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Thank you. [ cheers and applause ] get him out. Oh, my lord, its the top of the hour and its monday and are we back here in new york . Yes, we are. Its monday, february 22. Welcome to morning joe. With us on set we have former Communications Director for president george w. Bush nicolle wallace. Nicolle, how are you feeling today . We were watching. We were very worried about you on saturday night. I had fun on saturday night. You didnt look like you were having fun. I was having a good time. Looked like a difficult time. Which start. The entire part. With you gritting your teeth . No, saturday was fun. Listen, this stuff is if you can detach yourself emotionally its riveting, right . So when do you think that will happen for you . July or august . Ive talked openly about my tenstep process toward acceptance, my parents are, you know, big trump people so i try to feel their pleasure in the twists and turn this is campaign is taking but, as a republican, its really an eye opening process to see a guy that sort of takes a i mean, you and i talked about this on the air saturday night, see a guy that has come so far toward the far left wing of what the Democratic Party said about 9 11 prevail among military voters in South Carolina. Its amazing. Whats fascinating is, mika, he prevailed especially among military voters. He prevailed among everybody. But military voters, too. Willie, the there are a lot of people that went to fight over the past 10, 15 years and you would think they may have been offended or felt a little more defensive of their former commanderinchief, george w. Bush. But they did not and i wonder if thats not just an indictment from the men and women who fought the war of 15 years of endless wars. Yeah, that could be part of it. And part of it maybe they didnt think he was indicting them as military men and women but the leadership that took them to those wars. But it goes to, again, its the military question, he won evangelicals big. Is he a big evangelical . No, of course hes not but hes projecting strength and the military thinks hell step up for them. Evangelicals think he will defend them. Not in any specific granular way but in that big overarching theme of his campaign, which is strength. It happens across all the issues. Look he said yesterday on health care. He said stuff on health care that would make it tough for a democrat to get elected let alone a republican. He effectively backed into the single payer thing and no one should be without health care and so on and so forth so hes losing his own special bubble. Again, and on planned parenthood. On planned parenthood. If any republican told me in a statewide race in the deep south they were going to say planned parenthood does good things, that would be the kiss of death for anybody else. Well, we also have managing editor of Bloomberg Politics, Mark Halperin with us as well. So lets get started. Tomorrow is the Republican Caucus in nevada, but many of the candidates are also looking at super tuesday and the socalled s. E. C. Primary. 595 delegates are at stake in 11 states a week from tomorrow with more than half of those in the south. In atlanta yesterday in front of a crowd of 6,000 people, donald trump took multiple victory laps after his South Carolina win. Listen to this. We won with everything. We won with women. I love the women. We won with women. [ cheers and applause ] we won with men. Meh. Id rather win with women, to be honest, but thats all right. We won with evangelicals. Unbelievable. Unbelievable. We won with the military. [ cheers and applause ] oh, oh, oh. We won with highly educated, pretty well educated and poorly educated. But we won with everything. Tall people, short people, fat people, skinny people. Just won. You know these politicians that im dealing with . I mean, theyre up these people, they dont a clue, some are nice guys, actually. Some i dont like, some i do like. I wont get into the ones that left, because theyre gone. Once theyre gone, theyre gone. They leave, they leave. Good luck, we think youre wonderful. How do you like them wonderful people, theyre great. The only category i do badly in is my personality, and thats okay. Who cares . And you know what . You want to know something . Im a better person than the people im running against. I see it. [ cheers and applause ] all right, Mark Halperin, im not exactly sure where to begin there but i think i will lets talk about one area of all the things that he said that actually does have an impact moving forward, something that Chris Cillizza at the Washington Post yesterday about ted cruzs evangelical problem. Ted cruz is so dependent on evangelical voters, they make up three out of four of his voters, maybe four out of five of his voters and yet you have donald trump beating him with evangelicals in the deep south. Thats that certainly limits cruzs way forward, does it not . And what does the cruz camp think they can do to get around that . Well, were going to know a week from tomorrow when all those Southern States vote. If you look at the current polling and the current momentum you would say that ted cruz is going to have trouble maybe even in texas, his home state. The three guys who think they can stop trump now all believe they can stop him if theyre one on one but ted cruz is in the same position as marco rubio with his demographic and john kasich with his which is they dont have him one on one. So i think ted cruz could, theres limited polling but some polling that suggests he could do better with evangelicals and other conservative, tea partiers, if he had trump one on one, but he doesnt. And, again, why in the world should marco rubio or ted cruz get out of the race when they have been so close in all three contests . As far as john kasich, people are you know, your usual suspects that are trying to clear the field are saying john kasich needs to get out of the race. The strength of john kasich doesnt even we dont even see that until we get to the midwest so kasich isnt going anywhere, either. None of them are and ive talked to all three camps about where they think things stand and, again, i think the central miscalculation is by super tuesday and then two weeks later trump may have not just won a lot of states for more momentum but he may have so many delegates that its mathematically difficult to see how anybody could stop him, particularly if he wins the winner take all states. Its a puzzle for the party because, again, look at the limited polling there is. All three of them seem to do very well, particularly cruz and rubio, one on one against trump, but he is very well positioned now in these upcoming states a tonight go back to your question about the evangelical vote, i mean, ted cruz has to figure out how he couldnt beat trump or rubio in South Carolina and yet somehow hes going to beat them in places like arkansas, tennessee, georgia, and alabama, virginia, oklahoma, where trumps strength is going to be, i think, at this point every bit as much as it was in South Carolina where he won decisively. You know, nicolle, there are very smart people that are writing about how Donald Trumps not going to win and how rubio and cruz are going to win and yet if you ask ted cruz where are you going to win . Are you going to guarantee a texas win . No. He would not guarantee a win in his home state. You ask marco rubio, whats the first state than you can win . He brings up florida. Thats worse than the giuliani strategy. Ted cruz has won a caucus. I just im trying to figure out how the kuala lumpcalcul. Theyre going to win without winning . They would be making extraordinary history, right, if anyone were to dethrone trump at this point and the thesis they write around of the National Review piece to that effect and reading the wall street journal this morning which makes this case is this fantasy they here in a oneonone race. I talked to strategists not aloned with campaigns in the race and they said the only way to stop trump is for this to become a twoman race which theres no sign it will do. Can you explain one other fantasy . Trump said something on stage in a mocking way and everybody laughed but he actually struck at a truth there. There is an assumption that well, trumps only getting 35 of the vote, that means 65 of the electorate are against him. Thats not how politics works. Thats not how politics has ever worked. Rubio said that yesterday. Did he really. Ive been hearing that for so long and yet you actually had coming out of South Carolina, south carolinians believing he was the most likely to beat Hillary Clinton. And rubio on his heels in that category only. That was the one bright spot for rubio that night. Yeah, listen, these you can find a poll to really sort of affirm Mark Mckinnon makes this point in last nights episode of the circus. You can find a poll to affirm anything but you have to look at 80 years of political history. Theres never been someone who stacked up a fifth, third, and second place thats become a nominee. Could his be wrong, it could be . Everythings been up side down in this election. Cruz was running as the character guy and thought that was his path and trump and carson theres a fascinating coalition that is eating away at cruzs character argument. The dirty trick in iowa, the his voters arent buying what hes saying so i think the biggest red flag to me is hanging over the Cruz Campaign which is running the most effect i ha ive campaign operationally. But just like trump disqualified jeb by calling him a low energy candidate, hes been calling ted cruz a liar nonstop. For two weeks. A liar, a bad person, how can you be an evangelical when hes a liar, hes a cheater, looking what he did to poor ben carson. And i think cruz has hit a dead end after South Carolina. If he couldnt do better in South Carolina, where is he going to do better at this point. Well sorry, mika, you have Establishment Republicans saying we have to stop trump now, if we dont stop him now it will be too late. That means getting him in a one on one. Which of these two candidate, marco rubio or ted cruz do you ask to get out of the race and why would they ever . I have bad news for the republican establishment, if you were going to stop him, ill tell them what i said to ed rollins when we were talking during the Mike Huckabee thing. If youre going to stop john mccain, you stop him in South Carolina or its off to the races. Because after South Carolina everything picks up, everythings fast, whoever has a momentum going out of those three states iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina they ride in on a rocket through all these states that just come at you a thousand miles an hour. Hes also ahead n tin thep we put up. Theres not a single state poll ive seen in any of these states where trump is behind. Marco rubio and ted cruz are trying to frame themselves as the alternative to the frontrunner. Rubio had an event moved out side to accommodate the crowd. Theres a lot of i can barely i should have worn my high heel boots, i cant see all the way back there. I believe this is our largest crowd in the campaign [ cheers and applause ] marco rubio gets big points right there, making fun of his boot, for the record. Rubio continues in little rock, arkansas, speaking to a rally with 2,000 people and ended the night out west 1500 people in north las vegas, nevada, ahead of tomorrows caucus. Youll recall that nevada is the state the National Review has called rubios firewall noting his team has crafted the grassroot campaign that according to more than a dozen nevada gop operatives and state officials is the most organized and impressive operation of the republican field with the ability to make inroads in the Mormon Community and in las vegas where he lived until he was in eighth grade and with a Campaign Strategy centered on caucus training and voter turnout, rubio is positioned for a strong showing on february 23. Mark halperin, he grew up here, he invested money here, the National Review said in this article forget about the first three states, this is his firewall. They were saying this about a month or so ago when rubio was facing a lot of criticism about not investing they said this is the state that he was putting all of his chips on, so it looks like he should be in a really good position to win. Why are you laughing . He keeps laughing. Because all my reports suggest that trump is going to win this state by the biggest margin of any state hes won yet. I was with rubio at all three of those events yesterday. So we have this thing youve been discussing. The establishment says now is the time to stop trump, were eight days away from trump maybe winning every state on super tuesday. Last night or yesterday from tennessee to arkansas here to a late night rally in vegas how many times do you think rubio mentioned donald trump yesterday in his stump speech . I dont know. None times. [ laughter ] what time is it in vegas . Maybe this is the strategy to wrest the nomination against the frontrunner but many people are pointing to what mitt romney did to gingrich. You are behind, one guy is in danger of running the table, a threat of running the table with momentum and you spend your day giving a very solid stump speech, very well received, pretty decent sized crowds, did not mention donald trump. But hes from nevada. Its his other home state. Hes invested there. I think he may well finish second here. This is a state he needs to win, right . He should win this state. He may well finish second here, although driving here on the strip on the way over here i saw a giant building that said trump but i didnt see buildings that said marco rubio. I dont think hes going to win. Trump has got a big lead here, its his kind of state. Hes worked this state pretty hard. Hes got rallies here. I have no indication marco rubio will win this state. Or come close. It says its his firewall. All right, we get the point. Its his firewall. To marks point, its amazing the degree to which none of the other candidates are talking about the frontrunner. They wont talk