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With millions losing benefits, negotiators failing to reach agreement. We did not make any progress today. President trump signs executive orders he claims will help those in need. My guest, white house trade director Peter Navarro. Democratic whip senator dick durbin. Dr. John inglesby from Johns Hopkins university. Coronavirus in the classroom and the debate over opening schools. Not appropriate to open with a virus raging. We talk to a principal, a teacher and a school nurse on opening schools in the age of a pandemic. And decision 2020. Tangled up in blue. How the electoral map has shifted with just 12 weeks to go before election day. Joining me for insight and analysis are msnbc anchor joshua johnson. Nbc news capitol hill correspondent kasie hunt. And rich lowery, editor of national review. Welcome to sunday. Its meet the press. From nbc news in washington, the longestrunning show in television history, this is meet the press with chuck todd. Good sunday morning. Its easy, even dangerous, to become numb to the scope of the coronavirus tragedy thats all around us. Yesterday the United States hit a total of 5 million cases. That is 2 million more than brazil which is second in the world in cases. Weve also passed 160,000 deaths, 163,028 this morning. And the university of washingtons model projects the toll could roughly double to 300,000 by the first of december. But lets put that 160,000 figure into a little bit of perspective. Thats about 40 more than the total number of americans killed in world war i. It is nearly triple the number of americans killed from vietnam. And if that university of washington figure is correct, by december we will have passed the battle deaths from world war ii, all in less than one calendar year. Heres another perspective. Over the past two weeks weve suffered one death from covid19 every 77 seconds. President trump continues to insist, as he put it, it will go away like things go away. And when pressed in an interview recently mr. Trump added, they are dying, thats true. It is what it is. Yes, it is what it is, and what it is a once in a century crisis made worse bipartisan politics, testing mistakes, evolving advice. A public too quick to ignore safety guidelines and a president who has chosen to deny, dismiss, and distractor far too long. Adding to that, washington seems more paralyzed than usual, deadlocked on a relief package, prompting President Trump who himself has refused to meet with negotiators personally, to step in late yesterday and attempt to sidestep congress. Im taking executive action. Weve had it. President trump signing a series of executive orders after his own negotiators failed to make a deal. It was a disappointing meeting. This morning was disappointing i dont care what rose they try to pin on it, its got a lot of thorns. We did not make any progress today. But with a nation in crisis whats at stake for my family is being able to stay who we are, being able to maintain the life that we have. The limited actions are likely to be challenged in court as President Trump takes on powers constitutionally granted to congress. Maybe theyll bring legal actions, maybe they wont, but they wont win. 30 million americans are set to miss another benefits check this week. An Eviction Moratorium expired last month for millions more. The small Paycheck Protection Program lapsed on saturday. Some Student Loan Relief will expire at the end of september. President trumps action sets a weekly unemployment benefit at 400. Why did you decide on 400 when previously families were receiving 600 . That will be a hardship for many. What do you say to them . Its not a hardship, this is the money they need, this is the money they want. This gives them a great incentive to go back to work. The president says states, many which are dealing with budget gaps and pleading for support, must contribute 25 in order for americans to qualify. Which governors have told you that they would sign on . Well, if they dont, they dont. Thats up to them. Among the new orders, deferring payroll tax for those earning 100,000 a year and a move opposed by Many Democrats and republicans suggesting federal agencies consider some eviction protections and deferring student loan payments. The constitution does not give the president power to either appropriate or tax without congress. President trump once promised to be a dealmaker. Im different than other president s. Im a dealmaker. I do hundreds of deals. The deals come out of my ears. I do deals. You have to do deals. We dont want to do the executive orders all of the time. It wasnt supposed to be about executive orders. You have to bring like tip oneal and ronald reagan, you have to bring them together. But now a deal is elusive, with the two sides trillions of dollars apart on a wider package which democrats say should include money for schools reopening, for virus testing, and aid to cities and states. I said, come back when youre ready to give a higher number. At his golf club this weekend the president spun the facts both on the economy, for 20 straight weeks unemployment claims have