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Harrisperry. First this morning we want to bring you on update on the shootings yesterday in copenhagen copenhagen. The first featured a cartoonist who has mocked the prophet mohammed. One atekdtending the event was killed and three injured. The second was at a jewish synagogue. The Prime Minister of denmark spoke earlier today outside the synagogue. Our thoughts goes to his family. We are with them today. But our thoughts goes to the whole of the Jewish Community today. They belong in denmark. They are a strong part of our community and we will do everything we can to protect the Jewish Community in our country. Danish police say the person suspected of carrying out these attacks was killed after exchanging fire with authorities. Joining me now on the phone from copenhagen denmark, is peter keldorf. Peter, what do we know about the identity of the suspect . Reporter the police have told us this afternoon that they know the name of the man that they killed this morning and, as you said they suspect is the attacker from the two attacks. And they told us that our Intelligence Agency knew the man in advance. He was on their radar as our chief of intelligence told us. So our Intelligence Agency knew the man in advance and they know now the name of him but they dont want to reveal it to the press and to the public. Thats what we know for now. And do Police Believe the suspect was the only person involved or are they looking for more . Reporter they are for sure looking for more. Right now as we speak there has been a mass arrest at an internet cafe in the same area in the city where the man was shot and killed last night, this morning, so for sure they are looking for more. But on the other hand they told at the press briefing earlier today that they dont think there are others working with him. They are keeping their cards pretty close. We dont know whats up and down in this but of course they are looking for more. As we speak, as i told you, a mass arrest is going on in the same area where he was killed. Peter keldorff thank you. We turn to another story with implications here at home. President obama asked congress to authorize the war against the Islamic State in iraq and syria, but the truth is the war began months ago. Three American Service members have lost their lives in missions supporting the war. The loss of a human life is immeasurable. While there are many ways to measure the costs of war, the most basic comes down to money and the financial figures we can analyze are mounting. The United States has already spent 1. 5 billion in its campaign against isis according to the pentagon. We are spending an average of 8. 4 million every day. For some perspective, the war in afghanistan cost the u. S. 212 million a day. Together, the past 13 years of war have cost 1. 6 trillion. This war is much cheaper. Socalled smart bombs cost 40,000 each. Every hour of flying time for a fighter jet is about 10,000. And the u. S. Has launched more than 5,000 air strikes so its not pennies, but ground wars are vastly more expensive. In afghanistan, the u. S. Spent more than 1 million per year for every soldier on the ground. Compared to that the operation against isis is a war on the cheap. And that is perhaps why the president is so confident in public and congressional support of this new war known as Operation Inherent resolve. Im optimistic that it can win strong bipartisan support and that we can show our troops and the world that americans are united in this mission. Joining me now, Marcus Mayberry editor at large for the new york times. Kate dawson former South Carolina gop chair, molly otoole, politics reporter for defense one and Julian Zelzer professor at Princeton University and author of the fierce urgency of now, lyndon johnson, congress and the battle for the great society. Thank you all for joining us today. Marcus, i want to start with you because the public appears to be in favor of the president s actions against isis. Does the financial cost factor into Public Opinion on war . It will. It does it does. Historically it has. In this case of course should it . Without a doubt the most tragic cost of any war is loss of human life on both sides. Certainly i think americans feel it keenly, certainly americans whose families serve feel it keeny. One problem fortunately or unfortunately is more and more American Families dont have a Service Member in their family so i think fewer and fewer of us are attuned to those costs, but those are the most tragic costs. Economically speaking the American Public generally supports a war. As far as from an economic point of view as long as were in good economic times. We happen to be lucky enough to be headed into what seems like a sustained economic recovery so when it comes to this war i dont think theres going to be a problem. The other fact is because we dont have boots on the ground and right now theres no political will to have boots on the ground its a lot easier for the American People to stomach the war. On this point i want to bring up the poll data. For war authorization, 54 say yes, 32 say no. This is an nbc news marist poll. 26 support large number of troops on the ground 40 support limited number of troops, only about a quarter support no troops on the ground. So its interesting that there is support for sending actual people. I think if you actually have boots on the ground i think those numbers would get much worse quickly. The idea is one thing but doing it is different. Molly, how will this cost factor into authorization for the use of military force. I dont think thats what we see or hear. We see the chestthumping rhetoric but the members of congress are the oneses to make considerations of costs. They are in charge of appropriations, authorization bills. Power of the purse. Exactly. As weve seen with the Islamic State fight and the global war on terror for the past 13 years, the only real power for oversight that congress has, i mean the war against the Islamic State has been going on for six months without congress weighing in is that power of the purse. Now, politically they are loathe to be seen as not giving the military what they need in order to be successful. So while they are the ones that are in charge of getting these bills passed that would grant funds to the department of defense, what you see publicly is not going to become these back door discussions about costs. Theyre veryin tune in tune to what the public thinks politically. Julian tell us how past president s have dealt with the cost of war. Until world war ii they tried to deal with them so they would sell savings bonds where they would raise taxes and dealt explicitly with the moneys as did congress. Reechblgt recently we dont do that. We fund it through deficit spending and borrow. So people dont feel the effects. Eventually the costs are known not through taxes but the deficit rises, other programs start to feel it and thats where legislators are unhappy. Right now it all seems easy. The question is what happens if this expands and accelerates and whats the tradeoff that will be necessary. Caden, how if at all does cost factor into what stance the 2016 president ial candidates will take . It will have nothing to do with this. Youre already watching the republican candidates wanting to increase defense spending. Youre never going to lose on defense, especially in a state like South Carolina. Move to iowa and nevada. I think one of the things to see in the polling that i do is these beheadings and murders have changed the Public Opinion, especially of the young lady. And i make note that they didnt show that one. And that thats been one of the most unifying thing i see at the diner between republicans and democrats is they now understand who this enemy is. They dont understand the scope of it but they understand were going to have to lead. For once this is an unusual president to be asking for these powers. Some of my guys tell me hes not asking for enough because the public talks about it now. You know marcus when it gets down to people talking about it at the restaurants and the fear and you feel the fear the money will come second politics will come first. Marcus i want to come back to you because you started with this. We hear the president and other congressional leaders saying over and over no Ground Troops that this is not going to be a ground war in any way. Should we believe them . Sure right now. For now you can believe them. The reality is we dont know whats going to happen going forward. This is going to be a very long struggle. An intractable struggle. Many people argue you can look back to the struggle for iraq and before iraq and say this is part of the same struggle. On left and right, democrats and republicans, theres an interesting debate happening over that issue. About u but the fact is look at copenhagen over the weekend. This is truly a global struggle and a global war. How you carry it out and what means remains to be seen. But i find it hard to believe that somewhere in the world you wont need Ground Troops. Before we go to break we want to provide an update on winter storm neptune as it barrels down on new england bringing heavy snow and blizzard conditions. This is what boston looks