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Cardinal jorge mario berg loeeb. Today for the first time he greeted, blessed, and prayed for his followers. Translator brothers and sisters, i leave thank you very much for your welcoming. Pray for me. And i will see you soon. Tomorrow i want to go to pray the virgin mary so that she keeps rome. Have a good evening and rest well. The pope closed his remarks saying, see you soon. Smiling warmly as the bells rang out in st. Peters square. A man of great mu millty and simplicity. A pastoral leader whos been known to walk the streets of buenos aires. A man who shunned the traditi traditional limousine choosing to use public transport. The peoples pope. Kris jansing has been right at the heart of it all. She joins us live from the vatican along with father thomas reese of georgetown university, father john batunik, msnbc contributor and author of the blog Roman Catholic spiritual direction. Kris, i wonder if you could describe for us the feeling. You were there. You were live on air as that smoke began to emerge. And you suddenly realized that it was not black. It was white. And a new pope had been elected. Reporter it was stunning. I dont think most people believed there would be a pope on the second day after just five votes. And it didnt even match what we saw when the name was announced. Because very little had been mentioned about Cardinal Bergoglio. Francis i. In a series of reports, we know the conclaves are supposed to be secret, he had been widely mentioned as essentially the runner up to Pope Benedict. He was someone who quietly was making his mark on the church. As you mentioned, martin, he was someone who got Great Respect because of the very quiet and simple way that he lived. And the way he lived his belief in ministering to the poor. In being humble. He is someone who is very well liked. Very well known. Its also interesting that out of that last conclave, some documents that leaked said that as the vote was being taken and he looked up at that magnificent painting in the Sistine Chapel of the last judgment, at least one cardinal thought he was looking at it and saying, please, god, dont do this to me. He is a very humble man. And yet a very warm man. And certainly we are seeing celebrations throughout latin america, in churches across the world, where this growing population is really so enthusiastic about this church. And a man who has had great compassion. A man who has shown time and time again that he is willing to be humble but now the leader of 1. 2 billion catholics. And you have to wonder, much will be talked about this, martin, in the coming days. Questions were asked, the fact that the precedent has now been set by the pope ameritus benedict to step down. Might that open the way for an older pope. Because he does not have to be the pope for life. A president has been set that when he no longer feels he has the vitality to continue he has another option. So the 76yearold jorge mario bergoglio. There are people in the crowd behind me who dont want to leave. This is a historic moment. Theyre still feeling the excitement. Kris, i wonder if i could speak now to father reese. Because, father reese, is it your view that in a sense this appointment is an acknowledgment of the growth area of the Catholic Church . This is the first pontiff from latin america. Is this not an acknowledgment of the church that that is where the church is growing . Well, i would disagree with you. Because i dont think the church is growing in latin america. Its growing in africa. But in latin america, were actually losing people to the evangelicals. In fact, in the last generation, weve lost more people to the evangelicals than were lost to pr protestants during the reformation. So the church in latin america is in trouble. Hopefully one of the reasons they picked a cardinal from latin america is that he knows its in trouble and that it needs to be turned around and he has some ideas to make it turn around. Now, he is known as something of a traditionallist. And you will know that hes actually clashed with the president of argentina on issues like gay marriage and, indeed, even down to things like the free distribution of contraception. Does that suggest that this is a man who is committed to the traditional teachings of the church as opposed to, perhaps, some who might like some more liberalization . Absolutely. Theres no question that the election of pope francis is a vote for continuity. Not for change. But its also a vote for a very aggressive papacy on questions of the poor. Here we now have a pope who has lived in the third world. Who understands how globalization has been tough on the people of argentina. Someone who will speak out for the poor. So hes going to have a very strong voice on the poor. Thirdly, you know, i think this is going to be a very interesting papacy. Hes taken the name of francis. The name of a simple friar. I think his kind of simple life that he lived in argentina, if he does that in the papacy, this is going to this is going to shake up some people in the papacy who really like to wear silk and he wants to bring a much simpler lifestyle to the papacy. This could be big change. Right. Father bartunik, father reese just mentioned the fact that the new pope is from a ignatius does that make this man committed to education and mission in ways that will become of real focus in terms of his ministry now as pope . Definitely the sense of mission. It was founded in the 16th century. What was in his heart was dynamism. A dynamic mission. Really spread the message of the love of god. Find new, creative ways to reach out