To deal with immigration. But first the senior senator from arizona has endured insult after insult this week. At one point labelled songbird john, a reference to his time as a p. O. W. And while discussing votes for cia director gina haspel who mccain opposes, white house special assistant kelly sadler said, quote, it doesnt matter, hes dying anyway. Heres the white houses apology for those comments. Does the white house not think you need to condemn these remarks or comments again, im not going to validate a leak one way or the other out of an internal staff meeting. Are you saying she didnt say this . Again, im not going to validate a leak out of an internal staff meeting one way or the other. No, no, sorry, heres the white house apology. I think the remarks are awful, but lets look at this in context. That was said in a private meeting inside the white house. Thats not like you might Say Something really nasty about me off the air, it doesnt have
that much impact. You come on air and say it officially thats a problem. This is a private meeting inside the white house, it was a joke, a badly considered joke, an awful joke she said fell flat. You have to have some freedom to speak in a private meeting candidly. Weve all said things in a small group we would never say publicly. Thats not either. Something is clearly wrong with our control room. Hopefully this is actually the right thing, the white house apology. Those comments, whether they were made or not made, some reports in there obviously, too, about the internal workings of that meeting that just shouldnt be made public. Sadler reportedly did apologize to Meghan Mccain over the phone, but still hasnt followed through on a promise to do it in public. And Jonathan Swan at axios reports that huddled Behind Closed Doors with the communications staff, Sarah Huckabee sanders said sadlers comments were wrong. Quote, A Visibly Upset and furious press secretary Sarah Sanders told the group, quote, i
am sure this conversation is going to leak, too. And thats just disgusting, according to a source in the room. Cue, lindsey graham. Are you satisfied with how the white house has responded . No, not really. Its pretty disgusting thing to say. If it was a joke, it was a terrible joke. I just wish somebody from the white house would tell the country that was inappropriate, thats not who we are, and the Trump Administration and john mccain can be criticized for any political decision hes ever made or any vote hes ever cast, but hes an american hero. And i think most americans would like to see the Trump Administration do better in situations like this. It doesnt hurt you at all to do the right thing and to be big. Thats what they could have said publicly on thursday. Word for word, and simply ended this whole thing. Joining me on Set Chief Correspondent for the Washington Post dan balls, Washington Bureau chief for vice news,
shawna thomas. Political analyst eli stokols. Former advisor to jeb bush and former spokesman for boehner michael steele. And joining the conversation from nashville, msnbc contributor and author of the new book the Soul Of America, the battle for our better angels, historian john meacham. John meacham, i want to start with you. The overarching question i have every time this president says anything, it seems, about john mccain, is i wonder does he have any sense of history. No. I could go on if you like. [ laughter ] please, continue. No. No, i mean, its the antijoe biden answer. No, he doesnt. And remember, whats happened here is the presidency has become a Tabloid Media Culture where you throw a punch. If somebody might seem to be about to throw a punch at you, you punch again and again and
again. Its the war of against all. Thats the way trump views the world. Its the way the white house unquestionably views the world because every white house takes on the characteristics and character of the person at the top. Its inevitable. Every, every court since the dawn of time has reflected the character of the person in charge. And unquestionably, this view of senator mccain i think one of the reasons weve had a couple of shots at mccain is because mccain is in many ways the antitrump. He is someone who has served virtually his entire life. Hes a flawed guy. Hed be the first one to tell you that. He has a great sense of tragedy, great sense of history, and understands that hes going to get some things right and some things wrong which, therefore, makes him the untrump. And so i think that President Trump looks at that, i think his people look at that and it makes them uncomfortable. I think the bush family is a lot
like that for them. They see other people doing what they, in their heart of hearts know they ought to be doing, and i think out of that resentment comes this kind of really, not inexcusable because if the person apologized we could move on. But the incapacity to admit you made a mistake is a troubling thing. Dan balls, one of the things that was mentioned also in Jonathan Swans reporting out tonight is this idea that we learn more about what goes on behind the scenes in the Trump White House through these leaks than we would in weeks, months, years of another administration. Having covered many of these are you surprised by the degree of information that comes out of the white house and allows us to learn about things like what was said . Not so much any more. I think at the beginning we were all surprised by how leaky this administration was, certainly this white house was. And part of the reason in the early stages as you well know was that you had real infighting, real faxctional