topped 1 million, shattering historical records. The single greatest threemonth period of job creation in american history. And on the virus. A pandemic which is disappearing. Its going to disappear. And joining me now is Peter Navarro. He is the director of trade and manufacturing policy. Hes also the National Defense production act policy coordinator. Dr. Navarro, welcome back to meet the press and i want to start with something the chief of staff said on friday. Take a listen, sir. Were going to take executive orders to try to alleviate some of the pain that people are experiencing. This is not a perfect answer. Well be the first ones to say that, but it is all that we can do and all the president can do within the confines of his executive power. So is this an acknowledgement . Do you agree with the chief of staff that this is not enough . That this is a small amount here, and in order to do more thats necessary you still have to work with congress . He didnt say it was a small amount, chuck. What he said was its not enough. What weve got here is the failure of talks and the president taking action on four fronts to help four discrete groups. So you have the payroll tax cut which is effectively a substantial wage hike for americans who have their jobs. You have a plus up for workers who are on the unemployment lines. Youve got relief for renters and singlefamily homeowners so they dont become homeless. And you have, for our young people have this crushing burden of student loan, you have relief. Those are four targeted solutions, and that will help deal with the pain. Its unfortunate that we have not yet got a deal, but in the absence of that, president donald j. Trump is acting on behalf of the american people. I want to ask you about these provisions. Some of them look legally dubious here. Are you confident what gives you confidence that the president has the power to decide when to postpone the collection of taxes . Well, one of the things i learned here, chuck, at the white house going through a lot of work on executive orders is what we have the statutory authorities to do, and im confident that every single one of those orders which cleared through the office of Legal Counsel will stand up. If you look, for example, at the eviction and foreclosure language in your opener there, you noted the words shall consider. Thats how you have to write it, but Everybody Knows in that bureaucracy that you damn well should do it, and they will. So theres that. The payroll tax cut, we clearly had the authority to do that and that could be done easily through the treasury department. And i would note in 2012 nancy pelosi was a strong supporter of the payroll tax cut and barack obama used bonds funding to make sure that the Social Security was not harmed in any way. And President Trump, theres nothing more strongly than he supports is the integrity of Social Security. So each of these provisions work. Its unfortunate that these negotiations to date have failed, but look, this should be easier than it is, chuck. Weve got two sides. Ones at 1, ones at 3, agree to some number in between. Step two, figure out what you both agree on Something Like a 1,200 check to every american. Then you trade off, go back and forth across the table, what you want, respecting each others red lines. You dont make the republicans play for planned parenthood or pot farms, for example. This should be easy. The question weve had, watching this unfold, the question the president has, is whether the democrats really are sincere when they come to the table. And im not sure it doesnt help when Speaker Pelosi goes out after every day with her scarves flying and beats the heck out of us for being cruel people when in fact you have a president let me follow up yeah, go ahead. No, let me ask you this, where is the president . Why was he at his golf club all weekend . Why isnt he negotiating . Look, i understand you guys dont like each other and nancy pelosi and the president well, where is he . Why isnt he involved . You have to understand this is the hardestworking president in history. He works 24 7. He could be in bedminster and maralago, the oval office, anywhere in between. He can be at the whirlpool factory like we were thursday, celebrating working men and women benefiting from tariffs. Hes working 24 7. The problem here is capitol hill, the swamp. The two houses that are too far apart. The lord and the Founding Fathers created executive orders because of partisan bickering and divided government. Thats what we have here, but the president has taken action. His constituency, lets be clear. His constituency is mainstream republicans, bluecollar democrats, and independents who are sick and tired of the swamp. He reached out and he took action. He didnt have to he could have just let this keep going, and he did not. He took action, action, action and action. You all right. Okay, you outlined how a negotiation works. And you did something very interesting. You said, okay, the democrats are 3 trillion, the republicans are 1 trillion, figure out where to meet in the middle. Thats what the democrats proposed. They said hey, lets meet in the