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Quote, no other option but to step back from royal duties. And were going to hear from senator Chuck Schumer. The House Democrats, who will prosecute the case in the senate, have been here all weekend on capitol hill. We got the first sense on how theyre planning to lay out their case. Both the democrats and republicans filing paper briefs. Those arguments are spread out across 120 pages. We can sums are them for you in about 60 seconds. The president withheld hundreds of millions in military aid to an ally at war with russia, withheld a meeting the president of ukraine sought with his adversary in order to force ukraine to help them cheat. The articles of impeachment are two noncriminal actions, namely obstruction of congress and abuse of power. Even if all the evidence is laid out through the weekend, the stage has literally been set with staff moving big screen tvs on stands, pushing in tables, making room for the legal teams and wiring for video and computers. And still, the process for all of this, is very much in question, including how long the trial is going to last and how long each day of testimony will go. That proposal will look similar to 24 hours of presentation by the house managers over two days. Then 24 hours of presentation by the president s team over two days. And 16 hours of questions submitted by the members in writing to the chief justice. Thats right. Starting tuesday we could see 12hour days of opening statements. And then theres the question of witnesses. The House Judiciary Committee is sending over an abundance of new material in the form of lev parnass personal documents and his selfie folder. So many in the president s orbit of knowing what he was up to. Here with me politics editor for the daily beast. Sam stein. And josh letterman. Senior Washington News correspondent and nmsnbc contributor, beverly atkins. And former assistant director for counterintelligence msnbc analyst. Welcome all. Sam stein, let me start with you for the big picture. Because were on the verge of a historic week on capitol hill. I feel like as weve learned more about how the president s team is approaching this, the two sides could not be farther apart and its clear were setting the stage for political theater. 12 hours of political theater per day too much for everyone. I dont think anyone wants that. Can you imagine chief Justice Roberts . They might not want 12hour days to be honest with you. It is remarkable how stable politically this all has been in the midst of how radical, from an evidentiary standpoint its been. You still see the same arguments being levelled by both sides, even as all this new stuff comes forward from lev parnas and others. Whats struck me honestly and this is consistent throughout is not what the new material is. But what hasnt come forward. Through it all, as far as i can tell, not been exonerating evidence put forwrtd ward by Th Administration and the white house. Theyve had months to say hold on, we need look at this element of the ukrainian aid were sending and we dont have any paper whatsoever. At this point youre thinking you would see that. I think that, itself, is the more damming element. We know each camp is going to its side. And it is remarkably different from evenen the clinton impeachment trial rubric. This is really, i think while, yes, this is the argument for the hungry people in the room. This is a chance for the house managers to speak to the American Public. Weve heard nancy pelosi talk about bringing them along as a driving force. And this is the first chance adam schiff is in the spotlight that he has to lay out this case in a way that potentially millions will watch and be convinced by or not. What is the task at hand for him . And do you think there might be people moved by the case he has to make . Its also the ulothers that have been appointed as well. Two new household names. One is Hakeem Jeffries and you think that lower tier did an incredeble good job during the time in the second go round of all this. I think theyre going to stick to the game plan right now. That is to present the facts as was developed through both the intel and judiciary committee. Theres been no exculpatory evidence laid out to exonerate the president in any way shape or form. I think this will be a madefortv event with all the lawyers coming in, whether its ken starr the only thing missing is Johnny Cochran and the glove. Just like donald trump was made for television. This is an extension of his television career. Its all come down to this week. And to that very point, thats partly how donald trump beat Hillary Clinton in 2016. Does that give him an edge going to the impeachment trial . Its a tall order to go against somebody who has so much experience building that kind of an argument in public. The president clearly thinks so. Its clear from what people have been telling us is this is all about the process. This is all about the messaging. Normally they send their answers saturday to the impeachment charges. And usually there is a legal argument in there. And it was not. It was pure attack on the process. Saying the democrats are trying to undue an election. All political messaging. And donald trump is picking the lawyers who are television lawyers, who he has seen and liked. Their messaging on this. Thats how they see it, i think. Its not about siting cases or precedent or anything. This is a kind of battle he wants, not just these lawyers but the republicans who are backing him on the hill, to wage. I can imagine there are some people out there watching, listening to that, i take it. But its a little cynical to say we have this process steeped in history designed to be a trial with a fair jury. If you take kimberleys argument, and i think its a valid one, none of it matters. They dont have to go into all of nat. Theres not a strong prospect theres a vote at the end of this where they get a majority. So why dredge up all of this stuff . Its all a sham. The president completely denies any culpability. There was a moment as we watched the senators being sworn in where it felt different than what happened in the house. It felt more solemn and somehow less Like Team Red and blue slinging mud from both sides. And i guess the question is whether theres any sense of that continuing . Whether the senate, whos historically been able to do that, Smaller Group of people, less of the fringes from both sides, maintain a sense of here we are, as opposed to both parties taking pot shots at each other. Youre shaking your head. I think we have enough to be incredibly cynical about this. Youre the white house, right . The first time this call becomes public transcript, the initial reaction is well, if theres a quid pro quo, thats pretty bad. And then you have your chief of staff, Mick Mulvaney say, darn right there was a quid pro quo and Gordon Sondland say there was a quid pro quo and the republicans say maybe its not so bad. If youre the white house, of course youre feeling confident and dont feel you need to get into the weeds of the law. You can make public presentations. Because you have a Political Party that almost uniformly will back him up. Could the solemnity of it all weigh on them . Sure. I just dont see a scenario in which theres ever that type of vote. And more importantly whether theres a Silver Bullet break through that convinced the republican law makers. The big question has been the new evidence from lev parnas. And in his interview, parnas named quite a few household names. President trump knew exactly what was going on. I wouldnt do anything without the consent of Rudy Giuliani or the president. Attorney general barr was basically on the team. Mr. Bolton was definitely involved in the loop because of the firing of marie yovanovitch. Do you know if Vice President pence was aware of the quid pro quo, of the trade and that is why his inaugural visit was called off . Im going to use a famous quote by mr. Sondland, everybody was in the loop. And the president and Vice President have said they dont know parnas. The attorney general called the claims 100 false. Frank, weigh in here on how you see parnas as part of this. Because i have to say talking to democrats on capitol hill, while some are interested in knowing what parnas has, they want to see that evidence, they actually do have questions about his credibility as