like this morning. Crews are trying to dig out, while the area could see another foot of snow before the day is done. Hundreds of flights out of Logan Airport have been cancelled this morning and people are being urged to stay off the roads. This storm is a triple threat snow high winds and winter windchills. All in an area still struggling to recover from earlier snowstorms. Nbc meteorologist dominica davis is here with the timeline. Is today the worst of it for new england . It absolutely is going to be. Its not so much the snow although they have had plenty of that. The blizzard warning will stay in effect and thats because the winds and cold will be the extreme conditions today. Heres a look the at our blizzard warnings. They go up and down the coast going from massachusetts up to maine and that will go right through the overnight. And that is because with winds gusting as high as what could be 60 70 Miles Per Hour blowing and drifting snow will be will be the case throughout the day, which means visibility could be down to zero making for blizzard conditions. So heres a look at doppler radar. Good news because were seeing the snow machine wind down. That is great. Parts of boston have picked up 19 inches with this new storm that has come in since saturday. Still looking at heavy snow bands through southeastern massachusetts. Other than that really the snow is leaving. Its the cold and the winds, though, that will be picking up. Heres where were looking at extreme winds. Right along the coast where we have blizzard warnings 60 to 70 Miles Per Hour through the afternoon and tonight. 50 Miles Per Hour from new york further south. So the whole northeast is in on these strong winds. So everybody from maine all the way down to d. C. You will see some very gusty winds for today. Windchills 31 in boston. Its 43 i should say wind gusts, 43 Miles Per Hour in f philadelphia. And look at these windchills. This is dangerous cold. We will see some of the coldest air of the season tonight and tomorrow morning. Could be the coldest air weve had in a decade. Nbc meteorologist dominica davis, thank you. Stay right there, were going to talk to the only member of congress to vote no on the 2001 authorization of military force, representative barbara lee and her peace bill, after the break. [ kevin ] this is connolly cameron, zach, and clementine. We have a serious hairball issue. We clean it up, turn around and there it is again. Its scary. Little bit in my eye. [ michelle ] underneath the Kitchen Table underneath my work desk weve got enough to knit a sweater. [ doorbell rings ] zach, what is that . The swiffer sweeper. The swiffer dusters. Its some sort of magic cloth that sucks in all the dog hair. Its quick and easy. Pretty amazing that it picked it all up. I would totally take on another dog. [ kevin ] really . Ugh. Heartburn. Did someone say burn . Try alka seltzer reliefchews. They work just as fast and taste better than tums smoothies assorted fruit. Mmm. Amazing. Yeah, i get that a lot. Alka seltzer heartburn reliefchews. Enjoy the relief. soft, calm music. hi, youve reached emma. Im out of the office right now, but will get back to you just as soon as i possibly can. Join us for exclusive discovery at sea experiences. Princess cruises. Come back new. How much money do you have in your pocket right now . I have 40 21. Could something that small make an impact on something as big as your retirement . I dont think so. Well if you start putting that towards your retirement every week and let it grow over time, for twenty to thirty years that retirement challenge might not seem so big after all. President obama says he doesnt even really need congress to sign off on his military campaign against isis. According to the white house, the president has all the Legal Authority he needs, thanks to a Vote Congress took more than 13 years ago. On september 18th 2001 congress authorized the president to quote, use all necessary and appropriate force against those nations, organizations or persons he determines planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on september 11th, 2001 or harbored such organizations or persons in order to prevent any future acts of International Terrorism against the United States by such nations, organizations or persons. The vote was overwhelmingly in favor of military force. In fact only one member of congress voted against it. She joins us right now. Congresswoman barbara lee, democrat of california, joins us live from berkeley. Good morning, congresswoman. Good morning. Thern years13 years ago you said you were afraid our use of force might spiral out of control. Is that what you see now happening with the president s campaign against isis . Its unfortunate that the resolution i voted against really does allow for a state of perpetual war. I think this is critically important, without any president coming back to congress. That 2001 resolution served as the basis for the 2002 resolution, which was the resolution to authorize the use of force against iraq and here we are again now engaged in military action without repealing actually that first resolution. And so im worried, frankly, that the 2001 policy is going to stay in place until we repeal it and that it will set the stage for the continuation of military operations throughout the world really without congressional input, debate or authorities. Let me just follow up and clarify here. You dont think its enough that the president wants to repeal the 2002 authorization for the use of force, which we know was a justification for the 2003 iraq war, you want him to also you Want Congress to also repeal the 2001 authorization of the use of force as well . Absolutely. Ive had legislation to do that for many many years now. Because if you have a policy in place that allows for endless war and that allows the authorization to go to war any time, any place, anywhere, then youre really defeating your purpose coming to congress with a resolution that has not actually included repealing that first one. We need to fast forward to today and the war that were engaged in at this moment and not use any legal basis as the 2001 resolution for the continuation of that war. We need to debate a clean authorization. We need it to be debated with regard to repealing the 2001 so that we can actually bring forward now the American Peoples views on going to war in this day and time. So speaking of debate congresswoman lee, president obama said this about the upcoming debate in congress. In the days and weeks ahead well continue to work closely with leaders of congress on both sides of the aisle. I believe this resolution can grow Even Stronger with the thoughtful and dignified debate that this moment demands. So, congresswoman, how do members of congress have that dignified debate . And what questions do you think must be asked . Sure. Im really proud and pleased that the president has brought forth this resolution. I hope the speaker will allow us to bring it forth to debate and discuss on the floor. Of course were six months into this war and in many ways this resolution, you know moves us forward because we are engaged in military action. But i believe that we need to look at all of the options. I have a resolution hj res30 which does not take military action off the table nor forecloses military action but it lays out a comprehensive approach so that we can really deal with the underlying causes and really dismantle and degrade isis. Many have said many military experts, even the president has said theres no military solution only to this very horrible and horrific terrorist organization in terms of dismantling them. And so we need to look at a comprehensive approach. We need to make sure that we address all of the Revenue Streams, the oil Revenue Streams that funds isil we need to look at the flow of foreign fieltghters into iraq and syria, we need to look at the underlying ethnic tensions and so there are many things to be addressed to ensure our only National Security and help move forward in the middle east where we can really disable and dismantle this very terrible organization. So we need to have a debate but we need to debate all of the options, not only the military options. Thank you. Thank you very much to congresswoman barbara lee in berkeley, california. Still to come new poll results just released this morning reveal much about the class of 2016 and three very key states. Tool helps oh, jamie you got a Little Something on the back of your shoe there. A price tag danger price tag alert oh. Hey, guys. Price tag alert is this normal . Well, progressive is a price tag free zone. 