about him, theyre not spending money on negative ads, theres a couple hundred of ads. This is a whisper critique about the Bush Campaign now as its now over that even when jeb bush turned his focus to trump and got a lot of credit inside the party for doing so, the paid media didnt follow. So even though jeb turned to a more frontal posture with trump, the paid media was still taking down christie and rubio so this is this has been tried before and you can ask jeb bush how it worked out. The thing is, though, mika, i want to go back as mark brought up a great point. When Newt Gingrich, sort of a trumptype figure, when Newt Gingrich went ahead of mitt romney, mitt romney narrowed his focus on newt and he bludgeoned him. He bludgeoned him to death twice. Coming up into iowa, gingrich went into first place and mitt turned everything he had on Newt Gingrich, destroyed him. Thought he finished him off and then gingrich rose again, won South Carolina, was going into florida, mitt romney just absolutely assassinated his character, tore him to shreds and he won florida. It was ugly but it worked. These guys are going around a political who can only be described as a political colossus that nobody understands and theyre not attacking him. Do you want to be in second and third . I mean, maybe that is the millennial generation, mika, maybe third place is okay for these guys. [ laughter ] everybodys a winner. But unless you think theyre stupid, whats the answer to the question . Why are they not doing this . I dont know, are they scared . I think theyre scared. They r they scared to attack him because every time you attack him he turns on you . Which has always been my operating theory with trump. He attacks everybody and he doesnt do it fair and its vicious because hes learned that stops them from attacking back. It wasnt even just romney, though who went after gingrich, you had surrogates on tv. You had surrogates showing up at gingrich events. You could send to a trump event a trump impersonator and a nancy pelosi and Hillary Clinton impersonator and make mischief there. Theres none of that. Theres no effort to stop him and i think answer is theyre all under this fantasy that if they just do their thing and beat the other guys besides trump in the upcoming contests that theyll get him one on one but i just look at the calendar and think that well wake up march 2 and trump will have, again, right now i think he could win every state on march 2. And when i float that to the other campaign, they dont dispute it. Lets get to other headlines now. In financial news, asian markets advanced overnight. This came as crude oil prices edged up in early trading. Right now u. S. Dow futures are up 190 points. And this morning we are learning about the suspect accused in saturdays deadly rampage in kalamazoo, michigan. Police say 45yearold jason dalton was an uber driver and had no criminal record. He is expected to be arraigned today. Uber said dalton had passed a background check and the company was horrified and heartbroken. Eight people were shot, six of them died. One victim, a 14yearold girl, was pronounced dead for more than an hour when she suddenly squeezed her mothers hand. They were about to prepare her organs for donation when this happened. Doctors then rushed her to surgery. One man tells nbc affiliate in kalamazoo he ordered an uber saturday night thinking it would be safer than walking home after hearing about the shootings. He says jokingly that he asked dalton, who was his driver, youre not the shooter, are you . Dalton was arrested shortly after dropping the man and his family off. So he was. Finally, fbi director james comey is following back following apples refusal to help unlock an iphone belonging to one of the San Bernardino shooters. In a new statement comey wants we simply want the chance to try to guess the terrorist pass code without the phone essentially selfdestructing and without it taking a decade to guess directly. Thats it. We dont want to break anyones encryption or set a master key loose on the land. At the same time, former cia director Michael Hayden took issue with comeys approach in an interview with usa today. In this specific case im trending toward the government but i have to tell you, in general i oppose the governments effort personified by fbi director jim comey. Jim would like a back door available to american Law Enforcement in all devices globally. And, frankly i think on balance that actually harms American Safety and security. General hayden will be our guest tomorrow on morning joe. I dont know how that harms Americas National security. It doesnt. Im sorry how what harms Americans National security . Not being able to get into the iphone. Being able to get in. He was saying having a back door to go into these encrypted messages that trooierrorists ar increasingly using. If i were a terrorist, i would be buying stacks of iphones because i have a company actively defending the privacy right of dead terrorists who shot americans in cold blood. This is madness. Its just absolute madness right now that apple wont turn the phone over. Can i say a couple things . First i agree with you in this particular case but it is more complicated than some people make it out to be. For example, if there is a back door that exists, in other words, if the technology exists for someone to get into any phone, the question is how long is it before that Technology Gets in the hands of the russians, of somebody we dont want but the government isnt asking for the technology. The government is saying here, you do it and let us know i agree with you but the government is saying hey, open it for us. Take your example. Another example and im not here as apple spokesman because i agree with you but i want to make sure we understand the ramifications. Then what happens when the government of china says to apple we have a phone of a guy who we think is a terrorist in china, tell us whats inside it. Well, thats not the case. They are now dealing but that will happen. That will happen. Thats opening the door. That will happen. Well, i dont think its an equal theyre not a chinese corporation, theyre an mesh corporation. But they have to obey chinese law. If theyre selling iphones if there was a slaughter of innocent civilians im not disagreeing with you, i just want to make sure you understand the ramifications. Theyre selling iphones in china, they have to follow chinese law. So it comes down to business and brand and their representation for privacy and practically speaking to what they worry about and i worry a little bit about but im on your side, joe, on this which is what pandoras box does this open Going Forward . Mike barnicle said it a long time ago, this is more of a marketing decision than anything else. I actually think apple is actually damaging itself. I think its an interesting debate. We should do an entire segment on it because theres definitely a door thats opened but i agree as. We it should be. Still ahead on morning joe, if youre marco rubio and people are giving you a hard time for being a bit young, is it wise far super pac backing you to compare you to harry potter . Just wondering. No. Are you sure . I like harry potter . Hes a sweet little boy. Plus, over seven months republicans not named trump have spent 220 million. But as the race shifts south, who has the deepest pockets to take him on . 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No, no, i cant take it i know things look bad now, but just try to visualize another america, one where republicans, democrats and donald trump all get along. Im enjoying watching Hillary Clinton i like ted cruz, hes been very nice to me. As an act of love. This is an issue where bernie and i are in complete agreement. How sweet it is to be loved by you i was perfect. The rest of you morons were flat. Flat . Or flat broke like your casinos . Flat, like the canadian prairie you were born on. Lets dispel once and for all with this fiction that he doesnt know what hes doing. He knows exactly what hes doing, exactly what hes doing. Oops. You want to see something my mother suggested . Go ahead. Goldman sachs says hello hillary, if i get elected, will you tell me what to do . Oh, my gosh Goldman Sachs says hello. [ laughter ] if it wasnt so close to joining us now from washington, Pulitzer Prize winning editorial writer for the Washington Post, jonathan capehart. The state of South Carolinas job market may have affected voters decision on saturday, i mean early on, because sometimes we go a little bit sometimes we do them at 9 15. Well, theres that. But you look at South Carolina voters on a number of levels oh, yes, okay. Here we go. There we go. So we talked about how trump won pretty much across the board and he actually i think did lose among postgraduates, but leave that aside. Lets look at groups where trump did particularly well, those with a High School Education or less where trump got 45 of the vote, well above his 32 or so average and rubio did particularly badly. And lets look at people with lower incomes, below 50,000, where he did a bit better than his overall average and, again, rubio did particularly badly. And so you get to the question of whats going on in South Carolina with their economy and with jobs. So if you take a look at whats happened in South Carolina to manufacturing jobs, and this chart goes back to the year 2000, but what you can see starting kind of at zero as a baseline, you can see the country as a whole has lost 29 of its manufacturing jobs, thats after this socalled manufacturing renaissance that really obviously wasnt much of one that you can see here. And you can see that South Carolina lost 31 of its manufacturing jobs. And so if you here in a situation where you dont have a High School Diploma and where youre earning less than 50,000 a year and 30 of your manufacturing jobs disappear, you here in a state with lower median income, a state with higher unemployment, its not shocking that someone who is talking about trade, closing the borders, dealing with these jobs would resonate. Somebody brought this up last week that bluecollar evangelicals were more likely to go for trump than they were for cruz and this is a great example of where and then the person said who will be voting among the evangelicals in South Carolina . Bluecollar evangelicals, big advantage for trump. This is a good example of actually where youre economically even trumps where you go to church on sunday, in bluecollar evangelicals flooded toward donald trump. If you want to see why trumps trade position has so much resonance, take a look at whats happened nationally to manufacturing in certain categories. Textile and apparels, which used to be South Carolinas singlebiggest industry, 70 of the jobs are gone. If you look at furniture, which is more in north carolina, the neighboring state, 40 of the jobs are gone. And so on. Only in places like food are we kind of holding our own for obvious reasons, you dont move fo food around the world so easily. So trumps antitrade 35 tariffs appeal to lower income less educated workers has a lot of resonance. Is that changing in South Carolina, steve, at small when you fly into charleston, im sure you saw, boeing has a massive construction project under way. You hear about bmw, but maybe not enough to make up for the losses . Exactly. This is one of the great myths that theyve got these new Aerospace Jobs and new foreign car companies, and they do. But theyre not nearly enough to overcome the loss of manufacturing jobs. By the way, the person who has that bluecollar education, just has high school, hes not going to be putting jet engines together in South Carolina. Hes going to be unemployed in all likelihood and voting for trump. As they say also in greenville on a friday and saturday night, youre more likely to hear german spoken on the streets of greenville. That its crazy. A lot of people actually coming into the United States and working at some of these higher tech jobs. Jonathan capehart, lets talk about the depthic side. How big was hillarys win on saturday night . Really big. I think what it did was it calmed down a lot of people, a lot of her supporters certainly who were afraid going up right until the polls closed that she was going to lose nevada and the impact that that would have on her campaign, not only going into South Carolina but Going Forward. So you could hear a collective sigh of relief from Hillary Clinton supporters. You look at the papers today and there are all sorts of stories about how its going to be from this point Going Forward difficult for senator Bernie Sanders in terms of delegates to catch up with her. And i think we showed on way too early senator sanders at the black church in South Carolina and the difficulty he had there in connecting with africanamerican voters and theres a story in the New York Times this morning also highlighting this problem that the senator has. So you take that plus Hillary Clintons win and the momentum she gets from that and, you know, the future for senator sanders doesnt look as bright as it did before the nevada caucuses. It does not and look at where shes headed to, the South Carolina primary in which africanamericans will likely make up more than half of the electorate and the Clinton Campaign has released two new ads, including this one with morgan freeman. She says their names. Trayvon martin shot to death. Dontre hamilton, unarmed. Sandra bland. Sandra bland did nothing wrong. She speaks for a city poisoned by indifference. We need action now. And stands with the president against those who would undo his achievements. Just like shes always stood with us. I think shes poised to do very well in South Carolina. Yeah, thats a very nicolle, thats a strong ad. Very strong add. I saw that. Incredible ad. She certainly looked like she got some of her mojo back watching her victory speech saturday night and, you know, i think that the democratic process with their superdelegates means that the democratic race ends a lot faster than the republican race. I was thinking can you imagine if republicans had superdelegates and they were somehow stacked behind or against trump the democratic process is so much more corruptible i think in the minds of the sanders revolution. I mean, it doesnt feel fair. It is more corruptible and its more you look at the iowa caucus which, you know, its they ostensibly tied. They intentionally try to make it as well as muddy as possible. No transparency there because it is a more corruptible system for the frontrunner. I dont disagree with any of that but at the end of the day as jonathan said what happened in nevada is important. Its important as how trump did in its a turning point. More so, more so. Its hard to see what sanders path is at this point with or without superdelegates. Its fair to ask the question as to whether its even possible for him at all. I dont see does anyone see a pathway for him . Well, lets see what happens on super tuesday. Hes going to have to start doing better with black voters. And well see what happens on super tuesday. But he cant give up a lot of losses on super tuesday. Well see. There are always surprises. All right, jonathan will stay with us. And coming up yeah, you know what ricky bobby says, if youre not first, youre last. In this case, well make an exception. Well show you the closest finish ever at daytona when morning joe continues. Its incredible. We broabout this new car. To get your honest opinion to keep things unbiased, we removed all the logos. Feels like a bmw. Reminds me a little bit of like an audi. So, this car supports apple carplay. Siri, open maps. She gets me. Wow. It also has teen driver technology. 