a witness. Whats your take on that . In case of the clip you just played, portrays why parnas would make an excellent witness and why hell probably never be called. This is a rabbit hole i dont think anybody wants to go down, particularly the republican members of the senate. Hes got records you cannot ignore. Hes implicating pompeo and barr and Vice President pence. And hes one step away from the president portraying himself as an emsary of the white house through giuliani. So, hes not going away. One purpose he serves is to set up this stark contrast were about to see this week. The stark contrast between senator whose dont want any witnesses and who are going to defend the president by saying what he did isnt impeachable. And then the democrats are going to say wait a minute, weve got facts on our side. And Alan Dershowitz who said when i dont have the facts, i play to the media. So, were going to have a media circish from the republicans and the democrats saying no, we have facts. This whole fight is go to tooking going to ensue whether were held to what the house held before christmas. And questions about what is going to sink in. Youve got new reporting on parnas. In the past few days, we had the combination of him coming forward, implicating people. He brought receipts. Thousands of pages of encrypted Text Messages, document said, photographs. A lot of them showing how involved he was and the president acting Rudy Giuliani acting with the president s knowledge and consent was the phrase that was used in a letter from giuliani to president zelensky. And in addition to that, we had a whole additional story line about potential monitoring and surveillance about ambassador yovanovitch thats raised alarm bells on who was surrounding lev parnas. Weve got investigations in two countries into what happened there. One of the things this has done is put this on two tracks. Because were going to have a senate trial playing out, based largely on the evidence from last year and at the same time new details coming out, even as the senate trial is happening. Is any of that going to sway senators . Its going to continue to thrust the details into spotlight as we get close and closer to the president s reelection in november. And lets just say its part of the calculus for republican whose want to push this through. Now for something completely different. Prince harry is speaking publicly for the First Time Since his exit from the royal family. This is big news on the royal front, which is why were covering it for you. It happened at a speech in a Charity Event where he told the crowd he and his wife, meghan markle, were left with, quote, no other option. And joining me is matt bradley, who we often see in war zones across the globe covering very serious, intense news. But who is at buckingham palace. Im sure this is everything you dreamed of covering. I love meghan markle. So ive been covering every twist and turn in the story. Reporter its a pleasure a classy place. Tonight we had another classy event. Prince harry was addressing a charity he himself founded 14 years ago to help children affected by hiv in subsaharan africa. Now the prince gets a say. I must say i can only imagine what you may have heard. Reporter in his first Public Comments since splitting with the royal family. I want you to hear the truth from me, as much as i can share, not as a prince or a duke, but as harry. Reporter the prince telling the audience he and his wife had planned for a more private life. The decision i have made for my wife and i to step back is not one i made lightly. It was so many months of talks after so many years of challenges and i know i havent always got it right but as far as this right, there really was no other option. Reporter torn between a desire for privacy and an obligation for duty. What i want to make clear is were not walking away and we certainly arent walking away from you. Our hope was to continue serving the queen, the commonwealth and my military associations but without public funding. Unfortunately, that wasnt possible. Reporter invoking the memory of his late mother, princess dianna. When i lost my mom, you took me under your wing and looked out for me for so long but the media is a powerful force. My hope is one day our collective support can be more powerful because this is so much bigger than just us. Reporter a step forward for his own young family. Together you have given me an education about living and this role has taught me more about what is right and just than i could ever have imagined. We are taking a leap of faith, so thank fruio giving this courage to take this next step. Reporter and he said something thats been on the minds of a lot of brits here. He said britain is a country he loves a place that will always be his home. Kasie. Matt bradley, thank you very much. We look forwrard to welcoming yu to nofrgt america. Pqts and it appears they are not in lock step on everything in the case. Also coming up, senator mazie hirono and that they got a better briefing on the drone strike on Qassem Soleimani. 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And ken starr was at baylor when he mishandled an inquiry on Football Players. And potentially running for president in 1999, quote, starrs a freak. I bet heigate somethi got somet closet. Good to have you, as always. We talked a little bit earlier about the Trump Legal Team and how were squarely made for television. And really aimed at helping everybody relive that period of time in the 90s that the president did over and over and over again in 2016, ultimately to the detriment of democrats. And weve been talking about in the show. The president wants a madefortv team, household names. People hes seen and thinks have been defending him. Says a lot of positive things about these players recently. Theres obviously the senators in the actual trial. But hes also thinking more broadly about this as hes running for reelection on how hes messaging this to the American Country and push this idea hes being purse kuersecut this is an unfair case. Can you talk about ken starr for a second. I mean, what are we going to get from him . Ive been watching old footage of ken starr. The americans the president needs to convince, does ken starr help that case . Im slightly mystified. Were seeing this as a madefortv legal team. This is a pluckedfromtv legal team. This is who he sees on the air waves and what we get from ken starr is probably what we get from Alan Dershowitz, which is people not privy about the intricacies of the ukrainian mishaps but can make lucid and convincing sounding legal arguments about the constitutionality of it all. If they have that type of debate, have to say its probably better off for them. They can make an argument is it really obstruction . Is it really abuse of power . And you can have these broad, philosophical arguments about the constitution. It becomes trickier when you get in the specifics. And of course Alan Dershowitz and ken starr dont have that much because theyre not the president s actual lawyers. Thats what i expect the be the next couple of days. And is that night kind of the point, that theyre not steeped the in case the democrats are trying to make . The democrats want to blow right past it. At the may be what hes thinking, if athing at all. People are familiar with and lets have them on my side. Theyre outsiders from washington. Heres the danger in that, kasie. The danger is people are going to start focusing on the defenders, rather than the defense. And he starts scratching not too deeply on dershowitz. Youre going to find creepy things about both of them including allegations of underage sex and dershowitz writing an oped in the l. A. Times where he says the age of consent could be 14. Were getting blown out of shape on statutory rape. And starr who was basically walked out of Baylor University because he was looking the other way while Football Players were doing horrible things with coeds. It could focus more on the defenders than the defense theyre launching. Congressman crowley, whats the best strategy for adam schiff and this Upcoming Team of managers you mentioned . How can they most effectively push back . I think theyre going to stick to the facts, as they were laid out in the judiciary and intel committee. I think were going to call for more evidence to be entered in. And i think lev parnas may