You have a whole big thing going over here between advertisers and Campaign Contributions and all of the crooked stuff that you have going thank you. Youre welcome. Dont worry about my eggs being cold. Dont worry, they dont feel guilty. This is the press. They have no guilt about my eggs being his eggs are cold now so he should be allowed to it his breakfast. Then ill say its terrible. Exactly. Its my fault. Ill have an orange juice. The press feels guilty. They see my eggs are dying, nobody said please, mr. Trump, have your breakfast. Go ahead, please. I dont need it. Good morning, its monday april 4, welcome to morning joe. With us on set we have managing editor of Bloomberg Politics john heilemann. Msnbc political analyst and professor at the university of Michigan School of public policy, former democratic congressman harold ford, jr. And in washington, republican pollster and columnist in at the Washington Examiner Kristin Soltis anderson. A lot going on. His eggs got really cold, huh . I guess they did. There goes the media again making his eggs cold. He could have just eaten them. Writing a lot of stories about how that means that adolf hitler and mussolini also complained about cold eggs and what does this mean. You do have a good piece in the Washington Post about that. Whats the problem with with that analogy . Very legitimate that stalin also before he killed 30 to 40 million in russia cold eggs. Also complained about cold eggs. Begin with the eggs. This is a sign to come the press will tell you. Especially conservatives. You know what, donald trump in a diner, though, thats a rare site. It shows hes taking wisconsin seriously. Usually he doesnt step off that rope line. He knows hes got a real threat with ted cruz. So were one day away from the votes being counted in wisconsin. The latest polls there show ted cruz with the advantage ahead of donald trump in the cbs yougov poll. John kasich is at 18 . In a Loras College poll, cruz leads by seven point, 38 to trumps 31 , kasich back at 18 . Wisconsin could be a pivotal state for the Cruz Campaign which is trying to argue he can expand into new geographic and demographic areas but trump wasnt giving up any ground, holding rallies throughout the state while cruz barnstormed alongside top surrogates former
candidates carly fiorina, Governor Scott walker and u. S. Senator mike lee of utah, a change from his past Campaign Surrogates like glenn beck and the star of duck dynasty phil robertson. Weve got rick perry and Lindsey Graham and jeb bush and carly fiorina. [ cheers and applause ] and wisconsins own Governor Scott walker. Now, you throw into that mix senator mike lee and mark levin [ cheers and applause ] and youve got the entirety of the ideological spectrum of the Republican Party. Thats what were seeing is were seeing unity. Unity, harold ford . Begrudging unity. Like a lot of those people who are endorsing him, i dont know why theyre doing it, because they really dont want to and they have said that. Well, Lindsey Graham compared him to poison. And jeb bush, it breaks my heart he would do that. Makes me sick to my stomach. The whole thing is sad. No, really. Joe, how much is it lets get to the convention, lets try to stop trump and if we use him as the vessel well pick somebody else. Is that all of it. Explain. Well, i thinks a lot of those people, as mika suggests, are not really theyre miserable. But they think strted cruz i the only viable vehicle to get trump to 1237 then get to cleveland and figure it out. The shift in ted cruz becoming the establishment, the media darling, is remarkable. It wasnt that long ago a few months ago he was the wild one, he was the winger, he was often in right field. Now everyone is rallying behind him in a strange way. You had even those north dakota delegates, theyre unbound delegates but a lot of them who supported ted cruz saying publicly im not really for ted cruz, im just against donald
trump. My next question is when do they have to announce, if this republican establish system doing this, when do they say were for x candidate, were for b candidate . Do they walk away from ted cruz . Do they well, hes got to get 85 , 90 of the remaining delegates to get 1237. Hes never going to do that. Ted . When it becomes clear it will be an open convention, i mean. Right after the first ballot. Man, listen, if either one of these guys, the first two guys, dont get 1237, pack up, go home. But trump still could, right . Trump could, yeah. But if hes at 1236, pack up and go home. Youre saying he should pack up and go home . Im saying ted cruz, the republican establishment can say whatever they want but if they dont get 1237, the party is going to find somebody ems. So, joe, what do you think
the margin is trump has to shore up, can he shore up with 200 delegates . 150 . 25 . Whats the number where his supporters say, look, if you dont give it to him this is going to be i think he gets 1237 or nothing and i think the same thing with ted cruz. I really do. I think the Republican Party would love to have a war against donald trump and theyd prefer it and basically say you know, theyre saying such horrific things about donald Trump Supporters now that its not like theyre going to say oh, well we better keep them on our side. No, theyve declared war. Called them racists. A lot of people who have been considered americas top conservative thinkers have said you cant even be a christian, a real christian if you support donald trump so i mean what else are they going to theyre not going to be worried about it. If trump doesnt get the number theyll say weve got rules for
a reason, go home. The perfect encapsulation of the entire phenomenon is scott walker who a week before he endorsed ted cruz said publicly he thought there would be a contested convention, he thought that would be fine and that he thought that if there was a contested convention the likely ultimate nominee would be someone not running now. Then a week later endorses ted cruz. So thats sort of the transparent that ice about as transparent as you can be. He said a bunch of things about how he was for cruz but a week earlier he had been saying his real goal was a contested convention. So everyone assumes people like scott walker want paul ryan to be the nominee. Jeb bush lets out a statement at maybe 4 38 in the morning in portuguese so [ laughter ] so even harder to figure out what hes saying and he never says again that hes supporting ted cruz. They cant bring themselves to do. It can you imagine . I cannot. What you say may be true about the convention, but if thats true, whats the point of having primaries and caucuses and all this voting and these guys going through this process of winning votes and having people on their side . Why not just have a Convention Every Year and pick a president. Thats how they used to do it. Theyll say we have rules for a reason. Kristin, lets bring you in. Dont you get a feeling that a lot of the republican establishment would far to lose with somebody else than win with donald trump and if he doesnt reach the threshold that is clearly stated in the rules theyll say were throwing this convention wide open. I think if donald trump doesnt have 1237 youll see a big argument from the cruz camp that this is anybodys game but i think anybody is really in the cruz camps mind going to be defined as ted cruz or donald trump. That even there have been movement over the last week end to say well, maybe john kasich, we shouldnt be changing this rule 40 threshold that says you have to have a majority of
delegates in eight states to move forward. I am much more skeptical than you all that its going to be somebody besides donald trump or ted cruz. I think ted cruz has put in place a strategy to collect as many delegates as possible. Hes doing well in wisconsin. You saw what happened in north dakota where he was able to get enough votes for his own slate over the state partys preferred slate and collect almost all of the delegates there. Were going to be moving into states like pennsylvania next where even though donald trump is up in the poll, most of the delegates that will come out of pennsylvania are not legally obligated or bound in any particular way so right now i think it would be funny to see what it must be like to be one of these uncommitted unpledged delegates. How many phone calls they must be getting from the cruz camp, from the trump camp and possibly from the kasich camp. But i think if the party doesnt pick either trump or cruz there is going to be a real potential for massive backlash. Its one thing to say he didnt get a majority trump didnt get a majority, lets open the
convention. Its another thing to say lets bring in somebody who failed to perform up to standards in the primaries and install them as the nominee. I think there would be big backlash. Amidst all that, you write in the Washington Post the damage thats being done that points to what kristen was talking about. There is a lot of damage being done to the party. There is. I gave some quotes you have to read it, you wont believe. I gave quotes out there by top conservative writers saying that i did a double take. That donald trump is the father furor that these single these white men without fathers have been waiting to come to come their way for a very long time and talk about their drug dependency and family anarchy and say they love donald trump speeches, they also love oxycontin. Well, who doesnt . Well, i just wouldnt i wouldnt admit it first of all on the air. But secondly the attacks have over the past couple of weeks
especially just become withering. Its turned on the people. As i wrote in the article but i saw Jonah Goldberg wrote, too, stop looking at the lewandowski fields clip like its the zapruder film frame by frame by frame by frame. The obsession is absolutely outrageous. Well, look, i think its a mistake for any party to go to war with its voters. Thats a recipe for suicide and i think theres a obviously a huge risk and the tricky thing for the party is to figure out a way look, what the party fears, right, is that with trump as the nominee he will not just lose the presidency but the party will lose massively across the board, will lose the senate and the house and have huge downticket ramification so i think their notion on trying to
get an alternative candidate not in the field right now to be the come knee, even if they think theyre almost consigned to the motion theyll lose in the fall at the president ial level but their thought is lets try to save the congress, lets try to save the house and senate. Im not advocating that. Im saying i think thats the theory. I understand that. But you know, willie, these same voters are going to be the ones helping decide who will win the house. Right. These same voters are the voters that helped elect Tea Party Candidates in 14, who helped elect Tea Party Candidates in 10. Who helped elect george w. Bush in 2000 and 2004 and you can keep going back. Just because theyre now supporting a candidate that everybody finds offensive and as i said, my first three candidates gone, they did not survive the early stages of trumpism. I still think jeb bush would have been one of the best president s weve had in a very long time. But the thing is, there is another battle after this one
and the viciousness thats being focused upon Trump Supporters i mean, i my brother has been a life long baptist, a committed christian. Unlike me, hes not a terrible person, hes not a backslider, he is a committed christian. And he is being told by people that he reads and respects that you cant be a christian if you support donald trump. Real christians cant support donald trump. Nicolle wallaces parents are supporting donald trump. And yet other very established republican writers are explaining the phenomenon away as somebody whos looking for a hitlerlike figure. This is not on fringe publications. And im not saying these peoples names because theyre
friends of mine and its but this isnt the fringe part of the republican establishment. They are insulting my brother, nicolles parents, and millions and millions of Successful Americans who are not sitting at home like with needles, discarded needles around their house. Its funny you make that reference, i read that piece that you referenced in your Washington Post column that suggested that it was the drug problem that it was heroin and prescription pills that was leading these people go and vote. The problems in their lives were brought on by drugs and going to vote for donald trump which i thought was quite a leap to make. But i think the point of your piece is the point thats been around for a year now which is that people who criticize the trump voters dont understand the trump voters. They want to go after donald trump and who he is rather than understand why those people are supporting donald trump so theyre reaching for things like hitler and heroin and Everything Else when its because they dont have jobs and white supremacist. They dont have jobs, theyre frustrated by trade, theyre frustrate bade lot of things. So the more productive thing to do would be to understand why theyre supporting donald trump and sway them to your side rathhr than attacking them as drug addicts and hitler lovers. I mean, you look, harreold ford, at george w. Bushs trade policies, you look at the clintons trade policies, Barack Obamas trade policies, its pretty much the same. There is no alternative. And whether youre talking about trade or whether youre talkings about taxes for the rich or whether youre talking about whatever, the fact is that neither the republicans nor the democrats have spoken to people who make less than 50,000 a year. Those tax breaks that doesnt touch their lives. By the way, this is something conservatives were saying in the postmortem in 2013, weve got to figure out how to reach those people. Look, the love that the country seems to have had and the appetite the country seems to have had over the last decade or so sending young kids who war who may not have had a lot of
