Plus, senator mark warner talks russia, virginia, and points in between. And later on, congressman joe crowley with a look at how the party can rebuild on tuesdays win to start redrawing the map in favor of democrats. And i talk with republican congressman Steve Scalise whos on the mend and praising the men and women who saved his life on the baseball diamond. At this hour the president is in the philippines. He has praised that countrys president Rodrigo Duterte despite his bloody crackdown on drug use in the country. Its a trip in which President Trump saw 11 nations go around him with an agreement on pacific trade. It was one where he once again undermined the conclusions of the American Intelligence Community that, indeed, russia did interfere in the 2016 election. Once more, President Trump met with russian president Vladimir Putin and once more he did not forcefully make the case for protecting the integrity of american elections. President trump talks to reporters saturday and i think its worth walking you through a good chunk of the pool report that came out of this. The president said of Vladimir Putin, quote, he said he didnt meddle. He is a i had he didnt meddle. I asked him again. He said he didnt meddle. I asked him again. He said he did not medal in our election. A reporter followed up and asked, do you believe putin . The president said back, quote, well, look, i cant stand there and argue with him. Id rather have him get out of syria to be honest with you. He just every time he sees me, he says, i didnt do that. I believe, i really believe that when he tells me that he means it, but he says, i didnt do that. I think hes very insulted by it, if you want to know the truth. And heres what the president said about the intelligence assessment that russia did meddle in the election. And then you hear its 17 agencies. Well, its 3. One is brennan and one is whatever. I mean, give me a break. Theyre political hacks. So you look at it, i mean, you have brennan, you have clapper, and you have comey. Comey has proven to be a liar and hes proven to be a leaker. President putin says he had nothing to do with that. Then there was a series of tweets defending the merits of a Good Relationship with russia and then the president said this. Im surprised that theres any conflict on this. What i said there is that i believe he believes that and thats very important for somebody to believe that. I believe that he feels that he and russia did not meddle in the election. As to whether i believe it or not, im with our agencies, especially as currently constituted with their leadership. I believe that president putin really feels and he feels strongly that he did not meddle in our elections. What he believes is what he believes. What i believe is that we have to get to work, and i think everybody understood this that heard the answer. We have to get to work to solve syria, to solve north korea, to solve ukraine, to solve terrorism. For more on this, all of this, i want to bring in our panel. Nbc News White House correspondent jeff bennett who started this week. Welcome to the nbc news family. Thank you. Nbc news analyst rick tyler and National Political reporter for the New York Times younssh alcinidor. Ken delaney. Ken, i need to start with you on this. I had to read us through everything that happened on air force one partly because we werent more entirely, we werent allowed to use the audio from the first set of comments. I was sitting there flipping through that and then listened to what the president had to say later. It didnt seem like he was actually walking back what he said initially when he did appear on camera about russian meddling. Lets call it a halfhearted attempt to sort of respond to the criticism, and the criticism, kasie, has been about as intense as i have seen it. The reason is, i cannot convey enough how outside the norm what he did in terms of was in terms of criticizing these former intelligence officials, who are career officials. I mean, James Clapper and john brennan may be democrats, i dont know, but they served president s for decades. They have killed more terrorists than anybody in the trump white house, and what they see is a President Trump being played like a violin by a former kgb officer, Vladimir Putin. You know, what trump said about the three intelligence agencies can we fact check that . Absolutely. Its been fact checked before. I fact checked it. Its the big four intelligence agency, fbi, nsa, cia and office of director of National Intelligence that signed that intelligence assessment on russian interference. It wasnt 17. Some news organizations have misreported that and rightly have corrected themselves, but the reason the other agencies did not sign on is they dont deal with this issue explicitly. Like, for example, the Coast Guard Intelligence agency is not concerned with russian hacking but the important thing to remember is none of them dissented. You had the state department dissenting. There was no dissent. This was delivered with high confidence which is about as strong as the u. S. Intelligence community can say anything, kasie. Rick tyler, ken mentioned norms and blowing through them. I feel like the list is piling up. It was such a cringe worthy moment. The president should not be asking Vladimir Putin whether he hacked into the elections. He should be telling him he hacked into the elections and putting him on notice that we