Who do you like better, obama or trump . [ cheers and applause ] i dislike obamas policies more. I see. But Donald Donald is a unique individual. [ laughter ] i will say i was watching the early part of the show and if i were in my car and getting ready to reverse and saw donald in the backup camera [ laughter ] im not confident which pedal id push. All right. Wow. Willie, ted cruz getting laughs there. I was going to say, when ted cruz becomes the darling of the comedy late night circuit and
media, thats something. You know things are getting better. He was good on that show, though. That was relaxed ted cruz, he was funny, very good on kimmel. Hes been human for about two days in a row. Has he really . Yeah, he said a couple of actually fairly warm moments for ted cruz. Really . Hes funny in general, though, you know in gaggles with the press and on the stump hes got a sense of humor. So when youre talking to him on the stump, when hes talking to you, does he say nick does he do the shakespearean stuff or just kind of talk . Just kind of talks and makes star trek jokes he. Hes a fun guy. Said no one who ever knew him. Good morning, its thursday, march 31. Mika in the south of france. But with us on set, veteran columnist in, vets ra veteras he . Legendary. Also writer for the New York TimesNick Confessore whos
been called in the wall street journal disingenuous . And maligned. I think they nailed you. Im a very nice person. Also former advisor to senator rand paul and now a contributor to Time Magazine and msnbc political analyst elise jordan. In madison, wisconsin, managing editor of Bloomberg Politics, Mark Halperin and in milwaukee, senior White House Correspondent chris jansing. I want to start, though, willie, i spoke to its like hes got a crystal ball, right . You remember are you old enough to remember romper room. Sure, oh, yeah. They look through that crystal ball and they say i see will lif willie. Of course. In politics, 2016, thats Mark Halperin. Yes. And i talked to mark two or three days ago and he was getting that crystal ball thing and he goes i feel a
separation. [ laughter ] between cruz and trump. I said the polls say 31 31 . He goes i feel a separation. It felt like ted cruz was gaining momentum. Boom. The marquette poll. A lot of people know halperin was the fill in host on romper room from 78 to 81. The mr. Green jeans scandal took him off Childrens Television forever. I didnt think we were going to get into that. The statute of limitations. Lets talk about this poll. The marquette poll has ted cruz vaulting into the lead up 21 points since last month at 40 . That gives him a 10point lead over donald trump. John kasich up 13 points to 21 . So Mark Halperin, donald trump was at 30 points percent right there a month ago in the same poll. Ted cruz was down at 19 points
so when all those other people got out of the race it looks like that support swung not to donald trump but to ted cruz. Well, look, this state is unusual for a lot of reasons in terms of trumps ability to replicate what hes done elsewhere and as i drove around the state in a buick with a ouija with board talking to folks it became pretty clear that ted cruz has organized in this state and that youve got members of the establishment, the talk Radio Community and others who see this as a stop trump movement. This is the norm, right . Trump has not had an existential moment on his march to dominance in the nomination fight. This is a state where they understand they play a unique role. Theyre voting by themselves on tuesday and i think youre seeing an effort here with advertising from outside groups, local talk radio, and an electorate thats not, in many ways, made for trump with a lot of suburban women, thats setting up to be a real test for
him, a real challenge as he continues to fight to win the state, sending a lot of time here. Mike barnicle, hes been hammered with horrific news. Well get to last nights event. But the day before that he spent the day defending Campaign Manager from battery charges. Hes got that. Hes got Corey Lewandowski doing what . Allegedly grabbing a woman, a reporter. We were talking yesterday about how exactly the Corey Lewandowski situation would play out and said in some republican primaries it would be trump being trump, defending his man no problem. But i think it was Steve Kornacki that talked about the problem with women, the gender its not a gender gap,
its going turn into a jengende canyon. So add on top of that the story were getting to in a minute and insurmountable may soon be too big of a toward describe this relationship. I think the narrative has been set that donald trump is a misogynist and i dont think he can escape it. Its become too entrenched. This news cycle to date has been so damaging over the course of the past week. We didnt even get into heidi cruz and the allegations of the five mistresses, completely unsubstantiated with ted cruz and then Corey Lewandowski and now women who get abortions should be punished. So hes just donald trump has gone pretty medieval and people women certainly dont like what they are hearing. How does medieval play in peoria, thats the question this morning, nick . Which peoria . On the wrong side of the tracks . But he could not have picked a worse way to end a four, five, sixday run on this battle with women. And especially in wisconsin. Look, i think wisconsin is the state that keeps hope alive for the establishment that wants to beat him. If he wins wisconsin its game over but if he can be stopped it keeps alive the prospect of beating him and its not a traditional purple state. It has a strong left and strong right wing. So i think its just dumb to have gone into it with this clumsy attempt i think to reach out to conservatives by taking what seems like a liberals caricature of a conservatives place on abortion thampl. Thats whats painful about it. Donald trump hasnt spent enough time with prolifers and is pandering to what they hate the most. This was ripped by not just
democrats but prolifers and conservatives. Donald trump walked into a storm of criticism after this exchange with Chris Matthews on abortion. You say abortion is a crime or abortion is murder you have to deal with it under the law. Should abortion be punished . Well, people in certain parts of the Republican Party and conservative republicans would say yes, they should be punished. How about you . I would say that its a very serious problem and its a problem that we have to decide on. Is but youre for banning it. Are you going to say put them in jail . Im asking you. Because you say you want to ban it. What does that mean . I am pro life, yes. How do you ban abortion . How do you do it . You go back to a position like they had where people will perhaps to go to illegal places. Yeah. But you have to ban it. But the church makes their moral judgments. You running for president of the United States will be chief executive of the United States. Do you believe in punishment for abortion . Yes or no, as a principle . The answer is that there has to be some form of punishment. For the woman . Yeah, there has to be some form. Ten cents . Ten years, what . That i dont know. Why not, you take positions on Everything Else. I do take positions on Everything Else. Its a complicated position. A fine, imprisonment for a young woman who finds herself pregnant . It will have to be determined and it hasnt been determined. Wahat about the guy who get hearse pregnant . Is she responsible for an abortion . It hasnt different feelings, different people. I would say no. Okay, were going to sift through that in just a second. But first some of the reaction to this that aired last night but it was shot in the afternoon. The clip went out and backlash was swift from all corners, including many president ial candidates. Should women who get abortions be punished . Of course not and donalds comments are the latest demonstration that he hasnt thought seriously about the problems facing this country that hes willing to say anything to try to get elected. Absolutely not. I do have exceptions for rape, insist, and life of the mother but of course women shouldnt be punished. I think donald trump will figure out a way to say he didnt say it or he was misquoted or whatever but i dont think so. What donald trump said today was outrageous and dangerous and, you know, im constantly just taken aback at the kinds of things that he advocates for. Maya angelou said when someone shows you who they are, believe them. He has showed us who he is. Women have the right to control their own bodies and they have the right to make those personal decisions themselves. But to punish a woman for having an abortion is beyond comprehension and i dont know what world this person lives in. Donald trump united both antiabortion rights advocates and abortion rights supporters. Groups like planned parenthood and march more life alike speaking out against trumps position. He did say he was going to
bring america together. He did. And he did in the this case. To give you a sample, march for life, which is against abortion said women who have chosen abortion need healing and compassion, not punishment. Shortly after donald trump made the comments, he issued a statement saying this two hours later he put out a second clarification saying its really great communicating when youre releasing statement after statement after statement to clarify what you said. Do you think he understands the pro life position . Not at all. I think hes trying to pander and doing it very poorly, as he
demonstrated yesterday. He doesnt know anything about any policy issue, from Foreign Affairs to anything domestic. Thats just what this campaign has established by this point. Well, you know, Mark Halperin, the fact is, for the first 60 years of his life donald trump is prochoice and he was very comfortable speaking about a womans right to choose when he was prochoice. I think what we have here is somebody that doesnt have the a all the angles of the prolife view point and, again, appears to have come to this decision late in life and some people would say that he is pandering to conservatives. But clearly doesnt understand what even prolife groups want. And im just wondering, you stack up everything that has happened over the past week, are
we as people who have always mocked the media for saying well, this time trump may have really done it. Are you and i, Mark Halperin, in a position here to say the last four or five days have been so bad for the Trump Campaign that we actually may be seeing something that could turn this tide against him in a very significant way . It may be. You know, in politics we talk about information flow, what people are hearing about donald trump now in the free media and the earned media. By the way, he didnt have a ouija board for that answer, he had magic 8 ball and it said maybe. [ laughter ] for maybe. Im hearing now from very smart republican operatives who have wanted donald trump to fail, who predicted for months that he would saying they feel this is different and theyre buttressed by the wisconsin poll that shows him down 10. If he lose this is state by 10 or more, which is possible now, it would be his worst loss since
iowa and it will come at a time when electability is at the forefront, when youre already seeing some republicans distancing themselves from him. And when the campaign is in some turmoil. A normal campaign, if the Campaign Manager were arrested for battery, would be in absolute disarray and its testament to trumps strength and this one man band that he is that he is soldiering on. Hes fighting to do well this this state. He does have the northeast coming up. You look at polls in new york and pennsylvania and elsewhere, trump has good contests coming up. But this is the low point of his campaign right now in many ways. This is the low point of his campaign but, again, willie, hes going to home territory and a lot of northeast states where hell be very strong and weve got a new poll that just crossed the wires speaking to that strength in the northeast. Just got one from Quinnipiac University a poll, new yorks primary is april 19, new numbers trump up huge, 56 . Ted cruz at 20 , john kasich at 19 in new york. On the democratic side, Hillary Clinton has a 12point lead over senator Bernie Sanders, 54 42 among likely voters. This poll was taken from march 22 until tuesday. Thats tighter than you might expect on the democratic side for a senator. So chris jansing, what can you report to us about what you are seeing and what you are hearing out of wisconsin . Well, i think what mark said is absolutely right. Theres longtime political operatives here who feel Something Different in the air. This is a state where Republican Voters are strongly pro life, its an act i have Prolife Movement here. And look at the poll. You have 10 points but also a lot of these events that were talking about happened since this poll was taken. Certainly the Corey Lewandowski stuff, the comments yesterday on abortion. He came into a state, he trash
