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for the 289 people on board continues. good morning, i'm jonathan capehart sitting in for melissa harris-perry. today new development in the search for flight 370, a chinese satellite has spotted a large floating object in the indian ocean that has been the focus of a multi-national search for the plane. malaysian transportation minister made the announcement shortly after he received the news from the chinese this morning. >> the news that i just received is that the chinese ambassador received satellite image of floating objects in the southern corridor, and they will be sending ships to verify. >> the object discovered by the satellite measures about 74 feet by 43 feet. it was found along one of the two possible routes believed by investigators to be the flight path taken by flight 370. news of this latest discovery comes just two days after australian officials announced that a different satellite spotted two other objects that they called their most credible lead in the investigation into the plane's disappearance. those satellite images announced on thursday by australia's prime minister tony abbott shows two whitish colored objects, one measuring 79 feet and another 16 feet floating in the ocean about 1400 miles southwest of the city of perth in australia. australian officials said they had no luck in finding the objects. joining me from washington, d.c. with the latest on the ongoing search for malaysian flight 370 is nbc news correspondent kerry sanders. >> jonathan, first let's go back and take a look at that image released by state-run television in china. as we look at that picture, we need to note that this image is four days old. the question would be, why does it take so long? they're looking at so many images just the way, as we take a look at these images. these were the images released by the australian minister, prime minister. it's that it takes a long time to go through the analysis of what they're looking at because these are narrow images that start out much larger. and as you noted, this one here specifically falls into the same general size as the one that the chinese have released in their picture. what we're looking at, of course, is an area down here southwest of perth. it's about 1500 miles from perth, so the aircraft that are traveling out there, especially the propeller aircraft, take about four hours. they travel slower. the military uses the term on station, which means over the area. they're on station for about two hours before they have to return. if we get a little closer here and take a look at the area where the australian pictures showed potential debris, this about 79 miles to the southwest of where the australians found their debris is where it apsz the chinese have found their debris. unfortunately, the australian military has now returned. it's nighttime there. all their flights are back. they have six aircraft. they have two commercial as well as four military aircraft. most of them relying on eyes on. they're flying at a very low altitude with spotters looking out the window. they have seen nothing that is promising. there is one piece of what turned out to be a piece of floating wood pallet. the new zealand military flew to that area with an electronic equipment that radar pictures can take a picture of. they confirmed that it was a piece of wood and not the debris that the chinese believed they have seen. and so as we continue to watch what the military is looking for, the goal is to try to ultimate find debris that will then take them back to find this. this is what's known as the black box. obviously, you can see it's orange. it's right here, jonathan, that is the pinger. it will last for about 30 days, maybe longer from the day the plane went down. we're looking at a possibility of another 20 or so days if we're lucky of this thing pi pinging. one potential problem, when it goes down and the item is in the water, if the debris settled like this, and this is buried in the sand, potentially you're not going to hear it that way because it's emitting a signal down. so, the hope is that if they ever find the debris that then leads them to the site where this may have gone down, that this rested like this, like this, like this. but certainly not like that, jonathan. >> a lot of information from you. nbc news kerry sanders in washington, thanks. let's go to kuala lumpur in malaysia we're kier simmons is and how the family is responding to developments in this story. >> reporter: good morning. the transportation minister here pledging at a news conference they will do everything they can to make sure that relatives with loved ones on flight 370 are informed after just those angry, furious scenes at meetings have relatives demanding answers and feeling as if they're not really being communicated with effect tyly. we do hear the airline is making some insurance payments. that is part of the regulations when a flight disappears for this long. but it is a grim reminder that flight 370 has now been missing for more than two weeks. jonathan? >> thank you, keir simmons in kuala lumpur. joining me is former nbc news aviation correspondent, and have i to say legend, bob