opportunity, weve pulled from the same pool of people to trade, taxes, theres no doubt bernie and trump are dealing with that. But we have to acknowledge as worried as i am, i think you dont attack your own party, you dont attack your own voters but there have been so many things said at these rallies that people have been unnerved by. Not at the rally but when mr. Trump could not immediately denounce the kkk, the violence at the rallies, most recently some of the more serious conversations around Foreign Policy when he was urging asian nations to perhaps develop nuclear weapons. I think that also helps predicate some of the anger and perhaps some of the unexplained talk about attacking supporters from some of these mainstream columnist ins and so forth. But at the end of the day, you dont attack supporters, you dont attack people in your own party, you figure out how to bring them around. But i am confounded somewhat and puzzled somewhat by how some in the Republican Party are able to continue to embrace a guy that makes the offensive comments hes made about women and racial minorities, especially at time
that it doesnt seem you never did that, i never did that. We may have disagreed on the things but that was not the basis of the disagreement so i once this criticism is coming from but i dont think its productive in the long run to help win supporters back to the party. We have major headlines on the democratic side which well get to and other stories making headline this is morning. Two people were killed, at least 35eers injured after an amtrak train struck a piece of Construction Equipment near philadelphia yesterday. According to amtrak, the train was traveling from new york to savannah, georgia, with 341 passengers and seven crew on board when it collided with a backhoe. New york senator Chuck Schumer said in a News Conference the two People Killed were the backhoe operator and a supervisor. Both amtrak employees. It wasnt immediately clear why the backhoe was on the tracks. Well follow that. Turning overseas now to greece, which has begun deporting migrants and refugees on boats bound for turkey. The operation started at dawn
with 131 migrants boarding two passenger boats on the greek island of lesbos. Those boats arrived in turkey early this morning. The move comes as part of a new deal reached by the European Union to reduce the number of displaced people flowing into europe. And finally, the uphill climb for president Obamas Supreme Court nominee just got steeper this weekend. Two republican senators, jerry moran of kansas and Lisa Murkowski of alaska revoked their support for confirmation hearings for judge Merrick Garland saying they oppose his nomination and see no need for the process to continue. Just hold the hearing. Seriously . Just hold the hearing. Vote no. Be man enough or woman enough to look a guy into the eye how do you say you want to hold a hearing and then come back and say you dont want to hold a hearing . I actually respected jerry
moran when he was saying that hed actually give him a listen. Could they have played into president obamas hands any better throughout this . No. Oh, no, they couldnt. Theres vomit all over themselves. Just a mess. Justice scalia is dead. Were not providing hearings. Like the second after he died they found his body and they were putting out politicized statements. No. Keep doing that. Trump will get 1237. From the very beginning they could not have had it worse. Keep doing it. Do you need me to tell you this . I feel bad for you, actually, it shouldnt have to come from all of us. Do they not know this, harold . Its going to be great. I dont get it. Make America Great again. John heilemann, when will they ever learn . When will they ever learn . Theyre vomiting all over themselves. It just points to dysfunction. And the notion that whats crazy is that the republican establishment, which is so concerned about the fact that donald trump will be the
nominee, is destined to lose and destroy the party, is now betting on the notion that theyre going to somehow get a better Supreme Court nominee than Merrick Garland. Because if Hillary Clinton wins the presidency, Merrick Garland theyll be lucky if they get Merrick Garland. They could easily get a further nominee much further to the left than he is. The guy is 63 years old. A lot of people expected the president to choose someone younger who judge garland may live 30, 40 more years. I couldnt agree more. I dont understand how frankly, even liberal democrat arent pleased with this guy. Why dont you get a prototype that fits the mold better. Why dont rush it through . Im puzzled. You dont have to rush it through. Youre the party of no. Hold the hearings and vote against him. Or look at the tea leaves. Show theres fair play there. Its not a partisan thing right now just to say do your jobs. Do your jobs still ahead on morning
joe, former republican president ial candidate dr. Ben carson joins us. Plus, the two reporters behind the Washington Posts revealing interview with donald trump, bob costa and bob woodward brings new details to their story. It now appears clinton and sanders have agreed before the New York Primary. On separate days because Hillary Clinton wants to make sure he doesnt have a big rally and that nobody sees the debate. That will be interesting. What does she want . She wants it like in the morning tomorrow or during the ncaa or during a rally that he has a permit for where hell have like 80,000 people and make her look really bad so shes proposing all these dates that would lock has she yes. Only on impossible times. Did she propose the ncaa . Yes. You knew it that was the first proposal. Its not a joke. I believe they were proposing to have the debate on new york 1 on the night of the why do they think shes so bad. Nbc has offered a slot on a sunday night and Bernie Sanders is on board but shes not. Why do her people think shes such a bad debater that they have to hide her . I dont understand that. I think shes a very good debater. Im not afraid of the debate. Im not a part of negotiation but id love to see a prime time duel. I think shes a good debater. I dont know why theyre trying to hider. Theres a bible verse that says dont hide the light under a bushel. The bottom line is they dont want to debate . Bill . Bill, let your light shine, my friend. You guys got some snow in connecticut this weekend. And its snowing this morning, too. The winds were the story. These affected areas in the midatlantic up to the northeast. This house in maryland didnt we fare so well. A huge oak just crushed it. We saw a couple things like this across the area. A couple people in a vehicle struck by a tree, too. So this morning were dealing with the last round of snow and its snowing across a good chunk of upstate new york and connecticut and massachusetts. Thankfully, its been an
underachiever. The buffalo area was supposed to get hit by six to seven inches. Youre done now. This is the additional snowfall to whats already on the ground. Notice that from new york city south wards nothing is expected. You may see flakes but it will be too warm. The ground is too warm. So if youre driving on the mass pike, the northway, across from syracuse, the new york state throughway, that will get slushy, thats about it. This is at 7 00 a. M. , by the time we get to the noon hour the snow is from the Hudson Valley across massachusetts, much of connecticut is starts to warm up, then by 5 00 p. M. As everyone comes home the worst of it will be around boston, that will be the heavier snow. Everybody else will be done and tomorrow no problems. The rest of the country looks good from texas to florida no problems and still chilly great lakes to the northeast. It doesnt warm up significantly probably till the end of next weekend. So it will be a cold stretch here. Washington, d. C. , you are 70 degrees today. About 40 degrees warmer than boston. Enjoy it. Tomorrow will be much cooler more morning joe when we come back. Headache . Motrin helps you be an unstoppable, letsrockthisconcert likeits1999 kind of mom. When pain tries to stop you, theres motrin. Motrin works fast to stop pain where it starts. Make it happen with motrin liquid gels. Whewhat does it look like . Ss, is it becoming a better professor by being a more adventurous student . Is it one day giving your daughter the opportunity she deserves . Is it finally witnessing all the artistic wonders of the Natural World . Whatever your definition of success is, helping you pursue it, is ours. Tiaa. John kasich should not be aloued to run. Honestly, kasich should not be allowed to run. Ill go opposite on you, he hurts trump more than he hurts trump. Under what ground. Under the grounds that rand paul could have stayed in. He had nothing. Marco rubio could have stayed in, jeb bush could have stayed in, they all could have stayed in. They could have just stayed in. Thats all hes doing. Hes 1 for 29. Kasich shouldnt be allowed to continue and the afternornc sho allow them to continue. A new report from msnbcs ari melber finds both the trump and Cruz Campaigns are seeking to block john kasich from being on the ballot at the Republican National convention for failing to win in multiple states, signaling that the top two candidates anticipate a floor fight. Well get to that in just a moment but first as attention is fixed on the vote in wisconsin, ted cruz and donald trump battled in delegate contests, playing out on the state level in north dakota and tennessee. North dakota republicans chose 25 unbound delegates to this summers republican convention
at their state Gop Convention yesterday, 18 of which the Cruz Campaign identified as preferred choices, though they are not required to support him. Cruz even made a perm appearance before the convention. While trump sent ben carson as is a surrogate, meeting with delegates in private. North dakota came as the Trump Campaign protested saturdays result in tennessee with 14 atlarge delegates appointed on saturday. Trump won the state primary by 14 points, along with seven at large delegates pledged to vote for him on the first and second ballots at the National Convention but Trumps Campaign said only two are truly Trump Delegates and five are pretend delegates who would vote for the establishment after the second ballot. Is this getting complicated . The tennessee gops executive director responded if ive got a campaign fretting about that, its campaign that may understand its not going to be the nominee. So lets explain this. Lets bring in msnbc chief Legal Correspondent ari melber, chief White House Correspondent for politico mike allen and in Washington Attorney and republican strategist ben ginsberg ari, first youll tell us your reporting on this. I can break for you this morning that aides to ted cruz and donald trump are not arguing that john kasich should not be on the ballot at all at the republican convention. Thats obviously big because it could affect who wins the nomination and its big now for the reason that you just showed. Donald trump basically saying enough already, you clearly are mathematically eliminated. Thats the real grounds for him not running and those votes should go elsewhere. I also, of course, spoke to the kasich side of this. They are upset, that they this would be unfair. They say they think they will prevail and get up on the ballot. It picks up on the conversation you were having earlier in the break. Theres nothing automatic, nobody is entitled to be on the ballot. Theres a precedent from past rules that would basically if applies right now put only likely donald trump and ted cruz
on that ballot and for folks who think you have a long floor fight and you want to add other people, thats not automatic, you have to have a mechanism to do it. If you use the old rules it would take delegate majorities in eight states so theyre saying kasich hasnt won those right now so this is a battle that both matters not just to Convention Junkies but republicans who want to say is this a threeman race . Is this a on twoman race, a three plus magic ponies like mitt romney . All of these things will be bound by the rules which are decided by a rules committee and the floor delegates and the ted cruz operation, i spoke to people there, has a strong organized effort to affect that and trump folks say they can back that up to block kasich. So its a big development. Ben ginsberg, whos right here . Well, the delegates are going to be right. Look, you may be able to block john kasich from being on the first ballot an the convention but as aris reporting showed, that doesnt mean you can block him from being on the second ballot because on the second ballot nearly three quarters of the delegates become unbound and
they can sign nominating petitions for whoever they want to at that point. So it will be a mess. Mike allen, lets we all agree this convention is going to be wide open if donald trump doesnt get to 1237 and its in ins game. Why would john kasich get out. As long as he has the money and he can stay in this, on what ground would he leave . Well, we checked around this morning and it looks like cruz and trump are going to be successful at least on the first ballot. There are the votes on the rules committee to keep that threshold those eight states that ari reported on, theres no reason for kasich to get out. People talked to john weaver, his senior strategist know theres no chance hes going to. This weekend hes on the cover of barone barrons as the remember being the best for the market and them telling their
readingship to check out kasich. Theres a standing rnc rules committee that has a population and a Convention Rules committee will put the final ruhles package together. Those people havent been select yet. Point number two is donald trump has a democracyoriented argument here. His argument is he went through all 50 states, everybody got their turn, that process winnowed the field and now we have perhaps maybe a photo finish between two people and if you have a photo finish between two people, the argument is the convention is there to break that tie. The argue system the convention according to both trump aides and cruz aides i spoke to, the argument is the convention isnt there to just start over. So kristen, im wondering, everyones talking about if trump doesnt get to 1237, almost wishfully. Is it a big possibility that he wont . At this point there are a lot of states remaining where the delegates are not going to be awarded winner take all and that had been favoring donald trump