talked the two most popular republicans in the state, the governor, who even though walkers, i think, approval in this marquette poll is at 42 , 43 , hes still very popular with the conservative base and paul ryan to go to his hometown and say the kinds of negative things he said about him. So the people im talking to here on the ground think that lead could grow for ted cruz and some see perhaps more of an opening with john kasich. Theyre looking at potentially record turnout here. Kasich could do very well in madison, could grow numbers here. And, remember, this is a Congressional District, apportionment of delegates so theyre looking at the possibility that kasich could even possibly and maybe this is a little pie in the sky for the antitrump forces but could even win more delegates. This is something thats very volatile right now and these events that were talking about happened after these poll numbers were taken where hes already down ten points. And thats obviously in wisconsin that also is in the
new york pool in we showed, the quinnipiac poll. Mike, as i heard the abortion comments yesterday, and it was very clear he had not thought through the abortion position and even when you talk about banning abortion, i dont hear that talk that much. What i hear is taking the issue back to the states from conservatives which is what they got three hours later but you and i have both seen bob at the rotary club and everybody likes bob and hes a good Small Businessman and people keep telling bob over 20 years, bob, you should run for congress. And finally bob decides he would be because hes a good old guy and he goes out there and talks about the importance of Small Business and less taxes and less regulations and then they always ask bob the rotarian a question. And because hes only been doing this for six months which
trump has been doing it for nine months on a much larger scale bob the rotarian says the most horrifying thing that makes you look in the paper and go oh, my god, how could bob the rotarian be that smart in so many other areas but so damn stupid in this area . And the reason why is because hes bob the rotarian and he picked this up as a hobby late in life. You cant pick up golf late in life. Your swing is going to stuck. Im sorry. You better have started swinging when you were eight or nine years old as a golfer. Tennis is hard to pick up late in life. Running for president of the United States, even tougher. Even tougher than if youre bob the rotarian in your 50s deciding youre going to congress. But you havent actually followed politics closely and there are these blind spots and they always come out and they came out yesterday for donald trump in the most horrible
national stage possible for him. Well, lets talk about bob trump bob trump decides to rub for the presidency of the United States and hes surrounded by people who have been doing it professionally, politicians, their entire lives. And he cleans their clock. And this adds to his already considerable ego, his already considerable sense of narcissism. Because let me say, donald trump is not bob the rotarian. Donald trump, as i think it was dan pfeiffer said, he has run both the greatest and the worst president ial campaign in modern american history. And its true. Donald trump has done things no other politician that we have ever seen can do. Heres what dan said trump is one of the best and absolute worst president ial candidates in modern political history. And donald has done it all in nine months. Its been a deathdefying act that nobody on the planet could do. So hes up there on the stage and then it dawns on him, slowly
but surely, physically its an exhausting process, running for president. Mentally its incredibly taxing. If you are a solo flight, which donald trump is its doubly troubling. Hes an inch deep on every issue. He threw out that maybe we should give Japan Nuclear weapons a couple days ago, maybe during the Chris Matthews things. He says so many things that are eventually, inevitably and finally boom. Its such an exhausting process and hes a solo act, Mark Halperin. Hes got hope hicks that does the press stuff but youve got Corey Lewandowski whos been his solo act. For this week hes been distracted. And i was just thinking general hayden was on yesterday and he
was talking about advising jeb bush and saying earlier in jeb bushs campaign they had the best policy team around and jeb sat there for an entire day taking notes, listening, learning and jeb is pretty damn start on policy well before any of those smart guys and women came into the room. Donald trump doesnt do that ch. And this is what we see in response. Hes defied gravity. Not just all the recently repudiated liberal positions that you couldnt imagine the Republican Party turning to someone who had those positions in the recent past but on these policy issues where mike suggested, he skated through with simplistic positions without depth. Chris did a great job yesterday not just on this abortion question but chris has put him through his paces on substantive issues with time, mika and you did in the the town meeting as well when he has not given
detailed answers or sophisticated answers, in the past it hasnt mattered. Its mattering now for a lot of different reasons, mostly because of the microscope of wisconsin and because, again, no one has become the Major Party Nominee without going through some challenge and the voters here and the National Filter and a lot of republicans are saying now is the time to see if this guy is ready to be a general election candidate against Hillary Clinton and president of the United States and in the last few days hes not passing that test. And you know, willie, what i always tell candidates that ask me, you dont to answer every question. He kept being pushed by Chris Matthews. Speaking of chris, i love chris but i had a book that basically was like in 2013 how the Republican Party could turn things around, right . I basically said on social issues, let the states take care of the social issues. Now heres what were going to do. And Chris Matthews, the first
ten questions what do you think about gay marriage . Well, my book isnt about that. Im talking about economic renewal and yeah, but what do you think about gay marriage . Chris, im not here to talk about that but if i write a book about gay marriage gay marriage, are you for or against hit . Well, chris so anyway, republicans need to be conservative ideologically and moderate temper. But what about gay ju just never answered it. You just dont answer if you dont want to. And i would be glad to answer about gay marriages. I think it should be up to the states but i wasnt there to talk about that so i didnt talk about it. But if you had decided to answer chriss question you would have known what to say. Of course. Donald trump was guessing when that question came up and he tossed a coin and it came up the wrong side. I hear you on bob the rotarian, i get that, the inexperience but you do have core believes. If you believe abortion is wrong
and you have held a prolife position for much of your life you know how to express that and explain that even when you dont want to answer it. And thats what cruz did so masterfully. And i will tell you, i do not know as someone who is prolife but believe the decision should be made by the state, i do not know how in your 50s or early 60s you believe partialbirth abortion should be legal and then ten years later are prolife. I can tell you as someone who has been prolife but who believes the decision should be made in washington, should be made in the states but just being pro life in my gut its impossible. Unless you have a religious experience on the road to damascus which i havent mean . Donald, its impossible. How can you know what prolife voters think. And this will be, as elise can tell you, exhibit a for
conservatives who say hes not a real conservative, hes making this up as he goes, hes trying to convince people he is and its not working. Thats why he said what he said. Hes trying to convince them hes pro life and doesnt know the pro life position. And kudos to Chris Matthews on a remarkable job last night. That was great tv. A great town hall last night. We have a lot to get to this morning. We have republican president ial candidate Governor John Kasich. He also surging in that wisconsin poll, plus former governor of arkansas Mike Huckabee and new york city mayor bill de blasio in just a few minutes. First, lets turn to bill karins for a look at the weather. A violent night ahead . That tornado outside of tulsa meant business. It knocked out power to six different schools so schools are cancelled in tulsa and there were a couple homes destroyed by this tornado also. One critical injury, no fatal y fataliti fatalities. So let me take you to the concern as of now, only one tornado watch is left on the board in southern mississippi
northern louisiana. We havent had any reports of any tornados so as far as today goes, 27 Million People at risk of severe storms. This is a huge area all the way from the southern great lakes back down to new orleans. The area of greatest concern for tornados, if you have friends or family in northern mississippi, northern alabama and through tennessee make sure they know they have a tornado threat during the afternoon and evening and theyll have their safety plans set in stone. But a few of those tornados could be on the strong side and those are the most deadly. We had a lot of heavy rain around little rock yesterday, flooding was widespread, additional heavy rains today flooding into georgia. Were expecting two to four inches of rain, maybe up too six inches locally in some of those spots and the other story is the cold thats still expected to come down behind the storm. This weekend dont put away the gloves and hats and Everything Else. Windchills monday morning in the Single Digits in Northern New England and were still talking about the potential for snow a little saturday and more monday
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killing it with young people, as he has in so many places but hes got a 71point difference over Hillary Clinton when you look at voters under 30. Hes leading her by Something Like 20 points among independents and where he really shows strength is with men. Hes up 14 points. He only trails women by three percentage points. I talked to Hillary Clinton folks on the ground here yesterday. Theyre trying to play the xp stations game. They say well we just want to do better than we did in 2008. Well, in 2008 she lost 58 to 40 . Obviously its not nearly that close. I think she won 10 of the states, 78 counties back then. So theyre trying to down play expectations. Theres obviously nervousness here. And i think theyre looking at low crossover. Maybe 5 . So they dont think theyll lose a lot of democrats to people who will go to the other side so it will be for Bernie Sanders a lot about turnout, particularly in madison. Both of them, by the way, coming
back here to milwaukee for a dinner on saturday night have added that to the schedule well see what they have to say then but i think when you look at those numbers and see how close it is and how well hes doing with some of these demographics, not surprising hes coming back. Mark, about the demographics, Hillary Clinton and women, around milwaukee, im told shes having difficulty around milwaukee. What does the campaign think about this . What are they saying about this internally . I have to say i attended an event she did in milwaukee. There were a couple hundred people there and shes having problems in this state. The campaign suggesting the public poll that shows sanders ahead not by much is off, that shes going to be beaten here and maybe badly. So youll have both frontrunners, trump and clinton, favorites for the nomination, it looks like have losses here, maybe substantial losses and have two weeks of pain before they can win anywhere and for clinton its
