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good morning. it is friday. welcome to "morning joe." joe, how you doing? >> i'm doing okay. how are you doing, mika? >> i'm good. we have a lot going on this morning. we have the managing editor of bloomberg politics mark halperin msnbc political analyst eugene robinson. along with willie joe, and me. a lot to talk about in the world of politics. but we're going to start with breaking news in louisiana. three years after the movie massacre in colorado, there is a deadly shooting in a theater. here's what we know. police say three people with dead in lafayette including the gunman who shot himself. nine people are wounded. one person is in critical condition. the injured include teens, two people in their 60s. the gunman is being described as a 58-year-old white man. a witness says he stood up about 20 minutes into the 7:10 showing of the movie train wreck and opened fire without saying a word. about 100 people were in the theater. the first two people he shot were sitting directly in front of him. the bodies of the gunman and one of the victims are still inside the theater at this hour. the third victim was pronounced dead at the hospital. we'll be following this story as information comes in joe. and john yang is joining us live from the scene. john? >> mika how are you? this is still a very much an active crime scene behind me. the body of the gunman and one of his victims still inside. he stood up at about 20 minutes into the film and started firing according to the people. 100 people inside the theater. some of it thought it was firecrackers. he tried to blend in as people were leaving. then he saw the police coming in. the authorities say he turned around, came back and went back into the theater and as the police entered, they heard a single gunshot as the gunman shot and killed himself with a semiautomatic handgun. he had that handgun has been recovered. they're searching for a motive right now. he started with two people sitting in front of him. they're trying to figure out if there is any connection between the shooter and those two people or any of the other seven people he shot in the theater. governor bobby jindal was quickly on the scene and spoke of the tales of heroism that are emerging. >> a couple teachers were in that movie theater tonight. both of them were shot. one was released tonight. her friend literally jumped over her and actually saved her life. if she hadn't done that her friend got shot. the fellow teacher got shot. that bullet would have hit her in the head. both teachers were shot. the second one whose life was saved, she had the presence of mind to pull the fire alarm to help save other lives. >> investigators still trying to figure out who this gunman was. they know his name. they're not releasing it. they're trying to find out his background. he did have a criminal record but it wasn't a recent one. mika? >> john yang in lafayette, louisiana. thank you very much. we'll be following this story. we'll join you back when necessary. now, joe to donald trump and his visit to the u.s. border with mexico yesterday. trump stepped off the laredo texas wearing white dress shoes and a white ball cap that said make america great again. trump made the trip at the invitation of a local border patrol agency. they received pressure at the national level not to participate in his visit. and the group backed out. while standing in front of the women's bathroom he spoke about some of the threats he says he faced. >> we're going to make a tour. we're going to the border. and we'll see you later, hopefully we'll see you later. >> they say it's a great danger. i have to do it. there is nothing more important than what i'm doing. i'm the one that brought up the problem of illegal immigration. people are saying oh, it's so dangerous what you're doing mr. trump. it's so dangerous. i have to do it. i have to do it. >> trump then made his way toward the border. his motorcade was dozens of police officers and two chartered buses for the media. a "washington post" reporter described it as bigger than mitt romney's motorcade in the general election. he held a news conference near the world trade bridge that crosses the rio grande. in it he talked about crime and the love of the people there were showing him. >> are you saying there is a danger. if i'm on the border what danger are you talking about? >> there's great dank wert i will danger with the illegals. >> you have seen any evidence to confirm your fears about mexico sending their criminals across the border? >> yes, and i heard it from a lot of people. >> what evidence specifically have you been seeing? >> we'll show you the evidence. >> when? >> we just landed. there were a lot of people at the airport and they were all in favor of trump and what i'm doing. virtually everyone that we saw, there was such a great warm -- i was actually surprised. the reason i won with hispanic vote and win all over with the hispanic vote they know i'll take jobs back from china. i'll take jobs back from japan and every other country that's killing us. i'll bring the jobs back. you know the hispanics will get the jobs. they're going to love trump. they already do. >> mr. trump -- [ inaudible ] >> they weren't insulted. the press misinterprets my word. look, i'm a republican. i'm a conservative. i'm running. i'm in first place by a lot. i want to run as a republican. i think i'll get the nomination. we'll see soon enough. i think i'll get the nomination. the best way to win is for me to get the nomination and run probably against hillary. hillary is the worst, look easily she's the worst secretary of state in the history of our country. she's going to be beaten and i'm the one to beat her. >> you know so there were press conferences, mika. he gave some speeches. there was a back and forth with msnbc's host. we're going to be playing that in a little bit. somebody described yesterday as the best afternoon of mr. trump's life. casey hunt kacie hunt said it was very presidential. it was a massive presence there. it also though if you just want to look at the strategy of it, it is one massive backdrop of the issue that really does seem to be propelling him right now and that is illegal immigration. yesterday, it was out there for everybody to see. this is going to give him a good bump through the weekend, no doubt. >> yeah. in terms of strategy i -- i don't see the strategy. i just see him completely operating on a different lane than everyone else and barrelling forward and the media just following in droves. it's sort of hard to even -- i don't know what to say. do you? >> i'll tell you one thing, mark halpe are r halperin, one thing no one will ever have to say whether giving advice to the donald is let trump be trump. this is 100% unadulterated donald trump every day and night and day. >> let's be more basic. if you're a presidential candidate, what do you want to do? you want to project what you think you're best brand is and get a lot of coverage for it. that's what trump did yesterday. there is not anyone else running for president in either party who yesterday or frankly this entire week has projected the image they want to project and got a lot of coverage for it. >> all the people that suggested this week donald trump get out of the race this is a clown show he should leave should watch yesterday and see how much he's enjoying. this he didn't want that press conference to end. he didn't want that trip to end. he's got what amounts to secret service around him, the jet, media following him. there's no way he's getting out of this barring some disaster. >> willie go back and read the newspaper accounts of the john mccain story from sunday. read how many so-called washington experts said he was getting out of the race. we had bill kristol yesterday, we like him and respect him and he said the bubble is about to pop. again, donald trump is not going to get out of the race any time soon. i'm not saying the guy is bullet proof. but he is always played for a fool. people in manhattan, you go to polite dinners and everybody rolls their eyes about what a buffoon he is. then you look outside of their apartments and you see 12 massive skyscrapers with donald trump's name on it. it's just something -- the joke is always on everybody else that is laughing at trump. >> it helps, when you really and truly and genuinely don't give a damn what anyone thinks about you. there are a lot of politician that's say i'm my true self. i don't need a poll. he really doesn't need a poll. he is just shooting from the hip and being himself. >> he's been doing it for more than two decades at n. a very high profile way. he's not michelle bachmann. he's not deer in the headlines. he's not herman cain. he already said and done things which drive almost anyone else from the race. he doesn't care. the only thing funnyier is people saying the bubble already burst. >> but has he answered a simple question from kacie hunt? that's the question. joining us from laredo texas, kacie hunt. how do you prepare yesterday's event or trip to the others that you've seen on this campaign and others? >> well this was pretty remarkable day in the 2016 presidential campaign i would say. you were talking about the motorcade and how this was such a presidential style trip. he lands in a jumbo jet on the runway. everyone piles into this motorcade. there are tractor-trailers trying to cross the bridge into mexico that are stacked up because the road is closed because they're waiting for donald trump. you know there wasn't a lot of substance going on around us. he helped held one meeting with the mayor and city manager. he did meet briefly with border agents. but as you mentioned, the official part of that visit was cut down. then he seemed -- the point of it seemed to be to come and talk to the press. everywhere he went he stopped to talk to reporters, to mug for the cameras. once things got specific he backed away pretty quickly. i tried to ask him what he would do with the 11 million undocumented immigrants in the country? he said we need to secure the border first. then he shut the press conference down pretty abruptly. it didn't take him very long. he was on the ground just under four hours before he was back on the tarmac taking pictures with those cops who had he is exhortedextort escorted him around. that is a presidential tradition and then took off in his jet. >> joe? >> there's another part of back and forth with the press. jose diaz ballard who obviously follows us on this network tried asking donald trump some questions going all the way back to his comments about mexican illegal immigrants. take a look at how that went. >> do you feel that what you said that the people across the border are rapists and murderers. >>, no we're talking about illegal immigration. everyone understands it. that's a typical -- wait. that's a typical case of the press with misinterpretation. they take half a sentence -- they take half a sentence -- by the way, they take half a sentence and then a quarter of a sentence and put it all together. typical thing. >> wow. >> yeah. it's almost like willie geist that the reporters now are being played quite infective iveeffectively as props by donald trump. you expect him to end every answer with you're fired. >> if you watch that anderson cooper he's not giving answers because he doesn't feel like he has to. he can say here you go again, press. to people who support him, many people, they cheer that. they view the press as part of the establishment. part of the people he's railing against including politicians in washington and media. that is wayne for hima win for him and continue to make the media a demon. >> okay. >> you know mika that's one of the things we were warning about several days ago about two days into the john mccain dustup when they kept just talking about that one sentence that he used. the bad al franken joke. and they didn't report that he called mccain a war hero four times later, that he called him a war hero a dozen times later. and that's when i said hey, listen attack him like we attack him for saying what he said about john mccain. but don't twist the story or else it's going to be turned against you. i guess it took 48 hours for him to really get the story right. it just feeds in to everybody's suspicions about the press in his crowds. then makes future