middle on a number and it looks like mark meadows said no. No, no. Thats not accurate. No . Heres the thing the Cardinal Rule in negotiations is you dont do them on tv. You dont do them here on tv and you dont do them in capitol hill in the rotunda like nancy pelosi does. You do it with sincerity and you have to have both sides willing to make a deal. I know a deal could be done if you just go by that rule. It can be done, but in the absence of this President Trump will act to help people who are unemployed, who are hurting, people who are working that need more money. Renters, homeowners who are really facing a bleak future of eviction and foreclosures and students who need to get out from under that burden of debt. Assuming negotiations continue and a deal happens in a week or two weeks, i assume all these executive orders become null and void . If congress solves the problem, theres no need for the president to take executive action, okay . Well see what we get, but heres the point. Lets not go there. Lets go to this. Weve got four actions President Trump has taken that will help workers, the unemployed, renters, homeowners, and students. Students who have student loans. What we need is sincere negotiation. We have to believe that both sides actually want a deal. And there is this theory, chuck, that the democrats would prefer to see the economy go into the tank for another 90 days because that harms the president. I hope that capitol hill hasnt become that cynical, but watching these negotiations makes me wonder. Because weve been willing to bend. I think the cynicism is a twoway street. Hes willing to bend. I think he has a reputation of killing more deals than solving them. Thats not fair. Hes a great negotiator and what we dont want is to have this break down. And we went up there in good faith. We didnt see our side going out in the rotunda and throwing grenades, it was the other side doing that. Let me ask you about your dpa part of your job. Yes. You wear a lot of hats. The Washington Post over the weekend. The lost days of summer, how trump fell short in containing the coronavirus. I want to pull out this prove. The administration has resist issed. Trump and white house aides have continued to think it is politically advantageous to cede the issue to the states to avoid taking ownership or blame for the issue even though testing shortages are largely seen as a federal failure. Why havent you used the dpa to figure to help fix this testing problem in the country . So were going to come out with a report early this week that identifies all of the things the president has done using the defense production act. Theres over 30 actions weve taken. A lot of them related to testing. I think the poster child for that was a dpa title 3 that we did that got gilford, maine, the puritan company, upping the production of swabs to 20 million a month. Those are the things were doing and were fighting using the dpa on all fronts. Were using the defense production act in kokomo, independent, in 17 days. Nobody will ever, ever do better than that. Three days later where is that urgency for testing . Pardon me . Where is the urgency for testing . Thats the point here. Ill give you another example. Selective instances. Were issuing grants to make sure we get point of care virus testing. This, to me, is going to be the gamechanger where right now weve got two types, right . Weve got a lab test that takes a number of days which is not optimal. Its highly accurate. Weve got the i. D. Now of abb t abbott, which takes 15 to 20 minutes. Were rapidly expanding that reach. What wed love to do is point of care, kind of like a pregnancy test, same idea where you can do it at your home. Chuck, we are working 24 7 on these things and theyve made great progress on therapeutics. On vaccines. This president is going to probably be able to get one or more vaccines by the end of the year. Thats a third of the time it usually takes in using a defense production act. So ill get you ill personally send you a copy of this report when it comes out. You tell me afterwards whether weve done a lot using that dpa, but its the most rapid industrial mobilization in this country since world war ii. And i think there are a lot of people that hear your enthusiasm and want to see you use it even more, but dr. Navarro, i have to leave the conversation there. Thank you for coming on and sharing the administrations perspective, i appreciate it. Yes, sir. Join me is the Number Two Senate democrat, senator dick durbin of illinois. Welcome back to meet the press. I want to start with something Peter Navarro just said. He said in negotiations one side has one number, and he said there needs to be something in the middle, and when i heard that i thought, well, that sounds like potential progress. Did you hear that as suddenly the white house wants to move to the middle . Because that doesnt seem to be what mnuchin and meadows did. Chuck, let me just tell you, if that is the standard, weve not only accepted it, weve offered it. We were at 3. 