particularly tough because that public poll, we talked about trumps big lead in new york. Clintons lead in new york is not very big and sanders go into his home state in a way if he has a big win in wisconsin with a kind of momentum the clintons dont want to see. She is coming back to the state but she is not competing fiercely here and sanders is and i think it will be a bad fight for her, maybe her worst night of the campaign besides New Hampshire. Willie, its pretty staggering. You look at the blind spots of each of the frontrunners. Hillary clinton down 71 , 72 with young voters to bernie. Unbelievable. Weve talked about donald trump probably also down about 70 , maybe a little less with women voters hillarys unfavorables in the mid50s. Donald ee donalds in the mid60s. Its that makes Anything Possible and you wonder why
there hasnt been an independent looking at a democratic nominee with unfavorables in the 50s, a republican nominee presumed in the 60s and not say this is a year an independent can be elected president. I dont know. Maybe you can correct me theres precedent on having both frontrunners, perhaps two nominees, be upside down on their favorables, this badly, too. In Donald Trumps case 60 . Michael bloomberg looked at it, hes the guy everyone said has the money, if anyone could do it its him, decided it wasnt worth it, he wasnt going to run against Hillary Clinton. I dont know if theres another person out there who could pull this off. But the closer this gets to donald trump not having delegates, the closer will this looks to chaos. I think the closer you get to someone saying hey, lets take a shot at it. Still ahead on morning joe, this mayor de blasio is very, very unhappy with me because i said we should empower Law Enforcement to stop radical
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their religion, and turning against each other, well, this is new york and we know better. Im Hillary Clinton and i approve this message. Maybe its just my Upper West Side bias seeping through, but wbrid wbr27110 i thought that was a great ad. That was a look at Hillary Clintons First Television ad aimed at new york voters ahead of the states primary on april 19. With us now, democratic mayor of, no, bill de blasio, whos also supporting Hillary Clinton for president of the United States. Of course i also claim alabama, mississippi, georgia, florida you are ecumenical. Upstate new york. Youre bringing all the states together. Thats beautiful. Im a united, not a divider. Ive always said that. Isnt that what the kids say on the street. Always said that. Lets talk about for one second lets take it out of politics and lets just talk about Hillary Clintons ad right there. I think its a celebration of what new york city is. Especially when i think all of us have recognized new york city as post9 11. Right. Were very proud of what weve
done since 9 11 to come back. Were proud of the fact that people came together on 9 11 in the middle of an extraordinarily difficult moment. But were also a beacon, we believe, to this country, to this world, of what a multicultural, Multifaith Society looks like. And that ad was wonderful at saying this is the way of the future and what a powerful juxtaposition against trump not just wanting to build the wall but excluding the Muslim Population from coming to our country. What a powerful juxtaposition against cruz saying lets patrol muslim neighborhoods. I think hillarys hit a very powerful note, especially in the last few weeks, about what kind of country were going to be and this is going to be one of the things that uplift hearse campaign. You saw ted cruzs comments, though, aimed at you. Yes. He suggested that you were shocked that he wanted to empower police. Why would he not be empowering police if his proposal became ted cruz doesnt even
understand the Security Issues here. Its abundantly clear. When this first came up, i happened to be standing next to commissioner bill bratton who i think is the finest Police Leader in america, we were in times square in the aftermath of the brussels attack talking about the security actions we were taking to keep new york safe. By the way, we have a 500 member plus Critical Response command, the largest antiterror force of any Police Department in the country. And we were talking about the combination of strength but also the connection to the community. Were also talking about muslims. Talk about the muslims in the police force. Exactly. 900 Muslim Americans in the nypd who protect us everyday and as commissioner bratton said, many of whom previously had done service in the american military. So commissioner bratton, you could see the anger he felt at ted cruz impugning Muslim Americans, including 900 members of his own police force. And the fact that it was going to take us backwards on security. What were doing in this city is bonding with our large muslim
community. We want a strong relationship, we want a flow of information. We want young muslim meamerican to know they belong. Mike barnicle, whether youre talking about a great coach, whether youre talking about a great church, whether youre talking about a great country, it requires that you have your Football Players or your congregates or your citizens to buy in they have to buy in, if a Football Player buys into the team he or she will sacrifice for the team and its the same thing here. We have to have Muslim Americans buy into the American Dream and they are. And they have. They have and they are. But they dont get noticed for it everyday and instead people like ted cruz suggesting and donald trump suggesting cutting off muslims sbrg the united stat states. You know the concept if you work hard, you play by the rules . Heres a Community Working hard
and playing by the rules and then to have folks who might become president of the United States say you dont belong effectively, you should not let in, were going to send patrols through your neighborhoods on this general suspicion. That is corrosive to any sense of belonging. I agree with joes construct. A good Cohesive Society where everyone thinks they belong and has opportunity. With regard to bill bratton and the new york city Police Department. Youre the mayor of a city thats the number one target for terrorists around the world. Could you talk a bit about what commissioner bratton and john miller have done in terms of the intelligence communities within the new york Police Department that are not just located in new york and actually gave the dutch the tip on the bombers that the fbi didnt give the dutch . We pride ourselves after 9 11, we learned a valuable lesson that we have to protect ourselves. We have nypd detectives around the world red cross working with
Law Enforcement, working with national Law Enforcement around the world that has been terror targets we want to learn from everything they know and bring us help protect ourselves. Sometimes we go information and we did pass on information about the brothers who ultimately were involved in the brussels attack. How did you pick it up . I dont want to go into details. Ill simply say this is part of what our very extensive intelligence gathering operation here in this city does. Nypd protects us. There have been 20 plots directed at new york or originating in new york other the last 15 years. Every single one was thwarted because the nypd has an extraordinary intelligencegathering capacity and preventative capacity but i think where this all comes together is the notion if were going to be secure going forward, it is a combination of that strength, having the personnel we need, having the Intelligence Capacity we need but also having the relationships at the Community Level and the trust at the Community Level to get information. You want parents and clergy members and Community Leaders to come forward when they know
something and believe that they are being trusted and respected in the process. Thats how you get the information you need to keep people safe. As you know better than anyone at this table, mr. Mayor, the concern of Law Enforcement right now in terms of terrorism is not somebody hijacking a plane and flying into a building but somebody coming from within a city and being inspired by isis, whether its San Bernardino or brussels or anywhere, paris. Is that the concern right now in new york city as you all look at terrorism . That there could be two, three, four, ten people who have inspired what theyve seen around the world and how do you approach that kind of a cell . I would say the concern of an organized attack not just a individual inspired, an attack of a lone swowolf is a concern. Im concerned about that. We have a great track and great cooperation between the nypd and the fbi, etc. But the second piece of the equation, the traditional warning signal, thats where the
relationship with the Community Becomes important. 900 plus Muslim American officers are also in their communities engendering trust and good will offering people an opportunity to talk to them. Parents as weve mean . Many cases in europe, parents came forward and tried to inform the authorities of a problem theyre having with their own child. We want to keep those lines of communication very, very open to maximize the chance of seeing if someone is drifting that we can get there ahead of it. But its an imperfect dynamic but it comes down to a humanication. If theres trust and communication you have the best chance of seeing the signal in time. Mr. Mayor, all politics is local so a couple quick questions. First of all, the homeless issue, what progress are you making on the homeless issue . Weve started a powerful effort called home stat. Well have a strong presence on the streets of this city. One part of specially trained nypd officers working with the homeless. Another part Homeless Outreach worker so we can focus wherever theres a can i ask you this question really quickly . When its really cold outside, how do you get Homeless People off the streets and into shelters . Weve been blessed by a mild winter, actually. But in a really cold situation and you see Homeless People on the streets, what can you do legally . Two things. We have a very vigorous outreach and what we saw during the blizzard we had a few weeks back and throughout the winter is hundreds of people come in on some nights when it was cold. So make it easy to come in. But we had folks we brought in involuntarily. We have the legal right if someone is in danger to say youre coming with us. Well bring them to a hospital. Weve done that repeatedly. Weve had success with that. But the important thing to realize is theres between 3,000 and 4,000 homeless folks on the streets of the city, its not acceptable. But they had to be engaged one by one. Each one had a path to the streets, each one has to find a path back from the streets. What were doing with this home stat program, person by person, what will get them in . What support do they need . What connection back to their family do they need to get off the streets permanently and well stay on it until we reach each person. I have another question, i cant ask you because alex is yelling in my ear. Is he interfering with discourse . Yes, he is were trying to have a democracy here were trying to bring america together. Alex is tearing us apart. Making it great again, too. Alex is building walls. He is. And whats going to pay for it . The mexicans. Mayor de blasio, thank you so much. Morning joe right back. Iness s borders. These are the hands of pitney bowes, the craftsmen of commerce. These are the hands that sew the seeds of business growth, that weave the data, and find the perfect spot to thrive. These are the hands of pitney bowes, the craftsmen of commerce. 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continue to ramble on tell i dont go telling you nothing at all. With us on set we have Mike Barnicle, Nicholas Confessore torn to shreds in a wall street journal editorial, brutal, are you doing better . Better. Doing better. The pain is only the smiley face is like a three. We have nbc news White House Correspondent kristen welker. In madison, wisconsin, managing editor of Bloomberg PoliticsMark Halperin. In milwaukee, senior White House Correspondent chris jansing. Willie, weve got a ton to pack in we have ten pounds of news to pack into a five pound sugar bag. Lets start where chris and mark are, Marquette University law school poll, fresh has ted cruz vaulting into the lead there. Hes up 21 points just since last month. Hes at 41 right. Now john kasich is up 13 points to 21 , only nine points behind donald trump. And just this morning a new Quinnipiac University poll has trump up big in the state of new york 56 to 20 over senator ted cruz. 19 for Governor John Kasich. Mark halperin, suss through those numbers. First of all, Donald Trumps number has held steady while everybody else has moved up. This poll was concluded before the Corey Lewandowski matter. Scott walker has extraordinarily high favorable rates with Republican Voters so this is on both sides a state that will punish the frontrunners, both Hillary Clinton and donald trump. And on the republican side trump still has days here to campaign but hes campaigning with some pretty stiff head winds with all