press attacks that may be legitimate less relevant. >> so -- we can do this a little later. just to sum up because we're going to the next guest, the comments he made -- in fact i didn't agree with two of them that were very you know covered in a big way. but they were taken out of context. they were kind of stretched. that is important. people who are watching television and reading the papers, they see what we see. it is important to get it right. what he said about immigrants illegal immigrants as well as john mccain has to be put in the proper context. it still can be seen as perhaps a terrible thing to say. but it was taken out of context 50 million times at least. >> mark halperin, it was. this is what is so interesting. willie is talking about it before. the press responds. everybody jumps on top of them. scott walker or somebody else said that it would be the end of their campaign. trump can fight through that. sort of this feeding frenzy. i makes a despicable comment about mexican rapists and that's all people narrows in and focuses on. for instance, people saying that he owes bush a policy because he's from mexico. why? he wasn't talking about her. he wasn't talking about mexicans. he was talking about illegal immigrants being sent across the border. the same thing with mccain. i think the press loathes him so much that in the first two instances, they may have overplayed their hand and actually fed into the suspicions and paranoia of the very people who would support donald trump. >> well what you just summarized it perfectly. he is playing by different rules. the rules he plays by benefit his supporters. and he has an extraordinary instinct for how to communicate with the people who like him and to keep them engaged. and to go after things like china, mexico media. he knows where all the hot buttons are for his followers. he pushes them whenever he needs to. >> so let's -- go ahead. >> i want to ask kacie. was there any indication -- you know, the things that interesting is -- and there's been discussion about this the last few days. is he being handled? he has hired professional political advisors. but my sense is that most of this is his own instincts. he's a one man presidential campaign. as i said before i think he got more coverage since the mccain comment on sunday. i think he got more coverage than everyone else combined this week by a lot. >> i know. >> and that is a big part of running for president. getting people to listen to you. >> it s i want to take a look at the selfie vote and how they might look at this as well as major headlines with hillary clinton coming up as well. for now, let's bring in the cow co-founder of a research firm. she is the author of the book "the selfie vote" where millennials are leading america and how republicans can keep up. let's start with this conversation. how are young people look at this on the republican side? >> as of right now, there's not a ton of great polling about where donald trump stands with young voters. on the one hand the comments he made about the latino community can be really damaging with him with the millennial generation. this is an enormously diverse population. they make up a huge chunk of this generation. he'll struggle on that front. i can't actually believe i might defend donald trump in part here but he's truly not a scripted candidate. he's very sort of off script says what he thinks. i think there is some voters who find that refreshing. if you think about which candidates have appealed to young voters in recent elections, whether it's somebody like a bernie sanders or a rand paul, these are not necessarily the hippest, coolest guys on the stage. but they are authentic. you believe that they believe what they're saying. and to the extent that voters are looking at trump and going, you know what? he may be crazy, but he's crazy enough to say what the rest of those candidates don't have the guts to say. i can see that being appealing to some people. >> good point. joe? >> we talked about it before. ronald reagan nobody would have accused ronald reagan of being hip and cool back in 1979 and 1980. yet, the young voters swarmed to him. and in part because reagan would say things that nobody dared to say. he defended the vietnam war. he called it an honorable cause. all plights aside, he was talking about the panama canal being a great deal. ronald reagan, aadvice rated people who gave away the panama canal. he was brash. he may be on to something. that may just appeal to millennial that's are tired of the living through the bush-clinton era. >> i think there is also an element of name id. at this point so much of thinge polling is about who is the last name you heard in the news? he is getting a quarter are of the vote but 9 a%5% of the prime airy. for young voters who are not tuned into the process, the name id factor is a bigger thing at play. so it wouldn't surprise me to see a poll coming out showing donald trump doing well with young voters. in part that's because he's the name in the news. that's the last name that they heard. it's the name they tell to the pollsters. >> yep. christen, stay with us if you can. we have a lot more to talk about. we have to get to eugene robinson much he's joining us. plus donald trump joins us live at 7:00 a.m. also the president took exception to part of tom friedman's analysis of the nuclear deal with iran. tom will explain why the u.s. should have held tehran's feet to the fire. straight ahead, hillary clinton may now face a criminal investigation over her e-mail controversy as secretary of state. the information that she is being accused of hand willing improperly. we'll have that straight ahead. you're watching "morning joe." why pause a spontaneous moment to take a pill? 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"the new york times" was first to report the story and reports the ig's rod in a memo last month that her private server held hundreds of classified e-mails. in a statement, the clinton campaign says "con contrary to the initial story, cl is already been significantly revised, she followed appropriate practices in dealing with classified materials. as has been reported on multiple occasions, any released e-mails deemed classified by the administration have been done so after the fact and not at the time they were transmitted." >> let's get more on this in washington. "new york times" reporter michael schmitt helped break this story. michael, good to see you this morning. it is true? is the clinton campaign that you had to revise the story and if so, how did you do it? >> we made a minor change to the store ji short story shortly after it went on line that said the investigation was in connection with her e-mail use. that that's where the investigation sort of generated and started from. it didn't really deviate our story much from where we were before. and it was in response to complaints that we received from the clinton camp that we thought were reasonable and we made them. it doesn't change much of what is going on here. the inspectors general have gone to the justice department and said that classified information was mishandled here. they found it in the course of looking into her account and they said the justice department, was there a crime committed here? look into this. zbh michael, flush this out a little bit more. what specifically are they looking at? what are the new things we haven't heard in this previous saga about hillary clinton's e-mail? >> what happened was that these inspectors generals were brought in to look at the issue of the classified information. how was the state department handling it and how much of it was on hillary clinton's account? and when they did this they were able to see that there was classified things that were floating around in the nonclassified part of the state department and in her account that shouldn't have been there. and whenever they see stuff like that that may have violated the law, they go out and say, look we can only take this so far. we're inspector generals we're not the justice department. you're the one that look at it and enforce the laws. here. here's what we saw. you guys figure out what you think. >> gene robinson reading between the lines here. it's awfully early in this story. sound like we may have parallels. if the inspectors general believe she has classified documents on these servers that she should not have these e-mails, it sounds a little bit like david petraeus being too lax with classified documents. >> yeah. i mean it could be. the phrase i heard and the report i heard was potentially classified. i'm not quite sure what that means. but this is a big question for the clinton campaign. and it has been a question since the beginning. i don't think she did a good job in answering those questions from the start. if you remember the press conference that she gave when she had her own server in her own house and wiped it clean. people are going to ask about that. my question for michael is as the clinton campaign reacted? you said they asked for and received one minor correction in the story or revision in the story. did you have the sense that they were trying to jump on this issue with both feet or that they were in any sense kind of thrashing around and hoping it goes away? what was the vibe that you were getting from the clinton campaign? >> well, first of all, they said it was a substantial change to the story. i don't think it was. i think it was a thing that refocused the lead of the story and such. it was very strong. they came at us very strong and very late and very forcefully. and it was certainly something they jumped on much harder than back in march when the initial story came out about the account. that push back was very different and far more muted. >> okay. so jeffrey sacks, i'm watching you watch this and you're looking and putting your head down. what are we missing? what do you think -- do you think this could lead to bigger problems? >> i don't think you're missing anything. i don't think we're missing anything. this is a dumb thung for her to have done. it feeds into what kind of narrative she can't quite be trusted. i think it's not smart. it is a problem. >> yeah. joe? >> jeffrey, if you look at the fact that even in libya she had old cronies around her from her first white house stay. sidney bloomenthat will not that old. they were sending her e-mails when they had business interests in that country and hillary was wiping his name off of the documents and then sending them along. it's just so messy. it's just so sloppy. it remind me a lot of the tales that you told me about a lot of their relief operations. it was always -- there was always an angle. even in relief operations in the most horrific circumstances. there was always an angle. and money was always part of that angle. >> fast and loose. it's not good. that's a sense and image. this of course bolster that's. >> yeah. you know i think there are two narrative that's we've seen joe, i'll throw back to you that, have been blown up. that is trump will blow up and never make it past a couple days and the e-mails don't matter. those have been prevailing narratives from the get go. >> yeah. >> and both keep coming back. >> you're exactly right. mark halperin let me ask you. trump is going to blow up. he may blow up. he may just blow up in the poll. the second thing that mika is saying is that these e-mails don't matter. people love coming on the set saying the e-mails don't matter. they don't matter they don't matter. we now have two huge stories. the two big stories this week of hillary clinton's campaign one, the horrific polls in the swing states and the fact she's 20 points up side down even if they did poll three or four points -- skew three or four points republican. that's one. and that didn't come from nothing. that probably came from this e-mail story. and now, two, these inspectors generals, not right-wingers, but these inspectors generals coming out suggesting that a criminal investigation be looked into and possibly launched. >> on trump, increasingly republican strategists i talk to from the campaign say they may not see his fall until iowa and they'll have to deal with him near the top of the polls for months. on hillary clinton, michael's story is significant. obviously the notion of a criminal probe, there is the question of what laws might