dont tolerate that. That would have shown strength to putin. Of course, if he asks him if he interfered putin will say, of course i didnt interfere. Im not sure what else you would say if you were Vladimir Putin. Then he had to walk it all back. By the way, its not the political appointees who he wants to be upset with who write the intelligence assessments. Those were the people who were the good guys. Theyre the ones that wrote the report. I think the thing thats happening here is the president hasnt shown an ability to or willingness to at this point separates as it relates to this overall russia question his own 2016 president ial win, which russia committed, a nefarious act, meddling notice election system here. The president has to move forward to separate those two issues. Russia, the kremlin feels emboldened by what happened. We have 2018 coming up. We know from the same intelligence agencies that they plan on interfering in 2020. This is a ploesz ran America First and it seems as though americas almost the last thing when he thinks about what russia could be doing. He would rather him be out of syria. I thought to myself, this is an american election. Were talking about 2018. Were talking about 2020. Were talking about the fabric of our democracy, the elections. People go out and vote and a foreign country, adversarial country is trying to take that over. Im more interested in what his base is in a foreign country. In some ways its problematic because it was entertaining to watch them. What are you talking about to say oh, i clearly hacked. The answer is never going to change. Its problematic. It shows a lot of seriousness on this part. So former cia director john brennan and former director of intelligence, James Clapper, did respond this morning on cnn. Take a listen. He was referring to us as political hacks because he was trying to delegitimize the assessment. I feel very honored to be associated with jim clapper and jim comey. I consider that a badge of honor. I do believe in my heart that the men and women of the Intelligence Community will continue to convey truth to power even if the power ignores the truth. Ken, you cover this day to day. What are you hearing from your sources about the morale inside those buildings, how they view this president and this approach to putin. Look, casey. There are a lot of it in these books, but they are mortgage at this 2350id about his reaction to this russia issue. They know that Vladimir Putin is one of americas foremost adversaries and they show no everything that hes standing up. They see no plans to prevent as jeff was i78d kating, to prevent the next russian hack. Theyve been coming to capitol hill in repeated hearings, the russians are coming again in 2018. Where is the whole plan to prevent it . It doesnt seem to take it very seriously. Rick tyler, how much of this is about 2016 . You do have a lot of republicans were very worried about the impact this is going to have in the midterm elections. Were not ready for that. I think its only going to get worse. Technology is increasing but its with all the facebook and all the social media and its very serious. If you say anything to trump about russia, he immediately defers to Hillary Clinton. It is a shame hes not taking it seriously. In the midterm elections i want to change gears. We have another important story to get to. National republicans are caught in a really fundamental dilemma tonight over Alabama Senate nominee roy moore. Do they stick with him and the baggage of child molestation allegations or do they cut bait and risk losing a Safe Republican Senate seat . On thursday the Washington Post reported allegations that roy moore molested a 14yearold girl when he was a 32yearold prosecutor. Moore said he had no contact with the girl and that the allegations are completely false. Moore spoke publicly dismissing them as nothing but a public attack. To think that grown women would wait 40 years to come before right before an election to bring charges is absolutely unbelievable. Why now . The democrats and the republican establishment know the importance of this election. The special election for the seat being vacated by attorney general Jeff Sessions is expected to be held december 12th. I dont know where to start exactly with what roy moore ris said. This one woman is now telling the story. It seems like republicans are wrestling with whether or not they can decide they believe her or they want to believe roy moore. There are some republicans that are wrestling with that. Mitch mcconnell and other they call them establishment want him to step aside. They want nothing to do with him if hes going to be accused of being a pedophile. I i think theres a u. S. Senator. What that says about society, its kind of up to the viewers. This is someone who is essentially attacking this young woman. This is a political system. In some ways its remarkable. But when you watch the interviews with voters theyre essentially saying the timing is off. That theres so much that people just dont believe. I will say as a reporter, this reminds me when the access Hollywood Tape came out. They said, this is locker room talk. Once people have made up their mind about a candidate, they think anything else that comes out is in some way a political takedown and that they dont want to believe those things. Do you think thats true . Do you think its going to be a senator . I do. Its sort