problems and they were trying to settle it in a public way by leaking. Supposedly that was going to begin to end when john kelly came in. It didnt. It is part of the culture of this white house. People, people want to be able to separate themselves from some of the things that are going on and, therefore, they take it out in public, not by standing behind their own words, but by leaking to reporters. And it is a constant stream which continues to put the white house in a terrible light and situation. And shawna thomas, now that this of course is out there, the white house seems to have a responsibility to be held accountable for this. But they dont seem to agree. No, they dont seem to agree. And i think one of the things that we were talking about, we say a lot of uncomfortable colorful jokes in the newsroom. All of us have been part of newsrooms where you say things you wouldnt want to say in public. When they come out publicly we have to answer for it. The company has to answer for it. Thats the thing that happened here. Something got said, it was off color, and this white house knows its out there. They have not actually said it didnt happen. They apparently arent going with that defense. Therefore they have to Say Something. Instead of us talking about the fact that President Trump helped get three people out of a north korean prison this week, we are starting the show off talking about the fact they denigrated someone who is a war hero. So, theyre getting in front of their own message, too. Right. Michael steele, i have to say ive had well, close to a dozen conversations with republicans since this happened, and republicans on the hill who, yes, john mccain has i could use some very colorful language to describe the feelings people have had at various times about john mccain, what he said, what he did, voted for. Hes kind of a guy who one minute can be joking and really fun, and the next minute can be essentially biting your head off in the hallway because you asked him what he deems to be a stupid question. But right now the entire, the
entire hill is, you know, thinking about this man in the terms of the small place where they work and really lion izing the contributions hes made. Republicans are so angry at the white house for this. John has lived a life of service. They are upset about the leaks. He is an american hero, he is a states man, and he is somebody who deserves respect. At this point, this is the wrong cross to die on. This is a ridiculous position for the white house to stick with. They need to apologize. I could hear my fellow episcopalian. You want to jump in there . There is an old rule, you have to pick which hill to die on. Is this really the hill the Trump White House wants to take bullets on . You just made a really interesting point, which is theyre not calling this fake news, which is interesting. You know, and so i think part of it is they feel if they
apologize, maybe it opens the door to having to actually be accountable for what they do going forward. And thats a hell of a prospect. Is this possibly a situation, john, where, i mean, when Trumps Campaign first started everybody thought that his criticism of john mccake as a p. O. W. Would be the hill trump died on. The lesson they learned, hes not going to die on this hill. That is absolutely right. How you began almost always dictates how you finish. One of the first youre exactly right. One of the first moments where we realized kryptonite the ordinary political kryptonite Didnt Work On Donald Trump was the first mccain comment. And so in their experience, they can get away with taking shots at establishment figures because thats what the base loves. Eli stokols, your view . I think thats right. They look at everything, no matter how sacrosanct, whether its a war hero in the twilight of his life, a Gold Star Family we can revisit that
whole saga as well because its very similar. They dont ever apologize. As john said a few minutes ago, the culture, the organization that starts from the top. Donald trump before he was ever in politics decided im not that kind of person. Im not going to apologize. Nobody at the white house will either. And its true, they have were in this place now of almost absolute tribalism in our politics. And i think that they believe that no matter what theyve said or done, theyre just going to turn around, weapon eyes it, theyre going to look at this and say the elites are trying to scold us, theyre getting on their moral high horse. It is quite a parallel to draw to that situation last summer when you had the Gold Star Family, the president made the condolence call. They said he was upset. John kelly tried to come out and explain it, ended up exacerbating the entire thing by attacking the congresswoman, lying about her background. They just have a hard time getting out of their own way because the president himself can never admit that he or anybody on his staff is wrong. Uhhuh. In that Axios Sneak Peek tonight we were talking about earlier, Jonathan Swan asked some of what he calls the white houses most