be violated and what some people are saying is the reason the clinton campaign pushed for the change is maybe hillary clinton didn't initiate e-mailing of classified information. but what if aides e-mailed to her and she responded. o to the extent there is criminal liability woshgs that implicate her? >> key words of the week third party and joe biden. all right. moving on really quick. president obama's visiting his an ancestoral homeland this week. chris jansing is joining us from nairobi. what he is hoping to accomplish on this trip? >> well obviously, mika he has an agenda. on the surface of it it's about this international conference of entrepreneurs which he's co-hosting with the kenyan president. so they want to promote business and trade. having said that this is a symbolic trip. certainly the most symbolic foreign trip of his entire presidency. not just where his father is buried but he wrote so movingly about in his mom wores whereemoirs where he felt a connection and where his grandfather served as a domestic servant in a british household. will is the emotional part of that. the pictures that will come out of here that are very important. the key question is going to be will it be more symbolism than substance? not only he is going to be talking about business but there's a big counter-terrorism relationship between the u.s. and kenya. specifically as it relates to el shabab. he is talking about human rights. i'm watching very closely to see what he says about lgbt rights. the last time he was on this continent as president and he talked about gay rights he got a lot of push back even gay rights activists said that maybe he pushed a little too hard. so his senior white house advisors say he's going to talk about it. it will be interesting to see how and whether or not his presence here which is so highly anticipated actually has any impact in that regard. >> nbc's chris jansing, thank you very much. coming up is john kasich the new john huntsman? 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"just as ultrasound altered feelings about abortion by showing the image, the movement the vibrant livingness of the developing infant in utero, so too, i suspect will the planned harnthood revelations by throwing open the door to the back room of the clinic where that being is being destroyed. there is a two step change in sensibilities, first, when ultrasound reveals how living the human fetus appears, next, when people learn that in the admission what's killing the fetus involves. the role of democratic politics is to turn such moral sensibilities into law. this is a moment to press relentlessly for a national ban on late-term abortions." joe? >> mark halperin hillary clinton came out in support of planned parenthood. it was surprising because anybody that seen this video and i'm sure you have and others have it is really stunning the graphic nature of what is said how insensitive the planned parenthood leader sounds how graphic and truly disturbing it is. whether a law was broken or not, it is -- i think a bleak moment for planned parenthood. woor were you surprised that she jumped out so aggressively? >> there are moral and ethical issues that should be front and center. on the politics of it for hillary clinton, she did come in support for that. make no mistake, despite the video, planned parenthood is extraordinarily popular with the people that hillary clinton needs to vote for her for president. but she also cited the fact that the head of the planned parenthood has said publicly that comments were insensitive and hillary clinton said that as well. she also said they're going to have to keep answering questions for congress. so it's clear to me that clintons hillary clinton and i bet bill clinton understand that this is the first time democrats have been on defense on these issues in quite some time because of the videos. and the group that did the videos made it clear there are more to come. i think hillary clinton is smart to be braced to the fact this is not the last time she'll have to weigh in on this question. planned parenthood in general and what they do as we saw with mitt romney is popular with a lot of people who will vote in this presidential election. >> on hillary clinton, let me get kristen in here one more time aweuthor of the book "the selfie vote." where do they instant on the e-mail controversy? are they tapped in? are they more tapped in than we think? >> at this moment not particularly. think because there are not a lot of candidates out there saying anything to grab their attention. when you're the hillary campaign and the primary mess saj i promise what we did wasn't really illegal. that is not the most inspiring message and what young voters are looking for that's going to get them energized and excited about this race. when you talk about something like the planned parenthood story this is one that has the potential to go either way politically. on the one hand, you have a lot of young people including young republican women who are maybe pro-life but they used planned parenthood for screenings, et cetera. so, you know attacking planned parenthood up until this last week was always a dicey proposition for republicans. what changed is the polling on issues like abortion are not as generationally polarized. and these videos really raise the question of you know a woman can have control over her own body. can you support. that but at a certain point, there is another body involved. i think in sort of graphic detail, the video brought that to liteght. i think the politics may change very quickly if these videos get more and more traction. >> kristen, thank you. >> coming up on "morning joe," secretary of state john kerry in the hot seat on capitol hill. why one senator says the white house was bamboozled in the nuclear deal with iran. can a business have a mind? a subconscious. a knack for predicting the future. reflexes faster than the speed of thought. can a business have a spirit? can a business have a soul? can a business be...alive? you total your brand new car. nobody's hurt,but there will still be pain. it comes when your insurance company says they'll only pay three-quarters of what it takes to replace it. what are you supposed to do, drive three-quarters of a car? now if you had liberty mutual new car replacement, you'd get your whole car back. i guess they don't want you driving around on three wheels. smart. with liberty mutual new car replacement, we'll replace the full value of your car. see car insurance in a whole new light. liberty mutual insurance. no fifth grader's ever sat at the cool table. but your jansport backpack is permission to park it wherever you please. hey. that's that new gear feeling. now get a swiss gear backpack for only $10. office depot officemax. gear up for school. gear up for great. 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[ inaudible question ] >> they weren't insulted. the press misinterprets my word. >> do you feel that what you said the fact that mexicans are rapists and murderers. >> we're talking about illegal immigration. everyone understands it. that's a typical case of the press with misinterpretation. they take a half a sentence -- [ applause ] they take a half a sentence -- by the way, they take half a sentence and then they take a quarter sentence and put it all together. it's a typical thing. and you're with telemundo and you should be ashamed. what is really going to be fun, i'm right now suing univision for $500 million. we're going to win a lot of money because of what they're doing. i want to just again, i want to thank you. you're finished. you've obviously been proven. >> let's now bring in donald trump. donald, i'm reading back this week from "new york times" and "washington post" articles talking about how your campaign was coming to an end after your mccain quotes. it didn't really feel like the end of the presidential campaign yesterday, did it? >> well i'm leading in all of the polls by a lot. i was just listening to you, joe, and we all love you and mika. i was listening to you talk about bush and rubio and a couple of others and you sort of forgot to mention my name even though i'm creaming them all in the polls. i don't understand what you're doing. >> donald, what are you talking about? what are you talking about? we've been talking about you for a week. what are you talking about? >> joe, you were talking about kasich and mentioned bush and rubio and somebody else i won't mention because i actually like that person. >> what are you talking about? what are you talking about, donald? how thin is your skin? i've been talking about you for a week. >> i agree with that. but when you were talking about bush who, by the way, is ten points lower than me you sort of mentioned like, you know can kasich beat bush? what about trump? we are ten points ahead. >> you know what? this is like a golf tournament. we need to bring in the little guy with the jacket the rule book. alex, have i mentioned bush and rubiomorning, alex? >> having to do with kasich. >> we have one ohp-ed. >> he is talking about the conversation we had about john kasich and whether or not he's got the -- jon huntsman problem. then you talked about the other candidates in context with. that but you didn't mention donald trump who is at the top of the poll. and he's taking issue with that. >> you're forgiven joe. there is one other complaint. one other complaint -- >> donald you aren't really that thin skinned, are you? >> yes, we are thin skinned. >> oh, yes, he is. >> we are ravaged. everybody said your cam spain a joke. you were going to go away. we had one of the top editors in america come on three weeks ago yelling at mika being offended and shocked and then of course he put you on the cover of the magazine three weeks and stormed off mad. this is hilarious. your incredibly thin skinned, my friend. >> i am. even the fact -- joseph? joseph? >> yes? >> even when you said that the polite society they treat me so well. it helps when i own palm beach. maybe that's why they treat me well. but that polite society was smiling. they're not smiling. they did smile when i came into manhattan from queens. i will say that. they haven't been smiling for the last 20 years. but that's okay. polite society has been very polite. >> let me as a member of polite society ask you a legitimate question that has to do with what you would do to secure the border as president of the united states? what policies would you push for? what would you put in place that would improve the situation? >> before you do anything mika i mean this and i say it to everybody, you have to secure the border. you know in terms of getting people. when we were there, abc this evening, you know the major abc broadcast was there. they were setting up. and there were illegals running past their cameras and people running after them. it was a whole mess. they ended up fighting on the ground. it was crazy. and it's all over the place. by the way laredo and areas like that it's down in the valley that's the really big problem. people come in, they go down in the valley. you have to secure the borders. now you can use combinations of wall. can you use fences you can use in some cases the river in this case they have a river which is certainly helpful. but you have to do something to secure the border. we don't have a country without a border. without a border we just don't have a country. so everybody is in favor. one of the things you have kacie hunt there who never reports accurately by the way, and you had -- >> come on. >> no it's true. you had katie tur. >> kacie is great. >> they didn't explain what was happening. that was absolutely a happening. and when i got off the plane, there were you know, tremendous numbers of people. i will say, joe, 95% of those people were cheering madly in favor. i read and i hear -- >> donald i have to go back to you. i think sometimes you are actually on tv what mika says i am in private. somebody that can listen to somebody saying 95% things that are nice about me and i seize on the 5% and obsess on it forever. kacie hunt actually was talking about how it was like a presidential motorcade and said it was very big. it was a happening and the biggest happening of 2016. i want to follow up though donald, on a question that was asked of you yesterday. it really is a tough question. so i think a lot