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>> that's how i feel. but i'm saying if you're going to feel that way, make sure you feel that way there instead of like upstate new york. >> oh, yeah. >> wow. what a surprise. i mean i'll be honest with you, i'm surprised by a lot of things. i wasn't surprised by this. >> big victory. >> it was a huge vigctory. i think i was surprised that the conservatives picked up as many street as they did. outright majority. they weren't even calling for that last night. i will say obviously a political earthquake up in scott land. but jeffrey sachs, to set this up, david cameron will be prime minister again conservatives just thumped labour. ed millie band you know it's bad when traxaxi drivers say they picked the wrong miliband. and david miliband is much more liked.when taxi drivers say they picked the wrong miliband. and david miliband is much more liked. but in '79, there was a definite reason for thatcher. when tony blair i think '97 just swamped the conservatives, you could see there was a time for that change. there was just nothing to justify a change this time. >> i think on the contrary you could say they governed well because cameron and osbourne prime minister and chancellor came in in a deep crisis in 2010, and they got the economy going again. they got it stabilized they got the debt crisis britain was facing under control and they created a lot of jobs and they got rewarded last night. >> and an earthquake in scotland, not a liberal earthquake, but political earthquake, including the youngest member to be elected to parliament since the 17th century. >> scotland is going to be an earthquake because the question of whether united kingdom remains the united kingdom is clearly a reality. >> sure doesn't look like this morning it will. >> two biggest challenges is keeping the country intact and i think the odds are against it and the relationship with europe. mr. cameron promised a referendum before the end of 2017 and whether britain remains within europe. again we're not clear how that will go. at best it will be a 2, 2 1/2 year distraction. at worst, it could bring the uk out of europe. >> and look itat the headlines talking about continued crises in eurozone somewhere the guest of margaret thatcher is rising over parliament and laughing a being mocking laugh. that certainly had something to do with conservatives winning, too .let's go to katty kay right now. she doesn't go as much about this topic as of course we do, but she does work for the bbc. >> but that won't stop you, joe. >> never has. so katty, were you surprised by the overwhelming victory by conservative? >> i was staggered by the size of the conservative victory and sxwrat great loser were the opinion poulters. there had never been a single poll in the run skrup to this that predicted what actually happened and that was a resounding victory for conservative party where returns say they have held on to parliament. there has been a late surge in support after polls predicted an incredibly close election as i said. and with partial results and exit polls prediction showing tories with a solid lead ed miliband was dismayed by the swing towards the national lisists in scotland birth place of course of tony blair. >> above all, i want to bring our country together a united kingdom together, not least by implementing as fast as we can the definite solution that we rightly promised and came together with other parties to agree both for wales and for scotland. >> this has clearly been a very disappointing and difficult night for the labour party. we haven't made the gains we wanted in england and wales and in scotland we've seen a surge of nationalism overwhelm our party. >> so you have david cameron victorious, he'll go to the queen this morning and announce his attention to form a new government. that's the protocolettocol in britain. but you have to ask yourself what does it look like in five years term. because you have the very real prospect of the scott oig-- a lion roared last night is how it's being described. you have the prospect of a referendum in britain's place in the european union next year. if i'm sitting in the white house this morning and i'm look at that special relationship i'm look at the prospect of a special relationship with a very diminished partpartner. >> what is it about british elections that yield the surprising results the morning after? 1980, we were all shock that had ronald reagan won as big as he won. but this has happened quite a lot in recent preliminary history. john major wasn't supposed to win. we all woke up the next morning that major had one. toney blair looking at the results in 1997 and people were absolutely staggered by the size of that victory. and here we once again have a staggering victory this time by conservatives. what is it about the british electorate that yields so many surprising results the morning after? >> i was at similar event last night and people were all asking that question. why did the pollsters got it so wrong. my only thought on this is that people in britain do tend to vote tactically much more often than they do here in the united states. so i think this was as much a vote to keep the snp, the scottish nationalist party, out of government as it was a vote in favor of the tories party. the conservative party. it's not as if they woke up and said, wow, we love david cameron. they were thinking if we have the scottish nationalist party in westminster, in government, we didn't like that and so we'll vote tory to keep them out. >> i did hear that last night. >> and british people don't always tell the truth to pollsters. there is a bit of bringprivacy as they would say. and there was a sense you can only handle so many variables at once. uk independence party, the right wing party that was anti-europe, did much worse than expected. liberal democrats, coalition partner, between much worse than expected. so what there was was a consolidation around something i would at least give a little bit more continuity. >> and you're talked about how the conservatives did pretty well, they governed pretty well. why do you say that? >> because they brought about a good economic recovery. >> how did thisey do that? >> by very moderate steady course. when they came in, they said we are financially unstable, we have to get the definitecits down. we have to govern with predict ability, we have to govern in the middle. and year by year they kept the course of reducing the deficits andgovern in the middle. and year by year, they kept the course of reducing the deficits and that started the economy going again. >> people like paugl krugman would be critical of quote, austerity in britain. >> just a month ago i said to paul in a column why are you complaining so much, they have a strong recovery and they have done it the way they said they would, which is getting the deficit under control and getting growth going. >> are you saying paul krugman knows what is better for the british people than the british people? that's surprising. >> i think the british people give the message yesterday. it's the fact that they trust the current government for their economic management. because it's a middle of the road predictable, sensible economic policy. >> first of all, he was the other big loser last night, mr. krugman. this is a big ideological victory. mr. miliband got hammered in the last bbc question time their version of the debate over labour spend thrift ways the last time this government. people said we don't trust you to go back into government and to control the purse strings and i think this was a real referendum on the general sense that con receiver differences were better stewards. >> he is dreadful. he is just a dreadful public figure. and i'm not exactly sure how david, who lights up the camera every time he's on the camera, certainly every time he comes here. you just wonder why he chose the wrong you do have to wonder what's david thinking this morning. >> it's the talk of london today, what is david miliband thinking about this election, is he thinking that if he had been leader of the labour party then there would have been a very different outcome. the brits do feel that the economy has recovered somewhat but there are lots of brits suffering from the austerity measures. it's not that they suddenly think, wow, the conservative party is the obvious answer to britain's economic problems. i think if there had been a strong leader of the labor party, one who looked like a prime minister, then you could have had a gift outcome, possibly if david millie band i'm sure that's what he's waking up positioning. the other winner last night, though jim massena. he was the adviser to the cameron campaign, for the a lot of flack in britain for crossing the aisle. if i'm hillary clinton this morning, i'm thinking never bet against jim massena's ability to win elections. >> so does david miliband have a second act or is he done? >> i see no reason why he couldn't go back to britt tip. at the moment, he's in new york running an international crisis group. he could well go back and run again in the labour party. you have to get the party to vote for you. you get voted in as leader of the labour party. i don't see that he's out. >> michael steele. >> i want to pick up on the point about how the us a therapy package played out in these leaks. and i think in is some real lessons here for republicans as we go this to the next presidential election in terms of what is the conservative message to the american people about governing, managing the economy, deficit spending all of that. i think there are real important lessons we can pick up as we look at this british outcome. >> michael, i would agree with that. but i would say that one of the lessons is govern in the center not in the right. because this was a government very much in the center. one of the great things they did from my point of view and the point of view of the uk population is that they expanded foreign assistance for example. they said that's uk's role in the world. we'll do good things. the public supports that about that they are for climate change control. all of those things very moderate down the middle trustworthy. and i think that's a very important part of the story. >> i think the key thing there is that what was never lost in this, this was still the conservative party. these were till the tories. so given the lits any off litany of things you laid out, there was nothing not conserveativeconservative, but it's how they implemented those policies in a conservative way and measured way i think that made a big difference. >> one area that was not conservative was defense spending. they dramatically cut defense and one of the reasons that their role diminished. you have no longer the capacity to act globally. and second of all, when they voted against gettinging involved in syria, what it showed is that the british political center not just labour but also the conservative, aren't as interventionists. and i think what katty said was right. it means that the predictability of britain being a major partner of the united states that's simply not there for the foreseeable future. >> joe, we talk about david cameron being conservative, but it's a very different model from what we look at in the republican party here. david cameron during the course of his campaign has proposed shifting the burden of taxes more greatly on to the wealthy, raising taxes on the wealthy. he's also defended the national health service and says that he won't be cutting any of the spending for the national health service. so this is not what you would hear republican politicians talking about on the campaign raising taxes on the rich and defending a national health service. it's a different model. >> just as tony blair absorbed thatcherism, you have david cameron who has absorbed blairism if you want to call it that. >> they're govern management the middle. i would also say that they are in a very important role on the international stage, just not the way some people here might want them to be. it's not mainly through the military but mainly through diplomacy. >> do you see any slight mirror reflection in what happened in britain yesterday to what happened in the united states in 2012? you have an incumbent writing that he's threatened the polls are narrowing, there is a recovery going on. he's -- the economy has been sort of fixed up. jobs are on the move. people