prolific leakers and he asked them what motivates them to do it. One of senior officials told him that they usually come after someone loses an internal decision and they want to jen up some public blow back. You have to realize that working here is like being in a never ending mexican standoff. Everyone has leaks, pointed at each ooh its only a matter of time before someone shoots. There is rarely a peaceful conclusion so you might as well shoot first. To cover my tracks, i usually Pay Attention to other staffers i had i don staffers i hdioms and that thrs it off me. Shawna . You dont want to get blamed for something. For sure. But you remember, you covered the Obama Administration as well. We talk about how this white house gets angry about leaks. In the Obama Administration, leaking was a cardinal sin. But it also didnt happen as much. And they would argue, i think, that its because people believed in the boss and they would probably explain the leaking in the Trump White House as in some ways a lack of loyalty. Do you think thats Whats Going On . I think also the obama white house, or people who had worked for president obama, would say that they had each others backs as well. They didnt feel like they were in a, to use the term that Jonathan Swan used, mexican standoff. That they were all in it together and they also, i think, had a pretty good idea of what the boss wanted to achieve with specific goals. And there wasnt as much confusion about what he would want and, therefore, there wasnt as much to leak about, about like internal disputes. I think there is a lot of confusion even when the president talks and tweets, we who are publicly who are publicly getting his information, we dont necessarily know what he wants. And if they dont know what he wants, they dont know who is backing them up. They dont know if theyre backed up by people they work with. It creates a situation where
everyone is scared and kind of willing to talk. I dont sense that with the Obama Administration. I think there is possibly a sense you can use leaked information to influence the president because it gets on television. Right. You get a president who reads News Coverage but not internal memos or documents or goes to meetings and all this. If youre trying to achieve a policy result, the media is often the best mechanism. People were leaking to espn or Something Like that, i dont know. I think so much of this leaking has very little to do with that. Its not like these are Policy Debates and people are arguing those positions. This gets personal. It gets nasty. Ugly. Its petty. And i think the other factor thats true about this administration compared to many others is that most of the people in the white house do not have a long history with donald trump. Most white houses certainly in the first two years are populated by people who had gone through a campaign, who had developed a bond among themselves, who had developed a loyalty to the canndidate and then the president. That is absent in this
administration and in this white house and i think that contributes to it. And weve seen 40 or Higher Turnover already in this administration which is unprecedented. And the dysfunction, the backbiting i think is a big reason for it. Still to come, a historic moment for the president and korea. That was overshadowed by everything we were just talking about. Plus im going to talk with congressman Joaquin Castro who sits on the less than functional house intelligence committee. And as we go to break, a quick note from the sports pages Vladimir Putin scored five goals in his annual exhibition hockey game. Thats down from seven goals last year. Could the 65yearold forward be losing a step . Kasie d. C. Back after this. Mom . Dad . Hi i had a very Minor Fender Bender tonight in an unreasonably narrow Fast Food Drive thru lane. But what a powerful life lesson. And dont worry i have everything handled. I already spoke to our allstate agent, and i know that we have Accident Forgiveness. Which is so smart on your guys part. Like fact that theyll just. Forgive you. Four weeks without the car. Okay, yup. Good night. With Accident Forgiveness your rates wont go up just because of an accident. Switching to allstate is worth it. Which is the only egg good eonly egglands best. With more farmfresh taste, more vitamins, and 25 less saturated fat . Only egglands best. Better taste, better nutrition, better eggs. You wouldnt accept from any one else. Why accept it from your Allergy Pills . Flonase relieves your worst symptoms including nasal congestion, which most pills dont. Flonase helps block 6 key inflammatory substances. Most pills only block one. Flonase. Woman our tempurpedic gives us the best nights sleep ever. Nows the best time to experience
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fox news or other any other Cable News Channel to see any argument that vindicates the president from a television lawyer. Everything were seeing publicly ought to scare the hell out of people in the white house and around the president. 20 times hes talked about the Michael Cohen raid. You covered clinton when he was under siege. Whats it like behind the scenes in the white house when you have a president that is totally preoccupied with Something Like this . Its interesting. On the one hand its debilitating, on the other hand if a white house has a good operation, im not saying this one necessarily does, there is an ability to compartmentalize. There is an ability to do work, theyre preparing for a summit with the north korean president in singapore. Theyre able to do that. If you have a president as obsessed as he is with the Mueller Investigation and the raid and all of that, it makes it entirely difficult for anybody else to really do serious work. And it sets it casts a pall