of americans support you as far as the border, making the border tough. >> and other things joe. >> of course. i know donald. my god! stop being so thin skinned! >> yes. >> so i love it. so donald the tougher question is what do we do with the 11 million undocumented workers that are already here? we're not going to send them back to mexico. that's not possible. do we legalize them and say we know you're here but we're not going to give you a pathway to citizenship because you got here illegally but we'll legalize you and let you work here for a couple years? how do we handle the 11 million already here? >> it's a big question. and a really bigger question is i don't think the 11 million which is a number you've been hearing for many many years, i've been hearing that number for five years, i don't think that's an accurate number anymore. i'm now hearing it's 30 million and could be 34 million. which is a much bigger problem. >> who you hearing that from? >> i'm hearing it from other people. i've seen it written in various newspapers. the truth is the government has no idea how many illegals are here. they have no idea. >> so what do we do with all of them? whether it's 11 or 30 million, do we give them legalized status so they're not living in the shadows. let them work but if they break the law send them back? >> we take the bad ones of which there are unfortunately quite a few. we take the bad ones and get them the hell out. we give them back to mexico or make sure they stay or where they come from. they don't all come from mexico. they come from other places. they use that border but they come from other places. we get them out and get them out fast. and we get them out permanently. that's a big thing. if you look at what's going on with big crime waves like kate in san francisco, pushed into our country five fimz and the fifth time he killed kate. you have hundreds of cases like that. we have to get the bad ones out. then the other ones -- and i'm a very big believer in merit system. i have to tell you. some of the people have been here. they've done a good job. you know, in some cases sadly they've been living under the shadows. we have to do something. so whether it's merit or whether it's whatever but i'm a believer in the merit system. somebody's been outstanding, we try and work something out. but before we do anything, joe, we have to secure the border. the border is like having no border. >> let's go right now to willie geist who i'm sure criticized your backswing, your golf backswing or something. >> donald good to talk to you this morning. good to talk to you. so you're having huge success in this campaign. you're up by double digits in a couple national polls. you're clearly enjoying yourself. my question for you though is when you get to the end of the day, do you really want the job of being president? this is the next decade of your life. january of 2025 is when you'd be out of that job and doing work that it meebzans to be president. is that what you want? >> i do. i want to make the country great. nobody else is going to be able to do it. bush won't be able to negotiate with china. he doesn't have it. he's a nice person. i think that jeb bush is a very nice person. but when he meets the chinese and sees the blood pouring out of his eyes he's going to leave the room. they're controlled by the lobbyists and the special interests and donors. believe me china has lobbyists in our country. china has lobbyists, can you believe it? they're ripping us left and right. we're not only talking about china, we're talking about many other countries. i have a lot of respect for mexico. i have thousand of mexico workers, mexican people. they're great people. but, joe, i'll tell you, mexico the leaders are too smart for our leaders. mexico is killing us. when i was in laredo i looked at that traffic going into mexico. i said one little question. mexico's booming, right? oh yes, mexico's booming. mexico's booming. we're not booming. you look at our gdp, it's gone. the first quarter we're actually negative in gdp. that means we're contracting. we're getting smaller. willie, the answer is yes, i would love to do it. i want to make the country great. and willie's father the great -- you know that the great william geist, he wrote the first major story in donald trump on the cover of "the new york times" magazine. and i love that family. even though willie sometimes can be a wise guy. >> that's a true story. my dad did write a profile in the 1980s. >> the cover of "the new york times" magazine which was a great honor. he was a great, great writer. >> thank you for saying that. but my question really are you going to give up this life you have? look at your life. you've got tv shows. you've got buildings. you have the jet. you're donald trump. do you want to go down to the nitty-gritty of politics and live in the white house and work in the oval office? you are willing to give up being donald trump, this great public figure and have to be the president of the united states? >> well i'm willing to do it because i think it's so important to do. you know it's interesting. when i got off the plane yesterday, we had a motorcade like you've never seen. we had hundreds of police. they were so nice and so great. somebody said why do you have to be president for? look, there is the same thing. the truth is we have such potential in this country. we could make our country so strong and so smart again. we have to take back our jobs from all of these countries that are taking our jobs. we have to -- we can make our country great again. i can do it. now with that being said you know, i told -- as you know i told at prentice people i told the top people in comcast who came to my office three months ago, the top people at nbc, i'm not doing "the apprentice." they came up to try to beg me. i'm not doing it. mark burnett said you're the only one that ever turned down an extension. nobody turns him down. i turned down tremendous amounts. when you saw that i made -- what i reported is certified numbers that i made $213 million doing "the apprentice." and then lawrence i can not mention about lawrence. i was nice the way' polling he apologized. i gave up tremendous amounts of money just in. i gave up hundreds of millions of dollars on deals and opportunities. so you know when a politician does this joe and everybody, they run and they just keep running. they win, they lose nobody cares. when i do it i'm giving up a lot. but i really -- i think we're making a huge impact even though joe never mentions me in the front. >> oh, my lord. >> oh, my lord! oh my lord! >> mark halperin. >> i think i have a really good chance of getting the nomination. if i do, i'm the one that can beat hillary. she's the worst secretary of state in the history of our country. >> joe, you have no excuse to moan. mark halperin and then amy. >> donald we're going to go to mark halperin next. >> mr. trump, good morning. >> hi mark. >> huge debate in the republican party among the establish. insiders who are taker fifd your candidacy about how you're going to be derailed. you're pretty smart about presidential politics. what do you think the most likely way your candidacy could be derailed would be? >> well you know you have blowups. i've seen it over the years. it could be the a much bigger story than speaking to me is the whole hillary criminal probe on the e-mails. it is a criminal thing what took place. there's no question about it. i think she won't be indicted because it's all democrats that are the prosecutors right now. >> but how could your campaign, what could keep from you being the republican nominee? >> i don't know. you just -- i'm just chugging along. maybe people get tired of me. who knows? this press is crazy. i turn on the shows, the entire show is -- last night on one of the shows i won't mention which, they were interviewed a candidate and they asked if he could come back because they want to talk about trump. i'm saying i can't believe it. i tuned in to hear what he was going to say. do you think you can come back? we want to talk about donald trump? and then they only ask him trump questions. so i don't know. maybe people get burned out. i don't know what could happen. i've been doing this for a long time. time. i've been in politics for a long time. now as a runner they don't -- although i must say i think the republican national committee, i think they are really -- they have been very very nice over the last few days. they see what is happening. they reached out. they have talked to me. they have talked to my people. they cannot be nicer than they've been over the last few -- >> that's different. >> they see what is happening, joe. >> let's talk about that really quickly. yesterday there were reports that you had threatened to run as an independent because they were not treating you well. will you run as an independent or is that changing? are they starting to treat you in a way that is more respectful. >> i want to run as a republican. i'm leading every poll. that may change. who knows. but i'm leading every poll. in cases i'm leading big. the nevada poll was unbelievable. leading by you know like 18 points. the north carolina poll came out. i'm leading that one big. all i can say is this. the best way to win is to win as a republican. i do not want to do independent at all. now if i'm treated poorly that's one thing. if i'm treated well and with great respect and don't win, i would not do that. but if i'm treated poorly i will do it. >> you're saying donald over the last couple of days you say they've been calling and have been treating you better. >> yeah we've had great communication. they are treating me with tremendous respect. because they see what i'm doing, joe. i'm number one in the polls. and the republican -- >> you know how they held that? donald, do you know how they know that? do you know how they know that you're number one in the polls? they all watch "morning joe" every morning and hear us talk about you being number one. you're the only one that watch that's doesn't hear that. let's go to amy. >> mr. trump, pleasure. just so you know mika has been totally defending you on "morning joe." she said you are a force to be reckoned with. but i want to ask you about this. you said in the past that you probably identify more as a democrat and you said that in your view the economy does better under the democrats. so i want to ask you, why then are you running as a republican? >> i'll tell you what. first, over the years as a businessman, i've always helped everybody. helped everybody. i'm a businessman. and that's part of the problem with the system. i help everybody. i contribute to people. i -- when i want somebody, they are always there for me. i think most people understand. that's one of the reasons i put in a statement that i'm worth a lot of money. much, much more money than anybody even thought. >> but why did you say you identify more as a democrat and the economy does better under democrats? >> i identify with some things as a democrat but generally speaking -- if you look at what happened, i was never a bush fan. i will tell you. in fact i just say about this one, the last thing we need is another bush. when the economy crashed so horribly under george bush because of mistakes they made having to do with banking and lots of other things, i don't think the democrats would have done that. now i've seen it both ways. i hated what i was watching the last two years of george bush. it was a bubble waiting to explode. it was a bubble that with joe and mika i told them it was waiting to explode. i told a lot of people. i was right. i'm pretty good at that stuff. but what they were doing was a death wish. and i saw that. that was a republican thing. now would a democrat have done those same things? possibly. in all fairness to mccain, when he came in i mean abraham lincoln could have run against obama at that time. you know you just couldn't have won. so i have seen things over the years done by republicans that i totally agree w i'm a republican. i'm actually quite conservative to put it mildly. but i have seen things done by republicans that are not good. >> gene robinson? >> i wouldn't do that. >> donald after all the swash buckling rhetoric, after all you said about the other republican candidate and it's really entertaining and really effective in many ways