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Here they come to the line this is the finish of the daytona 500. Side by side bouncing off each other. Unbelievable. I think it was denny hamlin. Well, who was it . Hamlin headed down victory lane for the first time at daytona. Its like ted cruz and marco rubio. He edges yeah, except trump is already in victory lane e. They dont know that, they think they won. Well, everybodys a winner. Thats everybodys a winner confetti right there. One one hundredth of a second. This was the closest finish, obviously, in the events history. Now to californias country club for the final round of the pga tours Norther Trust open. Bubba watson lost a slim lead briefly and then regained the advantage and edged the field for a one stroke victory. Its his ninth career tour win and second Northern Trust open and the victory came at the end of a busy week at which, well bubba says he passed a kidney stone. Lets let his words speak for himself. I passed two in the last five years. Best way to say it is it shot aoude. No pain, never any pain but i dont know if youve ever had red liquid come out. Its scary. [ laughter ] so this so sunday i made the cup, i missed the cut at pebble and i that sunday morning playing with the kids i had to go take a bathroom break and same thing, is red liquid came out. I said this aint right. We called the doctor here, they set me up with a place, i landed monday morning, went, i did a ct scan in 30 minutes after the ct scan, again, just downing water, thinking its going to be the same thing. Five years ago he said there was one more in my system so obviously it decided this week was the my baby came out i guess. What is going on here . Why did he give us that information . It shot out who said journalism was dead. Im impressed . Does he know that thats perhaps something you say, like, at home to a family member. I think its sweet no, no. Hes sharing, theyre opening up. Why does he have to share with us . Nothing along those lines but theres a lot of pressure on them to share. It makes his success look even more no. Sorry, no. It just gives us a mental vision we just dont want to have. I dont get golf. I dont get it. Up next, its sobering to remember what the next president will inherit. Richard haass of the council on Foreign Relations jumped in early and regrets it and gives us his take next on morning joe. Hbor boy. neighbor yeah, so were just bringing your son home. He really loves our wireless directv receiver. dad he should know better. Were settlers. We settle for cable. But let us repay you for your troubles. Fresh milk for the journey home . neighbor we live right there. dad salted meats . neighbor no thank you. dad hats then vo dont be a settler, get a 100 reward card when you switch to directv. Iher lifes work has been about breaking barriers. Age. And so would her presidency. Which is why, for every american whos not being paid what theyre worth. 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This morning, isis is claiming responsibility for a series of bombings in syria yesterday that reportedly left nearly 130 people dead. A Syrian News Agency reports three bombings near a shiite shrine in damascus and that many of the injured were women and children. At the same time, u. S. Secretary of state john kerry said yesterday that washington and moscow had negotiate a provisional deal on a truce in syrias civil war. World powers hoped to see a ceasefire go into effect on friday. Lets bring in the president of the council on Foreign Relations richard haass. Richard, is there going to be a peace deal that works . No, because john kerry is showing the problems. When you try to do diplomacy and the situation on the ground is going in one direction and youre going in another direction, you wont succeed. I dont care how many hours he puts into it, how earnest he is, you cant succeed if the facts on the ground are aligned against you. Lets talk about an issue thats going to have an impact on Great Britain and the continuing battle with e. U. , boris sort of stabbed the Prime Minister in the back yesterday. Tell us about it. Several years ago, Prime Minister David Cameron in order to keep his Party Together decided to have a vote, a referendum on britains relationship with the european union. Its now set for june 23. One of the most powerful competitors to him in the party is the mayor of london whos more pop lust and he came out against it. What this does is shows this vote could go either way, stakes are enormous for britain. It could mean if it goes out, not only economic consequences but it could mean things for scotland and revoting. And Boris Johnson politically wants to be camerons successor, right . If cameron loses the referendum, i dont think hes in a survivable position, youll have an open vote in the party and Boris Johnson, now the de facto head of the opponents, stands a decent chance of beating him. Thats a Significant Development isnt it . A change in leadership would be huge, as richard implied, bigger would be the question of whether britain leaves the e. U. And i know the conventional view is britain should stay in the e. U. Im not quite as sure. I think theres real issues around it. It puts britain in the middle of the whole european mess, whether you talk about immigration or regulation controlling your own destiny. Its a fair question. It might be for britain but for us its one sided. The United States needs britain and europe. Its a powerful voice for moderation. I think britain unravels. It wont just leave europe. I think the United Kingdom will become the disUnited Kingdom if they leave europe. Lets talk about elections in iran. Whats the impact on the negotiations . Elections in iran, you wont have to stay up all night, joe, i want to reassure you. The exit polls wont be critical. You know, ironically enough you know who the National Review says will win. Marco rubio. Stop it its his firewall. The guardian council, this appointed body that vets the candidates and theres two elections, one is for the parliament, the other is for the assembly of experts that chooses next ayatollah, they have so vetted the contestants that most people in iran see no reason to vote because they any the outcome is preordained. And it is, right . As a matter of fact they have a point. So the quote unquote elections or democracy whatever you want to call iran, its all quote unquote. Its so guided that the results of the elections are preordained. It will lack legitimacy. The regime is urging people to vote. Richard haass, stay with us. Jonathan cap ha jonathan capehart, thank you for everything. And up next, House Majority leader Kevin Mccarthy is next. Much more morning joe ahead. If you need advice for your business, legalzoom has your back. Our trusted network of attorneys has provided guidance to over 100,000 people just like you. Visit legalzoom today. 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Watch discovery. Record this. Voila. Remotes, come out from the cushions, you are back. The x1 voice remote is here. A. Up next, its the big question heading into the next phase of the republican primary where will jeb bushs backers with the big money go after spending 34 million in january alone . One of the best money men in the business, the New York Times Nick Confessore is hear what a look at whos in the best shape were going to listen to nick unless theres a trump speech, then well cut away. Well cut away if him immediately if donald trump takes the podium. He was on this network yesterday explaining trumps success and he said well, every time the guy gives a speech, he doesnt need to spend money, networks cut away. And at that moment i said sorry, weve got to see donald trump, hes speaking in atlanta right now. He was like check mate next on morning joe. Listen to this. We won with everything. We won with women. I love the women. We won with women. [ cheers and applause ] we won with men. Meh. Id rather win with women, to be honest. But thats all right. We won with evangelicals. Like unbelievable. Unbelievable. We won with the military. [ cheers and applause ] oh, oh, oh. We won with highly educated, pretty well educated and poorly educated. But we won with everything. Tall people, short people, fat people, skinny people. Just won. And wearing the same out fit, the same exact out fit, richard haass. What are you buying for . I think we know who his Foreign Policy advisor is going to be. Its a wellchosen outfit, richard. Richard would not be that shameless. Welcome back to morning joe. Its the top of the hour. Still with us on set, former treasury official and morning joe economic analyst steve rattner. And, of course, the president of the council on Foreign Relations, richard haass. Its going to be working i i think, in the trump administration. I think he might. I think he might. Political writer for the New York Times nicholas confessore. And in nashville, tennessee, jon meacham. Id love for you to comment on the events of the last weekend, jon, and specifically how you have to establishment simultaneously squealing and in a real state of selfdenial whenever political operative weve talked to around the table sounded like dandy don on monday night football. Turn out the lights, the partys over. Right. Well theres been a bush on the Republican National ticket for six out of the last nine president ial elections. Its a remarkable achievement as a family and that in this generation this came to an end this last weekend. His jebs grandfather first ran for the senate 66 years ago. Was elected 64 years ago. So a big chunk of American History has reached a new chapter. I think the establishment in so far as there is one is in den l denial. At a certain point, numbers dont lie and i think thats where the republican primary race is right now. And Nick Confessore, talk about money. You can look at everything that trumps done electorally and its very impressive, more votes than anybody in the history of the Iowa Caucuses other than the guy that beat him. Just a what the National Review called a Dumpster Fire in New Hampshire because trump walloped the bluestablishment s much. And then in South Carolina taking on the pope and everybody else hes up he wins by double digits. So lets put all that to the side. Now just look at the money. Hes doing this without spending much money at all which undercuts everything we all thought we knew about big money in politics coming in. Trump and sanders. It turns out if you have your own money, first of all, you need less of other peoples money so hes raising a ton of money from small donors and hes loaning himself money. Hes not penniless, hes loaning himself money but compared to jeb bush who spent 100 million for fourth place finishes, its astounding. And Bernie Sanders as weve spoken about has created a whole new model that is pure small donors at president ial scale fund raising which we havent seen before in modern history. So, tell me, is there going to be, do you believe, a longterm impact on right to rises failure . Because a couple months ago when i thought his opponents were whistling past the graveyard but they said, yeah, sure, hes got over 100 million to spend in his super pac commercials but they charge, like, 10 times as much for those ads than what they have to charge candidates. So youre just not getting the bang for your buck. And we were talking this weekend. Donald trump puts out a tweet about the pope or instagram about bill clinton and he gets more impact than 100 million in ads. Look, theres a whole new model that donald trump has pioneered here. If media is the single most expensive cost in a Traditional Campaign or you can get it for free with your own social media accounts, it takes away this gigantic cost. On the other hand, i think some of bushs money had an impact. It took some bark off marco rubio in these last two primaries and this will have an impact on him Going Forward but its astounding that 80 million in positive ads about jeb bushs record could not persuade people he was the right person at the right time. Even a fake tweet benefits him. But as you pointed out, joe, this isnt the first time in history this has happened. John connolly, phil gramm, youve had people in the past spend a lot of money and have nothing to show firt. I wonder whether anybody besides donald trump could pull this off, could get so much free media that you dont need spend all that money on ads. A good question. Hes a master of this but, look, Bernie Sanders again has also