They said, donnie, please read. I would love to do it. I want to wish everybody a happy postthanksgiving. Donnie, weve been here all along. I needed to do it. Sometimes i hear the music and i need to just start dancing. Its that simple. He gave the guy five bucks and said to kill your miekes. I apologizapologize. Ill step back. According to his lawyer, well talk about it a little bit later. You guys are up in arms about some of the things that happened on the football field which well get to in just a second. I am. The whole thing in the media, you dont hear me usually blaming the media for stuff, but its been extraordinarily irresponsible over the past several months and what the media has let pass as narrative, we saw play out yesterday on an nfl football field. Im puzzled about it. I missed something. The guys coming out like this. Guys came out hands up dont shoot for the st. Louis rams. Heres a video of it. And what is so remarkable is they might as welcome out with a flying saucer attached to all of their heads. That happened as much as that happened. Thats according to grand jury testimony. Thats according to witnesses. They are using his accomplice in the robbery that was with him at the time who also claimed that Michael Brown was shot in the back. And for some reason, the media attaches to these narratives that will stir up further protests. I got to say, i got to a Tipping Point this weekend. Theres another story in cleveland where a young boy tragically was shot dead. Police officers got a 911 call he was waving a gun scaring the blank out of everybody in this public park. Police officers came up. Stopped. Shot the young boy. He was 12 years old. They had taken off the markings to make it look like a toy gun. It was an actual gun. Do you know what the New York Times put in the caption of the video. Police officers shoot child with toy. I dont know exactly who puts those, attaches those, we are doing such a grave disservice to Police Officers in this country by pushing a narrative. They are going around looking to shoot and kill black people. Somebody has to tell me, somethi somebody needs to tell me why Michael Brown has been chosen as the face of black oppression. I see actually a reverse of what happened in trayvon. Right wingers cling to this nasty thuggish guy that chased a young black man through a neighborhood simply because he was black. He was guilty. Trayvon was guilty of walking while being black. And my right wing nut job friends all embraced George Zimmerman. If you dont think hes a thug, ask the women who lived with him. Hes a thug. And right wingers embraced George Zimmerman as a hero and in so doing, they humiliated themselves. There are so many great people to embrace as heroes in the black community that deciding youre going to embrace a guy that knocked over a Convenience Store and then according to grand jury testimony acted in ways that would get my children shot on Staten Island or in queens or in brooklyn, thats your hero . Thats the reason you want to burn down black businesses that Small Business owners in ferguson have worked their entire lives for . Thats why you want to block africanamerican commuters with five children going to work in the bay area and get them fired . Really . This is your mission in life . Donnie, im sorry. This was the final straw for me. I have sat here quietly and listened to bs being spewed all over this network and all over other networks. I cant take it anymore. I will say what i said last week. And i say this not to black children across america. I have said repeatedly on this show time and time again to people like gene robinson, there are two Justice Systems in america. A young black man is treated much worse than a young white man on the street, in the courtroom, in jail. There are two americas when it comes to criminal justice. I have said that repeatedly. But, donnie, in this case, if my child or your child knocked over a Convenience Store and then went down the middle of the street shouting profanities at a Police Officer, lets just say in queens and then went into the car and started punching the Police Officer and grabbing for his gun, he would probably be shot in the car. Yeah, joe. I saw you this morning downstairs. I said am i missing something here . I kind of got you going. Look, i am left of center. Youre right of center. I could not agree with every word you said more passionately. Its not a black white situation. Its a thug Police Officer situation. I sit here and im going to sound like a grumpy old white guy, but am i missing something here . Am i absolutely missing something here . A criminal who goes into a cop car and goes after a cop and somehow his hands were up. This is not doing the black community any favors. You know what makes me angry, i have people around this set all the time let me say what i say on set and sit and stare at me. They are afraid to say anything on the air. Even though they know its bs. Youre the first to actually say what everybody says off set. I said last week, i said this last week, this would happen to a white guy. I had two white guys on set say to me i remember the time i was blank. I just got out of the car and the Police Officer pointed and screamed get the blank back in the car. And one of them said he didnt. Get in the car or ill shoot you. That happens all the time. Cops are tough all the time. Are there more blacks that get shot than whites . Yes. Im sure there are. Im sure weve got all statistics and we can find statistics. In this event theres a separation, wes moore. Theres a separation between how i felt with Trayvon Martin, who was basically chased through a neighborhood and shot because he was a black young man by a punk that didnt want black guys in his neighborhood, and this case with trayvon and perhaps im totally wrong. Wes, i dont want to discuss the criminal Justice System. I dont i agree. Its uneven. Its unfair. Just in this case, you heard what donnie and i have said. Tell us where were wrong and how we have it wrong. Theres definitely a difference between the case of Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown. Its not the Michael Brown has taken on the face of black oppression. It is about the facts of the case are the facts of the case. Theres a couple challenges. By not even going to trial that people, theres speculation about what the facts of the case are. Thats one thing people are still very concerned about. The second thing that people are very concerned about is this idea of rules of engagement. Youre right. If everything lays out that Michael Brown was doing what he did prior to being shot to death, then thats inexcusable. At the same time, people also have to understand that Michael Brown was still an unarmed teen. And any time you have a situation like that, there are certain rules of engagement that have to be applied and have to be followed. So this dynamic of Police Department training and Police Department execution of that training is something that comes into this equation as much as a black white equation. Wes, lets start training from now. What would training be . White or black kid reaching into a car, punching a Police Officer, going for his gun. Lets start blank piece of paper. Well train every Police Officer in the country differently now. What would play out differently . If we look at the facts that we know it initially, Michael Brown was actually shot during the initial altercation of what happened. Then as he proceeded to flee i have spoken with Law Enforcement about it. As Michael Brown continued to flee, thats where a lot of speculation and training then comes in about was there actually a shot to the back while Michael Brown was running away, was he shot to the front, what was the distance . Thats another lie put out there that he was shot in the back. There was no forensic evidence that he was shot in the back. That was yet another lie that was propagated by his accomplice in the robbery who also claimed that he held his hands up and said dont shoot. Thats the second lie. Right. But again as i was saying, what is the distance between the second shot and fatal shot. As i said on the show, i think there actually is room for not just common understanding in all this because truthfully the job of Law Enforcement is extraordinarily difficult. I think for the reason that we have the rules of engagement that we have and reason we have to work on a better sense of trust in the community is in my opinion as much to protect and support the Law Enforcement as it is the individual community that they are then required to serve. I think that simply saying that looking at the protests and hands up, dont shoot, is all about a full throated protection and compliance of Michael Brown or his actions before and after him being fatally shot is not the full story. Mika, what do you think about the rams . What do you think about everything you heard on the set. People saying one thing when camera is on and Something Different when camera is out because theyre afraid theyll be called racist if they tell the truth. When you talk about hero, i completely understand what youre saying there. I think a lot of people see the situation as a symbol of the problems between the police and the community that are glaring, and i think theyre important and thats the shooting of Michael Brown is a touchstone to open the worlds eyes to the deep rifts there are across the country between the police and the community and the inbalance. I think theres a lot of value in the frustration over the situation, and not everybody is looking at it in the extreme way that you described and i think we do need to take it seriously. What do you mean not everyone is looking at it in the extreme way . Not everyone looks at him as a hero. I think a lot of people would have liked to have seen an indictment so they could really see all of the facts played out. Giuliani, who i agree with on nothing, said as a former u. S. Prosecutor, it never would have gone to the grand jury based on the evidence. They bent over backwards by even going to a grand jury. Find a jurisdiction in america where a guy knocks over lets say a white guy knocks over a Convenience Store. Then he goes out and then he rushes in and he starts punching a cop. He runs away. He comes charging back. Find a grand jury in america that would convict that cop, a black cop of shooting a white dude. You wont find it in america. Check the laws. Check the statutes. It would not happen anywhere in the whitest suburb in america. That black cop that shoots a white guy for doing the identical thing would not be indicted. I dont disagree with your main point. Lets remember facts after the incident. The body laid in the street for hours. The Racial Disparity between the community. All of that. Weve brought that up. Thats despicable. I agree with all of this. What im saying is youre saying that the Police Officer and the young man who died, that thats the whole story about why people are making a big deal about the case. Its not. The death is the thing that set this in motion. The way it was handled puts in sharp relief a lot of problems and not just in that community but around the country and thats what caused a lot of the emotion. Had the body not laid in the street. Had they handled it better, this wouldnt be. If the Police Officer wforce africanamerican . Its disgusting that theres a terrible racial inequity not only in the criminal Justice System but in ferguson specifically. Also in ferguson specifically. Its absolutely terrible that that black man lay in the street