because hed been ahead in a lot of these winner take all states wed already seen. Florida was a big prize of delegates, arizona was a big prize of delegates for him. Now in wisconsin even if donald trump doesnt win statewide, there will be individual Congressional Districts for someone like john kasich to pick up votes. In a place like california youll have the same number of delegates coming from Maxine Waters Congressional District as you will from the reddest Congressional District in that state. So even if donald trump is way ahead, ted cruz has had the staff work in place, hes had the team focused on making this a floor fight for months and donald trump is playing catchup and finding out the hard way in places like tennessee and north dakota that it really pays to know everything you need to about the rules way in advance so that you can prepare and not be caught blindsided. Real quick, mike. Far reason i think he is going to fall short and, joe, as you said at the top of the show, they look to someone else, magic pony territory as you say. Wow. And politico is reporting this morning that it looks like
that other person is to be paul ryan. The republicans tell us that you get to a contested convention, probably 60 chance of that, 90 chance its paul ryan and hes running smart, hes running like he got speaker, hes saying he doesnt want it, thats the only way to get this job. Ben ginsberg, stay with us if you can. Ari and mike, thank you very much. Coming up on morning joe she has proposed three dates, we have proposed four dates. She has a difficult schedule, ive got a difficult schedule. Hes proposed sunday evening april 17, are you in . Im not negotiating, chuck. Weve proposed thursday the 14th which gives people more time to digest what happens in the debate. Is he in . Its no longer if Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders debate before the New York Primary its now when. Were going to bring in Kristen Welker covering the Clinton Campaign to break down these
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working for secretary clinton for more than two decades. When youre on the campaign trail, as i am, you see her everyday by secretary clintons side. She is one of her closest advisors. Shes been referred to as her second daughter. You will recall in those emails, the troves of emails the state department released, a lot of exchanges between houma abedin and secretary clinton, she said she doesnt want to read any of them, shes mortified by what might be in those emails so she is someone who could potentially be interviewed as part of this fbi investigation and shes one of the people advising secretary clinton so youd have to imagine that they have a lot of questions for her in terms of how this was set up. Kristen, we need your help explaining the debate dance. Whats going on right now . Ill try my best, willie. Let me lay the ground work. This is the latest backandforth between secretary clinton and senator sanders over debates. Less than an hour later, nbc news posted this article saying clinton had agreed to an april 15 debate on Good Morning America. Citing this exchange with george sf stephanopoulos. Are you and Bernie Sanders going to debate in new york . Im hoping to. We offered date which is they refused. Gma offered a debate during gma on friday the 15th. Ill be there. I think its a great opportunity to reach an audience that may not always be able because of other obligations. I understand theres a debate in the works for the night of the 14th, i will be there. I want a debate. She says shell be there on april 14. Shell wait a minute, she wants to do a debate with George Stephanopoulos as the moderator . That was one of the proposed ideas. That was one of the proposed ideas. Didnt he work for her . Yes. And there was some speculation this weekend is that one of the reasons why the sanders
campaign said absolutely not. Didnt he donate to the Clinton Foundation . Yes, he did. Im curious, are you kidding me . No, im serious. Ive talked into to Sanders Campaign and i asked to what extent it factored into their desire not to have a debate in that format. They said its not a concern. For them its about ratings. They want the biggest ratings. They think thats on a sunday night with the debate that nbc proposed. So is that debate nbc, is that confirmed . No. Its not confirmed. They have not decided on a final date. Part of this is the Sanders Campaign saying, look, you might be the democratic frontrunner but you cant call all the shots. I have a lot of momentum and i get to have a say here. Jonathan capehart, help me understand or tell me if im going down the wrong path here. It appears the Clinton Campaign wants to do either a debate that no one will see or a debate with a moderator that might not be
completely fair toward Bernie Sanders . I mean, what do you think of the concept of a gma debate with George Stephanopoulos . I think a debate on Good Morning America fits into the first part of your question which is a debate that no one will see. I mean, as kristen says, senator sanders wants the biggest audience possible. What about the second part of my question . Well, let me get to the first part first. Youre not going to get that with a sunday night debate and youre not going to get that with a morning debate on morning television. Thats why senator sanders is pushing for a debate when he can get the most eyeballs possible. As for the second part about George Stephanopoulos, im not going to get i mean, yes, its been out there, hes donated to the Clinton Foundation and yes he worked for president clinton back in the early 90s but im not going to get into georges credibility or his motivations. I think the problem well wait. I think the problem secretary clinton has and for her campaign
is what i dont understand is why wouldnt they want to have a debate when youve got the biggest audience possible . Wherever shes been on the ropes and shes gone into a debate, she has always done well. Debates are her best format. And so why she wouldnt beyond why she wouldnt do it. Why she would dont a debate when a lot of people can see her, especially leading up to a primary very important like the New York Primary is a bit mystifying to me. Mika, part of this is that they both had things on their calendars already so theyre working on previous schedules and theyre also digging in. One of the take aways here is that this fight is getting really nasty and youre seeing that more and more on the campaign trail and seeing senator sanders getting under secretary clintons skin. In terms of the ratings issue, clinton people would say, hey, there are big ratings on gma as well. So whats the argument here . But i think it speaks to a larger point is that these two candidates are ramping up their rhetoric and this heated fight. Am i overstating the concern about trying to choose a moderator on gma that worked for the clintons . Any campaign would try to choose the best i think in all fairness to george, george has been a pretty impartial guy as hes gone about his work. Yeah, but if im debating against you, im not going to let you have our chief of staff moderate our debate from the house days and you wouldnt let my chief of staff. It was her husbands communications director. Abc has to make that decision. But the bigger question started off at the beginning of the morning why wouldnt she want the debate . I think she wants the debate. I dont think theres any doubt campaigns try to figure out whats in their best advantage. I think that gma audience im a today fan. Thank you. Hear hear. Im a willie geist fan. So id like to see willie with a microphone. But there are big crowds on these shows and if its sunday night, there will be big crowds. But im a clinton supporter. She will do just fine against Bernie Sanders. Im not worried. I dont want that impression throughout to anybody walking. I think to your point theres stuff they have planned and this race has gotten tight and theres no doubt theres tension between these two and can pains that did not exist. It was not as obvious as it was. Id love to hear your impression. Was 12 weeks ago was it this bad . Eight weeks ago as bad as it was not . Well, remember, clinton had been pivoting to the general election. She was talking about donald trump. Shed almost stopped talking about Bernie Sanders. But in wisconsin hes leading and catching up to her in new york. She had 20point lead, thats down to 12 points so thats when you saw her redirect her sights toward Bernie Sanders and youre seeing this heating rhetoric. I was at an event with her in which there were Bernie Sanders protesters and she got very
frustrated in a way that a lot of us havent seen. I think she had hoped to have put this race away by now and she hasnt. Kristen welker, Jonathan Capehart, thank you very much. Good to have you on. Coming up, the Washington Posts bob woodward and robert costa join with us their new reporting on donald trump. Is that the meeting . Well have that straight ahead. When you think about success, what does it look like . Is it becoming a better professor by being a more adventurous student . Is it one day giving your daughter
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beards. Everything is coming together. They stopped with the beards like three years ago but they won the world series. Maybe they should start growing them out. Kristen, before you go, what are you looking at these days . Its all about the delegate count. What im looking for in wisconsin is how many delegates does ted cruz walk away with . Even if he wins the state, he has to win the Congressional Districts that,s where john kasich can pick up a few as well. Coming up at the top of the hour, the Washington Posts Eugene Robinson and elise jordan join the discussion. Plus were weak on the world stage. Were not doing things that make sense economically. And hes probably the person whos most likely to do that. Are there better people . Probably. Were going to ask dr. Ben carson about life as a trump surroga surrogate. Morning joes coming right back. Did he just say that . Woman its been a journey to get where i am. And i didnt get here alone. There were people who listened along the way. People who gave me options. Kept me on track. And through it all, my retirement never got left behind. So today, im prepared for anything we may want tomorrow to be. Every someday needs a plan. Lets talk about your old 401 k today. My school could be bad. Ing fast. Could be a blast. Cant find a single thing to wear. Will they be looking at my hair . Wont be the same without you bro. When its go, the new Choice Privileges gets you there faster. And now, stay two times and you can earn a free night. Book now at choicehotels. Com i built my business with passion. But i keep it growing by making. Thats why i have the spark cash card from capital one. I earn unlimited 2 cash back on everything i buy for my studio. And that unlimited 2 cash back from spark means thousands of dollars each year going back into my business. Thats huge for my bottom line. Whats in your wallet . Only those who dare drive the world forward. Introducing the firstever cadillac ct6. Nobodys hurt, but there will you totastill be pain. New car. It comes when your Insurance Company says theyll only pay three quarters of what it takes to replace i what are you supposed to do . Drive three quarters of a car . Now if you had Liberty Mutual new car replacement, youd get your whole car back. I guess they dont want you driving around on three wheels. Smart. With Liberty Mutual new car replacement, well replace the full value of your car. See Car Insurance in a whole new light. Liberty mutual insurance. Within with us we have managing editor of Bloomberg Politics john heilemann, elise jordan, and in washington, attorney and republican strategist ben ginsberg and Pulitzer Prize winning columnist in and associate editor of the Washington Post and msnbc political analyst Eugene Robinson. Good to have you all on board this hour along with willie, joe, and me one day away from wisconsin. And of course the predictions have begun, willie, that this is
Donald Trumps waterloo. That this is where it all ends . Its all ending, because hes had such a horrific couple of weeks. They knew this day was coming. But this is i will give the Mainstream Media and trumps critics on the right, give them credit. This is the first time, the first time they have pulled that blade out of their side. First time theyre going to use this weapon against trump, predicting that the end is here. I think we all agree can we queue up Barbra Streisand the way we were tomorrow night . Because it will be the end. Scattered pictures. That will be the end. I think we all agree and even you agree it has been a terrible couple weeks for donald trump. You couldnt imagine a worse couple weeks. Ever, ever. Terrible. The reason it could matter is if he really wants to get to
1237 hes going to win every delegate he can so losing wisconsin could be the reason he doesnt get there. But if you look down the road two weeks from now in the state of new york, hes up by 30 points. We didnt put up these polls last hour. Its been a horrible week. The worst week of his campaign, its dumbfounding how he keeps stepping on himself day after day and it seems to keep getting worse. But those that suggest that wisconsin is the end of history, you have to look forward to new york state which comes after and you also have to look forward to pennsylvania which comes after. New york hes up 30, end of the month we get to pennsylvania hes up 18. Those margins could shrink. The point is he may very well lose tomorrow night to ted cruz and survive it. Now, again, it makes it harder to get to 1237 and youve said this morning that if he doesnt get there it may be somebody else other than donald trump or ted cruz. So he wants to hit that threshold. He sent sarah palin to wisconsin. Yeah, it was she wasnt as well received as they would have hoped. Im not sure i would have done that. It was word salad. It was crazy. Were you there . What happened . Tell us about it. Tell us about it. Can you queue it up. You have to play it first. Halfway through your speech did you ask if you stumbled into bad acid . The question was who had been given the bad acid. So you thought it appeared she was not fully if the opposite of dissociative is associative she was not fully associative. Lets say it was not a fully coherent speech. So maybe were wrong. Maybe we should listen again and maybe we shouldnt be so condescending because this could be the most articulate moment of the campaign. Ladies and gentlemen, winston churchill, 1940. Illegal immigrants, welcoming them in, inducing and seducing them with gift baskets. Come on over the border and heres a gift basket of teddy bears and soccer balls. Our kids and our grand kids,