to people who may have forgotten that message or never heard it before. That has been the legacy of the society of jesus, of the jesuits for 500 years. Theyve been incredibly entrepreneurial. Theyve given saints to the people in every generation theyve been around. You can see from his own life as well, the way hes lived his Pastoral Ministry hes very interested in getting the mess ang out. Thats what we understand his mission in the church. Bringing the love of jesus and the truth of jesus to the minds, hearts, and also the bodies of people everywhere in every corner of the world. If you think about these categories of traditional or conservative and liberal, its hard to kind of make them fit with a man like this. Because he has been so humble and so courageous in speaking about the rights of all people. The rights of the poor. Hes spoken against political corruption. Economic construction. Yet at the same time he understands that the moral truths of catholic teaching are connected to the very source which gives us the eloquence to speak about the poor. I think its going to be a dynamic papacy. Hes also going to surprise us as he already did when he came out on the balcony. He broke the protocols in the way he greeted the proud. Its going to be a very exciting papacy. When you describe him, sir, he sounds very much closer to the model of kris himsechrist h was for the impoverished, those on the fringes of society. Hes not someone who would be concerned about wearing, as you said earlier, or father reese said earlier, about wearing the most fine silk. And certainly, you know, he actually did his own cooking. Or he was known as doing his own cooking. So he has that simplicity. He has that humilithumility. By choosing the name francis he shows that. I dont think its a contradiction. I dont think its a surprise to have a pope who really believes in jesus christ. I think christ is the center of the church. Always has been. To have someone who lives certain aspects of the message of christ so powerfully will definitely call attention to the papacy. Maybe among certain people who havent paid attention in recent decades. But i think there is a lot of continuity in that focus on the person and the reality of jesus christ and the power, the transforming power of his message. Indeed. Elizabeth, what is it about pope francis in terms of his background and experience, that you think has prepared him for this sudden elevation to the papacy. I think first of all im sitting here thinking in a town where the extraordinary is kind of the ordinary, weve all been thrown for a little bit of a loop here. And its very, very exciting. But i think already the fact that in this earlier conclave, the 2005 conclave that elected benedict xvi, there was already some thinking of Cardinal Bergoglio. S the already a sign to him that who knew he might come out of this situation might come out of this situation again pope. Obviously the battle against corruption that he has waged in his own home diocese. Mostly what were looking at is an amazing situation of a seed that was planted 400 years ago. Francis and his franciscans went to latin america and they planted the seeds of the gospel 400 years ago. Now that seed bears fruit in rome with our first latin american fruit. An amazing thing to see. Kris jansing, father reese, father batunek, elizabeth lev, stay with us. Much more ahead in just a moment. The capital one cash rewards card gives you 1 cash back on all purchases, plus a 50 annual bonus. And everyone likes 50 more. [ midwestern chicago accent ] cheddar yeah 50 percent more [yodeling] yodelayeeoo. 50 more flash. [ southern accent ] 50 percent more taters. Thats where tots come from. [ male announcer ] the capital one cash rewards card gives you 1 cash back on every purchase plus a 50 annual bonus on the cash you earn. Its the card for people who like more cash. 50 more spy stuff. 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Eastern time here in new york that we first saw the white smoke billowing out of the Sistine Chapel to tell the world that it now has a new pope. Its a great sense of history that people are feeling today. But also a possibility and hope for the future. Thats especially true here in north america, which is home to an estimated 85 million Roman Catholics or about 7 of catholics worldwide. So whats in store for american catholics under this new pope . Whats ahead for the church here . Were back now with kris jansing, father john bartunek, elizabeth lev. Were also joined by George Weigel, the author of a bestselling biography on Pope John Paul ii. He also covers issues relating to the Catholic Church. George, if i might start with you, and i notice that people are preparing you for this segment perhaps with microphones and so on, what is what is your reaction to this appointment of this particular man . Cardinal bergoglio is a highly respected member of this college of cardinals. He was being talked about this past weekend as a possible candidate, even at the age of 76, because of the respect with which hes held by so many. Yet, george, if i might interrupt for a moment, this decision appears to come as something of a surprise today. Because most people were anticipating, perhaps, angelo scola as being the next pope. Martin, as you may know, vaticanology is an extremely inexact science. The worst way to try to study it is threw the i tough the italia newspapers. Im not surprised what was in the milanese newspapers didnt happen. For his pains, he was exiled to northern argentina where he was teaching chemistry. When he came to the attention of john paul ii. Who brought him back to