have more information we may want to know about. Selfies to share. Exactly. I think its going to put up more pressure for those, for lack of a better word, modern senators on whether they should have witnesses or not. The more the evidence is out there, we really need hear from Mick Mulvaney, bolton. We need to hear from those others who have real knowledge of what the president said when he said it and that matters. I think for cory gardner, for collins p much more difficult for them. I think bolton, in particular, because of his firsthand experience, is something that might move the needle, perhaps. I appreciate you giving us part of your sunday night. Ahead what the president is saybug hind closed doors. About the air strike that killed Qassem Soleimani. Mazie hirono joins us next. And were awaiting a News Conference with Chuck Schumer. Conference with Chuck Schumer. Whatever happens out there today, remember, you have the hilton app. Can the hilton app help us win . Hey, heywere all winners with the hilton price match guarantee, alright . Man, you guys are adorable alright, lets go find your coach, come on book with the hilton app. Expect better. Expect hilton. But allstate helps you. With drivewise. Feedback that helps you drive safer. And that can lower your cost now that you know the truth. Are you in good hands . So chantix can help you quit slow turkey. Along with support, chantix is proven to help you quit. With chantix you can keep smoking at first and ease into quitting so when the day arrives, youll be more ready to kiss cigarettes goodbye. 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He went on to describe the minutes leading up to the strike, counting down the minutes soleimani and those he was with had left to live. The detailed account is a bit different than mark esper, explaining that intelligence surrounding the strike cannot be widely shared. The bottom line is we had exquisite intelligence. That was revealed to the gang of eight. I understand the frustration of the broader members of congress. Theyre not going to have access to that information. And politico reporting theyve cancelled two briefings this week. This move has frustrated law makers and staffers looking for more information about the air strike. Joining me now, hawaii senator, mazie hirono, a member of the judiciary committee. Before i started, id like to extend my deepest condolences to the family and friends of the two Police Officers that were killed tragically in hawaii and the firefighters fighting flames, as we speak, of the homes that were basically set on fire. Thank you for mentioning that. Lets start with what the president was talking about at his maralago resort. There was considerable frustration. Is it frustrating to hear the president give a friends and an audience more information than you all received. . He doesnt have a filter when he talks to people at maralago or the russians. The first explanation was there was an imminent danger. There is very little information. So this afterthefact explanation. There was no imminent danger we were facing. We all agree he was terrible person. The point is the president should not bring house to brink of war without intel that allows him to kill the number two person in iran and without thinking about what the consequences may be and they still havent given us, in my view, the straight scoop, the information. We did have a briefing. From the the cia and all those people, but a lot of us, including mike d, who came out of that briefing and said we didnt get the kind of information we should have gotten. Do you have any concerns overall about the president revealing what would typically be a pretty closely held National Security secret to, in a public forum like this . It goes to show once again the president makes decisions and talks in a very impulsive way. That endangers National Security, in my view. Lets talk about impeachment. Big questions still out there about how Mitch Mcconnell is going to set up the ground rules. Have you learned anything more about how this is going to play out . I think hes going to pretty much spring everything on us tuesday. I pretty much know he doesnt want any witnesses. He wants it to basically be what i would call a white wash, we wont have witnesses, documents and thats how mitch wants to do this. And theres a big rush to have the road taken with all the republicans presumably not voting to convict the president before the state of the union so the president can run around saying he was exonerated, just after the mueller report. We should take the time necessary for the president s people were still waiting for his people to mount a reasonable defense, rather than just calling this a witch hunt. I mean, we did see the initial filings from the president s team, essentially saying neither one of these charges are impeachable charges under the constitution. Their position is what i call he did it so what . Defense. Or what mulvaney, get over it, dfsz. What is the democratic plan out of the gate on tuesday to try i know senator schumer, the minority leader, has pulled together some motions aimed at highlighting this witness issue. Whats going to happen is probably Mitch Mcconnell will represent his motion to get the trial going and Chuck Schumer will get up and say we knew bolton they will probably counter with we want hunter biden. Well agree hunter biden is irrelevant. There will be votes taken, not just in the beginning part of the trial but possibly during the trial itself, as the house members they themselves can move to have certain evidence, certain documents and certain witnesses called. And those will also go to a vote. Weve been hearing its possible the trial could go late in the night to accelerate the time table. Do you think theres a political motivation or an impact on the fairness of the trial if it is happening way into the evening, 10 00, 11 00, 12 00 at night. I say yes to both of them. Theres dp theres definitely a political motivation. This began with the politicallymotivated president blackmailing another country and using our money. Do you think the American People are going to stay up 12 hours or however many to wuch this . Theyre theyre expecting a fair trial, which means witnesses and appropriate documents. Unlike both Richard Nixon and bill clinton, produced zero documents, 71 document requests. And he sent out a directive that nobody in the administration should testify. So you have all these departments, dod, department of defense, all not producing a single piece of evidence. So, when i hear the republicans going on and on about how this was no due process, i want to say give me a break, guys. Why dont we do the American People a service and have an actual trial . Well, its certainly going to be a dramatic week in the senate. Ill be there. In fact, i think we all will be. Thank you for your time. Whqts we come back, some senators find themselves facing uncomfortable questions about impeachment. 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She did this with kavanaugh only to side with republicans. We touched on this earlier. But how real do you think it is that these moderate republicans could go against Mitch Mcconnell . Probably not that real. I was thinking back the 90s. Inevitably you would hear talk of a gang forming, gang of eight. And it was a group of moderates on both sides who have their own meetings and they would try to forge a compromise and force it upon the parties. And this is what happened in clinton. On the outline for the rules of the trial. Whats interesting here is theres not even talk of gangs. A gang of however many meeting in years probably. It says a lot about the sentive structure. And Susan Collins would have branded her a centerist, deal maker and thrust her in the spotlight in a positive way. But now it will make her a target for President Trump and for mcconnell. So, shes stuck in this position where she has to plakate her base and kimberley, atkins, i think mcconnell is acutely aware of the pressure. He wants to remain majority leader. And that means trying to make sure Susan Collins has the option to vote for documents and witnesses if thats what she needs. Is that ultimately why were going to see votes on documents . I think thats right. I think mcconnell understands vulnerable senators need to vote the way their voters need them to. Everybody is motivated by