You are hearing the bells that are ringing in Charleston South Carolina right now as an audio as a way of saying we are in unity, and standing by outside mother emanuel is correspondent adam reese. Adam, tell me what youre experiencing there this morning. Reporter the healing at emanuel is under way. Outside thousands line the streets. Inside, filled with black and white, people of all races as charleston mourns nine lives lost. Inside melissa, in the front row, Governor Haley. You have mayor riley, and i should point out about 16 rose back, Rick Santorum is here. The priest said early on the devil did enter our home but prayer changes things prayer changes us. Our hearts are broken tears are being shed. And melissa, i want to point out that downstairs the room where they had the bible study wednesday night, is also being used here as an overflow room for those people coming here to pray and remember those nine looifrz lost. Lives lost. There are a lot of tears shed as they remember those taken. Melissa . Thank you, adam reese. As we continue to watch the service there at mother emanuel in Charleston South Carolina. Knowing that that service is happening. I still want to take a moment and turn to a page in american history. In 1924 w. B. Du bois published a book about blacks and whites. They have been crucial to the wealth and power of the United States. More than 90 years ago, du bois wrote, the negro worked as farm hand and peasant proprietor as laborerer, artisan and inventor and as servant in the house. Just years from the horror of 9 11, west pointedly argued that blacks bear a unique gift for a nation in the age of terrorism. 9 11 nothing new for people of african descent if you understand it in terms of terrorism as a form of individual group or state action that attempts to engage in the murdering or maiming of innocent people and attempts to render them so intimidated and scared that they walk around deferential to the powers that be. Its an extraordinary lecture. And west goes on to say despite the terror black people are intimately aware of what it means to feel unsafe unprotected, subject to random violence and hated for who they are. Those same feelings that so Many Americans experienced for the first time in the days and weeks following the september 11 attacks. West also goes on to argue that it is the way black people have so frequently responded to this terror, this inequality this undeserved suffering and this death that gives a gift to the nation. Think of South Carolina as robert smalls. Despite being born into slavery, he fought for the union, and at the close of the civil war, chose to serve his state as a congressman, refused to be alien alienated from a world that was critical of him. Think of clairton county South Carolina, where the families that challenged School Segregation formed the first group of plaintiffs for brown v. Board of education, the Supreme Court case that compared inherently unequal. They put their children on the line to ensure that Public Education was available to all, critical to black people in the age of terrorism. Mobleys stunning act of bravery when she revealed her broken son emery to the world and launched a movement. Think of the confrontation on the bridge in salma, alabama. They have responded to terror with conviction and creative genius, and those actions have required a nation to move toward a realization of the higher ideals articulated toward its founding. This is a gift to black folk in the age of terrorism, to meet the terror with an unflinching commitment to equality freedom and deep humanity. When i look at the images in charleston, when i listen to the declarations of the families from voices still hoarse with grief, when i hear them singing the songs of freedom, i see again the gift of black folk in yet another moment of terror. Joining me now, the reverend dr. Jackie lewis who is senior minister of colgate church and the fellow of demos. Fellow of religion at Dartmouth College whose father marched with dr. Martin luther king jr. And studies of American Religion at harvard university. So nice to have you all here. I wanted to bring back cornells understanding of this idea of the gift of black folk in this age, but not in order to say that, like we are the sack sacrificial lambs, but to get us to think about that socratic questioning that this moment of suffering ought to call us to. Absolutely. And the illustrations that you give are the tangible outcomes of the collective efforts of black people through their suffering to create opportunities for others. One of the things that has troubled me even about the reporting of the incidents is the kind of emphasis at times on the immediate forgiveness of the shooter. Because for me it harkens to some of the kinds of concerns that curtis evans writes about in the burden of black religion. Its this thing where africanamericans in the 1700s and the 1800s, africanAmerican Religion was supposed to provide salvation and healing and liberation for black people. But at the same time for whites it was supposed to provide solace and forgiveness for harms done. And the way the abolitionists came to the south, they came to the south promising slave owners that its okay to free slaves because their religion teaches them to be forgiving and gracious. And black folks in religious communities find this kind of double tension. And somehow that kind of duality of intentions plays out in contemporary circumstances, and it raises a question is that too heavy a burden, this burden of black religion . Is it too heavy a burden . Is it even a fair burden for africanamericans to have . And with such immediate yaescy. Within days of the slaughter of nine. Jackie, i got an email from reverend barber in North Carolina responding in part to this and i think this is probably what hes like toll preach on in the coming days when he says the perpetrator has been caught but the killer is still at large. By which he is forcing, right in this moment he is suggesting to us that if we focus solely on the shooter, that may be the perpetrator of this crime, but again, the gift of black folk in this moment is to focus on the killer which is those broad structural realities. Thats exactly right. This man pointed a gun, but all of this culture, this racist culture and the systemic racism that mars all of our lives, i think, is the real murderer. What i think about black faith is this. Black christianity is honed out of the christianity of the christ, and that christianity was developed in a time of terrorism. This is about a roman occupation. This is about poor people struggling. This is about the jewish palestinian folk in that time being the black people. We know about black faith and black religion, and we know we need to love pray act. What i think is happening right now, even right now, is youre feeling the sense of how are we going to mobilize . Whats the next thing we do . How are we going to bury White Supremacy from the black lives on the ground . How are we going to take that flag ground that symbol of oppression . Black faith loves, black faith grieves and mourns black faith cries the blues, but then it acts. We talked a bit about this even before the show that even this notion of redemptive forgiveness borne in the moment of terrorism speaks about the nature of what it means to talk about forgiveness here. The focus has been on forgiveness and the evocation has been about christ on the cross, for giving. What about the romans the peace suppliers . With the romans, there is not pen penance without restitution. I would like to know if the white folks are hanging their heads in shame today. When are we going to have reparation for slavery, for jim crow, for the new jim crow. Unless you give back there is no forgiveness for you. The repentance cant even begin without the restitution. I worry about this idea that there is kind of an emotional healing, because everyone can agree in the horror of this moment but without legislative action without not just the symbols and well talk about the flag coming down but with the substantive behavioral lejs laifsh legislative action. 