are saying this will be close, romney will be in and boom. >> and i always say in congressional elections, you can beat something with nothing. you just can't do that in presidential elections and you can't do it here. and labour offered nothing that just filed changing course. >> that's right. >> absolutely nothing. i will say, just a point on what richard said as far as cutting defense spending, i don't like -- i like when the united states talks about trimming back on defense spending. i don't like when britain does because let's face it pretty continue is getting a tree ride off of u.s. taxpayers and american troops and germany is. and japan is. i really do think the next person running for president needs to talk about having united states defense -- have the pentagon needs to be right sized. we're outspending $550 billion, you have barack obama and republicans fighting about who can spend even more than that. barack obama complaining that $550 billion for defense is not enough. well, great britain -- i'm sorry, they're on a vacation from history. >> the difference is they don't feel that they're getting value for money and we're not certainly. we've wasted as we agreed trillions of dollars on these stupid wars and they don't want to be part of that. >> but it's not just stupid wars. the fact they're in a position where they can cut defense spending and there is no impact to them because we're their guarantor. i'm tired of being their guarantor and japan's guarantor. they're saying the united states will snd theirend their sons and daughters to die in wars that -- >> i don't think that's the point actually. i think the point is that they didn't feel that the foreign policy path that we have pursued is a smart one. and it hasn't been. >> i disagree with that, but as a percentage of gdp, we are spending on defense -- they disagree with the fundamentals. in asia, they want us to do more. >> everybody wants us to do more thousand. now. >> and what we're doing is modest. as a percentage of gdp about, post world war ii average, what the united states is now spending is in no way stretching our economy. it's actually at lower level for most of the last 60 70 years. so we should be spend wlaging what we're spending better. and congress is the problem. the actual macro levels of defense spending are -- >> but at the same time you can look at transportation, you could look at education, you can look at spending in a lot of other areas and say that we're not spending enough. >> we're not spending it right. in most cases of public policy, you know this this from your time in congress, it's less how much you spend than how you spend it. it's true of defense and true with everything else. >> i know we're spending more on one weapon system on a plane by the end than we would thehave spent in all of iraq. i was on the armed services committee. only committee where you couldn't figure out who the republicans and democrats were. you're trying to figure out who is the representative from boeing, from lockheed from mcdonnell douglas. and i think a lot of american, i resent europe, japan and other cubsould you be countries getting a free ride off of u.s. taxpayers. >> you don't think that window has passed? i think there was a time for that and it seems like over the last 12 to 15 months the pend uhe lum has swung pack in a major way to where rand paul talking in any way -- it's not isolation isolationist isolationist, but something that can be paint that had way. >> and ted cruz is talking about something in between what rand paul wants and what lindsey graham would want. more of a colin powell approach. but i think what concerns me about the debate around defense spending is the fact that it's been driven by the video of beheadings of two americans. and they were horrific videos. they made me sick. they made me tear up. but am i going to completely change my viewpoint on how much money the pent gone should be given every year because we're playing into isis' hands? i don't think so. and if you want to talk about percentage of gdp, talk about transportation as a percentage of gdp. let's talk about the fact that -- >> highway trust funds's bankrupt this month. >> the highway trust fund's bankrupt this month. flyer is not safer than ever even though there are fewer accidents. we need to rebuild america's infrastructure and that's not happening as long as we keep piling more and more money into the pentagon. >> we do need to do more in in-from straukt and the amount of public money that would take a opposed to private is not great. but we also have china and all sorts of issues to manage in asia. we have russia ukraine, the gap between nato capabilities and commitments is large. the middle east is burning. there are some useful things do there. >> but the answer is not always spending more money. it would be nice if we excerpted some soflt power, it would be nice if we had a commander in chief that didn't always paint it as an all or nothing. we have to bomb them or we have to do nothing. there are millions of things we can do. >> and one of them is an adequate defense. and this president, you should like him. the negotiations in iran are an example of using a diplomatic instrument. doctor. >> or ukraine. >> when we've just ignored what we've -- >> it's an example of sanctions rather than going this with the military. >> i don't think anybody supgted going in with the military, but putin has been allowed to get away -- there is a example of it's not war, but i still don't understand why we don't send more troops to poland. say we'll be doing military exercises until you stop doing your military exercises in ukraine ukraine. >> there is a gap between what we're committed to do and what we can do. >> this conversation can question on for three hours. and in fact it will. still ahead the fbi alerted police about the prophet muhammad cartoon contest three hours before the attack. should the warning have come sooner? plus officials and i there is a lot more than just pizza on the menu at one new york city menu. what police say was taking place after hours and the very interesting discoveries made inside. let's go right now to bill karins, he has check on the forecast. bill, are we going to have a nice weekend? >> in the east no problems whatsoever unless you're on the care carry coastline. middle of the country tornado alley will live up to its reputation right through mother's day weekend. let me show you the risk area today. this will be an early developing system. i think that we can go through mid afternoon, we'll start getting some tornadoes. so a lot of tough calls for sending kids home early from school in oklahoma and north texas. we could even have a few strong tornadoes. big outbreak will be saturday afternoon and evening. almost the same exact area. so day after day, they're getting hit. and finally it looks like areas just to the west of oklahoma city, we'll see the worth of it. and mother's day it starts to trend downwards. we're not going to see it as bad, but we'll still see strong storms dallas little rock, kansas city, des moines. hope flyfully we'll get through it without too much damage. boys? 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>> i'm here. exactly. >> i was saying back stage we're getting a little lats in thee in the evening for you. what time are you up? >> 3:30 in the morning. every frickin' morning. do you adjust to it on the weekends, can you sleep in on the weekends? >> no i'm up bright and early saturday and sunday. you should see me out jogging. >> you should like farm on the weekends. >> you wouldn't believe my life. >> you don't have to wake up the same time. >> no i wake up at about 6:00 a.m.. >> not fair. >> so less hair less makeup. you don't have to worry about that. you don't have to sit in the chair as long. how far away do you live from here? >> well, i'm in connecticut half the time other half of the time i'm on the upper west side. and so the record is actually getting a call from my executive producer at 5:56 like dude the show starts in four minutes. >> and he made it. >> that was chris who called me up. >> that was this morning. >> that was actually this morning. thank god. i will say that. thank god i slept in this suit last night. made all the difference in the world. i just passed out and boom got up. >> thank god i saw you on the bench outside. >> let's go to the morning papers. baltimore sun justice department will be opening a full scale civil rights investigation into the baltimore place department. a person familiar with the probe told the paper an announcement could come as early as today. now, this news comes a day after the mayor stephanie rawlings-blake asked for the inquiry and less than a week after criminal charges were filed against six officers all involved allegedly in the death of freddie gray. >> and from nbcnews.com, a u.s. drone strike reportedly kills the man who claimed responsibility for the "charlie hebdo" attack in paris. he was a senior leader of the al qaeda in the arabian peninsula the yemeni branch. u.s. official confirms he's dead but wouldn't say if it's because of the drone strike. and the "tribune," as the cavaliers prepare to take on the bulls, cavs are looking it rebound from a public relations fowl. during game three on wednesday, the team ran a video on its scoreboard intends to go spoof a tv commercial where a couple falls while attempting the famous lift from the movie dertirty dancing. he violently throws her over a sofa. take a look. ♪ because i've had the time of my life ♪ >> i didn't know you were a bulls fan. i can't believe she's a bulls fan. >> when it's playoff basketball time you have to be all in. so don't make the same mistake she made. >> i thought you were all in. >> well, i'm all in now. let's just watch the game. >> wow. >> so unfunny on so many levels. >> wow. >> who was the gene just whoenneius who thought that one up? it's good that they weren't paying attention to any of the last year two years, 15 years, 20 years of anything related to this subject matter to not recognize that that might be problematic. >> why didn't they just ask ray lewis or jameis winston to star in the commercial? unbelievable. any way, the cavaliers issued an apology saying while the video was not intended to be offensive, it was a mistake to include content that made light of domestic violence. >> got the that oneat one right. >> that made light of domestic violence. we sincerely apologize for the obvious negative feelings caused by being exposed to this insensitive video. >> better news for women now the new york time the number of highly educated women who remain childless into their mid-40s has dropped stigly over the last two decades. that's according to a new analysis. women in their 40s with an m.d. or phd. saw the steepest declines. in 1994 35% were childless, today that stands at only 20%. 22% of women with a master's degree or hireare higher on childless. authors say changing attitudes may be feeding this trend as it becomes more acceptable for working women to become moms. i also hope it's companies allowing working women to work and have kids at the same time. >> that's great. we need smart babies. just to counter act me and my impact. smarter the better. anyway, the associated press, police have broken up a trafficking ring allegedly run out of a pizzaeria in queens. i thought that would -- i was like they don't need a cab, i can ride home! anyway they were running the command center for the international operation out of the pizzeria. investigateors say they also found a cache inside the safe which contained several weapons, ammunition and $100,000. the probe is continuing and investigators say its on's how much money was actually generated from the criminal ring. you never know what issis in that kitchen. >> extremely efficient. >> very appreciate operation. >> well, coming up on "morning joe," secretary of state john kerry says the nuclear deal with iran will guarantee that the u.s. will know if tehran was trying to make the bomb. while the weekly standard's bill kristol says no. and why former governor howard dean probably sees things a little differently and i would guess that we have somebody else onset that would, too. we'll be right back. my school reunion. i don't know. who wants to play in idaho? 