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President obama was not shy this week about putting isis in the 2016 spotlight. Here he is explaining why his authorization for the use of force would expire in three years. Congress should revisit the issue at the beginning of the next president s term. Its conceivable that the mission is completed earlier, its conceivable that after deliberation, debate and evaluation that there are additional tasks to be carried out in this area. And the peoples representatives with a new president should be able to have that discussion. Okay marcus i saw your eyebrow raised there. How would this affect the 2016 race . I couldnt help but be affected by the president saying its conceivable this will be completed in the short time. No. Its not conceivable to anybody. This is a long struggle. The next president will definitely have to deal with it. As katon was saying earlier, the republican field is all on one side of the issue. In the primaries, it will be interesting to see is there a race to see who can be toughest on this issue. I want to bring in senator ted cruzs statement about this and get you to respond, katon, because he wants to make it more specifically about islam. Let me read what he said this week. Congress should strengthen the aumf by making sure the president is committed to clear objectives and a specific plan to accomplish these goals. That should begin by clearly defining the enemy as radical islamic terrorists. We will not be able to win the war against radical islamic terrorism as long as our commander in chief refuses to recognize who it is that we are fighting. Is he right . Ted cruz is the spokesman for ted cruz. That being said in itself you know, to a point he is. Its good politics for him right now. Its red meat stuff. Its what the president is probably trying to do. Nobody is fooling themselves who this enemy is anymore. I dont think we have to guess who they are, we see it every night. So the other day reasonable i guess in three years with a reasonable person. But this is going to be pontificated the entire time along with defense spending. I think all the candidates need to be careful, though. While the drums of war will sound appealing in Campaign Rhetoric and some of it rational, some of it from fear two things. Iraq still looms large and i think the public maybe in the polls the polls right now. I dont think theres a huge appetite for a big war right now. And thats important. And, you know the second issue is theres a lot of divisions in both parties that are right beneath the surface. Within the gop, among the democrats with war reauthorization. Any candidate who makes the wrong step dealing with this can bring those right out and find themselves in a minefield. The economy is still big. Certainly the democrats are not going tomt to want to shift to war time footing and forget middle class issues are what a lot of democrats are asking for. Lets hear from one other potential gop candidate about war, going to war. I would say that there is a Pretty Simple authorization he could ask for and it would read one sentence. And that is we authorize the president to defeat and destroy isil period. And thats i think, what we need to do. So pretty smart. Is that all we need to do . Fairly smart. Certainly congress is a little deeper than that. I go back to what he said. I remember in 2008 looking at bushs poll numbers and looking how war weary the republican voter was. You know and that was even when we had john mccain, a war hero, but that was and youre right. Weve got a long time between now and then. This is a political football but theres a double side to it. What rubio says is certainly smarter than what cruz said. A war against isil isil may have multiple addresses, but its not good addresses. A war against radical islam, whats the address for that . Its everywhere. Let me get molly in. Boys, boys boys let me get molly in f here because the president says he already has authorization and this can be confusing for some people. He has authorization but hes asking congress for authorization. Why is he doing this and what does it gain him politically . Im pretty skeptical of his argument that he put forth last week and what they have said that theyre relying on the his powers as commander in chief, theyre relying on the 2001 and 2002 amf so they dont need congress support but theyd Like Congress support because theyd like to show a united front. I think to some extent there is a legitimacy issue here. Obama himself said he wanted to refine and repeal the 2001 amuf and the 2002 one but then they shift their position saying theyre relying on it. So obama is a constitutional law scholar. He basically won office against Hillary Clinton because he could force her to own her vote for the 2002 aumf so i think theres a legitimacy issue but i think its more political than anything. A lot of republican critics but a lot of members of congress can sit back and say we dont know what the president s strategy is. Now, if he forces them to own, to share some of the burden politically of the fight by forcing them to take a vote publicly i think that that gives him some support as well in particular if it doesnt go as planned. Still to come, new polling on president ial hopefuls. Up next when the hits just keep coming. Retracting the latest in a series of snowstorms pounding a region of the u. S. Still struggling to dig out. You can find a new frontier. Theres nothing stopping you and a lot helping you. Technology thats with you always. This is our promise. Its never been better to wander because wherever you go, youll find us doing everything we can, so you can. They lived. 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Despite all the posturing and guessing about the potential gop president ial candidates the field is wide open. You dont have to take our word for it though. In a new nbc news marist poll in three states there are three different front runners. In iowa Mike Huckabee be would edge out jeb bush and scott walker. According to the poll if the New Hampshire primary were held today, jeb bush would come out on top ahead of walker and kentucky senator rand paul. And in South Carolina native son senator Lindsey Graham tops that crowded field, yes, before even any formal declarations. It is shaping up to be a close one. Seven different republicans get doubledigit support in at least one of the states. In the race for campaign funds, one potential candidate is pulling way, way ahead. According to the Washington Post jeb bush is far outpacing his would be rivals and his two political committees are on pace to amass tens of millions of dollars by earl spring. The former florida governors domination in the race has come at a speed that has impressed longtime republican money players who say wealthy party backers have rapidly migrated to bush since mitt romney decided against another White House Run two weeks ago. When we say wealthy, we mean really, really wealthy, like 1 wealthy. At a new york fundraiser last week, about 25 supporters paid 1 million each. As the Campaign Donations pour in will voters also follow the money . Back at the table to talk cash and the campaign trail, Marcus Mayberry, katon dawson, mallolly otoole and Julian Zelzer. Katon, ive got to come to you first, of course. At this stage of the game tell us how important it is to be winning the money race and not the polling race. Its always important to win the money race ask barack obama. Its always important to have cash on hand and the ability, but the numbers are what they are today. 18 is 18 . Mind you 36 probably wins you a lot of primaries because most of these primaries arent convoluted runoff elections. Its the guy who gets the most vote out of 14 ends up winning probably the most delegates, certainly in South Carolina and going back to the other states. So my point is its early in the race, its like nascar theyre swapping paint but never discredit the bush financial expert. But the bushs money making machine scare off mitt romney and others . Theres going to be about five people that can afford to run for president. As far as the republican side five. The rest will have a good time in the debate and there will be some surprises. Everybody catches lightning in this a bottle in the republican primary for a while. When you catch it you catch it on the outside, the front side and the back side from everybody else. Ambassadorships are out there, its a given, he did a great job. Mitt romney is gone he took care of that. So well see. Marcus jeb bush sounded like a populist recently in detroit where he said the recovery has been happening everywhere but in the family paycheck. How does he reconcile 100 for a plate for a dinner with connecting with middle class and working class families . I think we in the media are terribly unfair to politicians. I rary say this. Isnt that our job . We are unfair to politicians. It was so much to have dinner how can he have that much a person . It costs so much to run for office in america. Whether youre running for dog catcher is expensive. Running for president is ridiculous. The were going to have a billion dollar race again. Its disgusting if you want to have a democracy that you can buy an office this much. Thats shameful. But thats not jeb bushs fault. Thats all of our fault, thats societys fault, so thats a problem. We cannot call the guy out for that. What im interested in and the earlier question i dont think mitt romney was scared off by anybodys money. I dont think mitt romney is scared of money. He can buy the election himself with his own money without emptying his bank account. So thats not the issue. What jeb bush is trying to do is scare off everybody else with the money. Mitt romney was scared by the fact that he would have been humiliated again probably and the republican faithful were saying that so that was an issue. Mrs. Romney certainly didnt