for 4 1 2 hours. Thats one area where you can say no white man would lay in the street for 4 1 2 hours. There are places where there are great inequities. That said, at least get your signs right. If this movement is important enough to you, dont base your movement on a lie. And i expect the commissioner of the National Football league to suggest to the st. Louis rams, their ownership, their coaches, their general manager, and their players that having players before the start of a National Football league game make a gesture that suggests that st. Louis Police Officers gunned down young black men who have arms in their air saying hands up dont shoot, i suggest you have some work to do. You have some work to do. Not just on ray rice. You have some work to do to talk to those players. The cops have every reason to be pissed off this morning. Every reason in the world. If i offended anybody by saying what ive said, trust me. 95 of america think just like me. Just because there are cowards that wont say that on tv, thats your problem. Its not mine. Wes, i want to ask you a question. As an africanamerican man, as a war hero, as a journalist, as youre watching africanamericans loot the stores as a result of this and the macro issues we agree on disparities, do you as a black guy say this pisses me off. Do you react the way a white guy reacts . You loot stores owned by local africanamerican businessmen. We look like idiots. What goes through your mind . I know what goes through my mind. The thing that goes through my mind is, first, the truth is youre right. Going through and looting and burning particularly communities that you live in and stores that you rely on, you know, you do always sit there and say how is this helping . How is this going to help your situation . At the same time it helps you to understand the level of rage that people feel. And truthfully when we see hands up, dont shoot, thats not just about Michael Brown. When we hear people screaming i cant breathe, thats not just about eric gardner. Its about people want to feel this actually goes back to this whole case. In some ways people say if theres no indictment, theres going to be looting and rioting. In some cases, the opposite then becomes even if there was an indictment, does that now mean that everything is okay . There are fundamental challenges that have existed for years and some of it justified with the rift between Law Enforcement and the community theyre supposed to serve. Law enforcement lets be honest. There are many departments that have done completely admirable jobs in terms of helping to pull together that rift that have leadership that truly understand whats going on and are trying to address it. When you look at a situation like ferguson and you look at the voting patterns in the last election where 6 of the people came out and voted. We understand there are longterm risks that exist between general disillusionment and the communities theyre part of that have everything to do with what happened with that community on that specific day. Really fascinating, brave and dicey conversation. Much more ahead. A lot of news to cover. 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The owners either see that and dont care because goodell has made them so much money or they continue to wear blinders and of course ray rice reinstated and a couple teams are looking at him. The conclusion is theres a point to this you cant be punished twice. Thats what happened. They didnt do it right the first time. Im sure that roger got that advice from the nfl at the time. Weve already given him a suspension. You cant suspend him again. Lawyers would say you cant do this. If i am a pr person, i say do it. Go ahead and suspend him. Let him overturn it later on. You have got to show that a new era has started in the nfl and this is unacceptable. So even if the legal niceties arent lined up, i think Roger Goodell did the right thing. He sent a strong message. And now rice comes back and plays. Goodell says ive done all i can do and i put everybody else in the league on notice that if it happens to them in the future, im going to pound them. Thats great and good for goodell. The facts remain according to rices wife speaking to matt lauer today, he told goodell what happened and that he punched her. They need to shine a light on the commissioner and find out whats what there. Just because he can come back doesnt mean teams should hire him back. Any team will have a pr disasters if they do it. I dont think a mans livelihood should be taken away forever. If im owning the team, i just dont want him. Do you want the ravens to take him back . Ravens left the door open. They sent those Text Messages back and forth. They were sorry to see him go and they wanted to leave on good terms. As a fan, would you want him playing again . You know, if his wife can forgive him, and if he can try to lead by example, if they can lead by example as a couple and do things. I know they havent wanted to be role models. If they can lead by example, then maybe they can help a lot of other people. I think right now the light that rice is shining is on goodell. Its a cya move. Its a pr nightmare. Hell have to take care of this legally. I think for Roger Goodell to come out of this with janay rice sitting down and exposing ray told the whole truth, it will be bad for him. Its compelling. If his wife can forgive him, everybody else should too. I think not everybody who has a situation like the one they have is a complete all out criminal. I think its a sign they need a lot of help and counseling. At this point since they are such public figures they ought to do all of that in the open if they want to come close to putting it behind them and also heal. They cant have it both ways unfortunately. So i think they have tried to have that. Ill tell you one pr thing they can do, if i was giving ray rice advice, look, come back for a year. Your entire salary is donated to Domestic Violence issues so you bring more attention to it. Michael vick came back he served 2 1 2 years jail time. Im not saying he goes to jail for this. There was a punishment that he served his time so to speak. How do we get it to the point that ray rice has served his time. Takes more personal responsibility than they do in this interview with matt. They have to take a lot more responsibility than they do in the interview with matt. They blame the commissioner and the commissioner deserves some blame. The commissioner didnt knock a woman out in an elevator in a casino. Correct. Heres what ann writes in the Washington Post. Another reason to avoid reading comments. I cant read the comments. Theyre so mean. I never have. Ive stopped reading mail. Once upon it time it seemed as if the internet would be a place of civilized and open debate and now unedited forums are insult exchanges. Like it or not this matters. The perceptions of an article, its writer and subject can be shaped by unanimous online commentary especially if its harsh. Sooner or later we may be forced to end internet anonymity. Know there are arguments in favor of anonymity but too many people abuse the privilege. Human rights including the right of freedom of expression should belong to real human beings and not unanimous trolls. Fantasy land. I think every News Organization needs to attach you need to be able to see where the person is from and take it back and the Supreme Court, well be talking about this with pete williams, is actually looking at how threats are handled on the internet. Im telling you, this is a matter of National Interest because the best and the brightest in this generation and the next will not run for public office. Will not seek the positions that we need run by competent smart men and women if the internet is not cleaned up. It needs to be cleaned up. There is no violation of a First Amendment right by stripping away the anonymity that allows people to spew hatred and threats against others. I know you know firsthand can you go on tv and make comments with your face blacked out with no maim on it . It happens on whats my line. Mike allen here with the morning playbook. Mike, what you got going today . Good morning, mika. First things first. For joe roll tide, number one in ap seventh year in a row. Thank you for the updates. Mike gives me great email updates through the weekend. I greatly appreciate it. What a game. Politico has a piece up entitled the obama republicans. Who are they. What are they . So, mika, this is the first time i have had something hopeful to tell you from washington in i dont know how long. One of the big problems with getting anything done on capitol hill is that theres no swing republicans. They are all from deep red districts and Current Congress theres only 17 House Republicans who are from a district that president obama won. That means theres 217 who are from pure red districts. In the new congress coming in january, theres nine more. 26 republicans come from districts that president obama won. This means that they are going to need to distinguish themselves from the conservative republican majority. It will give Speaker Boehner a little more leverage with his hardest right to say, hey, i need to protect these men and women. I need to make some deals. I need to have a different face for this conference. Already these are the districts that democrats have targeted. Theres a great scene in this politico story where a week after election day they had these winners at the Capitol Hill Club and there were 20 of them. Surprise guys. You are the top democratic targets you already need to be running again. Can you ask mike, is that the good morning sacramento set . Where is that . Its pretty. Nebraska avenue. World headquarters of the nbc washington bureau. Fantastic. Michael allen, thank you. Its beautiful. Have a great december. 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Baseball has a season. This is our season. How was your thanksgiving . It was good. My parents came. The miracle of thanksgiving for us was that my two daughters got along. They were nice to each other . Carlie is perfect. Shes very creative. Shes an artist. Do you think van goh sat in his baby chair. They miss each other now. They dumped me and went out for coffee together and did stuff together. It was nice. Adorable. Coffee and cigarettes. How about you . My kids were fine. I had a thousand people at my house. 