over Everything Else going on. This president , even more than president clinton, is obsessed with this particular investigation and it consumes him bill clinton wasnt . I think clinton was, but because this president is as volatile as he is and because this president happens to have something called twitter, bill clinton never right. Never had, we are able to see the emotion thats therein side him day after day after day. Instead of it being hidden, okay. It was of course a major week for the Trump Administration in terms of Foreign Policy. On tuesday the president announced hes pulling the u. S. Out of the iran nuclear deal. In the early hours of thursday morning, he welcomed home three americans who had been detained in north korea. And that same morning we learned the date and the location of the summit between the president and kim jongun. And this weak a friend of the show Philip Rucker wrote a piece in the Washington Post posing this question. Can the president s efforts on Foreign Policy erase the
political damage of those scandals facing him here at home . At least one past president hoped that they would for him. Phil pointed to a News Conference that Richard Nixon held just a week after the saturday night massacre. Listen to what he had to say at the beginning. We now come up close to the critical time in terms of the future of the mid east. And here, the outlook is far more hopeful than what we have been through this past week. I think i could safely say that the chances for not just a cease fire which we presently have and which, of course, we have had in the mid east for sometime, but the outlook for a Permanent Peace is the best that it has been in 20 years. John meacham, those comments coming as quite literally the political world around Richard Nixon was crumbling. Absolutely. Ten months later he would be back in san clement ee having
resigned. One of the things about the maelstrom of the presidency and one of the things we know from the nixon tapes is every investigation that poses a potentially existential threat to a president s future is consuming. It just is. But the best ones, even under siege, do manage to remember that they have a job to do, and that if they get that job right, somehow or another, maybe the other stuff goes away or works out. I think the issue now, and trump is very much in this genre right now, the issue now is whether or not he can focus on substantive achievements that in the event Director Mueller comes back with things that Dont Reach All The Way to trump, he can say, i did the peoples business, i made America Great again, whatever it is, while all this was going on. My problem, my suspicion is that he will be less able to do that, in part because, as
mrs. Obama said in the 2016 campaign, the presidency Doesnt Change who you are, it reveals who you are. And President Trump is a puncher, and he just punches. Thats the way he breathes. Yeah, very interesting points. When we come back, congressman Carlos Curbelo joins me live. He and other House Republicans are bucking Party Leadership to get something done on Immigration Policy. Kasie d. C. Back after this. No matter when you retire, ensure you still have income every month of your retirement, guaranteed. See how lincoln can help. Oh very nice. Now im turning into my dad. I text in full sentences. I refer to every child as chief. This hat was free. What am i supposed to do, not wear it . Next thing you know, im telling strangers defense wins championships. Well, it does. Right . Why is the door open . Are we trying to air condition the whole neighborhood . At least i bundled home and auto on an internet website, progressive. Com. Progressive cant save you from becoming your parents, but we can save you money when you bundle home and auto. I mean, why would i replace this . Its not broken. Miraclegro guarantees results vo these neighbors whare starting right. His . With rich potting mix and essential plant food for three times the blooms. Success is sweet. Miraclegro. Three times the beauty. One powerful guarantee. The wonderful thing about polident is the fact that its very, very tough on bacteria, yet its very gentle on the denture itself. Polidents 4 in 1 Cleaning System consists of 4 powerful ingredients that Work Together to deep clean your denture in hard to reach places. It kills 99. 99 of odor causing bacteria and it helps to remove stains. Polident should be the first choice of every person that wears a denture, to clean their denture. Of every person that wears a denture, led californias fight ofor clean, renewable energy. Or