of like a flag on the plane. They play the replay on the jumbotron. Half the stadium says it was a great call and the other half says thats terrible because it hurt my team. The problem is you have what the Republican Party will be sacrificing political for a political win. Thats meaningless. You have to look at this wont go through a legal process. People have to decide whether they believe the way the story came about, which seems that the post went down. Anybody else could have done it. The local papers did it and they asked a local person at the right time and they said, this is what happened. Theyll point to the timing. Jeff, whats the difference between in corporations, hollywood, media theres been a very quick move to essentially throw these people out when theyre accused by Something Like this. It doesnt seem to be the case in politics. If anything is true, i think ray moore saw how the rules of political gravity does not apply to him. He couldnt imagine were more in alabama. Well look at his position and see no reason to get up. He doesnt need institutional support. He never had it. If you didnt want him to be a member of the senate before this broke. He didnt have the president s support. For mike lee, for others, for jeff blake to say ray moore is beyond the pale. Hes appealing to the same set of voters that President Trump appealed to. Theres no way hes getting out. Refusing to obey a court order for which he twice lost his position on the alabama supreme court. Yes. You have to look at that and say, theres no way hes getting out. I think we have this tweet from howard dean, he wants me to say hes writing back to this. These democrats need to get on buses, ill knock on doors. Its the opposite of what we need. If they flood the state some of this indicates this might be a winnable race for democrats. I guess when i look at those numbers i think your registered voters, this is alabama at the end of the day. Its true. Theres going to be a democratic senator, it would be now. I continuously go back to the access Hollywood Tape and i continuously go back to the idea that mitch mcconnell, he might not be able to caucus. That is still oh, youre putting me on the spot. Richard shelby. Of course. Who is still in the senate. No longer a member of the Democratic Party. Very good point. I think we have to wait a year. Still to come we are going to talk about just how much danger this is. Were joined to talk about what we can and cant expect after democrats are out in the country. And a massive of trade de s deals. 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Democrats made huge gains in virginias house of delegates. After tonight three races are still up in the air. Mark warner is emerging in his home state looking for his party to go forward. It was a sweep for democrats, not just at the highest level of government, but across the statehouse. What do you see, whats happened from election day in virginia . I think virginia democrats, we didnt caught up in trying to wheel it against 2016. We had a ferocious primary between a candidate that i endorsed who became our governor, Ralph Northam and tom perry ellow. They endorsed the ticket, worked hard for it. We were successful because i think virginia democrats going back 16 years when virginia was as red a state as any in the nation, when i first won as governor we focused on jobs, health care, education. How to make sure everybody gets a fair shop. What did you see in Ed Gillespies ads . It looks like most voters who cared about immigration voted for him. What tells you that the way that he approached that issue is potentially more in line than most democratic theres not been a democratic seat to be was as wide of a marge begin. Hes won by almost 10 points in many, many decades. If other people want to mimic what we got in 20172018, have at t. Good luck to them. Overall turnout was the highest in 20 years. And northams victory was popular. His Approval Rating in virginia, just 36 accord to go a roanoke politics score. Democrats won. While the majority of the state remains geographically seeking control by republicans. Still, across the u. S. The vast majority of states still have republican governors. Lets bring in house ed tore dave wasserman. Our panel is also still here with us. Dave, i want to talk to you about the likelihood of the house switching parties here. This is calcified in the way things are going. Theres no way the house would swing back into democratic control like it last did in 2006. How realistic do you think it is that democrats could take back the house based on what you saw in the Virginia Election . Very optimistioptimistic. If democrats could do one thing to get their chances, it would be at a blank chip. Democratic turnout was extraordinary on tuesday. Its a continue u woigs of the pattern that weve seen. Democrats have been juiced, republicans not so much so. In 2011 we saw this. With the totality of the evidence, yes, the house is very competitive, but democrats, we see it not by a lot but by a little. By tonight you say by a little. Based on everything weve seen in history, they ought to be. Interesting. You have been following retirement. I think we may have a list of the house members, Republican House members who are already retiring. It is, as you see, a relatively good one. Some of these people are really probably likely to lose, right . Well, i would argue that they were actually