theyll never know, then, what it is to be rewarded for that entrepreneurial spirit that god creates within us in order to work and produce and strive and thrive and really be alive. Wisconsin, reagan saved the hog. Here. Your harleydavidson. That was reagan who saved that. And the establishment, maybe theyll start a new hashtag movement, neverreagan. They dont like that. Was that more white rabbit or lucy in the sky with diamonds . I like to think it was more lucy in the sky with diamonds. Did the audience maybe im missing something, maybe they loved it. I dont want to judge. I didnt hear anything. What is that . Well, it was an event you could hear a pin drop. Do you want to know what the event was . I want to know what she was trying to communicate. I have no idea. Did anybody get it . It would be fair to say the audience was not fully
enthralled. Was she there to promote donald trump for president . She was. Did she ever say that . She did. Okay. She did. Did they go whoo . No, there was a lot of eating of potato chips and people shaking their heads and yawning and laughing throughout. I would say the audience was received that speech in the way you would have imagined a smart group of wisconsinites would have received the speech. Which is like that was horrible and i dont know what happened. As i said, there was a lot of eating of potato chips, rolling of eyes, laughing, distracted looks around the room. So youre saying that may not have helped his cause in the badger state . Both john kasich and ted cruz were very warmly received. She was not quite adds warmly received . So after that opening speech when she first endorsed donald trump and he looked pretty pained in that famous twoshot, the conventional wisdom was that was going to be one of her final appearances with the campaign
yet here she is again. Do they view her as a valuable surrogate . She were going to have her come out with him and then todd had that that snow machine accident. People were assuming she would come out at some point. She did this event on friday night and spent all day saturday with him. She did a series of events all day saturday. He obviously right now is confronting the fact he has a problem with women voters. So she is the most high profile female and surrogate for the Trump Campaign, i believe. And so theres some logic to it. Today melania is campaigning for him in wisconsin, too. That will be better. So thats hes bringing out the women. Thats where i think joe might disagree with me but i think, trump, the women problem has just sunk in and the narrative isnt going away and thats why hes such a damaged candidate. Its massive. This last week drove this thing in. Cruz was he pivoted very sharply. Hes been
wait, hold on. Thats funny. Ted cruz . Yes, hes been doing a series of events in wisconsin with his mother and wife and carly fiorina. Do they want to be there . They seem like theyre very happy to be there. So gene robinson, theres no doubt theres a huge problem with women. Maureen dowd underlined it yesterday that even before last weeks nearly catastrophic week for donald trump when it comes to reaching out to the women vote it was bad but i dont know if the answer to that problem is sarah palin. It seems to me the only positive out of sarah palin is she makes donald trump look like a very disciplined speaker. Absolutely she makes him look s sane, she makes him look disciplined, she makes him look calm and reflective. That was worse than a train wreck that palin appearance. I dont even know how to describe that. I dont know what she was
trying to say or why she was there. She didnt give people much of an indication. But does that in the final analysis matter to where we are in the campaign . I would argue that it probably doesnt. You know, going into wisconsin, donald trump could come away with zero delegates and hed still be way ahead and hes not going away, hes looking forward to friendly states so i do believe that once again all the you know, this time hes fooj finally gone too far, i think thats overdone to say that at a minimum. And potentially its just wrong again. So well see. Were going to move on. Does anyone who goes to that sarah palin wall rah sarah palin rally walk away going im voting for trump . I think he lost votes. He walks away from that and goes im going to vote for that guy, i just learned something new. All you can do is base it on the reaction of the room. There was a fish fry of 1500 people. Both kasich and cruz were warmly received and she was not so i dont know whats going on in their minds but she did not seem to sway a lot of people in the room. After a difficult week handling questions on abortions and nuclear arms, donald trump continued to open up this weekend. Nbcs katy tur learned a trump ally advised him to lay low and be patient for the news cycle to pass but despite that advice, trump kept up with a spate of interviews, one with maureen dowd of the New York Times where he admitted tweeted unann unflattering photo of heidi cruz was a mistake, one with bob costa where he said the u. S. Is headed for a National Recession and trump gave three interviews that aired yesterday including one with cbs that led to another clarification on his abortion stance. The laws are set now on abortion and thats the way
theyre going to remain until theyre changed. Because you said you wanted you told bloomberg in january you believed abortion should be banned at some point in pregnancy. Where would you do the ban . Well, i would have like to see this be a states rights i would have preferred states rights. I think it would have been better if it were up to the states but right now the laws are set and thats the way the laws are. Do you have a feeling they should change . There a lot of laws youve talked about changing. Everything from libel to torture . At this moment we have to leave it that way. Trumps campaign issued a statement saying so that lack of discipline people are pointing to, there are certain things said in the past that everyone felt were so damaging that actually i think
played into the feelings of primary voters. I think these may be different because you lose voters when you say things that impact womens lives directly in perhaps what they would feel a negative way. Well, i think the choice of words in that first interview with Chris Matthews, punish, i think women heard that loud and clear that they were to be punished for their choices whereas the man who is involved nothing trump said in the interview, the man is irrelevant, no punishment for him. I think women heard that and i think it was the confluence of damaging events, just the drum beat of antiwomen and im sorry, im a young republican woman and i do not want trump to be president just because i feel he is so antiwomen. And thats you know, ive lived through the 2012 cycle, it wasnt exactly republican men saying sweet things about women but this is far, far worse than anything ive ever seen. I think he is one of the most damaging men in public life when it comes to how he talks about
women. Elise is not alone in her concerns. Stan greenberg, the well known democratic pollster was quoted in a New York Times speech yesterday and he said according to his poll right now donald trump is down 23 points to Hillary Clinton in a hypothetical among women. 23 points. The biggest spread in the last 36 years since 1980 in a general election was bob dole losing to bill clinton among women by 11 points. So that women problem could be fatal for donald trump. It could be massive. And i want to follow up with this report that everybody close to him and he suggested in this interview with maureen dowd, everybody is wanting him to be more president ial. Everyone wants him to be more restrained, Everyone Wants him to stop doing 20 interviews a day. And become much more disciplined with his message. Does he have that in him . If he doesnt hes going to keep doing worse and worse. Theres a i think its true of all candidates that you
get late into the cycle and you see this in every president ial election, late in the cycle, the months of campaigning start to wear on people. Theyre tired in general and in order to not make mistakes they need to be more cautious. He should do less. And you need to do less. So if youre on television constantly, you have some understanding of this. If youre on television constantly day after day month after month youll make mistakes and trump has made many mistakes over the course of this campaign. Theyre starting to pile up and now theyre at least on the subject of women they can have significant electoral consequences that may not be fixable. Yeah, and, again, you get on tv and youre exhausted. Right. Thats when the mistakes pile up. I think hes addicted to the drug of tv on some level and thats what he keeps coming over. He cant stop. That is the question. Is he addicted to it . Can he stop . Can he start putting out press releases everyday and policy statements everyday that will
help him in the polls, held him with the republican establishment and make him look president ial or is he addicted to being on tv like crack . You made the point last week around the abortion comments that he was un that when Chris Matthews asked him those questions he seemed unprepared. So if you combine exhaustion with pervasiveness, with lack of preparation, you could end up in a bad place fast. And by the way, you have you dont politics, you say i dont want to answer that hypothetical question and they just keep coming. You keep saying im not going to answer your hypothetical question. But he feels like he has to take every interview and answer every question and hes ill equipped to do that and we saw that in a big way last week. Ben ginsberg, from your observation, these mistakes trump has made, they seem to be
accelerating. One of his most undisciplined weeks over the past week. Does this make it more likely that when we get to cleveland that the Republican Party will be less likely to turn their party over to him if, lets say, hes even 100 delegates short . Well, i think the point is hes got a lot of time in the calendar. Whats interesting is these series of mistakes this all candidates made in a Campaign Came in the spring break period whether they are no other intervening electoral events to break the momentum. Now theres one on tuesday and it depends on how he does from now on in on what the delegates are going to be feeling like when they get to cleveland. There is time to correct the problems but the correction is probably a lot of substantive speeches and a lot of substantive interviews which is not exactly whats happened in the past weeks which i think his
campaign recognizes. Willie, there is a there is still believe it or not bens right, a long way to go if he could discipline himself. Im not saying hes going to become the candidate of women, but he certainly could erase a 23point deficit. You say he should put out policy statements, the only statement he is puts out now are the ones we saw from hope hicks which is sort of correcting something he said in an interview that day and another one elaborating on that statement. Stop giving interviews. Barack obama gave, what they guy rarely gave interviews in 2008. He controlled his message. He squeezed every word. He never gave the media anything. He didnt want the media to get. I dont know if donald trump is capable of not being on tv. On the democratic side, a cbs yougov poll showing Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders neck in neck in the state of wisconsin. Senator sanders out front by two points, thats within the margin
of error but that comes as a Loras College poll out of wisconsin shows clinton ahead by six points. Joining us from milwaukee, senior White House Correspondent chris jansing. Chris spent the weekend covering the candidates on the trial. Chris, how is it shaking out in wiscons wisconsin . The democrats are fired up here. I was at a big dinner saturday night. They cant wait to see what happens on tuesday. But listen all politics are local, right . And its so interesting to see scott walker, the governor here, is in the middle of all of this. As popular as he is with the republican base, he is incredibly unpopular, loathed, in fact, by Many Democrats so there were times this weekend when Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders sounded like they were running against scott walker. It is terrible to see the damage Governor Walker and his allies in the legislature have done in just five years. They have cut hundreds of millions of dollars from wisconsins colleges and universities. Theyve rolled back financial aid. My opponent is counting on Governor Walker and the legislature to come up with 300 million in new funding for Higher Education up front. Thats ironic because thats how much Governor Walker wanted to cut last year. If the voter turnout is high, we will win. If the voteser turnout is low, we will likely lose. Its as simple as that. I hope very much that the people of wisconsin come out. I hope that they upset Governor Walker with a recordbreaking turnout. [ cheers and applause ] and i hope very much that this great state which has one of the most progressive traditions in