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Martin luther king famously called at 11 11 00 sunday morning the arc of america. Were seeing images from the inside of Charleston South Carolinas Mother Emanuel Ame Church there, and it is hard to miss among these worshippers and among the mourners who have been present over recent days the white faces. In fact in these days following the attack on motherie machine we will mother emanuel hand in hand embracing in solidarity. It seems a deliberate act of resistance in the days leading up to this. The question is if emotional solidarity formed in trauma can last and whether it can make lasting change. I guess thats my question for you today. The answer is no. I dont think its going to last. I think time will go by. This is a horrific tragedy. I believe that the expressions of emotion and grief are genuine, but a few weeks or a couple months will go by and this will not be the story anymore, and then there will be more racial terror in this country. Black people have lived in a state of terror since black people were brought to this country. As you were talking at the beginning of the show about the gift of black people to this country, i was thinking about the term entitlement, which is usually used in sort of a negative sense. But black people should think of entitlement in a positive sense. We are entitled to the bounty of this country, and we have been deprived of it systemically by law and otherwise throughout history and right up to the present day. So i respect the feelings of the family and the expressions of forgiveness and that sort of thing in this terrible time but i am not so quick to forgive. When i talk to black people who have not been among the family members here they are not so quick to forgive. But i want to be clear that for me at least, the thing im not forgiving of is White Supremacy and racism not white people. I feel like we do such a poor job of racism in this country, that for me i take real meaningful expressive joy in watching an interracial moment behind us because i do see it as people saying, we will not be terrorized in this way. I would take more joy in seeing it if there were actions that follow up these expressions. I dont see these actions. I see us going backward. I see black men being imprisoned and many of those people should not be in prison. I see murderers acts like we were just witnessing a couple days ago. And that is the call right . So here is Rick Santorum sitting next to del ray, who is an activist in the black lives Matter Movement and i know this because he tweets all the time. Hes tweeting it right now. There he is sitting next to Rick Santorum. That is a call, right . Its what we might call a conviction for the purpose of are you convicted to make change . Its a small symbol melissa, of a larger opportunity. Let me tell a good news story. When i was there, i got in a car and drove to charleston in a car of white women and black women. We were compelled to go. We stood outside the church and saw this huge crowd of whites and blacks gathered together with a young black lives matter leader named modine leading us in sort of a mic check. Thats a symbol. But i have a real story of a multiracial congregation working together in the black lives Matter Movement. So when mike brown was killed we are part of a movement that is interracial and that is interfaith. And i think we have to find ways to celebrate the hope thats happening, so just like when oak creek happened right . And youve had valerie on the show. This movement gathered together to gather prayers around those folks and to do action. Lovepray action to make sure crimes are being trapped as never before. And i think there is a little bit of movement afoot. I totally agree with you about the horrendous ways that black lives dont matter. I will forever be haunted by that little girl in the bikini and the cop on her. But there are signs of hope. Lets go back to Emanuel Church now and listen in to the service as reverend goff delivers the sermon. We have to go to break. Were going to go to break, and when we come back we will continue on this conversation. Reflexes faster than the speed of thought. Can a business have a spirit . Can a business have a soul . Can a business be. Alive . Let your request be known. Were watching the service under way at Emanuel Ame Church the first since wednesdays shooting shooting. Marla, i want to come to you on this, because honestly i have always hated representations of black church on tv. I dont really know how else to say it. My experience with the black church is one of worship, is one of service, and so frequently the images we see of black churches on tv or in movies are entertainment. Right. Talk to me about, then what this moment might mean. This particular moment of prayer at the altar where people lay their burdens down its a moment of solace and healing. And i think what Entertainment Television does is it forces us to think of that which is ecstatic and emotive, and it doesnt necessarily go to the heart of true christian faith. So when we see a moment like this, we can see people praying and offering up their pain to god and seeking healing from that trouble. And i think its a really important moment and this is not the kind of television that sells, right . So when you see television religious television now, it has to be something thats a product, something that can be commodified, so it has much more entertainment value. This has no entertainment value. Its spiritual value. And painful. And painful. You know can i also add to that that these people were killed as they were praying, and there is something especially devastating about that. And i think about whats happened over the years, arch Archbishop Romero while he was saying mass or going into a mass where four men were killed in prayer. Dr. Teller in his church killed at oak creek. When you pray you stand before god with all your vulnerability, with your soul open. Its a special moment in a human life. Its a moment when youre transformed. Its as if youre going back to the moment of creation. Imagine in genesis god creates the world and someone comes and murders everything. There is something especially horrific about that a kind of cruelty thats unspeakable. I think thats part of