given your standings in the polls, how you could support any of these guys? you have pointed out their deficiencies again and again and again. how you could support them if you know for some reason you didn't get the nomination? >> well first of all i assume that is gene robinson who i'm starting to love. i'm starting to love gene, okay? i'm falling madly in love with him. >> we're bonding. >> gene it's really a good question. now if i'm a politician you know, it always sickens me when two people are fighting and watching the shows after the election and horrible enemies and fighting and fighting. and then one loses and they get up to the podium. i love so and so. he is so wonderful. i'll support him. that's politics. there may somebody people look some of these people that are running. i have a great respect for a number of the people. it's not like i'm enemies with everybody. you see that. some people you know give me a lot of credit for bringing up the illegal immigration. give me a lot of credit because of the vets. i'm the one that brought up the vets. i did it through john mccain because he's done such a poor job for the veterans. i bring up the vets. it's a major subject now. the vets love me. the fact is there are a couple people that if they won, i don't think they're going to win or close to winning, frankly, but if they would win, i may not -- if i don't do this unlike other people, i'm going back to my life. i'm going have a good life and i'm sacrificing a tremendous amount to do this. you know i'm taking a huge -- sort of a risk but sacrificing a lot by doing this. including tens of millions of dollars and much more than that. probably -- i'm not talking about the cost of a campaign. that is the smallest cost. i think the campaign is probably the cheapest thing. but there could very well be gene, you know people -- there are people that i do not think are very good. it's very hard for me to support somebody that is -- if somebody won, i may sort of like shift off into the moonlight. >> okay. >> i hope that won't be the case. i hope that won't be the case. it could very well be. >> all right. donald trump, thank you so much for working with us. i don't believe you're as thin skinned as you sound today. i think you're just pounding me in the head. >> no. no. the two of you are exactly alike. >> oh, sfoptop that. >> thank you donald. always interesting and good luck. be safe out on the campaign trail. >> yes thank you very much. >> wow. up next on "morning joe," what -- >> wait! what do you mean up next? what about that? we talk about him for a week and he -- >> i need to process. >> so we have to process that? >> everything i said about him has been right. and i'm just -- i don't want to rub it in. so there you go. up next on "morning joe" -- >> why would you rub it in. rub it in next on "morning joe." >> i'll do. that and one of the political insiders in iowa and new hampshire think about the donald. mike allen joins us. also, why hillary clinton could now become the focus of a criminal investigation over who use of personal e-mail at the state department. nbc news political director chuck todd joins us as well. we'll be right back. shopping online... ...is as easy as it gets. wouldn't it be great if hiring plumbers carpenters and even piano tuners... were just as simple? thanks to angie's list now it is. start shopping online... ...from a list of top rated providers. visit angieslist.com today. you do all this research on the perfect car. gas mileage , horse power... torque ratios. three spreadsheets later you finally bring home the one. then smash it into a tree. your insurance company's all too happy to raise your rates. maybe you should've done a little more research on them. for drivers with accident forgiveness liberty mutual won't raise your rates due to your first accident. see car insurance in a whole new light. liberty mutual insurance. kids are expensive. so i'm always looking to get more for my money. that's why i switched from u-verse to xfinity. they have the most free on demand tv shows and movies on all my devices. it's perfect for me because my kids are costing me a fortune. i'm going to cabo! 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>> i think it is a combination of a bunch of things. i think there is this part of the american electorate that is tired of political correctness. so there's part of donald that is -- that is a pull to them on that front. i think there is -- tl there's also a group of voters that feel as if they've been marginalized. whether it's on the economy, on culture. and you know what? as we marginalize trump in the press and as the political establishment marginalizes them the same group of voters says you know what? yeah, maybe trump does these things and a little bombastic. but they marginalize me too. so i don't think it -- i don't think any of these attacks hurt trump with this group of people. i think they've been helping him. >> wow. >> yeah. mike allen, you have an insider's poll you do every friday. what are the insiders saying if iowa and new hampshire and other states about donald trum snp. >> joe, i'm so happy that we're remedying mr. trump's worry that we're not talking enough about him on "morning joe." so doing our part -- >> oh, my god! >> stop talking about marco rubio, joe! how dare you! >> that's unbelievable! >> doing our part with the caucus, our poll of insiders in new hampshire and iowa we're really seeing how he's playing in this race. we're getting wishful thinking from both sides. joe, three quarters of republicans say that they think he's peaked that he's'going to get any bigger or louder. slightly more in iowa than new hampshire think that. but then joe, among democrats, 74% of them say that he's still going to keep as mr. trump just said in the interview with you, chugging along. chugging along. joe, another metric we sthau morning about the amazing effect he's had on this race gallop out with name id among republicans. donald trump, 92 ten points higher than jeb bush. who are these republicans that have not heard of jeb bush? 20 points higher than chris christie. and so the donald taking over this race has one otheris pointed out in our poll. for the first time people are telling us that not making it into the debate not being one of ten candidates may not be as fatal as we thought. he's going to so dominate the debate that if you're one of the candidates that's on the bubble john kasich sorry to mention him, mr. trump, and also right there on the bubble hoping to get in rick santorum that two hour debate may not be as decisive as we once thought. >> joe? >> chuck todd obviously big news coming out today, "new york times" reportssupporting swo inspectors generals are recommending the department of justice look into criminal charges or at least a criminal investigation against hillary clinton. how significant is that? >> i think it's incredibly significant. and i have to say watching the little back and forth between the "times" and clinton campaign about how to word it. at the end of the day, if there is an investigation into mishandling of classified government -- >> classified? >> on hillary clinton's e-mail server, how is hillary clinton not the subject of that investigation? you know how do you do the investigation without investigating her? i understand lawyerly explanations. i think it's significant. it puts pressure on this justice department. you have two inspectors generals recommending this investigation. you know, if they don't do it there's going to be a lot of calls about politics saying a democratic justice department didn't do it. so i expect that you will see an investigation opened up. and, you know joe, 15 months before general election assuming she is the democratic nominee and you have that, you begin your generally campaign with a criminal justice investigation going on? you don't though what's going to happen out of that. >> you never know what's going to happen. >> david petraeus basically -- this is what he got hit for with mishandling classified information. so if he's not above it i don't think hillary clinton is going to be above it. >> and that's -- mika that's exactly what i was going to say you to. the name that just keeps coming up as you read the first reports, it's just a first. david petraeus. having his career seriously sidetracked because of mishandling of classified documents. >> gene robinson were you one of the people that said e-mails don't matter and if so do they matter now? there were so many -- i don't know. >> you know me mika. i would never make a declarative sentence that e-mails don't matter. >> he would never say that. >> you never know. and i always said this is an issue. this looks bad. it always looked bad. and, you know you'll have to excuse me for a minute. i'm still trying to deal emotionally with donald's expression of love. >> he loves you. >> i hadn't prepared this morning to have a bromance with donald. >> that is where we are. >> it is what it is gene. >> it is what it is joe. but, you know hillary clinton, my question -- i guess i would ask chuck. is there anything that clinton campaign can do now to put this to rest? or is that totally out of the barn? is there nothing they can do to get on top of the story? >> no. i think they blew it when they didn't turn over the server immediately. i think this is one of the things that they could have instead of saying well the state department. it's up to the state department to release the e-mails and all that. i think that they lost any high ground they could have had by being pro active in okay here's the server. congress, you can have it. take a look. giving off the perception, nothing to hide here instead of sort of while technically following the law and this and technically doing what they're supposed to be doing, giving it to the state and letting state do this they could have been more out front on this particularly with that server. i don't know if there is anything they can do now to get out in front of it. i think now they have to hope nothing is found. >> and, you know -- you know mika, you've been talking about it nonstop. it's been the issue that's concerned you the most. them destroying the server not turning it over and destroying it. now you can be in the middle of a criminal investigation. and the very thing that could exonerate her or make things worse for her has been destroyed. i don't know what legal impact that's going to have. but it certainly would have a massive impact a massive i pact iveive impact in the court of public opinion. >> it would give her opponents a narrative. >> certainly. the best strategy is one they've dn deploying, kick up a lot of dust, a lot of questions to try to obfuscate the issues at hand. going to donald trump and immigration, a lot of conservative pundits pointed out that he seemed to be pro-am necessary ti before making these very declarative statement about the border. but at the end of the day, if you look at the gop primaries of past, squishes on immigration won the nomination. john mccain who is for comprehensive reform mitt romney considered a squish from the right. it ended up with the gop nomination. >> i'm going to back to the clinton thing. >> i think joe is right on the justice department. that's a huge deal. and we know that there are people within the white house no think the way hillary clinton hand ld the e-mails is politically stupid and legally questionable. this is the exact narrative that republicans want to drive. it is great for williams & connolly but this is a very dangerous thing. this may turn out in retrospect this story to be the biggest developments of this campaign. >> it could be. and chuck todd we're going to have a very fascinating white house watch because you have a white house that will tell you off the record, many of the top people that they're con temperature shus of how the clintons play ball. contempt shoe contempteous but they'll let you know they're all in for hillary clinton because affordable care act's future depends on hillary clinton winning the nomination. so how political are these decisions inside the justice department going to be? that's going to be the nagging question. >> well in fairness if you look at the history of this justice department one thing on this front, you know they have -- they have when in doubt, they have opened an investigation. i think a lot of people thought they, you know would hold back on petraeus they didn't do that. so i expect them to do it. i mean i think -- and the history of this administration to do it. and to go with what you're saying look obama -- president of the united states because they exploited hillary clinton's trust issues back in 2007 and 2008. let's not forget that. >> wow. chuck todd mike allen, thank you very much. we'll be watching "meet the press" this sunday and this show is officially like popping popcorn with the top off. we'll be right back. this summer, challenge your preconceptions and experience a cadillac for yourself. ♪ take advantage of our summer offers. lease select cts models in stock the longest for around 399 per month. what do a nascar® driver... a comedian... and a professional golfer have in common? 