Different Things. Catering to voters in maine is different than romney, who was very popular in his state might be making. So the motivation is entirely different. Its hard to draw them in together. That statement you put out, clarifying her position, that she might vote for articles and might not, depends on what happened and well see. Its crazy to me because theyre advocating the power they have. If Susan Collins sat down with doug jones and joe mansion and say were not going to agree to there has to be this type of rule structure. They could force it and decide yes, he understands the vulnerability of his members. And President Trump has, in the past, gone after Mitch Mcconnell, most notably failing to get an obamacare through the senate. Congressman, what do you think the underlying dynamics are here . Do you think there is a realistic posesibility the tria could play out in a way thats different than it started . Its hard to say that knowing mcconnell and that hell make a deal and know hell win the vote. I think whats happening is true dynamics. One is the primary for republicans. The primary is going to happen oofr this trial and its a fine line for them. If they go too far, theyll lose the primary vote. Then the problem with the general election, in the hopes this will be forgotten by november. And the solemnity of the oath that was taken. And at the same time they know if witnesses are allowed, thats a jump ball. Youre heading to territory where no one can predict what will happen if you can have bolton testify. Flr thats why you dont see the gang of eight, two, three, four, because if they did do that, they know they will have a mystery out there. Thank you see much. Thank you guys so much for your reporting. Appreciate it. Coming up next the state department is investigating whether robert hyde was running a surveillance operation against the u. S. Ambassador to ukraine. I need all the breaks that i can get. At liberty butchemel. Cut. Liberty mu. Line . Cut. Liberty mutual customizes your Car Insurance so you only pay for what you need. Cut. Liberty m. Am i allowed to riff . What if i come out of the water . Liberty biberty. Cut. Well dub it. Liberty mutual customizes your Car Insurance so you only pay for what you need. Only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. 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And ask your doctor if biktarvy is right for you. Secretary of state mike pompeo says he will investigate claims of surveillance operation against former ambassador to ukraine marie yovanovitch. This comes after the public from indicted Rudy Giuliani associate lev parnas. Tin colluded messages between pars in and robert hyde, where the two men appear to discuss tracking yovanovitch. Thats where things get interesting. Here to explain everything is chris keating. He just interviewed robert hyde. Josh letterman is back with us as well. Chris, let me start with you. You just sat down with mr. Hyde. The story line is nothing, if not bizarre. Walk us through what you learned. Yeah, it was restaurant strange. There was no question he was texting back and forth and was close with lev parnas. Now he says he never had the ambassador under surveillance at all and thought the whole thing was a joke, that he was joking back and forth with parnas. But theres a series of Text Messages that said, i know at this moment that the ambassadors computer is off. That seemed and sounded like electronic surveillance of some sort. So i think we have a little bit of the interrue you just concluded. Lets take a look at it. I thought they were joking because everybody said they were jokers, conmen, losers, scum bags. So when they are sending me these texts, under surveillance, just joking, nobody ever really knew that i had never pi pictured anything was real. So josh letterman, just get your reaction to that. Do you buy this was just all a joke . So far, we dont have any evidence that there actually was a surveillance operation on her. But we know that this was not just robert hyde. There was this other character we learned about. This apparently dutch citizen who was conveying all of this information to robert hyde he was then passing along to pars that. One of the things that left parnas said in his interview with rachel maddow, he said it was likement coming out of a cult. One of the things this whole episode with robert hyde exposed is how the president has created this environment around himself thats become this breeding ground for basically these trump superfans to bring themselves into his orbit by hanging around at the bar, at the trump hotel like robert hyde did regularly, by projecting proximity to the president , by donating and getting selfies at these various fundraisers at martin bashchat. Its allowed people to come into the orbit that should not be close to the president. Such as people who seriously or jokingly would talk about running a surveillance operation on a u. S. Ambassador. What was your take away from sitting down with this man . You get a measure of a person. Did you feel as though there were contributions in your interview . Anything that stood out to you that we should sort of Pay Attention to in the coming days . Sometimes it was hard to follow. I mean, this guy hyde has a million pictures of himself with donald trump, ivanka trump, donald trump jr. He wants to be a player. Hes running r for congress b in connecticut. He was very concerned that nobody knew where we were r or where we were talking. The interview started out on the telephone. I told him i wanted to do it in person. He didnt tell me. He drove to where i was. And we ended up doing it in person. It didnt start that way. He didnt tell me he was coming. You never knew from one minute to the next what was going to happen. So just to be clear here. He was concerned for security reasons a about you knowing his physical location . Did you get a sense of why . The fbi is looking for him. I went to his house. The fbi went to his house. They couldnt find him. The fbi went to his office and couldnt find hill. Hes not been staying at his house. 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The house was unfair. Its all hearsay. Bring in the people who were in the room. I think it all depends on four republican senators. My personal preference would be to see this thing dismissed. The idea of dismissing the case is not going to happen. Adan dirk wits takes a unique position. You needed proof of a crime. I was surprised to hear him say that. Is than argument you have to make if the facts are set against you. Abuse of power, its so openended. Abuse of power is poorly defined. Abuse of power is at the center of what the framers intended to be. Its all over the federalist papers. Alexander hamilton. What is tuesday going to look like . Were proposing to do exactly what we did during the chin ton hearing. Were going to proceed. When it comes to donald trump, nancy pelosi made privately what shes orchestrated the church of holy hell. Welcome back to kasie d. C. We are awaiting a News Conference from Chuck Schumer. Were going to bring that to you as soon as we have it. After a remarkable week, we are now just two day was from if the official start of the Senate Impeachment trial. We have very exciting days, more than most president s, times ten we like to keep it that way. It is the most high profile platform for democrats in congress to make their case that President Trump should be impeached from office. As 2020 president ial candidates try to make overlapping arguments on the came pain trail. There are many questions to consider tonight. Can congressman adam schiff and others sway the American People . Especially undecided voters in wisconsin, michigan and pennsylvania. Will predictions like these hold any water in november . The time we get to 2020, donald trump may not even be president. In fact, he may not even be a free person. Speaking of the election, will democrats grasp a crucial opportunity to make their argument for 2020. And will the president s team of made for tv lawyers give the president the performance he wants. Perhaps the most important question of all, does any of it matter . Will enough people actually be watching at home . Or is it just going to be another political flash point that doesnt breakthrough with the broader public. Id like to welcome in my panel for this hour. Sue davis, senior