the United States of america comes out and says yes, we are Going Forward with a political revolution. Thank you all very much. [ cheers and applause ] of course, whats interesting is that walker is in the middle of the republican race as well because hes one of the leaders of these antitrump forces and a democrat told me if for some reason trump pulls out a victory here, it would be devastating to the Republican Party in wisconsin which has really coalesced against donald trump and he said that i would say somewhat gleefully. Theyre sort of characterizing this race as the biggest since kennedy beat humphrey. So a lot of energy on the ground. Well see what happens on tuesday. Looks like well be covering a tossup on the democratic side tomorrow night. Chris jansing in milwaukee. Thanks so much, chris. You get the feeling when you hear Bernie Sanders speak and the audience respond that hes not talking about you need to come out and vote for me, you
need to vote for yourselves and do something different. Its very hes got a strong message. It probably i guess ultimately the numbers are stacked against him, correct . Delegate wise, yes. Hes right about what he said about turnouts, though. Its always been about getting people to vote and in the early states they didnt come out in ways he hoped. What he does have going for him, hes a cause candidate. The state where he should do well where there is a cause. The interesting thing about last week, that race seems to be tightening. Usually what happens in the past is when sanders gets a chance to get to a state and is on the ground for a sustained period of time he moves votes. The Clinton Campaign acknowledges that. Last week Hillary Clinton left wisconsin for four or five days. Came back to new york. Sanders was there all week and yet that race seems to be tightening rather than sanders pulling away. So if Hillary Clinton falls shorts by a point or two there will be second guessing about whether she should have stayed there and done more in
wisconsin. I dont think you can overstate how devastating a sanders loss would be in that state. For sanders . Yeah. They have said now publicly multiple times that he cant be the democratic nominee if he doesnt win wisconsin. His people have said that multiple times. Its a hard road for him to be the nominee in any circumstances but if he loses in wisconsin, the air goes out of that balloon heading into new york and that makes it really pretty much close to impossible. Ben ginsberg, thank you very much. Elise jordan thank you as well. Gene, stay with us. Still ahead on morning joe, dr. Ben carson joins the discussion. Plus, one of the leading members of president obamas cabinet, commerce secretary penny pritzker. Also leave it to donald trump to make exceedingly unusual if not unprecedented remarks on the economy. Well talk to bob woodward and robert costa about their hutchdiscussed new interview with the republican frontrunner set up right here on morning joe. And Mark Halperin joins us for his take on tomorrows big election in wisconsin. Youre watching morning joe. Well be right back. With the tiger image, the saliva coming off and you got this turning. Thats why i need this kind of resolution and computing power. Being able to use a pen like this on the screen directly with the image, it just gives me a different relationship to it and i cant do that on my mac. This is brilliant for me. Whewhat does it look like . Ss, is it becoming a better professor by being a more adventurous student . Is it one day giving your daughter the opportunity she deserves . Is it finally witnessing all the artistic wonders of the Natural World . Whatever your definition of success is, helping you pursue it, is ours. Tiaa. This is not the way romney did it. This is an endorsement. Its a fullthroated massive wisconsinsized embrace. Kind of like you can argue coming together for him. You could say its his biggest win since iowa. Senator cruz, you just got the endorsement of scott walker. Its a great morning. What are you going to do next . Go visit with a bunch of wonderful people from wisconsin to celebrate. Its like simon and garfunkel reuniting. Both managing editors hello darkness, my old friend. Men behind show times the circus. And like simon and garfunkel, they loathe each other. We really do. They do hate each other. We feel that tension on the set. So we have another clip were looking for, the interview with sarah palin. I want you to be honest. And my grandma would say, just take the rag right off the churn here and just tell us take the rag off the what . Take the rag off the churn. My grandmother said that, too, by the way. Rags, churns . Tell us how bad and i mean it. How bad was sarah palin in Wisconsin Friday night . Was its one of the worst political speeches youve ever seen on the National Stage . The speech wasnt all that bad. It was the combination, the crowd was kind of a party loyal crowd, scott walkers candidate was there, ted cruz, and john kasich was there and did pretty well. And palin, she was the surrogate for trump and i was standing in the front of the room where she was looking at the audience and it was disjointed but ive never seen in my entire career a crowd react that way to a pretty long speech. They were laughing at her, they were rolling their eyes, they
were looking at their phones, looking at the recorders and shrugging as if to say what is this aboot . And it went on and on and i think the trump people put her in a bad position because you send a surrogate when the other people are sending candidates and you send a surrogate that the party doesnt like right now. But lets talk about the performance, too. Mark is being too generous about the speech. The speech was horrible. You guys are not telling me the truth. The speech was disjointed. Beyond disjointed. Was it one of the worst speeches youve seen in your life . It was not one of the worst speeches. I would say it was a typical sarah palin speech these days. It was look, weve seen a lot of speeches. The audience reaction, was it one of the worst speeches ive ever seen . But the audience reaction was the worst ive seen. But it was incoherent. It was incoherent. But its hard. You take a surrogate who sports an aunt establishment candidate, send her into a party dinner of people who like scott walker and, you know, palin and palins candidate donald trump amongst the crazy inexplicable things hes done is you tell Wisconsin Republicans scott walker is doing a bad job when the guy is an 80 Approval Rating with republicans. So i dont mean this rhetorical rhetorically. What is the value of having sarah palin on the campaign trail . She still has plenty of admirers, what does she do for that campaign as a sur zbhrogat . Well, shes got appeal to conservative women and trumps problem is with women. So what did she say that would help he doesnt have another prominent female surrogate at a National Level that i know of. Apart from his family, if you were trying to figure out how to solve the problem with women, who did you put out if you didnt have another significant female surrogate. Shes had a following in wisconsin. One of the first events she did after she lost the Vice President ial race was go to wisconsin and speak to a right to life dinner and she got things have changed a great deal in eight years. Gene robinson it seem this is event was yet another inexplicable decision made by the Trump Campaign over a two week run that seems to keep getting worse. You have to blame this on the campaign, not necessarily on trump himself. You could separate all the mistakes into those that are trumps fault and those that are the campaigns fault. So it sound like i wasnt asked but it sounds like an unmitigated disaster. She made absolutely no sense but she couldnt have swayed that crowd had she been seneca
delivering a theres no way she could have brought over i think a wisconsin Orthodox Party crowd to the trump side. Did she cost him vote there is . Im not sure she did, frankly. I think she probably probably had no impact, zero support in that room and had zero support when she left. Willie, seneca is pretty damn good. Also seneca, little known fact, alex just told me, the first actually to mutter the words drill, baby drill. Thats right. Totally different context, though. Different kind of drilling. It was, it was. I dont know. Okay. Mark, stay with us. Eugene robinson, thank you very much. Eugene should stay if he can. Coming up, president ial candidate turned donald trump supporter dr. Ben carson joins the conversation. Thats next on morning joe. Jake reese, day to feel alive jake reese, day to feel alive jake reese, day to feel alive
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joining us from west palm beach, florida, former republican president ial candidate dr. Ben carson. Hes now supporting donald trump. Good to have you on board, sir, this morning. Thank you. Good to be with you. So your endorsement of donald trump, it sounds a little tepid. Are you 100 behind your candidate or might there be other candidates out there somewhere . No, i believe that he is the best candidate to solve the
problem facing our nation right now. We have these incredible fiscal issues which threaten the financial viability of our nation and then we have threats from isis and terrorist groups and i think we need somebody who understands those and who is not going to react to them in a politically correct way. Do you think he is fully briefed and fully knowledgeable about Foreign Policy . I think hes as knowledgeable adds most of the other people. But one of the things that has to be understood is that when it comes to complex Foreign Policy, youre going to have experts in those areas. I dont care how much time he spends, for instance, reading about russian history, hes not going to be an expert on russia, nor is senator cruz, nor is senator Bernie Sanders. None of them are going to be. You have to be able to utilize the right kinds of people. Dr. Carson, to mikas point,
though, yesterday, you were asked about mr. Trump and you said are there better people . Probably which piggybacks on other things youve said. Youve said if hes a bad president it will only be for four years, its not so bad. So if this Convention Opens up the way many people think it may and there are other options on the table, would you be willing to reconsider your support for donald trump . Well, you know, i tend to be a plain spoken honest person which is great for you guys in the media because you can say carson said this, carson said that, this is what he really meant. But a basically what im saying is that of the people who are running i believe he is the best one to be able to resolve the issues. Now if we end up with a contested convention and things work out in a frernt way and it seems fair then of course youre going to support whoever the nominee is but again things must
be open, they must be fair and they must be apparent. If they are fair and open, donald trump doesnt meet that threshold of delegates and we have a contested convention. Lets say paul ryan, for example, were available, you could see yourself jumping from donald trump to another candidate like ryan . I would not be enthusiastic about whoever it was if it wasnt one of the people who spent all this time, all this effort, all of this resource in order to get there and then we toss them out. Because basically what thats saying is the people dont mean anythi anything. So youre saying ultimately it would have to be donald trump or ted cruz or are you you also saying hey, it could be jeb bush, he went through the process, it could be rubio, he went through the process. Or ben carson. Or ben carson. Well, if its not senator cruz or mr. Trump i think we
have major problems brewing. Youre going to create so much friction and, of course, that will be a wonderful thing for the democrats, no question about it. They would love that, be dancing in the streets. But it would be a disaster for the republicans . Wouldnt that be a time to stick with your candidate and hold things together. Is. I dont think i have said anything that indicates i am not sticking with him. I thought you just did say that, sir. No, i think that may be your interpretation but i said if things didnt work out and it was done in a fair and apparent way. Those are the key words, fair and apparent for people to simply say oh, we dont like you, were going to go with somebody else. I dont think thats fair. Not after someone else has gone through that effort. Mark, dr. Carson, what
evidence could you point to that would suggest current polls not withstanding that donald trump would be a strong general election candidate against Hillary Clinton . Well, hes brought in millions of voters who normally wouldnt be there and people from the middle and even testimony from from the democratic side and these people are enthusiastic voters if he becomes the nominee, a lot of the ones who are not supporting him now will recognize that he is the candidate and he is going to be a lot better than somebody who has a completely different philosophy. You must recognize were talking about a major divide here. People who feel that america has its original purpose of being a place where people can live and let live according to their wishes versus an america where the government is involved in your life from the birth until
death and they pretty much dictate who you are and what you do. Thats a big difference. Dr. Carson, good morning, harold ford, mr. Trump asked your advice on whom he might choose as a running mate. What advice should you give him . We have not discussed that issue. Do you have a choice . And the advice i would generally give is choose somebody who can be for extraordinarily helpful to you. In many cases the Vice President has been sort of a figure head or has been somebody who may be able to bring this state or group of people. But i think the job has gotten so complex that you do yourself a great favor by picking someone who can take on some major issues and really make a difference. Dr. Ben carson, thank you for being on the show this morning. Thank you so much, we appreciate it. Still ahead this morning, well go live to wisconsin where