probably very popular in their district and their retirements give democrats a boost. Plus i have frank retiring in new jersey. The question is will republicans over the next month decide if i dont want to raise 5 million . The difference that were seeing, no sticks. Its obvious today that democrats are in store for gain and it wasnt apparent back at this point in those election cycles. There is a good chance that the house might flip. There was a lot of naval gazing. Rick, do you read this map the same way . Do you think democrats have a better of taking back the house . I think its totally covered. So when people say eddie gill leps gillespie. It overwhelmed him particularly in northern virginia. It tells him in 18 our members, republican members, dont want to lose the trump base but they also have to know thats not enough. Thats eventually a advice. They know they cant win without him. We see this every day covering capitol hill. They cant get what theyre doing. They would potentially move the general election. Oh, they also found themselves representing the district. So you have some republicans going back to their districts who fundamentally didnt believe in the way health care was written. Fundamentally didnt agree with how faction reform was written and then he had to be faced with constituents and want trump to be so much because i can. I think there is that idea that democrats, you can see it in the smugness of their faces between Chuck Schumers smile and nancy pelosi. They know they are still in trouble but they can feel something changing. Anybody who talks about there is nothing that feel that they were angry at Bernie Sanders or at marc are now et motivated. Nancy pelosi told you that the door is open. Can democrats do that. Good job of willing her complacency. In the red districts democrats did over perform what they should get in a neutral political environment by 8 points. 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We had this mysterious meeting with paul manafort, whos been indicted. They were saying they were offering again dirt on Hillary Clinton, but what we do know and what i think the investigation in a bipartisan way has moved the needle. We do know the russians tried to cancel 21 state Electoral Systems and across the country were raising our guard so that future russian meddling is stopped. Theres enormous concern of how russians used social media in a way to influence the elections. What is the next stage for your investigation . Are americans going to see public hearings with people that they recognize . There are still a number of individuals. Michael cohen, mr. Trumps lawyer. We want to bring him back. We want to bring donald trump jr. In a public way . Some of these individuals, particularly mr. Trump, if hes not part of the government, weve got to give them a chance to have folks hear his side of the story. I still believe we need to have mr. Kushner back before the whole committee, but these are things the chairman and i will work through. Do you still have full confidence in chairman burr or theres some more down . I think its important that we find out who paid for the sealed dossier. We have found out democrats and republicans have paid. No, richard burr and i are working well together. We have a lot of pressure on us. I have pressure from republicans and pressure from the zoom that goes very well. I think for the last close to 11 months weve done well. Lets switch gears a little bit and talk about tax reform which of course is the next big thing on the agenda here. It seems as though Chuck Schumer is rallying democrats to vote en masse against this plan. You were a businessman. Why is this plan so bad for the country . I know we need to simplify our tax code. I know we need to bring our Corporate Tax rates down lower. I know we need to bring those american profits that are caught off shore, bring them back but i know we need to do it in a fiscally responsible way. So you think dont take my word for it. Alan greenspan, a republican appointed fed chair, has pointed out that when youre close to full employment, and we are close to full employment at this point, if you do a major tax cut paid for with borrowed money, that will not lead to growth, it will simply grow the deficit and the debt. For a deficit thats going to choke our grandkids, it goes up 1 percentage point. That adds 150 billion a year. For someone like me thats done very well. For me who has benefitted the most, its a good plan. So youre a no on this also . The way this bill looks right now, im not only a no, im a heck no. And im so disappointed because the country does need meaningful tax reform. We do need to make our Business Rates competitive with the rest of the world. I just wish that my republican colleagues are like, hey, i know about the debt. They also know a quick hit sugar high thats unpaid for that will pay the paper in the end and we should step up. That was senator mark warner. Ken delaney, i want to bring you back in did you learn anything from what he had to say there . Did anything stick out at you . He suggested they might want to call donald trump jr. Publicly as opposed to privately. He would like to do that, right . What i took away from that, hes discussing his cooperation. This would be a much different situation. Im also struck how the Mueller Investigation seems to be diverging a little bit. Mueller, you know, is investigating whether