21 people for thanksgiving dinner. That was a bunch. We have talked about this. It looked like the welding wall. What are you talking about . I didnt say that about my town. Its only aimed at you. We just dont like you. Go. Go. Im coming friday night by the way. That was last friday night. It was this past friday . Every friday. Ill be there this friday. Cops arent going to let you off the exit. Can we talk about trust in government, please . Yes. Go ahead. If it has big in front of it, it seems that people dont trust it. From big business to big banks to big government. Trust in institutions is at an alltime low. Here with us now from washington, staff correspondent for the national journal. Sophie and her colleague cowrote an article that could have well been written this morning. How americans lost trust in our greatest institutions. Two years later a recent Gallup Survey shows that disillusionment exists with less than 30 of americans holding high confidence in institutions like the presidency, Public Schools and banks. What is driving this . Thats a great question, joe. First of all, hi, everyone. Its great to be here today. I think the question of whats driving this decline in trust is an interesting one and its not quite clear what the answer is. Theres definitely a sense that trust has gone down since the late 70s. Thats been played out in annual Gallup Surveys. I think that you can make the argument that scandals have been to blame for this. Its very hard to rebuild trust after a scandal. I also think the fact that the media is bringing more scandals to light might have a role to play in this as well. Let me ask you this question. How do you if you are running a government, youve got an irs scandal. Youve got a va scandal. Youve got an nsa scandal. Its just over not like watergate size. Its almost like death by a thousand cuts. Thats a real problem. Not only for democrats but for anybody that wants to run for government. Its the reason everyone has to run as an outsider even if youre an insider. The pillars we talked a lot on this show have cracks in them. Its very hard to run as a lifelong politician when basically every Political Institution is flooded at this point. As we all know, an outsider never works in washington. Theres a little bit of a conundrum there. Sophie, i wonder, is it just scandal in the media or is it actuality . Yeah, i mean i think there are good reasons out there to distrust certain institutions shall we say. I also want to bring up another point which is particularly when it comes to government, trust can be a partisan issue. If you look at trust in the executive branch right now, i think the most recent numbers from gallup show that about 43 of americans have some or a lot of confidence in the executive branch. When you break that out, democrats, about 80 of democrats are expressing confidence because theres a democrat in the white house and about 30 of republicans are not. When you look back to this point in president bushs tenure, those numbers were flipped with 80 of republicans expressing confidence and about 20 of democrats expressing no confidence. All right. Sophie quinton, thank you so much. Thank you so much. Greatly appreciate it. Sorry you have to work with ron. Youll get past it. Ron is great. Do we have wes here still . Yes. Okay. I had three people talk at the same time. They all sort of you know, you look at these numbers, wes, theyre discouraging. You look at the fact that the United States military spit upon in the late 60s and early 70s coming back from vietnam has now managed to become the one Public Institution that Americans Still trust, respect, love. Its pretty remarkable and encouraging. Why do you think that is . I put it to two different reasons. 74 of americans have high confidence in the military. 7 in congress. Go ahead. One, actually, i give a lot of credit to vets of wars past. I always say i think part of the reason that iraq and afghanistan vets in particular have received the support from our country that we received have been because of the vietnam era vets and because of the korean war and world war ii vets who have made it. They have been diligent to make sure that iraq and afghanistan vets do not receive that same treatment. A lot of that credit goes back to older vets. The other thing is that when you think about veterans and when you think about the role that veterans have overseas and leaving their families and going overseas and fighting wars, you know, people look at it and say these are things that we necessarily would not do. These are things that are challenging and theyre hard. We have a great deal of respect for those who put themselves in harms way on our behalf. Police, firefighters, the military, et cetera. I think you bring up a very good point, joe, earlier in the fact that there are a lot of people looking at elected office and part of the frustration and part of what we need to be concerned about longterm is people look at and say i wouldnt do that not because its hard and because its something challenging but because i just dont want to do it. I dont want to put my family through it. That becomes something we really have to wrestle with for a longterm basis in this country. Coming up, Johnny Football era is under way in cleveland. 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The 45yard touchdown pass is rodgers second of the night helping green bay to a lead at the half. Patriots making a comeback down five points on a big third down play at the end of the fourth. Green bay defense gets to tom brady for the sack. Packers hold off new england for the 2621 win. We go to atlanta. Down south for another battle between first place teams as the falcons host the cardinals. Big game for atlanta receiver julio jones who caught ten passes for 189 yards and a touchdown. First place team. 47. Falcons remain atop the afc south. Drew brees edge the steelers 3532. And to buffalo. Here we go. Johnny manziel in for brian hoyer early in the fourth after browns go down 203 in the bills. Manziel rushes for his first nfl touchdown. Buffalo remains in the playoff picture after a win over cleveland. Why was manziel in . I dont know. Maybe they needed someone to flip the bird to players. Do we not have any alabama highlights . Whats going on . What happened this weekend. Ancient history. We replayed the field goal being returned in the iron bowl enough. Thats not highlights of us beating auburn 5544. Whats the name of that game . Its iron bowl, baby. Alabama number one. Number two, fsu. Squeaked by again. Did you see that calm alabama fan eating doritos. It was very funny. The crimson tide looks amazing. Congratulations to ole miss. Big game. We go from highlights on the field to headlines off the field. Will the team pick up ray rice now that hes been reinstated to the league . I think they will. What do you think . I do too. And former governor turned Sports Writer ed rendell joins us and the first daughters insulted on facebook. Now the heat is intensifying on the gop aide who posted the disparaging remarks. Stay with us. You pay your Auto Insurance premium every month on the dot. Youre like the poster child for paying on time. And then one day you tap the bumper of a station wagon. No big deal. Until your Insurance Company jacks up your rates. 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Weve been seeing Liquor Stores looted according to the Washington Post. Weve been seeing Small Businesses looted. Weve been seeing the destruction of Small Businesses with people that have been struggling their entire life to open up Small Businesses. What would have you done going back to august to protect black Business Owners that have seen their life savings go up in smoke because the government did not have what it took to protect their stores from being looted and destroyed. I think jay nixon has been a good governor. The mistake was made by not having a significant guard presence. Back in august, as the grand Jury Announcement was made, the tragedy here is that rioters are punishing people who are totally innocent who probably agree with them on the eventual decision. You have one thing as governor that you possess to call out the guard in as great numbers as is necessary and the guard should have been over it in a much better physical presence and capacity than i think was the case. Let me play devils advocate. You have the guard out. Now we have images of guardsman with clubs hitting young black men on the head. Arent you in a loselose situation . You deploy the guard in a way as backup to the local police and the state police and you give the guard specific responsibilities to protect property. Thats their specific responsibility. You leave to local police and state police the function you are talking about. The guard gets called in. If local police and state police get overrun. The guards main thrust would have been to protect property. Ed, we have been talking a good bit about the protest and everything else. Do you have any sympathy for the protesters that are going out and setting things on fire and flipping cop cars and busting windows open. Do you see anyway that justice is served by that or the cause of Michael Brown or the cause of a fair criminal Justice System is furthered by images like this . No. In fact, as president obama said, i thought he said something very good upon hearing of the decision. The browns themselves had said, look, dont in our name or in our sons name destroy property or commit crimes. Thats not honoring our son. We honor our son by trying to make systemic changes. I saw something out of san diego, maybe los angeles, where you had protesters blocking an on ramp that stopped commuters from getting to work, nurses, doctors, sanitation workers from getting to work. What would you do if you were faced with that situation . You had protesters lining the streets during rush hour commute in the name of justice but at the end of the day getting people fired from their jobs. The first thing you do in philadelphia we have whats called a Civil Affairs unit. They are specifically Trained Police to do things about crowd control. I would have sent the head of Civil Affairs unit out to talk to protesters to say you cant stay here. You made your point. Well let you demonstrate on the side of the road, et cetera, but you have to go. You cant block traffic. If you continue to do it, well have to physically remove you. Well move onto other news now. Former Baltimore Ravens running back ray rice is free to play football again. On friday rice won his appeal of an indefinite suspension and was reinstated by the nfl. Hes now eligible to sign with any team in the league. In july, commissioner Roger Goodell suspended rice for two games for a Domestic Violence incident. Then in september, rice was suspended indefinitely after a graphic video surfaced showing the extent of the assault. During arbitration, the nfl argued that goodell was misled saying he didnt have all of the information when he first learned of the incident but former district judge Barbara Jones serving as the arbitrator wrote in her decision im not persuaded that rice lied to or misled the nfl at his june interview. I find that the indefinite suspension was abuse of d discretion and must be vacated. And adding did goodell know details of the case when he gave rice the two gday suspension after meeting with him june 16th . Did rice mislead him by downplaying the elevator encounter. Jones suggests so. In a wide ranging today show interview, mat lauer spoke to janay rice about her emotions in the direct aftermath of the incident. I was furious. We came home and we didnt talk the entire ride. I didnt speak to him the entire ride home. He tried to talk to me. I didnt want to hear anything. I just knew he hit me and i was completely over it. I was done. Didnt want to hear anything. I just didnt even want to entertain it. Entertain him or anything he had to say any explanation. Of course in the back of my mind and in my heart i knew that our relationship wouldnt be over because i know that this isnt us and its not him. Espn is now reporting that at least four teams have expressed interest in rice including the Indianapolis Colts and the new orleans saints. Though neither are necessarily expected to pursue him. Here with us now from washington, Sports Editor for the nation magazine, dave, good to have you. Does ray rice get picked up by one of those four teams . I think its highly probable that ray rice does get picked up. Maybe not by the end of this season. Thats something the item would have to weather the storm to do. The team most likely to look at ray rice would be the Indianapolis Colts. Their coach used to coach rice in baltimore and yet owner