want to run. The issue for jeb is to scare off everybody else exempt for the four other people who will have the money to be competitive in this race. Everyone takes money at this point. Both parties take it. And you can be wealthy personally and be progressive. Franklin roosevelt was very wealthy and hes the most progressive president. The question is what are the republican policies where are they taking the money from. And some would argue they are not sympathetic to policies that will help working class americans. Let me ask you on this in terms of policy. Jeb just released his reformed conservative vision and it sounds a bit familiar. Remember compassionate conservatism that hazeis brother trotted out as his policy. A lot of republicans are bringing that up. It worked for george w. Bush. It actually was important in the 2000 campaign and i dont think democrats should take it too lightly. A lot of people feel democrats have not done a good job dealing with some of these core economic issues. I do believe republicans in the elections can make a play. There is a disconnect with where republican policies are, with tax cuts and with economic assistance and where these poverty arguments have been coming from. Right. I do think that the compassionate conservatism this sort of reformed conservatism however you want to give that name to it i do think it could be compelling. Obviously the republicans have suffered in the last few elections from a policy standpoint, also in terms of social issues in terms of the diversity and how they can appeal to the minority groups of voters who are only going to play a larger and larger role. Thats going to be even bigger in 2016 than it was in 2012 than it was in 2008. I do think what bush represents in terms of this reformed conservatism, he also has more moderate stances when it comes to things like immigration and thats going to be really key to winning over some of those voters that have been lost to the Republican Party for the past several elections. Youre talking about the general election campaign. Before you get to run for president , youve got to win that primary. Im not sure those voters will be as enthusiastic about this populist kind of notion of the middle class being left behind as they would be about other economic messages so ill be interested to know about that. Let me ask all of you, is it a good or bad thing that there is no front runner in the gop field . It seems like an open field. But im also curious who you think will be the first to flame out. Go ask all the front runners from the last two how it felt to be front runner. Hillary clinton. Ask how they felt shes not running yet. By the way, shes at the top of the polls in iowa New Hampshire and South Carolina. I actually think its a good thing for the party. I think the party uses these primaries sometimes to have a more vibrant and robust debate about what they should be and put more ideas on it. But we do have to remember that fundamentals matter. Back to jeb bush raising a lot of money, in the long term i think thats still a big story. Once you hit the actual season if you dont have the kind of money to compete, hes going to wipe people away. And so i do think the debate is good good but we have to keep our eye on that fun raising. Youre right on it because the calendars are very different. Both moved the conventions up the calendar. Its about a 28 to 35day race. Whoever has money t to jump on super tuesday first, most of them wont after they get through South Carolina. I want to point out that governor bushs mom, barbara bush, has changed her mind. She wouldnt mind another bush in the white house. Political punch lines 40 years in the making. First, heres a look at what happened when saturday night live cast member Keenan Thompson met the real rev. Coming right up were going to be talking about something, just stay tuned for it. Coming back from a commercialkmercommercial. Well be right back. Keenan thomas. Keenan thompson. Reverend sharpton. Would you be willing to give up sharing your moments . Sacrifice streaming all night long . Is it okay to drop a connection, when you need it most . If youre not on the largest, most reliable network, what are you giving up . Verizon. 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Tonight saturday night live will celebrate its 40th anniversary with a big three and a half hour primetime special on nbc. Some of its most celebrated cast members will be there, including chevy chase, tina fey, dana carvey and many others who gave us some of the most enduring political impersonations. Heres some of our favorites from over the years. If i dont win, i will continue to run in the primaries, even if there are none. And now for my second announcement. Remember mr. Hussein, the venom of the american cobra spits far and true. Not spitting yet, wouldnt be prudent. Whats your name sweetheart . Her name is shakira. Shakira, that means african princess, doesnt it . Why, yes well she certainly is beautiful enough to be a princess. Say, are you going to finish these fries . Im the president of the United States and i need a straight answer. Am i going to get the spy plane back . I believe that diplomacy should be the cornerstone of any foreign policy. And i can see russia from my house. So america, i know youre not in love with me anymore, but i want you to know that my heart still beats for you and i can prove it. Im so in love with you that was fun, right . So do you want that or this eieio. All right. So julian tell us how has political humor affected politicians over time . Well theres been the humor that politicians themselves deliver, some like Ronald Reagan have used it very effectively to cut opponents like jimmy carter or walter mondale, one joke in a debate often just puts them under. But then youve had shows like saturday night live which have been effective. Gerald ford his portrayal by chevy chase as a klutz, even though he was a Football Player and an athlete had an impact on how we thought about it. Many others the george w. Bush was very devastating in terms of how people perceived his intelligence. And it reminds me of the al gore impersonations of 2000, the lockbox lockbox. And those pled into the campaign as did the sarah palin. Thats a new, amazing phenomenon where theyre almost indistinguishable who were talking about, tina fey or sarah palin. Katon, you advise lots of politicians. What advice would you give to someone who finds him or herself the butt of the late night comedy circuit, the butt of jokes . Youre in a real bad place, man. And politicians nowadays understand theres a 24hour news cycle. Theres stuff that catches everything they say. Thats where they all get caught. Thats who flames out first. They make the mistakes, they get comfortable. Jokes work especially self depreciating jokes work and they really work on the stump. But when you become the narrative of a show like saturday night live with the tremendous audience it has and the ability to run clips and clips again, its not a real good day for the guys who work for you. Sarah palin more than anybody, shes got to she felt it more than anyone. I was watching an hbo documentary of her game change on that book and how much sarah palin the real sarah palin and tina fey melded together is really clear in that documentary socalled. Because i cant imagine sarah palin thinks it is. But tina fey was kind of the most endearing part of sarah palin during that many cal painmpaign which is kind of sad. Molly, do politicians worry about their comedy critics as much as their news critics . Were sad januaryon stewart is going off the air but for a while thats where a lot of americans were getting their news. So i think they are more attuned. I think it will play into 2016 even mon than is has in the past in this era of social media, i think people are very very attuned to that. I think they have to learn to laugh at themselves. We want to think of politicians as being very smart people with all the ideas but also very down to earth people that we can relate to so i think you have to laugh. I think we recently saw president obama having fun in a buzzfeed video encouraging people to sign up for the aca. How important is it for a president to have a sense of humor . I think its very effective. Its a good way to go after another candidate without appearing nasty and mean. Reagan was under attack in the 1980s for being too old and he had this famous too old for walter mondale. He said i wont use my opponents age against him, his inexperience and youth. That was a very effective line. He did the same with jimmy carter back in 1980. Carter gives this long speech about health care and reagan just goes there you go again and he killed it. So i think you can use humor well, but it can also help you with the problem that youre talking about. In an age of soft news humor is the news and you need to respond. Let me follow up with you, julian specifically as our president ial historian. Who do you think were our most naturally funny president s and why . Lyndon johnson was very funny on the phone. He tells stories, he tells jokes, he can crack you up. I think reagan publicly and george w. Bush actually could be pretty funny when they wanted to respond to some of their critics. And then some