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News Conference, essentially saying he does not agree with the tact that you are taking with your colleagues. Have you spoken to Speaker Paul Ryan and what do you have to say in response to him . The speaker is a friend. We spoke numerous times right up until the point where we filed the Discharge Petition. And what i would tell him is that no one here is interested in a spectacle. We are interested in having a debate. We are actually interested in answering the president s Call To Action in september of last year when he challenged congress to come up with a bipartisan solution to this Immigration Question in our country. Every time the Immigration Issue comes up, congress if not congress, the house responds with paralysis and were tired of that. We want to have a debate. We want members to bring their bills to the floor. And, by the way, this Discharge Petition process is probably the most constructive ever because were not bringing forward one bill. Were offering the opportunity for four bills to come to the floor including one that is backed by immigration hard liners, and another that would be drafted and filed by the speaker of the house. So, were actually offering all members the opportunity to participate in this debate and to convince their colleagues. And, yes, our goal is also to get a law passed, so we would like to pass something that this president can sign. Congressman, how angry are you with House Leadership for they have essentially chosen the views and path of the right wing of the House Republican conference on this issue, over those of you wlho are facing vey tough districts who care about this issue and have different feelings . Well, the most Frustrating Parliame part is the speaker says he wants a bill the president will sign. But in order for the president to sign a bill, it needs to get to his desk and that means it needs to pass the house and it needs to pass the senate with 60 votes. The bill that they have invested, i would say wasted months whipping is a bill that probably cannot pass the house because if it could it would have come to the floor already. And certainly cannot pass the senate. So, what i would argue and i have argued to the speaker is lets get a bipartisan bill done. I think hes coming around on that. And the process that we have proposed offers him the opportunity to file such a bill that can get the president s support. And by the way, lets be clear here. The white house has put in paper a proposal that includes a path to citizenship for nearly 2 million young immigrants brought to this country as children known commonly as dreamers. So, the president who is without question considered the most hard line Public Figure on immigration in this country, is that that position, the process that hes some of these house conservatives have proposed of a
bill is completely divorced to what the white house has put forward. Im glad you brought up the white house because i also want to ask you. You say that the president is perceived to be one of the most the hardest line. But there are some people who work for him who are influencing his thinking who weve seen potentially take a harder line than the president. One of them is john kelly. He made these comments earlier. Lets take a look and talk about it. Let me step back and tell you that the vast majority of the people that move illegally into the United States are not bad people. Theyre not criminals, theyre not ms13. But theyre also not people that would easily assimilate into the United States. They are overwhelmingly rural people and the countries they come from, 4th, 5th, 6th Grade Education is the norm. Theyre coming here for a reason and i sympathize with the reason, but the laws are the laws. Congressman, in your view, should john kelly clarify or perhaps apologize for making those comments about immigrants . I think he should clarify. General kelly lived here in
miami for five years. He knows what an immigrant Community Looks like. He knows that a lot of these immigrants who are in our country may not be may not have college degrees, for example, but they do care for american children. They do care for Older Americans who might be sick. They are fundamental to the lives of a lot of American Families all over this country, not just in miami. Now, general kelly is right in saying that we should not promote illegal immigration, and hes also right in saying that most of these people are good people who want to work in our country. And, by the way, Something Else that general kelly said is that we should provide a path to citizenship for those under the protections of the tps program, which i agree with him as well. So, the point is theres a lot of room to Work Together here. There is definitely an achievable compromise. And what we want is for speaker ryan to allow the house to work its will to build that compromise and to get it to the
president s desk. We have been debating the Immigration Issue in this country, kasie, for 12 years since President Bush first proposed Immigration Reform in 20052006. Lets get something done. We have nothing to show for this debate after 12 years. Congressman Carlos Curbelo, thanks very much for your time. Looking forward to seeing you on the hill this week im sure. This will be very much in the focus in the coming days. Thank you. Thats right, kasie, good night. Meanwhile Immigration Policy aimed at preserving american jobs is instead jeopardizing them on marylands eastern shore. And with them, a beloved, by me and many others who have family who grew up in maryland, a beloved summer tradition. In annapolis, maryland crab season is in full swing as locals and tourists come to take a crack at blue crabs. 80 miles away in Hoopers Island . I take 12,000 pound a day. The heart of the crab