of the colts has had his own runins with the law this year and one wonders if they would weather the Public Relations storm. I have to say that we have to give a lot of credit to the National Football league. This is the last time i will ever give credit to the National Football league in this interview. What a friday news dump this was. I mean, my god. The day after the famies sittin around the tv, the heartwarming stories of nfl players and thanksgiving and then its friday and everybody is in a turkey coma and then its oh, boy the way, the commissioner may have lied under oath to a federal judge and ruled that ray rice has more credibility than he does and have a nice weekend. Ed, sounds like pretty good timing. Well have to remember that in the future if you ever want to dump something on a friday. Its an old politicians trick. It is. What do you make of this . I said earlier that goodell probably knew the suspension wouldnt stand up because he already suspended him once. For pr purposes, he had to do something and maybe this is what he had to do. Well, it goes to the core of the problem here, joe. The core of the problem is you cant have one person being the prosecutor and the judge or the jury as the case may be. If Roger Goodell is going to hand out discipline, then theres got to be an appeal process within the frame work of the nfl and not by going to court where someone can appeal. Roger goodell was all over the lot. The twogame suspension. Roger goodell whether ray rice told him or didnt tell him, hes not a dumb man. She didnt get knocked unconscious by an accidental hit. Everyone knew what happened. The video made it crystal clear. Thats number one. Number two, they put in this sixgame policy. If its a sixgame policy, give ray rice six games when you readjusted the sentence. So hopefully the thing that comes out of this is that the commissioner can hand out initial discipline but theres an independent person who hears the appeal not in court but in the nfl. Also, in these meetings with players on things this important, how can they not be transcribed. Its stunning to me the meetings werent transcribed. You were saying before the rices needed to be more straightforward than they were in the interview with matt lauer. What did you mean by that . Take more personal responsibility and not throw it all on the commissioner. They need to become spokespeople and role models. Hell earn back the ability to be a public figure and they both need to take more responsibility about what happened and to help be leaders to try to help eradicate it not just in nfl but wider society. Dave how is a sophisticated morning joe viewer supposed to square with the commissioner not being truthful with the nfl statement saying nothing in this report that commissioner wasnt truthful . Im glad you mentioned that. When i read that memo i could not believe the gap between what the nfl was telling their teams and the actuality of judge jones ruling. What judge jones said was basically Roger Goodell under oath doubled down on the story hes been telling for the last three months that he did not see the video and that the nfl security, which by the way is populated by former members of the fbi and the secret service, somehow did not have the investigative capabilities of tmz and yet despite that, he was not able to get the video and see it. He doubled down on that story. He also doubled down on what the rices said when they were sitting with him. The meeting was not transcribed but five witnesses in there said rices were truthful with goodell. Goodell said he left that meeting believing that both were at fault in whatever took place in that elevator. He doubled down on that. If there is a particularly aggressive states attorney out there who wants to do so, its not beyond the boundary of scope to put the phrase Roger Goodell and perjury in the same sentence. The Ohio State University community is grieving this morning after the body of a missing Football Player was found on sunday night. Police say Kosta Karageorge died of an selfinflicted gunshot wound. His body was discovered in a dumpster not far from his apartment. Family members reported him missing on wednesday. His mother says her son texted her that morning to apologize for embarrassing her blaming concussions he had suffered. Fellow osu students held a vigil on sunday night. The Athletics Department was shocked and saddened to hear of his death. He was 22 years old. Thomas . This is a terrible tragedy for the Osu Community obviously. 22 years old. They went into a panic when this young man disappeared. They didnt know what had happened. We have that ominous text message that went to the young mans mom. What does this say on a larger scale about concussions within football and here on the College Level and how seriously we should be discussing that and what it can do to a young person . I mean, of course, i dont think we know the specifics of this young man and whatever he was fighting inside his own mind and what have you. This is going to be a sports story for the next generation. Its going to be whether or not we have full scale and full contact tackle football in this country for people under the age of 14. The former chief neurologist of the National Football league believes there should be no tackle football for kids under the age of 12 and that there is evidence of brain injury for kids as young as 6, 7, 8 years old. If that happens as kids are developing, that could affect their ability to frankly just grow as teenagers and develop so we are going to see all of these cases, whether accurately or not, will be used as sign posts in stories Going Forward as to how much a role football has in youth sports in this country. I started playing football at 8. Im evidence of that. I cant see as a dad letting my kid play tackle football. Not right now. Dave, thank you very much. A couple other news stories to get to. A new investigation shows the Iraqi Military is doling out salaries to at least 50,000 soldiers who do not exist. False names are rampant on defense ministries payroll providing evidence of the widespread corruption infecting baghdads central government. The socalled ghost soldiers are tapping the military of nearly 400 million a year although its likely only a fraction of the actual cost. Also, a republican aide on capitol hill is apologizing for controversial statements about the obama daughters. Following the ceremonial pardoning of a turkey, an annual white house tradition, its a nice, fun, casual relaxed tradition, elizabeth took to facebook to pest her opinion of sasha and malias appearance during the event. They look adorable first of all. They serves as Communications Director for u. S. Congressman and she wrote, i get youre both in those im reading this. Its awful. The bottom line with this story is that democrats and republicans over the years, dont go after the kids. Leave them alone. They look adorable. After many hours of rereading words online, i can see how hurtful my words were and i pledge to learn and grow and assure you this from experience. Last three president s, clinton, bush, obama, all put kids off limits. The press followed. This woman made a huge mistake. She apologized for it. Really bad judgment. They have done a great job. You go back in time, jimmy carters daughter the press felt was free game, the press has stayed away from the kids. The press stepped up to the plate and really with few exceptions has stayed away from the kids. And for this woman to do it in this case where they were just standing there engaged in this great tradition, horrible judgment. Ed rendell, who will win the National Championship in College Football . Oregon. Youre killing me, man. Ed rendell, thank you. Its horrible. How can you do that to me . Still ahead on morning joe, a 13yearold boy missing for four years is reunited with his mother. Nbcs Kerry Sanders live with us for t with the latest details and broadcast tv will not exist as we know it by 2030. Whats next for the company as it prepares a global expansion. Youre watching morning joe. Well be right back. Ring ring . Progresso you soup people have my kids loving vegetables. Well vegetables. Shh taste better in our savory broth. Vegetables . 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From the Atlanta Journal constitution, the 13yearold boy who disappeared almost four years ago was found alive in georgia. He was reunited with his mother 24 hours later. Police say the boy was found behind a fake wall during a second visit to a home in georgia. Joining us now from georgia, Kerry Sanders with more from this story. Kerry, anybody from the family talking at all about this . Reporter no, theyre not. What we do know is that that 13yearold boy is now safely back with his mother. Yes, he was hidden behind a wall according to police in this house over my shoulder and details of how he was discovered sound like something from a tv thriller. Safely back in his mothers arms, investigators this morning are trying to piece together the story of what happened to this 13yearold boy who had been missing for four years. All rise. Reporter in court on sunday, the boys father and stepmother sat in shackles charged with false imprisonment and Child Cruelty after police found the boy in their house in a hidden room behind a fake wall camouflaged with towels. According to authorities, the rescue started when the boy somehow contacted his sister using a cell phone. She relayed the message to their mother who tipped off authorities where the boy was being held. But when police went to the house, their search came up empty. Officers went and made contact with individuals in the home who did not have any knowledge of who the child was. Reporter it was only after a second call from the mother with more details that police went back to the house and this time they found him. It was a shock to all of us. Reporter neighbors say from the outside there was nothing apparently wrong. They would see the boy doing yard work or playing with other children and they described the parents as really nice people. Hey, come over any time you want. Hang out if you want to borrow sugar, whatever. Reporter neither the mother nor the boy spoke with reporters. They didnt need to. Samantha davis, the stepmother here, is on probation on a separate case for Child Cruelty. Both she and the boys father remain in jail this morning. They were denied bond. An incredible story. Kerry sanders, thank you very much. Coming up, big oil means big money but what happens when Oil Prices Drop . Well take a look at how american Oil Community is reacting to those lower prices. Brian sullivan has the report live from north dakota next on morning joe. How could switchgrass in argentina, change engineering in dubai, aluminum production in south africa, and the Aerospace Industry in the u. S. . At t. Rowe price, we understand the connections of a complex, global economy. Its just one reason over 70 of our mutual funds beat their 10year lipper average. T. Rowe price. Invest with confidence. 