mike flynn, you know, got a payoff from the turkish government. Thats really not a concern to the congressional committee. Theyre investigating purely russia collusion. Theyre really holding the social media companys feet to the fire and there may be a legislative fix needed there in terms of disclosing and when foreign governments are buying ads. I think its important that he acknowledged that hes getting pressure to go farther than he wants to go. I have to hold off people who are not political. Thank you so much for taking the time tonight. I really appreciate it. Youre very welcome, kasie. Coming up, my oneonone conversation with Steve Scalise. Well talk about his long and difficult recovery and whether hes changed his views on gun control. I was given warfarin in the hospital, but wondered, was this the best treatment for me . So i made a point to talk to my doctor. He told me about eliquis. Eliquis treats dvt and pe blood clots and reduces the risk of them happening again. Not only does eliquis treat dvt and pe blood clots. Eliquis also had significantly less major bleeding than the standard treatment. Eliquis had both. 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I spoke to congressman scalise after a ceremony to honor the five officers credited with stopping that june shooting in alexandria, virginia. Whats been the toughest part of your recovery . What are you still struggling to get back to . Well, you know, i love being active. I love playing baseball, baseball, tennis. Im learning how to walk again. I hopefully will be able to wauch one more day to get ouf of it. I just want the push the throttle as far as you can. I get better and focusing on what my doctors tell me. Watching the ceremony and seeing as a recognition for the people that came to your rescue on this day . Well, i got to see firsthand the heroism of our United States capitol police. Crystal and david have been like family to me for a long time. They saved not only my life but the members of a will the of other people and to see the other Police Officers resolved. You said they were out shot. Weve seen so Many Americans who wanted to be killed. It was in face of these weapons of war. Has your experience caused you to have any personal reflection about the politics of this and what should be done about those weapons . Im somebody who strongly believes in the Second Amendment. I got to see first hack when this happened, the shooter would have killed all of us. He wasnt able to do that because we had other people with guns. You saw that text . Horrible tragedy. There were some brave people who came with their own guns to con trobt the shooter and as horrible as his actions hurt, he was able to attend a testimonial. The fact that there are other people who have the Second Amendment protections to themselves and others is critically important. Finally, i watched your piece on 60 minutes and you recall lying on the field and thinking first thick you said you thought is, i hope i can walk my daughter down the aisle. Seems like you you know, maddy is just adding little girl. Youre fighting for your life, youre hearing gunshots. 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Democratic congressman Jackie Speier of california is a cosponsor of the Sexual Harassment eradication resolution in the house of representatives. She recently revealed her me, too, moment on twitter, in an effort to inspire others to come forward. She says she was sexually harassed when she was a staffer. Amy klobuchar said that they should require mandatory Sexual Harassment training for the staff. They will hold a hearing on a Sexual Harassment policy. Yes, they are taking action now. The fact that this is a reality incorporate america that you have to attend these trainings, sometimes we feel like weve spent too much time in these trainings but the fact that theyve had to go on in capitol hill, that tells you where they are coming from on this issue. Congress is so behind the ball on this issue. When you look at the office of compliance and the way that youre supposed to be able to file a complaint of Sexual Harassment, you have to wait three months before you can file a formal complaint and they force to go through mandatory mediation and counseling. Essentially, its like some people dont want to go through this system and its a system set up to protect congress, is what people have said. Theres this idea that congress is just finally starting to realize we should not only tell people that this is a bad thing but where to go if this happens to them. Ive talked to so many people who didnt know that the office of compliance existed until then. And people who dont live in washington are not familiar with how the hill works, the complicating thing about this is that every Congressional Office operates as its own and the culture of the office has a lot to do with that member of congress and senator. And the fact that they have a job means that you have a job. Thats right. Theres no phone Number Phone Number to pick up in the Hr Department because there really isnt one. Next is really overhauling the way in which people can report and have their claims addressed. The challenge i think, rick, too, is that theres potentially a question about whether it casts an aspers persion on your party. Youre seeing that play out with roy moore a little bit. This in a sense, since the Harvey Weinstein thing, theres been a purging