industry is feeling crushed. This is the picking room. As you can see its empty. The island has been using h 2 b visas to hire crab pickers for decades, mostly from mexico. A trump many posed cap on the visas and Lottery System means Hoopers Island is missing an estimated 40 of their seasonal workers. I got lucky obviously, but its not right for this company to have them and the rest of the other companies not to get them. Half a mile down the road, Harry Phillips cant hire enough people. This is the busiest time of the season. Every restaurant wants crab meat on mothers day. Its going to affect us to the point we may have to totally close. In 2016 President Trump won this district by 14 points. In part because of his promise to help American Workers and crackdown on immigration. But now in this community, built around crabbing, nearly everyone is grappling with the consequence. Our businesses very much suffered because of the loss of the people here, the trucks arent running, the boats arent
working. Our hours are less. I voted for trump because he was a businessman. I voted for him because thats what i am. Im a Small Business operator. I just dont think donald trump knows Whats Going On down here right now. Because hes for business, then youre putting businesses out of work here. As people make for the beach, prices forz crab meat are expected to spike. Crab meat will be very expensive. Yep, it sure will because theres not going to be enough around. And the community is asking to save american businesses and an american tradition by protecting migrant workers. Theres no americans that apply for it. No american is going to do that job. I do not have any americans that wants to do this job. Theyre not like the illegal people trying to sneak in. Theyre not illegals. They dont climb over walls. They come here, they work like six, seven months, they go back home to mexico, 99 of them. Still asked if they would vote for trump again, it was a unanimous yes. Yes, i probably vote for mr. Trump right now. I think this needs to be brought to mr. Trumps attention. A lot of companies depend on these people come here that have seasonal jobs. And without them well all be out of business. Its worth mentioning the difficulty with the visas dates back to the Obama Administration. And one more thing. According to the baltimore sun, congressman andy harris says federal immigration officials have agreed to approve thousands more guest worker visas. But maryland is only going to have access to a portion of those and the people who run the plants are saying that it is probably not enough. Some great reporting there by our intrepid producer kendall bright man. When we come back i talk to senator joe manchin about being in the fight of his life in a state that overwhelmingly went for President Trump. Plus, dan balls spent months in the midwest. Were going to unpack his epic report on the voters there and how their opinions are evolving over time. Thats up next. Es right. Es right. But if thats not enough, we have more than 8000 allys looking out for one thing you. Call in the next ten minutes. And if thats not enough, well look after your every dollar. Put down the phone. And if thats not enough, well look after your every cent. Grab your wallet. Beeping SoundComputer Voice access denied. And if thats still not enough to help you save. Oh the new one well bring out the dogs. Mush dogs barking the old ones just fine well do anything, seriously anything, to help our customers. Thanks. Ally. Do it right. Im mark and i quit smoking with chantix. I tried, um, cold turkey. I tried the patches. I was tired and i was fed up. I wanted to try something different. For me, chantix really worked. Along with support, Chantix Varenicline is proven to help people quit smoking. Chantix reduced my urge to smoke. When you try to quit smoking, with or without chantix, you may have nicotine withdrawal symptoms. Some people had changes in behavior or thinking, aggression, hostility, agitation, depressed mood,
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little bit of a sigh of relief for the gop in one race. Excoal executive and exconvict Don Blankenship was dee veeted in West Virginia by attorney general patrick mori si. I caught up with senator joe manchin to ask him whether he was concerned about the contentious upcoming race for his seat. You either run scared or unopposed. Every opponent i have is a worthy opponent. They wouldnt have gotten to that level if he this werent. They all have smomething to brig to the table. I look at it from a learning curve, if there is something i missed. I never run against anybody, i just run for the office. If people want to run against me because i havent done a good enough job, lets talk about it. Tell me what ive done, give me a Thought Process to the conclusion i vote the way i did. I dont vote because of a Democrat Party or republican party. I vote for what i think is good for our country and what helps the state of West Virginia. I think 36 years of service proves that. Are you confident you can win . Absolutely. And heres let me say this, too, about Don Blankenship. And i have said this. There is only we only have one person on the republican side that was running that was a true conservative West Virginia republican. Ive known Don Blankenship for a long time. Weve had our problems and our challenges with each other. I acknowledge that. But as far you cannot deny the man was not a Pure True Conservative republican and a West Virginian. Did you think the ads that he ran at the end of the campaign were more racist . I dont know you know, i would not i like to think it wasnt. The terms he used how he used them, i would never take that course. And if don felt that that was not he was explaining it from his, his upbringing or basically the culture where he comes from, thats not how we talk where i come from in West Virginia. And don is on that kentucky West Virginia border. I cant say. I have not heard that before in