4 trillion in the bill that nancy pelosi and the House Democrats passed 12 weeks ago. 12 weeks ago. Now weve come down to the range of 2 trillion. They were at 1 trillion. Weve asked them to come up a drill. It does exactly what mr. Navarro suggested. We are ready to meet the white house and republicans halfway, weve said that from the start. We have priorities that may be different from theirs and in terms of the dollar amount we are at where mr. Navarro suggested. Im curious, theres a lot of legal questions about the president s authority to do these things. In order to get the courts to look at it, do you think congress ought to file suit on, for instance, the payroll tax eo or the unemployment eo . This is a moral dilemma. We want Unemployed People to receive benefits. We never wanted them cut off at all. So im not going to suggest we run out to court at this point. I think some will. There will be some challenges. This country club fix suggested by the president is going to be a cut in the Unemployment Benefits for 30 million americans. Its either going to be cut from 600 to 400, or from 600 to zero, where it is right now if the president s executive orders dont stand. The bottom line is this, these people are not lazy people. We have five unemployed americans for every available job. This urban legend which i say is an urban lie about people sitting at home bingeing on netflix and eating chocolatecovered cherries. Listen, ive met with these families, theyre desperate to get back to work. 70 of the people who have gone back to work have taken a cut to wages below the Unemployment Benefits, but they want back in the job. They understand unemployment is a temporary helping hand. So this notion that theyre lazy and if they tried harder theyd find jobs doesnt work. I want to put up a comment from a House Democrat whos in a swing district. Listen to what he said yesterday. Representative Tom Malinowski of new jersey, a firstterm democrat, he warned a lack of an agreement by the two parties would prompt his voters to declare a pox on all our houses, congress is broken, washington is broken, and that is great for challengers, he added. The question is, do you feel pressure that you have to cut a deal even if you dont like what youre getting . Do you worry that the democrats are taking too hard of a line here and at some point you have to move more than you want to . Chuck, thats the nature of a negotiation. Youve got to give a little to get a little. Back on march 26th, march 16th, when we passed the c. A. R. E. S. Act 960, bipartisan. We now have 20 republican senators who said not a penny, zero, nothing at this point. We have mitch mcconnell, the republican leader, whos not even attending the negotiating sessions. He stayed out, his chair is empty. Same thing with Kevin Mccarthy of the house republicans. We said, look at the First Priority. And the First Priority is of course unemployed, but even higher than that is doing something directly about the coronavirus. When i heard mr. Navarro with his talk about testing im thinking, are you in touch with the real world . The president has been saying for weeks and maybe months, if you want a test, you can get it. For the longest time that wasnt even possible. Then this notion youre going to have the same instant results of testing that he does with white house visitors or Major League Baseball does, overnight, that isnt the real world out here. The people waiting in line for testing and theyre waiting for results from five to 12 days which makes them almost pointless. That is a priority for us. Testing to deal with the coronavirus is key to opening the environment pardon me, opening the economy, and opening our schools. Right. Final question with a little democratic politics. I want to put up this tweet from David Axelrod, and you know him, longtime chief strategist for president obama, an illinois guy these days. And he says this, i cant remember any vp Selection Process where so much op poe research has been dumped. If i were joe biden looking for a good and loyal partner, that should be a source of concern. David axelrod didnt imply who was behind this, but there has been a lot of negative stuff dropped on a couple of candidates, susan rice and karen bass in particular. Are you concerned about how all this looks . I am concerned, but not surprised, chuck. This is the political world we live in. It never was bean bag. Its always been a tough game, but its gotten much worse over the last several years. The level of preposterous claims, the charges that have been thrown, theyve just gone out of sight. Lock her up, lock her up. For goodness sakes, that goes way beyond anything any of us have seen in president ial campaigns. That is the nature of this business. Those who stick with it my colleague, tammy duckworth, for goodness sake, shes all but an American Hero for what shes given for this country. There have been those on rightwing Television Shows that have criticized her as not being worthy of consideration for this office. That to me shows extremes that theyll reach. Dick durbin, im going have to leave it there, number two in the u. S. , democrat from illinois, senior senator from illinois, thank you for coming on and sharing your perspective, i appreciate it. Thanks, chuck. You got it. When we come back, progress on a vaccine. Even if we do have one by years end, how effective will it be . Thats next. mom come on, hurry up all systems go . Mission Control 5 4 3 2. And liftoff. vo audi etron. The next frontier of electric. Get audi at your door Remote Services through participating dealers. Hold on one second. Sure. Okay. Okay safe drivers save 40 guys guys check it out. 