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>> great danger with the illegals. we're discussing that but we have a tremendous dangerous on the border. >> have you seen evidence to confirm your fears about mexico sending his criminals across the border. >> yes, and i have heard it. >> what evidence specifically have you seen? >> we'll show you. >> when? >> you know i have -- we just landed. there were a lot of people at the airport. they were waving american flags and all in favor of trump and what i'm doing, and everyone we saw, i was actually surprised. the reason i won with the hispanic vote, and i win all over with the hispanic vote because they know i'll take jobs back from china, take jobs back from japan and every other country that's killing us. i'll bring the jobs back and you know the hispanics are going to get the jobs and they're going to love trump, and they already do. >> are you ready to apologize to the hispanics who felt insulted by your words. >> they weren't insulted because the press misinterprets my words. >> i'm a republican i'm a conservative, i'm running. i'm in first place by a lot. i want to run as a republican. i think i'll get the nomination. we'll see soon enough. i think i'll get the nomination. the best way to win is for me to get the nomination and run probably against hillary. hillary is the worst -- look easily she's the worst secretary of state in the history of our country. she's going to be beaten and i'm the one to beat her. >> you know so there were press conferences, mika. he gave some speeches. there was a back and forth with jose diaz-balart, msnbc's host. we're going to be playing that in a little bit. somebody described yesterday as the best afternoon of mr. trump's life. kasie hunt described it as very presidential in feel from jumbo jets to motorcades to swarming press. i mean it's a massive presence there. but it also though it is -- if you want to look at the strategy of it, it's one massive backdrop of the issue that really does seem to be propelling him right now, that is illegal immigration. yesterday, it was out there for everybody to see. this is going to give him a good bump through the weekend. no doubt. >> yeah. and in terms of strategy i don't see a strategy. i just see him completely operating on a completely different lane or universe than everyone else and barreling forward, and the media just following in droves. it's sort of hard to even -- i don't know what to do you? >> well i will tell you one thing. mark halpern, one thing that nobody will ever have to say when giving advice to the donald is let trump be trump. i mean this is -- >> such an understatement. >> why the 100% unadulterated donald trump every day and night and day. >> let's be more basic about it. if you're a presidential candidate, what do you want to do? you want to do two things. you want to project what you think your best brand is and get a lot of coverage for it. that's what trump did yesterday. there's not anyone else running for president who yesterday or this entire week has projected the image they wanted to project and gotten a lot of coverage. >> all of the people who suggested this week that donald trump get out of the race that this is a clown show, that he should leave, should watch yesterday. he didn't want the press conference to end. hao didn't want the trip to end. >> nobody else did, either. >> secret service with the jet and media. there's no way he's getting out of this barring some disaster. >> willie go back willie and read the newspaper accounts of the john mccain story from sunday and read how many so-called washington experts said he was getting out of the race. we had bill kristol yesterday, we like and respect. i'm not talking badly about bill, saying the bubble is about to pop. again, donald trump's not going to get out of the race anytime soon. i'm not saying the guy is bullet-proof, but he's always played for a fool. people in manhattan, you go to polite dinners in manhattan and cocktail parties and everybody rolls their eyes about what a buffoon he is and you look outside of their apartments and you see 12 massive skyscrapers with donald trump's name on it. it's just something, the joke always seems to be on everybody else that's laughing at trump. >> it helped mark when you ruly and truly and genuinely don't give a damn what anyone thinks about you. there are a lot of politicians who said i'm my true self i don't need a poll. he's shooting from the hip and doing it. >> he's been doing it in a high profile way. he's not michele bachmann. not a deer in the headlights, not herman cain who is going to be scrutinized. he's already said and done things which would drive almost anyone else from the race. he doesn't care. the only thing funnier than people saying the bubble is about to burst. it's people saying it's already burst. >> but has he answered a simple question from kasie hunt. joining us from laredo texas, kasie hunt. how do you compare yesterday's event or trip to the others that you have seen on this campaign and others? >> well this was a pretty remarkable day in the 2016 presidential campaign, i would say. you were talking about the motorcade and how this was such a presidential style trip. he lands in a jumbo jet on the runway. met by the local cops. everyone piles into the motorcade. they close down all the roads. there are tractor trailers trying to cross the bridge into mexico they're stacked up because they're waiting for donald trump. there wasn't a lot of substance around this. he held one meeting with the mayor and city manager. he did meet briefly, privately with border agents but the official part of the visit was cut down. the point of it seemed to be to come and talk to the press. everywhere he went he stopped to talk to reporters, to mug for the cameras. once things got specific he backed away quickly. i asked what he would do with 11 million undocumented immigrants already in the country. he said we need to secure the border first, and then he shut the whole press conference down pretty abruptly. it didn't take him long. he was on the ground just under four hours before he was back on the tarmac taking pictures with the cops who had escorted him around. that's a presidential tradition, and taking back off again in his jet. >> wow. joe? >> wow. yeah there was another part mika, of back and forth with the press. jose diaz-balart, who obviously follows us on this network, tried asking donald trump some questions going all the way back to his comments about mexican illegal immigrants. take a look at how that went. >> feel that what you said when you said that the people who cross the border are rapists and murderers? >> we're talking about illegal immigration. everybody understands it. that's a typical -- wait that's a typical case of the press with misinterpretation. they take a half a sentence -- they take a half a sentence. by the way they take a half a sentence and then they take a quarter of a sentence they put it all together. a typical thing. >> wow. >> yeah. it's almost like willie geist, that the reporters are being played quite effectively as props by donald trump. you almost expect him to end every answer at a press conference with you're fired. >> when you get down to it if you watch that interview, if you watch anderson cooper he's not giving answers to questions because he doesn't feel he has to. he can take a question and say, here you go again, press. many people who support him cheer that because they view the press as part of the establishment, part of the people he's raling against, including politicians and the media. that's a win for him if he can do that and continue to make the media a demon. >> okay. >> you know mika that's one of the things we were warning about several days ago, about two days into the john mccain dust-up when they kept just talking about that one sentence that he used. and yeah the bad al franken joke. and they didn't report that he had called mccain a war hero four times later. that he called him a war hero a dozen times later. and that's when i said hey, listen. attack him like we attacked him for saying what he said about john mccain. but don't twist the story or else it's going to be turned against you. and you know i guess it took 48 hours for him to really get the story right. and it just feeds into everybody's suspicions about the press in his crowds. and then makes future press attacks that may be legitimate less relevant. >> we can do this a little bit later, but to sum up because we're going to go to our next guest, the comments that he made, in fact i didn't agree with at least two of them that were very you know covered in a big way. but they were taken out of context. they were kind of stretched. and that is important because people who are watching television and reading the papers, they see what we see. and it is important to get it right. and what he said about immigrants illegal immigrants as well as john mccain, has to be put in the proper context. and it still can be seen as perhaps a terrible thing to say, but it was taken out of context 50 million times, at least. >> mark halpern, it was. and this is what is so interesting, and willie was talking about it before. the press responds everybody jumps on top of him. if scott walker or somebody else had said that it would have probably been the end of their campaign. trump can fight through that. but sort of this feeding frenzy he makes a dishespicable comment about mexican rapists and that's all everyone narrows in on and focuses in on. for instance, people saying he owes columbia bush an apology because she's from mexico. why? he wasn't talking about her. he wasn't talking about mexicans. he was talking about illegal immigrants sent across the border. it's the same thing with mccain. i think the press loathes him so much that in these first two instances, they may have overplayed their hands and actually fed in to the suspicions and paranoia of the very people who would support donald trump. >> well what you just summarized it perfectly. he's playing by different rules and the rules he plays by benefit his supporters. he has an extraordinary instinct for how to communicate with the people who like him, and to keep them engaged, and to go after things like china, mexico the media. he knows all the hot buttons are for his followers and he pushes them whenever he needs to. the thing that's interesting is and there's been discussion about it in the last few days is he being handled at all? he has hired professional political advisers but my sense is most of this is his own instincts. he's a one-man presidential campaign, who i said before i think he's gotten more coverage since the mccain comment on sunday, more coverage than everyone else combined this week by a lot. that is a big part of running for president, getting people to listen to you. >> it is. i want to take a look at the selfie vote and how they may look at this and major headlines for hillary clinton. let's bring in the cofounder of the opinion research firm. she's the author of the book "the selfie vote" where millennials are leading america and how republicans can keep up. why don't we start with this conversation? how are young people looking at all of this on the republican side? how does it back up the concept of your book? >> as of right now, there's not a ton of great polling about where donald trump stands with young voters. i think on the one hand the comments he's made about the latino community can be really damaging with him, with the millennial generation. this is an enormously