the news on the abortion thing on lewandowski, Republican Voters in this state are going to be looking at a different donald trump and its going to be a test to see if he can fight back under adversity. Mark, is this a red flag for donald trump just in the state of wisconsin wi or a national r flag . Theres a con pollution here, the talk Radio Community, particularly charlie sykes, has been against him. Elected officials arent for him, the demographics arent great for him. He dutz have the northeast coming up. Hes ahead in new york. There are some specific factors but a loss will give ted cruz if ted cruz wins big it will give him momentum and mathematically it sets whereupon trump goes further behind the pace he needs to get to the ma jorty before the convention in cleveland. Nick, lets talk about the math. He has to get to 1237. With every one of these statements that are made it makes the Republican Party more likely to say no to trump if he gets to 1236. Im hearing more and more from donors and people in washington that if he cant get to that threshold they feel more emboldened to find a way to deprive him of it and these comments on abortion give him more fuel, that he wont be a good nominee. I have to say, just imagine going back in time after that incident with michelle fields. Imagine if they had simply said im sorry, it was a heated moment, it was a mistake, we apologize. Just imagine that. It would be a Different Campaign right now. L. Joe, ive been talking to my republican sources in d. C. Who say they put a chance at a contested convention at this point in time 60 to 40 . And that was before the lewandowski scandal and it was before those comments yesterday so i think theres some real concern that if donald trump is, in fact, the nominee, it will be a crisis within the party. I spoke to a republican yesterday whos been to every convention for the last 600
years and knows more about republican politics than i will ever know said if he doesnt come in to cleveland with 1237 hes not getting it. Thats right. And, again, Mark Halperin, the more you have statements like this, the more you have controversies blowing up, unforced errors so to speak, the more likely it is that they just say no to him. Let me ask you, though, talk about wisconsin. Lets say those numbers hold, letss say he loses to cruz by 10 or 15 points. How does that shake up the delegate race to 1237 . He needs to perform better. Every state where he gets under the mid50s percent of the delegates he needs to get to the majority he needs to perform better then. I think people are overstating two things just what an impact the loss in wisconsin would have on those northeastern states, particularly new york voting. I dont think thats a given. And with all due respect to mikes source, i think people are underestimating trumps ability to win on a second or
third ballot. I dont think those chances are negligible at all given the way this delegate thing shakes out. Its not a sure thing but i dont think theyre negligible. Wisconsin will be important but it will be up to ted cruz and john kasich to step up in the next five days and then beyond wisconsin if trump loses and make the case affirmatively for themselves. I think theyre both defined for the most part as aunt trump candidates rather than as positive candidates although theyre both working to change that. Trump made comments that sent a jolt through this campaign. In an exclusive msnbc town hall in green bay, wisconsin, trump walked into a storm of criticism after this exchange with krit matthews on abortion. If you say abortion is a crime or abortion is murder you have to deal with it under the law. Should abortion be punished . Well, people in certain parts of the Republican Party and conservative republicans would say yes, they should be punished. How about you . I would say its a very serious problem. And its a problem that we have to decide on. Its very but youre for banning it. Are you going to say put them in jail . Im asking you. You say you want to ban it. What does that mean . I am prolife. How do you ban abortion . How do you do it . Well, you go back to a position like they had where people will perhaps go to illegal places. Yeah. But you have to ban it. But the churches make their moral judgments but you running for president of the United States will be chief executive of the United States. Do you believe in punishment for abortion . Yes or no, as a principle . The answer is that there has to be some form of punishment. For the woman . Yeah, there has to be some. Ten cents, ten years, what . That i dont know. Why not . You take positions on Everything Else. Its a very complicated position . A fine . Imprisonment for a young woman who finds herself pregnant . It will have to be determined. What about the guy that gets her pregnant . Is he responsible under the law for these abortions or is he not responsible for an abortion decision . It hasnt it hasnt
different feelings, different people. I would say no. What does that sound like to you, nick . A guy whos actually was prochoice whos trying to figure out how to sound not prochoice. Thats what. I think so, willie. I think hes thinking im in a catholic state, i need to sound as prolife as possible. He kept talking about the Catholic Church to chris math use and that was his calculation but this is a guy whos been prochoice his entire life, who is now playing the role of a prolife candidate and doesnt realize that even march for life and prolife organizations that are fought to stop abortions in america for decades do not want to punish women for having an abortion. And those prolife groups came out quickly and said exactly that. But watch contrast the other candidates whove long held these prolife believes, how easy it is for them to answer the same question. Should women who get abortions be punished . Of course not. And donalds comments today are just the latest demonstration that he hasnt thought seriously about the problems facing this country, that hes willing to say anything try to get elected. Absolutely not. I do have exceptions for rape, insist and life of the mother but of course women shouldnt be punished. I think donald trump will probably figure out a way to say he didnt say it or he was misquoted but i dont think so. What donald trump said today was outrageous and dangerous and, you know, im constantly just taken aback at the kinds of things that he advocates for. Maya angelou said when someone shows you who they are, believe them. And once again he has showed us who he is. Women have the right to control their own bodies and they have the right to make those personal decisions themselves. But to punish a woman for having an abortion is beyond comprehension and i dont know what world this person lives s. So after all this criticism he issued a statement. He wrote two hours after that statement, trump put out a second clarification saying. So chris jansing, not a good day for the campaign when you make a statement and then you have to put out another statement and another statement clarifying two times what you meant. If youre a republican running for president of the United States and you havent thought through your position on abortion, its a terrible day and here you have a situation with all due respect to Chris Christie, this did not look like a misspeak. It looked and the people i talked to here in wisconsin it looked to them like somebody who had not thought through what he thought, what he believes. And go back in history. Two of the most wellknown, wellrespected republicans in the Prolife Movement, Mike Huckabee, whos going to be on, rick santorum, both have answered this question very clearly, neither of them ever suggesting that a woman should be punished. So this is a clear case of why here in wisconsin you look at the cross tabs of the marquette polls, in the last three months, Donald Trumps unfavorables have gone from 35 to 45 to 51 and i guarantee you in milwaukee conservative talk radio, which is still very influential, they are going to have a field day with this today. Lets turn to the democratic side. New polling there as well. The same Marquette University poll shows Bernie Sanders leading Hillary Clinton by four points in the state of wisconsin, 49 45 , thats within the margin of error. Senator sanders also performs better than secretary clinton with headtohead matchups in republicans in that state. Clinton trails kasich by nine points, ties ted cruz and beats donald trump by ten points. Sanders batess kasich by two, cruz by 13 and trump by 19 points. One more poll to get in, this from quinnipiac. In new york state, Hillary Clinton has a 12point lead over senator Bernie Sanders 54 to 42 among likely voters. Mark halperin, the new york poll. Are you surprised by how close new york is, 12 points . And secondly in wisconsin you actually say you have some reporting that suggests the campaigns believe it may not be as close as that poll suggests, that Bernie Sanders may actually be moving away if Hillary Clinton. I think sanders has a bigger lead than that based on the reporting ive done with both campaigns and independent observers here and although Hillary Clinton is returning to the state over the weekend, sanders is putting in a more concerted effort, drawing much
bigger crowds and even the clinton people have conceded when he spends time on the ground in states he does well and he spent a lot of time here all over the state. New york right now is a bigger firewall for donald trump than for Hillary Clinton is. That im not sure her lead is even as big as it is in that poll. The clinton people have been worried for a long time about new york and she will have two weeks of pain with sanders on the ground in new york, i suspect drawing mammoth clouds, particularly in new york city. Im not saying shell lose new york but that will be a tough fight for her particularly if she ends up losing wisconsin badly. Shes focused more on new york right now and for good prn. She needs to beat him in new york. Kristen, weve obviously been looking at the republican race because of the craziness there. The democratic race a bit more sane, sticking to issues. But the ebb and flow in that race, bernies huge win in New Hampshire, then hillarys huge win in south carolina, then hillary seems to have the
momentum, then bernie shocks in michigan, then hillary comes back strong on march 15 then bernie comes back strong in Washington State and just as everybody is saying, oh, you know, the cake is baked, its all over then you have all of the new fbi information tumbling out and now were looking at actually maybe two, three weeks of bad news for the Clinton Campaign if she gets beaten badly in wisconsin and is fighting for her life in her home state. Youre absolutely right. The cake is definitely not baked and the race the getting for exciting than anyone anticipated when it first started. The Clinton Campaign has been down playing expectations in wisconsin for weeks now. Theyve been bracing for a potential loss there. Thats why new york is so critical. A loss here would be humiliating. Thats why she was here yesterday. Shell be campaigning in purchase later today. Thats where she launched her Senate Campaign when she ran for
senate here and shes trying to say, hey, new yorkers, remember how well i did here as senator trying to remind folks of her track record. This state is critical and the Clintons Campaign argument is even if sanders wins a state like wisconsin secretary clinton comes back strong in new york and california but shes got to do that, just a little math, though, to remind folks, in order for senator sanders to clinch the nomination, he would have to start winning states like new york, california, and pennsylvania by really large margins so its still an uphill battle. Weve talked about the two insurgent campaigns, Trump Campaign and the sanders campaign. Both of these insurgent campaigns do really well among white people and if you look at wisconsin for i guess for separate reasons, if you look at wisconsin, wisconsin is the state thats almost 90 white. This is a Bernie Sanders state. You can look at the states where hes going to do well and