hager. thank you for being here. >> nice to be here. >> what do you make of the latest satellite image? >> in a case where we haven't had many breaks at all but it's a straw that might turn out. who knows. number one, i'm intrigued by the fact it's not that many miles from where the other satellite photo is so it could be the same feet that's floated another 80 or 100 miles away from four days earlier when the other satellite picture. the dimension, 75 feet long, about matches the wing of a 777. yeah this might turn out to be other kinds of debris. don't want to raise hopes for the investigators but it could be a wing. a wing doesn't tell you that much about the investigation, about solving this, but at least gets you in the area where you may look for more important stuff. >> do they add to maybe our understanding of what may have happened to flight 370? >> no, the wing wouldn't. one thing you could check, is there any charring in case there was a fire. you might look on it for that. the way a plane hit if a plane ran out of fuel, as they believe this one did, because this is about the end of the fuel supply, the way the plane hits and spins down and one engine runs out of fuel before the other so it hits wing-down and could snap off a wing. it doesn't tell you anything poornt. have you to trace it it back, figure out where the main wreckage is, hopefully get the black boxes. that would be a major breakthrough. >> if the search goes past 30 days, and that's the life of the black box, the pinger on the black box, how will the loss of the daylight that that's on there affect the investigation? >> oh, drastically. i mean, you really need those black boxes. but there is a little hope on the pinger, that even though 30 days is a specifications, they've been known to go 15, maybe even a little more days than that, so you have a little extra time in there. but still in the scope of that investigation in that ocean, that's not a lot of time. >> talk briefly about the type of information that's on the black box that's so vital. >> well, the main thing, first, the cockpit voice recorder picks up two recorders. it picks up the private conversations in the cockpit. something came down in the cockpit, pilot does the co-pilot in, vice versa, that would be on the recorder, unless they disabled it ahead of time. the flight recorder, we have these vague radar blips. we don't know if this plane -- where it went and did it go to extreme altitudes and drop down. that would all be on the flight data recorder. you might very well be able to figure out what went on, even if you didn't have the voices from the flight data roerd. >> bob hager, thank you. >> thank you. >> we'll have more on this story, particularly the people involved later in the program. first, we turn our attention to the still growing tension between united states and russia. the rhetoric is heating up, even as diplomatic relations keep getting icier. o go. let's talk asset allocation. sure. you seem knowledgeable, professional. i'm actually a dj. 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>> well, they could. it really depends on how broad they become but if they are on just these individuals, it's unlikely. but we saw some trouble yesterday with the largest bank in russia and visa and mastercard were not honoring their credit cards. thing things can whittle away but it will take larger set of sanctions and a bigger commitment from a broader set of people and institutions for them to work. >> how far can these sanctions be raechted up? we talk about the ping pong back and forth but does the administration and european union have a whole host of other th things they could do? >> i think so. it depends on how far putin goes but a number of things they can do both individually and in tandem. let me list a few of them. ukraine has $30 or $40 billion in debt to russia. can declare an odious debt. it can basically cancel all debt service and claims to repay russia because of the losses in crimea. if european institutions support that claim, that means ukraine can continue borrowing in international markets and substantially relieve its debt burdan. cypress is a playing a lot of soviet oligarchs hid their money. it's now called the place where russian government hides their money from the russian government. it's an eu member and the eu can search there. and sort of the final daisht final thing is that there are other sanctions against specific banks that are being considered. and it's really the financial sanctions and the financial transactionses that are the biggest card the west has to play. >> we don't want an all-out trade war. i think that's where restraint is being exercised. nobody wants that. my dissertation jonathan is talking about is talking about the fact that over 100-year period russia didn't develop a banking system. it didn't need to. france, the uk and germany provided it. and this is what is happening now. they just outsourced this banking function. that's where it's going. the banking can -- >> one brief point -- >> i'm sucking the point is to deter putin. and to have in your quiver a lot of options that he and the rich shan establishment are aware of. not to deploy it but a range of options depending on what he does? >> it's interesting the point is to deter putin. another possible point is to convince the oligarchs to turn against him. don't see any level of these sanctions accomplishing that. it's annoying to have a travel ban but the immediate report suggests the oligarchs have doubled down on their support for putin. the level of sanctions that might have teeth. you're looking at gas and oil. the eu has no appetite to go there. 