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Another one of your colleagues in the larger sense, michael kel Michael Osterholm is calling for a reset of some sort New York Times today editorial page calling for this. It feels, though, as if officials are calling for some sort of reset, partial lockdowns and things like this yet we are not having that conversation at all on the political side of things. Are we doomed to sort of live with this virus now if were not going to at all look at your recommendations . I dont think were doomed to this fate. I think we know what to do. Other countries have done it. I think the purpose of these resetting reports and these calls for a reestablishment of the basics is that we know that in other countries, the universal masking, physical distancing, avoiding large gatherings, those kinds of things have worked. If we look at countries like italy, spain and france, they have a total of seven or eight deaths a day and we have a thousand. Its not magic what they did. We know what they did. I think if we act together in national unison, we can get there. Thats what the purpose of many of these reports are. I want to bring up the issue of masks. There have been some people who said we have 95 compliance on mask wearing we could sort of get this virus under control. Is that unrealistic . Do we need to do more than just mandating masks . We do. I think masks are not alone and not by themselves are alone the solution, but they are a critical part of it. We know that physical distancing makes a big difference. We know that large gatherings are places where super spreading events occur and the virus has an opportunity to get around quickly and really infect many people at once. We have to do a number of things together. In terms of simple things like diagnostic testing results coming back much more quickly. Its unacceptable for the country to have testing come back a week or two weeks later. Its not useful at that point. Theres no point even doing the test. We have a number of things we have to do, but theyre not complicated. They may be hard, but we have to do them in unison. And all of those are not hard except when the word politics gets involved and it makes everything seem a little bit harder. I want to keep you out of the political space here. Let me ask you a question about vaccines and to sort of set expectations. Dr. Fauci implied that the first vaccine that we get, he hopes its 75 effective. The fda said theyll approve any vaccine thats at least 50 effective. Can you explain to the public what that means . What it means and what it doesnt mean . And what our expectations should be for the first vaccine . Well, we know that many of the vaccines that we use are not perfect. They dont prevent every case of disease. But if they prevent a substantial portion of disease, then that can help us get to a point where most of us are protected, the disease cant spread quickly between people anymore, a concept that is called herd immunity. Herd immunity doesnt mean we wont have the disease anymore. It means its not going to as efficiently spread in an epidemic form. Is there a percentage figure in your mind that you think will sort of give us a huge step in the right direction . Is it a vaccine that is at 75 or is it 50 . Do you fear that can be a false sense of hope . I think we would take 50 because 50 is a lot better than what we have now. We have no tools, no vaccine tools or medicine tools that we can use to slow this down, so 50 would be far better than what we have now. Of course, we all want something that is 75 , 85 , 90 effective, but well have to see what we get. Get and i think for the amount of time that has passed since the beginning of this pandemic to have this vaccine thats 50 effective in the coming months or in the beginning of 2021 would be phenomenal, but we hope its better. But 50 would be better than what we have now. 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The panel is with us from their remote locations. Msnbc anchor joshua johnson. Nbc news capitol hill correspondent kasie hunt and rich lowery, editor of national review. To set the table here, i want to showcase our nbc news political units first battleground map of 2020. Full disclosure, i am a member of said political unit so ive contributed to this myself. Were going to start with the 20 States Hillary clinton won in 2016, all of which remain in bidens column right now. Maines 2nd Congressional District, which trump carried in 2016, we are classifying as a tossup. Trending bidens way right now, six trump 2016 states that weve been considering the key six battleground, wisconsin, michigan in the north and all have biden with a consistent lead. And right now before we