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>> it's referring to what he said in israel this week. he said i absolutely guarantee that we will have the ability to know what the iranians are doing so we can stop them if they decide to move to iraq. whateveror view is on negotiations are a annon iran, but no expert, no one who studies these programs think you can -- >> why do you think he's make the guarantee? >> he's trying to reassure krit he cans of the deal. but he make the honest case of the deal. >> is there any deal that you could make with iran that you would support,ly deal whatsoever? >> sure. the original demand of the u.n. security council which is not just an american demand the entire u.n. security can still, disassemble their nuclear weapons program. >> i hate to say it i'm not going to go with all the infect difference about john kerry, but -- >> howard does not do in-vehicle difference. >> oh, yes, i do it very well. >> wait until we get into the hillary clinton stuff.>> oh, yes, i do it very well. >> wait until we get into the hillary clinton stuff. i actually on substance think that the iranians are not to be trusted. the iranian government. >> that's right. you've said that. >> and i'm not opposed to a deal. i just worry about this one a lot. >> it's a interest deal and it's not just secretary kerry that negotiated it. this is six countries that have negotiated it. china, russia, france, uk querm germany, united states. >> the french seem to be more concerned than we did it. >> but they signed. you have u 5 plus one. >> i'm really impressed china and russia -- >> well, sorry, this -- >> those are countries that really care about -- >> care about a nuclear weapon in iran? yes, they do sir. >> really, is that why russia is selling them the s-300, helping them build nuclear plants? >> we're talking about the spread of nuclear weapons and they care. and the idea that had we'll listen to the neo cons of the united states who told us about weapons of mass destruction in iraq and got us into this dozen year mess -- >> that'spathetic. tell me about israel. >> you have into 2k3wr50u7sgroups opposeing this and -- >> israel can't have an opinion? >> of course they can. but we don't have to agree with it. >> you mentioned the neo cons -- >> i said two groups opposing it and the rest of the world sooupt supporting. that's the difference. >> arab states are supporting it? >> yes. >> nonsense. have you talked to anyone from jordan or uae or egypt? >> they want to move forward. >> do the sunni states support this? i mean obviously we've heard that saudi arabia is concerned about it, egypt is concerned about it. >> everybody is concerned, but everybody wants to find a way to move forward. so there is strong support around the world for this agreement. which is why you have unanimity among the permanent five members of the security country still. this is not a u.s. agreement. >> unanimity four years ago for iran having to disassemble their nuclear weapons and we dakbacked down to iran. >> richard haass, let's bring you in. somehow john how is john kerry as a negotiator? do you associate yourself with the words of bill kristol? >> at the moment there are real questions about the deal. let's see what it is the iranians have to perform and what we can vverify. the bigger question what is the intrusiveness. it's about whether we get enough confidence so we have the warning time we need so if the iranians do decide not to comply, we have sufficient time to respond to it. and that seems to me the critical question over the next ten years and the later phases of this after certain limits have been reached. so i think you have to keep an open mind. we don't yet have an agreement. let's see where we are come skrun 30june 30. >> katty kay, what's the feeling this europe? >> i think jeffrey is right on this one. in europe generally the feeling is that an agreement is much better than no agreement. and that the case for military action was never really made by those that opposed the negotiations. and this they want toat they want to see this succeed. everybody has reservations and as the white house has said the mantra is distrust and verify. no one is suggesting that they will trust the iranians to live up to their end of the bargain because we've never seen that before. but really what was the alternative? 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>> you mean elections? >> yes. >> well, if you look through the history of the relationship between moscow and washington, every time every period of elections, you will see that unfortunately most frequently bilateral relations were let's say victim to political games during elections. we do want to believe that whoever is elected as the new american president will stay for cure in our bilateral relationship, at least we'll be ready for that. >> could be another clinton or another bush. >> it's not our business. it's america's business. >> which would you prefer. >> america is telling us who will be our next president and we would they ever put our nose in your business. >> reporter: and thousandnow we know the sanctions are because of ukraine, but as rushsia prepares to hold the parade tomorrow and the millions who died accusing european governments not come and they're clearly fewer krus. >> do you want me to be sign sear with you? >> yes, please. >> we have to avoid situations when indifferent european capital, american ambassadors are visiting presidents telling them what do and what not to do in terms of their relationship and the russian federation. in contrary feeling itself sovereign and independent will not -- >> i did push him on what they would think of a president clinton. he described in that context president putin as very pragmatic. so clearly he's a diplomat. >> all right. thank you so much. we greatly appreciate it. fascinating, jeff sacks oig. >> interesting interview. a lot of it is about russia feeling they have their sphere of influence and you leave us here. and this is big power politics. >> are they content where they are, will they move towards kiev over time? >> i don't think they will move toward kiev, but they will insist ukraine is part of their sphere of influence. >> isn't it interesting that that clip of barack obama whispering to wait until after i'm elected, we'll have more room to maneuver and operate, and the relationship has just gotten worse. i feel compelled -- you travel around the world. you can answer that question that mark halperin always asks in interviews. name a country where the united states has better relations today than they did before barack obama became president. other than cuba and iran. >> well, trhere are a lot of problems in the world. >> you can name a country, though? >> i would say japan. look at how close the relations are with prime minister abe. so i don't think it's like that but i do position that there are so many mistakes that have been made in u.s. foreign policy also through the middle east and 5u78all the recent we're in a mess. >> coming up next, we'll go life to new hampshire as chris christie tries to revive his possible 2016 bid. the polls looking challenging, but kasie hunt asks him a question that he said was, quote, such a silly question i won't answer it. that sounds like a question kasie would ask. plus we'll continue our debate away the table and howard dean's here. it will be interesting. another howard debate on -- >> i want some popcorn. >> charge 100 bucks for pay per view. >> we need to. peggy noonan comparing bill and hillary to bonnie and clyde. these days you may be hearing more about data breaches in the news. it's possible your personal information may be at risk. research shows that if your information is compromised due to a data breach you are 6 times more likely to become a victim of identity theft. now is the time to get protection. sign up today and lifelock will begin monitoring your personal information, including your social security number alert you about suspicious activity and if needed, take steps to help restore your losses. you only have one identity. protect it with the best. lifelock. success starts with the right connections. introducing miracle-gro liquafeed universal feeder. turn any hose connection into a clever feeding system for a well-fed garden. miracle-gro. life starts here. from the beginning you're always on call for them... twenty-four/seven. so cigna is on call for you. with our health information line on mother's day. and every day. cigna. together, all the way. how much protein does your dog food have? 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>> i do. >> richard has actually answered halperin's question. it's a good one. name other than iran and cuba a country where the united states has better relations. we had japan jeffrey sacks oig answered gentleman a pan.japan. and you named another -- >> just a country with 1.3 billion people called india. was improving under the previous president and improved more under this one. >> we have a lot to talk about. we have mike barnicle richard haas howard dean michael steele billity kristol, katty kay. and katty last night, resounding victory for the conservative party. a political earthquake. >> yeah none of the polls had predicted what happened last night. at the moment, we have the return saying that the conservative party have held on to parliament. they got a late surge in support after they had been predicted to have an incredibly close election. partial results and exit poll projections are now showing that the conservatives with a solid lead. prime minister david cameron is now looking beyond the election to governing. and the labour party leader, ed medically band, has offered an early concession he's dismayed by the swing towards the nationalists in scotland home of the former labor prime minister gore dan browndon brown and of course birth place of tony blair. >> before all, i want to bring our country together our united kingdom together not least byism breakmenting as fast as we can the devolution that we rightly promised and came together with other parties to agree both for wales and for scotland scotland. >> the results are still coming in, but this has clearly been a very disappointing and difficult night for the labour party. we haven't made the gains we wanted in england and wales. and in scotland, we've seen a surge of nationalism overwhelm our party. >> katty, i'm sorry, trying to have a serious conversation. mike barnicle just identified the dude in the back there as ed miliband's imaginary friend. who is that guy? >> and how does he think he'll make ed miliband look anymore prime minuteministerial. miliband doesn't need any more images like that one going away. >> i don't think so. so just breaking news nick clegg has announced that he's resigning after a disastrous night last night. what happened to the liberal democrats who had a betit of an upswing last election? >> i think this was a soul searching moment for liberal democrats. they lost the center of the party in a sense when they got into the coalition with the conservative party. and a lot of liberal democratic supporters felt very betrayed by nick clegg and the concession that's made to the conservatives. and that's kind of what you have to do when you're part of a coalition government. but it sucked the heart out of the liberal democrats and they were the biggest -- they and the opinion pollsters who predicted this was going to be close were the biggest losers in last night's election. and the scottish national party and conservatives were definitely the biggest winners. >> i actually have done some work with nick and i was involved with the decision to get into ghoechlt with then tointo government with the conservative conservatives. i like him a lot and he did it for good reasons. he didn't want to refute the voters at the balance will thelt balance will the box lot box. he'll step down as leader of the liberal democrats. but it was he'll step down as leader of the liberal democrats. but it wasthe box lot box. he'll step down as leader of the liberal democrats. but it was a very painful period for him. you could see him behind cameron time and time again looking as if he had a stomach and i can. >> oig. >> he took one for the team. much easier to be a small party on the outside than it is on the inside. but at the end of the day, you have to go along or bring down the government and you couldn't do well in an election if you were responsible for bringing down the government. the other person is ed miliband. i'm not sure he survives. >> no. >> i think he's gone as well. >> one phenomenon we've now had