theyre predominantly white. Hs the official candidate of, like, norway. [ laughter ] its kind of fascinating. He did well in alaska, idaho, places where the party is weak. He tends to do less well in these states where the Democratic Party is the dominant party in the state, where there are black and brown voters in force but new york is a little different. New york has had an experience recently this kind of insurgency candidate when and this margin in the poll reminds me a bit of the final margin in the gubernatorial primary that year. She said there was all this pent up energy for an alternative to the democratic establishment and andrew cuomo even though he was a guy liberal on social issues and they were angry about his economic stances, his budgets. We can see a system phenomenon with Bernie Sanders, i think. A couple more caveats across
this mark. When they come to new york, i would no longer call Bernie Sanders campaign an insurgent campaign. Its a legitimate full blown president ial campaign. When you look at new york state and if you look at Bernie Sanders from the course of this campaign, everywhere where he has been able spend a sustained period of time on the ground in the state he really moves the needle because of his crowds and because of his younger support. In new york state, go upstate, syracuse, rochester, many other cities, you have a built in audience for his message. The symbolism hes going to do coming out of wisconsin again assuming he wins here will be massive. He had Campaign Headquarters opening in brooklyn over the weekend. He didnt attend. It was just local supporters, a massive crowd. Hes got a lot of celebrity endorsements that give him credit and dont have to go back to this go back to 1992 and bill clinton in the New Hampshire primary. The local new york press, the
local manhattan tv stations, the tabloids, they will torture Hillary Clinton during these two weeks. Bernie sanders will have the upper hand in earned media. He will do a lot of television. Shes going to have to fight for it and if she wins the wisconsin loss will be in a Rearview Mirror but it will be a fascinating two week long battle only new york could do. So willie if demographics is destiny, and it has been so far in this race, i said wisconsin almost 90 white. New york state 65 white. Theres so much focus on new york city, right . Going to make a big difference. 8, 9 Million People in new york city but if you move upstate, i was there over the weekend, its trump country, its Bernie Sanders country, its a totally different vote up there. But the states, idaho, utah, alaska, hawaii and washington. Those are the state he is just won. So to your point, utah is a republican state, those are the kind of places hes winning. Hell have to start somehow winning in states with diversity and he hasnt been able to do that so far. And secretary clinton was campaigning in harlem yesterday. That was not a mistake. She is courting africanamerican voters and that is the voting group that helped her win huge victories throughout the south so shes turning to that group to secure a win here. All right. Kristen, thank you so much for being with us. Great to be in studio. Great to have you on set. Chris jansing, we thank you so much as well for being with us in wisconsin and still ahead on morning joe, president ial candidate and Governor John Kasich will be with us on set. Plus one of his former rivals, Mike Huckabee, will join the conversation. Up next, would some republicans rather lose with ted cruz than win with drauonald trump . The answer yes. But well try to get other people answering that question straight ahead. Oh remotes, youve had it tough. Watching tvs get sharper, bigger, smugger. And you . Rubbery buttons. Entenow when someone says. Show me funny movies. Watch discovery. Record this. Voila. Remotes you are back. The x1 voice remote is here. X1 customers get your voice remote by visiting xfinty. Com voiceremote. What do you think of that willie . Bad lip reading . They just deliver every time . Every single time. I think rick perry cease the best. I look forward to finishing that in our next commercial break. With us now, Bianna Golodryga and michael duffy. Would republicans rather lose with cruz than win with trump . Some would i think. Were watching everybody takes sides now. I used to think a contested convention is something we get on a plane and fly to but its unfolding now in front of our eyes. Whether its cruz or trump or staying in the rubio and john kasich camps, we still have delegates, dont forget and the shape of a contested ballot
is you can see how people will line up. Some with ted cruz, some with kasich, a huge number for trump. Rubio is keeping his powder dry. The makings of a multiballoted convention are visible. Michael, jim comey, fbi director, Hillary Clinton emails. How directly involved on a daily or hourly basis is the fbi director in the email investigation . Everyday. And if you were running the fbi you wouldnt let anyone else handle that because it will come down in the end if the fbi interviews Hillary Clinton i suspect comey will be the one conducting the interview. Its not the kind of thing you farm out. Its too important, too critical not only to the country now the agency, the bureau. So hes doing it everyday, not as many agents on it as has been reported but plenty. And i think theyre moving fast. I think well hear from them soon. You think the fbi director would personally interview secretary clinton . I do. Wow. I do. And dont forget, this is maybe the only person on the planet whos already investigated hillary and bill clinton before. He was on the Whitewater Committee 25 years ago looking at that land deal that was an investigation primarily of her and then he handled the mark rich pardon investigation 16 years ago. So this is someone whos not a stranger to the clintons. Hes also investigated republicans and had battled with them as well so hes a very interesting unusual and independent person, we can be glad about that. Michael, the economy front and center in election years. Trump brought something to the forefront, though, that being global trade and how america in his opinion keeps losing and is behind. Talk about what americans know about global trade and the facts or the not so many facts that donald trump brings to the table on this issue. Well, you know, trump its a good question. Trump has supercharged and kind of supersimplified the trade debate making it about whether were winning versus losing with or foreign trading partners, particularly china, which has taken a lot of work not just from this country but others but the trade picture is more complicated. China is losing ground to some of its regional partners on the same work it lost from us. A lot of the work that was taken away from the u. S. Has begun to move back in the Manufacturing Sector and, of course, the role currency plays in trade which is pretty complicated and not really made for Campaign Rallies also is playing an increasing role so i think what were trying to do in that story this week is explain that this is a much more complicated conversation than perhaps the bumper stickers would let you believe. On another issue, Nick Confessore, you wrote a front page piece for the New York Times called how the gop elite lost its leaders to donald
trump. You wrote in part that piece drawing raves from the wall street journal editorial page this is morning. Thats right, the wall street journal page support the kind of traditional Economic Policy on the right and i think what this story was about that there is a chunk of voters on the right not all of them but who are in the gop who lost faith in that agenda, who began to wonder why the party kept advocating for tax cuts for wealthy people who are wealthy,
tax cuts for businesses that were thriving already and they wondered what else was in it for them and they saw their own Party Working with president obama on trade deals talking with him about entitlement reform and they began to wonder if there was something else. And they have felt messed with by washington and they have felt that the traditional elite Economic Policy has not helped them and theyre open to something else. So donald trump comes out and his policies are im going to stop making bad trade deals, im going to expand social security, im going to stop people from coming across the border and taking your jobs and that message spoke to those people. And a lot of people love to look at trumps crazier comments and say if you support trump you have to be a racist in the Republican Party, these working class voters must be racist. I cant speak for every republican that supports donald trump but i know that you do when you talk to people in the crowds and people who are supporting trump, so much of it
is a frustration with on going economic stagflation, we say it here everyday that male wages have been on the decline in real term since 1973 and the Republican Party keeps talking about tax cuts for corporations, tax cuts for the wealthy, tax cuts for capital gains, tax cuts for all the things that i talked about when i was in congress but guess that . If youre making 45,000, 50,000 a year, none of that is speaking to you. Its as irrelevant as saying im going to let people that live in simi valley flies to mars next week. Its not relevant to their lives. Theyre probably not even filing the long form so tax cuts of that kind dont matter. Its not just republicans. There are democrats and independents who find that message very appealing and really important people who havent cared about politics or identified with any party before. Thats where hes drawing his
strength. Anger at the elites in media, in politics, in business and in wall street is powering his campaign. Were going to talk about this more in the next block. Thank you so much for being with us. Well be looking forward to the new issue of Time Magazine. Bianna, stay with us if you will and still ahead well talk to Jeffrey Sachs whos advising Bernie Sanders on Foreign Policy. Plus do you think you could do more white house in the white house as governor of ohio as Vice President . Sitting in the west wing i would be the worst Vice President anybody ever had. Trust me. Let me just say, i know john kasich, i like john kasich, and john kasich is a friend of mine. Hes exactly right. Hed be a terrible Vice President. He sounds like hes not in for any trump john kasich in 2016. Ho Governor John Kasich will be with us live straight ahead to talk about why he should be the president instead. Morning joe coming right back. Every insurance policy
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for anything. You might use in the europe . [ laughter ] no. Im just saying im not taking cards off the table. One of the many headlines yesterday, the msnbc town hall with donald trump as Chris Matthews talked to him there. The republican frontrunner refusing to rule out using Nuclear Weapons in europe, joining us now economist Jeffrey Sachs, hes advised Bernie Sanders president ial campaign on Foreign Policy. Thats a great way to start the wbrid wbr58490 day, huh . Your first blush reaction to that . Well, its horrifying. You know, hes scaring the wits out of everybody, i think here and abroad and its very flippant and not very serious. Wbrid wbr58615 your focus has been on the democratic side, youve been very tough on Hillary Clinton, supporting Bernie Sanders, you said, referring to a wall street journal piece, the journal gets it right, hillary is the war monger in this campaign, sanders is the candidate of peace. What troubles you so much about
Hillary Clinton . Well, she has been the lead agent of every war that were in and the kind of wars that have created more and more chaos and when we get glimpses of what has really happened, for example, in the twopart New York Times story last month about libya, the president was very reluctant. The secretary of defense, robert gates we dont need another war but hillary was in there, we need war, we need to door, but it created a bloodbath that continues to this day. Same in syria, same in iraq. Every war shes supported and i think its a dangerous and bad record. Shes made us less safe and it was one of the poor performances of a modern secretary of state. When it comes to Foreign Policy you hear donald trump speak in admiration of russian president Vladimir Putin. You spent time in russia as well. What is Bernie Sanders take on