been able to do without the big donor class. Hes not needed them. I think to do it without but hes raised a lot of money. To do it without any money requires a special talent but the reason donald trump is winning in South Carolina is he has expose this class divide within the gop built around wall street and immigration and trade and he said im going to actually speak up for what you see as your interests on these issues, these other guys will not. And that alone is a powerful message. I want to say again, ive brought this up several times, mika, this is a class divide that has been in republican politics since 1994. When we took over congress in 1994, our strongest socioeconomic group voting for us, people earning 50,000 and less. We were skeptics on trade, just unfettered free trade. We were skeptics on a lot of other issues that were talking about right now. And it was where conservatism and populism came together, donald trump what donald trump is doing, weve talked about it before, jon meacham, what hes doing is ma what pat buchanan did in 92 and 96. Its what ross perot did in 1992. You can go back to George Wallace and 1972. But it goes back first to a guy you wrote a book about, andrew jackson. Yeah. Absolutely. You know, you have an outsider who is saying things, seems to be speaking for people who feel disenfranchised. Who feel that the system itself does not work for them, that its rigged against them, you know, the this is for mika, but the key text of american populism is a veto message that jackson wrote in 1832 where he talks about how, you know, if fall rivers from the government affect everyone and falls on us like the rain, thats fine, if it falls for the privileged and the few than its wrong and thats a large part of the argument here. The other thing thats going on, and this is somewhat shakespearean, is that as youre saying, the landslide of 1994 was in many ways a reaction to jebs father changing his mind and breaking the no new taxes pledge in 1990. And that gave rise to a populist energy that helped create the political atmosphere we now have a quarter century later. But perot and buchanan did not make it. No, but the reason its having real traction now, you have to stagnation of middle incomes and also youve got this rapid rate of technological innovation and all these jobs are being displaced and theyre not coming back. So i think its the context that also really explains why this is having such traction. Youve had 20 more years of the trends that buchanan and perot were first picking up on when they were talking about jobs leaving america which really started in earnest the late 60s early 70s, sped up by globalization in 78 when china opened up and you move forward to 94. But 20 years later weve seen, as steve just showed with his charts on manufacturing in South Carolina, its exploded and this a message both parties look weak on. This its a message both people want to hear but regardless of who wins i hope we dont exactly do what some of these play books are saying because we can all have concerns about free trade, i have a lot of concerns about free trade, but putting a 35 tariff on everything we import is not a good outcome. At the same time, steve, you wrote a column in the New York Times that i agree with completely. Its one thing to its one thing to not put tariffs on it, its not thing to bow at the altar of unfettered free trade under any circumstances and say that its always best for the people and always best for the workers when ewe have 50 years f trade deals that prove thats not the case. You wrote a great toll lum for the times that people need to read. It needs to be fair trade, free trade but smart trade. And i can tell you as a member of congress, you were painted the president , whoever it was, republican or democrat, would come up with a free trade deal and it was like youre either for this or youre a neanderthal and there was no middle ground and that thinking was reinforced by the opinion pages of the wall street journal and far too often the New York Times and its the fix has been in for unfettered free trade under any circumstances and there are workers from New Hampshire to South Carolina that, as your column said, felt the brunt of those deals. Very great for 1 , very great for the corporations, very great for people that want to move jobs and products across the globe, not so great for somebody that used to have a goodpaying job in a manchester factory more to a textile mill in South Carolina. Fine, but lets also remember theres other pieces to this puzzle of the populist economic policies that are scary. We understand. Im just trying to see even when i try to promote your New York Times article, youre kicking me and it makes me sad. Im on your side. Im not kicking you and im saying thank you very much for doing that. But can i add one other thing . Quickly, yeah. The economic policies in this package are not just about free trade. Theres a bunch of other stuff there and some of it is kind of scary. Right. Andrew jackson destroyed the American Economy in a version of antiwall street fervor similar afall us go to what were seeing to say. And its not going to happen here because obviously you have a congress whos bought and paid for by wall street so there will be a nice balance. We need go to news. One last thing. Weve been trying to get to news for seven minutes. Theres got to be an emphasis on education and retraining. Jobs are disappearing not simply because of trade and foreign competition, but because of new technologies. These jobs arent coming back. Unless these workers get trained and reeducated as they get older, we have to think of a different education system. High school and college wont be enough anymore. People in their 40s 50,s and 60s will have to get retrained . Vocational training, we keep talking about it, some president ial candidate needs to jump on it. Im just saying i think this is the moment when the working class white people in the Republican Party are reclaiming the economic agenda of their party for themselves. Thats whats powerful here. Its fascinating to watch. Marco rubio and ted cruz are trying to frame themselves as the alternative to the frontrunner. Rubio rallied about 4,000 people in franklin, tennessee, yesterday. An event that was moved outside to accommodate the crowd. Theres a lot of i can i should have worn my high heel boots that i had on. I cant see all the way back there. [ laughter ] i believe this is our largest crowd in the campaign [ cheers and applause ] thats very funny. Rubio continued the day in little rock, arkansas, speaking to a rally with 2,000 people. Big crowds. Really big crowds. Ended out the night with 1500 people in north las vegas, nevada, ahead of tomorrows caucus. Youll recall the sate is the state the National Review called rubios firewall. Noting his team has crafted the Grassroots Campaign that according to more than a dozen nevada gop operatives and state officials is the most impressive operation of the republican field. With the ability to make inroads in the Mormon Community and in las vegas where he lived until he was in eighth grade and with a Campaign Strategy centered on caucus training and voter turnout, rubio is positioned for a strong showing on february 23. Again, you look at the Mormon Community and you look at the fact that he lived there, his first home to lose i guess eighth grade. Yup . Was it eighth grade. And then you look at this. Theyve been planning for a long time for it to be his firewall so it should be a big win for him. But ted cruz also campaigning in nevada yesterday dismissed rubios ability to win. He was asked what state can you win . You werent able to win in iowa, you werent able to win in New Hampshire, you werent able to win in South Carolina, when can you win a state . And the answer he gave is he said well, i think we could win florida on march 15. Now, thats a fairly amazing admission that they dont believe theyre going to win here in nevada. Apparently they dont believe theyre going to win any states on super tuesday. So says the man, Mark Halperin, who would not even guarantee a win in his home state of texas yesterday and we keep talking about and since everybodys our friend we dont want to embarrass them on the columns but we keep talking about columns from the gop establishment that remain in denial about this. When you have these two candidates that wont even guarantee that they can win anywhere. One of the funniest talking points i think is these other candidates who say well 70 of the republican electorate is rejecting donald trump. Will, 80 of the republican electorate is rejecting marco rubio and ted cruz and john kasich. They dont have a rational, clear, even semilinear way to describe how theyre going to stop him right now so theyre doing their best to come up with talking points. But i think, i said before, someone has to take him on and someone these say im going to stop trump here. This is going to be where i stop trump and prove to people that i can beat him. Theres no indication any of the three are doing that. Lets talk, nick, about money right now. Its one thing, and i understand that nevada is rubios firewall, but once you get past nevada and South Carolina and New Hampshire and iowa suddenly it explodes and people that have never run a president ial race who have been around a president ial race dont understand theyre now sort of like shooting through a tunnel on a bullet train where the races come at you so quickly you cant even raise money fast enough to be able to spread it around to 12, 13 states. Thats right. Look, nevada is the end of the line for the candidates who say i people going to win this one state, that will be it. Whats true about both kasich and rubio is that according to their last filings, they were both running out of money. Kasich really so. A Million Dollars, maybe, the most. Rubio better 4, million. But their super pacs are also dry. So theres no artillery coming in. And after that nevada caucus, to compete in 12 states at once you need a lot of money if youre going to do it the right way. Its very hard to see how rubio oar kasich can do that with the cash we saw them having. But the cash the numbers you have were as of the end of january, right . So the question will be whether coming in second in South Carolina allows for more money. I was going to ask Mark Halperin that. Mark, the rubio people were telling reporters off the record that they had to do well in South Carolina because they just had enough money to make it through South Carolina. Did what was in effect a tie for second place, behind by 11 points, theed they give rubio enough momentum to get new voters piling in opentohelp him through super tuesday . I dont think theyre going to get jeb bushs donors as fast as theyre hoping. Theyll wait for a signal from jeb bush. But i dont think theres any doubt the super pac will be replenished and the rubio operation has done its advertising through the super pacs. I will not say that money is all that important because trump isnt spending very much, either. Cruz has some but president ial politics is about earned media much more than paid. No one seems to be running ads that are breaking through. But if i can respectfully disagree, tell me why im wrong here, i think donald trump has the advantage where you have 13 states on the same day because hes been a celebrity for 35 years. People know him in tennessee. People know him in alaska. People know him in minnesota. N a way they dont know rubio or ted cruz or. He was on a prime time Reality Tv Show 12for 11 years. Youre right but it would take hundreds of millions of dollars which no candidate thought they had to make up for tha that. I think youre only going do it by going on jimmy kimmel. Doing a satellite tour with local tv stations. You have to have a message that competes with trumps. You have to take on trumps message and do in the the news immediate media. Havent we seen states where youre in massachusetts or talking about georgia or oklahoma, states where nobodys been. Trump seems to have a bigger advantage than in those states where they were campaigning together . Well, but i dont think that was because of paid media, thats because of the Grassroots Campaigning where people got to meet people face to face. My point is now that we pass the states that are closely held and youre holding big rallies and the story everyday trumps story is going to be his massive rally everyday. I dont know what rubio will be or what cruzs will be. It just seems like all the advantages shift to trump becauseits its a mile wide and inch deep. But not by straining your schedule to raise 3 million that wont go very far. You can spend that in texas alone. The way to combat it is earned media. That gets you coverage in 50 states rather than thinking you can raise enough to make up for years of the apprentice. Its not worth it. Its several Million Dollars. It will go in a heart beat over those states. So when youre talking raising money, you look at the messag message, heres a comparison. Rubio is the youthful boy wizard harry potter and donald trump is voldemort. In a letter yesterday, the conservative Solutions Pac challenged the notion trump is unstoppable. Their reasoning, trump hag as claim to onethird of the republican vote but that share will not grow as the gop field shrinks and once the field does, the remaining voters coalesce around rubio who will beat trump. So the memo compares trump to voldemort and the other remaining gop candidates are what are those things . Or cruxes . Or cruxes. Objects that preserve the immortality of voldemort until theyre destroyed one by one. The memo did include the following caveat, note, we are not calling donald trump evil. [ laughter ] come on you call him the haharry potter equivalent of i have to say, voe voldemort was a far more frightening comparison. Dont compare him to harry potter. It might remind people of how youthful he is. Richard haass, thank you so much. Were addressing in trump wear this morning, trying to get a position in the administration. Nick and meacham, stay with