buenos aires as auxiliary bishop and made him the archbishop. He has been a real leader in turning the church in latin america away from a kind of institutional Maintenance Mindset to a new evangeliization mindset. Father reese said the church needs help in latin america. Its precisely the kind of help that pope francis i who will go home to latin america in july can give it. George, i cant help but tell you weve had a little bit of a disappointment among some catholics that i work with here in the office who were hoping that it might be an american. Well, everybody roots for the home team. But in the mind of john paul ii, the western hemisphere was one place. In 1997, there was a huge senate here in rome to consider the future of the church in the western hemisphere. It was john paul ii who insisted it be called for the america, not for the americas. So weve got from america. From the new world. From the western hemisphere. And in the great family thats the Catholic Church, he is part of the home team. If i can go back now to kris jansing. Kris, you were there as we were saying earlier as this decision was made. In fact, youve been there, what, i think for about five days now. As youve been reporting on the story of the conclave, did you hear in the very early stages that this man from buenos aires might well be one of the favorites for this position . Well, we heard early on, martin, that could it be someone from latin america . Could it be someone from africa . Certainly his was a name that was out there if for no other reason, first and foremost, that it was widely believed he came in second, to put it that way, to Joseph Ratzinger who became Pope Benedict. Having said that, his age, 76, made a lot of people disqualify him. Because one of the reasons obviously that Pope Benedict stepped down was because of his age. He said he didnt have the energy anymore. And so i think there was a sort of understanding among a lot of people that maybe the cardinals of the conclave would go for someone who was younger and seemed, perhaps, as more vital. Having said that, remember, the two things that i think people were looking for most were someone who could evangelize and someone who could clean up the bureaucracy of the vatican. Certainly on the first one weve talked about his great evangeliization skills. Thomas reese was right. Weve seen growth in the church in africa and latin america. Theres also competition from protestant evangiliization. Its going to be interesting to see what this man who lives so simply does inside the vatican. Certainly father or george could speak better to this than i could. But what will happen now inside the walls of the vatican behind me. Because theres no doubt it is widely known that they need to get their house in order, so to speak, martin. Going to father bartunek for a moment, i want to mention a poll that was done recently. In fact, a poll found that a large majority, Something Like 60 , have said that the church is out of touch with catholics in this particular country. In america. What does this new pope, pope francis, have to do to make ordinary congregants feel that the church is now relevant and substantially, materially relevant to their lives on a daytoday basis . I think what you saw, one of the things you saw just watching the events unfold this afternoon here is that even no matter what the polls may say, theres plenty of people who feel like the church is very relevant and very much in touch with their lives. So the excitement of the people in the square of st. Peters. And you saw, i think, we might have gotten a glimpse of how pope francis i will continue to make the message of christ relevant in the way that he connected with the crowd of people who are outside st. Peters basilicbasilica, who ha praying all afternoon for the cardinals. At one moment, at one point when he was greeting them, before he gave his first blessing as pope, he actually asked the crowds, and there was tens of thousands of people, to have a moment of silence and to pray for him. To pray that god would bless him and bless his ministry. And as soon as he bowed down and invoked that silence and that prayer, there was absolute silence in the square. I think that shows that this man has a deep enough faith and a deep enough conviction of the power of the message of jesus christ that hes going to be creative, entrepreneurial, and dynamic in the way that he continues to spread the message of jesus christ. As he has done in argentina as archbishop of buenos aires. One other interesting fact, we talk about someone whos an evangelizer. We also talk about we want someone who knows how to manage. Manage a team. Manage the curia. Its interesting to note this cardinal, francis i, when he was Cardinal Bergoglio was elected by bishops to be the head of the bishops hes recognized by other pastors as someone who can lead pastors. Someone who both has the capacity to evangelize and also to manage. Indeed. Thanks for the moment to father bartunek, elizabeth lev, George Weigel and my colleague, kris jansing. Stay with us. Well have much more just ahead. [ male announcer ] what are happy kids made of . Bikes and balloons, wholesome noodles on spoons. A kite, a breeze, a dunk of grilled cheese. Catches and throws, and spaghettios. Thats what happy kids are made of. Campbells. Its amazing what soup can do. All stations come over toids mithis is for real this time. Step seven point two one two. Verify and lock. Command is locked. Five seconds. Three, two, one. Standing by for capture. The most Innovative Software on the planet. Dragon is captured. Is connecting todays leading companies to places beyond it. Siemens. 