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relegation. What are you looking forward to . Im looking forward to the deaf fission of relegation. I was able to parlay my coaching skbre career into on camera work. I was doing football rebecca lo pleasure of working alongside arlow white. Whoever has the most points at the end of the season they are the champions, the bottom three teams are relegated. Say champions again. Champions. That was jason is a dak can i say getting pumped up for the premiere league. With us now soccer analyst and men in blazers Roger Bennett. Why dont we have the sex pistols playing right now . The man with the velvety voice, play by play announcer arlow white. Roger, unbelievable royalty in lester as well. Sorry, arlow. He was the al michaels of
lester. To american audiences explain the inexplicable that is happening right now in the epl. Its i cant explain t its a miracle that lester city this time last year poised to be relegated this time six games before the end of the season this would be as if the pawtucket red sox, im dead serious here, were elevated from aaa into the major lesion and one year later won the world series. To put into your terms mika, its as surreal as if i told you wendy dang would be dating vladimir putin. You tell me that could never happen. That could never happen. Thats how surreal and crazy do we have any highlights . We have a couple highlights of the season. We will hit the big game of the weekend, lets look at liverpool. Oh, my god. Second trying to keep that total challenge going, desperate for a win but it was liverpool who would strike first in the 51st minute, saved by the bells
a. C. Slater. Phillip catinio. They would equalize so englands harry kay. This is madness. What a goal by kaine. All the venom of Chris Christie attacking a box of chocolate m and ms. Stop that. They are desperate for a winner but denied. I had a couple of great sayings down the stretch. Wow. Lester city a chance the next day to see if they could stretch their gorgeous lead at the top. They played over South Hampton. This was the only goal of the game. Its wes morgan, the miracle continues, it is a waking dream for the people of lester, they are now with six games to go they just need 12 more points. Arlow, its amazing and we
are in april. I woke up this morning thinking we are in april, lester is going to do this. It gets more ridiculous by the week. People are waiting for the wheels to fall off this thing and it just isnt happening. They win every week. As far as spurs try to close the gap, they drop points down field so lesters lead is increased. You look at how unbelievable this is for the people of lester, top of the premiere league, it was the owners birthday of the weekend, he did for the crowd a free beer and doughnut for everybody. Life has never been this food in lester. They went to the morning joe formula. Get your free doughnut. Its like a stadium so can you also explain when i really started getting into soccer football 10, 11 years ago the only downside was there were four teams and you always knew the same four teams were going to finish in the top four and go play europe mann team changed
that, five and a half. Something like this just never happens. To understand it fully because before lester city english football was predetermined by economics, it was a game ruled by sheikhs, by American Sports it was mann u, arsenal, chelsea, liverpool. This team has rewritten the sport. Its like watching sea biscuit win every race by dawning a pair of cleats. It is hard to understand how this has happened, unlike march madness where you have to have a run of six games, great luck, great performances clicking at the same time this is a marathon not a sprint. Who you do you understand it . Its unexplicable in many ways. The money you spend usually adheres to the points that you accrue at the end of the season and there is just no correlation to this at all, lester starting 11 and they pick the same 11 week in, week out, costs about 30 million, Manchester City is 450, 500 million. Five of the seven most expensive
players that lester got never played. What . Its ludicrous. This is a team that came up together through the championship, they stuck together, one or two players have been added for very little money, its a perfect moment, perfect synergy. Off theel field the managers are terrific, the owners are terrific. Putting it in perspective that payroll is less than liverpool played for andy carol. Is this a flukey season or are we watching the beginning of a lester dynasty, roger . Every time i tune into them i do feel its like watching moses part the waters on both sides, its like watching a biblical miracle. I have never seen this before. In three years morris will be playing for barcelona they are going to get picked apart. We saw South Hampton have a pretty good run, surprised people, this he got picked apart. The money is too big. They are all going to be picking this team apart, willie, its
going to be the owners will get very rich, wont be too good for 12yearold fans who are lester fans. It will be a great book out of it, money ball part 2. Roger bennett, where have you been . Weve missed you. Thank you so much. Hard to believe, mika. Seriously. Youve made my day. No, because really i would say i im trying to decide, do i understand sarah palin or Roger Bennett . You understand Roger Bennett. I think its Roger Bennett. Ive been running the campaign. Do you have a liverpool insult for me before you leave . I feel your pain. I feel your pain. Red sox season, you have that to keep you happy for the next couple days. Oh, dear. We will see you on men in blazers at 10 00 eastern time. Ooirl white thank you as well. Before heading back to the u. K. To call the remainder of the seasons top matches arlow will host premiere league live on Nbc Sports Network at 7 00 7 00 a. M. Eastern on saturday and 7 30 a. M. Eastern on sunday so
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going. Thank you. All of dont worry about my eggs being cold. Dont worry. They dont feel guilty. This is the press. They have no guilt about my eggs being his eggs are cold now so then i will say your food is terrible. Exactly. I will have an orange juice. Sure. Dont feel guilty. They see my eggs they see my eggs are dying, nobody said, oh, please, mr. Trump, please have your breakfast. Go ahead, please. I dont need it. I dont need it. Good morning. Its monday, april 4th. Welcome to morning joe. With us on sket we have managing editor of Bloomberg Politics john heilemann, msnbc political analyst former democratic congressman harold ford jr. And Kristen Soltis anderson. A lot going on. His eggs got really cold, had u. . Whats that . His eggs got really told. There goes the media again,
making his eggs cold. He could have just eaten them. Were going to analyze that and a write a lot of stories about how that means that Adolph Hitler and muse leany also complained about cold eggs. Well, they did. And what does this mean . Exactly. Very legitimate, very legitimate, that stallen also before he killed 30 to 40 million cold eggs. Also complained about cold eggs. This is a sign to come the press will tell you. Were your eggs cold . Theyre getting cold, my man. Pipe down. Donald trump in a diner, though, thats a rare sight. It shows you hes taking wisconsin seriously. Thats true. Usually he doesnt step off that stage, off that rope line, he knows he has a real threat with ted cruz. Were just one day away from the votes being counted in wisconsin. The latest polls there show ted cruz with the advantage ahead of donald trump in the cbs u goff poll 343 to 37 , john kasich i
at 18 . In another poll cruz leads by 7 points, 38 to trumps 31 . Wisconsin could be a pivotal state for the gop campaign. Trump wasnt giving up any Ground Holding rallies throughout the state this weekend, this while cruz barn stormed alongside former candidates carly fiorina, Governor Scott walker and u. S. Senator mike lee of utah, a change from his past Campaign Surrogates like glenn beck and the star of duck dynasty phil robertson. Weve got rick perry and Lindsey Graham and jeb bush and carly fiorina, and wisconsins own Governor Scott walker. Now, you throw into that mix
senator mike lee and mark levin, and youve got the entirety of the ideological spectrum of the Republican Party. Thats what were seeing is were seeing unity. Unity, harold ford. Begrudging unity. A lot of those people who are endorsing him, i dont know why theyre doing it because they really dont want to and they have said that. Lindsay compared to to taking poison. Jeb bush, it breaks my heart that he would do that. Kind of makes me sick to my stomach. All things sad. No, really. Joe, how much of it is lets get to the convention, try to stop trump, with he use him as the vessel, pick someone else and get to the convention, him being cruz. All of it. Explain. A lot of those people as mika suggests are not really particularly like ted cruz. They are miserable. They think that ted cruz is the only viable vehicle to stopping trump, keeping trump from 1,237, get to cleveland and
figure it out. Ew. The shift and ted cruz becoming the establishment, the media darling, all those things is remarkable. It wasnt is that long ago, a few months ago, he was the wild one, he was the winger, he was often in right field and now he is the guy that everyone is rallying behind in this strange way. You had those north dakota delegates yesterday who were theyre unbound delegates but a lot of them supported ted cruz even saying publicly im not really for ted cruz im just against donald trump. My next question is when do they have to announce if this republican establishment is doing this when do they have to say were for x candidate and we bay be for b candidate or y candidate other than ted cruz. Do they walk away from him . Do they begin to telegraph that there is another candidate for the presidency that they are not thats not in the race or maybe someone in the race, i dont know. Hes got to get 85, 90 of the remaining delegates to get 1,237, hes never going to do that. Ted. Ted cruz. But when it becomes clear its going to be an open convention is what i mean. Right after the first ballot. Listen, if either one of these guys, the first two guys dont get 1,237 pack up, go home. The Republican Trump still could, right . Trump could, yeah, but if he is at 1,236 pack up, go home. Youre saying he should pack up and go home. Im saying ted cruz the republican establishment can say whatever they want but if they dont get 1,237 the party is going to find someone else. What do you think the margin trump can show up with, 200 delegates, 125, whats the number his supporters say if you dont give it to him i think he gets 1,237 or nothing and the same thing with ted cruz. I really do. I think the Republican Party would love to have a war against donald trump and theyd prefer it and basically say, you know, i mean, theyre saying such horrific things about donald Trump Supporters now. Oh. Its not like theyre going to say, oh, well, we better keep them on our side. No, theyve declared war. Yeah. Called them racists, a lot of people have been considered americas top conservative conservative thinkers have said you cant even be a christian, a real christian if you support donald trump. So, i mean, what else are they theyre not going to be worried about it. If trump doesnt get the number they will say we have rules for a reason, why home. And its the same thing with ted cruz. If you think about the perfect encapsulation of the entire phenomenon is scott walker who a week before he endorsed ted cruz said publicly that he thought there would be a contested convention, he thought that would be fine and that he thought that if there was a contested convention the likely nominee would be someone who is not running now and then a week later endorses ted cruz. Thats about as transparent and you can be. He said a bunch of things about how he was for cruz, but a week earlier he had been saying that
his real goal was was a contested convention. Everyone assumes people like scott walker want paul ryan to be the nominee and the game being played right now. Jeb bush lets out a statement that maybe 4 38 in the morning its in portuguese so its like even harder to figure out what hes saying and he never says, again, that hes supporting ted cruz. They cant bring themselves to do it. Can you imagine . No. No, i cannot. What you say may well be true about the convention but if that is the true what is the point of having primaries and caucuses and these campaigns and all this voting and these guys going through this process of winning votes and having people on their side, why not just having a Convention Every Year and pick a president. They used to do it. They will say we have rules for a reason, christian, lets bring you in, they will say, will they not dont you get a feeling that a lot of the republican establishment would far prefer to lose with somebody else than win with donald trump . And if he doesnt reach the threshold that is clearly stated
in the rules, theyll say were throwing this convention wide open. I think if donald trump does not have 1,237 youre going to see a big argument, particularly coming from the cruz camp, that this is this is anybodys game, but i think anybody is really in the cruz camps mind going defined as ted cruz or donald trump. Even there have been movements over the last weekend to say maybe john kasich, we shouldnt be changing this rule 40 threshold that says you have to have a majority of delegates in eight states to move forward. I am much more skeptical than you all that its going to be somebody besides donald trump or ted cruz. I think ted cruz really has put in place a strategy to collect as many delegates as possible, hes doing well in wisconsin, you saw what happened in north dakota where he was able to get enough votes for his own slate over the state partys preferred slate and collect almost all of the delegates there. Were going to be moving into states like pennsylvania next where even though donald trump is up in the polls, most of the delegates that will come out of