Washington News correspondent and msnbc contributor kimberly atkins, brandon buck, and in massachusetts the legendary Mike Barnacle, who is also an msnbc contributor. Im sorry we dont have the morning joe sound effect loaded. I have to get our control room on that. I appreciate having you here. As am i. On this broader question of whether or not this is all going to matter, it does seem to me sitting here going into this week, the halls of Congress Every day, it feels incredibly historic, momentous, not something that we do every day. But when you listen to the president on the campaign trail and think about how voters may or may not be absorbing this, some of it seems like its another episode in what has become politics as usual. Do you think that this is something thats actually going to sway or perhaps the question is are there even undecided voters left to sway by whats going to unfold this week . That last point you made is a critical point. I dont think anybody in america is undecided ant donald trump, about his presidency or him as the individual. And does it matter . Yes, it matters to history. But in terms of swaying the American People, a as you indicated earlier, i think my instinct is that large segments of the American Population are semiinterested in this. The coverage is spotty for them in terms of its Rolling Thunder and ever presence and people tend to tune it out after awhile. And i think the largest segment of the American Public is just sitting there quietly saying, i get it. I sort of know whats going on. Wake me up on election day and ill take care of it. Its funny you say that. One thing i sort of when i was out on leave that i spent a lot of time thinking about is trying to consume the news, be part of the news cycle in the way that i imagine most american who is have jobs outside of this business do. They take in some big event, they watch the news and read the paper. Try to keep themselves informed. It was interesting to see what kind of broke through for me. My question from that perspective for the democrats in particular, what do they need to do in the next two days to breakthrough what you describe as that sort of Rolling Thunder of the everyday news cycle so people stop and say, hey, i learned something new that matters to me. I dont know. I dont know the answer to that. Thats a tough question for the democrats. Because voters, ordinary people are exhausted by what has happened over the last three years. The back and forth, the constant tweets from the president. Theres a level of exhaustion this this country that has people removed a bit from the everyday politics. Removed a lot from the politics. In terms of breaking through, the coverage right now of the impeachment trial, as it begins, is going to be minimal liezed by the senate rules, the new rules enforced, keeping reporters at bay, keeping Television Coverage restricted to just cameras, controlled by the United States senate. Not even cspan controlling the cameras. So its going to be tough, i think, to get people involved in this. Brandon buck, you are certainly familiar with orchestrate iing optics around things like this in your many years with the House Speaker paul ryan. What is your take on these bigger questions, especially because this president has shown that he has very adept at overloadsing the information that americans receive with his version of the truth. Its like Blunt Force Trauma all the time. Is there any way for democrats to cut through that here . Into a certain subset of the voters, which has been the most important thing of all of this. The house did a really good job. Substantively getting witnesses to come and make testimony that was pretty damning. But on the politic, i think the president actually won this because democrats sort of played by the old rules. Its notable theres relatively High Percentage of americans who support impeachment and think hes should be removed from office. Much higher than the clinton era. But thats not how things work anymore. House republicans or Senate Republicans dont care about national polls. They care about what people back home think. The president did a really good job talking to voters, going around the Mainstream Media or talking on fox doing a rally like he did firing people up, having them hear it was a rigged process or out to get him from the start. Thats what they hear. That filters back to members of congress and they come up to washington and act the way they do because thats what constituents are saying. When it comes to politics, they are acting rationally. Im going to just underscore for the record that you said something nice about Nancy Pelosis House Democrats. The fact that we got so much testimony after the president said they werent going to participate at all, it was remarkable. Thats probably the biggest problem for democrats. We know what happened. We have all this testimony. It just didnt move enough people to actually make a difference in the votes. So sue, youre on capitol hill every ta. All of us kind of pounding the marble floors. What is your sense of how democrats are going to try to take on this challenge . Is he right they are doing it under a set of rules that dont apply . The thing to watch for, the two wild cards is adam schiff. Can he deliver a disciplined, clear message that make it is really difficult for those four republicans they are looking for to vote for more witnesses to say no. And he goes in with some challenges. I think adam schiff is seen in this very political time, republicans see him as a partisan player. I think hes got a lot to do to try to find those votes. The wild card is how the White House Defense Team Performs on the senate floor. This is the first time we will be hearing from the white house in this official process. Theres been a lot of fight on television. Obviously, the president has communications through twitter and his rallies. But they need to make a clear defense before the senate to make this job for Mitch Mcconnell easier. We dont know how they are going to perform. We havent seen that yet. And these two performances are going to determine so much about whether we do hear more testimony or see more documents. If it does change any of the calculations. Do you think the white house and Mitch Mcconnell are on the same page . The white house lawyers arent all on the same page. We have seen that today. So i think that remains to be seen. But i think what will happen is youre right about the case being made to the American People. The political case being made by the president at the psalm time the democrats are focused on making a legal case. They have the impeachment managers who are lawyers and former prosecutors, former police chief. It depends on who the audience is. Is the audience convincing the American People or the audience trying to get the four potentially swing voters within the senate to do things like allow witnesses and go with them on the motions that they are going to be putting forward. You have to make different arguments to appeal to both things. Thats the fine line they will have to watch walk. Outside of washington, where we are living in this constant impeachment fight, theres a growing argument between senator Bernie Sanders and former Vice President joe biden this time over Social Security. We have been following the campaign and joins me live from manchester, New Hampshire. You look cold. I normally would be out and about in iowa and New Hampshire. Also cold, but this year were still here in washington covering this impeachment trial. What have we missed as to the what are the really the final days before critical voting begins. Reporter its crunch time that were seeing right now. The latest that we saw was this weekend between joe biden and senator Bernie Sanders. It was on saturday when in response to a question from iowa voter, Vice President booiden demanded an apology from the Sanders Campaign. He claimed that the campaign has been sending around a doctored video of him supporting cuts to Social Security. Now theres no doctored video that we have seen, but the Sanders Campaign for weeks through the staff have been sending around different tweets and videos suggesting that biden has been a little too cozy or too willing to entertain cuts and reforms to Social Security program. And thats what Vice President biden took issue with. One of those videos was misleading it