us. Still ahead on morning joe, House Majority leader Kevin Mccarthy is here in the studio. He says the republican nominee has to have an optimistic agenda for the future and experience matters. Well find out who in the field hes talking about. Youre watching morning joe, well be right back. Does a freshly printed presentation fill you with optimism . Then you might be gearcentric. Right now, get 25 back in rewards on hp ink, toner, and paper office depot officemax. Gear up for great ®. Beth, i hear you calling. S but i cant come home right now. Me and the boys are playing. All nig t text beth, what can i do. [siri ] message. Pick up milk. Oh, right. Milk. Introducing the newly redesigned passat. From volkswagen. I like marco rubio, hes a good friend. However, i saw him being destroyed by Chris Christie and if you think that thats all theyre going to get, bhaj the Clinton Obama machine are going do to him. Chris christie is just a bully. The Clinton Obama machine with the media are going slice his throat. Because thats how ruthless they are. And we need somebody whos willing to fight back. Well, that was kind of graphic. Yeah, this morning has been kind of graphic. Strange. Kidney stones shooting out, slicing throats. Come on, kids. Lets stop. Its the morning. That was republican congressman Raul Labrador explaining why he picked ted cruz over marco rubio after his first choice rand paul dropped out. Joining us now, House Republican Majority Leader Kevin Mccarthy of california. Please dont be so graphic. Kevin, what do you think of the state of the republican race right now. Tell it to us straight. Is panic setting in yet . Not panic. But this feels like im if california. This feels like the special election when Arnold Schwarzenegger went on the tonight show, i was in the state assembly at the time, i was the republican leader, theres a lot of similarities even down the fact that they replaced trump with arnold on the apprentice. So its a movement where people have not felt it. They think they didnt see it coming and its just overtaken. People are fed up with everything that has gone on so they want to see a fundamental change. And thats what were seeing in the polls. Nicolle, does that sound familiar . And keeping with this idea of cleaning house, that was arnolds message, he campaigned with brooms. Were not going to take it anymore, twisted sister, i think trump uses that. I called trump political chemo, that that was a harsh analogy. But hes the only chance of killing the cancer thats the corrupted establishment. Im sure in california people that resonates in california where people are disgusted with washington. It kind of resonates across the country right now, everywhere you go. So what do republicans behind closed doors talking about . Whats the concern about this election . You say theres no panic. Nothing to be afraid of . Theres panic grent groups. Describe that pang. I think people have moved i think its the same panic theyre probably feeling in the Democratic Party. They didnt think bernie would be where hes at to now. I personally believe its down to a twoperson race. The strategy i thought cruz probably had the best ability of his mapping out but not winning in South Carolina, thats very difficult now for him. The bigger advantage is to trump. Hes got to momentum. Theres more than a 50 chance hes the nominee. I think thats whats setting in for a lot of people. Could they get their heads around trump . If trump were the nominee, certainly everybody around the table this morning feels like you, theres a better than 50 chance that he wins this thing. You think he can work with donald trump . Oh, yeah, i think it will work with donald trump. Do you think you can work with donald trump better than ted cruz . Be honest, be honest. Thats an unfair question because but you know exactly what ted cruz did during the Government Shutdown. He would come over, he would not only undercut senators he worked with, he would undercut you. Im not being negative at all because i was a bomb thrower when i was there as well but youve got to i mean, you have to be there have to be scars there for what ted cruz did inside your caucus to undercut you and lead the Republican Party through a Government Shutdown that was devastating. Okay. But you could play that into the fact, i think, rubio was there with him and look how many people are backing rubio. I think a lot of those tried to use that angle for themselves to run for president. I think if they became the nominee they would try to be a different person. So you think you can work with cruz . I think i can work with anyone that comes out to be the nominee, yes. Fundamentally, whoever wins the nomination wants to be successful. Would john kasich be a good president . I think john kasich would be an excellent president. I think he would be on paper he seems like the very best. I always had this philosophy that i think governors its a better Training Ground to be president. They cant print more money, they have to balance the budget. They pick a cabinet, they run agencies they didnt create and make them effective. And you have to make a decision at the end of the day. When youre house and senate you have to play the politics but as a governor you have to work with both sides. I would argue that not only if you think on paper hes the very best then why wouldnt you also think in terms of his presentation and his performance at the debates, his civility, his humanity, what hasnt been the very best about kasich . Well, i tell you, what i felt it was personally moving when i watched was it the Young College student get up and talk and then hug him. So why wouldnt he be the one you get behind. Thats the character i want in a person. Look, theres a lot of people that have not become president that i think would do a very good job as president. You have to get elected. Thats our system so maybe you didnt catch on fast enough, maybe you didnt engage fast enough. Donald trump has taken the oxygen away from a lot of people where they dont have the opportunity and a lot of people through no fault of their own, they ran a conventional campaign when the American Public does not want convention. Lets go to Mark Halperin. Lets talk about john kasich. One of the most impressive candidates, one of the best resumes had one of the most moving moments in South Carolina and possibly the entire president ial campaign. Absolutely. Ive heard hes short of money. How does he make it through to home territory, which is the midwest . Well, hes got enough money to pay the bills. I think his hope is to do well in the northeast states, vermont and massachusetts on super tuesday and then do very well in michigan where he spent a lot of time and despite the ohio state michigan rivalry and win the winner take all vote in ohio and as the last governor standing the leaders statement about john kasich is shared by many people that on paper hed be the best. Ive been surprised at how people are dismissing him and saying, as marco rubio does, that this is a threeman race, not a fourman race. Isnt that outrageous . I expect the candidates to do that. I think its outrageous that a lot of the media, especially on the right, are already demanding that john kasich get out of the race when hes not even gone to his home field yet. Not just on the right, politico has written several stories not everyone mentioning john kasich or basically saying this is a threeperson race. But with the leader when you said its a twoperson race, are you saying trump cruz or trump rubio . I see more trump rubio. Because i think cruzs whole strategy of winning, he didnt plan on trump and when you look at going through the evangelical vote and others, he lost that. And the reason why i say that, though, rubio stumbled in New Hampshire so i didnt know he was going to come back. That was actually a good win. Now, dont take anything away from donald getting the delegates but rubio coming back in South Carolina, that was what state can he win . Rubio cant even name a state he can win. Thats very difficult. Thats why advantage goes to trump and momentum happens. What state can ted cruz win . Texas. But hes not even sure he can win texas. I think this race is going to come to fruition march 15. Its winner take all. If rubio cant win florida, its difficult. Its over, yeah. Momentum matters at this time. You were right about money. You have to do things differently. The person who spent the least amount of money is leading so you have to think about how to do this . So if youre a downballot republican, which candidate do you want at the top of the ticket in the fall . Depends. If im a downcandidate republican in miami i want rubio. If im wanting to get independents and others theyre going say trump can bring you those. Its an all different play of where you are. I think a lot of things will play into the race before we get there. A lot of people never thought trump could become the nominee but he can. You have to get your head around that. In the house we have a responsibility. We have to go lay out our agenda. Our agenda anybody could capture that agenda and run with it. Does it hurt your agenda. I think there are a lot of misperceptions buts that rubio would be better everywhere than, say donald trump. If im kelly ayotte in New Hampshire, i want donald trump on the ballot because we saw what happened in New Hampshire. A lot of democrats, a lot of working class independents voting for him. Its just not that simple. You need a candidate that will pull more than just republicans. How about his insults for your speaker paul ryan. Duds that make it harder for anyone in the caucus . I believe people become president who are optimistic conservatives. I dont think you bring more people to the table when you criticize people in that process. I think its hard to criticize paul ryan, though, too. When you look at the big spectrum of life, this makes paul more powerful. What is paul leading the congress to do . Ideas, tax reform, poverty and opportunity. And i think people will turn towards that. And whoever is the nominee is going to look to our agenda and capture it. 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Reporter trump looking ahead to another firstplace finish in nevada, perhaps unstoppable now, though his rivals are trying to. If you believe we need a strong contrast with the democrats [ applause ] then we welcome you aboard our team. Reporter but cruzs disappointing thirdplace finish in South Carolina may mean more pressure to perform in next weeks super tuesday primaries. Cruz ultimately hoping for a twoman race but rubio makes three. Pulling in his biggest crowd yet in tennessee, facing a few line of attack from trump whos refusing to rule out questions about rubios eligibility for the white house. The florida senator born in the United States, his parents born in cuba. Im going to spend zero time on his interpretation of the constitution with regards to eligibility. Key to rubios strategy . Staying in the race long enough to bring together the establishment wing. Were still going to have a primary, its a smaller field this morning than it was, i smaller by one. The end of the road for jeb bush, the end of the line for now for his familys president ial political dynasty. Tonight i am suspending my campaign. No yes. Thank you very much. Reporter but after that emotional speech, the scramble for his supporters and his donors and new this morning, the rnc launching a fresh attack aimed at Hillary Clinton for her performance in South Carolina in 2008. The damage between the clintons and the africanamericans in this country might be irreparable. So the Republican Party looking ahead to the general election. The head of the rnc reiterating that promise to back whoever the nominee, whether its trump or cruz or rubio or whomever. This morning donald trump is doing what donald trump does, hitting twitter and bragging about his win in South Carolina on saturday. Check throughout tweet. He says a number of months ago i was not expected to win South Carolina, ted cruz was, yet i won in a landslide, every group and category. Win. Capital letters, exclamation point. As you know when we look at the exit polling, trump won with w evangelical, people who have served in the military, people who didnt have College Degrees so he does have the ability to lay claim to having seized victory in those groups. Hallie jackson, thank you very much for that. Nicolle, let me ask you really quickly. Its interesting. Hes still hammering ted cruz. Still hammering ted cruz. There are people in Florida Politics with great connections in Florida Politics that keep telling me hes not hammering marco rubio because they hear, they believe that marco rubio and trump have signed a n nonaggression pact and that rubio would be trumps Vice President and i said thats crazy but you start thinking about frank luntz fluttering between marco rubio and donald trump. Maybe not so crazy. Fluttering back and forth. Tell me, whats the toughest thing Marco Marco Rubio will not attack the frontrunner. Trump will not attack marco rubio. Well, you could make that case for Chris Christie, too, they never attacked each other, either. Thats different. Donald would go after the bridge, donald would talk but more with a political listen, i dont believe that people make nonaggression pacts and certainly not donald trump who is the memetaaggression guy. And frankly trump has called rubio soft and weak on immigration more than any other opponents. I think trumps been harsher on rubios immigration history than cruz has. And trump has even questioned whether marco rubio is able to serve which i dont begin to understand. In relation to all of trumps other sort of brutality against his opponents he perhaps hasnt been as brutal on rubio but its the level of aggression. A brutal critic. But everybody is saying his only opponent is rubio. Hes picking up more of cruzs people. Hes edging in on evangelicals. Joining us from chicago, executive editor and cofounder of real clear politics, tom bevin, tom, good to have you on board. Always great to talk to you, tom. Lets