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One of the things that we hope to do with the catholics come home is to help people to realize the many wonderful things that are happening in our Faith Community. And our commitment to social justice, to the service of the poor, to health care, to outreach, to refugees, to the homeless. And will recognize in our Faith Community a wonderful force for good in society. Of course, but weve announced today that Cardinal Bergoglio of argentina has been appointed pope francis i. Stay with us. We have much more ahead. Bacon . gotta get that bacon bacon . bacon . Bacon who wants a beggin strip . Meee id get it myself but i dont have thumbs yum, yum, yum, yum, yum. Its bacon mmmmm. I love you. I love bacon. I love you. [ male announcer ] theres no time like beggin time. You dont decide when vegetables reach the peak of perfection. The vegetables do. At green giant, we pick vegetables only when theyre perfect. Then freeze them fast so theyre are as nutritious as fresh. [ green giant ] ho ho ho. 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Thats the power of the home depot. Get three bags of earthgro mulch, a special buy at just 10. A special day for the worlds 1. 2 billion catholics. Jorge marrow behr goeal bergoglio. For more now we go back to the vatican and msnbcs kris jansing whos also joined by father mark hadu. Here in new york my colleague and friend and msnbc contributor mike barnicle. Kris, would you bring us up to speed . A first latin america . A first francis . How historic is this choice in your view . Extraordinarily so, obviously. Not just that its a first. I think that its a big surprise. I think the fact that we are looking at someone who has taken a name that really represents really working with the poor. And its going to be so fascinating to watch how he moves forward. I think for american catholics, martin, who are looking for sweeping changes in the church, in spite of the fact that it has a very different face, you are not going to see big theological changes. This is not a college of cardinals that was going to suddenly come out and say, abortion is okay or samesex marriage is okay. But you see in this man, you see in this new francis i, a compassion. And i think we are going to look and see how that compassion plays out. Weve already seen it, i think it was about a year ago when in parts of the world they would not even baptize a child who was born out of wedlock. And he heavily criticized that. While he has affirmed Church Teaching on homosexuality, he has also talked about the proper way to treat gays. And so he has really been very much in the theological mainstream. But the compassion, i think, is something that is going to really present itself. And it will be fascinating for me to see as an american. And weve talked so much, for example, about the sex abuse crisis, and someone who has shown so much compassion to people who are suffering, how he will respond to that issue so much on the minds of american catholics. Mark, you and i were just talking about the fact both of our children have attended jesuit schools. He is a jesuit. The jesuits committed to teaching and evangelism. The kaCatholic Church does needo revitalize itself particularly with people under the age of 50. There are elements, martin, of his papacy that are bound to be transformational. That have already transfor magsal. Hes from argentina. Latin america. First pope from latin america. I cant recall a jesuit assuming the papacy. I just cant recall one. And the junior colleesuits, the jesuit tradition is social justice. Serving the poor. The roots of catholicism. The pope has spent his life in argentina. His priesthood in argentina ministering to the poor. To aids victims. To the hungry. To the homeless. Hes a charitable person. Hes a humble person. As chris just pointed out, i think theres a segment of american catholics who will be disappointed because, you know, i think many of them were looking forward to a pope who would come in and say, all right. Were going to assume women into the priesthood. Were going to address the issues of celibacy in order to grow the priesthood. But his record is such that he is a conservative theologian. Yet given his age i have a strong suspicion that he is a bridge to a new generation of catholicism that will, perhaps, grow and prosper even more. Even though hes 76. Yes. Hes 76. I think there is some among the college of cardinals who are looking toward a younger man to become pope. By younger i mean in his mid 60s or late 60s. Cardinal omalleys age, Something Like that. Father, conclaves in the modern era tend to last anywhere from two to five days. This popes selection was on the shorter end as you know, i think, five votes. Is there any message we can take with regard to that in terms of the speed at which the cardinals arrived at a decisive decision . Well, martin, i myself was very surprised. I came down to the plaza this evening half expecting to see the black smoke. Somebody just asked me, why are you going down . I said, i think theres a 15 chance, but im going to fgo. Amazing that they were able to come together and decide to quickly. There were stories just yesterday about perhaps this would take a long time. There were no leading candidates. And theyve surprised us all. I think the message is, they must have gotten very clear very quickly in those meetings leading up to the conclave of what they were looking for. And obviously reportedly pope francis i was one of the leading candidates in the last conclave. So perhaps they were already very warm to the idea of the