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People we talked to over the weekend said the current rigs, they are probably going to be okay. Its the new rigs. Its the growth thats at risk. Lowest Unemployment Rate in america. Truck drivers making 150,000 a year. Starting workers at mcdonalds here 20 bucks an hour with benefits. All of that will slow down if the new rigs slow down. So thats the opec story right now is that is opec trying to come after the u. S. Oil boom . Some people suggest they are. The realities of oil prices at this level, all of this is at risk and this is one of the whatever you think about environmental aspects, thats a different argument. This is one of the latest economic boom stories in recent american history. Period. I asked a guy who is very high up on wall street who i knew on the oil sector, i asked him what opec was doing here and were they trying to hurt isis or trying to hurt russia or trying to hurt the iranians, and he said, well, yeah, but they are also trying to hurt america. They want to kill the Energy Revolution thats going on right now. So thats why oil prices are dropping. Reporter and people here know that. Heres the interesting things about a town like williston. Well have that 2 00 eastern today. People in different industries. They watch the price of oil. Not every minute but they are all aware of it no matter what industry theyre in and a lot of them suggested were not saying opec is coming after us necessarily but they do believe that opec would like to see this slow down a bit. Theyre not nervous yet. Weve been here before. Well be fine. To live in this weather, you have to be tough. The people here are tough. I think if Oil Prices Stay at this level, guys, it could be a little bit harder down the road certainly for the new growth. Fascinating. Fascinating that were talking about reporter im going back in. Thank you so much, brian. We have been talking about Energy Revolution. Its already here. Certainly north dakota, 20 an hour at mcdonalds. 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Well if you start putting that towards your retirement every week and let it grow over time, for twenty to thirty years, that retirement challenge might not seem so big after all. We have an Investigative Reporter here with us. This is absolutely fascinating. These two families obviously such two huge forces in the 20th century you say destined to be intertwined. Very much so. Its the story of two great nations together. When you have two figures like Winston Churchill and john f. Kennedy, you talk about some of the great things about why we study history and why people get involved in government. You say that jfk grew up reading churchills history books. He did. He loved the guy and yet when they came together for their meeting, it was very awkward. Why . Thats in 1958 on a boat with onassis who is flirting with jackie. First time that jackie meets onassis. The meeting with jfk and winston is old and its a disappointment for jack. Of course more on that later. Lets go back to meetings with this interworking. Obviously joe kennedy was on the exact opposite side of winston in 1940 going into the war, but they scratched each others backs very well. Thats the big find in my book. As you point out, most of history about the kennedys and churchills were written after world war ii so most people say they hated one another. Of course they very much did disagree over the war. But prior to that, they were friendly. They were friendly with people like lord beaver brook and they had a number of different friends. The arc of the book is that they were friendly. They were also they took care of each other. Inside deals. Talk about it. In 1933, its the almost the end of prohibition. Kennedy wants to be the first one on selling liquor in america. He gets the british liquor deals and goes to london and meets with Winston Churchill and he brings the president s son, jimmy, and bottom line is joe gets the liquor deal. Jimmy gets the insurance contract on back and forth and thing that i found what does churchill get . He gets stock in two companies associated with joe kennedy. My goodness. What you make of that by todays standards i think winston probably saw it as a friendly stock tip. Gratui gratuity. Its actual, the stock sales are framed around the meeting. A little bit just before and a lot right after. How much money are we talking about . By todays standards were talking about back and forth of about 900,000. Was that one of the biggest gold mines he ever had . It was surprising to me. Winston lost his shirt during the crash of 29. He was fearing he would have to close down. So bernard was his best friend in america. He was involved with this deal as well and i think it was something that had never been said before. Wow. A quid pro quo going on there. A lot of churchills wealth in one deal. It is. Its something that people had not looked at before. Those records are now computerized. I was able to find that out relatively easy. You find this out. Churchill kept pushing the United States to drop atomic bombs on russia soon after world war ii. Im a document guy. One of the things you do is you look at somebodys fbi file and in there was a conversation that churchill had with a senator from New Hampshire in 1947. Winston had already talked about the iron curtain and had given a big speech in missouri about that. There in his fbi file was this document, which indicated that winston was saying that to stop the expansion of the soviet union, that we should consider, the United States should consider dropping the bomb on the kremlin. And then of course you had jfk and churchill actually come together both of them cold warriors at the end. As much as i talk about joe kennedy and his impact, a big part of the book is fathers and sons in the sense of greatness. Winston was in many ways the intellectual godfather for jfk. A lot of speeches in the 1960 campaign had the phrases where he quoted winston quite a bit. And the whole view about containment and learning the lessons from england in the 30s were carried through by jfk as a cold warrior in the 60s. All right. When lions roar. Thank you so much thomas maier for being with us today. Very good. Still ahead i want that. Im bringing that home. Netflix quest for global domination begins with a new series about world traveler. Will the gamble work . The pentagon at war with president obama . The new report that suggests the relationship between the white house and the pentagon may be even more strained than thought. Youre watching morning joe. Well be right back. Everyone has questions about money. You know, i think about money kind of a lot. Moneys freedom. Moneys always on my mind. Credit cards. Mortgage. Debt. Its complicated. Its not easy. Im not a good budgeter. Unfortunately, im a spender. I would love to learn more about finances. 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The report goes on to say the Obamas Administration reputation when it comes to these matters is impacting the white houses ability to find a replacement for hagel who gave his resignation as defense secretary last week and now to a behind the scenes look at netflixs upcoming original series marco polo. Well talk to emily steel about her new article entitled how to build an empire the netflix way. Heres a clip from the series. Rolling. Action. At the beginning of the story, hes 17 years old and his father was a great merchant so his dream is to become a great merchant as well. Marco travels with his father on his next trip back to china. They get to there and when the negotiation goes wrong, the last ditch effort the father offers marcos service. We are all prisoners and privileged guests. One and the same. Emily, this looks huge. Its epic. How much money have they spent. 90 million for ten episodes. Who does that . Netflix does. The only thing even comparable is game of thrones on hbo. These are movie studios. Educate us. 90 million for a movie that no one thinks twice over. Thats what theyre trying to do. The company does a lot of oscar winning films and it was over these ten episodes they feel whats costing so much in salaries of the cast . They shot in malaysia and italy. There are more than 100 cast members. Hundreds of extras. Lets talk about netflix strategy. Whats behind this . Whats their goal . To rule the world . Whats really fascinating is netflix in the u. S. , growth has started to slow so they are trying to expand internationally so they see that as the next area they can grow. Its slowed because they now have 30 million u. S. Subscribers and theres only so many people they think will too different f hbo. Hbo looks for shows that have global reach. Its a very simple formula. Were going to five years from now correct me if im wrong. No distinction between what we saw in hbo, in a theater, netflix, amazon. Does it all blur . It is all blurring. Whats really fascinating is about a couple of months ago, netflix announced this new deal to crouching tiger hidden dragon. A partnership again with the Weinstein Company and imax theaters, which is really blurring. Adam sandlers next film, you know where, amazon. Its netflix. The way hbo does, people say, i got to get netflix just because i want to see marco polo. All around the world is what theyre hoping. I didnt recognize any of those actors. Are there famous actors in this . No, theres not. Very little known 24yearold. An italian actor that they found just looking through audition tapes. House of cards has spacey and other known people, right . Theres no one known in this. What do they think, is it the great storytelling . Why do they think this will be must see tv . What the chief content officer at netflix told me he picked up the scripts and its a beautiful story of an east meets west drama. Theres lots of martial arts and a lot of drama there he thinks will capture the audiences. The answer is simply, ways driving is, okay, what is going to play in dubuque and vietnam and globally. Which is what we think every morning when were setting this show up. In four languages. Yeah, but, you know, band of brothers was an extraordinary gamble by jeff bukess when he was running hbo. He decided to bet the farm, 125 million on this epic series that didnt have any stars. Bunch of young guys. It changed tv forever. Thats what producers say, that you dont need a star to make tv, that tv makes the stars. Wow. Wow. 90 million budget for the first ten episodes. Its all around the world, all ten episodes. Thumbs up, thumbs down, did you like it . Im not the biggest into epic historical dramas but my editor loved it. Come on, we want you, not the editor. 