why i am 100 with you, bob. We have to move to a conversation about policy about structural change but i also dont want to miss the human value in the immediate moments thereafter of a variety of different ways that we have to heal. I dont mean healing like whoo lets get past that. I mean healing that requires engaging that wound. That is what i think should be taking place within the confines of the church. The black church has always been a refuge for africanamericans who have been living in as i described it this state of terror from the very beginning. But in being a place of refuge no place else to turn it has also been a place where leadership has emerged, where tactics and strategies are formed and i think that within the church you can say, we cant put up with this anymore, we cant have folks coming into our churches and killing us. And its going to require more than an Interfaith Service or a group of people getting together. Its got to go beyond that. In fact what i want to do right now is to bring in from Charleston South Carolina mr. David mack. He is Democratic State senator there in South Carolina in order to talk specifically about this idea of moving beyond it. Senator mack thank you for joining us this morning. Thank you. What are the next steps that move beyond this spiritual, this soulful, this emotional connection . What are the Public Policies that need to be next . Well you know one of the expressions i love is having commitment. Commitment is what you do after the emotion is gone. So when we get through with this, were going to have to mobilize more as relates to Public Policy. A lot has been talked about guns. We have to deal with that. A lot has been talked about race. We have to deal with that. And were going to need folks of all racial backgrounds, people of good will to move forward and help us impact Public Policy so we can move forward from here. I want to ask you about one Public Policy in particular. I want to ask you about the Confederate Flag that flies on government ground not far from the state house there in South Carolina. Is it time for that flag to come down . Oh absolutely. I remember being a little boy and somehow finding thea confederate hat and putting it on. This is in the late 50s, and the frown that my father had on his face. I didnt understand it but i knew it was bad. The Confederate Flag the whole confederacy represents a culture of hate and hate toward basically africanamericans for the most part. So yeah i think whats really interesting is that since this has happened there have been two colleagues that i serve with in the South Carolina house that are white republican males that are leading the efforts saying they will prefile a bill to take the flag down. We heard from a president obama spokesman that president obama believed the Confederate Flag belongs in a museum. We have seen mr. Romney former governor romney actually tweet about the flag and about its need to come down. For me i guess, if an individual wants to wear it mr. Romney said take down the Confederate Flag at the South Carolina capitol. To many it is a symbol of racial hatred. Remove it now to honor the charleston victims. To me its a symbol of hate. Whats going to happen in South Carolina around Voting Rights, in North Carolina around Voting Rights . What are we going to do to make sure people are in positions to democratically franchise in the south primaries . Thats critical and the voting issue has been broken down along party lines. I personally have sponsored several bills as at therelates to early voting and the Republican Party in the house of representatives have been very steadfast in putting in legislation to cut voting to hurt voting in some way. Again, thats something that we are going to have to as a state, as a community, and as a country, were going to have to look at. Do we want people to participate . Do we want everyone to feel as citizens in this country . So thats going to continue to be a fight, i know. There is no reason in this country, there should not be 30day early voting for everyone no matter where they are with the numbers, and logistically its too hard to do that to everyone anymore. 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For some this altar call is a familiar part of Church Service, and as you can see, it has been going on for quite some time. Many many people streaming to the front of the Church Taking turns to in fact as was said a moment ago, to lay their burdens down undoubtedly many heavy burdens in Charleston South Carolina this morning. I want to come back to the table. I had the opportunity to talk to the state rep about one of those burdens that i think many in the south carry. Its the burden of the Confederate Flag. So let me just begin by allowing you all to weigh in on this question. My understanding is the Confederate Flag was put up in the state house in South Carolina in the early 1960s azs a gesture of contempt for the Civil Rights Movement. It doesnt represent the soldiers who died in the union and so forth. The dont put up a flag as a symbol of who we are or what we are. Are you an american . What are you . It has to come down no question. For me this is such a critical conversation because the fight is about racism. As bizarre as that fight seems to me to talk about heritage of the south and slavery and the civil war without talking about race is weird. But lets go ahead and pretend we could. Whatever else it is it is the battle flag of the troops who fought against the United States of america. Im trying to imagine circumstances under which we would fly the flag of traitors. These are people who left their country, said we dont want to be part of this country anymore, and when you look at the shooter, the perpetrator in this case, mr. Roof who i dont want to give shine to but the reality is what we saw yesterday is many many images of mr. Roof waving the Confederate Flag holding up the Confederate Flag and other images of mr. Roof standing on spitting on or burning the american flag. It goes to the miseducation of young people. You carry this mythological narrative down through history. Im from South Carolina born and raised and in the early 9 0s 0s, graduated and went with to girls state. They had two girls from every state come and my resolution for South Carolina was to take the Confederate Flag down. When it passed my cosenator came to my room and was visibly upset. I mean tears in her eyes she had turned red, she was shaking. She couldnt believe that i had dishonored our history, our heritage, the south the way that i had. And it spoke volumes to me about the ultimate realities that we live in the way shes been educated and the way ive been educated. 