tree straight elections in english speaking countries basically, hidden conservative vote that didn't show up in the polls. exact same for cameron here in britain. and november '14, republicans outperformed iowa -- british have a great term for it shy tories. so these are conserve testifyative voters who don't want to tell the pollster on the phone. and there is some of that in israel and some in the u.s.. >> well, jeffrey so much of that is driven by a fear we've already talked about it this morning, a fear of what was happening in scotland, they just simply does not want to empower the scottish nationalists anymore. >> there is a positive side that needs to be stressed. they managed a good economic recovery and that was much appreciated. labour opposition really had nothing to say on the economy because the economy is growing, jobs are being created, the employment rate is at an all-time high and vastly better than anything in their neighborhood in europe. so basically they have done a good job. >> katty, is that the view this london? >> i think that's the view. the fear has to be what happens next. there are two very big issues facing britain. the first is a referendum on whether britain remains part of the europe. could have global implications because of the economy. and the second is that now that you don't have the scottish nationalist party tied to a governing coalition in the house of westminster, in the houses of parliament in london there is little to stop the scots of saying we'll go for independent inside sooner rather than later about and imagine what happens then. you have england, wales and northern ireland without scotland and no longer part of the european union. it's not too big a stretch to start thinking about that prospect. what does that mean for what is left of great britain, and what does that mean for the united states takes looks at its closest ally across the atlantic. >> and michael steele last hour you said republicans could learn from the conservative victory in england. how? >> i think that there is a lot to the messaging. i think to the point that bill talked about those shy tories. we have shy conservatives here. we do have folks as we saw in the last election who will come out to the polls if the messaging is right. and i think the governing question for the gop going into '16 will be very, very important. and i don't think the extremes on either side will play that well. you can take that conservative message and package it as we saw david cameron do in some tough moments by the way, and bringing though shy tories or con receiver difference its serve differences to the polls. >> yeah, republicans have been so shy. let's hope for our sake republicans sake that we become a bit less shy. >> and i figured out who that person was behind himmiliband. that was his anger tranceslator. >> all right. let's move to american politics and go to iowa where 60% of likely democratic caucusgoers still pick hillary clinton for 2016 in a new quinnipiac poll. just a one point drop from february. senator bernie sanders is a distant second and ahead of joe biden. if you're biden, you've got to be saying give me a break. >> hillary clinton is 60%, which is very impressive, but it means 40% of them are open to someone other than hillary clinton. if iowa votes tomorrow and it's clinton and sanders sanders will get 30% 535% of the votes. and bernie sanders can't be elected, howard could be. bernie would wound hillary clinton and then howard gets in. mccarthy wounded lbj. so you're sitting here with the next nominee. >> only person who thinks i should run for bill kristol, i'm in really serious trouble. >> that is true. >> so let's ask a question we talked about it off the air. al gore younger than hillary clinton. john kerry, younger than hillary clinton. both of these gentlemen came -- >> a little he's older. >> that's what i said. older than hillary clinton. it's friday okay? so let's go -- let's ask the question, why wouldn't a guy like al gore who still thinks he won and a lot of people believe he won, most democrats believe he won about this 2000 or john kerry who is being called mr. president -- >> there is a life after politics. >> no, there's not. >> i'm having a great time with what i'm doing. >> i see you twitching in the corner. you're sobbing at 6:25 this morning. >> i'm doing some teaching some working in washington. >> you know what i'm hearing, it's like straight out of the pea nuts. there is a life after politics and these days it's not bad. who would want to be in the house is this. >> why is it that at 6:10 you're in the greenroom and i walk past and you were whistling hail to the chief. >> he has that on his iphone. >> i guess a good question would be why would anybody want to stick their neck out especially now because it is so brutal and that's a perfect segue to the "wall street journal's" editorial by peggy noonan. i wonder if anybody except hillary clinton could survive such a book as "clinton cash". i suspect she can because the clintons are unique. they are protected from charges of corruption by their reputation for corruption. it's just not news any more. they're like bonnie and clyde go on a spree, hold up a bunch of banks, it causes a sensation, there is a trial, and they're acquitted. they walk out of the courthouse get in a car, rob a bank, get hauled in, complain they're being picked on and again the not guilty. they rob the next bank and no one cares. that's just bonnie and clyde doing what bonnie and clyde do. no one else cares. why should i. the ball is high on the tee. you've got the bat in your hand howard dean, respond. this is going to be fun. >> this kind of column is exactly why this stuff blows over. the right wing appears to be frothing they mouth. i'll tell you something truthful. i'm not saying this for spin or whatever. >> so this part is true. >> i love it when people talk about benghazi because every time benghazi is mentioned, everybody thinks of the republican lunatics who brought this up and darrell issa. only trick that was truthful was when mike rogers left the chair and said this benghazi stuff is all bs. this is becoming benghazi. there is no there there. we can argue about that. >> isn't it early to come to that conclusion? >> i came to the conclusion when i read all the stuff. there is no there there. and i say great. let the right talk about this the more they talk about it the crazier they will -- >> bill kristol, respond. >> the clinton foundation is unseemly at best. their behavior has been unseem will he at best and it will hurt her. in new hampshire, the state where the kennedys spent the most time there is a poll out yesterday, nonpartisan poll she is behind. she has dropped over the last two, three months. she's running a little behind marco rubio and jeb bush and scott walker. >> is there a there there oig with all the clinton stuff? >> what's the there is the question. >> it's a quid pro quo. >> i'm not sure about that but should a secretary of state -- >> john roland getting a hot tub in his backyard? >> it's above the level of john roland. >> rides it the level of bob may getting a golf trip to scotland. >> or bob mcdonnell getting helped out with a daughter's wedding? yeah the amount of greed and unseemliness and total lack of concern for your secretary of state of the united states you have plenty of money, you and your husband, and he's out giving speeches. >> they have to pair those bills. >> soliciting grants for a foundation from foreign governments,yir those bills. >> soliciting grants for a foundation from foreign governments,r those bills. >> soliciting grants for a foundation from foreign governments, those bills. >> soliciting grants for a foundation from foreign governments, looks like it could affect u.s. policy. totally inappropriate. >> this is all allegations of bs. great trial lawyerism, but there is no substance to it. there is not one bit of sledhred of proof that hillary clinton changed any policy. the stuff in the book was outrageous. >> should they take money from foreign governments? >> why not? they have helped 485 million people around the globe which is more than any of us at this table have helped and more than the republican candidates. >> they have also helped themselves more -- >> 19%15% of their money goes to charity. that's what charity navigator website says. >> that is -- let's just be truthful. that is so typical of the right wing twisting the truth. the truth is literally you're correct because the way the clintons raise money is that the hone doesn't go to the clinton foundation, it goes directly to the particular charity the clintons are raising money for. so to say 15%, that's exactly why the right has no credibility on this issue. 15% of the hone goes to the charity because the rest of it goes directly to the charities the clintons are helping. >> point taken. let's go to a guy that is certainly not on the far right and who knows a thing or two about claire tis across the world, jeffrey sacks oig. jeffrey, how do you rate what bill clinton has done with his charity and with the money that all the massive millions and millions and millions of dollars that he's raised? >> there is a lot of money sloshing around and everything is blurred. and it's not good. and there is a lot here that is real, whether it's quid pro quos or not who knows. but the amount of schmoozing involved and crossing lines and one person putting money in a foundation, and then clinton getting unbelievable amounts for his speeches, and then contracts going one way or another, it's not good. those blurry lines have been seen by many people. >> i take it you mean many people in the charity field, international relief field? >> yeah. people that work this places like haiti, for example, saw that this massive machine of state department clinton foundation, private businesses, money flowing this everyin every dwreks direction, clinton getting awards with massive price tags, contracts going to the businesses that were giving the awards. nobody liked it. nobody liked it and people saw it for years. >> did this money machine in your opinion ever get in the way of relief getting to the people who needed it the most? >> i think so. because i think that it was a huge distraction from serious policy and serious direction. unfortunately. and that was a widespread feeling of many people that were involved in the relief operations, as well, that this was not a serious approach. it was not a systemic approach. there were too many friends around too many ad hoc plane flights into this deal or that deal. and there was not the systemic approach that one needs after a devastation. that's the sad part of it. just a lot of schmooze factor and a lot of money flowing without clear lines. >> richard haass, would you like to add anything? you're looking uncomfortable at the end of the table. >> honest answer is i don't know. i wasn't on the ground. i don't know. going back to the politics of it the real question is whether this is something that hillary clinton just powers through when you get attacked like this whether she can power through whether it affects the dynamics. and whether coming back to the previous conversation, whether that then opens up a political space on the democratic side. i don't think we know that. >> let's go to new hampshire now with chris christie he was in new hampshire yesterday and he'll be holding events there today, as well. a poll out in the state has christie way down in the gop field, 3% support. behind carly fiorina ben carson rick perry, donald trump and many others. the poll found christie to be the least honest candidate in the republican field. so let's bring in right now kasie hunt. i've been saying for some time that it's not over yet for chris christie. he needs to get out there, do town hall meetings, but obviously not an easy start for the new jersey governor. >> reporter: that's right, joe. and he is getting out here. this is the first of a series of trips he'll make up here this month. he'll be back here next week he'll be back here the week after that. he has a town hall, he gave a speech. no one will be able to accuse him of not working hard if this is what he decides to do. but i think the trust question is really one of the central theme as in 2016. people are fed up with their government they're not sure -- all they want is competence and can they trust governor christie. when i asked him about that he said it was a silly question. but he