were unintentionally funny. Gerald ford became in quintessential case someone who didnt mean to be funny as al gore was but was just fodder for the humorist. Is there no going back to its 40 years since saturday night live. Is there no going back . Were in an era that this is just the business of politics of having to respond to impersonations and comedy critics . The air has changed. Everybody has the world in their pocket now and we all have the list now to get there. Its changed. Its not as much fun as it used to be. You know those things mattered but when you get with politicians and all the mics are off, theyre all pretty funny. They wouldnt be there if they didnt have the charisma level, but it is a dangerous part of a campaign. Its the danger place to be to try to go especially a politician who really isnt funny and tries to be. It is just a real kill. And it didnt work with pail pailenpail palen. Thank you to Marcus Mayberry katon dawson and molly otoole. Julian will be back in the next hour. Be sure to watch the saturday night live special tonight on nbc starting at 8 00 7 00 central. Coming up next frank talk from the fbi director on race and policing and the big controversy shaking up Little League baseball. More nerdland at the top of the hour. Mouths are watering, lemons are squeezing and stomachs are growling. Or is it just me . Every minute between you and red lobsters lobsterfest feels like an eternity. And who could blame you for craving our largest variety of succulent lobster dishes all year . Dishes like dueling lobster tails. With one tail topped with creamy shrimp and a second tail stuffed with tender crab. 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Danish police now say the person suspected of carrying out these attacks was killed in a shootout with authorities. Joining me now on the phone from copenhagen is peter keldorff. Peter, who exactly was this gunman . Reporter we dont know for sure yet. The police are not telling much. What we know is that our the danish Intelligence Agency and the police have told that they knew this man in advance. They are not saying anything specific about imh. They they told us they know his name but at this point in the investigation they do not want to tell his name. They are carrying out several operations in the city of copenhagen towards an internet cafe. Early reports about many arrests right now and also earlier today in the area where the first attack happened yesterday, there was also a big Police Operation earlier today. And the police are just not generally talking that much about it especially who this guy might be. This many seems very similar to the attacks in paris on Charlie Hebdo and the supermarket. Is there any evidence of a connection . Reporter at this point theres no hard evidence but the police and the agency Intelligence Agency has said that this looks like the same style of attack as in paris. Its the same pattern. And also politicians, danish politicians and as i said the police and the agency Intelligence Agency has said this looks and could be an attack that had the same pattern as the thing that happened in france. First you attack a cartoonist who has drawn the prophet mohammed and then afterwards you go towards a jewish temple. What can you tell us about the context in denmark in which these shootings happened . Was this something the Danish People expected to happen . Reporter expected is a hard word. I would go more with fear. Yeah youre right, the danish population has been feared has been expected that this might happen. Denmark has had issues with drawings of mohammed. It was originally ten years ago the danish newspaper that first made the first drawings of the prophet mohammed and after that had several threats towards the newspaper. Danish embassies burned down ten, eight, nine ten years ago, so yeah this has been within the knowing of the population that it was more or less bound to happen at some point, people are feeling here. Peter keldorff in copenhagen thank you. Now we turn to a key issue here at home policing and race. This week the impassioned pleas of the Racial Justice movement that has demanded recognition and response to the policing of communities of color were joined by an unexpected new voice, the director of the federal bureau of investigation. On thursday james b. Comey delivered a speech at Georgetown University on race and Law Enforcement that was remarkable as much for its candor as its originality. It marked the first time the director of the fbi has spoken so openly and directly about race and the police and it was a moment that carried with it the weight of the bureaus own fraught history with race a fact that comey acknowledged in his address. There is a reason that i require all new agents and analysts to study the fbis interaction with dr. Martin luther king jr. And to visit his memorial in washington as part of their training. And there is a reason i keep on my desk a copy of attorney general Robert Kennedys approval of j. Edgar hoovers request to wire tap dr. King. It is a single page. The entire application is five sentences long. It is without fact or substance. And is predicated on the naked assertion that there is quote, communist influence in the racial situation. The reason i do those things is to ensure that we remember our mistakes and that we learn from them. Among those lessons were a series of heart truths comey said he had to face including the ways people can be misinformed and how we can learn a Little Something from that from singing puppets. Much Research Points to the widespread existence of unconscious bias. Many people in our white majority culture have unconscious racial biasses and react differently to a white face than a black face. In fact we all, white and black, carry various biasses around with us. I am remiemdnded of the song everyone is a little bit racist. Comey went on to describe how that can form the basis of racial profiling by the police. The two young black men on one side of the street looked like so many others that officer has locked up. Two white men on the other side of the street even in the same clothes, do not. The officer does not make the same association about the two white guys. Whether that officer is white or black. And that drives different behavior. He called on Law Enforcement to not only recognize how their biases inform their behavior but to employ empathy as a way to change it. Those of us in Law Enforcement must redouble our efforts to resist bias and prejudice. We must better understand the people we serve and protect by trying to know deep in our gut what it feels like to be a lawabiding young black man walking down the street and encountering Law Enforcement. We must understand how that young man may see us. We must resist the lazy shortcuts of cynicism and approach him with respect and decency. Comey concluded with a policy proposal that he said would be a first step in understanding the scope of police bias in communities of color. How can we address concerns about use of force . How can we address concerns about officerinvolved shootings if we do not have a reliable grasp on the demographic and the circumstances of those incidents . We simply must improve the way we collect and analyze data to see the true nature of whats happening in our communities. Director comeys call for more data would address the fbis challenges in gathering a comprehensive accounting of Police Shootings from local Law Enforcement, but numbers dont stop bullets. And this week communities of color that have never stopped keeping count of the lives that have been lost or threatened by Police Violence have continued to add more numbers to their tally. 35yearold Antonio Montez shot and killed by police in washington after he allegedly threw rocks at them. 15yearold Jamar Nicholson shot in the back by a Los Angeles Police officer while he was stacked next to a friend who was holding a toy gun. 57yearold patel who had traveled from india to visit his son in alabama and he was left partially paralyzed when a Police Officer slammed him to the ground. A response to a 911 call where the caller described him as a skinny black guy he had never seen before walking in the neighborhood. While the directors speech brought an end to the silence on race and policing its clear that the effort needed to effect meaningful change has only just begun. Joining me now is sema ire, monetha bandelay sheryl brown and Julian Zelzer professor of history and Public Affairs at Princeton University. Joining me from columbia South Carolina is marqez claxton, a retired nypd detective. I want to start with you, sem. A. Other than the fact that its important the fbi director said these things comey didnt bring anything new to the discussion. Weve heard critiques from attorney general eric holder from new york mayor bill de blasio, so whats the significance of the speech . For me not much. There is a judge and he says people should not get credit for doing their jobs. Part of his job is recognize his community, the people he serves and the reality. You shouldnt give him so much credit. Just because you make a speech doesnt change whats actually happening in those communities. That needs to be implemented. Okay. So speaking of implemented and solutions, i want