90s, two women from the same state, both high achievers. Yes, and there is a sense that our teachers arent teaching the history of racism. We must be teaching something because roof is 21 years old and slaughtered people and used an analysis that is 150 years old about rape and how at 21 do you even have access to that unless someone is teaching it . You have it melissa, because we live in a nation that is teaching that narrative. Thats whats happened. The church is teaching that narrative. When we dont, as people of faith, speak against the narrative, we bless the narrative. I have to say, having been there, i have to say standing next to this young man with the black lives matter shirt on and his mast turned backwards. This flag is a symbol of all the black dead bodies in the ground. We have to talk about from the church, white churches korean churches latino churches how important it is to make black lives matter at the core of our theology. And until black lives matter no cores matter. There is a big, big difference between an individual owning, wearing a hat and it being on the state house, or being on state grounds or i just want to be clear, you own and display in your own space whatever you want. But when our government to which we pay taxes, including black folks, just its a different thing. Stick with me. 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Under the dictator ralph trulio deep animosity continues among some in the Dominican Republic. In 2013 a Dominican Constitutional Court struck the citizenship of children born to haitian immigrants in the dr as far back as 1929. This denationalization is hundreds of international citizens. After an international outcry, the government promised citizenship provided they had dominican government documents and were in the citizen registry. Those without documents could apply for legal residency and citizenship if they could prove they were born in the Dominican Republic. The final deadline to do that was wednesday. Only about 10,000 provided the required documents to enroll in the program, and following the Expiration Date the government said it would patrol neighborhoods with high migrant populations. If they are not registered they will be repateriated. Those include those who have lifrd in lived in the dr their entire lives, those who speak creole including those who have never set foot in haiti. Joining me now is the professor of College History and wrote the book dividing hispaniola which comes out this fall. And joining me is the speaker for haitian professionals. Starting with you here what is this about . Well melissa, thank you for the question. I think its about three things. Its about antiblack racism in the dr that goes back as far as you mentioned, but also takes a form in the dr antihaitian area. In the dr you arent even considered african descent, you can only be indian in the dr. You see this regularly apply to dominicanhaitian descent in terms of being subject to abuse from the government. Its also part of the political system in the Dominican Republic, that politicians should be able to own up to their misguided efforts. And thirdly, this is also a part of the u. S. s war on terror where you see immigration process of the u. S. Reflecting on the Dominican Republic. I want to go back to the fact that the u. S. Is implicated in this . Quite honestly before the murders in South Carolina this was the story we were leading with this weekend, because i was just appalled at what is happening, as i think Many Americans were. And yet the more i learned, the more i learned that actually American Foreign policy is part of this story. Yeah. For years the United States has an interesting relationship with the Dominican Republic. Theyre also hated. We need some Historical Context here, because this legacy of antihatism is really crystallized from the 20th century and the dictator trulio. There are 15,000 men and women of haitian descent were murdered. As i like to argue, it was the largest lynching of black people in the 20th century in the americas. And so when that moment occurs there is a this historic view of antihaitianism for the next 25 years until the dictator is assassinated. Until the dictator ends the resolute of that idealogy remains, so there was never an institutional countercampaign to see haiti as an equal. So franz, let me come back to you on this because to hear the institutionalism of antihateanti hif antihaitiism, i cant wonder about this that bans haiti and describes people of haiti as though they are part of the disease in the 1980s and 1990s, and this is this kind of complicated way in which our Foreign Policy has, in fact helped to buttress this relationship. Haiti has been in the black republic since 1884. There has been a pushback on haiti for a long time. Youre right, haiti was part of the three hs, and we see that as part of the policy of wet foot dry foot where cuban refugees are welcomed into the u. S. And haitians are turned back to guantanamo a lot of times. As my counterpart mentioned, this has been institutionalized that goes so far back and has not been at all recognized and this ruling in 2013 is just the latest interracial of what we call the Dominican Republic. This idea of we will go in and we will take people that is just straight racial profiling. Please. I was born and raised 50 blocks from here near ground zero. I had a romanticized notion because during the 1980s, i could visit my familys farm in the Dominican Republic. This connects to the whole haitian thing, and i discovered that i had rights and privileges in the Dominican Republic that darkskinned dominicans of haitian descent dont have and its a privyilege i dont deserve. Its clearly race and its also also i hate to do this but theyre screaming at me that i have to go. This is a critical issue, and unfortunately its a story thats not over. I hope you will come back and join us i hope you both will come back. 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We are watching the First Services at mother emanuel since the slaughter there earlier this week. A house of worship should be a safe space to gather to pray and to be in communion with neighbors and with god. This week on the same day that the massacre occurred in South Carolina, they wrote the same belief that a church should be sanctuary. Last year we brought you the story of daniel luis is emigrated with no documents. After being stopped in tucson arizona in his neighborhood in 2011, ruiz faced a deportation order in 2014. Just as the threat of leaving behind family and community he calls home neared tucsons church offered sanctuary for ruiz. The pastor of the church told us what inspired the decision to offer sanctuary. Were responding to two scriptures who call us to take care of the widow and the orphan, and were saying we need to act sooner than that and create our broken system from creating widows and or orphans all through our communities. So we are hoping other churches would step up. Customs enforcement grand ruiz to stay on the deportation order. When the stakes fired at another church answered the call First Christian church in tucson offered daniel sanctuary. They offered to review his state of deportation for another year so he will not need to live in the church. But the sanctuaries remind us of how important a role the churches can play when theyre allowed to be a place of sanctuary. Coming up were going to go back to charleston where hundreds of mourners worship inside Mother Emanuel Ame Church. There is more at the top of the hour. The world is filled with air. But for people with copd sometimes breathing air can be difficult. If you have copd, ask your doctor about oncedaily anoro ellipta. It helps people with copd breathe better for a full 24hours. Anoro ellipta is the first fdaapproved product containing two longacting bronchodilators in one inhaler. Anoro is not for asthma. 