out of context. But if we take a step back from this back and forth over the video, this is the debate that the Sanders Campaign wants to get into, especially 15 days until the iowa caucus. It helps them shift the attention away from the back and forth with Elizabeth Warren. You remember it was this week when they were going back and forth arguing essentially over who lied about the other on national television. And it helps the campaign focus the attention squarely on Vice President biden, which is their top target. In addition, it helps senator sanders focus on a key voting group that he doesnt do well. He does well 35 years and younger, but older voters who care about Social Security, he doesnt do as well with those voters. Thats why they are willing to have this conversation. Thats why the advisers have been turning attention to bidens comments on Social Security. And thats why this kind of has been a debate over the course of this weekend here in New Hampshire and other early states. Its a great point. I remember being on the Bernie Sanders trail in 2016. I am thinking of you, as you head towards these start voting. Thank you so much. Lets bring in somebody who has represented the state of vermont alongside senator and current president ial candidate Bernie Sanders. Former vermont governor peter shumland. Its great to have you on the program. Its great to be with you. Sir, you have endorsed joe biden. I just want to be clear about that with viewers. We noticed in particular something that you wrote about in the past few days as Bernie Sanders has been arguing with Elizabeth Warren. Shaq just lid out for us. You wrote about that. What i have seen in politics is he and his team feel they are holier than the rest. What youre seeing in the end, if he considers you a friend like Elizabeth Warren, bernie will come first. Thats the pattern we have seen in vermont and now we are seeing that nationally. Those are pretty sharp words. Do these words that you wrote about warren also apply in the spat between biden and bernie over Social Security . I think its another example of exactly what we dont want to happen in this race. Theres never been a time in my lifetime where we have had a president of the United States where things could be so bad. And i think the one thing that could really kill us here is if democrats progressives start fighting with each other. Last we saw bernie go out and say, hey, first they sound on talking points saying they are going to portray Elizabeth Warren as corporate and bureaucratic. Only representing the elite. They got caught doing that and tried to become away. Next thing, the women cant win president ial races. Kind of astounding. This week you see them going after joe biden. Joe biden has fought for Social Security and medicare as all democrats have. If he was going to undo Social Security or medicare, he and president obama would have done that while in power. This is not an unknown candidate. This is absurd. Theres no one that cares more about ensuring. The point is the one thing that i have known about this race is lest look at whpd to h1n1. Bernie and the team, went out of their way to portray Hillary Clinton who has been a graets public servant. As corporate and untrusty. Donald trump ran with it. A gift to donald trump. He won an election he never should have won. Now we have a replay of that in the last few weeks whether going after your friend Elizabeth Warren or going after joe biden who served the public for so long. What concerns me is what were help iing is we cannot afford t do that. Whats the difference between bernie and other candidates, its pretty simple. He will be the first to tail light you hes not a democrat. Hes aulgs seen Many Democrats as only sharply better. My point is we have to contain it. What does this say . I take your point. There was a lot of anger among many people who have been with the Democratic Party for a long time. There still is about bernie around this. But theres a lot of enthuse yampl and excitement for him among a bunch of voters who were not part of the process and listened to comments like yours and say, hey, this is politics as usual. Thats in the what im interested in signing up for. What do you say to those voters . What i say is thanks for coming into the process. We need you. Thank you, Bernie Sanders, for helping to bring folks in. Im not antibernie. All im saying is the one thing that can garn tee a donald Trump Victory is if we let Bernie Sanders or any other democrat attack each other instead of going after donald trump. You dont see Elizabeth Warren whacking away merciless ly at je biden and other democrats. You dont see amy doing it. We have got to be sure that at the expense of winning a revolution, we dont reelect donald trump. Thats what should concern all of us together. What i say is listen, theres never been a time. We have joe biden president is more important. We have to put this country back together again. We all agree. All the people running. We have to expand medicare, thot destroy it. Thats what joe biden cares about. We all agree we have to lift up Social Security and not destroy it. Its very clear from the comments that were made by joe biden about paul ryan and is that dialogue that biden was fight for getting rid of the taxes for the rich and helping those that need help. Thats where he stands. Governor, thank you so much for your time. We appreciate it. We have much more to come tonight. But i think we have to go live now to the Senate Minority leader Chuck Schumer speaking live. Senators swore to do impartial justice in the impeachment trial of President Trump. In the coming days, Senate Republicans are going to face a choice. Will they take their cues from the white house as leader mcconnell clearly stated and engage in a coverup for President Trump or will they in this most sacred of undertakings prescribed by the constitution vote for a fair trial with witnesses and document ls that a allow all the facts to come out. The charges are serious. Lets make no mistake about it. If a president can interfere and get if a president can get a foreign power to interfere in our elections and determine the outcome, that is against the whole the American People should determine who their president and senator and congressmen are. Not a foreign power. In that starts to happen, our democracy is in peril. The fundamental democracy that has blessed this country for 200 years. And second, can a president so stone wall that no information about serious charges comes out. Again, thats totally against what the founding father stated. It was up to congress to impeach. It was up to congress to determine documents. Theres no executive privilege here. And in fact, since the president has talked about everything thats happened, any claim of executive privilege is gone. The president is afraid of the truth. Most americans, my guess is even republicans know what the truth is. And know hes hiding it. We democrats aim to get the truth and make no mistake about it. We will force votes on witnesses and documents. It will be up to four republicans to side with the constitution to side with our democracy. To side with rule of law. And not side in blind bee to suppress the truth. In my judgment, he probably thinks hes guilty. Today i read the house managers brief. I was in washington today. It was smart, thoughtful, sharp, laid out a compelling case and reflects the serious nature of the charges. Then i read the president s councils response to the summons. It read more like a transcript of one of his campaign rallies. Where six pages of tweets rather than a legal defense. Instead of a legal document, it seemed like a rant. I hope for the president s sake when their brief is released tomorrow its better than that. Its not just screaming and jumping up and down and pounding the table. But it actually answers some questions. As we know since the president was impeached in december, additional explosive information came out. Michael duffy in an email 90 minutes after the president ial conversation said hide it and keep it hush hush. And in a later email, he said that it was from direction are from the president to withhold the aid. A New York Times story that detailed who were the four people who most knew exactly what happened sglsh were going to keep listening into the minority leader. Well bring you news as we get it. We have so much more to come tonight. Will Congress Investigate Major League Baseball again . This time over a scandal that hz already cost three managers their jobs. Were so fortunate to have Mike Barnacle here for this one. And later bill clintons impeachment will in many ways be the model for how this one gets handled in the senate. Now another arkansas goov north joins me live. He was one of clintons impeachment managers. Thats all ahead on kasie d. C. S thats all ahead on kasie d. C. E and help keep you active and wellrested. Because hey, tomorrows coming up fast. Natures bounty. 