30% of germany's energy comes from russia. so, it's just -- to me, this is largely ka bui largely ka buick largely ka buiabuki theater, bu terms of effecting the levers in rush shashgs the optio-- russia limited. >> there's two-fold with these purposes. for domestic audience to show president obama is taking a stance. second is to support the allies in the region, specifically poland and baltic region. i'll tell you no more sanctions will be ratcheted up and if they are it will be on individuals as opposed to large scale. the united states can't afford to push russia too far away because they are holding two key strategic cards in iran and syria right now. one russia supported us with nonnuclear iran and they could easily reverse that and it changes the whole thing. crimea and ukraine, we'll see that crimea will be just given away. ukraine will turn to the west. and i think it will end up being a stronger ukraine because of it. just a sacrifice of the crimea. >> less than 30 seconds left. i have to ask you about the russian stock market. it fell 2.1% yesterday and more than 10% this month. how bad could things get? 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>> sure. nato in its inception, it was supposed to be the counter to the soviet juggernaut. you can just look at any map and see how big it is and massive amounts of resources and men and material that can be put in play. and the big thing people have to understand is when when the soviet union collapsed so did nato because nato was never, ever intended to confront the soviet union or any type of russian incursion as a conventional force. the old trope is 5,000 soviet tanks to 50,000 of nato tanks. really it was about the employment of tactical nuclear weapons. once the soviet union collapsed, the tactical nuclear weapons are off the table so now they can never confront ro a conventional level any move by russia. >> should we be concerned about a nato versus russia showdown? >> no. what you see is political and diplomatic posturing. the language used of fear by vice president is dangerous because it pokes the bear and could lead to escalation. want full out hot war but arms race with the anti-ballistic missile defense. >> let's see what susan rice said yesterday. >> we've been taking note of development as long ukraine's border, including the russian border. the russians have stated that they have -- are intending military exercisxercises. given their past practice and the gap between what they have said and what they have done, we are watching it with skepticism. >> the u.s. has been really careful about how it -- how it approaches russia in all of this. why is that? >> well, there's two -- two reasons. one is that because of the -- of president obama's stance with taking away ground forces and trying to cut back on that and hyping up and the naval campaign, this type of engagement just -- we couldn't handle it right now. two, is that russia in a world spectrum, they have -- they have two strategic punk cards. they have syria and iran. they have been a strong supporter of us in iran in a nonnuclear iran. very easily they could switch and share more technology and then create a very tidal line between iran, russia and solidify it with china and not only create an economic bloc because you can imagine economic areas they hold sway over. >> as i mentioned in the intro, you crane is not a member of nato but could nato be recognize -- could nato recognize ukraine as a member state. if so, how long would that take? >> my estimate would be decades long. it would be decades. one, it has to transition into the eu. the eu has strict standards of governance how member nations have to maintain governance. once they clear that up, they can then go into eu, perform as a member state and then possibly with nato, move into nato. this is decades in the future. mainly again because they don't want to push russia too far. and i think the u.s. is sort of holding back ukraine and a lot of the rhetoric, with the exception of individuals like what vice president joe biden said. >> thank you, earl. lisa will be back with us. the latest breaking news on the search for malaysian air flight 370. this morning officials in malaysia said a chinese satellite spotted a large object about 74 feet long and 43 feet wide floating in the indian ocean. this image was released by china state television but has not been verified by nbc news. the object is nearly 80 miles away from where another satellite image captured two floating objects. military planes and ships have been searching the area of that discovery for three days, but so far it has been no sign of the flight that vanished 15 days ago carrying 239 people on board. first lady michelle obama who is visiting china, addressed the plane mystery in a speech today to students. >> as my husband has said, the united states is offering as many resources as possible to assist in the search. and please know that we are keeping all of the families and loved ones of those on this flight in our thoughts and in our prayers at this very difficult time. >> we'll have more on the plane mystery throughout the show. how much money do you think you'll need when you retire? 