diverse population. the latino population makes up a huge chunk. he's going to struggle on that front. on the other hand and i can't believe i'm going to defend donald trump, but he's truly not a scripted candidate. he's very sort of off script says what he thinks and some voters find it refreshing. if you think about what candidates appeal to young voters, whether it's bernie sanders or ron paul these are not the hippest, coolest guys on the stage, but they're authentic and you believe they believe what they're saying. to the extent that voters are looking at trump and saying he may be crazy, but he's crazy enough to say what the rest of the candidates don't have the guts to say, i can see that being appealing to some people. >> good point. joe. >> we talked about it before. ronald reagan, nobody would have accused ronald reagan of being hip and cool back in 1979 and 1980, yet the young voters swarmed to him. and in part because reagan would say things that nobody dared to say. he defended the vietnam war. he called it an honorable cause when he was talking about the panama canal being a great deal. ronald reagan eviscerated american leader whose gave away the panama canal. he was brash, not as brash as trump. but i think you may be on to something. that may appeal to milelians who are tired of living through the bush/clinton era. >> there's also an element of name i.d. at this point, so much of the polling is who's the last name you heard in the news? donald trump is getting about a quarter of the republican vote but 95% of the coverage of this primary. especially, i think, for young voters who are not as tuned in to the process at this point, the name i.d. factor is going to be an even bigger thing at play. it wouldn't surprise me to see a poll come out showing donald trump doing relatively well with young voters but i think in part that's because he's the name in the news and that's the last name they heard so it's the name they tell to the pollster. >> yep. still ahead on "morning joe," another headache for hillary clinton over her use of personal e-mails at the state department. why two inspectors general are now calling for a criminal investigation. plus a rough day for secretary of state john kerry on capitol hill. the tough questions that he faced from lawmakers of both parties on the nuclear deal with iran. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. when broker chris hill stays at laquinta he fires up the free wifi with a network that's now up to 5 times faster than before! so he can rapidly prepare his presentation. and when he perfects his pitch, do you know what chris can do? 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>> we made a minor change shortly after it went online that said the investigation was in connection with her e-mail use. that that's where the investigation sort of generated and started from. it didn't really deviate our story much from where we were before. and it was in response to some complaints that we received from the clinton camp that we thought were reasonable and we made them. it doesn't really change much of what's going on here. these inspector generals have gone to the justice department and said that classified information was mishandled here. they found it in the course of looking at her account and they said to the justi committed here? look into this. >> michael, flesh this out a little more. what specifically are they looking at or some of the new things we haven't heard in this previous saga about hillary clinton's e-mail? >> what happened is that these inspector generals were brought in to look at the issue, the classified information. how is the state department handling it and how much was on hillary clinton's account? and when they did this they were able to see that there was classified things that were floating around in the nonclassified part of the state department and in her account that shouldn't have been there. whenever they see stuff like that that may have violated the law, they go out and say, look we can only take this so far. we're inspector generals not the justice department. you guys are the ones who look at it and enforce the laws. here's what we saw. you guys figure out what you think. >> gene robinson reading between the lines here. it's awfully early in this story, but it sounds like we may have some parallels if the inspector generals believe she has classified documents on these servers that she should not have these e-mails, it sounds a little bit like david petraeus being too lax with classified documents. >> yeah i mean it could be. the phrase i heard in the report was potentially classified. i'm not quite sure what that means. but this is a big question for the clinton campaign, and it has been a question since the beginning. i don't think she did awering those questions from the start. if you remember the presso try to her own server in her own house and wiped it clean. people are going to ask about that. my question for michael is as the clinton campaign reacted, you said they asked for and received one minor correction in the story or revision in the story. did you have a sense that they were trying to jump on this issue with both feet or that they were in any sense kind of thrashing around and hoping it goes away? what was the vibe that you were getting from the clinton campaign? >> well first of all, they said it was a substantial change that we made to the story. i don't think it was. i think it was -- it refocused the lead of the story and such. it was very strong. they came in as very strong and very forcefully, and it was certainly something they jumped on much harder than back in march when the initial story came out about the account. that push-back was very different, and far more muted. >> okay so jeffrey sachs, i'm watching you watch this and you're putting your head down. you think this could lead to bigger problems? >> i don't think you're missing anything. i don't think we're missing anything. this was a dumb thing for her to have done. and it feeds into a kind of narrative that she can't quite be trusted. so i think it's not smart, and it is a problem. >> joe? >> well and jeffrey, if you look at the fact that even in libya, she had old cronies around her from her first white house stay sydney blumenthal who were actually sending her e-mails when they had business interests in that country. and hillary was wiping his name off of the documents and then sending them along. and it's just so messy. it's just so sloppy. it reminds me a lot of the tales you told me about a lot of the relief operations. that it was always -- there was always an angle, even in relief operations in the most horrific circumstances, there was always an angle, and money was always part of that angle. >> well fast and loose. it's not good. that's a sense and an image, and this of course bolsters that. >> yeah. coming up on "morning joe," secretary of state john kerry tries to sell the iran nuclear deal to senators as president obama meets with house democrats.interview with pulitzer prize winning writer tom friedman ahead on "morning joe." push your enterprise and you can move the world. but to get from the old way to the new you'll need the right it infrastructure. from a partner who knows how to make your enterprise more agile, borderless and secure. hp helps business move on all the possibilities of today. and stay ready for everything that is still to come. ave a mind? 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[singing] say it and see it. the x1 voice remote, only from xfinity. >> so we've negotiated and i guarantee you for the first 15 years, you have unbelievable restraints that make it impossible to even think about making a bomb. you can think about it you can't do anything about it. at the end of 15 years, you have every option that you have today. your decision is whether you want those 15 years to be right now. or take the 15 years and figure out whether or not this is going to work. >> that was secretary of state john kerry defending the iran nuclear deal before a very skeptical congress. let's bring in right now pulitzer prize winner columnist tom friedman. he has been covering the region for decades. he is the expert in this field, and he writes about the negotiations. from the minute aron detected that the u.s. was unwilling to use its overwhelming military force to curtail tehran's nuclear program and that dates back to the george w. bush program, which would neither accept the right to a military or diplomatic option to stop it no perfect deal overwhelmingly favorable to america and its allies was ever going to emerge from negotiations with iran. the balance of power became too equal. well, i spoke to tom about why it's been so difficult for both president bush and president obama to curb iran's nuclear ambitions. >> well you know it really does go back i think, to the iraq war, joe. what we did in toppling saddam's regime was remove the biggest sunni counterbalance sunni/arab counterbalance to persian iranian power. had we effectively toppled that and then replaced it with another form of authority more consensual in iraq we would have been in a very strong position then i think, to deck tate very different terms to iran. we failed to do that. in fact we produced a power vacuum which iran gradually filled as we lost more people and became less and less enamored with the war. so during the bush years, president george w. bush was so focused on trying to put iraq back together that he was not in a position to really threaten iran over its nuclear program. so it started to grow. and the bush administration was also internally divided between hard liners like cheney and bolt bolton bolton, who didn't believe iran should have any nuclear structure, and others who wanted to negotiate. to her credit condi rice organized the p-5 negotiating group. they could never get it together to put a serious military or diplomatic option on the table. obama came in and he was no more interested in the military option than bush was. in fact he was elected really on an anti-war ticket. what obama did then though is build on the p-5 proposal. construct serious sanctions and basically offered the iranians a serious deal with the stick of sanctions and the carrot of being allowed to maintain a bare-bones nuclear infrastructure in the period of the agreement if it gave up basically the ability to produce a bomb in short order for the next 15 years. >> you also write supporting this deal doesn't make you neville chamberlain. opposing it doesn't make you dr. strangelove. both sides have legitimate arguments. you come down on the side that the deal is the best way forward. why? >> i really believe that for two main reasons, it does if implemented, and i think backed up with muscular diplomacy, does take iran puts iran a year away from a nuclear breakout for the next 15 years, really. and in a crazy region if you can keep nuclear weapons off the table for the next 15 years by a key actor like iran i think that's a plus. it comes at the price of strengthening iran's economy and enabling them to continue to project power throughout the region. we're going to have to deal with that, but that's one reason joe. the second reason is i just don't see a clear alternative from the critics. and believe me i'm listening. my ears are open that would give us a superior outcome. >> yeah i want to -- let's talk about your first reason why. you supported the deal but also, some of the effect of iran getting a deal with the united states. you talk about the increased power they're going to have the increased money, increased leverage. the president in effect with this deal is letting iran out of the corner of bad acting nation states for the first time since the '79 revolution. have you found it interesting that barack obama said to you and said to some others hey, don't judge me by the iranian regime over the next 10 to 15 years and how they act. just judge me by the nuclear deal, when it seems at least to me it's not that clean and it's not that simple. because iran is going to be inpowered by this deal. >> i think it's true. i through two things into that. one is that iran was already empowered without this deal. the reason iran was able to project its power into beirut baghdad, and yemen and damascus is because of the collapse of the arab world. first and foremost. you had a