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It does not go unnoticed, it does not mean that were not aware of the problems that many of us face not only in america but right here in South Carolina and charleston. But there is a time and place for everything. And now its a time for us to focus on the nine families. [ applause ] oh i know im right. Because at this time we need to be in solidarity and praying for families and our communities around this state and particularly in charleston. So i want to say to the citizens of charleston and visitors thank you for being who god has called you to be. Thank you for your flowers out front. Thank you for the cards and the emails and all the acts of kindness. I want you to know that the offices and members of mother emanuel want to say thank you. Come on you ought to know its true. [ applause ] oh yeah. I know im right. Yeah i know im right. And i want to thank you have to give credit where credit is due. If you want to raise hell you have to know why youre raising hell, because hell is a specific place for specific people. But when folk are working and doing what they need to do as leaders in our community, in this moment in time i want to say thank you to Governor Haley for being on her job. [ applause ] day in and day out, working with those of us who are here trying to comfort, and not only to comfort, but to make sure the perpetrator, who came here and committed that heinous act, that was pursued and captured and brought back to South Carolina. [ applause ] oh yeah its all right. I want to thank mayor riley for the resources that he placed in and around us here at mother emanuel to make sure that we had all the resources we needed and also starting a fund to help the families and to help mother emanuel. I just want to say thank you. [ applause ] and then finally i want to say thank you to Law Enforcement. [ cheers and applause ] i want to thank them. I want to thank them. I want to thank oh yeah. I want to thank Law Enforcement and i want to thank the chief of police of the city of charleston. And our neighboring communities for working together to bring about a safer place not just for some of us but for all of us. I just want to say thank you to the fbi and all the Law Enforcement, the chaplains. As i get ready to go to my techs, i want to thank them for the respect they show not just black people but everybody that resides, because respect gets respect. A lot of folk expected us to do something strange and to break out in a riot. Well they just dont know us. [ applause ] they just dont know us because we are a people of faith. And we believe that when we put our forces and our Heads Together working for a common good, there is nothing we cannot accomplish together in the name of jesus. [ applause ] so lets dont get it twisted. Were going to pursue justice, and were going to be vigilant and we are going to hold our elected officials and others accountable to do the right thing. [ applause ] [ applause ] the blood of the mother emanuel nine requires us to work until not only justice in this case, but for those who are still living in the margin of life those who are less fortunate than ourselves, that we stay on the battlefield until there is no more fight to be fought. And for that we say thank you. Now let me hear somebody say now. Now. Now for the text. Somebody said i thought we heard the text. No you just heard the pretext. Let me hasten on and draw your attention to psalm 46. I wont be before you long but if i see somebody trying to nod and sleep in this warm room i promise you i will start with genesis. And i will read and i will read very slowly. You think theyre passing out water now, you just wait till i get you. Psalm 46 the first seven verses you will find these words recorded in the King James Version of the bible, psalm 46. God is our refuge and strength. Our president in health intro. May the mountains be moved and carried into the midst of the sea, though the waters are troublefold, there is a river that screams that we shall make the city of god the holy place of the tabernacles. God is in the midst of her. She shall not be moved. God shall help her. The heathen raged and the kingdoms were moved. The heaven lifted their voice and the earth melted. The lord is with us. The god of jacob is our refuge. Let us pray. Our father and our god, thank you for blessing the spiritual food for which we are now about to eat. In the name of jesus we pray. And the people of god shall say amen. God is our refuge. Every now and then you and i must realize that weve had some difficult days. And some of us have been in one kind of trouble or another. When we were young, we would run to our parents when we got in trouble. And when we got a little older, we began to confide in our friends, our spouses, and other coworkers. When we got in trouble sometimes, we just couldnt tell nobody nobody. Wouldnt happen. When we got in trouble. Have you ever been in trouble . Stayed up all night trying to figure out the solution only to have a greater headache than you started out with. But when you and i realize that there are some things we just cant handle by ourselves. I wish i had a witness. There are some problems and issues that we are unable to provide answers to. But i want to suggest and recommend to you this morning, if you find a problem or situation too hard for you, i want you to know that its just right for god. When evil is in the world, you and i may not be able to control evildoers. But i want you to know the day that i know a man who is able to handle all of our problems, some of us are still trying to seek answers to what happened last week wednesday. Well, i been there, done that spent the night. And ive decided to turn it over over. Ive decided to turn it over to jesus. You mean we are to forget what has happened . No dont forget. But to remember that the god who created us all is the god who will make a way out of nowhere. Yes, there are answers that we are still waiting for, but the answers still, by leaving our hands in the hand of god. Im reminded by some news Media Persons that all nine families spoke of forgiveness and didnt have malice in their heart. Well, on this fathers day, you ought to know the nine families dad. If you knew the nine families dad, you would know how the children are behaving. After all, our daddies said we are to love our neighbors as we love ourselves. If you knew our daddy, you would know that he said weve been engulfed by life. Yes, if you knew our daddy, you would know that some days are up and some days are down. Almost level to the ground. But if you knew our daddy, you would say when i look back over my life and see what the lord has done for us my soul my soul cries out hallelujah thank god for saving me. God is our refuge. And the first point you have to remember from this brief message is that we have to put our hope and trust in god. Stock markets may crash, friends may leave you, mom and daddy may be called back home to god himself, but if you keep your hand in