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according to sports labor attorney jeffrey kessler and a group of former college athletes, not enough. kessler filed a class-action lawsuits against the ncaa and five richest conferences alleged they have unlawfully capped player compensation at the value of athletic scholarship. joining me is sports editor at "the nation," dave, thanks for being here. the ncaa has created two economic systems side by side. there is the indentured servitude of college athletes and anything goes of a seven figured college coach. it's a house divided and these have a tendency to not stand. could this be the lawsuit that brings down the ncaa's house, so to speak? >> well, jonathan i'm not a lawyer nor do i play one on tv. i can tell you this. this is the first time in six decades of settled law we could see the ncaa system of indentured servitude meaningfully challenged. that phrase, student athlete, it's a legal designation created by the ncaa in the 1950s to deny the wid doef a football player named ray denison who died on the field of play, she sued the ncaa to say my husband just died on a football field and their response was, we have no responsibility because he's not a working. he's a student athlete. it would take a judge saying, well, wait a minute, the system is so fundamentally different now compared to the 1950s that we need to revisit this settled law. it is very different. back then the top paid college coaches made $10,000 a year. today mike k., makes $7 million a year. >> you've said on this program the ncaa is a cartel. >> yes. >> this lawsuits says it, too. what could this accomplish? >> it could crack the cartel. one of the things about the lawsuit that's particularly interesting and provocative is that it seeks an injunction against the ncaa for interfering between the relationship between colleges and conferences and teams that choose to organize themselves and ask for some form of either compensation or guaranteed scholarships or guaranteed health care if they get hurt on the field. now, this is so interesting because it connects to northwestern university football players who organize themselves into a union filed with the national labor relations board. the reason northwestern university is saying we're reticent to actually negotiate with the players is because they're worried about the ncaa intervening and then shutting them out of all the conferences and money and whatnot. >> this is a labor issue, players as voluntary labor. how much of the pie do you think collegiate athletes deserve? >> there was a terrific article in the atlantic that tried to work this out economically relative to how much money is put into the different programs through these revenue-producing sports, particularly basketball and football. i'll tell you, the top players in the ncaa, their value to a school is anywhere between $700,000 and $2 million a year in terms of what they actually bring in. now, the bigger question is what are they getting right now. and i think viewers really need to understand that these scholarships they get, because that's what everybody always says, these big money scholarships, hundreds of thousands of dollars, they're only one-year scholarships and renewed on an natural basis at the pleasure of the athletic department. and given the level of travel players have to go through, the actual value of the education is, frankly, negligible at best. >> the only athletes in sports making big money, football, basketball, gets a share in the bonanza? 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[ male announcer ] whatever the reason. whatever the dish. make it delicious with swanson. welcome back. i'm jonathan capehart in for melissa harris-perry. this morning we have new information in the malaysian flight 370. >> the news i just received is that the chinese received satellite image of floating objects in the southern corri r corridor. they will be sending ships to verify. >> the object measures about 74 feet by 43 feet and the chinese are sending chips ships to the area to verify it today. this latest discovery comes after an australian investigator said earlier today they had still found nothing at the end of a third day of searching for two different objects spotted in the region by an australian satellite earlier this week. for the families of the 239 passengers who boarded flight 370 on march 8th, each of these developments brings yet another hope preside hope. >> we are here waiting for you, 40 days. we want to know what happened. what the reality is. >> on wednesday some of those relatives disrupted a media gathering in kuala lumpur where they accused the malaysian government of concealing the truth. yesterday malaysia's acting transport minister talked about the inability to provide