to play sound of one of the solutions comey proposed in his speech and get you to respond. Let me be transparent about my affection for cops. When you dial 911, whether you are white or black, the cops come. And they come quickly. And they come quickly, whether they are white or black. Thats what cops do. So that was we were really looking for sound of my brothers keeper. He says in his speech and i want to get you to respond. The truth what really needs fixing is something only a few like president obama are willing to speak about through the my brothers Keeper Initiative the president is addressing the disproportionate challenges faced by young men of color. Does this make sense in a speech about the tensions between Law Enforcement and the communities they serve . Well i believe personally that my brothers keeper is a my myopian scope. Youre taking all of these and applying it to all the community. Black and brown girls are also killed. So i think it doesnt reach far enough. Im afraid were going to get really excited about embracing this respectability politics. You can come from a good home have a good job, be educated and still be ashlracially profiled by the police. We saw this with henry louis gates. Comey concluded with the need for more data. Is the policy solution he proposed proergsportionate to the problems he laid out . The fbi has significant and sway. I think his comments were substantive as far as implementing some measures to really proactively engage and shift into focus of policing in the country. Lets be clear about something. Many activists, many individuals around the country have been screaming for criminal justice reform. What director comey did and before him attorney general eric holder and even president obama did was laid out a platform for not just reform but actual criminal justice reconstruction which goes much further. And i think if there is a clear clear evidence that there is a need for not just reform but reconstruction based on the comments by comey and the realities faced by so many people across the nation. So we earlier played video of a 911 call. Not video of the call but of comey saying hey, when people call 911 the cops come. But if you and thats good if you live in a high crime neighborhood. Were happy to see police. As weve seen with the case of mr. Patel in alabama, a 911 call does not end well for people of color. What should we make of that statement from the fbi director . Well im glad you pointed that out because just last week i was sending time with the family of Kenneth Chamberlin who was a retired military person whose 911 was called when his alert went off, medical alert went off and he ended up being shot and killed by the police up in westchester, new york. This is just one story and the stories go on and on and aon. And the thing that i was listening to when i heard the fbi directors speech some of it was what he was talking about but one thing missing to me which is what is going to be the policy around accountability and justice . We can keep doing a lot of training and get data to analyze the problem and put in place policies that will shift things moving forward, but right now aky girly, his family got will they get justice. I think the fifth hard piece is how are we going to hold Police Officers accountable. He talked about there is no more epidemic of racial bias in Police Officers than there are with academics and artists. None of my College Professors carried firearms so i think this is a critical imperative piece here that accountability and justice also be put in place. Marquez, i want to get you back in here quickly. The fbi has had a hard time attracting black agents and has actually seen a decline from 5. 6 in 1997 to 4. 7 in 2012 in terms of africanamerican special agents and the director himself said its difficult luring potential candidates away from the private sector to work for government. Thoughts on those numbers. Listen there are agencies across the nation who claim to have the same difficulty attracting minority or black employees, and in fact what we have to examine is whether there is an actual will to attract those employees, black into Law Enforcement. Lets be clear about something. It will not necessarily change the dynamic were facing throughout the nation is not the complexion of the force but the climate within the force, the rules, the regulations, the culture that is within the p particular agency. So merely changing the complexion will not have Significant Impact if the rules or the application of the rules remain the same. So we should place less emphasis, although i support increasing representation and diversifying whatever Law Enforcement were talking about we have to be honest about it and say until we change the climate, until we once again reconstruct the criminal justice system, well face the same issues and the same problems with different complected people. Thank you to Marquez Claxton in columbia South Carolina. Up next more details are beginning to emerge about the officer indicted in the shooting death of gurley. Welcome to the most social car weve ever designed. The allnew nissan murano. Nissan. Innovation that excites. 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As they were trained to do in the police academy. That was brooklyn District Attorney ken thompson on the evidence he presented to a grand jury that on wednesday, he handed up a sixcount indictment against an officer for the shooting death of 28yearold akai gurley in the stairwell of a brooklyn Housing Project last november. Seema, i want to come to you first because weve seen the recent decisions from juries not to indict in the shootings of eric garner and michael brown, the reluctance of these grand juries to indict Police Officers. What was different in this case . He didnt testify. I think that was a very compelling factor. And full disclosure i actually represent akai gurleys brother, completely up related matter. But i think because he didnt testify, there was no alternative explanation. I understand his attorneys decision not to. His hand was on the gun. His finger pulled the trigger. And since the 1990s they have changed the guns pressure so you need more pressure to pull the trigger and all of these factors contributed to him not testify. I think if he testified he may not have been indicted for manslaughter but still indicted for the criminally negligent homicide. Cherrill given the lack of indictments in previous shooting cases, does this moment feel like justice in any way . It doesnt, because we know that indictments dont equate for justice. We saw this several people. Unfortunately the bar is set so low and convictions seem so farfetched that indictments feel like some sort of justice. We know that thats not the case. Out of nearly 180 nypdrelated shootings, i think four of those came to an indictment one conviction and no served time. So if history is to believe, i dont think justice will be served in this case either. Monetha, i want to play more sound from d. A. Thompson. Lets take a listen. The Police Commissioner said its discretionary for an officer to pull out his gun while on patrol based on the circumstances. What the evidence showed is that this Police Officer put his finger on the trigger of his gun and fired that gun into a darkened stairwell when there was no threat. Darkened stairwells in Housing Projects have led to other unarmed teenagers as well as Police Officers being killed during these vertical patrols, as they called them. Im wondering in addition to these practices is there a need to visit Public Housing policies around safety and lighting in these developments. Yeah, all those issues need to be addressed but still at the end of the day when the Police Officer is patrolling this Housing Project, it is to protect and serve all of the residents of that project. How can you possibly protect the residents of a building if youre walking up and down in the staircase with your hand on the trigger . You actually have every man, woman, child grand parent in danger in that Housing Project. So it really calls to question what you know what the ultimate goal is of the way that the Housing Projects are being policed. And i think that the other piece, i wanted to go back to the indictment briefly, is that ken thompson wanted an indictment. And i think that when we look back at the transcript from the grand jury proceedings in ferguson, in st. Louis county its clear that the prosecutor may or may not have wanted an indictment. Absolutely. As many of us who have sat and served on grand juries indictments are not something that are far and few between, only when youre talking about Police Officers. So ken thompson wanted an indictment and i think thats why we got it. Seema, i saw you chomping at the bit. I was just agreeing with everything shes saying but i also want to point out, i do go to East New York a lot and i have been to the pink houses and it is so unbelievably dangerous and scary, one of the worst areas. It is almost barren and it is so its like a war zone. And i think thats a great point that you brought up the lighting, because i go to different projects where there are lit stairwells at night during the day so i think thats a great point. So this is point. So salt which is a