gods hand turn to somebody and say hell make a way somehow. And the second point i want you to remember from this sermon that god is our refuge and strength is that praise for the great things for he has already done. God has a track record. Turn to somebody and say, god has a track record. Yeah yeah yeah. I just want to share with you, i got a praise. How many of you have a praise . I dont go through a whole litany of things early in the morning. I got five things i say, and sometimes it gets to 10. And heres what i say. The reason i praise him, he woke me up this morning. [ applause ] the second reason i say, he woke me up this morning. And the third reason i praise him, i say, he woke me up this morning. And the fourth reason i praise him, he woke me up this morning. And i get to the fifth one. He woke me up this morning and he started me on my way. Put running in my feet speed in my hands, gave me power to do his will. Say yes sit down, yall are worrying me now. The third reason i want you to remember as i prepare to go to my seat god is our refuge. He comforts us with the knowledge that god, who has always protected us. Thats why i was so pleased when the authorities made the phone call to us. You can go back into mother emanuel to worship. [ applause ] some folk might need some more time in order to walk in but for those of us who are here this morning, i want you to know because the doors of mother emanuel is open on this sunday. It sends a message to every demon in hell and on earth. [ applause ] no weapon no weapon no weapon shout prosper no weapon some order to black and white and brown, but no weapon to kill someone shout all right, sit down. Im about to close out. I want to thank you for listening to this message. But i dont want you to leave here without a life application to the message. When times of trouble comes into our lives, how do we respond . Do we respond and resort to fear . Do we respond in faith . Well as for me and my household somebody say for me. For me its sister goff and our boys and their friends. As for me and my household, we will serve the lord because its by faith that we are standing here and sitting here this morning. Faith of our fathers, faith of our mothers, faith of the church in which god has brought us into. Guests, you showed up this morning. We are serving notice on every evildoer that just because you think you got the victim i got an email that turned into a message to you. Remind them that i am still god. And beside me there is no other. And we have some difficult days ahead. But the only way evil can triumph is for good folk to sit down and do nothing. But if we are people of faith, we will join hands and begin to Work Together to forge a new partnership, not them against us, but we are the children of god who will be marching on to victory. The psalm has said when they were in trouble, they ran and found a place that was a refuge in him. Talking about a refuge in god. Some of us when we get in trouble we run from god, but those of us who are people of faith, we run to god. Thats why we cant have enough prayer people. We cant have enough worship and singing and praising because all of that god inhabits our prayers. God is our refuge. Im going to close and go to my seat. God has been mighty good to us. And some folk have called him many names. Some folk have called him marys baby. Some folk have called him the bright and morning star. Some have called him my bridge over troubled waters. Some have called him my alpha and my omega and my beginning and my end. Some have called him the lily of the valley. I wish i had a witness. Some have called him a leaning post. Some have called him a battleaxe in a time of war. Some have called him a leaning post. My mama called him a sure foundation. My daddy called him somebody say hallelujah hallelujah. My daddy called him a way maker. But i call him by his name and his name is above all names, and his name is the bright and morning star the living water, and i call him jesus. I call him jesus. How many are calling jesus . Stand up and say jesus. God is my refuge and my strength. When im weak he makes me strong. When im tired, he makes me strong. When im weary, he makes me strong. When evildoers come upon my tracks he makes me strong. But im so glad as i sit down this time and i put it this way, ive seen the lightning flash. Ive heard the thunder roll. Ive felt sins trying to conquer my soul. But i heard somebody say i heard i heard the master boys say fight on fight on because he promised somebody say he promised never that was presiding reverend goff at mother emanuel holding its First Service since nine South Carolinans were murdered at their bible study on wednesday. Before we go to adam reese on the ground i want to say what i said earlier, how uncomfortable i normally am of black Church Services on tv but that was a teaching moment. It was a moment for many of us in that tradition. We were having a service here at this table. It was a teaching moment so if you do not know why people would say hallelujah if you do not know why people would express gratitude in a moment of such pain you must understand as we heard from reverend goff as he preached isaiah 54 17, no weapon formed against us shall prosper. It is a moment when a people who are harmed who are hurt who are terrorized take it back refuse to be terrorized. And as we heard there from the reverend affirm that they are the people of god who will never, ever ever have to stand alone. Joining me now outside the church, msnbc correspondent adam reese. Adam . Reporter melissa, such a powerful sermon inside. I want to just bring you for a moment outside, just to see this city of charleston coming together. Take a look behind me. A huge crowd on this street but its mostly white. I want to tell you a little of what was said in the service today. It was healing moments where they used prayer and scripture, getting through this very difficult time looking for answers, trying to make sense of what is a senseless tragedy, remembering the fellow parisioners. He said theyre really called the emanuel nine and some expected us to break out and riot and that wasnt going to happen. Were coming together here. He thanked Law Enforcement. There are a lot of heavy hearts here, melissa. Theyre broken hearts. But they all say they will get through this somehow. Melissa . Adam reese in South Carolina thank you. When we come back we will have more on charleston and the emanuel nine after the break. If you have a desire to be a member of this household of faith called mother emanuel. Yeah. We need to sell it. Hi. Need an appraisal . Yeah. We do. Vo when selling your car, start with a written offer no strings attached. Carmax. Start here. Hi, my name is cliff. Im tom. My name is eric. And i help make beneful. I help make beneful. 