pennsylvania are not legally obligated or bound in any particular way. So right now i think it would be kind of actually funny to see what it must be like to be one of these uncommitted unpledged delegates, how many phone calls they must be getting from the cruz camp, trump camp and possibly kasich camp. If the party does not pick either trump or cruz there is going to be a real potential for massive backlash. Its one thing to say he didnt trump didnt get a majority lets open the convention, its another thing to say lets bring in somebody who failed to perform up to standards in the primaries and install them as the nominee. I think that would be big backlash. Amidst all this, joe, you write in the Washington Post about the damage thats being done, even as the manhattan billionaire is enduring his most dreadful period of the campaign attacks against trump have reached new heights with commentators focusing their withering criticism on supporters, ignoring the fact that enema of those same voters helped make ronald reagan
president , Newt Gingrich speaker of the house and marco rubio a u. S. Senator but now these voters formerly called Common Sense Conservatives are considered drug add ld losers who are too stupid to determine what is in their best interest. The left wings whats the matter with kansas is now the gop establishments what the hell is up with upstate new york and you go on to write, the conservative movement, the Republican Party and our Constitutional Republic will survive Donald Trumps candidacy, maybe its best to hold off on the political purges for now and believe like reagan that our best days just may lie ahead. There is a lot of damage being done within the party. To the party. There is and i gave some quotes talking about how oh, my board, you have to read it. You wont believe. I gave some quotes out there by some top conservative writers saying that i did a double take. That donald trump is the,
quote, father fuhrer, these white men without fathers have been waiting to come to seek their way for a very long time and talk about their drug dependency and family anarchy and say they love donald trump speeches, they also love oxycontin. Who doesnt . Well, i just wouldnt i wouldnt admit it, first of all, on the air, but secondly the attacks have over the past couple couple of weeks especially just become withering. Its turned on the people. As i wrote the article but i also said joan in a goldberg wrote, too, scott looking at the lewandowski fields clip like its the zabruder film frame by frame by frame by frame. The obsession is absolutely outrageous. I think its a mistake for any party to go to war with its voters. Its like a recipe for suicide and i think theres theres obviously a huge risk and the tricky thing for the party is to try to figure out a way what the party fears is that with trump as the nominee he will not just lose the presidency but the party will lose massively across the board, will lose the senate, will lose the house, will have huge down ticket ramifications. I think their theory on the notion of trying to get somebody else to be those who want there to be an alternative candidate who is not in the field right now to be the nominee eventually, theyre almost con signed to the notion that they will lose in the fall at the president ial level, but their thought is lets try to save the congress, lets try to save the house and save the senate. Im not advocating, im just saying i think thats the theory. I understand that, but, you know, willie, these same voters are going to be the ones helping decide who is going to win the house. Right. These same voters are the voters that helped elect Tea Party Candidates in 14, who helped elect tea party
candidates in 10, who helped elect george w. Bush in 2,000 and 2004 and you could keep going back. Just because theyre now supporting a candidate that everybody finds offensive and as i said, my first three candidates, gone, they did not survive the early stages of trumpism. I still think jeb bush would have been one of the best president s we have had in a very long time, but the thing is there is another battle after this one and the viciousness thats being focused upon Trump Supporters i mean, my brother has been a lifelong baptist, a committed christian, unlike me he is not a terrible person, he is not a back slider, he is a committed christian, and he is being told by people that he reads and respects that you cant be a christian if you support donald trump. Real christians cant support donald trump. Nicolle wallaces parents are supporting donald trump, and yet other very established republican writers are explaining the phenomenon away as somebody who is looking for a hitlerlike figure. These are not fringe publications and im not saying these peoples names because theyre friends of mine and its but this isnt the fringe part of the republican establishment. They are insulting my brother, nicol nicolles parents and millions and millions of Successful Americans who are not sitting at home like with needles, discarded needles around their house. Its funny you make that reference, i read that piece that you referenced in your Washington Post column that suggested that it was the drug problem, it was heroin and prescription pills that was leading these people to go and vote the problems in their
lives were brought on by drugs and they were going to vote for donald trump which i thought was quite a leap to make. I think the point of your piece is the point thats been around for a year now which is people that criticize the donald trump voters dont understand the donald trump voters. They want to go after donald trump and who he is rather than trying to understand why those people are supporting donald trump so theyre reaching for things like hitler and heroin and Everything Else and its because they dont have jobs, theyre frustrated by trade and frustrated by a lot of things. The more productive thing to do would be why theyre supporting donald trump and sway them to your side rather than portray them as hitler lovers. You look at george w. Bushs trade policies, the clintons tried policies, Barack Obamas trade policies, its pretty much the same. There is no alternative. Whether youre talking about trade or whether youre talking about taxes for the rich or whether youre talking about whatever, the fact is that neither the republicans nor the
democrats have spoken to people who make less than 50,000 a year. Those tax breaks, that doesnt touch their lives. By the way, this is something that conservatives were saying in the postmortem in 2013, weve got to figure out how to reach those people. Look, the love that the country seems to have had and the appetite the country seems to have had over the last decade or so sending young kids to war who may not have had a lot of opportunity, weve pulled from the same pool of people, the trade, taxes, there is no doubt bernie and trump are dealing with that, but i think we hhve to acknowledge as worried as i am i think you dont attack your own party, you dont attack voters, but there have been so many things said at these rallies and things that people have been unnerved by, not at the rally but when mr. Trump could not immediately denounce the kkk, the violence at the rallies, most recently some of the more serious conversations around Foreign Policy when he was urging asia nation toss perhaps develop nuclear weapons. I think that also helps fred kate some of the anger and perhaps some of the unexplained talk about attacking supporters from some of these mainstream columnists and so forth, but at the end of the day you dont attack supporters or people in your own party you figure out how you can bring them around. Im puzzled by how some in the Republican Party are able to continue embrace a guy who makes the offensive comments he has made about women and racial minorities. You never did that is correct i never did that. We may have disagreed on things but that was not the bases of the disagreement. I understand why some of this criticism is coming from but i dont think its productive to help win supporters back to the party. Still ahead on morning joe the Washington Post bob woodward and robert costa are hear to talk about their revealing interview with the republican front runner. Plus, if its donald trump and Hillary Clinton in the general election trump thinks he could peel off some Bernie Sanders supporters to oppose
free trade. We will talk to u. S. Secretary of Commerce Penny pritzger. First here is bill karins. Still looks like winter in new england this morning, many schools were delayed, this is after snow over the weekend and then the willed windstorm, this house just got crushed in bethesda, maryland. We had a bigotry land on a car killing two people in massachusetts on sunday also. The big windstorm is over with, now we are looking at snow, areas of southern new england, connecticut, massachusetts and a little bit through the upstate. Not a lot more, but areas around boston could pick up another 2 to 4 inches along with hartford and areas from providence northward. More annoying than anything else. If we will have maker airport delays it will be throughout now until noon. After that we should clear it out new york, philly and d. C. The snow more in central new england, just plain old rain for your evening. The other story is warm conditions southern half of the country. Usually in april you get a cold shot, it lasts maybe a day, maybe two days, were looking at this cold air lasting in this region throughout much of this week. Early in the week the system exits the northeast, then this rain up in the northwest, heading to the middle of the country. This will be the next storm, not a lot of Severe Weather with that, thats great. The end of the week just a little bit of instability with some showers and maybe a little snow in the northern great lakes. Temperatures well above average for areas of the west to start this week, still cold in the east, and then by the end of this upcoming week we are frigid still throughout the areas of the great lakes to the northeast. It will be a struggle until probably the middle of april until we warm up up in the east. New york city we a id volunteered the snow for the most part just a cold cloudy dreary monday in the big apple. Youre watching morning joe. We will be right back. For your retirement, you want to celebrate the little things, because theyre big to you. And that is why you invest. The best returns arent just measured in dollars. Td ameritrade®. Body pain . Motrin helps you be an unstoppable, icantotallydothis allinonetrip kind of woman. When pain tries to stop you, theres motrin. Motrin works fast to stop pain where it starts. Make it happen with motrin liquid gels. Whewhat does it look like . Ss, is it becoming a better professor by being a more adventurous student . Is it one day giving your daughter the opportunity she deserves . Is it finally witnessing all the artistic wonders of the Natural World . Whatever your definition of success is,
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stayed in, thats all hes doing, hes 1 for 19. Kasich shouldnt be allowed to continue and the rnc shouldnt allow him to continue. Thats donald trump of course, but, mika, we are here back and its just down right uncomfortable. Why . You know, its kind of like let it be when you watch let it be and john and paul cant talk to each other. The game change boys hate each other. Thats all right because thats what they do, its part of their tension. Look, halperin not even looking at john. What do you think about donald trump saying kasich should drop out . Its interesting. Lets assume wisconsin goes to cruz and lets assume trump losings some support in new york but wins new york then the big question is the northeast. If trump performs as well in the northeast as hes currently polling hes going to get the majority probably and cruz winning wisconsin does not mean he will be a strong northeastern candidate. Can kasich as he has promised be
a strong northeastern candidate . I dont know. I think those two guys want him out not because they think hes irrelevant because because theyre worried he can get a lot of delegates in the northeast. One thing we can predict is that the media if donald trump loses wisconsin will treat it as have its v. E. Day and there will be streamers going off in times square. What are you doing . Im serious. Another prediction of the coming end of donald trump. Well, you know, theyve been waiting a long time. Theyve been making that prediction. If you have one prediction. It does look like he will lose wisconsin. I find it strange that donald trump does this i think this, he has done it with Hillary Clinton, too, where he talks about how they shouldnt be allowed to run. I get that he wants kasich out what does that even mean . He says the same thing about hillary, she shouldnt be allowed to run. Where are the referees that decide somebody is not allowed to run . What you want to say is i want
everybody to run, bring everybody in, ill whip them all. I agree that the press will overreact to a trump loss in wisconsin but he could end up with zero delegates. That would be a big loss. This is an open primary, important general election state, there is no reason why it should be particularly good for ted cruz. So . So its and its going to be possibly. Listen, im not saying its meaningless, all im saying is people are already saying if he loses wisconsin this could be the end of donald trump. Waterloo. Of course he has had the worst week of his entire campaign, but i remember watching the South Carolina debate going, now, that is the worst debate i have ever seen in my life by donald trump. Joining us from madison, wisconsin, nbc news correspondent Hallie Jackson has been following the Cruz Campaign. How important is it for the Cruz Campaign Going Forward to win wisconsin tomorrow and how does it look for them . Its important for a couple of reasons, mika. Number one, this is a different state than places that theyve won in the past. So the Cruz Campaign feels if they can point to a win here it sets them up for success in the northeast. Mark makes a good point that theres no guarantee that cruz will do well there, hes got to overperform in the northeast to show that he can be that candidate to move forward in the calendar and take those states. That said remember that wisconsin is an open primary, thats not typically somewhere where cruz would do well but he is polling by double digits ahead of donald trump here. Its a more moderate conservative. A campaign aid tells me the fact that they can bring together different demographics, different geographic areas is pivotal as they try to move forward. A couple other points. This is not important not only for ted cruz, could be one of his biggest wins in the last two wins but important for the stop Donald Trump Movement as a whole. This is a place where theyve put a lot of eggs in the basket, im told by a couple of strategists that they have ads that are being cut that are for rollout jond wisconsin. One tells me that Donald Trumps