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What is so remarkable is they might as well have come out with a flying saucer attached to all of their heads in solidarity of Michael Brown being transported to venus on a flying saucer. Because that happened as much as that happened. And thats according to grand jury testimony. Thats according to witnesses. They are using his accomplice in the robbery that was with him at the time. Who also claim that Michael Brown was shot in the back. And for some reason, the media attaches to these narratives that will stir up further protests. I got to say, i just got to a Tipping Point this weekend. Theres another story in cleveland where a young boy tragically was shot dead. Police officers got a 911 call. That he was waving a gun scaring the blank out of everybody in this public park. Police officers came up. Stopped. Shot the young boy. He was 12 years old. But they had taken off the markings to make it look like a toy gun. Do you know what the New York Times put in the caption of the video . Police officers shoot child with toy. This i dont know exactly who puts those attaches those. But were doing such a grave disservice to Police Officers in this country by pushing a narrative. That theyre just going around looking to shoot and kill black people. Joe and somebody has to tell me. Somebody needs to tell me why Michael Brown has been chosen as the face of black oppression. I see actually a reverse of what happened in trayvon. Where right wingers clinged to this nasty thuggish guy. That chased a young black man through a neighborhood. Simply because he was black. He was guilty, trayvon was guilty of walking while being black. And my right wing, nut job friends all embraced George Zimmerman, a thug. If you dont think hes a thug, ask the women who lived with him. Hes a thug. And right wingers embraced George Zimmerman as a hero. And in so doing, they humiliated themselves. There are so many great people to embrace as heroes in the black community. That deciding youre going to embrace a guy that knocked over a Convenience Store. And then according to grand jury testimony acted in ways that would get my children shot. On Staten Island or in queens or in brooklyn. Thats your hero . Thats the reason you want to burn down black businesses, that Small Business owners in ferguson have worked their entire lives for . Thats why you want to block africanamerican commuters with five children going to work in the bay area . And get them fired . Really . This is your mission in life . Donnn donny, im sorry, this ram thing, this was the final straw for me. I have sat here quietly and listened to b. S. Being spewed all over this network and all over other networks. I cant take it anymore. I will say what i said last week. And i say this not to black children across america. Because as i have said repeatedly on this show, time and time again to people like gene robinson. There are two Justice Systems in america. A young black man is treated much worse than a young white man. On the street. In the courtroom. In jail. There are two americas when it comes to criminal justice. And i have said that repeatedly. But, donny, in this case, if my child or your child knocked other a Convenience Store and then went down the middle of the street shouting profanities at a Police Officer. Lets say on Staten Islands, in queens. And then went into the car and started punching the Police Officer and grabbing for his gun, probably be shot in the car. Yeah, i saw you this morning. I was on the show this week. I said, am inmissing something here. I kind of got you going. Look, i am a little left of center. Im right of center. I could not agree with every word you said more passionately. Its not a black white situation. Its a thug Police Officer situation. I sit here, you know, and im going to sound like a grumpy old white guy. But am i missing something here . Am i absolutely miss something here . That a criminal who goes into a cop car, goes after a cop, and then somehow his hands were up. This is not doing the black community any favors. You know what piss pisses me . I have people that let me say what i say on set and they sit and stare at me, slack jawed, and theyre afraid to say anything on the air, even though they know its b. S. Youre the first to say what everybody says off set. I said this last week, that this would happen to a white guy. I had two white guys on set say to me, i remember the time i was blank. And i just got out of the car and the Police Officer pointed and screamed get the blank back in the car. And one of them said he didnt. He said, get in the car or ill shoot you. That happens all the time. Cops are tough all the time. Are there more blacks that get shot than whites . Yes, im sure there are. Im sure weve got all the statistics and we can find the statistics. But in this event, theres a separation, wes moore, theres a separation between how i felt with Trayvon Martin who was basically chased through a neighborhood and shot because he was a black young man by a punk that didnt want black guys in his neighborhood. In this case, with trayvon. And perhaps im totally wrong. I dont wesley, dont want to discuss the criminal Justice System. Dont because i agree. Its uneven. Its unfair. Just in this case, youve heard what donny and i have said. Tell us where were wrong. How we have it wrong. Theres definitely differences between the case of martin and brown and the case of temir rice. Its not that Michael Brown has taken on the face of black oppression. The facts of the case are the facts of the case. Theres a couple challenges. One is that by not even going, you know, to trial that police are theres still speculation about what the facts of the cases are. Thats one thing i think people are still very concerned about. The second thing i think people are concerned about is this idea of rules of engagement. If everything lays out that Michael Brown was doing what he did prior to being shot to death, than thats inexcusable. But at the same time, people also have to understand Michael Brown was still an unarmed teen. And any time you have a situation like that there are certain rules of engagement that have to be applied and followed. This dynamic of Police Department training and Police Department execution of that training is something that comes into this equation as much as a black white situation. Lets start the training from now. What would the training be, white or black kid, reaching into a card, punching a Police Officer going for his gun . Like, what would be lets start. Blank piece of paper. Were going to train every Police Officer in the country differently now. What would play out differently . No, so if we look at the facts that we know it initially, right, was that Trayvon Martin was that Michael Brown actually was shot during the initial altercation of what happened. Then as he proceeded to flee, thats where the training ive actually spoken with Law Enforcement about it. As Michael Brown continued to flee, thats where a lot of the speculation and the training then comes in. About, you know, was there actually a shot to the back while Michael Brown was running away. No, thats another lie that was put out there, that he was shot in the back. There was no forensic evidence that he was shot in the back. That was yet another lie that was propagated by his accomplice in the robbery who also claimed that he held his hands up and said dont shoot. So thats the second lie. What also then becomes the distance between the second shot and the fatal shot. As i said on the show, i think there actually is room for not just common understanding in all this, because truthfully the job of Law Enforcement is extraordinarily difficult. I think the reason we have the rules of engagement we have and the reason we have to work on a better sense of trust within the community is actually in my opinion as much to protect and support the Law Enforcement as it is the individual community that theyre required to serve. I think simply saying, you know, simply looking at the protest, hands up, dont shoot, is, you know, compliance of Michael Brown or his actions before and after, you know, him being fatally shot is not the full story. Mika, what do you think, about the rams, what do you think about everything youve heard on the set, about people saying one thing when the cameras on and then saying something completely different when the cameras turned off . Im not going to take all of that on, but i will say, when you talk about hero, i completely understand what youre saying there. But i think a lot of people see the situation as a symbol of the problems between the police and the community that are glaring. They are glaring. And i think theyre important. And i think thats the shooting of Michael Brown is a touchstone to open the worlds eyes to the deep risks there are in the country between the police and the community and the imbalance. I do think theres a lot of value in the frustration over the situation. Not everybody is looking at it in the extreme way that youve described. I think we do need to take it really seriously. What do you mean not everybody looks at it i dont thing everybody looks at him as a hero. Well, theyre going i think a lot of people would have liked to have seen an indictment so they could really see the facts played out. Giuliani, who i agree with on nothing, said, as a former u. S. Prosecutor, it would have never even gone to a grand jury based on the evidence. They bent over backwards by going to a grand jury. Find a jurisdiction in america where a guy knocks over a lets say, a white guy knocks over a Convenience Store, then he goes out, and then he rushes in and he starts push punching a cop, he runs away, starts charging back. Find a grand jury in america that would convict that cop, a black cop, of shooting a white dude. You wont find it in america. Check the laws. Check the statutes. It would not happen anywhere in the whitest suburb of america. That black cop that shoots the white guy for doing the identical thing would not be indi indicted. I dont disagree with your main point but lets remember some facts that occurred after the incident. The body laid in the street for hours. It was despicable. The way local Law Enforcement handled it, the racial despaispy between the community i agree with all of this. Youre saying the Police Officer and the young man who died, that thats the whole story about why people are making a big deal about that case. And its not. The murder, im sorry, the death, is the thing that set this in motion. The way it was handled puts in sharp relief a lot of problems and not just in that community but around the country. And thats whats caused a lot of the emotion. Had the body not laid in the street, had they handled it better, this would not be at least 40 africanamerican mika, again, donny and i have said what we said. Ive been saying repeatedly since august that its disgusting. That theres such a terrible racial inequity, not only the criminal Justice System but also in ferguson specifically. Also in ferguson specifically that its absolutely terrible that that black man lay in the street for 4 1 2 hours. Thats one area that no white man would lay in the street for 4 1 2 hours. There are places where there are great inequities. That said, at least get your signs right. If this movement is important enough to you, dont base them on a lie. If that commissioner of the National Football league to suggest to the st. Louis rams, their ownership, their coaches, their general manager and their players, that having players before the start of a National Football league game make a gesture that suggests that st. Louis Police Officers gun down young black men, saying, hands up, dont shoot, i suggest you have some work to do. Not just on ray rice. You have some work to do to talk to those players. Because the cops have every reason to be pissed off this morning. Every reason in the world. If i defended everybody by saying what i said, trust me, 95 of america think just like me. Just because there are cowards that wont say that on tv, thats your problem, its not mine. Still ahead on morning joe, for all you espn fans out there, were going around the horn with Kevin Blackstone and bob ryan. 