go through the states and super tuesday. A lot of people talking about super tuesday. A lot of hosts on the sunday shows asking marco rubio and ted cruz what state they can win in. They couldnt answer. Maybe you can help out. Alabama. Wheres alabama going . Look, southern state, heavily evangelical, a lot of people thought that was sets up well for ted cruz and it probably does but to your point and the point your guests were making, donald trump has done very well with evangelicals. Weve seen him campaign in alabama and have huge crowds so i would suspect donald trump probably has the edge there. Massive crowds. Alaska. Caucus state. A little bit of a different electorate, far less evangelical. Nobody is campaigning there. Nobody will be running ad there is so tough to say whos ahead or knew will come out. Trump was in arkansas a couple weeks ago. Whats arkansas look like . Arkansas, again, another state rubio has been there as well. Great piece in the Washington Post talking about how rubio and cruz are trying to surgically pick off voters in suburbs because they cant compete with trump. His statewide appeal in these states so cruz and rubio are campaigning us in arkansas. So what about georgia . Again, another state where i think a lot of delegates at stake relative on tuesday trump ahead but also cruz and rubio are playing there, especially in the atlanta suburbs. Last poll in georgia had trump up by 10 points over ted cruz. Whoa. Massachusetts. Poll just came out showing trump up like 43 . Hes at the 50 mark. Oh, many i gosh. So, again, i would suspect that hes in pretty good shape. There tom, is it a its so funny, we hear people everyday talking about trumps limits but you start getting out of the first early states and you look to states from massachusetts to georgia to oklahoma, you see trump in the low to midsometimes even the high 40s with five, six people in the race. Yeah. I mean you know, joe, look at the numbers in florida. Trump is at 40 . Including with jeb bush and marco in the race. So this idea his ceiling is at 35 is a fallacy. The numbers dont reflect that. As this race this rungs, well be able to see that more across the board if he really if his ceiling does bump up into the 40s. What about jon meachams home state of tennessee . Tennessee has got im not sure what the latest polls in tennessee. I think hes up a couple point there is but its close. Oklahoma is another place thats close. Cruz is actually pretty close there, as well. Jon meacham, if if there is surprise in any state i would say the one that you are living in may be that state because republicans in tennessee, even though the electorate actually it was the only state that went against obama more in 12 than he did in 08, it is still the state that sent howard baker to the senate, Fred Thompson to the senate, bill fris to the senate and Lamar Alexander to the senate and bob corcoran now to the senate. Conservative republicans but who are also moderate when it comes to working with democrats. No, its crew, although to go to your point about the establishments potential cluelessness on this, i was talking to one of the most Senior Republicans in the state who has seen polling that actually shows trump significantly up in tennessee and then this senior republican said, but i dont know anyone who is for him. And that tells you what you need to know. You know, i always i always said what you cant find anybody now who says theyre for donald trump and when we go to states where he wins by 20 points, just like you cant find anybody now that said they voted for Richard Nixon in 1972 despite the fact he won 49 states. Exactly. Its a similar thing. Lets look at texas, tom. Last poll there i think was early this month had cruz up 5. So trump is right on his heels there and its not a sure fire win, but again, 155 delegates at stake in texas and, you know, i would expect that would be cruzs best haul of the night on tuesday, on super tuesday. That would be. All right. And lets finish, though, nevada. Not so long ago marco rubios team was calling this his fire wall, the National Review was calling it his fire wall. Whats it look look like in nevada for tomorrow night . Trump has a solid lead. We have not a whole lot of data out of nevada, but what we do have shows trump up double digits again and looking in a very solid position. Overall snapshot, super tuesday looks like what . I mean, super tuesday looks like its setting up very well for donald trump and unless to the point that you started this conversation with, you know, where are these other candidates going to win . And if they are not able to win they are going to come away the story on next tuesday is going to be donald trump wins big, maybe even sweeps. Wow. Almost half the delegates, actually, half the delegates of what you need to be the republican nominee or awarded that day. Tom, thank you so much. We hope you will come back. Jon meachum, any final thoughts . It was a huge weekend when you look at the history of modern american politics. You had the embodiment of a great political family who stepped out of the race in the midst of this trump tsunami. And can you talk about how personally the father, george h. W. Bush, wanted his son to run and, you know, ive said privately when people were asking me if jeb wanted to run i said, well, i think he wants to run, but i also know that he knows that his father wants him in there. And i thought jeb was doing this out of a duty to family as much as he was to a duty to country. Well, as early as 07 08 president bush said in my hearing that he hoped jeb would run, that he thought he would be a great president and i dont think it was a matter of pressure, i think it was a sense that, you know, the father adores those sons and lord knows those sons adore that father and thats a family thats served the country with great distinction for a long time and its a moment i think to reflect on their service and to move on as well. Jon meachum, thank you very much. And we will be right back. True measure of a man is in victory and also defeat. 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You know, ive talked openly about my tenstep process toward acceptance, my parents are, you know, big trump people so i try to feel their pleasure in the twists and turns this campaign is taking, but as a republican its really an eye opening process to see a guy that sort of takes a i mean, you and i talked about this on the air saturday night see a guy that has come so far toward the far left wing of the Democratic Party said among 9 11 prevail even among military Republican Voters in South Carolina. Its a mind bender. Its amazing. Whats fascinating is he prevailed especially among military voters. He prevailed among everybody. Yeah. Dominant in every group. Military voters, too. Willie, there are a lot of people that went to fight over the past 10, 15 years and you would think they may have been offended or felt a little more defensive of their former commander in chief, george w. Bush, but they did not and i wonder if thats not just an indictment from the men and women who fought the war of 15 years of endless wars. Yeah, that could be part of it and part of it is maybe they didnt think he was indicting them as military men and women but the leadership that took them to those wars. But it goes to, again, i mean, its the military question, he won evangelicals big, is he a big evangelical, no, of course hes not but hes projecting strength and the military thinks he will step up for them, evangelicals think he will defend them, not in any specific granular way in the big over arching campaign which is strength. What he said yesterday on healthcare, he said stuff on healthcare that would make it tough for a democrat to get elected let alone a republican, he effectively backed into the single payer thing and no one should be without healthcare and so on and so forth. He lives in his own special bubble. Again, and planned parenthood. If a republican told me in the deep south they were going to say planned parenthood does good things, that would be the kiss of death for anybody else. Well, we also have managing editor of Bloomberg Politics Mark Halperin with us as well. Lets get started. Tomorrow is the Republican Caucus in nevada, but many of the candidates are also looking ahead to super tuesday in the socalled sec primary. 595 delegates are at stake in 11 states a week from tomorrow with more than half of those in the south. In atlanta yesterday in front of a crowd of 6,000 people donald trump took multiple victory laps after his South Carolina win. Listen to this. We won with everything. We won with women. I love the women. We won with women. We won with men. Id rather win with women to be honest, but thats all right. We won with evangelicals, like unbelievable. Un we won with the military. We won oh, oh we won with highly educated, pretty well educated and poorly educated, but we won with everything. Tall people, short people, fat people, skinny people. Just won. You know, these politicians that im dealing with, i mean, they are up on the stage, these people, they dont have a crew. Some are nice guys, some i dont like, some i do. Once they leave, they leave. Good luck, we think youre wonderful. How do you like them . Wonderful people. Theyre great. The only category i do badly is in my personality and thats okay. Who cares . And do you know what, do you want to know something, im a better person than the people im running against. I see it. Let me tell you. All right. Mark halperin, im not exactly sure where to begin there. But i think i will lets talk about one area of all the things that he said that actually does have an impact moving forward, its something that chris salizza he Washington Post wrote about yesterday. About ted cruzs evangelical problem. Ted cruz is so dependent on evangelical voters, make up three out of four of his voters, maybe four out of five of his voters and yet you have donald trump beating him with evangelicals in the deep south. Thats that certainly limits cruzs way forward, does it not . And what does the cruz camp think they can do to get around that . Well, were going to know a week from tomorrow when all those Southern States vote. If you look at the current polling and current momentum you would say that ted cruz is going to have trouble, maybe even in texas, his home state. Look, the three guys long they can stop trump now all believe that they can stop him if they are oneonone, but ted cruz in the same position as marco rubio with his demographic and john kasich with his, which is they dont have him oneonone. So i think ted cruz could polling theres limited polling on it but some polling that suggests that he could do better with evangelicals and other conservatives, tea partiers if he had trump oneonone, but he doesnt. And why should marco rubio or ted cruz get out of the race when they have been so close in all three contests . And as far as john kasich, people are you know, your usual suspects that are trying to clear the field are already saying john kasich needs to get out of the race. The strength of john kasich doesnt we dont even see that until we get to the midwest so kasich is not going anywhere, either. None of them are and ive talked to all three camps about where they think things stand. Again, i think the central miscalculation is by super tuesday and two weeks later trump may have not just won a lot of states for more momentum, but he may have so many delegates that its mathematically difficult to see how anybody could stop him, particularly if he does win those winner take all states. It is a puzzle for the party because, again, look at the limited polling there is, all three of them seem to do very well, particularly cruz and rubio, oneonone against trump, but he is very well positioned in these upcoming states and to go back to your question about the evangelical vote, i mean, ted cruz has to figure out how he couldnt beat trump or rubio in South Carolina and yet somehow hes going to beat them in places like arkansas, tennessee, georgia and alabama, virginia, oklahoma where trumps strength is going to be, i think, at this point every bit as much as it was in South Carolina where he won decisively. Nicolle, there are very smart people that are writing about how donald trump is not going to win and how rubio and cruz are going to win and yet if you ask ted cruz where are you going to win . Are you going to guarantee a texas win . No. He would not guarantee a win in his home state. You ask marco rubio whats the first state you can win. Florida. He brings up florida. Thats worse than the Rudy Guiliani strategy because thats even further right. Ted cruz has won a caucus. Right. Im trying to figure out no, listen the calculations how do you win by not theyre going to win without winning. They would be making extraordinary history, right, if anyone were to dethrone trump at this point and i think the these sis that they all write around, the National Review piece to that fengt, reading the wall street journal in morning which makes that case is this fantasy that they are on a one on one race. I talked to strategists not aligned with any campaigns still in the race and they all said the only way to stop trump is for this to become a twoman race. Can you explain one other fantasy and trump actually said something on stage in a mocking way and everybody laughed, but he actually struck at a truth there. There is an assumption that trump is only getting 35 of the vote. That means 65 of the electorate are against him. Thats not how politics works. Its not how politics has ever worked. Rubio said that yesterday. Really . Ive been hearing that for so long and yet you actually had coming out of South Carolina, south carolinians believing he was the most likely to beat Hillary Clinton. Its just and rubio on his heels in that category only, that was the actually the one bright spot for rubio that night. Yeah, listen, these you can find a poll to really sort of affirm actually, Mark Mckinnon makes this point in last nights episode of the circus, but you can find a poll to affirm