those italian americans, chinese americans, japanese americans, you know, were all ethnic of some derivative. But the way it was said, it was taken in the connotation it might not have been flattering to a person who is a proud american no matter what their descent may be. Is there any circumstance you would take a position in the trump cabinet instead of seeing your election bid through . You know, i looked i want to serve the state of West Virginia, the people of america. I really dont so youre all in on your reelection no matter what oh, i am. Im here to fight. I know im in a fight. I know how it is. I know my state has changed but the state knows me. They dont look at joe manchin as a democrat, they look at joe manchin as an american. I hope it stays that way. He talked to chuck todd and what he said about mitch mcconnell. I dont condone any of that, i think its horrific. It would of course be an
understatement to say mansichins in the heart of trump country. Dan balls, loyalty and unease among trumps base in the midwest. Dan spent the past 15 months tracing the arc of how trump voters in formerly democratic strong holds view this presidency. Dan, what a project to be able to have the chance to spend so much time doing this. What was your overall take away about where these voters in the midwest who gave this election to donald trump feel now about his presidency . I put them into three categories. The first category is still allin. Thats a significant percentage of the people who voted for him. They think he speaks to them, of them, for them. They like the policies hes trying to put in place and the degree to which they think hes not been successful they blame others. Its somebody elses fault. Right. They think hes doing what he was promising to do and they believe that in the end hell be as successful as the swamp will
allow. There is a second category which i would say is not that big, but these are people who voted for him and theyve had it. They theyve watched him in action. They dont like what they have seen. More in terms of the way he conducts himself, and they say, i wont vote for him again. And then there is that group in the middle. I think these are the people who really hold the key to his future. These are what i call the conflicted trump supporters. They backed him, they may not have been for him initially in their republican primaries. Many of them werent, but they decided he was better than the alternative, hillary clinton. They thought that he would shake things up. They wanted change. But as they have watched him, theyre unnerved by the way he handles himself. Nobody likes the tweets. Or almost nobody likes the tweets, we know that. It goes beyond that. Its a sense of a presidency that is so volatile that he doesnt have control of his own emotions. And as one of them said to me, we kind of know how this kind of thing ends and it doesnt necessarily end well. What do you think that this means for republicans who are facing voters here in a handful of months . Its hard to say. Its the hardest question for me to answer, is to extrapolate from what people think about donald trump at this point. I would say two things. One is we know from president obama that its very difficult to transfer your coalition to a group of republican candidates in a midterm election. Sure. So thats one thing. I think the other is the degree to which you have people who are conflicted about donald trump, how enthusiastic are they going to be to turn out in the fall. Some of them will be. You know, theyre loyal republicans and theyre going to go out and vote republican, but others may not be. Thats the hard part for me to measure. Shawna thomas, what is your key question in this context is this i think you said the smallest
of your three buckets is the people who said im done with donald trump. How republicans use that in 2018, how far can they go for the president or against the president . It seems like he still has a lot of people who are in his corner who think he will make their lives better. Did you get any sense from people if a republican tries to run a little bit against President Trump and chart their own path, will that be successful . I think thats a perilous course for most of the republicans. And you see very few republican candidates doing that. Willing to do that. One of the people i talked to whos been active in the party over the years said he sees two groups of republicans now, those who are running for office, theyre behind donald trump and theyre promoting donald trump and theyre trying they may not be exactly like donald trump, but theyre not trying to put any distance. Then he said there are others who are uncomfortable with trump. And he said theyre kind of theyre pulling away from the party a little bit. Theyre less active in the party. So, thats the difference. I mean, this sort of i will call