did go on to say this about bridgegate. >> how can americans trust that a christie white house wouldn't he said up facing indictments? >> you know such a silly question, i'm not even going to answer it. 15 months later, exactly what i said in january of 2014 has turned out to be at least according to all three of the investigations that have now occurred to be exactly what happened. the justice system now will take its course with the people who the united states attorney's office believe are responsible for the incident. i'm not one of those people. nor is any other member of my senior staff. despite all the speculation and all the rest. >> reporter: so i think one thing that could be a potential problem for him here is the disconnect between the issues related to the closing of the bridge and the fact that he's selling mts as somebody who tells it like it is you'll always know where he stands. raises questions about, hey, what are you really doing behind the scenes. and joe, i think that even if he does ultimately catch on in new hampshire, what we'll be watching for lats in this process is whether republicans ultimately turn on him on this because if he looks like he's going to win, i don't think it's out of the question that you'll start hearing jeb bush marco rubio, whoever it is that is in that pack with him start to talk about this and that's a real potential problem for chris christie. >> kasie hunt thank you so much. great job even with the 24 second delay. bill kristol talked to joe running the mississippi republican party and chris christie was down there, he said it was one of the best events they have had all year. he is an intriguing figure. from the looks like he won't gain traction. but you talk to people on the ground, they say chris christie is doing a pretty good job with the actual voters themselves. >> he himself says he has a narrow potential path to the nomination. he'll go basically live in new hampshire as much as he can for the next six months, do i think 100 town halls. he's a colorful guy. he's quick on his feet. and new hampshire has a tradition of rewarding those who spend a lot of time there. >> are you skeptical that it will work in? >> i think there are too many other quality candidates in the field. i wanted him to get in in 2011. but now with walk rubio kasich getting in jeb bush i just think cruz there are too many quality governors, senators other former governors. >> it is a crowded field. >> are you with me six months ago, i would have thought chris christie is perfect for new hampshire but so much time has elapsed. >> that interview was the perfect situation. every time he goes out, i mean voter to voter contact matters in new hampshire. television still matter as lot more because you're just not going to meet every voter. every time he goes out, that will be the news story. it won't be his position on this or that. and the trial starts for his staff july 7. >> really bad timing. >> i've said for years he's a dead man walking. i don't believe he'll get this because i think he'll look at this and say i can't do it. >> still ahead on "morning joe," today marks the 70th anniversary of ve day in europe. we're going it hear the inspiring words from winston churchill from that day. when broker chris hill stays at laquinta he fires up the free wifi with a network that's now up to 5 times faster than before! so he can rapidly prepare his presentation. and when he perfects his pitch, do you know what chris can do? 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>> well, i'd say two things joe. first of all, the prime minister laid out a compelling economic vision and second you had a campaign that tried to take us back to the 1970s and 1980s. all elections are always about the future. especially an economic future. and we won that choice by over 20 points last night and that's why we stunned the world. and it looks like he'll have an absolute majority which i don't think many people thought we'd have. >> so i agree with you david axelrod always tries to take everybody, all the great countries of the world back to the 1970s. you and axelrod have a bet, does he owe you something here a friendly wager? >> no bet. but he is my brother. >> he's your brother that you just slapped down. miliband has a brother, too. >> come on, joe. what are you talking about? >> you know nobody saw this coming. and talk about in part a perfect storm, a good friend of mine ed balls, even lost his seat and around the set we were talking about how you stole a lot of votes from labour candidates like ed. >> yeah it's really true. what you saw last night was the third and fourth parties doing better in some seats and really changing the way politics is done. but what you also saw was a pretty resounding economic mandate for the prime minister. that's whenat the people vote order last night and doctorwhy we won so big all over the place. >> you took a shot on twitter about polls. polling is skewed and all over the place in the u.s. and the uk. there is no difference there. what were you seeing internally and were you surprised, as well, by how big this actually ended up being? >> no we weren't. yeah, i think most public polling is garbage and is wrong. almost every public poll had this race tied the night before the election. we had us winning 315 seats. looks like we'll be in the high 320s. so pretty much what we thought. and it's all about sample size, whether you're doing cell phone, whether panel, whether you're actually understanding the electorate has changed and lots of people are communicating in ways they didn't ten years ago. and i think that most public polling should be shot. it's ridiculous. >> and it's true election after election. >> bill kristol. >> hey gem, conjim, congratulations. scott walker and marco rubio would like to talk to you about running their campaigns. now that you've seen the light, now that you understand the conservative governance is better for liberal sdd, surely you'll want to talk to marco and scott, right? >> i'm all hillary all the time. i'm coming home tomorrow and it's whatever it will take to get hillary. >> that is not good news for conservatives across america. well, jim massena, thank you so much. again congratulations on a massive victory. as they say in english football a massive victory. and i'm sure you had a great time over there, but i'm sure you're looking forward to coming home. >> it's time to come home. thanks guys. see you soon. >> thank you so much. coming up next on "morning joe," jeb bush may be inching closer to a decision about running for president in 2016. but we have the decision he's delaying that announcement. we'll tell you when we come back. there's some facts about seaworld we'd like you to know. we don't collect killer whales from the wild. and haven't for 35 years. with the hightest standard of animal care in the world, our whales are healthy. they're thriving. i wouldn't work here if they weren't. and government research shows they live just as long as whales in the wild. caring for these whales, we have a great responsibility to get that right. and we take it very seriously. because we love them. and we know you love them too. right now, verizon is offering unlimited talk. and text. plus 10 gigs of shareable data. yeah, 10 gigantic gigs. for $80 a month. and $15 per line. more data than ever. for more of what you want. on the network that's #1 in speed. call. data. and reliability. so you never have to settle. $80 a month. for 10 gigs. and $15 per line. stop by or visit us online. and save without settling. only on verizon. shopping for a used car is so intimidating. i mean, you feel like you have to be this expert negotiator to get a fair deal. i hate to haggle. when you go to a restaurant you don't haggle over the chicken parmesan. why can't car-buying be like that? 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are you surprised mike murphy is going to the super pac instead of staying close to jeb where he can actually talk to him? >> this shows you how campaigns are different and the fact that having this hone to to the campaign commercial and as you know mike murphy now in hollywood, has always been a tv guy. he's going where the money is. >> jamie, you have actually written a column about another kand dwatcandidate candidate, mike huckabee you say he's campaigning like a liberal blogger. come on. that was -- you just wanted some -- >> those are fighting words. >> it's hard to tell if he's running for the nomination of the republican party or applying for a job at vox.com. >> oh,,on. >> i'm serious. if you look at his campaign speech one of the primary and praise worthy achievements of the republican party led by paul rye arrangesan they have spoken out on the need for reform. mike huckabee has dwemem demagogued the issue. he understands conventional wisdom is this these are popular programs not to attack. but the reality is unless you do significant reform they will go bankrupt. but you're throwing grandma off the cliff and basically something you'd find on the liberal blog. >> what is the age demographic in iowa? >> i'm not saying it's not medically stupid but donald trump is taking the same position. i'm not sure that's the right position you want to take. >> you really don't like governor huckabee. >> i think he's a great communicate tore but i think the republican party has really taken a lot of risk here in standing out on these issues.tore, but i think the republican party has really taken a lot of risk here in standing out on these issues. >> we talked about jeb bush. $100 million possibly. and yet you look at his latest number in iowa, he's sitting at 5%. that has to cause concern. >> that's not good for him, but however keep in mind that the last two gop nominees for president of the united states lost iowa. john mccain lost iowa pdand mitt romney lost iowa. >> you don't hold faith in -- >> certainly not the in recent history. but obviously winning iowa is better, but it's not essential. >> phil i want you to listen to this bite. i guarantee you that this will get some pick up today because you have jeffrey sachs who has been seen as one of the pre-imminent liberal economists across the globe he's gone everywhere a tremendous amount of respect from people on the left. i want you to listen to what jeffrey sachs had to say early this morning about the problem for the clintons and their global foundation. >> there is a lot of money sloshing around and it's -- everything is blurred. and it's not good. and there is a lot the here that is real. whether quid pro quos or not, who those. but the amount of schmoozing involved and creditsingossing line, one person putting money in a found days clinton getting unbelievable amounts for speeches and contracts going one way or another, it's not good. >> it's not good can be applied to that clip to the clintons as one of the respectchmuch of the most respected in the field. >> slightly off message from what you were hearing from governor dean on at the same there. look, what he's point to go is for people outside that are looking in on this, the biggest concern . sure, maybe there is no explicit quid pro quo, maybe peter schweizer in his book fails to connect anything in a way that will actually resonate legally going forward. it's the appearance issues. and i think you saw it in the trust numbers dropping. not in a way thatic nomination, but there is an optics problem. >> amy, not just an optics problem, but when you have somebody like jeffrey sachs who has been involved in one international relief effort after another saying that the clintons actually got in the way of getting relief to people who needed it the most, that becomes more than a political problem. >> right. that's pretty damning and something that hillary clinton i'm sure will be asked and she'll have doto answer. while there may not be a smoking gun, where there is smoke, there is fire. a person doesn't get paid half a yil million dollars for 20 minutes of work because he's a greatateat or are a tore oig. >> we'll hear you insulting mike huckabee more i'm sure later, some liberal blog frerger from vox. come on. you practiced that front of the mirror. i'm joking. mike allen, thank you so much. great reporting. and $100 million, an eye popping number. happy friday to you. >> and happy mother's day weekend to all the moms including my mom, barbara, watching you in wilsonville, oregon. >> all right barbara, happy mother's day. and mom, happy mother's day to you, too. tom brady is coming up next. he makes his first appearance since the nfl stunning report on deflategate. we'll take a look at what he did and what he said and what he at any time didn't say when we return. ? 