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Weve been watching the first sermon at ame Emanuel Church in South Carolina since a gunman entered their sanctuary earlier this week and murdered nine men and women. At my table, reverend jackie lewis, bob hartford the professor of religion at Dartmouth College whose father marched with Martin Luther king jr. And the studies of religion at harvard. First i want to go to the first woman elected to the office of bishop in the 200year history of the african methodist episcopal church. Currently she serves in pretty siding tenthie episcopal district. Bishop, good morning. What did you hear this morning . Good morning. Thank you, melissa, for having us engaging in meaningful conversation, as you always do. What i heard this morning was a pastor comforting the people of god, not only those who are gathered inside mother emanuel, but those all around the country. He offered a comforting word a word of gratitude, but he also offered a word of determination that no matter how heartbroken we are, how devastated we are, were still determined to work and worship and to keep the doors of the church open for everybody, anybody and all. And, bishop in fact the ame church, it has a very particular history within the american context of having to be resilient in the face of horror. Again and again and again, our faith has always been a source of comfort as well as helping motivating us in our service, our ministry of social justice and liberation. Since the very beginning, i would dare say that the First Civil Rights Movement was when Richard Allen and apsilon jones walked out of the church in philadelphia and determined we were going to worship with dignity and integrity under our own vine and fig tree after being rejected being pulled from your knees in the middle of your prayer at st. Georges. It has continued time and time again. We know that on june 17th actually, at midnight on june 16th denmark had planned a revolt in the city of charleston. And it would be happening on june 17th. And then after that mother emanuel was burned. So here we have a domestic terrorist walk into the church when, on june 17th. You have to suspect that he knew his history. But even though the church was burned and by 1834 all black churches were outlawed in Charleston South Carolina people still worshipped. That is our resilience. And so we have been on the front line of freedom and liberation for more than 200 years. The foot soldiers for the Civil Rights Movement came from the black church. Our leadership the first person to serve in u. S. Congress after the civil war was an ame preacher reverend hiram rebels. Brown versus the board of education, brown was reverend brown in kansas an ame pastor. So time after time after time the leadership, the foot soldiers, those who pushed the envelope for liberation and freedom came out of the africanieafrican episcopal church. Bishop, thank you for joining us and thank you for bringing us a reminder of that history. Jackie, i want to turn to you in this moment. What did you hear . I heard a preacher doing what is our call to take the word and make it a living word for this moment in time to remind all of us that god is with us and god will not forsake us but also to call us into a place of love. Love isnt wimpy. My jesus love isnt wimpy. It turns over tables and says we wont have this anymore. It feeds the hungry and comforts the poor and it works against violence. I was so excited to hear what the bishop was saying about the ame church just thinking about the gifts to it not only to black americans but all americans. There is something about the liberation of freedom that excites me and im hoping that people will pray for charleston prayforcharleston. Here in this time of crisis you have a message being sent to the relatives and friends of the victims and then to a Wider Community that you know were wounded, our hearts are heavy, but we are not defeated. You know so there is no reason for despair. We will move on. First of all, i wish i had a rabbi. My father was jewish and he used to say if there is any hope for the future of judism and america, it lies with the black church. He meant the ability to pray and the political resistance. I found this tremendously moving, i found it extraordinary that it calls for vengeance, for anger for violence. I think this is also the gift of black folks. With that gift we need to respond, we have an obligation, so what are we going to do now as white people . Its a reminder of just how africanamerican churches throughout history have preached and talked about the need to have hope and trust in god, and that in the end, we can look back over history if we look through the children of israel. There is always a reminder that god brought the children of israel out of egypt, and there is hope there is possibility for redemption out of great tragedy, and you see that in the story that Bishop Mckenzie talked about with archbishop jones. That is the message of the episcopal church. And the refusal to define love to define resistance that nonetheless encompasses as weak an absolutely refusal to define those. If you understood on this fathers day who their father is who their daddy is that sends political, social and organizing messages of a full commitment to humanity. Thank you to bob herbert, to sue suzanne heshel. We will be right back. Audible safety beeping audible safety beeping the nissan rogue with safety shield technologies. 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The evil attempt to close these doors, but the evil around the world are put on notice with a show of faith and resilience and these doors will not close. There are still hundreds of people outside the church. Many are streaming from inside the sanctuary. But again, a moving service, the first one since that terrible tragedy struck this Church Family. But in any community, ive been around to many and to hear them respond and the preacher say some folks would have thought we would have done something strange like riot but they must not know us. Strikes me as amazing. From the moment we knew that ten of the church bells were going to ring and i guess when i started to hear that they werent just ringing, they were pealing, they werent tolling, they were pealing, and pealing is usually celebratory. I knew that we werent going to give out gratitude and praise as a way of pushing back and we did that this morning. Its not a time necessarily to mourn and be bogged down in grief, its a going home celebration. You heard the reverend say death isnt necessarily a punishment especially when youre of faith. You hear the energy you hear the applause that there was a Community Coming together in the wake of this tragedy, and again, you saw that on display. As weve all known and heard time and time again, the black community, the experiences of terror and trauma and Great Sadness and grief are nothing new. And so many times in our history we turn to the church you turn to your faith, you turn to men and women of god to seek that solace, and these folks in this community are doing that today. Trymaine i knew the second line of every first line is such a comfort because you knew you were part of a family. Trymaine in South Carolina thank you. Well be back with some news making headlines this week. Still an issue, a key housing case in the Supreme Court. They are connected, i promise, when we come back. 