the single most important piece of information to the families of the passengers. >> it's very, very difficult because the one question they really want to know is the answer we do not have, which is where are their loved ones and where is the airplane. >> until there's a definitive answer to that question, the family and friends of those 239 people are left wondering and waiting for information about their fate. on thursday the mother of phillip wood, one of three american passengers on the plane, expressed that uncertainty when she heard the news of the australian satellite discovery. >> we're hopeful. we remain hopeful. of course, you know, this is another new twist i want to know. one way or the other, i want to know. >> in a few moments i'll talk with my guests as they await news of their loved ones. joining me is kerry sanders. kerry, what's the lateest? >> let's take a look, first of all, of the picture the chinese have released. this is from state-run television. when you look look at this picture taken from a satellite, it shows something floating in the water. the indication is it's about 74 feet by 42 feet. it's a rather sizeable piece of something that's out there. it could be something from the airplane. it could also be garbage. now, take a look at this picture here. this is a satellite photograph taken and released by the australian government. again, we see two pieces of potential pieces of debris that may have come from this wreckage, if indeed it is in the southern ocean here, the southern indian ocean. these pieces, one is 79 feet. the other is 16 feet. let me just take you to the location we're talking about. this is it, southwest of perth, australia. in perth not only have australian aircraft out searching, six different aircraft have returned but also two aircraft from china have continued. the area they're searching is about 1500 miles. it's an area about 22,000 square miles, but interesting to note as we get a closer view here that the area where they found the debris, or they think they found some debris from the australian photographs is here. the chinese photographs are here. southwest about 79 miles away. is it the same piece of debris? is it even debris from this aircraft? nobody knows. right now much of the effort is not based on electronics but rather on aircraft with volunteers and others who are on board literally looking out the window with eyes on, trying to see if they can spot a piece of debris. there are ships in the area, not only military ships but civilian ships and chinese are sending more ships there, so if somebody sees something that looks like it is debris, those ships can get a little closer. they did spot something in the daylight hours off australia today. it turned out to be a wooden pallet in another area where it was nothing more than sea weed. certainly a lot of efforts and eyes on to see if they can find anything that leads them to flight 370. >> nbc's kerry sanders in washington, d.c., thanks. joining me from perth, australia, is ian william. what happens next in this investigation? the search effort gets beefed up. we're seeing planes from china and japan join the search and more ships in the area. a warship from the australian navy and two japanese ships joining the search. we're going to see the efforts stepped up. certainly that information, that satellite information from china will be one of the first things they look to check out. they did say today the locations of that piece of debris is in an area where they have been searching saturday. so, it's not in an area outside their search area but smack in the middle. as kerry said, there were reports of a pallet in the water and other small debris which was seen by civil aircraft which is part of the search. more sophisticated military aircraft then went into that area to check it out. all they found was seaweed. they are going back tomorrow to take another look. they have tasked one of those ships and pick up what was in the water. today they benefitted from pretty good weather, calm seas. there's warning of storms on the way, a tropical cyclone. things will get much choppier as this effort gets stepped up. encouraging development with the chinese satellite image but certainly people here on the ground are being very cautious before reading too much into it, jonathan. >> nbc news correspondent ian williams in perth, australia. thank you for that report. joining me from washington, d.c., michael goldfarb, president of mga aviation consulting. thank you for being here. >> thank you. >> what do you make of the latest satellite image, the size and its location? >> i mean, we're really grasping as straws here. we have no idea if it is debris. it seems to logically follow the plotting the ntsb did if it ran out of fuel in that particular area and off the other satellite image. have i to tell you, the worst ocean currents in the world, the weather, the resources we're putting against it just aren't sufficient to really find this. we may not find anything in this search and that adds to the tragedy of the tragedy. >> we still don't know. can you help us understand the urgency around the battery life of the black box? >> this investigation is quite frankly