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Lease this 2015 standard collection cts for around 439 a month. Time now to take a look at the morning papers. The Iraqi Military is doling out salaries to at least 50,000 soldiers who dont even exist. False names are rampant on Defense Ministry payrolls, providing the latest evidence of the whiidespread corruption. Theyre tapping the military of nearly 400 million a year, although its likely only a fraction of the actual cost. So usa today, protesters and police on the streets of hong kong. Had to use water hoses to push back the activists from storming government buildings. At least 40 demonstrator ace rested. The act visits are calling for free elections in one of the fiercest challenges to beijing since the 1989 uprising. Nbc news now. Police in afghanistan say they shot and killed a bird which may have been conducting a Surveillance Mission for the taliban. The officers say they killed the animal after noticing it was strapped with an antenna and what looked like a gps. Also, it looked like wow. You have our drones, we have ours. The bird, which wasnt native to the area, was spotted walking along the highway in a region marked by violence. We get this from the new york post. Crew members on a u. S. Airlines flight kicked off a passenger, get this, because her pet pig was smelling up the cabin. All right. So it was apparently incontinent. A Company Spokesperson said it was initially allowed on board because it was considered an emotional support pig. I have one of those. Theyre very loving. You hug them in bed they dont talk back. They dont talk back. They have a future that could smell like bacon. Mm. Under federal rules, monkeys and cats also qualify as this comfort animal. In this case other passengers im going to get me one. But passengers complained and the pig was booted off the pig. Apparently was incontinent. Well, it happens. Some issues. The biggest animated film of all time is reportedly getting a sequel. Disneys blockbuster frozen is set for a followup. Thats according to idina menzel who provided the voice of elsa. It brought in more than 1. 2 billion worldwide. It also won an oscar for the best original song let it go which has been stuck in parents heads so, mika, i know your children are older, have they seen it yet . One of them has. Okay. Yes. Ive seen it 1,000 times. Its good, its really good. Its on demand so now people can rent it. I think its really popular for the kids. At christmastime, elsa gear, everywhere. Elsa. Its very good. I mean, its not lion king which ive seen 4,700 times with my children. Ive never seen lion king. Oh, my god. Up next, ray rice is able to sign with any team in the nfl but which team will take a chance on the troubled player . Let me get tyes . Straight. Lactaid® is 100 real milk . Right. Real milk. But it wont cause me discomfort. Exactly, no discomfort, because its milk without the lactose. And it tastes . Its real milk come on, would i lie about this . Lactaid®. 100 real milk. No discomfort. And try lactaid® supplements with your first bite to dig in to all your dairy favorites. Whats it going to take in your mind for another team to take a chance on ray rice . For them to look past the situation which i know is going to be hard. At the end of the day, hes a Football Player. Thats what they should really be focused on because hes proven himself as a Football Player for seven years. Theres never been a question on what he can do on the field. You think an owner and fans of the team can get that image or those images from that elevator tape out of their minds . With time. We know its going to take some work. I think once he shows them who he is and, you know, they reach out to people here and they find out the things hes done, than i think its definitely, you know, could help. That was jenay rice, wife of former Baltimore Ravens running back ray rice, on today. Joining us now, Kevin Blackstone and rob ryan. Who wants to take a swing at the commish first . Good morning. What did he do . The commissioner has of course lost credibility with you, me, the american public, the players. Just about every unimportant constituency. Because theres only one important constituency for him, the 32 owners. Theyre the ones who make the call. They dont seem too riled by any of this. Why should they be . This has been a record setting nfl season. Of course. Ratings are good. Business is fine. Last week, the patriots had a 770 share in boston. Probably had an 80 share yesterday when we get the news. Yes, thats all true. Thats what they Pay Attention to. But the fact is, the commissioner has now been found to have been at odds with the truth in the judgment of judge jones, who took the word of ray rice when all is said and done over the commissioners. We find him having lacked credibility. Those 32 owners are the ones that have to make up their minds if theyre embarrassed by it. We had a Sports Writer talking about perjury. Is that a stretch . Did the commissioner commit perjury . I think thats a stretch. I think what people need to be focused on quite frankly is the fact that title 7 of the Civil Rights Act as amended provides some protection for people who are who have been convicted of crimes when it comes to seeking employment. Or seeking reemployment. And i think that is something that applies to this particular case with ray rice. Going to be picked up by you think indianapolis is going to pick him up . Well, i think somebodys going to pick him up. Somebody should pick him up. His trial his case has been adjudicated. Hes still serving a probationary sentence under the court in new jersey, if he violates that, he can be brought back to court and tried for tried for his case. So, you know, i think this is something the nfl actually can be a leader on and not a laggard. The Obama Administration has filed lawsuits over the past several years against corporations who have used convictions and discriminated against people and employment. Its against the law. They both have credibility issues now, rice and goodell. Bob, let me ask you, is it does it behoove both of these men to make the mess their message . And whoever gets their first is going to get their credibility first . Im not too concerned about ray rices credibility. I think hes been proven to be a truthful person. Im still more concerned about ray rice, who he really is. I dont want to go too far a field here. When we saw that video, whats the most shocking thing . Not that he punched her. The most shocking thing was his incredible lack of horror that hed just done so. It was just, oh, matter of fact, drag her out. Im still put off by that. I dont know who he ra yet. We do talk about his future employment. Someone will take a look at him because teams have a need. I want to point out one thing. When we see how it all shakes out. Whether this year or next year. Ive heard a recent story in which he was ranked 55th and last, last year, amongst all nfl running backs by the various metrics they came up with. Hes a dubious commodity right now anyway. As you know, running backs are gone through in this league like socks. They all get hurt. They have the lowest career expectancy. 2. 7 years. Of any position in the entire league. For somebody like ray rice whos been highly successful at that position for the last six or seven years, it would seem to strain credulity that no one would pick him up. Also about how managers are looking at College Player next april when theyre getting ready to draft. Janay rice said someone will pick up ray rice because hes, quote, a good Football Player. Have the rules changed where you also have to be a good citizen or you just cant be an abhorrent citizen . Weve been here before. Were going to be here if we have a conversation like this in ten years. Talent is the first consideration. It is the predominant consideration most of the time. But there are obviously times when people cross the line to a degree that the talent is secondary. Ie, eg, excuse me, aaron hernandez. Theres always a point where you have to who drafts this guy after hes been accused of rape, after hes been convicted of shoplifting. After he behaved the way he did . Does a guy like that get a second look he might not have gotten a year ago . Absolutely, he will get a second look. He may not go as high as he would have, had those allegations not come up in the nastiness of that particular charge. Bobs absolutely right. At the end of the day, especially when you talk about quarterback, a Football Player who has a Heisman Trophy under his belt who has not lost a Football Game in two years, who shows the kind of talent that he has, is going to get a look from somebody in the nfl. You know what, maybe he should. And maybe they should give him the kind of council he needs Going Forward as a young adult. Bob, you agree . I totally agree. I think hell be no worse than the second quarterback taken after marcus mariota. His talent is extraordinarily. He can win in the clutch, hes a terrific talent. Hes salvageable. 21 years old. He, in my mind, is still salvageable. University of alabama, so of course im in the tank for the crimson tide. At the same time, i do fear oregon. But i look at fsu and, man, you talk about winning ugly. These guys, ranked number two, alabama went ahead of them, but these guys have redefined winning ugly. Are they a good team . Can they beat oregon . Can they beat alabama . Because theyre struggling through a pretty weak schedule right now. But they havent lost. Thats the thing. It doesnt matter if you win ugly. At the end of the day, its whether or not you win. And theyve come back to win on the road. Theyve won when Jameis Winston had horrific games like he did this past weekend. They cannot spell lose, its not part of their category. Can they beat alabama . I believe we will be asking, are they really that good, as theyre being handed the trophy on that night. If they win, well be going, how did this happen . They looked so shaky. Theyve just won their 14th straight game. They can do it. How do you think this latest ruling by the arbitrator will impact Roger Goodells career . Well, you know, the thing is, and bob touched on it earlier, is that Roger Goodell works at the behest of the owners. He returned to the owners last year record profits which is why they gave him a record salary. So unless and until those profits are impacted negatively, i think Roger Goodell is going to be in Good Standing with the owners. He is their shield. He takes the slings and arrows for them. Thank you so much, gentlemen. Good to have you on. Still ahead, taking recycling to a whole new level. Why replacing wornout parts cannot only save a piece of equipment but it could help save the economy. This is an extraordinary story. Well explain straight ahead. Daughter do you and mom still have money with that broker . Dad yeah, 20 something years now. Thinking about what you want to do with your money . Daughter looking at options. What do you guys pay in fees . Dad i dont know exactly. Daughter if youre not happy do they have to pay you back . Dad it doesnt really work that way. Daughter you sure . Vo are you asking enough questions about the way your wealth is managed . Wealth management at charles schwab. 