south asian sad voe casey group has listed a response to the police in response to the violence against mr. Patel and disclose Current Training procedures to communicating with limited English Proficient people nft community. Implement trainings for all Police Officers to more effectively respond to immigrants and lep individuals. How do police communicate with the communities they serve . Ink auto think thats whats interesting about this case in alabama is still at the heart of it is antiblackness. The person described mr. Patel as a skinny black man. The officer came under the premise that this was a black man that he was apprehending. Of course not being able to communicate played a role in that. I think thats really important that we think about how we train police to interact with communities they cant communicate with effectively. Really quickly on the patrol issue, vertical patrolling its akin to broken windows policing. I think that if the city is worried about the crime or violence that may occur due to subpar conditions, then maybe we should address those conditions rather than criminalizing the people that live in these conditions. Julian i wanted to get you in but weve got to go. Seema is sticking around. Before we take a break, Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader ginsburg weighed in on the issue of race during a oneonone interview with an msnbc reporter. Here is some of their conversation. Im wondering how you see the current state of Race Relations in our country. 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Im going to ask kevin to stop here for a minute. Im going to get out. I just want to show you this street. This is marlboro street. Just to give you a accepts of what these are like these are not just snow mounds these are actual cars that are covered here. Again, like i told you, we had maybe 80 inches from three weeks of snowstorms. Now on top of it 12 inches. These cars are basically bury had e. And who knows how long it will take to get all these cars out. The governor said he wants people to stay at home stay safe and stay out of this. It is beautiful but the roads are very slippery and its best if you stay home until all this shoveling can be done the plows come through and clear this out. Thank you, adam. Thanks for that action and showing us all about the snow in boston. Next, jailed for weeks for failure to pay minor fines. The new lawsuits against two cities in missouri accused of profiting off of poverty. That would be my daughter hi dad. Shes a dietitian. 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When ferguson erupted following the shooting death of michael brown, protesters pointed to the court system as one cause of their anger. And in reading about this new lawsuit, its not difficult to see why. Samantha jenkins, who is the lead plaintiff in this suit against jennings said she was put on a payment plan when she could not afford to pay her traffic tickets. When she missed one of those payments, she was promptly put in jail. Her lawsuit says jenkins along with others in the suit were held indefinitely and not provided with attorneys. It goes on to say that police and jail officials arbitraryily changed the amoundt of fines owed. The conditions of the jails themselves were awful. Fergusons mayor denied the charges saying in part we believe this lawsuit is disturbing because it contains allegations that are not based on objective facts. There has been no response from the city of jennings. Samantha jenkins joins me from st. Louis, missouri along with her lawyer Michael John Voss of art city defenders. Good morning to you both. Good morning, dorian. Good morning. Mr. Voss can you give us a bit more detail on what your clients are alleging happened to them and how did traffic tickets lead to jail time . Yes. So our organization, art city defenders, is a Nonprofit Law Firm in st. Louis. Were working with equal justice under law in the st. Louis University Law clinics in the suit. What were alleging basically is that these municipalities are incarcerating individuals because of their inability to pay off debt owed to the city from these unpaid traffic tickets and outstanding fines. Our suit is alleging its something thats occurring throughout the nation actually whether in montgomery, alabama, or georgia or washington state. There is a practice and pattern of incarcerating poor people and particularly people in communities of color because of outstanding debt that they owe to those municipalities. The thats what were alleging in our suit. Go ahead. Clearly, this disproportionately affects those who can least afford it it creates a cycle of poverty. Thats correct. So among other things its partly a cycle of poverty, but its also about the description in this suit of the conditions in the jails. Among other things the cells were overcrowded, prisoners didnt receive regular showers or even tooth brushes. They were forced to sleep in filthy conditions. Miss jenkins, what was the jail like when you were there . Jennings jail was very horrible to me. It was overcrowded. They have the womens cell has eight it bed eight womens, but a lot of times, like the last time i was there at jennings, it holds eight women but we had like 15 or 16. So therefore, they had like seven to eight women on the floor with their mats. They run out of spots on the floor to lay their mats. We have two tables in the womens cell that we eat our breakfast, lunch and dinner on and the women at night have to put their mat on top of the tables that they eat on they sleep on and we get up in the morning and have to eat at the same table. In the middle of the night while youre trying to go to the restroom, you have to step over eight, nine bodies to make it to the restroom. We wasnt allowed toothbrush and toothpaste. The last time i stayed in jennings, i stayed there approximately over two weeks and i never had a toothbrush or toothpaste to brush my teeth with. We was allowed to take showers, but the showers was very disgusting. You have paint peelings all on the floor. We have no shower curtain. At the time that we take showers, the men cos were allowed to come back. The only coverup was the sheet to our bed. We was only able to have one blanket, thin blanket and its freezing cold in jennings. If we asked for an extra blanket, we wasnt allowed. If we got an extra blanket from a prisoner that was leaving, they would take it away from us. Mr. Voss i want to ask you especially about the fact that cities like ferguson are making a lot of money from this practice. Ferguson collected 2. 6 million in court fines and fees last year making it the citys second biggest source of income. Tell us quickly why this is so problematic. Well its about a distrust between the community and its government. If we go back to the events of august 9th and the kind of questions as to why there was so much outrage about the shooting death of michael brown, what you have in place is a pattern and practice where low income individuals and the residents in the community of color there were being basically harassed with lowlevel traffic violations by the police and then being incarcerated because of their inability to pay. That pattern and practice has gone on upwards of 40 to 50 years. Therefore, the community itself had such a distrust from the city when the city was telling them just to be calm and wait were going to do an investigation. There was definitely that trust that you would expect to be there had been eroded so therefore you have this huge die many na dynamic that has manifested just from the numbers. The 2. 6 million, second largest source of income for that municipality. Ferguson has a population of 21,000 people but has 33,000 outstanding arrest warrants. Thats 3. 6 arrest warrants outstanding in the city of ferguson. Jennings has 2. 1 outstanding arrest warrants for people in the city of jennings. So what you have is a disparity there, a very clear disparity thats impacting predominantly minorities and people of color. Mr. Voss unfortunately were out of time but i want to thank you and Samantha Jenkins very much for joining us from from st. Louis, missouri this morning. Here in new york thank you to seema iyer. Dont miss seemas show live at tuesdays at 11 00 a. M. Eastern and also dont miss nerding out at 11 00 a. M. Up next the Little League strimd of its national title. Why there may be more to the story. Mething that small make an impact on something as big as your retirement . I dont think so. Well if you start putting that towards your retirement every week and let it grow over time, for twenty to thirty years that retirement challenge might not seem so big after all. I make a lot of purchases for my business. And i get a lot in return with ink plus from chase. Like 60,000 bonus points when i spent 5,000 in the first 3 months after i opened my account. And i earn 5 times the rewards on internet, phone services and at Office Supply stores. With ink plus i can choose how to redeem my points. Travel, gift cards even cash back. And my rewards points wont expire. So you can make owning a business even more rewarding. Ink from chase. So you can. Curling up in bed with a Favorite Book is nice. 