russia as a partner, as an ally, as a collaborator. What would his relationship with Vladimir Putin look like . I think the idea would be to solve problems and one of the places where we need to solve problems is in syria. Hillary was a lead proponent of overthrowing the government of assad that was five years ago. It was a failed cia saudi arabia attempt that was supposed to be a few weeks and the u. S. Was going to get its new government. Five years later its displaced 10 Million People, hundreds of thousands of people are dead and russia and the United States have a common interest now in getting this isis horror put down and instead of what this adventurism of Hillary Clinton has been. And so i think hes looking for workman like relationships
around the world to solve real problems is, rather than these kinds of wars of choice that had turned out to be debacles in iraq, in syria, in libya in many, many other places. Jeffrey, youve just described isis as a horror. What would senator sanders position be on trying to contain or whatever with isis which poses perhaps the largest threat to our security and Global Security right now . How would senator sanders deal with a criminal cult who have no interest in peace . I think if we understand how u. S. Actions in iraq and syria led the way for this horror, including an alliance we have with saudi arabia, an alliance where a huge amount of fundings with jihadists comes from wealthy saudis, we should revisit this whole prl business
of looking at what the underlying roots of terrorism has been. First, the wars of choice have opened up the space for this war, second, our allies, quote unquote, put in a lot of money into what we would call radical jihadists and that has made it much more dangerous for us. So i think this requires an entirely new approach and unfortunately secretary of state clinton was the lead proponent of this approach of the cia and saudi arabia working together to overthrow regimes in the region. Dr. Jeffrey sachs, so much to talk about across the world. Well have you back very soon to do the rest of us. Up next, president ial john kasich will join us next. Nobody, nobody respects women more than donald trump, that i can tell you. [ cheers and applause ] nobody. And nobody will be better to women. And nobody will give greater security to our country for
women and in that case for everybody. Nobody but donald trump. So i have two 16yearold twin daughters and whatever i say who if he happened to be the nominee, i would have to tell them why i would endorse him if i did. So i you havent figured that out yet, have you. I havent. I havent. You dont know what to tell him. I dont know what im going to do yet and honestly i dont think hell be the nominee. With us on set, republican president ial candidate, governor of ohio, john kasich. John, always great to see you. Joe, its always good. Always good. How is it going out there . If i can be president , why dont you leave this, come to washington imagine how much fun wed have fixing this country . What would i do . Well, what would you like to have . We could give you a cabinet id be terrible at whatever youd give me. I think you should be a roving guy. Im a rover. I like to rove. Youd be the sweeper. Big expense account, is that all right . Well, thats what washington used and then after like a year they said no more expense accounts. But think about how much we could innovate and change everything in that town. Nobodys talking about that, though. I know theyre not. Unfortunately. This has been an extraordinarily depressing im still surviving, im still here. Im talking about it. Its gotten crazier by the day but lets start with the obvious news of the day, donald trump, town hall meeting last night talking about punishing women who have abortions. He backed off and said it should be left to the states, a more conventional conservative position. What do you think last nights episode shows about donald trump as a candidate . Well, first of all, he united the prochoice and prolife groups which i dont know how he did that. But think about this. He said he would use Nuclear Weapons maybe in europe. We would leave nato. He would have a Supreme Court
justice that would have to investigate hillarys emails, that would be one of the requirements for being a justice, then he said we should destroy the geneva convention. Joe, its almost i dont know. The thing that you wonder about it is so why has he done so well attothis point, john . You know why, we both know. We all know. Because hes tapped into a frustration and an anger that people have had about my job is not very good, its not secure, my wages arent going anywhere and my kids got a College Education and theyre living in my basement. Weve talked about our dads in the past. Your dad working class guy, my dad working class and then middleclass guy. Did very well over time. Would they vote for donald trump . My father no, he would not. Would your dad look at donald trump he might have in the beginning say, wait a second, the clowns in washington have gotten
everything wrong, they got wmds in iraq wrong, they missed 9 11, they screwed things up in 2008, we keep things keep getting worse. Theyre frustrated about their economic status. There are a lot of workingclass guys in the position your dad was in and my dad was in that haare looking a trump and voting for him. Why is that . They think he is a vessel for their frustration. But when this stuff this is like five or six things the. I had to write down all the things that he said. Theyre still there. So how do you or how does another candidate become the vessel for that frustration . You know why . Because frankly im number two in the trump voter. Trump voters looked at me, theyre not mad at me, that i like me. Many of them. Im like their second choice. From way back. Now theres only three in. How do you become their first choice . I think continuing to let i need to let them know that ive been a reformer. But, joe, you know what it is . They are still just learning who i am and i can tell them the success i brought in terms of income, security, and their kids future. Let me tell you one other thing i think is so important to know. I can walk into a room with 100 people and get them to be hopeful or i can walk into that same room with 100 people and get them so depressed that they jump into the ditch. Thats what people can do about, you know, if you feed on their anxiety, then you can make them more anxious and if you feed on the possibility of hopefulness look at these town halls. I go to these town halls, you know, yesterday with chuck todd it was great, with Anderson Cooper the day before. Im out there in milwaukee and people are cheering when im doing the town hall because im giving them a sense that it can be better again and americans want to know that tomorrow will be a better day. They we all know that. Thats what they want but they want evidence. So im not just talking, im telling him heres what ive done so give me a chance here. But theyre finally starting to hear me. They didnt hear me, joe, for how long . Five months . So five months . You go in the store, theres coke and pepsi and theres ca kasich, youre shopping and thats interesting but i dont know who he is, lets go coke. The key for me is continue to be out here so people can identify me and decide whether irate up here with the traditional brand. Im trying to get branded now. I for one like an rc cola so thats a good thing for you. Youve been spending time in new york . Its so unbelievable. Eating pizza at howard beach in queens with knife and fork i didnt use a knife yes, you did. I put a fork on it and never used the fork again. Fair enough. I ate a whole plate of hot sausage my wife said about time youve learned how to use a
utensil properly. Lets talk about your strategy. We saw a poll this morning, donald trump is up huge in new york. Did you see that poll . I havent seen that but heres what i have seen, heres what i have seen, people here still dont know me but im gaining. Let me tell you, this head to head on Hillary Clinton trump loses by 20. I lose by five in new york. New york state. Yes, by five. They would have to spend money here to beat me. Nobody has ever been competitive in the state running for president. Im just five points down. Look at michigan and North Carolina . Im beating her in all of these places and the national polls. That leads me to my question, is that the case you make at the convention. You conceded nobody is going to get 1237 cruz would have to get almost 90 of the remaining delegates. When you get it cleveland, is that your case, im the one that can beat Hillary Clinton . I think when you nominate somebody youre trying to pick
somebody who can win in the fall. Correct. So that would be one of my points. But theres another point, delegates are very serious people. Somebody like joe, if he wasnt on tv, he would be a delegate if he wasnt running for something. Heres another issue. Who could run the country . Thats like an important thing as well. Were not picking like the president of the class, were picking somebody to be the commander in chief and i think its both issues, willie, ive been in a convention in 1967, delegates take it very seriously. Youre going to go upstate and leave new york city and upstate and campaign somewhere, rochester, syracuse and somebody will stand up, i havent had a pay raise in 14 or 15 years, my wages have remained stagnant while rich guys in manhattan are making a lot of money now today, more than theyve ever made before. What are you going to do about getting me a pay raise and dont give me bs . Number one, we have to have a stronger economy because then people start buying more things and workers are more in demand. Heres the other thing. We need to have lifelong training for people who work. There has to be lifelong where you upgrade your skills all the time. If you look at the statistics, if you have a twoyear or fouryear degree, you make more money than people with a simple high school diploma. The key is to get them the skills so they become valuable as a worker. That is the key to moving people today. And for tomorrow, look, i believe we have 190,000 job openings in ohio, 190,000. 20 of them pay more than 80,000. Our schools are not preparing our young people for jobs that exist. So what we have to do, weve got to connect the skills and the education with what exists. Were not doing it today. We have to shake up the School System but it all gets back to skills because if you have skills, theyve got to keep you
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backup camera, im not confident which pedal i would push. [ applause ] all right. Wow, willie, ted cruz getting laughs there. When ted cruz has become the darling of the comedy late night circuit, that says something. He was good on that show. That was relaxed ted cruz. Very good last night on two nights in a row. Really . Hes funny in general though, in gaggles with the press and stump, he has a sense of humor. When youre talking to him on the stump and talking to you, does he say, nick, does he do the shakes peer yan stuff. Makes star trek jokes, fun guy. Said no one who ever knew
him. Good morning, its thursday, march 31st. With us on set veteran what is he . Legendary Mike Barnicle and political writer, been called what the lion. I think they nailed you. Very nice person. Bingo. Former adviser to senator rand paul and contributor to time and msnbc political analyst, elise jordan and Mark Halperin and chris jansing. I want to start, willie, lets talk about i spoke to its like hes got a crystal ball. Are you old enough to remember rom per room . Yeah. Any look through the crystal ball and they can say, i see willie of course. In politics, in 2016, thats Mark Halperin. I talked to mark two or three days ago and hes in the crystal ball thing. He goes, i feel a separation between cruz and trump. But the polls say its 3131. I feel a separation. He said it felt, it felt like ted cruz was gaining a lot of momentum. Boom to the marquette poll. A lot of people know halperin was the fillin host on romper room, so its appropriate. There was the mr. Green jeans scandal that took him off television forever. I didnt think we were going to get into that. A statute of limitations has run, i think its safe. Marquette poll out of wisconsin, it has ted cruz vaulting into the lead, up 21 points since