get to the tossup states and biden would have 334 electoral votes if just the states went his way, far more than the 270 he needs and on par with the barack obama electoral numbers of 2008 and 2012. President trump leads in 20 states, good for 125 electoral votes and nebraskas second Congressional District we have as leaning biden right now. Four states, georgia, ohio, iowa and texas, plus that maine district, all which of President Trump won last time, plus the remaining tossups, so you know where the map is. Rich lowery, i start with this, a backdrop, because i asked this simple question. Why is the president not taking the democrats deal at this point . Because it seems it probably would help his reelection prospects. Yeah, chuck, theres some dispute about how real the reduced spending is in the latest democratic offer. But the white house definitely has been reluctant to get much above 1 trillion. And i think its with an eye to renewed republican concern about the deficit. And i very much get concern about the deficit. But the real sin here isnt deficit spending in the midst of Major Economic dislocation, it was all the deficit spending that took place when the economy was good. Joshua johnson, i had one democratic aide, thats been whats made these negotiations so odd is that the normal rules of politics they thought would apply to the other side, which is the political pressure of the moment, has not impacted them yet. Yeah. Its kind of interesting. The way that the political pressure has shifted over the course of this pandemic. Mitch mcconnell was interviewed ly politico this week and said, its a lot harder than it was four months ago, were that much closer to the election. Dr. Navarro said you dont negotiate in public and that may be part of why this is so hard. I think it is also telling that both sides cant seem to come to an agreement, perhaps because of the publicity around these negotiations. It might be better on both sides if they just sent delegates, and if all the Major Players stayed home and stayed away from cameras for a while. But yeah as we get closer to the election, unfortunately it seems like less and less is getting agreed to. Because every sound bite after every negotiation becomes something that could end up in an opponents campaign ad. Kasie, i look at this situation and think, they have to come to an agreement, theres just no choice, the economic fallout is too great not to. Yet do you see them landing this plane this week . Think the blame game has made that potentially very difficult at this point, chuck, and republicans are essentially making a bet that the democrats are not going to go out there and try to knock down the president s Unemployment Insurance executive order because they simply cant be seen doing that. And i think there are real questions about mark meadows, the white house chief of staff, and his role in these negotiations. Because Steve Mnuchin seemed relatively willing to cut this deal with democrats and there does seem to be this overarching bet on the part of democrats that the people that will pay the ultimate political price for not doing a deal are going to be republicans in the senate and the white house. Whether thats the best course of action for the country i think is up to our viewers to decide. Hey, rich, is the real problem here for the white house the fact that any deal that Congress Cuts is going to be Majority Democrats having to vote for both the house and the senate . Yeah. Thats another constraint. But its definitely in his political interest to do this, to get a deal. These executive orders are nebulous, theyre confused and poor substitute for lawmaking, and i should note, even if theyre technically legal, this is not how our system is supposed to work where congress affirmatively declines to do something and the president rummages around for authority to do it on his own. This is part of a longrunning trend of an overweaning executive trampling on a feckless congress. Are you in the ben sasse camp, rich, what do you call constitutional slop . Yeah, its against the spirit of our system. Its what many of us inveighed against in obamas second term. Its just an extension of that. I want to pivot to veepstakes. Joshua, the David Axelrod tweet i asked senator durbin about. Its an insider conversation, but this idea are some candidates running too aggressive a campaign for this number two slot . Thats the thing. I dont know how to read the campaign. If you were asking me who was going to win the nba championship, i know the rules of the game and i know how the players have done. No one knows the rules of this game. None of us knows exactly what the Campaign Strategy is, who the players are, or what the leaderboard is. So theres kind of no way for us to know, which makes this whole political season even more opaque. Forgive me, chuck, by the way, but i do want to mention before we get too far out that navarro did Say Something to you that was a bit deceptive in the way that the payroll tax is being viewed which makes negotiations harder. He said nancy pelosi approved it in 2011. That was a payroll tax cut of 2 percentage points, not a