how not to conduct an investigation. i know we're beating up the malaysians but we lost so much critical information in the first couple days. had we had robust reporter in the cockpit we would know more precisely where in the ocean to look at. we're not even there yet. you notice the low-tech way. we have low-tech human search of the area. we're not even at a point to think about the black boxes. we want a piece of debris. one piece of debris, if it is that big, it could be a wing of a 777. it could be floating because it has compressed air inside. that would tell us a lot. but without forensic evidence we're back to square one on this investigation. >> there's several theories about what happened to the plane. but this one by a 20-year-old pilot. he says the loss of transponders and communication makes perfect sense in a fire. and there was most likely an electrical fire. it was probably a serious event and the flight crew was occupied with controlling the plane and trying to fight the fire. what i think happened is the flight crew was overcome by smoke and the plane continues on the heading probably on autopilot until it ran out of fuel or the fire destroyed the control surfaces and it crashed. >> yeah, i mean, you know, it's interesting. we're speculating on speculation here. invariably we're wrong, jonathan, because each craft as a unique dna to it. what's interesting about this particular hypothesis it would explain a plane on autopilot flying for six or seven hours. it reminds me of the payne stewart plane where there was decompression and the crew lost consciousness but every reason to believer, that's why the ntsb, faa and others keep the safety part on the table here. there's every reason to believe there was a gradual problem. aviate, navigate, communicate. even though we focus on and fixate on that turn and was the transponder on, was the acars on. the pilots, very seasoned, could have been thinking about an alternate airport because they were beginning to experience anything, smoke in the cabin. probably not those lithium ion batteries. that would have been more catastrophic. but gradually turn off all the electronic buses, and very well could have been. but without data and forensics, two weeks later we're just in a guessing game. >> thanks. >> you're welcome. >> going to kuala lumpur where kier simmons has been reporting on the investigation conducted by maly sh lmalaysian officials families involved are reacting to this story. >> reporter: good morning, jonathan. that potential chinese sighting will just cause more anxiety for relatives and families. they are already frustrated. we have seen more scenes in beijing at a meeting with malaysia airline officials where relatives got so furious because they felt as if the meeting had been finished early, as if they hept been allowed to ask all of their questions. one after another stood up and demanded they get at least the opportunity for that meeting to carry on. meanwhile, here we are told there are insurance payments be, made by the airline. now, this is part of the regulation when a plane has disappeared for this long. it's not a reflection on what might have happened to the passengers but a grim reminder we are more than two weeks since the flight 370 disappeared and for the relatives, aside from all of that, they are just left here waiting, hoping for news. they are -- they do have counselors in place to help them, particularly if the worst kind of news comes along. but before then, they are left with the painful process of everyday waking up and not knowing what happened to flight 370, what happened to their loved ones. jonathan? 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thin. and so i think, again, you know, the lean in organization, i applaud them on creating templates and reports and suggestions for managers as well as teachers and parents, but -- >> well, maybe part of the action plan is to get us talking about it and you anticipated one of my questions. bella hooks is someone who said rather than ban the word, why don't we embrace it. in her words, to be bossy and proud of it. >> and that was kind of my response because in my household we celebrate bossiness. my daughter is very bossy. i'm bossy. my husband is bossy. we celebrate it. i relate to this in a little bit of a different way. when i hear the term, i don't have a negative association with it, i don't use it and we don't use it in my household in a gendered way. to your point, daria, i think it's important to realize that language matters and research shows from a very young age, we compliment boys and girls in different ways. we praise girls for being sweet, for their social skills. we tend to praise boys for being smart. so, these messages we're sending to boys and girls matter. but i do feel like with a lot of what sheryl sandberg has done, it just slightly misses the point. i would love to see her with all of her power and ability to get attention and press and influence to push for some more policy changes. things that would help women in the workforce, like helping with child care or flexible work schedules or paid parental leave. things that would make an immediate impact and be a game-changer for a lot of folks. >> i