last month. Hes at 40 now. That gives him a 10point lead over donald trul p. John kasich up to 21 . Donald trump was at 30 right there a month ago in the same poll and ted cruz was down in at 19 points. When all of those other people got out of the race, it looks like that report swung not to donald trump but ted cruz . This state is unusual for a lot of reasons in terms of trumps ability to replicate what hes done elsewhere. As i drove around the state in a buick with a ouigi board, it became clear that the ted cruz has organized in the state and you have members of the establishment and talk Radio Community and others who see this as a stop trump movement. This is the norm. Trump has not had an existent shal moment on his march to dominance in the fight. This is a state where they
understand they are playing a unique role. They are voting by themselves on tuesday and i think youre seeing an effort here with advertising from outside groups, local talk radio and an electorate thats not made for trump with a lot of suburban women that is setting up tore a real test and challenge as he continues to fight for the state. Hes been hammered with horrific news. Were going to get to last nights event but the day before that he spent the day defending Campaign Manager from battery charges. Well, hes got that. Lewandowski has been doing that for three days now, with him allegedly grabbing a woman, a reporter. Then last night. Last night. And you i was talking yesterday and we were talking about exactly how corey
lewandowski situation would play out and said in some republican primaries, it would be trump being trump, defending his man, no problem. But it was Steve Kornacki that talked about the problem with him, the gender its not a gender gap, its going to turn into a gender canyon. As we were speaking about that yesterday, then you add on top of that, the story were getting to in a minute. Insurmountable may soon be too big of a word to describe i think the narrative has been said that donald trump is a miss oj nist, the new cycle has been so damaging over the course of the last week. Youve gotten the heidi cruz, we didnt get into that and allegations of the five mistresses completely unsubstantiated with ted cruz and Corey Lewandowski and women who get abortions should be
punished. Hes just donald trump has gone pretty medieval and women dont like what they are playing. How does medieval play in peoria . Exactly. He could not have picked a worse way to end a four or five or sixday run on this battle with women. And especially in witness. I think wisconsin is the state that keeps hope alive for the establishment that wants to beat him. If he wins, its game over. If he can be stopped, it keeps alive the prospect of beating him. Its not really atraditional purple state. It has a strong left and right wing and i think its just dumb to have gone into it with this clumsy attempt i think to reach out to conservatives by taking a liberals caricature
place on abortion. Donald trump hasnt spent enough to understand prolifers and what the concerns are and panderring in the worst possible way with the worst stereo type they hate the most. That gets us to the next piece of sound, ripped by prolifers and conservatives as well. In an exclusive msnbc town hall in green bay, dop ald trump walked into a storm of criticism after this exchange with Chris Matthews on abortion. If you see abortion is a crime or murder, you have to deal with it under the law. Should abortion be punished . People in certain parts of the Republican Party and conservative republicans would say yes, they should be punished. How about you . I would say its a very serious problem and its a problem that we have to decide on. Its very youre for banning it. Are you going to say put them in jail . Im asking you. You say you want to ban it. What does that mean . Im against im prolife. How do you ban abortion . Well, youll go back to a position like they had where people will perhaps go to illegal places but you have to ban it. But the churches made the moral judgment but you running for president of the United States will be chief executive. Do you believe in punishment for abortion, yes or no . There has to be some sort of punishment. For the woman . Yeah, some form. Ten cents, ten years . I dont know. Why not . You take positions on Everything Else . I do, its a very complicated position. A fine . Imprisonment for young woman who finds herself pregnant . It will have to be determined. The is the man responsible or not responsible . Different feelings different people, i would say no. Were going to sift through that in a second. It aired last night but shot in the afternoon. The clip went out and backlash
was swift from all corners, including for many president ial candidates. Should women who get abortions be punished . Of course not and donalds comments are the latest demonstration he hasnt thought seriously about the problems facing this country and willing to say anything to get elected. Absolutely not. I do have exceptions for rape, incest and life of the mother but women shouldnt be punished. I think donald trump will figure out a way to say he didnt is a it or was misquoted or whatever. It was outrageous and dangerous. And you know, im constantly just taken aback at the kinds of things that he advocates for. Maya angelou said when someone shows you who they are, believe them. Once again he showed us who they are. Women have the right to control their own bodies and have the right to make those personal decisions themselves. But to punish a woman for having
an abortion is beyond comprehension. I dont know what world this person lives in. Donald trump united both antiabortion rights act vists and supporters like planned parent hood and march for life speaking out. He did say he was going to bring america together. He did it yesterday. To give you a sample, march for life, against abortion, said women who have chosen abortion need healing and compassion, not punishment. Now shortly after trump made the comments in the town hall he did issue a statement saying this, this issue is unclear and should be put back into the states for determination. Like ronald reagan, im prolife with exceptions which ive outlined numerous times. Two hours later trump put out a second clarification. If abortion was outlawed by congress or states, the doctor or any other person performing this illegal act upon a woman would be held legally responsible not the woman. He went on the woman is a victim in this case as is the life in her womb. My position has not changed. Like ronald reagan, im prolife with exceptions. Its really great communicates when youre releasing statement after statement after statement to clarify what you said. Do you think he understands the prolife position . Not at all. I think hes trying to pander and doing it poorly. He doesnt know anything about any policy issue from Foreign Affairs to anything domestic. Thats what this campaign has established by this you know, Mark Halperin, the fact is for the first 60 years of his life, donald trump was prochoice. And he was very comfortable speaking about a womans right to choose when he was prochoice. I think what we have here is somebody that doesnt have all of the angles of the prolife viewpoint and again, appears to have come to this decision late in life and some people would
say that he is pandering to conservatives but clearly doesnt understand what even prolife groups want. I im wondering, you stack up everything that has happened over the past week, are we as people who have always mocked the media for saying, well, this time, trump may have really done it, are you and i Mark Halperin in a position to say the last four or five days have been so bad for the Trump Campaign that we actually may be seeing something that could turn this tide against him in a very significant way. It may be. You know, in politics talk about information flow, what people are hearing about donald trump now by the way, he didnt have a
ouja board. They feel this is different and they are but tresed by the poll that shows hes down ten. If he loses by ten or more it would be the worst loss since iowa and come at a time when electability is at the forefront and already seeing some republicans distancing themselves from him. But when the campaign is in some turmoil. A normal campaign, if the Campaign Manager were arrested for battery would be an absolute disarray. In a testament to the strength and one man band he is, hes soldiering on and keeping his schedule and fighting to do well in this state. He does have the northeast coming up. You look at polls in new york and pennsylvania and elsewhere, trump has some good contests coming up but this is this is the low point of his campaign right now in many ways. This is the low point of his campaign but again, willie, hes
going to home territory and a lot of northeast states where hes going to be very strong and weve got a new poll that just crossed the wires speaking to that strength in the northeast. Got one from quinnipiac, new numbers, trump up huge, 56 , ted cruz at 20 and john kasich at 19 in new york. On the democratic side, Hillary Clinton has a 12point lead over senator Bernie Sanders, 5442 among likely voters, it was taken from march 22nd until tuesday of this week. Thats tighter than you might expect on the democratic side for the senator. What can you report about what youre seeing and hearing out of wisconsin . Reporter well, i think what mark said is absolutely right, theres long time political operatives here who feel Something Different in the air, one this is a state where Republican Voters are strongly prolife, its an accountive
Prolife Movement here. And look at the poll. You have ten points but also, a lot of these events that were talking about happened since this poll was taken. Certainly the Corey Lewandowski stuff and comments on abortion. He came into a state and trash talked the two most popular republicans in the state, the governor, even though walkers approval in this marquette poll is at 42, 43 , hes still very popular with the conservative base. And paul ryan, to go to his home town and say the negative things he said about him, the people im talking to here on the ground think that lead could even grow for ted cruz and some even see perhaps more of an opening with john kasich. Looking at potentially record turnout here. Kasich could do very well in madison, could grow some numbers here. This is a Congressional District apportionment of delegates, they are looking at the possibility that kasich could even possibly maybe this is a
little pie in the sky for the antitrump forces, could even win for delegates. This is something very volatile and the events were talking about happened after these poll numbers were taken where hes already down ten points. Still ahead on morning joe lets check the Mitch Mcconnell emotion start to find out where he stands on john kasich. Is he sad . Is he happy . Is he surprised . Is he excited . Or is he angry . [ applause ] everyone is angry. How do i get the app . I need the Mitch Mcconnell emoji did you get the update on kardashian. Of course i did but i want the Mitch Mcconnell emoji app. Former arkansas governor Mike Huckabee, first built karins has a look at the forecast. I hear snow could be coming. In connecticut youll see snow flakes over the next five to six days. Severe weather started yesterday in areas and really bad storm was north of tulsa, from the Tulsa Airport and thats a tornado on the ground just behind the runway there. This one just on the north side of town. Damaged a couple of homes severely, one person critical injury but did not see fatalities, School Canceled today. To kansas, where large hail was the culprit and covered the ground. Almost looks like a field of white marbles there. And finally flash flooding was a big problem last night and overnight in little rock, arkansas, not often you see a big dumpster heading downstream, probably not even supposed to be where a stream was. Looks like a parking lot. Heavy rain now moving into areas of alabama, this is round one, whats left from yesterday. Were going to do round two