complete payroll tax cut, so that was deceptive in what he said. Not only that, there was also a plan to restore Social Security. You get to the challenge of trying to fit an hours worth of television in. Right, exactly. There are a lot of things i had to unpack on that one. Kasie hunt. Were going to hear from the Vice President at some point about his running mate. Maybe tomorrow. It does feel as if were still sitting in, its Kamala Harris versus the field. Biden world seems divided. Some think its the perfect pick and some think can you trust her to be your loyal number two . Well, David Axelrod didnt name names, but the underlying suggestion has been that its Kamala Harris camp that is playing hard political hardball behind the scenes here in trying to make sure that her way to this pick is relatively clear. Im not saying that we have reporting on that, but the suggestion from people in public is very strong, and i think thats rubbed a lot of women the wrong way. Women operatives ive talked to have looked at this process and feel that were experiencing a little bit more of what Hillary Clinton went through. That this process is this way partly because its women fighting it out and people are less comfortable with women in that role. But i think at the end of the day this will come down to the relationship between the Vice President and the person that he ultimately picks so only he knows the answer to that question. And the fact of the matter we know hes probably met with more of these folks facetoface than weve been able to track during this pandemic. 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If you want to know what a campaign really thinks about its chances, dont listen to what it says. Follow the money. Since june theres been some interesting movement showing us which states each campaign is bullish about and which ones are neck and neck. First, the big three blue wall states that went for trump in 2016. Both campaigns were fully engaged in all three until midjune. But in recent weeks weve seen some changes. Lets take a look at the state of michigan. In the week of june 2nd, the trump and biden forces were spending at roughly the same level there, 474,000 for team trump, 498,000 for team biden. But in late june, biden built a substantial polling lead. By july 21st, the financial numbers were roughly 16,000 for trump in michigan, and 1. 6 million for biden in the state. Then there are the States Donald trump won in 2016 where the Biden Campaign and probiden outside groups are offense, arizona, north carolina, and florida. Were going to focus on arizona. In the week of june 2nd, trumps spending was at 161,000, versus nothing for biden. By the week of july 21st, trump and company were spending 1. 1 million, to biden and his groups almost 1. 3 million. Then there are the States Hillary clinton won, where team trump once saw an opportunity. Nevada, new mexico, and minnesota. The Trump Campaign is spending very little now in new mexico and minnesota. Lets look at nevada. Protrump spending has gone from zero the week of june 2nd to more than 400,000 and stayed there through july 21st. While biden seemed to think it was safe enough not to spend early on, more recent ad buys suggest theyre now paying attention to nevada. Election day is almost three months away. The heavy Campaign Ad Spending is yet to hit and battlegrounds can continue to shift. So far the advertising map continues to expand for joe biden, while President Trumps team is mostly having to play defense. When we come back, coronavirus in the classroom. 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Christine mcclary is a nurse in the east Sanford School in auburn, alabama, where parents get to choose between inperson and remote learning. Welcome, all. A principal, a teacher and the school nurse. We thought these are the folks on the front you guys are on the front lines of all after this in many ways. Jacqueline, i want to start with you as a principal, i have a brotherinlaw who is a principal and hes feeling it from all sides. The pressure not to open, the pressure to immediately open. Everybody wants immediate answers. I can only imagine the pressure youre feeling right now. Just tell us a little bit about it. Well, of course, we all want to ensure a safe return to school for our students, our families and even our staff, and with that being said, there are so many things that have to come into play to ensure were able to do that. We surveyed our families. We wanted to make sure that they felt comfortable with even coming back to school. We put together a task force to study, you know, make some decisions about what are we going to do in the future upcoming because we knew this was going to be a long experience. Theo, in las vegas your school, youre going to be starting online only at first. Whats the biggest hurdle youre concerned about clearing as you prepare for this onlineonly environment in a couple of weeks . I think the biggest thing, chuck, is that its new for everyone, right . So its new for me as a veteran teacher. Its new for the parents and families and its going to be new for the students, and so i think the