think it's important. i don't think we -- i think it's important for the reason you're exactly saying, it's gotten us talking. so at harvard, at berkeley and at michigan state, i have to coax women in my economics classes and in my quantitative classes to say something. this is at harvard. at berkeley. at the top institutions in the country. so, i think that the confidence that that survey is speaking to is missing still and that this has to be nurtured. this is, by the way, despite the objections of the women in my classes, because i get teaching evaluations back that say, professor kirk is intimidating. that might be something else. that might be something else. that's fine. i'm just saying that i call on people just irregularly and i don't emphasize men over women. they find this intimidating. things are changing. the women are coming to the class talking. informed, talking and confident. i think this is what the term ban bossy or the campaign is supposed to be getting at. and i think there are a lot of things that would follow from this, like thinking about the minimum wage and how many women are in low wage -- >> language does matter but we cut $8 billion from food stamps this year. if republican hs their way, it would have been $40 billion. 75% of food stamp recipients are families with children. when you go to school hungry or school without warm clothes, schools overcrowded, those are the biggest barriers to achievement. i think this gendered focus, ban bossy, my brother's keeper initiative on the other is a somewhat distraction from dealing with the core economic issues that lead to children underperforms and not reaching the opportunities we know they can. >> we keep talking about beyonce and what she said about this. why don't we take a listen to what she actually says in this psa. >> when i was growing up, i was called bossy. >> i think the word bossy is just a squasher. >> being labeled something matters. >> by middle school -- >> girls are less interested in leadership than boys. >> that's because they worry about being called bossy. >> we need to tell them, it's okay to be ambitious. >> we need to help them lean in. >> and, of course, this has generated some controversy. bill o'reilly didn't exactly like what queen bee had to say. >> interesting. >> let's run both of those clips from bill o'reilly. >> she's very talented and we like beyonce, but her new recordings and video is -- is pretty raunchy. and a lot of young girls who don't have responsible parents idolize her. >> right now in the african-american community 72% of babies are born out of wedlock. back when motown was hot in the '60s, it was like 10% or 12%. what we're seeing then is a deleterious effect on american society. i'm saying to somebody like beyonce, look, these girls love you. these idolize you. you have all the money you need. you are very talented. do some uplifting stuff. you'll sell as many records. >> just to be clear, he was talking about beyonce and her music videos and de crying the raunchiness and out of wedlock births even though beyonce is married -- >> has a performance with her husband. >> performance with her husband and is married and had a child in wedlock. just want to put that out there and make that clear. what's your reaction to mr. o'reilly? >> well, he loves beyonce apparently because she just comes up for him on a regular basis. i think, first of all, i don't know if he's actually listened to the lyrics of the song that he mentioned, but that's, you know, takes you back to sex ed. that's not quite how one gets pregnant. moving on from that, what he's saying in his attack is a little of the problem that i have with the conservative right which is that women are complex. and we are confident and sexual. yes, we're bosses at work. and we run households. and to, you know, try to simplify her role as, you know, a mom and a pop star and a wife all in one, it's -- you know, it's a cheap shot. >> and as you said, it's a whole lot more complicated than that. stay with us. it's not just about how we talk to girls, but also how we talk to and about women and the advice from some women this week that raised a few eyebrows. weet get into that when we come back. first a reminder that the nerd land scholar challenge is under way. this week we've been investigating women framing themselves as mother to advocate for sufficienterage and temperance. thursday we looked at 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it's so clear-cut. but when you have, man or woman, up there saying things like, women don't need these special protections. that is a lot more insidious and it is a bit more complex and harder to combat. what she's talking about is not special protections. we're talking about basic ability to defend yourself in court if you are being discriminated against. and basic ability to be able to work and have a family. i mean, these are not special bills for women. so, in that way, i think this is an even more challenging area for women and for families to deal with. >> this is civil rights. listen, yes, there's this tension between what women can be doing more of in work. negotiating, finding that confidence to be more assertive but there's a need for policy