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with it, yes. Is yesterday so as you may know, weve been making fun of reporters for nine months, saying this is the end of donald trump. But were not quite there yet, but im wondering if the past two or three days going to walk me over that trap im telling you, im walking with you to the edge and looking, wondering whether we have seen if not not saying the end of donald trump. Weve seen these two or three days that could be a pivot point in this campaign. Certainly more than any moment, maybe going back to last summer, hard to remember a time since then when it seemed like theres such a clear path for people to take him on or take him down. The timing of the calendar right now hurts him in the short term and hes up against wisconsin. Not shaping up as a great state. Over the medium term though, the
calendar works in his favor and maybe bails him out of a very bad situation, if he gets whipped in wisconsin, he has to suffer for two weeks twisting in the wind as we write about how he got whipped in wisconsin. Then new york state comes. Just a titanic margin, right, whole primary states are tailer made for him. Hes not a gracious loser, a twoweek lag period for donald trump is very bad. Thats when he makes unforced errors, when he has more pressure on you say when he starts to make unforced errors. When he gets pressed on issues that he knows nothing about yeah. It is sort of the natural moment if he were to lose wisconsin which are built into the political marketplace at this point that we assume this will happen. But this would be a time that a normal conventional candidate
would do the Campaign Shakeup and can the Campaign Manager and say, our approach has worked so far and we need to up our game going forward. Trump is not a guy willing to do those things so far but maybe this is a place he could learn. Ronald reagan did it everybody forgets reagan did it after his massive win in New Hampshire. Got rid of john sears, considered one of the great political strategists in the Republican Party at the time. Doesnt come down to when and if his supporters will ever chas tis or criticize them. Theres nothing he has done wrong throughout this past nine or ten months, nothing. So wondering whether Corey Lewandowski scandal or ted cruzs wife scandal, or the comments on abortion, do we think it will change the minds of those so loyal to him throughout the past ten months. I dont know, but certainly ive been saying this for a little while, what helps in the
primary in the short run hurts him in the long run. You look again, hes had a problem with demographics. Especially when it comes to hispanic voters, but now youve got the womens issue. And you look at the problems he had before, the ted cruz wife issue, rolling into the Corey Lewandowski issue and abortion issue, boy, thats a powerful one, two, three punch. Its hard to overstate the importance of the abortion issue, its the bell that has not rung in this republican primary. I was talking to a strategist in washington, when you look at the issues his opponents have gone after him on, Trump University and attacks on muslim and hispanic people, private polling shows these arish yoo yous that kill him in a general but not in a primary. The issue that hurts in a primary is really inexplicable
history on abortion, going from the most liberal position imaginable to a decision yesterday that makes folks in the Prolife Movement shake their heads. It gets back to the 1237 now and now what happened yesterday is just one more indication that there were 15 and 16 people out there, republicans on the ballot running for the United States senate. I immediately went to people like kelly ayotte thinking what happens to her chances in her state with trump kelly ayotte, ron portman, all around. Thats why every time Something Like this happens, what it means is 1236 sends donald trump home, that simple. 1237 sends him onto the general election. Lets bring in from santa rosa beach, florida, former republican president ial candidate and governor of
arkansas, Mike Huckabee. Governor, i was just in our neck of the woods last week, youre a lucky man. How are you doing this morning . Im doing better than i deserve, great to be with you again. Of course you are. Thats what i love, false modesty, southern politicians do it better than anyone else. Yes. I need your response, what happened last night with donald trump . I was talking before about guys about bob the row tear yan runs for congress and gets blindsided by what should be the simplest question. Is that what happened to trump last night . He wasnt prepared for it. Its clear he had not thought through that whole idea of do you punish the woman and of course you dont. All of us who are prolife and i cant think of anybody more pro plif than me, weve never said there is some punishment that ought to be needed out to a whom
had an abortion. Saving the baby and saving the mothers and be being prolife means youre trying to make things better, not see if you can hurt somebody. Now, let me be very clear, if you listen to his answer about being prolife and the transformation that he made from being very prochoice to prolife, ive heard it publicly and privately and in an intimate moment with him and i believe that is a sincere understanding as he faced this in a more personal level rather than philosophical. He did come to the view Mike Huckabee, what would the chance be that you or i would go from being prolife our entire life into our early 60s to supporting partial birth abortion at 69 . Thats what donald trump has done. In his late 50s early 60s, he supported partial birth abortion, now suddenly, he is more prolife than you. Have you where was that road to do mass can you s to damascus, ive never seen that happen. Well, you could ask the same question, when did mitt romney suddenly go from hosting planned parenthood fundraisers in his home i did ask the same question and didnt believe it with mitt romney and dont believe it with donald trump. Okay, you dont have to. Ive listened to what he said about when a person in his family and looking at sonograms of his own children, ive heard that from prominent liberals i wont out on this show, some that would shock you, who told me when they saw sonograms of their own kids it gave them a double take and had to ask themselves, have i been wrong about this issue . Why isnt anyone asking Hillary Clinton why at her age she Still Believes in late term and partial birth abortion . Thats the radical view that i
really believe ought to be part of the conversation. She gets away with it. And thats the most radical view that most democrats and even most pro abortion advocates, they dont go that far. Donald trump went that far ten years ago. Governor huckabee articulate the prolife position and last night donald trump was unable to. Do you think he knows what the prolife position is . I think he has no idea. What i find so disturbing about what he said and governor huckabee, in your defense just then, you were saying that he just hadnt thought this through. So he hasnt thought it through and first impulse is to punish women who have had abortions and that to me seems completely and anty thet cal as to what the Prolife Movement is all about. Can i interject here . Sure. I have been in the arena joe, you have too, youve campaigned all day and been
asked a thousand questions. I dont think he was prepared. I dont think he saw that one coming. He handled it poorly. He had to walk it back and issue a statement to clarify and correct. He did. Look, it was a terrible answer. Nobody is going to defend what he said because the idea of weve got to have some punishment and in his answer it looked like he was fumbling around. Lets be lets just lay that on the table. It was a messup. But to say he hasnt thought through the abortion issue, thats a stretch. Surely had not thought through that specific question of whether or not you should enter some type of legal consequence against the woman and he should have thought it through. That was a mistake of donald trump and mistake of the stuff. Governor, setting aside the question of Donald Trumps sincerity, and talking about how he was unprepared and his answer was terrible and embarrassing. Does this raise really serious, maybe disqualifying questions for you about his ability to
prosecute the case you were making against Hillary Clinton in the fall . Im very sympathetic of what its like to be a candidate. I dont think one answer one moment is definitive. Ive not endorsed donald trump or anyone else. I certainly dont want to see bernie or hillary be president. Ill support the republican nominee. Everyone im listening to on tv, radio, all they are doing is talking about donald trump but from the perspective of the inner circles of the media and those who live in this world. Youre missing something that i think no offense, when you dgo to the people in a public supermarket. They are not talking about the little nu aenss what a candidate said. They are scared to death they are never going to have a good
job again. Their country will be invaded by those who come to terrorize america like europe has been terrorized and willing to let Little Things about a quis guys statements go by. Are you going to make us better or worse or protect us or leave us vulnerable like europe . I think thats whats getting missed in this entire election. You think about donald trump not thinking through the question about abortion. Couldnt one argue theres a pattern of not thinking things through on a wide range of topics, whether that be dealing with the crisis in the middle east and resolving the issue between israel and palestine . Were seeing this consistently time and time again whenever important issues are raised and hes asked specifics, we see this pattern of not thinking things through. And you and i are talking about that like that really matters. I thought all of those issues through and i was prepared for every one of the questions youre talking about. But today im sitting in a chair as an unemployed excandidate talking to you about a guy you sound like ben carson right now. Saying thats okay, lets give in. Im just saying that we are living in a time when people are looking at big things and they are willing to forego things they dont consider as important as whether or not they have a job and whether they are going to be safe. And their attitude this is what i hear all the time. You know what, hell surround himself with people and theyll fill in the blanks, and hes winning and im sitting here talking to you. Thank you governor, Mike Huckabee. Good to see you, joe. I dont think jeb or Mike Huckabee or anybody understands why they are sitting in chairs
talking to us right now because none of us did. I do like this idea that he was saying when i was a candidate i thought through every policy i did really seriously. When he was a candidate in 2008 one of the famous lines, i dont have Foreign Policy experience but did say at a Holiday Inn Express last night. He also had been governor and dug in a little bit more but, yeah, its the nukes are now trivial apparently to americans. Lets leave from los angeles and Hallie Jackson. Ted cruz was in l. A. To appear on jimmy kimmel and also a sign hes looking to the june 7th primary. What is the Cruz Campaign thinking about the tough week donald trump has had so far . Reporter for ted cruz this has been an opportunity to let donald trump take up headlines and you heard cruz talk about
the abortion comments. He did talk about the other things that trump has brought up like, for example, what to do about immigration, what to do about border security, take a listen here. Cruz was pressed by kimmel on the idea of patrolling muslim neighborhoods, kimmel said he didnt support this and cruz reiterated his stance. If you look whats happened in europe, many of these attacks you can trace their roots to failed immigration policies in europe that they have let vast numbers of islamic terrorists into europe and sadly many of them are living in communities that are isolated and called no go communities where the Law Enforcement doesnt even go there. One of those in brussels is a Community Cold molenbeek, that is traced over and over again to many of the terror attacks weve seen. What happens when you dont engage, you get radicalization. So cruz here in california ahead of the june 7th primary talked about how important that will be. The campaign is acknowledging
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