it this middle group. Some are conflicted but still with him because of the policies, and some are conflicted and theyre much less with him because of the conduct. They havent broken with him yet. Most of them dont say, im not going to vote for him. I dont know where theyre going to be in 2020. As i said, its very difficult to know exactly how theyll turnout in 2018. Dan balls, thank you so much. Thank you. Appreciate it. Very much enjoyed, commend the report to all of you as well in the Washington Post. Shawna thomas, eli stoke always, michael steele, great to have you. Kasie d. C. Is back right after this. Most pills only block one. Flonase. So lionel, what does 24 5 mean to you . Rade well, it means i can trade after the market closes. Its true. So all. Evening long. Ooh, so close. Yes, but also all. Night through its entirety. Come on, all. The time from sunset to sunrise. Right. But you can trade. From, from. From darkness to light. Youre not gonna say it are you . Let someone else do the heavy lifting. Tripadvisor compares prices from over 200 booking sites to find the right hotel for you at the lowest price. So you barely have to lift a finger. Or a wing. Tripadvisor. What we need in the United States is not division, what we need in the United States is not hatred, what we need in the United States is not lawless but is love and wisdom and compassion toward one another. And a feeling of justice to those who still suffer within our country, whether they be white or whether they be black. That was newly declared president ial candidate Robert Kennedy speaking on the back of a Flatbed Truck in indianapolis on the night that dr. Martin luther king jr. Was killed in 1968. Its just one of the countless historical snapshots included in john meachams new book, the Soul Of America the battle for our better angels. And john, theres no question that this president is blowing through norm after norm after norm. These structures that have defined and kind of held our government together. My question for you is, how resilient is our country . How did you you walk through that in some ways in this new book. Were incredibly resilient. And were going to get through this. My message, my argument from history is not a partisan point is not that we should relax because weve gotten through tough times in the past. Its that we have to get to work and learn from what happened before and how we got through it. In many ways, the presidency has been a force for good. And sometimes its been a force for ill. And if the presidency is often the table or on the wrong side of history, then its up to the people, its up to the press, its up to the congress, its up to the courts, to answer what lincoln called our better
angels. We always become stronger the wider we have opened our arms. And that is not a partisan point. Whenever weve looked at the jeff jeffers jeffersonian insertion, the more stronger our country has become. Theres a white ethnic politician, a boston Irish Catholic speaking to an africanamerican crowd in indianapolis telling them that he was breaking the news to them that Martin Luther king had been assassinated. That was from his heart. And i would hope that we all have the same capacity in our hearts and despite the tweets and despite the chaos that we stick to those angels, we make the case, we protest, we resist and we move forward. You like to say that character is destiny. What do you think of the character of President Trump . How does that stack up to the character of those who have led
before him . Well, everyone is flawed. We live in a fallen world. It is not perfectible. We seek a more perfect union. It is unquestionable this is the most unconventional. And, in many ways, perhaps the most volatile president we have ever had. These are perilous times. Again, not arguing that we have cultural zoloft from history. But we can look back and see that the country was not always what we wanted it to be and we have to keep working. The book is the Soul Of America. Im sorry i dont have it in studio, its already home on my bookshelf to get started next weekend. Thank you so much, jon, for your time tonight. I really appreciate it. In our next hour, the Trump Administration prepares to open the new American Embassy in jerusalem as tensions flare. Well talk to israels ambassador to the u. N. And the kasie dvr. Our producers watch the shows with their mothers so you dont have to. We know the value of trust. We were built on it. Back when the country went west for gold, we were the ones who carried it back east. By steam. By horse. By iron horse. Over the years, we built on that trust. We always found the way. Until. We lost it. But that isnt where the story ends. Its where it starts again. With a complete recommitment to you. Fixing what went wrong. Making things right. And ending Product Sales goals for branch bankers. So we can focus on your satisfaction. Were holding ourselves accountable to find and fix issues proactively. Because earning back your trust is our greatest priority. Its a new day at wells fargo. But its a lot like our first day. Wells fargo. Established 1852. Reestablished 2018. He eats a bowl of hammers at every meal he holds your house in the palm of his hand hes your home and auto man big jim, hes got you covered great big jim, there aint no other so, this is covered, right . Yes, maam. Take care of it for you right now. Giddyup hi this is jamie. We need some help. [fbi agent] youre a brave man, your testimony will save lives. Mr. Stevens . This is your new name. This is your new house. And a perfectly inconspicuous suv. You must become invisible. [hero] ill take my chances