to come into play. when you can't actually have affordable child care, you can't have paid family leave, you -- i mean, the minnesota women's -- economic security act is not just about equal pay. this is about giving women an opportunity to advance beyond what's possible. and never mind the fact that when we engage women in the economy, i think a study came out two years ago from goldman sachs, the gdp would increase by 8%. this is a civil rights issue and an economic issue beyond salary. >> absolutely. you know what, the president had something to say about this and related it to men. let's take a listen to that. >> it's pretty clear that, you know, if men were having babies, we'd have different policies. right? i mean, we know that. that's for certain. >> is he right? >> oh, yes. >> there would be a nursery for everybody. >> absolutely. >> daria, is he right? >> oh, absolutely. and also if men could lose the money that women lose on average. >> richard? >> of course. >> and especially -- >> we have to go. up next, she has broken barriers at one of harvard's most prestigious institutions and to her it's all one big laughing matter. maybe traveling for work sounds glamorous, but have you been on an airplane lately? oh. 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[ cheers and applause ] >> what does it mean to you to have such an acclaimed author and educator come out and commend your new role? >> i mean, you saw i was pretty embarrassed. i was doing that hand-floppy thing i do when i get nervous. and i mean, again, it's just sort of really humbling and really makes me think more about what this larger conversation is, and why people think my appointment is important. because it's surprising to me. and so, you know, it's just an honor, the whole experience. >> what have people said to you in terms of the importance of your new role? >> well, i know, at least when i was a freshman, there is a certain reputation that "lampoon" has of being sort of an old boys club, primarily white comedy institution. a bunch of white guys in a castle all messing around. not that that's not what happens. it is what happens. but the people reached out to me that sort of have expressed that it makes them think a little bit differently about the place. and as someone who kind of had that same idea when i was applying to be on staff, it means a lot. >> so i'm going to ask you about the i2mharvard campaign, the experiences of black students on campus. campuses like harvard. as a black female harvard student with your own personal set of experiences on the campus, can you add your voice to the broader discussion? have you been at times -- have you been made to feel you were other than of harvard? >> i mean, i think for a lot of people, especially people of color who come to harvard, unless you come from an elite background, it's going to be a really big culture shot. i know it was for me. i'm from wisconsin and i'm the first of my family to go to the ivy league. so just getting on campus, you're going to feel sort of as though there's this whole new set of cultural rules and things. and, you know, people with way more money than you could ever imagine. or walking the halls with you and going to class with you. and so that's definitely a journey. and i'm so glad that the itooamharvard campaign happened because it allowed students of color to express these minor -- micro aggressions in ways we're made to feel other on the campus. and i was really fortunate to be one of the students that -- the creator of the performance, and one of the students she interviewed and she is great. we took a class together. she's amazing. >> before i let you go, i have to ask you, after the "lampoon," after harvard, what's next? pie in the sky. big dream. >> employment. >> okay. you're going to be employed. >> that's all i want. >> there's no question, you'll be employed. but what's the big dream? >> film or television. that's kind of my next goal. i love comedy. and so i would love to write for a show. or eventually, you know, have my own show or be working for a night program. so that's the dream. >> well, if you go up to the eighth floor -- thank you, alexis wilkinson. that is our show for today. thanks to you at home for watching. i'll see you tomorrow morning at 10:00 a.m. eastern. misty copeland from the american ballet company will be here. and don't forget, the nerdland scholar challenge is starts now. join in by going to nerdlandchallenge.msnbc.com. now it's time for a preview of weekends with alex witt. filling in is betty nguyen. >> do chinese satellite images hold the latest clue on what may have happened now 15 days since the plane dropped off the radar? we will have a live report on the search effort. euro trip. with the crisis in ukraine hanging in the balance, president obama prepares to depart on what could be one of the most significant foreign policy trips of his administration. we go live to the white house. and history in the making for same-sex couples in michigan. don't go anywhere. we'll have that and so much more. i'll be right back. get paid to do something you really love, what would you do?" ♪ [ woman ] i'd be a writer. 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