i dont know if the thats the right word. I think its a good thing, actually. And its long over ddue. The idea that in the roy moore case, its 40 years. But in a sense, again, we know that they werent asked by the reporters. But again, thats a reason people would come forward is because hes going to be a u. S. Senator and people say nows the time i really should speak up. I think theres two other important things, the point that you make as democrats look at trying to win back the house, if youre a democratic staffer who might be sexually harassed by your boss, you realize you might then be pthreatening your partys interest when it comes to the house. If youre a young staffer who wants to be playing for the team and understands and believes in the democratic ideals but could be working for a creep. The second thing that is important is that these laws doesnt deal with interns or fellows. If you go up to capitol hill, there are people not fulltime staffers trying to get ahead and as of now theres no system in place for you to say, hey, this senator or congressman sexually harassed me. Thats a big area that really needs to be addressed as well. Could potentially be the next shoe to drop in all of this. Thank you for joining us tonight. See you again soon. Welcome to nbc. 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And you think namecalling is helpful . I think that was the president responding to someone who insulted him first. Lets move on to tax reform. The vast majority. But there might be a few outliers. Then came the roy moore store. The allegations graphic in their detail. Allegations of Sexual Misconduct. With a 14yearold girl when she was 32. I would just really like it if he stepped aside. If more evidence comes out that can prove that he did this, then, sure, thats a huge if. If the allegations are true. If these allegations are true did. If the allegations are true. If the allegations prove to be true. If the allegations are true, he should step aside. The whole thing is just crazy. John kasich, i think, perhaps speaking for many in america. Welcome back to kasie dc. Im kasie hunt. Those are some of the stories that dominated the sunday shows this morning. Still on set, msnbc contributor and nbc news political analyst rick tyler and joining the conversation, gracing us with his presence for the first time ever, politics editor at tthe daily beast sam stein. Thank you all for being here tonight. I actually im going to throw my producers for a loop. Sam, before we get into this broader conversation, i want to ask you about this. There is a copy of joe bidens new book in which he relates a conversation he had with barack obama and he said obama was convinced that i could not beat hillary and that he weighted it a little too heavily and the president encouraged him not to run. Well, this is the first time hearing of this and i have to say im not surprised, honestly. Obama well, think about it this way. Biden has run two president ial campaigns. In each president ial campaign, they have not gone well. In the last one, he may have been within like a couple Percentage Points of zero in terms of the vote and theres a reason. Biden is beloved by the Democratic Party. But his resume had all the same problems that clintons resume had and he didnt bring much the crime bill is an example of this. Clinton got dogged on the crime bill. Its things like that, people kind of dplglossed over this st a lot because joe biden is an incredible person and has a great story. But i think obamas judgment on that one was very much right and im very curious to see if biden goes forward and runs. I can disagree. You cant disagree. This is the first five minutes on the show. He was tailormade for joe biden. Let me show you what joe biden had to say about this. Do you think you could have beaten hillary . Ive yes, but it would have been an incredibly difficult race and i have nothing but friendship for hillary. He says yes he could have beaten hillary. He would have beaten her. I dont really think thats this is a silly game but its fun. On what grounds would he have beaten her . What was the pathway that he had that she wasnt going to choke up. Hillary lost the voters that trump eventually gain sdped. Were talking about the democratic primary. Hillarys voting base ended up being very much minority voters. I remember when biden ran in 88. Youre right. They were not good campaigns. Yeah. And polling, to be fair, at the outset showed that he was probably going to lose. Bernie appealed to the sort of working class Union Democratic vote that was there for bernie but even that, people forget this, but bernie lost and came really close but it wasnt that close. 4 million. Absolutely. 