anything, but you have to look at 80 years of political history. There has never been someone who has stacked up a fifth, a third and a second place thats become our nominee. Could history be made . It certainly could. Everything is upside down this election. The cruz thing is confounding because he was running as the character guy and actually thought that that was his path and trump and carson i mean, there is a fascinating coalition that is eating away at cruzs character argument. Thats what we said yesterday. The dirty trick in iowa, the you know, his voters are not buying what hes selling. So i think the biggest red flag to me is hanging over the Cruz Campaign which is running the most Effective Campaign operationally. Just like trump disqualified jeb by calling him a low energy candidate he has been calling ted cruz a liar nonstop. Every day for two weeks. He is a liar, he is a bad person, how can you be an evangelical when you are a liar, he is a cheater, look what he did to poor ben carson. To your point i think cruz has hit a dead end after South Carolina. If he couldnt do better in South Carolina, then where is he going to do better at this point . Im sorry, mika. I was going to say you have now Establishment Republicans, people in the press saying we have to stop trump now. If we dont stop him now its going to be too late and that means getting him on a one on one. Which of those two candidates, marco rubio or ted cruz do you ask to get out of the race and why would they ever . I have bad news for the republican establishment. If you were going to stop him i will tell them what i said to ed rollins when we were talking during the Mike Huckabee thing. If youre going to stop john mccain because he called and asked i said you either stop him in South Carolina or its off to the races because after South Carolina everything picks up, everything is fast, whoever has the momentum going out of those three states, iowa, New Hampshire, South Carolina, they ride it on a rocket through all these states that just come at you 1,000 miles an hour. He is also ahead in the map we put up theres not a single state poll i have seen in any of those states coming up where trump is behind. Still ahead on morning joe its a game of who said it, quote, we are not going to let people die in squaller because we are republicans. The answer, donald trump. We are going to get zeke people mules take on how the republican front runner differs from the rest of the field when it comes to healthcare. But first rattner explains how South Carolinas struggling economy drove trumps win. That sounds harsh. Youre watching morning joe. Steve, whats your middle name. 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The state of South Carolinas job market may have affected voters decisions on saturday i mean early on because sometimes we go a little bit sometimes we do them at 9 15. Theres that. But you take a look at South Carolina voters on a number of levels. Okay. Here we go. Okay. Yes. There we go. So we talked a lot about how trump won pretty much across the board, he actually i think did lose among post graduates, but looks at a couple groups where trump did well, those with a High School Education or less, trump got 45 of the vote, well above his 32 or so average and rubio did particularly badly. Lets look at people with lower incomes below 50,000 where he did a bit better than his that his overall average and, again, rubio did particularly badly. And so you get to the question of whats going on in South Carolina with their economy and with jobs. So if you take a look at whats happened in South Carolina to manufacturing jobs, and this chart goes all the way back to the year 2000, but what you can see starting at zero as a baseline you can see that the country as a whole has lost 29 of its manufacturing jobs and thats after the socalled manufacturing serenaissance tha obviously wasnt much of it one as you can see here. You can see South Carolina lost 31 of its manufacturing jobs. If you are in a situation where you dont have a High School Diploma and where youre earning less than 50,000 a year and 30 of your manufacturing jobs disappear you are in a state with lower median income, in a state with higher unemployment its not totally shocking that someone who is talking about trade, closing the borders, dealing with these jobs would resonate. And by the way, somebody brought this up last week, that blue collar evangelicals were more likely to go for trump than they were for cruz and this is a great example of where and then the person said and who will be voting among the evangelicals in South Carolina . Blue collar evangelicals, big advantage for trump. This is a good example of actually where you are economically even trumps where you go to church on sunday and the blue collar evangelicals flooded toward donald trump. If you want to see why trumps trade position has so much resonance, just take a look at whats happened nationally to manufacturing in certain categories. Textile and a perils which used to be South Carolina single biggest industry, 70 of the jobs are gone. If you look at furniture which is more in north carolina, the neighboring state, 40 of the jobs are gone. And so on. Only in places like food are we kind of holding our own for obvious reasons, you dont move food around the world so easily. So, again, trumps antitrade, 35 tariffs appeal to lower income, less educated workers has a lot of resonance. Is that changing in South Carolina, steve, at all . When you fly in charleston im sure you guys saw it boeing has a massive construction project under way, you hear about bmw, but maybe not enough to make up for these losses. This is one of the great myths, they have Aerospace Jobs and foreign War Companies and they do but they are not nearly enough to overcome the loss of the manufacturing jobs. By the way, the person who has that blue collar education, just has high school, he is not going to be putting jet engines together in South Carolina, he is going to be unemployed in all likelihood and voting for trump. In greenville on a friday and saturday night you are more likely to hear german spoken on the streets of greenville. That its crazy, a lot of people actually coming into the United States and working at some of these higher tech jobs. Jonathan, lets talk about the democratic side, how big was hillarys win on saturday night . Really big. I think what it did was it calmed down a lot of people, a lot of her supporters, certainly who were afraid going up right until the polls closed that she was going to lose nevada and the impact that would have on her campaign not only going into South Carolina but Going Forward. You could hear a collective sigh of relief from Hillary Clinton supporters and then you look at the papers today and there are all sorts of stories about how its going to be from this point Going Forward difficult for senator sanders in terms of delegates to catch up with her. I think we showed on way too early senator sanders at the black church in South Carolina and the difficulty he had there in expecting with africanamerican voters. There is a story in the New York Times this morning also highlighting this problem that the senator has. So you take that plus Hillary Clintons win and the momentum that she gets from that and, you know, the future for senator sanders doesnt look as bright as it did before the nevada caucuses. It definitely does not. Look at where shes headed to, the South Carolina primary in which africanamericans will likely make up more than half of the electorate. And the Clinton Campaign has released two new ads including this one with morgan freeman. She says their names. Trayvon martin. Shot to death. Den tray hamilton. Sandra bland and makes their mothers fight for justice her own. She speaks for a city poisoned by indifference. We need action now. And stands with the president against those who would undo his achievements. Just like shes always stood with us. I think shes poised to do very well in South Carolina. Thats a very nicolle, thats a very strong ad. Incredible ad. She certainly looked like she got some of her mojo back watching her victory speech saturday night and, you know, i think that the democratic process with their super delegates means that the democratic race ends a lot faster than the republican race. I was thinking can you imagine if republicans had super delegates and they were somehow stacked behind or against trump. I know. The democratic process is so much more corruptable in the minds of sanders revolution. It is more corrupt i believe. You look at the iowa caucus, they intentionally try to make it as well, as muddy as possible. No transparency there because it is a more corruptable system for the front runner. I dont disagree with any of that but at the end of the day what jonathan said what happened in nevada was really important, as important as how trump did in South Carolina. More so. And its really hard to see what sanders path is at this point with or without super delegates. I think its fair to ask the question as to whether its even possible for him at all. I mean, i dont see does anyone see a pathway for him . Lets see what happens on super tuesday. He is going to have to start doing better with black voters and well see what happens on super tuesday. But he cant he cant give up a lot of losses on super tuesday. Well see. There are always surprises. Coming up on morning joe, back to the drawing board for Bernie Sanders. One top political journalist in nevada explains why harry reid is at the center of the sanders loss and why donald trump could easily walk away with a silver stake. I think rubio will surprise a lot of people. Really . More morning joe when we return. Was engineered. To help sense danger before you do. Because when you live to innovate, you innovate to live. The allnew audi q7. A higher form of intelligence has arrived. Is our partnership with habitat for humanity. 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South carolina, hes here today, hes going to a Prayer Breakfast this morning but they have all but written it off. Her advantage with africanamerican voters here is so shes just so far ahead that theres not really a way for him to compete. So instead you are looking at super tuesday. Step back for a second and look at the map. If you are the Sanders Campaign youre looking at massachusetts, colorado, minnesota, places where you can potentially win, but you have to stack those against the south. Weve talked a lot about the sec primary on the republican side but its just as formidable on the democratic side and largely in favor of Hillary Clinton. You have texas, alabama, georgia, all of those states have huge delegate totals and the democratic process is such that they are all proportional. If sanders is going to ultimately challenge clinton in the long run, he not only has to beat her, he has to rack up delegate margins. With states that are so big that favor her where you have more delegates at stake even if he runs the table in all of these states where they feel like they have some strength the math just gets to be really insurmountable really quickly. They are saying that they want to look a little farther on the map to michigan which votes on march 8th. They think they have a chance there, we saw that huge rally he held in michigan, but again, in many ways this is the flip side of where president obama was in 2008 against clinton. She started running into this very problem where the delegate lead just became insurmountable, thats where she is now. All right. Kasie hunt, thank you very much. Looks like nevada was such a turning point for Hillary Clinton. It really was and its actually coming up for the republicans. Lets bring in right now from Las Vegas Msnbc contributor columnist, john ralston. John, lets start with the democratic side. You know, i predicted harry reid was going to win in 2010 because of the unions and in a race that we expected him to win he seemed to be the one man in american politics who is endorsement and whose connection still could move elections. You say it happened again on saturday. Yeah, it really did, joe. Harry reid came back to the state, saw that Hillary Clinton was in trouble. Of course, hes publicly neutral, but i think he tipped his hand when he called the union, said youve got to get your people out to organize. Remember, the union was neutral this time, back in 2008 they had endorsed obama. So they did. So, john, that makes harry reid such a force . I mean, you know, he is mocked and ridiculed in the national media, they havent been especially kind to him from time to time when quite frankly he didnt deserve a whole lot of kindness, but again, when it comes to ground game he is a man you have to respect and admire it. What is it about his connection with these unions . Well, you use the terms respect and admire. The term i would use is fear. He doesnt come across that way because he doesnt have a lot of charisma, im being kind here this morning, but behind the scenes he is a ruthless force, he is a guy who the unions need in washington for a lot of things, especially the Culinary Union which represents almost 60,000 of the workers right here on the strip where im standing. So when he makes a phone call it means something. He is the one guy in this state and Democratic Politics that if he wants something hes going to get it. Wow. There was a cnn poll on the democratic side that came out that wildly overstated Bernie Sanders support. I think we have the same thing on the republican side that is suggesting that donald trump is way ahead. Isnt this a state that marco rubio, nevada, has invested a great deal in, the National Review even calling it his fire wall right before this process began . Marco rubio has a very Good Organization here, he has reached out to the Mormon Community which you guys know was a big factor in 2012 and 2008 in the caucus here. Mitt romney who is a mormon affected that a bit, but rubio was a mormon for a cup of coffee here while he was a kid so that has helped him. He has endorsements from prominent mormons