real internal collapse in the arab world. if the arab sunni world could make a fist today, iran for all the money in the world, would be in a very different situation. so that's one of the problems. and the other is if we're going to talk about bad behavior joe, i think we have to talk about the other source of really bad behavior. and that is the ruling bargain in saudi arabia which has produced a transformation of sunni islam from a more open modernizing sin cnnistic faith to one that is dominated by a much more puritanical anti-women view that is also a threat. >> you brought this up? >> yeah. >> you brought this up thomas in your columns, and of course we talked about it an awful lot on our show over the past eight years, about how the saudis have financed radicalization across the world. and we could go down the list again about how they treat their people how they treat women. why is it that the united states government and the united states media is so much more focused on shiite bad behavior than sunni bad behavior? when it comes in the form of nation states out of the middle east? >> yeah especially since that sunni bad behavior came to our shores in the form of 15 out of 19 hijackers in 9/11 from saudi arabia. you know part of it is because of the way the narrative has been dominated by us being isolated from iran for all these years. and part of it has to do with the fact joe, that addicts never tell the truth to their pushers. we have been addicted to saudi oil for mengany years, less so now, so we never had that honest conversation with them about what their ruling bargain has done to the wider sunni arab world and to islam. it's been very corrosive. now, the iranians have been pushing their own fundamentalism as well but the combination of the two fueled by oil has been really toxic. therefore, our balance, our interest is not siding with one or the other but balancing the two. >> we have more with thomas friedman ahead, including how he thinks donald trump's candidacy is impacting the race and the nation. ♪ ♪ ♪ 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politics which i do hezbollah has never been more popular in lebanon today, generally, and among lebanese shiites in particular because of the way this lebanese militia basically allowed itself to be iran as a mercenary army to defend the regime of bashar al assad and participate in what has been a genocide in many ways. that's what their money bought them so far. >> in your interview with president obama right after the deal you delivered the unhappy news that you believe that he had left some leverage on the table. he, of course disagreed with you. but talk about what more you think the united states negotiators could have gotten out of the deal. >> i think there's one thing that really stands out for me joe. that is the question of our right to inspect sites not covered by this deal. any military base in iran or home or office we suspect is being used to develop a covert nuclear option. the fact that the process requires 24 days to complete. i sure wish we had bargained that down to half of that at least. it does seem to be a long time and it's one of those things that i wish we had done better negotiating on. i think we had the leverage to do. it didn't happen, so there you go. we'll make the best of it but they would have a lot easier time selling it in congress if the timeframe was not 24 days but something half of that. >> and speaking of congress you say for those who are upset about this deal in congress that there actually is a way to show strength towards the iranian regime even if they get rolled by the redspresident. congress should pass a resolution authorizing this and future presidents to use force to prevent iran from ever becoming a nuclear weapon state. iran must know now that the u.s. president is authorized to destroy without warning or negotiation any attempt by tehran to build a bomb. explain. >> well, you know what this deal allows and this is the central complaint of prime minister netanyahu, it allows iran to in effect be a threshold state, although we have moved back to one year over the course of this agreement, say for 10 to 15 years. after that you know iran still can't under the agreement, become a nuclear weapon state. but they need to know that that that is against -- that is a fundamental american interest that iran not become a nuclear weapon state because it would not only destabilize the whole middle east even more where there are already enough crazy people, but it would really completely undermine the nuclear nonproliferation agreement. i think sending that message right now, just making sure they understand how serious we are about that is what i call the kind of muscular diplomacy that can buttress this kind of deal and enforce the diplomacy. >> you know tom, i always talk about when i'm talking about where we are in this country, i always talk about how you say the world went from an agrarrian age to an industrial age to an i.t. age, to a talent age. we're now in the age of trump. let's talk politics 2016. you're going to have to typewrite awrite a book on that. you wrote about a month ago, before the rise of donald trump, you wrote if we could tax politicians' cliches, we would balance the budget. you don't see a lot of reason to hope out there right now with this massively large field, do you? >> no you know joe, if you go back to a book you had me on to discuss that i wrote several years ago that used to be us talking about america. you know the arguments there, they're still really relevant. and the argument is very simple. what's made us strong as a country? we had the greatest public/private partnership in the history of the world, and it was built on five basic principles, the world's best in infra infrastructure, best education, best research best immigration policy, and best rules to incentivize risk taking and prevent recklessness. to me until and unless we get back to candidates who are really promoting those rules for the 21st century, we're going to be stuck. we're talking about such marginal side issues. the thing you have to remember is the world is getting a lot faster now. when you need to go at 20 miles per hour, well if you went to the wrong navigational coordinates, you can get back on track fairly easily. but if you're going 2,000 miles an hour and you enter the wrong navigational coordinates or you have the wrong pilots you can get really far off track very fast. and the cost of getting back on track can be enormous. and right now, as i listen to this campaign that's really what i'm missing. >> and can you believe it it's been almost five years since we had you on to talk about that "that used to be us." have you seen any progress over the five years, any reason to hope? are we five years further down that wrong road 1234. >> i think we're five years further down the wrong road in that we have more interest groups with more power to stop us going from any direction they want. we have what frank calls more of a veto-ocracy today, and it has become a legalized form of prescribe bribery that has more to do with american idol than congress. that's people following on twitter, there they go i must get ahead of my people and lead them. what do they want? rather than thinking about the long-term national interest. the trump phenomena is in many ways the crystallization of it. i think what americans are starved for, which maybe donald trump is feeding them in a way, is they're starved for someone to surprise them. i would say surprise them on the upside by speaking frankly about the problems we have about the challenges we have, about the hard things we all have to do now. the big hard things we all have to do to get our country where it can and needs to be to deliver the american dream for the next generation. i think the tragedy of trump is that rather than surprising us with intelligent ideas that he is a businessman knows, about infrastructure investment education, the right rules and regulations. we're off on an immigration jag. i'm all for a high wall for immigration. i want a really high wall but you know what joe? i want a big gate in the wall to let in the kind of energetic people, the kind of high-iq risk takers who have made remade and re-energized this country generation after generation. let's build a high wall but let's make sure it has a very big gate too. >> of course who most recently helped build silicon valley and the miracle that is. all right, tom friedman as always, a great honor to have you with us. thanks so much for being here. >> my pleasure, joe. thank you. no fifth grader's ever sat at the cool table. but your jansport backpack is permission to park it wherever you please. hey. that's that new gear feeling. now get a swiss gear backpack for only $10. office depot officemax. gear up for school. gear up for great. when broker chris hill stays at laquinta and fires up free wi-fi, with a network that's now up to 5 times faster than before you know what he can do? let's see if he's 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elections for the presidency in the united states of america, a sober task we must undertake with great discretion and seriousness of purpose. but [ bleep ]. this guy is so much fun. >> then i see rick perry the other day. he put glasses on so people will think he's smart. and it just doesn't work. >> i want to watch him all the time. and yet i feel so dirty. like i'm not just letting myself down, i'm letting down the forefathers of this great fashion who entrusted us to steward their speerm but they never came up against anything like this guy. john hancock he's a loser. hey, what kind of a loser needs to put his name in giant letters on everything. hey, what john hancock, what a loser. no, no, i won't do it. >> welcome back everybody. time to talk about what we learned. >> what a week on "morning joe." a lot of different presidential candidates, and trump concerned he wasn't mentioned enough. mark, what did you learn? >> mr. trump might be open to a path to citizenship or legal status for those here illegally who he says numbered in the 30 millions. >> what did you learn? >> donald trump loves my dad and he should because he's a great man, but he's still on the fence about me. >> as he should be. amy? >> i learned eugene robinson is easily flattered and he has a boy crush on donald trump. >> joe, did you learn anything? >> i learned an awful lot. i learned that donald trump loves playing the reps and even when they're talking about him nonstop, he'll go up and go all bobby knoit on them. pretty stunning stuff. but this campaign is like none we have seen in quite some time. we will see if all those preaching gloom and doom for donald trump get it right one of these days. if it's way too early, what time is it? >> time for "morning joe." now it's time for "the rundown." have a great weekend. hi everybody. i'm thomas roberts in for jose diaz-balart. jose is on assignment among the border in texas. first, breaking news on msnbc. new details from police about that deadly shooting that happened at a crowded movie theater in lafayette, louisiana, last night. the shooter has been identified. he is 59-year-old john russell houser. this picture of him coming in to us just seconds ago. law enforcement describe him as a drifter who is from alabama. police say he fired off 13 rounds in this crowded theater, and here's the latest on those killed and the casualties involved. two people are dead. police have just identified them as mayci breaux and jillian johnson. nine others wounded, one critically, after the gunman opened fire in the crowded theater before fatally shooting himself. >> the quick response by law enforcement is believed to have prevented further deaths. >> when we evacuated the theater, there was a young female, middle aged female lying down. she was shot in her leg. there was blood, and she was on the curb. when they asked her what happened she said she was shot inside the theater. and some guys had picked her up and brought her outside and put her on the curb. >> so just moments ago, the governor bobby jindal praised what he called act of heroism by two teachers wounded in this attack. >> two teachers here on summer break wanted to come see one final movie, a comedy as they were getting ready for school to start

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