biggest hurdle for us is how do i engage students in an Online Platform and how do i make sure that theyre showing up every day, that im building relationships with them . Thats going to be the biggest thing and the toughest thing that educators are facing right now is just that engagement and getting those kids to show up and understand what School Looks Like this year. Christine, lets go this is, believe it or not, i dont know how many people watching know this, but most schools do not have a fulltime school nurse. According to a survey, we were able to find about 35 of full time, other 30 of schools have a Part Time School nurse. About a quarter dont have any nurse at all. So, first, i want to talk about what role do you believe you should be playing when it comes to opening these schools . Do you feel like you and your fellow School Nurses, you should be doing the testing or supervising a testing strategy . Having a safe school throughout our state and throughout the country is paramount for all School Nurses. I think, first of all, i would say we need to have a fulltime nurse in every school, every day. That would really help with the children and their safety and their health. As far as testing, this Alabama Association of School Nurses did come up with a plan that was fourpronged that addressed potential testing in the schools with parental consent in order to get results back more quickly so we would know if children were actually sick or not. We actually were looking into doing thermal scanning with a. I. Technology to determine if a child was symptomatic quickly before the child got into the school and potentially exposed either their teachers or other students. What about the technological divide . Who closes that gap . Are you expected to do it for these parents . Are you expected to find the technology for these kids or is someone else going to come in here and get these resources . As a School District we were able to get during the spring 99 of our families engaged in Online Platforms and we weraible to provide technology for any of the students that were in need and we were able to provide support with internet as needed and necessary. So we havent been able to get support as well as shift some of our funding to bridge that Digital Divide because that is a huge concern. That led to me as a person, but as our Leadership Team and other principals doing home visits to ensure that students had the technology that they need as well as ensuring that they knew how to use that technology and that that wasnt a barrier because we know that with our students that are in those distressed and lower socioeconomic groups that we have to make sure that we are bridging that gap. I think the biggest thing that we have to remember is that the School System is meant to actually uphold the community, and i think that in the springtime, we made sure our students had the technology. But if i have a family that has two or three children at their home, i need each of them to have a device. The first thing that i have to do as a teacher is figure out what that family needs and find out and survey them and do they have wifi . Can they get on . Does their device work . And so all of those things are the first things we have to do to engage those families at the very beginning, and i the other thing because we have christine on, too, teachers cant do this without the others support and the educators who are out there helping us. If i have a family, that student isnt coming on, i cant figure out and i cant get them on then my school psychologist, my school counselor, social worker, school nurse, those folks are essential to make sure that all of those needs are taken care of. How much would it cost to make sure there is a school nurse in every school this year . Do you guys have an estimate on Something Like that . Because thats obviously, as we said, one in four schools have nothing. I assume this is something that would have to come from the federal government. Well, currently, chuck, it doesnt. At least in my state. It is funded by the state. Right, when we applied for c. A. R. E. S. Act funding, the Alabama Association of School Nurses, we applied for c. A. R. E. S. Act funding in our plan so that would have funded for a school nurse in every school in the state of alabama for one year. You know, i think the approach to reopening schools has been somewhat backward. We approached it from an educational standpoint and not a health standpoint, and i think if we had started looking at that time from a health standpoint, how do we reopen safely, how do we get isolation rooms and so forth, instead of what can we do to keep kids safe at home, i think wed have a lot more School Systems opening up. The rest of our discussion at meetthepress. Com. Thats all for today. Thank you for watching. Well see you next week because if its sunday, its meet the press. Suddenly there was a man with his arm around my neck and a gun to my head. I shoved my purse into his chest and i said, jesus, save me. And the bullet shot me right in the head and i went down. Lord, jesus, help me. 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