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As long as people drive cars carmax will be the best way to buy them. At kraft we start with eggs oil, and our own crafted vinegar. All expertly blended to make our mayo. So you can take whatever youre making from good to amazing. Get inspired at kraftrecipes. Com last summer i was filled with Hometown Pride when Jackie Robinson west became the first all africanamerican team to win the national championship. Baseball has struggled to attract africanamerican players and fans so the jrw team gained national attention. Praise for their sportsmanship, they were even invited to the white house by president obama. But now the story has taken a very disappointing turn. Following an investigation, Little League international has stripped the players of Jackie Robinson west of their title and all their wins. The reason coaches allegedly falsified boundary maps and recruited players outside their district. It may seem a straightforward if depressing story, another case of the adults ruining it for the kids. But according to my next guest, theres much more to the story. Dave ziron joins me now from washington. Dave, what can you tell me about how gentrification factors in here . Well gentrification is the reality for our cities around the country. And baseball does not go well with gentrification because before gentrification you have disinvestment. And thats been the story of the south side of chicago. You have dilapidated fields you have parents on the team who are subject to eviction subject to displacement, and even one of the kids on the team dealt with home its homelessness. So the idea of talking about boundaries when youre talking about an urban team is almost a grotesque team compared to the typical teams in Little League international which come from suburban backgrounds. What defines the suburbs . Land, baseball diamonds space, infrastructure, boys and girls clubs, places so kids can actually learn baseball. The reason why baseball is dying in urban areas is precisely because of disinvestment and gentrification. Thats what made Jackie Robinson west such a remarkable story, and theyre paying for the fact that the boundaries of urban baseball are just frankly, more fungible than suburban baseball. This whole thing is a catastrophe to me. So talk to us about what you think would lead to coaches recruiting outside their district and specifically is this something thats widespread in Little League sports . Well its so interesting. First, lets start with that last one. The people who basically, quote unquote, turned Jackie Robinson west in was from nearby Evergreen Park which is a suburban district. Majority white, if im not mistaken. Very white and actually its very disturbing because in ever green park thats a place where if you live on the south side of chicago, its known as a center of racial profiling, harassment by police et cetera. Evergreen park played Jackie Robinson west. Guess what the final score was . It was Something Like 423. So Evergreen Park which has, by the way, also been accused of recruiting out of boundary ironically people have come forward in the last week and said theyre the ones who were caught being down drivers licenses of cars and they record it to Little League international. Its League International should have figured this out before the words even started, not waited six months to then take it away from these kids. Remember, these are children that were talking about. And once again, i have to say this. The idea of this team being investigated so thoroughly by Little League international when teams go through this whole process and never get investigated with the same kind of scrutiny i mean it smacks of a double standard and it smacks of Little League international frankly wanting to have their cake and eat it too, which means that they will celebrate and even monetize the fact that you have this historic allblack team winning the Little League world series but then theyll also give them that extra dollop of scrutiny that other teams are not subject to. Dave you mentioned the kids and the players. I want to ask you, how have the players reacted to having their title taken away . Actually i was on the radio this morning with the mother of one of the children and she spoke about it at length. I mean theres a lot of support in the community saying you guys are still the champions, but you also have a lot of crying kids. You have a lot and everyone its so disgusting as you hear all these people saying on social media, whatever let these kids learn the lesson that cheaters dont prosper. Theyre actually learning a very different lesson. Theyre learning we can be the best on the field but its actually an unlevel Playing Field because we can succeed, but guess what the team from nevada that we beat actually now theyre the new champions. I read this report that the team from nevada they heard that they were granted the title and a lot of the kids and parents were celebrating like yay, were the real champs. What kind of lesson does that teach . That if you lose to an allblack team from the south side of chicago, dont worry because big Little League international will step in and make it all right for you six months later. Thank you very much to dave ziron in washington, d. C. Up next, imagine digging into your Family History to learn youre related to music royalty. 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The jazz musicians iconic voice touched millions including a woman named Caroline Clark who had a special connection. She didnt seek information about her birth parents until she started a family of her own. She wanted more information about her familys medical history and Nat King Cole. Since meeting her birth family she wrote a memoir postcards from cookie describes her reunion with her birth mother carol cookie cole. It goes through her experience and befriending her long lost relatives. Caroline clark joins me now. Thank you so much. Thank you. And i was just as i was saying in the break, i was captivated reading your book. I want you to tell us how you happen to discover your biological parents at age 37. It was a series of just completely unforeseen unexpected things. I went looking for medical information, it was the only thing i knew i was entitled to and you go the first question about your medical history and it gets to be frustrating not having that answer. The social worker said would you like a social history as well . And i thought, whats there to know . I knew little about my birth family but anything is worth finding out. She had a sevenpage report and began reading it and she described my birth mother fizz he canally which i never known what she looked like and detailed we had both been english majors in college. But the big things that stood out was that she painted a picture of the family of the time i was born. They was clearly very wealthy. There were five children and it was a unique setup. My birth mother was 20 years older than twin sisters. I knew one of those sisters and so you just happen to know one of them . It turns out her younger sister was a dear friend of mine since college. Because i knew the family i met everyone except my birth mother. And because i knew them i just recognized them without any names or gee og fee, it stood out. Let me ask you this your adoptive parents were receptive to reaching out to cookie. How did that help you in this process . It was absolutely key. I dont think i always felt i was very lucky and where i was supposed to be. My mother who raised me could not bear children. The only way they were going to have children was to adopt. It wasnt i wasnt curious, every adoptee was curious but i was really happy and felt lucky. An added sense of appreciation because i knew i could have had something very different. If my parents hadnt been receptive, encouraging even i dont even know that i would have that i would have taken it farther. Although, i have to say, the revelation that i had this connection, that i had a friend who turned out was my aunt to not go ahead and make that call would have taken incredible restraint that im not sure i would have had. What is the process of meeting your birth family taught you about the adoption process over all . How do you think cultural perceptions of adoption have changed over the years . Its interesting because obviously there are many ways to create a family now that didnt exist when i was born. And adoption although its been around forever, i think there is this sort of lingering stigma attached to it. And today when you have fertility treatments and so many alternatives to create a family you know adoption can kind of get last place in that. And that is something that bothers me. On obviously, it was the thing to happen to me. With the joy and wonder of meeting cookie and everything having this family added to my life none of that would have happened. If i didnt have the life i already had. And adoption gets a tough rap. We only hear about it when it goes very wrong, which is actually very rare given the frequency. So there have to be more good stories out there. I have so many questions for you but were out of time. But i encourage everybody to raid the book Caroline Clark, thank you so very much for joining us. Check out her book. 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