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[ laughter ] but she does work for the bbc. >> but that won't stop you, joe. >> it never has, katty. were you surprised by the overwhelming victory by conservatives? did you ever expect labour to win? >> no i was totally staggered by the size of the conservative victory and the great loser last night were the opinion pollsters. there had not been a single poll during the runup to this that predicted what happened. that was a resounding victory in britain for the conservative party where returns say they've held on to parliament. there's been a late surge in support after polls predicted incredibly close election as i said. and with partial results, it shows the torreys with a solid lead, prime minister david cameron looks beyond the election to governing now while the labour party leader ed miliband offered an early concession. he was dismayed by the swing towards the nationalists in scotland home of gordon brown and the birthplace of tony blair. >> above all, i want to bring our country together, a united kingdom together not least by implementing as fast as we can the devolution that we right by promised and came together with other parties to agree both for wales and scotland. >> the results are still coming in but this has clearly been a very disappointing and difficult night for the labour party. we haven't made the gains we wanted in england and wales and in scotland we've seen a surge of nationalism overwhelm our party. party. >> david cameron victorious this morning. he'll announce his intention to form a new government, that's the protocol in britain but you have to ask yourself, what does the britain he rules over look like in five year's time at the end of his term in office. you have to very real prospect as richard was saying there of the scots -- a lion roared in scotland last night. the scots deciding they want to go for independence and sooner rather than later and you have to prospect of a referendum on britain's place in the european union next year which could take britain out of the e.u. if i'm sitting in the white house this morning looking at that special relationship i'm looking at the prospect of a special relationship with a very diminished partner. katy what is its about british elections that yield as many surprising results the morning after? i know 1980 we were all shocked that ronald reagan won and ronald reagan won as big as he won. that was supposed to be a very close race. this has happened quite a lot in recent political history. 1992 john major wasn't supposed to win. we all woke up the morning after that election shocked that major has won. tony blair, i was at the british embassy looking at the results in 1997 and people were staggered by the size of that victory now we have a staggering victory by conservatives. what is it about the british electorate that yields so many surprising results the morning after? >> i was a similar event last night and people were asking that question why did the pollsters get it so wrong? my only thought on this is that people in britain do tend to vote tactically much more often than they do here in the united states. so i think this was as much a vote to keep isthe smp out of government as it was a vote in favor of the torrey party, the conservative party. it's not that the the british public suddenly woke up and said, wow we really love david cameron and we think he's done fantastic things for the country. they were thinking if we have the scottish nationalist party in westminster, in government, we don't like that so we'll vote torrey to keep them out. >> i didn't hear hear a lot of that last night. >> i think the british people don't always tell the truth to pollsters. there is a tradition as a bit of privacy and basically get away. plus also because of the scottish thing there was sense you can only handle so many variables at once so the uk independence party, the right wing party that was anti-europe did much worse than expected. the liberal democrats, the coalition partner of mr. cameron did much worse than expected so what there was i think, was a consolidation around something that would at least give a little bit more continuity. >> and jeff i'm surprised, you said the conservatives governed pretty well. why do you say that? : because they brought about a good economic recovery. >> how did they do that? >> they did that by a very moderate steady course. when they came in they said we are financially unstable we have to get the deficits down we have to govern with predictability predictability. we have to govern in the middle and year by year they kept a course of reducing the deficits and that started the economy going again. >> people like paul krugman would be harshly critical of austerity in britain. >> well, just a month ago i said to paul in a column why are you complaining so much? they have a strong recovery that pretty much tracks the u.s. and they've done it the way they said they would which is getting the deficit under control and getting growth going. >> are you saying paul krugman knows better than the british people? >> it's not all the negative against this one or this one. it's also if fact that they trust the current government for their economic management because it's a middle-of-the-road predictable sensible economic policy. >> he was the other big loser in last night's election, mr. krugman. this is a big ideological victory for those who said there is a place for austerity, plus mr. miliband got hammered in the last bbc question time their version of the debate over labour's spendthrift ways the last time in government people said "we don't trust you to go back and govern and control the purse strings." i think this was a referendum on the general sense that conservatives were better stewards of the british economy. >> he is dreadful. he is a dreadful public figure and i'm not exactly sure how david who lights up the camera every time he's on the camera certainly every time he comes here. you just wonder what i think that chose the wrong brother. katty kay, you have to wonder what's david thinking this morning? [ laughter ] >> it's the parlor talk of london today, what is david miliband thinking about this election? is he thinks if he had been leader of the labour party then there would have been a very different outcome last night? look this was certainly election. the brits do feel that the economy has recovered somewhat but it's not all rosy for brits. it's not that they suddenly think, wow, the conservative party is the obvious answer to britain's economic problems. i think if there had been a strong leader of the labour party, one who looked like a prime minister then you could have had a different outcome. possibly if you know david miliband, i'm sure that's what he's waking up thinking. the other winner last night, jim messina. jim messina was the advisor to the cameron campaign. got a lot of flak in britain for crossing the aisle. if i'm hillary clinton this morning i'm thinking never bet against jim messina's ability to win elections. >> does david miliband have a second act in british politics or is he done? >> i see no reason why he couldn't go back to britain. at the moment he's in new york running the international crisis group. he could well decide he wants to go back and run again in the labour party. you have to get the party to vote for you. that's how it happens. you get voted in as leader of the labour party. i don't see he's out. >> michael steele? >> i want to pick up on the point about how the austerity package has played out in these elections and i think there's real lessons here for republicans as we go into this next presidential election in terms of what is the conservative message to the american people about governing, managing the economy deficit spending all of that i think are real important lessons we can pick up as we look at this british outcome. >> michael, i would agree with that but i would say that one of the lessons is govern in the center not the right. because this was a goth very much in the center. one of the great things they did from my point of view and the point of view of the uk population is that they expanded foreign assistance, for example. they said that's uk's role in the world, we're going to do good things the public supports that. they are for climate change control. all of those things very moderate down the middle trustworthy, and i think that's a very important part of the story. >> well, i think the key thing there is that what was never lost in this is this was still the conservative party. these were still the torreys. and so given the litany of things you just laid out, there was nothing not conservative about that. it's how they govern how they implemented those policies in a conservative way in a measured way. i think that made a big difference for a lot of brits. >> the one area that wasn't conservative is defense spending. the conservatives dramatically cut defense and it's one of the reasons their role on the world stage has diminished. you no longer have the capacity to act globally while increase aid badly cut defense. and when they voted against getting involved in syria. it showed the british political center aren't as interventionist. and what katty said is right. it means the predictability of britain being a major partner of the united states is simply not there for the foreseeable future. >> go ahead, katty. >> we talk about david cameron being conservative but it's a very different model from what we look at in the republican party here. david cameron during the course of this campaign has proposed shifting the burden of taxes more greatly on to the wealthy. raising taxes on the wealthy. he's also defended the national health service and says he won't be cutting the spending for national health service. so this is not what you would hear republican politicians talking about on the campaign raising taxes on the rich and defending a national health service. it's a different model of conservatism conservatism. >> that's exactly the point. down the middle. >> just as tony blair absorbed thatcherism, you have david cameron who's absorbed blairism if you want to call it that. >> well, they're governing in the middle. i would also say they are important -- a very important role on the international stage, just not the way some people here might not want them to be. not mainly through the military but diplomacy. >> "some people." [ laughter ] >> do you see any slight mirror reflection in what happened in britain yesterday to what happened in the united states in 2012? you have an incumbent writing he's threatened. the polls are narrowing. if there's a recovery going on he's -- the economy has been sort of fixed up. jobs are on the move, people are saying oh, this is going to be close, romney is gong to beat him and boom. >> you know i always say in congressional elections you can beat something with nothing. you can't do that in presidential elections and you can't do it here. and labour offered nothing that justified changing course. absolutely nothing. i will say, just a point on what richard said as far as cutting defense spending i don't like -- i like when the united states talks about trimming back on defense spending. i don't like when britain does because, let's face it britain is getting a free ride off of the u.s. taxpayers and american troops and germany is and japan is. i do think the next person running for president needs to talk about how the united states defense have the pentagon needs to be right sized. we're now spending $550 billion, you have barack obama and republicans fighting about who can spend even more than that, barack obama complaining that $ $550 billion is not enough. while great britain, i'm sorry, they're on a vacation from history. >> the difference is they don't feel they're getting value for money and we're not certainly. we've wasted as we agree trillions of dollars on these stupid wars. and they don't want to be part of that. >> it's not just the stupid wars. the fact -- they're in a position when they are cut defense spending and there's no impact because we're their guarantor. all i'm saying is i'm sick and tired of being europe's guarantor and being japan's guarantor. you