base looks pretty solid right now, its not going to expand but its not going to shrink. That is consistent with what we see on the ground in wisconsin. We spend the day road tripping around the state, talking to folks, we spoke with one woman a republican conservative from a very conservative county and not necessarily a big trump place, she says shes uncomfortable talking about her support for donald trump because she feels as though she is judged for that but she says there is nothing that he could do that would change her mind. Keep in mind this is just within the last 24 hours we spoke after his comments about abortion, after his comments about the sort of war on wives that weve been talking about and a lot of discussion wiabout his issues wh women. Wisconsin is important for ted cruz, that said we could be talk about this for the next two weeks and new york will help and donald trump could romp there. They will see what happens. Hallie jackson, thank you very much. So lets bring in the two reporters whose interview with donald trump has been getting plenty of attention. This is from new haven,
connecticut, we have associate editor of the Washington Post bob woodward and on capitol hill msnbc political analyst bob costa. Bob woodward, i think part of this idea came from the set in washington on morning joe when we were talking about it and we were frustrated. You were frustrated. Did you get the answers that you were looking for when you had trump for an hour . Its interesting, you said that bob costa and i ought to talk to him because we were going on and on on your show and so we sent him some question areas and we sat down with him for well over an hour and a half, and this was if youve looked at the transcript, all kinds of new things. It was in many ways a mind dump, some of them quite extraordinary. I think we underplayed and
underemphasized trumps idea of putting out a list of 10 to 12 judges that he would then put on the Supreme Court if there was a vacancy. Bob, i thought that was fascinating bob, woodward. I did think that was actually my take away, that for a candidate to do that is fairly unprecedented and if you put out ten people it sounded like he had checked with the federalist society, heritage, yeah, youre exactly right, that was a big take away from that interview. Think about it, if he gets the nomination and trump is on the ballot with his Vice President ial running mate, which he told us is going to be a washington insider, effectively these judges are going to be on the ballot and trump said not only is he going to put out the list, but he is going to guarantee and promise that if he has as president Supreme Court nominations it will come
from this list. So absolutely unprecedented mindboggling. I think it shows his anxiety with the conservative establishment because he told us, he said, oh, theyre worried that trump might put the wrong judge there. Let me say its a republican that has watched republican candidates put the wrong judges in there for 30 years now, its actually, Mark Halperin, sounds like a pretty good idea for me. If its a good list. If its a good list of conservative judges. Bob costa, great interview, great piece and as bob woodward suggested you guys covered a lot of new ground. Im wondering why you think mr. Trump is doing all these long interviews, what purpose do you think its serving since they seem to create in the case of your piece and the New York Times piece as much controversy as they do to allay peoples fears about whether hes got the depth and right positions. Its a great question. I think trump really considers themself his own strategist and he sees the media, especially Cable Television and television at large, as the terrain in which he regularly fights his battles each and every day. But on a sublevel he often feels like he has wants to make sure he makes a case to the party and to his script iks about the depth of his ideas and his proposals. So he has been more accessible and open in than other candidates in some ways in having these long form interviews as he tries to reassure those long hes just running a day to day media fight that he does have som longer thoughts and longer form ideas. I want to ask everybody around the table and ask you two guys can you name a candidate in the middle of a Heated Campaign that has talked to the New York Times david sanger, i guess, talked to you guys for well over an hour, talk to the Washington Post Editorial Board for well
over an hour, talked to eileen dowd. I know president obama hasnt sat down with the Washington Post for seven years. I know hillary doesnt do this. Any precedent here . I dont know of one. Whats interesting here and i think so is important the instructions we have from our editor at the Washington Post marty barron is tell us as much as you can about these candidates and the theory of the case and i think its a really important one that when it gets to the november election no one can get up and say, oh, we didnt know who these people were. So were going to press on this and whats fascinating about trump and theres so much thats fascinating and which has alarmed with good cause lots of people is hes kind of spontaneous. So bob costa asked him about,
well, you have on your staff cory and hope hicks, the spokesperson and theyve signed these airtight binding nondisclosure agreements and trump said he would try to do the same thing in the federal government, which ive never heard of, i dont know that its legally possible. Wow. So then along those lines, bob costa and then bob woodward, the frustration that, bob woodward, you were expressing on the set during the whole when the whole concept of this interview came up is that you never get answers from him and you actually went around in circles when we let you take the stage for about 20 minutes with him to talk about the wall and you never got any answers. Did you get any answers that you bob costa, i will start with you. We have some reporting on that thats going to come later today, things weve discovered about trumps proposal on the wall so stay tuned on that front. I just want to say bob woodward
i know will not mention this but i thought the most fun part of the interview and interesting was the exchanges about the presidency because we have so much about the day to day campaign, but to hear bob talk about Richard Nixon and Abraham Lincoln with donald trump to get his thoughts on how he would actually be as president and he says hes going to have this aggressive trade agenda in his first 100 days, renegotiate military deals and trade deals and he makes this claim about the National Debt and getting rid of it in eight years. Many economists say is dubious, but he really believes at the core of his message that trade is the solution for nearly all of the u. S. s economic woes. Bob woodward. Also this was astonishing. Hes acting as a stock tip adviser and he literally said he believes its a terrible time to invest in the stock market and that looming is a very massive
recession. So were going to now see when the stock market opens whether people are listening to him on this because there was no ambiguity on this. He just said, this is the way it is. He knows wall street. And like no one and in fact he went on to say he doesnt need wall street. He almost sounded like Bernie Sanders for a moment. Oh, my goodness. Bob costa, youve been talking to donald trump off and on for months now, right . So just give me a since of the ways in which you think trump has and hasnt grown as a candidate over the arc of your experience in interviewing him. Ive been intervening trump about the campaign since january when he started to hire advisors. The key thing i would say to that is he has evolved in how he handles news and he handles headlines, i think he has become more adaptive to the constant flux of coverage, but he has not
changed in the sense that he constantly speaks from the gut and he does not really weigh the consequences in a political fashion. Its the same kind of trump shooting from the hip that i used to see back in january and february that we see right now regardless of the different stakes. And bob woodward, bob costa said that you spoke to him about past president s. Who did you think trump saw himself as . What type of president . Well, see, hes straddling here, he is not sure. One moment he will say, oh, yeah, im going to bow to the reality and get a Vice President ial running mate, somebody who is tied in to the washington establishment, and then he goes off on his own and on this key question which you know so well, joe, because we talked with him at length about this, that all successful politics is coalition building. You have to reach out. You have to embrace and bring in other people and hes back and forth on this. No, im going to do it my way, im not going to do it, oh, yeah, i need to start making calls and bringing people in. So i think the core of him and i think bob costa is exactly right, is hes going to do it his way, but he realizes and all kinds of people have piled on him and said, look, youve alienated just about everyone in the Republican Party and you want to be the nominee of that party, and so he hears that necessi necessity, but at least i dont have i have not seen or heard any bob costa knows better than anyone any example where hes really reached out. All right. Bob woodward and robert costa, thank you both. Fascinating. Coming up, Bernie Sanders tough talk on free trade worked in michigan and now he hopes the
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45 tariff on our trade with mexico, thats a lack of understanding as to how integrated our supply chain is and how many products we make together. And so i think you need to step back and think about trade and what why its important that we have access to markets. 95 of customers are outside the United States, the some of the Fastest Growing markets in the world are outside the United States, trade agreements allow our small and medium sized businesses to have access to those markets and it reduces not only tariffs, which are taxes on our products, but it also removes trade barriers, as well as elevating labor standards and Environmental Standards in other countries, which makes our American Worker and our American Products more competitive globally. Mark. What are the sectors in the economy now that you think are doing particularly well that you think could drive growth rates
higher . Construction is doing well, housing is doing well, Consumer Retail is doing well. So, you know and one of the things that, you know, is has happened over the last eight years coming off the Great Recession is weve really diversified their economy, which is a real asset for the United States. You will never have where every part of your economy is always growing. So having different strengths within our economy is really critical. And being able to export is an extraordinarily important you know, 11. 5 million americans jobs depend solely on exports. The three sectors you sighted, though, you cant export housing. There are some head winds on exports but you have to take the long view, this is not about year in and year out this is about the long view and recognizing frankly in the Asia Pacific Region that market is going from 500 million middle class to 3. 2 billion middle class in just the next 15 years. Our companies and their workers and their employees need to have access to those markets and thats what our trade agreements give us. The other thing to keep in mind is other countries are not standing still. Over 100 free trade agreements have been negotiated and put in place since 2000 in the asiapacific region, thats removing tariffs, removing barriers for other countries. We need a better level Playing Field for our own companies. I dont want to draw you too much into politics but talk about trade agreements i want to talk about tpp for a secretary. Secretary clinton said tpp was the Gold Standard for trade agreements and now she has come out and said she is against tpp. What changed forgetting about her position, did the agreement change in some substantive way between 2012 and 2016. I know it got negotiated in that period, but what would be the basis on which you would go from calling it the Gold Standard to
finding it not acceptable . I dont understand that conclusion because frankly having looked at this agreement, studied in agreement, i think it is the Gold Standard. It is the toughest trade agreement out there in the world. Can you pick holes in the agreement . Of course. Any negotiation theres a give and take. But frankly the idea that 12 countries have come together and said were going to lower tariffs, were going to raise labor standards, were going to make it you know, one of the Fastest Growing service export in the United States are our digital products, think of our leadership in the world. Tpp creates an absolute level Playing Field for American Companies around the world. But did it change at all over time . Of course its evolved, but it has evolved to be better not worse. So you agree with Hillary Clinton in 2012 . But not 2016 . I agree that it is an agreement that should be passed now. What do you think about
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