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Rochester, new york, has become its thought capital. And dr. Navel nasser is leading the charge. My colleagues in germany call me the pope of remanufacturing. Because i feel like im preaching about the value of remanufacturing. Reporter not to be confused with refurbishing where defector parts are replaced. Remanufacturing completely disassembled the equipment, evaluates every part and reassembles a new improved version. Cheaper. Lower environmental footprint. Same quality that you expect in a new product. Remanufacturing actually isnt new. Henry ford was an early innovator in the 30s. A scarcity of materials during world war ii further popularized the practice. And now its experiencing a sort of renaissance. The Rochester Institute of technology built an 84,000 Square Foot Research facility dedicated to the process. And its here where nasr and his colleagues help American Companies innovate new remanufacturing techniques often at significant savings. Youre able to bring one of those to so youre probably talking about 50 or less to replace something that would have been 550 brandnew. Even the furniture in the lounge is remanufactured. Now after 25 years the institute has become an important source of revenue and a prop to the entire regional economy. Spun off one company that was number four in rochesters top 100 of privately held companies. Its that kind of sustained impact that makes this kind of facility such an important asset for our region and for the state. Here with us now, Group President at caterpillar, stu levenek. S from washington, president of alliance for manufacturing, scott paul. Caterpillar is the sponsor of our special series. Great to have you both on the show. Were talking about sustainability, stu. This is sustainability defined. Here, youre taking old, making it new. Talk about that. Probably the easiest way to explain it for the average citizen is we all know about recycling. We bring in paper and plastic and wood and we turn it in for free because its good for the environment. Manufacturing is similar when you take an old used component thats beyond its normal life. You not only turn it in but we give that customer a brandnew, remanned component in exchange for half the price. You do this for jeeps. You do this for airplanes. It is extraordinarily expensive. Over 11 billion worth of products in 2011. Yeah, its actually not expensive. Were bringing used, you know, cars in that frankly arent very expensive. And reman them to a new condition. Look at this, aerospace, 13 billion. Heavy duty offroad, 7. 7 billion. Vehicle parts, 6. 2 billion. This is extensive. Scott paul, how much part of the future of manufacturing is this . I think its a significant role. Thats one of the exciting things about manufacturing today. Its not your fathers or your fathers factory that you saw or henry fords model of production. You have remanufacturing. You have democratized making through 3d printings. The Washington Post today about the White House Christmas decorations being generated by makers all over the country. You have artisan makers in cities like detroit making watches that bill clinton loves. You have the detroit three coming back. I think theres Great Potential for manufacturing. And the sustainability does the United States have advantage does the u. S. Have an advantage in remanufacturing . Is it something because of the research in rochester, because of what caterpillar does . Is this something that might mean nor jmore jobs for the uni states in the future . It could. We have the preeminent system of universities, research and development around the world. A lot of what makes manufacturing in the United States valuable is that innovation. We have the knowhow. America has been making things for more than 200 years. We have a highly productive workforce. We have another emerging advantage as well and thats energy with the abundance of natural gas and oil. Its bringing energy costs down for manufacturing. It used to be more labor insensitive. Its now more energy intensive. What does this mean for american jobs . As we look at this from a deconstruction point of view and also from a sustainability point of view . And millennials that want to buy or invest in products or invest like this, what does it mean for the American Worker . It is a great opportunity to grow in a business thats not only environmentally friendly but economically positive for the economy. Weve been at this for four years. We have this for 17 locations around the world. Mississippi you say is one of the main ones. Its one of the main ones in the United States. Mississippis a big one. I love the way it also cha e changes the mindset of what we make, what we manufacture. Because were in such a throwaway society. Everything gets thrown away. Everything gets thrown away. Many of the things that we do that with are valuable, usable. Maybe even better second time around. The first thing i think is important to understand is do it well, youve got to design with an end in mind. We have to resign our components to be rebuilt. At a new price or new condition, a fraction of the new price, which is a great deal for customers and a good deal for businesses as well. Fantastic. Stu and scott, thank you so much. Good to have you both on the show. Our series continues tomorrow with a look at coal mines turning back into nature preserves in north dakota. Extraordinary. Its amazing. Up next, when does social media turn into criminal behavior . A look at the case before the Supreme Court, what happens when online posts cross the line. Well be right back. As thnew players in newge in thmarkets face a choice do it fast and cheap. Or do it right. For almost 90 years, weve stayed true to the belief that if you put quality in, you get quality out. 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Com weve got breaking news. Islamic state militants have attacked a checkpoint along the border with syria, killing at least 15 iraqi border policemen. According to a senior army official. At least five officers were wounded via the attack. Much of the violence in iraq has been unfolding in the volatile anbar province, the main headquarters of the militant forces. So well be following that story as more information comes in. Today, the Supreme Court will hear a case testing the limits of free speech in the age of the internet. Anthony ilanai has been in prison for three years for posting violent rap lyrics about killing his estranged wife on facebook. Claiming the posts were therapeutic and he didnt plan to act on the threats. Among the posts being used as evidence, theres one that reads, quote, if i only knew then what i knew now, i would have smothered your [ bleep ] with a pillow, dumped your body in the back seat, dropped you off in toad creek and made it look like a rape and a murder. She testified the comments made her fear for her life. Today, the Supreme Court will decide if such online posts deserve First Amendment protection. No. I mean, enough is enough. Im sorry. So much for that. Yeah. Lets bring in right now, the Supreme Court nbc news justice correspondent pete williams. We talk around the table a good bit about how sort of this wild, wild west when it comes to policing the internet. Actually has very negative consequences for the type of people we attract to run our government. But this case, it doesnt touch quite on that. But whats the Supreme Court going to be looking at . There are two legal tests. One is the joe scar breaborough. The other is the legal test. Under the First Amendment, true threats dont get First Amendment protection. Just as obscenity doesnt get it or libel doesnt get it. The quote here is, how do you know if its a threat . What is the test . When the man from pennsylvania was convicted, the judge said whether a reasonable person would consider these a threat. His lawyers are saying to the Supreme Court today, no, no, the test is what was in his mind. What did he intend . So thats the question. Is the threat in the eye of the sender or the receiver. Pete, let me ask you, is the medium the message . Does somebody get a free pass if its written in a letter or published in a newspaper . Probably the answer to that is no, but theres Something Different about the internet. But what his lawyers are saying here is one of the problems with the in the eye the sender test is that when you post something on facebook, and thats where these messages were, these were not addressed to anyone. And so they could be read by people who had no idea who he is, who dont know the context, and so you cant judge it by the eye of the beholder. Nonetheless, the Obama Administration is arguing that you have to be very careful about these. Theyre basically upholding his conviction and saying no, the test is what is in the eye a reasonable person. All right, pete, follow up here, obviously, Justice Ginsburgs going to be attending todays arguments, after having that stent procedure last week. Shes had a very difficult time healthwise over the past several years. Doing well apparently. Still seems to be doing very well. Yes, indeed. We havent seen her yet this morning. Shes not what you would call a morning person. But we do expect her to be on the bench. She had the stent. She was in the hospital over the weekend. She was released on friday. And the court is saying they should be back today. Thats certainly our expectation. It would be surprising if he wasnt. It would be in keeping with her past performances and her last two bouts with cancer. She never missed a day on the bench. Whats happening with the president s executive order . Where is that . Is that appealed to the d. C. Circuit . Yes, the lawsuit challenging the executive order. Its going to be a long time before it works its way through. We have a long way to go. Pete williams, thank you very much. Appreciate it. Up next, what, if anything, did we learn today . Im meteorologist bill karins. Were starting december very cold in the northern plains. Windchill values as low as negative 30. So a high today of only 6 in minneapolis. Certainly feels and looks like the middle of winter. The southern half of the country, still mild. One more mild day for you on the east coast. Enjoy. Soup tastes like my homemade. Its our slow simmered vegetables and tender white meat chicken. Apology accepted. Im watching you soup people. 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Heres a great role model. Rosa parks. Todays the anniversary. When rosa parks decided she would not sit in the back of the bus and she would not give up her seat for a white man. And in so doing, rosa parks helped change history. In an extraordinary way. Beautiful. Itf its way too early, its morning joe. Stick around because the rundown is starting right now. Have a good day. Good morning, im jose diazbalart. First, ferguson fallout in the nations capital. President obama will hold a day of meetings, including one with his cabinet, to discuss a relationship between police and their communities. The oval Office Attention comes just two days after officer wilsons resignation. Also in the nations capital, traffic once again moving on the 14th street bridge after a protest there earlier today against the grand jurys decision not to indict wilson. Demonstrators are blocking traffic in washington, d. C. In st. Louis yesterday, five players from the rams walked out in the hands up dont shoot pose. Well have more on the angry reaction from the st. Louis police union in just a few moments. Nbcs Chris Jansing and ron al reason following the developments from the white house. And in ferguson. And we start, chris, with you. Good morning. Good morning, jose. Another busy day for the president. He has a good part of his day dedicated to ferguson. Its going to start at noon today with a meeting of his cabinet. Thats going to focus on something that was really a conversation back in august after the shooting. And after police came out into the streets of ferguson with assaulttype weapons, with riot gear. A lot of criticism of a program that gives surplus military equipment to local and state governments and whether or not thats really necessary. Whether or not the proper reviews are being done for who gets what, and if they do get it, are they properly trained. So theres an ongoing review of that. Hes going to be talking about his cabinet with that. Followed by a meeting with young civil rights leaders. Weve heard the president in the past talk about his own memories, being a young man and how he felt suspicion simply by the fact he was