have the largest economies in the world that are wisely saying well, you know what? the united states is going to spend their money, the united states is going to send their sons and daughters to die in wars that -- >> i don't think that's the point, actually. i think the point is they don't feel that the foreign policy path that we have pursued is a smart one and it hasn't been. >> i disagree with that. but as a percentage of gdp we are spending -- >> what do you disagree with? >> that they disagree with the fundamentals. in asia they don't disagree they want us to do more. >> everybody wants us to do more now. >> what we're doing now is modest. as a percentage of gdp, if you look at the post-world war ii average, what the united states is now spending is in no way stretching our economy, it's at a lower level than for most of the last 60 70 years. we should be spending what we're spending better and congress in many ways is the problem. we won't close bases that we no longer need, some of the weapons systems we're buying are crazy. but the actual macro levels of defense spending are in no way responsible for our economic problems. >> but at the same time look at transportation, look at education, look at sending a lot of other areas and say we're not spending enough. >> we're not spending it right. in most cases in public policy you know this time in congress it's much less what you spend than how you spend it. still ahead on "morning joe," we're moments away from the april jobs report. plus an attempt to be funny turns into a big fail. why the cleveland cavaliers are now apologizing to victims of domestic abuse. but first here's bill karins he has a check on the forecast. what's the weekend look like. >> we have good in the east and very bad in the middle of the country, joe. let me show you this video. this is from two nights ago, a gentleman in his bunker. this is only an ef-1 tornado. the scale goes from 0 to 5 with five being the worst. this is what it's like to be in an ef-1. picture what it would be like to add 100 miles per hour to those winds and that's what the big huge ones that hit like moore and joplin looked like. this obviously, that house and roof survived but that's bad enough. this is what we'll deal with over the next couple days. severe weather setup. the upper air in the california area now will kick into the middle of the country, just classic setup. we have the dry air colliding with the moist, warm air and we'll get storms firing up early today. we'll track tornados this afternoon into the early evening, kids are still in school parents may leave work early so it will be a delicate situation in oklahoma today but moderate risk of severe storms. we'll probably have tornado watches by 2:00 or 3:00 this afternoon and maybe one or two strong storms. the big day will be saturday. this looks like we have a much larger area and we have a much larger moderate risk area for those severe storms. most concerned with long track strong tornados here developing west of oklahoma city mostly heading north-northeastward. we'll have to watch the i-35 corridor where the big population centers are and as far as mother's day goes it doesn't look as bad but we're still going to see a lot of severe weather and rain from texas all the way to iowa. a lot to track over the next couple days. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. the baltimore "sun," the justice department will be opening a full-scale civil rights investigation into the baltimore police department. the "sun" reports a person familiar with the probe told the paper an announcement could come as early as today. now, this news comes a day after the mayor, stephanie rawlings-blake, asked for the inquiry and less than a week after criminal charges were filed against six officers that were all involved allegedly in the death of freddie gray. katty? >> from nbcnews.com a u.s. drone strike reportedly kills the man who claimed responsibility for the "charlie hebdo" attack in maris, you remember. s in aer -- nasser bin ali was a leader of al qaeda in the arabian peninsula. the group announced his death in an online video. a u.s. official confirms al-ansi is dead but wouldn't say if it was because of the drone strike. and the "chicago tribune," as the cleveland cavaliers prepare to take on the bulls tonight in the nba playoffs, the cavs are looking to rebound from a public relations foul. during game three on wednesday, the team ran a video on its scoreboard intending to spoof a tv commercial where a couple falls while attempting the famous lift from the movie "dirty dancing" in the cavs promotion a male fan lifts his female partner who's a bulls fan then violently throws her over a sofa. take a look. ♪ because -- i've had the ♪ -- bulls fan? i didn't know you were a bulls fan. i can't believe she's a bulls fan. >> when it's playoff basketball time, you have to be all in. don't make the same mistake she made. >> i thought you were all in. >> well, i'm all in now. let's just watch the game. >> wow. >> so unfunny on so many levels. >> wow. >> what genius thought that one up? >> oh my gosh. >> it's good they weren't paying attention to any of the last year, two years, 15 years, 20 years of anything related to this subject matter to not recognize that that might be problematic. >> why didn't they just ask raye louis or jay mismeis winston to star in the commercial? the cavaliers said "while the video was not intended to be offensive it was a mistake to include content that made light of domestic violence." that made light of domestic violence. "we sinner is vie apologize to those who have been affected for thing of negative feelings caused by being exposed to this insensitive video. wow, katty? >> completely staggering. better news for women now, the "new york times," the number of highly educated women who remain childless into their mid-40s has dropped significantly over the last two decades. women in their 40s with an m.d. or ph.d. saw the steepest declines. in 1994 35% were childless, today that's 20%. 22% of women with a master's degree or higher are childless down from 30% back in '94. the report's authors say changing attitudes may be feeding this trend as it becomes more acceptable for working women to become moms. i hope it's also companies allowing working women to work and have kids at the same time. >> that's great. we need smart babies. i mean just to counteract me and my impact. smarter the better. the associated press, police have broken up a cocaine trafficking ring allegedly run out of a pizzeria in queens. i thought that pizza made me kind of -- >> excellent topping. excellent topping. >> always a buzz. i would go out there -- >> it was the mushrooms. >> i was like "i don't need a cab, i can rub home!" three owners were allegedly arrested -- sorry i woke up the kids with that one, mom. they were running the command center for the international operation out of the pizzeria. investigators say they found a cache inside the safe of the restaurant which contained several weapons, ammunition and $100,000. the probe is continuing. investigators say it's up clear now how much money was actually generated through the criminal ring inside the pizzeria. you never know what's in that kitchen. >> a great to-go operation. 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>> pretty good. 223,000 jobs created. the expectation was 228,000. close enough for government work. 5.4% for the unemployment rate that was right on the nose. this is much better than last month. >> we had a rough month last month. >> last month was tough, only 126,000 jobs created last month. that was puny much smaller than expectations so this is much closer to consensus and the rate that we had been seeing generally speaking over the last several months. >> what's the guess on why things have improved this past month? >> for several years now we've seen a hiccup in the first quarter or the year for whatever reason weather, et cetera et cetera, people were waiting to see if we would return to trend. the big question we'll start asking is when does the fed start raising rates? last month's number had people saying wow, maybe they don't raise until 2016. maybe this brings themback. >> kathleen this is the lowest unemployment number since -- well, in seven years, 5.4%. what are the political ramifications? >> it's great. the republicans have a hard time finding ways to criticize the president when in fact these trends continue. i guess the question i would have is when you take a number out of context and say that's good, better than last month. but what does it mean in the great scheme of things? at what point in our country have we had more job creation than that and what did it look like compared to today? as opposed to seven years ago. >> oh under ronald reagan under ronald reagan we would have, you know, are petedly 300,000 jobs created. >> so the question is why is that the case then and not the case now? what is holding us back from that kind of rate? >> well, i guess the question that has been asked for a long time is why did it take so long post the crisis to get to this point? in the past we've seen v-shaped recoveries, straight down and then a big sharp recovery. this time it's been what we call a hockey stick which is pretty flat along the bottom and finally maybe a slight "u" shape. >> the question is mike barnicle whether this is the new normal or not. of course what happened in the 1990s was pushed in part by a tech bubble. what happened during the bush era, the great years in '04-'07 pushed by a housing bubble. we've run out of bubbles and this may be the new normal. >> it may be. you just raised about five or six questions. my question and i want to ask michael steele to pick up in this because you lead a fairly normal life when you leave washington, d.c., why with these numbers which show improvement, why are so many people still uneasy? have a feeling of complete unease about the economy and their immediate employment futures. >> i think a lot of it has to do with the lack of growth in paychecks. i mean, the size of my paycheck is relatively the same as it was at the beginning of the recession. as we know the stagnation related to income hawes been a factor. i think there's also -- there's still a high level of underemployment. there's still people working part-time jobs who once had full-time jobs. so transitioning them back into the economy, particularly if it's a family member has been up close and personal and very difficult and i think leads itself to some uneasiness. >> labor participation rate, to his point, is still incredibly low. you can go back to the '70s, there's not as many people participating in this economy at this point. maybe as unemployment improves. >> what are they doing? >> staying home. >> it's also devastating to the younger generation. i've got i know so many young people in their 20s who finished graduate school who have law degrees especially and they're not able to find work at all. i'm talking about even low-paying jobs. they're not there. so you have this whole new class, this generation of people who are very uneasy living at home with their parents, getting financial aid. >> i think that begs the question that joe laid out, the five or six questions as mike barnicle pointed out that joe hit on. what is being created? what are the jobs that are being created and do we have in the marketplace the talent to fit those jobs? >> jamie, let's look at this macro. look at the numbers from 30,000 feet. you as a conservative and me as a conservative are going to have to deal with the fact that when barack obama leaves office historians are going to look at the unemployment rate after the crash and look at it now and look at the quotes about how barack obama was destroying the economy, wrecking the economy and they're going to go 5 .2%, 5.3%, that's good. >> i think the question is what you asked. is this the new normal. if historians determine this is and he had the best recovery he could do in the times that we have, in the job market we have then they will say he was a success but i think this will be the nature of the campaign. you have people on the stump like marco rubio saying this is not the new normal it's the president's policies why we didn't have better recovery. whether that's true or not, that will be the nature of this debate in 2016. >> but let's say marco is debating hillary in the general election or jeb is debating hill are i in the general election