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Use caution driving or operating machinery. Tell your doctor if youve had Mental Health problems. The most common side effect is nausea. Quit smoking slow turkey. Talk to your doctor about chantix. Welcome back. Should witnesses testify during President Trumps senate trial . A similar debate played out during bill clintons impeachment. Shouldnt the jurors who must finally decide the guilt or innocence of the president of the United States have the opportunity to hear the testimony upon which they must cast their vote . Shouldnt they have the opportunity to ask questions through Justice William rend kwis. Shouldnt they hear lawyers cross examine the witnesses for efds . Or should we merely leave the nagging questions unexamined . Join iing me now is the impeachment manager who wrote that oped in the New York Times former congressman and Current Governor of arkansas asa hutchinson. Its good to have you. Good to be with you. Can you explain to our viewers why there should or should not be witnesses in the case of President Trump, considering what you had to say during president clintons impeachment . We made the case for witnesses and the president clintons impeachment trial. We were following the same procedure this year, which means both sides have an opportunity to present their case. The house managers as well as the president s defense team and then after that, which is what they did during the clinton impeachment. Then you file a notimotion to dismiss or make the decision to go on to witnesses. Buts senator shoochumer just ma his case for witnesses. Thats the case you have to make over the next two weeks as the house managers present their case. They have to show its constitutionally sound. That its a high crime and misdemeanor and the facts are there. And then the senate will make a judgment. But they are try ing ing to getd of the game. They will be playing games on tuesday filing motions to make judgments before they actually present their case and make a decision by the senate as to where to go from there. Would you like to hear from former National Security adviser john bolton in the course of this impeachment trial . I can see where he would have relevant information that pertains to what happened on the call with the president of the ukraine. But you have to first look at every allegation that the house has made, House Democrats have made. In my judgment, it does not arise to a high crime or misdemeanor. You can say thats not an ideal call. I dont think i would want to vote for a person that made that kind of suggestion on a telephone call with a foreign leader. You can make that judgment, but its not a basis to remove somebody from office. So while people might be curious as to what others will say, you have to determine whether its relevant and whether it could lead to information that might constitute a high crime and i dont believe it does this this case. Do you think President Trump did anything wrong . I have said before that thats not an ideal call, in my judgment. It was a congratulatory call that turned into a discussion about investigations. So that kind of thing should have been handled by the attorney general. But no, thats not the kind of call i would like to see made. But at the psalm same time, again, i listened to the house testimony. I have read the house brief. And i think they are going to have to lay out the case and try to persuade them that theres opportunity that should be opportunity for witnesses. Lelt me emphasize theres two big differences as to what happened 20 years ago. One, there was a more complete investigation on the house side. Theres not in this case. Secondly, here we survived a motion to dismiss filed by robert bird, that led us to witnesses. Lets see if they meet that same birdie of proof. Sir, one last question before i let you go. What advice do you have for the house managers in this case . There are very few people who can say they have ever done this before in the history of the republic. You are one of them. Several of them will be come ing to the floor of the senate coming up tuesday or wednesday. What did you learn when you did it that you would advise, even though they are members of the opposite party, on how to go forward . Stick with substance, avoid political inferences. I think this is particularly important for the lead manager, mr. Schiff, that hes got to present this in a substantiative, factual way. And try to even though its a political conversation, its a political judgment the senate will make in the end. I think the house managers need to approach it like a federal prosecutor or like someone presenting a case in a courtroom. I think thats what will be most appreciated by the senate and set the right tone for the American Public. Its going to be a lot of hard work for them. They have on both sides really topnotch lawyers. And well see where it goes. All right, governor, thank you very much part for your time. I appreciate it. Thank you. We have much more kasie d. C. Coming up next. Well be right back. More kasie d. C. Coming up next well be right back. As a caricature artist, i appreciate what makes each person unique. Thats why i like Liberty Mutual. They get that no two people are alike and customize your Car Insurance so you only pay for what you need. Almost done. What do you think . I dont see it. Only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Can be a sign your feeling digestive systemhed down isnt working at its best. Taking metamucil every day can help. 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We want to talk a little bit about what we heard from asa hutchinson, former impeachment manager. Not the House Republican talking points. Talking points that people have tried, but quickly walked them back. He said what a lot of normal people thought we were going to hear. That was bad. I dont think its impeachable. The president has shown no tolerance for that. On the sunday show and said just that. And got hammered for it. Had to walk it back. This is what eventually democrats in the 90s got to with bill clinton. I dont approve of what he did, but i dont think its impeachable. Donald trump does not allow the slightist bit of criticism. So when he goes back and hammers members, hammers people back home. Theres no room for that. And thats the type of thing you rarely hear anymore. It should be obvious. That was not a good call. But nobody says that in washington. At least on the republican side anymore. Its interesting that he outside of the washington bubble here is able to say that. The argument your going to hear a lot here that you didnt hear in clinton, because he wasnt up for reelection. The most compelling argument that republicans have is they are going to be point to the fact theres an election coming in ten months. Maybe its not our job to decide the fate of this president. We should leave it up to the country. Thats the spot that a lot of republicans will land in. They are going to say, i dont want to get ahead of the electorate. They made similar comments. Thats the landing spot where republicans think they can say that and not completelying a degree vat the white house. Sdwl it does seem rather common sense. This is where we landed with bill clinton. The behavior was bad, but perhaps if youre a democrat, you dont think he should be impeached for it. The country seem ed ed to rewar him. The Approval Ratings went up. But we are seeing a different strategy for most washington republicans. A little i think we were all a little surprised to hear hitchen son say that was bad, even if i dont think he should be impeached for it. The argument that brendon pointed toward is the note that you hear when you engage people in conversation about the potential impeachment. Many of them dont understand