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They should not be judged by impact standard in its policy but simply by the purity of its intention. In fact, they have argued that because the Fair Housing Act of 1968 makes no direct mention of disparity impact it cannot be brought into housing cases. Now its time for the court to decide. If the Court Decides in favor of the agency the effects can be sweeping. As many more controversial decisions by the Supreme Court, this one is expected to be split 54. Guess who might be the crucial swing vote . Justice scalea. He surprised many in the Court Hearing in january when he seemed to make an argument that because Congress Passed its fair housing exemptions in 1980 they acknowledged existence. Justice scalea went on to tell them that you have to look at the whole law, and when all parts are read together there is such a thing as disparate impact. He went on to say that black players are not discrimination. Discrimination means intentionally not including a certain race. I think his knowledge is a little questionable at best but it shows scalea may not be full of justice impact. But if the numbers and maps show segregation in this country is not enough to prove segregation what is . Joining me now, mayor nelson and adam new science of criminal injustice. And juan is the president and general counsel of the Latino Justice prldf. All right. What is about to happen here . Do we know . Well we hope that the Supreme Court is going to uphold the standard that has led this country into integrated communities, more Inclusive Communities since 1968. A standard that as you said pervades many areas of civil rights law and it allows us to focus on the intentional discrimination and realize theres structural discrimination that is equally pernicious equally harmful and concentrates minorities into pockets of poverty, and doesnt allow them to fulfill their dreams and successes, as well they should. You talk about the disparate impact was meant to generate integrated communities. Nicole, i feel like not only being married to a housing lawyer for all these years, but in the work and reading that i do it doesnt really seem like i mean its a separate question about theres discrimination in this case. But i wonder if the goals of the 68 housing act havent in fact led to the housing communities. You have to have strong enforcement. We know for the entire time except for the first five years of the Fair Housing Act being passed, there was very little enforcement. With that said disparate impact is the only systemic tools that we have left. Otherwise, we largely have to rely on someone theyve been discriminated against, which is often impossible, and then actually going to an agency and seeking redress. Am i right then the other piece is we have to peer inside the mind of the discriminator and say there was intent there . Yeah. I think thats what really worries me. I tend to think that five justices on the Supreme Court believe that racial bias equates with racial animus. And thats only half of the story, right . When we see these tragedies that we saw in South Carolina, thats part of what were thinking about when were talking about racism in this country. But theres a whole other story out there that involves wellintentioned people who believe theyre acting in a way that creates terrible harm to members of the africanamerican community. And thats in housing, thats in health care and thats in criminal law. And so i worry that the Supreme Court thinks well you know we cross out racism from our laws. And then were all set. And thats simply not true. Its that point that theres a way that this these murders in charleston rather than revealing more clearly the continued nature of racism in america, might actually help to obscure it because if your racism doesnt show up in the church with a gun, then its not if it just shows up in a map of dallas texas, where people live in totally different neighborhoods, then we dont think of it anymore as racial bias. Thats so true. From the perspective of the communities that are being excluded and marginalized who cares. Who cares if you mention it or not. Exactly. You still exclude it. The way this dovetails is so key. Housing segregation is the main cause of School Segregation because of the patterns and zones. Were talking across many sectors here. So housing segregation leading to School Segregation, leading to housing impacts, transportation, all those pieces. This is the civil rights law that is the root at every other racial injustice. I think its also important to acknowledge, its like the Donald Sterling effect. Donald sterling was running housing where he was. The media knew he was the smoking gun tape right . Right. We cared when he called other prominent black folks names. But we didnt care for all of the years where his policies were keeping black folks out of housing. Connect that to legal strategy, if the worst thing happens, in that disparate impact goes down. Is it just housing . I dont mean just given that we just talked about how housing is connected to all these other things, but what other aspects of civil rights laws are vulnerable here . Should the Supreme Court decide to depart from what 11 circuits have opined on this issue and decided is a lawful standard should the Supreme Court decide to do this very abhorrent thing, then we will be faced with the challenge of seeking legislation to try to rehabilitate the Fair Housing Act. We can also rely on a lot of state laws. A lot of states are far more progressive in fare housing laws than at the federal level. The progressive states has not been my life experience. But there are about 40 states that have fair housing laws. Its up to us to ensure that they are being enforced. Its up to us to seek new federal legislation and protect the other civil rights standards that rely on this crucial disparate impact concept and make sure they dont get eroded as well. We actually know some things that if the court understood them might help them on this. I think its about bringing the case explaining why we need disparate Impact Theory at all. I think a wide sector of the American Public thinks that having barack obama elected as president means the end of racism in our country. Yet if you look across all areas, we know black men get higher bails, theyre more likely to be abused by Police Officers theyre more likely to get the death penalty. We know in terms of housing, there are disparate impacts. We need some evidence of why that happens. I think the science offers that. And thats implicit racial bias. Good people with good intentions can act in ways based on stereotypes which are pervasive in our culture. I want to say thank you to all of you. It feels like no time yet with this panel. That said that is our show for today. I want to say thank you to those at home for watching. Ill see you next saturday 10 00 a. M. Eastern. Melissa, thanks so much. Well pick up where your show left off. Well show you the tears and prayers inside the Historic Church where nine people lost their lives. Remembering the victims and the impact they had on those who loved them. New nbc poll shows how people are bothered by political dynasties. The results have some analysts scratching their heads. I accept that im not 21. I accept im not the sprinter i was back in college. 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