they start talking about the devastating obama policies and hillary can say -- whoever the democrat is, well but let's look at the fact that the deficit has been cut in half since barack obama was president of the united states. or even more than half. the unemployment rate has dropped now to 5.4%. that is hard for a republican to argue against. >> the debt has also gone up significantly, $6 trillion or so. and the question is again, was the recovery robust enough? are people underemployed and counting as employed? they'll argue the regulations of the obama administration are keeping america from exploding on the economy growing. >> they should say 2% to 3% is crappy and we could be growing at 5% to 6% if not for that. that would have led to far more job creation than what we had. >> that is a -- michael, that's a tough argument to make. >> that's a tough argument to make. >> on the campaign trail, unemployment rate was high now it's low, deficit was high now it's low. i'm taking that message to the bank any time. >> everyday. and the question then becomes if you're saying we could be growing 359%, 4% 5% what would you have done differently that would have stimulated that kind of growth that hasn't been done yet. >> it reminds me of when al gore ran for president and he ran against bill clinton's record. he said things are not great, now i'm going to make them great and everybody's thinking what was wrong? sorry, missed that. >> i think this is the indictment of the argument i bet hillary clinton will run more on her husband's economic record than barack obama's record. >> we shall see. michelle, thank you so much. greatly appreciated. jamie, thank you as well. michael, thanks to you as well. kathleen, stay with us if you will, still ahead, a new report ranks the united states as the worst developed country for maternal health. i saw the numbers a couple days ago, was shocked. christie turlington burns tells us how you can help change that. she's next on "morning joe." and i didn't get here alone. there were people who listened along the way. people who gave me options. kept me on track. and through it all my retirement never got left behind. so today, i'm prepared for anything we may want tomorrow to be. every someday needs a plan. let's talk about your old 401(k) today. my advice for healthy looking radiant skin. a good night's sleep... and aveeno®. 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(laughs happily) more tennis balls. sentry® fiproguard® plus - available at these retailers. . every mother counts was born out of a need to reduce maternal deaths. nearly 300,000 mothers continue to die bringing life into the world. up to 98% of these deaths are preventible. >> that was part of a short film from "every mother counts." it's a group aimed at creating awareness for maternal health. with us now, the organization's founder, model and social entrepreneur christy turlington burns who's here to tell us about the group's mother's day campaign. this is so timely and the numbers are stunning how badly the united states does in this area. >> it's true. so our campaign is all about what is possible because this is one of those issues that though hundreds of thousands of girls and women are at risk when they bring life into the world, 98% of the deaths are preventable. even in this country where we lose two women per day. >> what's the problem? what's the gap we need to fill? >> well access. access to critical health services. here in the usa lot of women still are not -- do not have access to prenatal care. there's more of a focus on delivery itself and not the postpartum period. even with insurance we don't have enough time under supervision in the hospital or in other places of delivery. >> why is there such -- i might just be speaking about myself here -- a stunning unawareness of these numbers here in this country? i'm stunned. >> i would have thought we were number one in the world as far as that goes because i feel like, well, people like you and i are inundated with information and we know how to use it and get the best care available but i suppose it's partly an educational deficit. >> absolutely. in fact, the u.s. is one of only seven countries with an increase in maternal mortality, which is shocking. but i think that's it. i think a lot of us assume from all the images that we see in television and popular culture that this is a joyful experience that just happens, that it's the most natural thing. which it is. yet 15% of all pregnancy cans result in a complication so we need to make sure we are in the proper care, that we are aware of what might happen what could happen and then we'll be better able to deal with those outcomes. >> i think perceptions but is it's not a big deal to have a baby. we've been doing it for a very long time and it seems to work out okay. but what they don't realize is that there are so many things that can go wrong. >> and the fact is again, that things are getting worse. the numbers are getting worse in the united states. any idea why that is? >> well there's more chronic disease than we've seen. diabetes and obesity are definitely playing a part. more c-sections. we have a high c-section rate in this country which is contributing to poorer outcomes as well. >> one of the things about c-sections that is so disturbing -- sorry, i'll let you. [ inaudible question ] a second. >> he's been through three pregnancies. >> doctors want c-sections and many working women do, too, because they can put it on the calendar. >> as somebody whose wife is seven months pregnant with their first child, this is a slightly terrifying conversation. but where is kind of the gap, at least from the medical community and also from the public officials side? is there a recognition there? are there big gaps in terms of grasping these numbers and what to do to try and change them? >> one of the problems in the u.s. is that state by state it's managed and handled completely differently. so here in new york for example, there's a big initiative to have dula care. and dulas are patient advocates and can help along the process of pregnancy. and they're recognized now as a useful person to be participant and helper in this process for the mom but also the provider. i think one of the things that could really change things in the u.s. is to have more consistent reporting so that when we do lose a mom that we are looking more at like why? what are the factors? how can we educate the whole population versus just like one city at a time. that's a big problem. and it needs some work and attention. >> well, thank you so much for being with us christy. hashtag "what is possible" launches for the campaign and you are inviting everybody to watch the short film. >> please do and share it. >> and share it. i have to ask you one other question not quite as important but this question. i see you're wearing an apple watch. do i want one of those or not? >> yes. >> are they great or not? >> i've been wearing it for a while and i just ran my fastest marathon in london about two weeks ago with this watch. >> so for those of us who -- >> it's not about training, all about the watch. >> well, a little bit of both. >> but what -- you do like it? >> i love it. it's a lot of fun and my 11-year-old is my it at home so wherever i have a problem she's my go-to. >> you have an 11-year-old girl i have an 11-year-old girl. i have a feeling if i bring one of those in the house it will be on her wrist. all right, thank you so much. greatly appreciate you being here. >> thank you. >> and you can help out, make a donation to "every mother counts" or check out their mother's day gift guide go to everymothercounts.org. up next, it could help parents across the world. we'll take you inside the mind of a teenager. you'll need to know this christy, it's a scary place to go. i've been there twice, barnicle's been there like 37 times. keep it right here on "morning joe." ameriprise asked people a simple question: can you keep your lifestyle in retirement? 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>> yes, that is one of the reasons why i wrote the book out of my own experience what were they thinking? and given the fact that i could -- i was in the field i decided to start looking into the literature and sort of pulling it out of the ivory towers of research and journals and putting it into talks, initially. so this big story is that the brain's the last organ in the body to mature. it takes until your mid to late 20s. men are a couple of years -- >> 30s. >> couple decades, yeah. >> and, of course there's individual variation and so the point is that your brain is connecting itself from the back to the front and the last part of your brain to connect is the front of your brain and guess what the frontal lobes do? the frontal lobes are the seat of executive function insight, impulse control. >> the judgment. >> judgment, empathy. >> see that mike impulse control. you wonder why the girl teenage girl, will be sitting at the edge of a dock talking and the boy will run and jump and do like all these crazy things and horrify you as a parent. >> that's why we have hundreds of thousands of young boys probably misdiagnosed with a.d.d. when they're just young boys. but i want to ask you about the attention span of teenagers. raising a teenager in the late '80s or '90s is so drastically different today given all the social media, the iphone and everything like that. what happens with the attention span? >> we talk a little bit about that in the book. so the other side of the story with the brain -- so connectivity is one thing. the other side is that there are individual brain regions, the gray matter, is really very very active compared to adults and they're still able to learn -- we called synaptic plasticity. and when you learn, you build sin nap synapses so they're better at learning than adults. that's a double-edged sword, they can learn good things but they also can learn bad things. >> why do they keep doing them again and again and again? [ laughter ] mika is in the middle of it. >> it's a combination of novelty seeking as part of their natural risk-taking behavior. >> it just seems stupid. >> it seems that way to an adult. so one of the reasons why i wrote the book was to sort of help adults handle this. it's not a free pass for the teenagers but it's like this is why it's happening. there's real biology here and there's good things to know too. it's not all about doom and gloom. the fact is their brains are more plastic. they can learn more. do you know your iq can change during your teen years? a third of people go up, a third go down a third stay the same. so it's really a time when they can harness this. >> but on the behavioral aspect of this. how do you work with that brain? what you're telling me is that that's the way they are. >> well i think they do require a lot of repetition patience, i think you have to count to ten, i put that in the book. that was -- i learned that. >> mike you're a seven-time survivor. >> good god. >> did you see this seven times? all kids are different. >> they're all different and the growth of teenagers, both backwards and forwards, is amazing within the span of ten years. they can be lovable and articulate at nine or ten and just at 15 is he home? i'm not coming home if he's home. >> but, mike you pointed out that how it's changed and you did, too, over the years. and one of the things we talk about in the book and think about is that this generation of teenagers, first of all, this is the first time we've known this much about teenagers from all of this compilation of research coming out of basic and clinical sciences, but the environment is different now. think of the stimulation. they're risk takers by nature and we have this environment now with all access easy access to anything stressful, not stressful, good bad. we have to think about a conversation about how do they handle this. >> and you can explain why mike barnicle's frontal lobe never developed. seriously. what happened? you said it happened later for guys. >> by the way, my iq keeps dropping. it's amazing. >> whole different story. the book is "the teenage brain." dr. jensen thank you very much. see you soon. we're back in just a moment. it's powered by oxiclean and it's chlorine bleach-free so it's safe to use around grass and plants. get scotts new outdoor cleaner plus oxiclean. clean your outdoor space. clean it. 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