possibility. And they arrived at a decision quite quickly, which leaves us all quite surprised, i must say. If i could just add, martin, there was five hours today between the time when there were the first two votes in the morning, and we saw the smoke, and when they went back into the conclave. Thats a longer period of time than weve seen before. And we had a lot of speculation here among us, well, five hours, what will they doing in those five hours . Obviously whether it was a process of conversation with the other cardinals and certainly a process of prayer when they were considering how the votes had gone so far, it was enough that they came to a conclusion this afternoon. Again, much more quickly than i think vatican analysts expected. Id love to hear what congressman paul ryans reaction to this new pope is given the way the Catholic Church responded last year to his budget. That being said, and we cant have a reaction yet from him, what is the greatest challenge that this pope faces . I think he has two obvious challenges. One is to address publicly and forcefully the Sexual Abuse Scandal in this country. And throughout the world, actually. But in this country specifically. Because i come from britain where, of course, there were multiple scandals. And ireland. Indeed. So hes got to address that publicly. Something that neither of the past two popes really did. I think thats essential. I think the other essential thing from everything you read and everything thats been reported and everything that you hear from members of the clergy, hes got to get his hands around the management aspect of the vatican. The secrecy that shrouds so many aspects. Its governance . Its governance. The government nance of the bank. The vatican itself. Its been run by a handful of men for too many years with the windows closed and the light not shining in. Some of whom have been exposed as corrupt. Hes got to open that up. Mike barnicle, Chris Jansing and father mark haydu, thank you so much. Stay with us. 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Talk to your doctor. Cymbalta can help. I made the announcement that we saw smoke. But i actually have not seen the official announcement of the name. So we look forward to hearing about it and im sure its going to be that was the president making his first comments on the news of the day. The Catholic Church choosing a new pope, francis i. In a congratulatory statement the president and first lady offered warm wishes and described the new pope as, quote, a champion of the poor and the most vulnerable among us. Now, the oldination of the vatican does not necessarily mean in just a few hours we will meet the man who may have done more than anything to ensure the reelection of the president. During his recent president ial campaign, mitt romney earned a number of nicknames. Guilded plutocat. The worlds number one offshore investor. The moniker that came to stick was not a name, but a number. One that came from his very own mouth at a fundraiser in florida. There are 47 of the people who will vote for the president to matter what. There are 47 who are with him, who are dependent upon government, who believe they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe theyre entitled to health care, house wk food, you name it. My job is not to worry about those people. Ill never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives. Those 25 seconds of secretly recorded videotape along with his lack of specifics on virtually every policy, drove a stake through the heart of his ambition to become president. Now the man responsible for recording mr. Romneys true feelings about half the population, a bartender at the event, was given an exclusive interview to my colleague, ed schultz. I simply wanted his words to go out. And everybody could make a judgment based on his words and his words alone. The guy was running for the presidency. And these were his core beliefs. And i think, you know, everybody can judge whether, you know, thats appropriate or not or they believe the same things he does. But i felt then an obligation to expose the things that he was saying. Joining us now is msnbcs finest defensive lineman, ed schultz. Not linebacker . Youre much more a forceful and attacking player. Congratulations, first of all, on the scoop. Its big. Was this man motivated by a partisan desire to undermine mitt romney. You would think so. Absolutely not. Absolutely not . It would fit the mold of someone, oh, i got him. Right. This is so far from that. This is a worker. This is somebody who pays attention to the news a little bit. Obviously was paying a little bit more attention to it because of the election cycle. And was going to be exposed to one of the two men that was going to be president of the united states. So out of just having an opportunity to be close to somebody important, he took a camera with him. And hell explain how that all unfolded tonight. Very interesting. Is he a politico . No. Is he a daily demonstrator or someone that has got absolutely not. In fact, he told me hes a registered independent. Is it your view that the material that this man captured proved to be the decisive, if you like, factor in mitt romneys demise in that president ial election . Well, it certainly got a lot of attention, martin. It may have influenced some people. But what this gentleman wanted to do was to make sure the country knew who mitt romney was behind closed doors and to give the American People an opportunity to make their own determination. Voting for someone to lead the free world is a very important responsibility. No doubt. And he thought that there was not the