but, and this is a huge but, you mention the following here. The democratic turn out was lower than what it was thought to be or at least lower than what it was in 2008. The republican turn out here in 2012 was 33,000 voters, thats 7 or 8 . No one expects it to be much more. Joe, you may be right, maybe trumps strength is overstated but the data that ive seen indicates its not and more importantly what rubio and cruz are saying privately, their campaigns, indicates to me that they think what is going on here is what happened in South Carolina which is a pitched battle for second place. John, this term ground game, we hear it over and over again, ground game, ground game, ground game. Against donald trump how important really is ground game, even a state like nevada . Well, listen, trump has changed all the rules, right . He didnt even know what the term ground game meant until after iowa. Im still not sure that he does. Rubio and cruz have good ground games here but the question is does it make any difference when trump could come here and tweet to his 6 million followers and thats his ground game, he will have three rallies here, two by himself and one with his son don jr. Here in the next 36 hours. That could be enough to begin upturn out. When you are only going to be 35,000, maybe 40,000 people trump doesnt need that many of those to do what he has done everywhere else. I still believe as long as you have three, four, five candidates on the ballot he is going to get his and the rest will divide up the rest and thats a real problem. John ralston, thank you so much. I still think with all of his advantages this is going to be a big, big night for marco rubio. Still ahead donald trump promises private healthcare plans dont laugh at marco rubio. Im not laughing at marco rubio. Dont laugh at marco rubio. Hes got a built in advantage. This is his fire wall. He should get at least 60 of the vote, right . No. Do you keep that schiff under the disc. This is his fire wall, the National Review said it. Say it without smiling. No. This is seriously say it without smiling. You guys are all laughing. What are they doing . You are a funny guy. You say it without smiling. You are not letting me talk. This is marco rubios home. It was his second home, he lived there, he was a mormon there and he invested there. Your eyes are smiling into theyre not. National review said forget the early states, this is his fire wall. Youre smiling. Its going to be a big night for him. 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Know that our dedicated teams of local experts offer insight to help you achieve your business objectives. See how working with pnc can help your company grow at pnc. Com ideas do you think that it should be a law that anybody who can afford Health Insurance has to have it . I think no. I think its going to be up to them. Okay . I want it to be up to them, but im really talking about people that cant afford it. We are not going to let people die in some in squaller because we are republicans. Okay . Thats part of the problem with the republicans where somehow they got fed into this horrible position. Were going to take care of people. But, no, people dont have to have it. Were going to have great plans, a lot less expensive than obamacare, private, there are going to be lots of different options. We will have a lot of different options. Right now you have no options do you know why, because the Insurance Company controlled obama because they gave him a lot of money. Thats why you have lines around the states and you cant get competitive bidding. Joining us now former white house adviser for Health Policy and vice provost at the university of pennsylvania dr. Ezekiel emanuel. Good to be here. I do want to say it must be very interesting despite the fact that you have a lot of problems with what he might be saying about insurance and shopping, the obama administration, it is fascinating that you have a republican front runner. Exactly. That has spent the last couple weeks in really conservative states first of all, in New Hampshire, live free or die going, no, im not going to say that i wont support medicaid expansion. Right. And he angered a lot of conservatives, won by 20 points. Comes to South Carolina still defending planned parenthood and he still wherever he goes and here he goes, republicans have to stop being this party of no. Its fascinating. It is fascinating. He is for universal coverage, thats what it says when the poor are getting to get healthcare, he wants universal coverage so he is going back to the republicans of the 60s and 50s who wanted universal coverage, Richard Nixon, for example. He is for medicare, negotiating drug prices, not a very republican kind of position. He is for medicare and medicaid. Expansion of medicaid. Yes. So he has been his intuitions are that way. Now, he doesnt have a lot of advice, he doesnt understand the Healthcare System but i think his intuitions are driving to a universal system that is private competition, subsidizing and helping people, poor people, buy and get into it. Now, that has been a republican tradition for a long time. I was going to say that actually, nicolle, that sounds like a republican version of obamacare. I mean, in a positive way. This is what john shat tick and others and i were saying. If youre going to have universal healthcare lets have it driven with competition with the Drug Companies, the hospitals and insurance companies. Its a lot better message than repeal, repeal, repeal because all people hear at a political level is take away, take away. Ive always said that the message repeal was a wrong one. When an actual person, especially someone sort of on the edge of Financial Security hears youre taking something away from me. If donald trump asks you to a surprise him and help him would you help him . I know if he asks if what youre saying is true what is the Market Driven response . Whats the Market Driven response to universal healthcare . First of all, i would inform donald that we have these exchanges and in the exchanges are private plans like aetna, united, the blue cross and blue shield plans competing for people. I think they are what he likes and, again, ive always believed republicans should like the exchanges and they were invented by republicans at the heritage foundation. I think hes going back to that fundamental intuition, we should have Competition Among private health plans and we should allow people to choose and that will bring prices down. Lets remember in the last five years healthcare costs while they have gone up have gone up slower than they have in previous times partially because of this Exchange Competition and he is right, we have some data in the exchanges the more competitive you have the more you get price control. So i think its a reasonable approach. The problem is he is not sophisticated about it and politico had a story today, i dont know if you saw it, that no Health Expert in the country that they surveyed had been contacted by the trump people to advise them. It seems like hes unpacking obamacare from healthcare. What hes describing is not all that different from obamacare, is it . Correct. I think youre again, what hes describing is a lot of is my good friend Jonathan Cone at hufk ton post said a lot of word salad. Get to the intuition, which is people ought to have coverage in South Carolina they word salad they ate it all. I think his intuitions are fundamentally american. Everyone should have coverage, we should have private competition to keep costs down, medicare and medicaid are there for conservatives like me i always say whats so irritating is we spend more money per patient than any country on the planet. We should be able to do it more efficiently. I will say also there arent a lot of specifics in what donald said but when he started talking about even though the numbers are wildly overblown in his speeches when he talks about Drug Companies compete and this is the dealmaker in him which is we buy more drugs than any other consumer on the planet. Why dont we negotiate good deals . Thats good word salad. Delicious word salad. What i think is appealing about him is his intuitions. Intuition. What people resonate with. The specific policy stuff he is not there and this election is not about those specific policy issues, they are about the big picture and the big picture is it hasnt worked and lets try to get it to work and there i think he does resonate with a lot of people and he does as you point out resonate with the Affordable Care act he just doesnt know it yet. Can you come back in a couple days . Absolutely. Wed love to have you here. Absolutely. Zeke emanuel. Thank you very much. Good to have you on. Im surprised. Word salad. Still ahead, marco rubios fire wall is in evidence darks with you some are saying donald trump may be poised to win nevada, but he may see Something Else at risk on the vegas strip. We will have that story coming up. Pitch you investment opportunities. 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This is the state, he is going to win. No one has done a better job at turning second and third place finishes into momentum than rubio. You have to give him credit for that. Wait a minute. He is not going to have to do that anymore. I think he could win your eyes are laughing. Its his fire wall. Youre laughing. Tomorrow night will be an exciting night. Business has gotten complicated for donald trump ahead of tomorrows caucus in nevada. It has nothing to do with his campaign but everything to do with the group that represents trump hotel employees. Joining us from Las Vegas Msnbc correspondent jacob soeb approve. Jacob. Reporter political observers in nevada say donald trump looks to be in a great position to win the nevada caucus tomorrow night but trump might be about to lose another battle in nevada with the workers at his own Las Vegas Hotel who voted to unionize back in december of 2015 joining workers in 98 of other hotels in the strip and downtown vegas and trumps hotel is fighting back. I spent the night there at the hotel to find out more. Good morning. Welcome to the penthouse at the Trump International hotel las vegas. Pretty nice living room, right . I had a great night here last night. What a view. Check out the stats fear out there. And also i got an amazing kitchen where i had my cove this morning and in this bedroom i had one of the best night sleeps ever. And here is the bathroom. I dont think ive ever been in a more amazing bathroom especially because you can watch msnbc in the mirror. Its a nice hotel no doubt about it and donald trump has generated an enormous amount of enthusiasm and support for his president ial campaign in nevada but the workers at his own hotel arent as thrilled with him. So he guys work at the trump hotel . Yes. Yes. What do you do over there . Housekeeping. You guys, the workers in the hotel, made a vote to unionize with the culinary workers. How come . The other casinos and hotel they make like 17 and we make 14. 40 and its a big difference. Per hour . Per hour. The management at the hotel, mr. Trump and his partner pushed back. How did that make you feel . It scared me. Mr. Trump is coming to town for the election. If you saw him what would you say to him. Had i, mr. Trump, you are a great businessman. You say i want to make America Great. Please, you do hotel trump the same. Hes saying make America Great again but first make the hotel great again. Yes, we need the contract for the hotel. So, guys, the Culinary Union announced yesterday that the National Labor Relations Board has recommended trumps appeal of the unions vote which is not just about salary but also about pensions and even uniforms to be thrown out and for the workers vote to stand. Trump hotel can choose to appeal this again but the union has asked to do negotiations while he is in town for the caucus and the Trump Organization sent the following note to msnbc and myself, they said, quote, the hearing officers recommendations erroneously disregarded the severe dis conduct taken by union agents which impacted a close election. We will continue our fight for a Fair Election for our valued associates many vigorous ri o oppose union representation. This is not expected to affect trumps Republican Caucus support but the fight with one of vegas most powerful unions is an unwanted distraction a day before the caucus. Jacob, thanks so much. Do you know who that has who help . Oh, my gosh. 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Nick, what did you learn . I think i learned that Marco Rubio Might have a fire wall in nevada. Might. Might have a fire wall. You read National Review as well . I do. Thats their take. Also money and politics. Were arguing on the impact its having on this race. Its had a huge impact but not the way we expected. Its opposite day. Do you have a story coming up on that . Yes. Nicolle, what did you learn . I learned that sometimes you can be talking with your mouth but almost always laughing at me with your eyes. What is this . You do do that. Sounds like a hallmark card. Did you learn anything . I did. I want to hear what it is. I was just talking to alex. I just learned from alex that nevada this is really freaky, but i had no idea, nevada is french for rubio. There it is. Its his. Did you know that, nicolle . I dont know anything anymore. Look it up on wikipedia. Im going to put an end to this. Steve kornacki picks up our coverage live in las vegas right now. Have a great day, everybody. Have a great day. And good morning. Im Steve Kornacki live in las vegas. 24 hours away now from the big Republican Caucuses here in the silver state, in nevada, as well as the next contest for the democrats, thats coming up toward the end of the week at the end of the week, in fact, saturday South Carolina democratic primary now on the republican side we are down to just a fiveway race. If you are Donald Trumps decisive victory in South Carolina on saturday night republicans are shifting their focus on tomorrows show down in nevada and then to the big prize next week. Super actuals, more than 600