what did he do that was really wrong. Hes absurd, hes foolish, hes loud, hes ignorant, but really did he do anything wrong . They dont grasp the seriousness of what he did. But its taken hold. And the significant percentage of the American Public. The thing that obviously popped into my mind during the discussion here is what would have happened to bill clinton had twitter existed 20 years ago. Because twitter drives so much of this argument on both sides of the argument. But more important than that, i think it deprives us of an Attention Span that we had 20 years ago that doesnt exist today. I think youre right. And im shifting through here because one of our producers found a clip from peter bakers great book the breach talking about how clinton would sit at the white house at 11 00 p. M. After a day of watching all these hearings firing off phone calls to people just wanting to talk about the whole thing. That seems to be rather similar, you can see it on the screen here. The concerted effort to protect the image of a president focused on the job was something of a faca facade. They walk through here what clinton would actually do. Not unb like the current president of the United States. As you point out, no twitter for bill clinton. So it was all kind of kept private. There also has been conversation today about who will testify and whats going to happen during the senate trial. Theres one particular exchange from a sunday morning show this morning that for a moment brought us back to the basics. Hear is richard shelby. Setting aside whether its an Impeachable Offense dorks you think it was proper for the president to solicit foreign interference in the the election . I dont know that has been actually proven. Thats all in dispute of what happened when the russians were involve d in it. Whether ukrainian bs r were involved in it, who was involved and to what extent. But i have never seen anything that where trump actually was involve involved. I asked if it was okay to solicit. We have seen the president ask to get involved. Ask the chinese to get involved. Well those are just statements political. They make them all the time. So its okay . I didnt say it was okay. I said people do things. Things happen. This is the president of the United States. Its still the president of the United States is human. Hes going to make mistakes of judgment and Everything Else. They have historically, both parties, both from the beginning of our republic. Kimberly atkins, to an earlier point, this is what we have gotten used to hearing from republicans. They are so afraid to criticize the president on any of this. Thats what you get when you take the talking point away this was something that shouldnt have done or wish he hadnt done it, but its not impeachable. You have to defend the behavior. So its either the president made a mistake, didnt know what he was doing, hes human. Or that the aid was never really withheld. You see them twisting themselves in circles on the facts of the situation to try to explain it in a way in order to not run afoul to what the president might want them to say. It also explains why they would limit access to senators of the impeachment process. Because when you engage senators in these conversations and ask those questions, they often times sound like Richard Health is pit. They are not comfortable embracing the lines of the defense that the white house has put forward. 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I dont think if there were fewer women and we were having these conversations they would have felt as important to come forward with these stories. I dont know if she would have felt that she had the back up and the feeling. You have these historic levels of women in the congress. I think the conversation around sexual assault, the way women are treated in the workplace and everywhere has become more mainstream and normalized. I think that is a good thing that people are more willing to have conversations in the quiet and the dark out in the public. It was all metoo but behind closed doors. Thank you both so much for your insights tonight. Coming up rn, huge news out Major League Baseball. The first female coach on a Major League Staff in baseball history when she was named an assistant for the giants this week. After the break, the other baseball news, a massive cheating scandal is uncovered and now there are calls for a congressional investigation. Thats coming up next. 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Hinch now famous for a very different reason. On monday, hinch and the general manager were suspended by Major League Baseball and then fired by the astros after an investigation by the league revealed details of a sign stealing scheme used by the team during their 2017 championship winning season. The very next day, the red sox parted ways with manager alex cora, who was a bench coach for the astros in 2017 and was implicated in the investigation as well. And then on thursday, carlos beltran, a player on that team, resigned from his post with the mets before managing a single game. Now congressman bobby rush is calling for a congressional investigation. Back with us, Mike Barnacle. My husband is a mets fan. So in our house, the beltran news was particularly at the forefront of the story. But, you know, i find myself i mean, im an orioles fan so baseball has been a terrible place for me to be lately. But what can we take away from this . Obviously this isnt the First Time Congress has had to step in with a Major League Baseball scandal. But amid Everything Else thats going on around the country, its pretty demoralizing to feel as though even americas past time is rigged. Well, first of all, congress should stay out of this. They have enough to do thats important. This is important, but on another scale. You know, kasie, what happened here, when everybody got caught, when it was exposed this week and rob manafort stepped up and suspended people for a year and they got fired as a result of the report that was issued, it was inevitable what happened. Many front offices had been populated by an increasing number of smart sports academic type. And they were focussed on the analytics of baseball. There is no sport, no professional sport that endures its own numbers more than does baseball. They eventually mary analytics to technology and this is what happens. And its sad. Its depressing, but baseball will go on. You know, it was obviously an advantage to many hitters, but they still had to hit the ball. And for people who say no the advantage was such that they were going to hit the ball away, i would say look at a home run derby at the all star game. They know what pitch is coming and they still cant hit the home runs multiple times. Yeah. I mean, is it are we at a point where a scheme like this how much difference do you think it really was making for them . Is this a team that still would have won this championship or not . Thats the most interesting question, kasie. First of all, there are cheaters in the hall of fame. G gaylord perry. Steroid abuse. There are people on steroids in the hall of fame. So cheating has always been part of the game. This advanced technology, analytic cheating is kind of obscene when you think of it. Yeah. And all in terms of pursuit of a competitive edge. But, you know, can they hit the ball . I think the better hitters, a 300 hitter, hes got too much on his mind, focussed in the batters box to really respond to outside signals. It might help a. 260 or. 270 hitter but not as much as a professional hitter. Mike, thank you very much. I really appreciate you sticking with us. Im sorry about the orioles. I know. Luckily, i love the nats as well, but its still sad. All right. Thats going to do it for us tonight here on kasie d. C. We will be back with you next week from 7 00 to 9 00 p. M. Eastern. Coming up, ari melber replays the impeachment of trump. Join us for msnbcs special live coverage of the senate trial. And i will be there in the halls of congress as well. For now, good night from washington. Good evening. Welcome to our msnbc special trump on trial. This week the most high stakes political event in a decade. The senators have taken their oaths and new role as jurors. The house managers preparing their high stakes opening arguments. Donald truls team doing the same. 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