real story about mitt romney being out there. Now, he he tossed and turned over this. Its not like this happened and then the next day he started working the social media. He sat on this for quite some time. And hell explain that tonight. Why he did it. How he did it. What his method is. And what i found so terribly fascinating, as big as this was, its him. He didnt he wasnt managed by any consultant. He wasnt managed by any pr firm. He didnt have any media people telling him, now, youve got to do this or this isnt going to work. This is an instinctive worker who knew he had information that he felt the American People had to hear about. Now, mitt romney would probably like to forget about the comments he made. But he was asked about them in his first interview after the election. Heres what he said. It was a very unfortunate statement that i made. Its not what i meant. I didnt express myself as i wished i would have. And it was very harmful. What i said is not what i believe. Now, ed, he says what i said is not what i believe. And then in that same interview, he went on to say that the reason the president won is because minorities voted for him on the basis of getting free health care. So the fact is he still does believe that. Sure he does. Well, this underscores and validates why this gentleman thought that releasing the tape was so terribly important. And to this day, and let me give you this snippet of information, that when this gentleman saw that interview on fox news, that was the tipping point. He says, im going to come out and im going to make myself known and im going to speak to this issue. That was the deciding because i asked him in the interview, why now . And he pointed to that interview. Because on march 3rd, just a couple of weeks ten days ago mitt romney was still in denial in many respects and still twisting what he what he actually said. So this man says that he watches mitt romney on fox news with chris wallace. Yes. He hears him say he doesnt really believe the 47 comment. And then he decides that actually hes lying. Well, he could have come out before the election. He could have made himself known. But what is so pure about this, martin, is this guy could have sold the interview. He could have gone to the biggest format. The ed show we like to think is big. Lets face it, there are Media Magazines that are far bigger than anything else thats on tv for an hour. I really believe that this man is pure. He has tremendous integrity. Hes an honest man. He didnt he wasnt a media who ar whore. He wasnt trying to game this for more money. Did you pay for the interview . Absolutely not. Did this company make any payment . Absolutely not. Did you make any promises to him . None whatsoever. And i can tell you that i first met this man in the weekend of the inauguration. He watched our show in freeport, illinois. He knows what the ed show and the ed brand is all about. And this is a worker. And he will explain tonight exactly why he did this and what infuriated him and what the country needed to know. Ed, im not surprised he came and spoke to you because youve stood up for working people throughout the time youve been on this network. Well, i appreciate that, martin. Thank you. You have. Thank you. Of course, just a reminder, dont miss the ed show tonight when we will learn the identity of the man who secretly shot the mitt romney 47 video. The show starts as always at 8 00 p. M. Eastern time only here on msnbc. Stay with us. Well have much more ahead. Aw this is tragic man, investors just like you could lose tens of thousands of dollars on their 401 k to hidden fees. Thankfully etrade has low cost investments and no hidden fees. But, you know, if youre still bent on blowing this fat stack of cash, theres a couple of ways you could do it. Or just go to etrade and save it. Boom. All of a sudden, i was just wringing wet from head to toe. Boom. Heart attack. Im a nurse and a care giver. Never once did i consider that i might be having a heart attack. 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Spending time at a conference would for some of us represent an early experience of hell. Im reminded of that great description of hell from miltons paradise lost. As one great furnace flamed, yet from those flames no light but rather darkness. Given the quality of the speakers is this not a throwback to the dark ages . It certainly is a throwback to, lets say, a Political Party thats been defeated in two president ial elections and is floundering, trying to figure out where does it go, what does it stand for and who its leaders are. Sarah palin will be there. Mitt romney will be there. You mentioned all the names. These are either failed candidates or people who will never even become president of the united states. So the idea that those folks would be given platforms and not the chris christies, Bobby Jindals and other people in the Republican Party who are a whole lot more serious makes you wonder whether cpac is even relevant. Indeed. Chr krystal, we have an early tweet from the ever humble donald trump who says this. Lines for my cpac news address start at 7 00 a. M. Outside the potomac ballroom. Acu has asked that you get there early. Donald trump. The biggest attraction. Your view of him as far as his humility goes, first . Its impressive, really. Quite impressive. The thing is, besides just him alone creating a carnivallike, unserious atmosphere, what the gop really needs right now is ideas. They need thought leader. They knead to do some soul searching and actually come up with some solutions that would appeal to the american public. Donald trump is exactly the wrong