4 million votes. You saw bidens speech. Yeah, but everyone loves someone who doesnt run. Ill say this. I would say this really quickly, though. What im not surprised about is obamas assessment. What im surprised about is democrats are having this airing of all of their internal issues. Im watching Donna Braziles book and this is my stance and how the 2016 campaign could have got me, could have really won. In reality, now you guys have to get together and have a party on one page. I will say there was a high place democrat in virginia who said this is great but if it causes us to ignore all of our problems, thats going to be a real issue. We need to talk a little bit about one of these top stories, republicans on the hill undecided about how to proceed and the Washington Post reported that roy moore molested a girl when he was a 32yearold prosecutor. Three other women said that he pursued them when they were teenagers. Republican senators and their advisers in a flurry of phone calls, emails and Text Messages discussed fielding a writein candidate pushing alabamas governor to delay the december 12th election or not even seating moore if elected. A spokesman for alabama governor said, the governor is not considering and has no plans to move the special election for the United States senate. On saturday, in his first public appearance since the Washington Post report, moore denied the allegations against him and vowed to stay in the race. I have not been guilty of Sexual Misconduct with anyone. We do not intend to let the democrats or the established republicans or anybody else behind this story stop this campaign. Some of his supporters have used biblical analogies for their support for moore and senators steve danes of montana and mike lee have pulled their endorsements and last night bill cassidy tweeted, based on the allegations against roy moore, his response and what is known, i withdraw support. The Senatorial Committee has ended its fundraising agreement with moore. Two former republican president ial nominees, john mccain and mitt romney, say moore should quit the race right now. Republican senator bob corker tweeted, look, im sorry, but even before these reports surfaced, roy moores nomination was a bridge too far. But some republicans have been more conditional with a lot of the use of the word if. If these allegations are true . Well, i dont know. Its a devastating, nasty story. If the revelations if thats true, i dont believe that there would be anyplace for him in the u. S. Senate. Would he be fit to serve in the senate if this were true . No. No. If theres any shred of truth, he ought to step aside immediately. Those two clips are from when this news first broke and since then the conversation has evolved into just what might roy moore do to prove these allegations true or false. Mccain and romney are coming out and saying, look, i believe her, i believe this woman. Yeah. Its tough to figure out what the threshold is to prove to their accounts and you have people who knew these women who said its well known that roy moore did this. At some point, i need to know and i think the general public should know and they said yeah, this is true and this is bad. Im more disheartened a little bit by what is happening today, which is the bright paeitbart rs going down to alabama to dig up dirt on the accusers of roy moore. We have a problem with women fearing to come out to say what happened because of a tremendous amount of backlash. People are saying, why did you wait 40 years . Roy moore himself says why did it take so long to come forward . Because you send out breitbart reporters. They were afraid of this happening. Im taken aback by the biblical references, people saying that mary was only a teenager when she got with joseph. This is someone accused of being a pedophile and women who now have to essentially be attacked and defend themselves not just the allegations of whats going on by proving it, by giving contemporary people and saying, i told this person and this person, and now they have to defend themselves personally and what theyve been doing for the last 40 years. I think its really problematic. As a political reporter, were going to have to talk about senator roy moore. Hes on his way to the senate and would be very surprised unless Something Else happens. Now, whether or not they seat him or they give him committee assignments, its a whole other story. I dont think republicans have much that they can do to him. They did the research and and to anishas point, it does seem that this reaction to moore is distinct from culture and Media Corporate america where this has started to happen and people have immediately rejected when there are overwhelming accusations like this and said, no, and i think there was at least some polling that showed that this has no impact or makes people more likely to vote for roy. Theres a lot of things going on here. One is because of the timing and they have tried to say that the media is not reliable and cant trust them so theres that and then you have all of the wrong people and you have bob corker seen as a moderate and you have all of those things coming together and this is not going to be theres going to be no court, no trial, no real witnesses as their testimony so this is going to happen in the political context. People are going to have to make up their mind whether they believe the reporting. And they are already, to your point, fundraising. Again, nbc chuck todd, it felt orchestrated and they are sending out fundraising emails saying because Mcconnell Opposes me on this, you should. Well, we cant ignore the subtext here, which is we went through a 2016 election where 14 women accused donald trump of some form of harassment. And there were certainly reports that he had gone into while miss teen usa locker room or changing there. And he got elected. So they say, yeah, he was accused of roy moore was accused of molesting a 14yearold but he will probably run reelection. I remember being on the road when the New York Times was talking about these women, talking about women who were talking about the president of the United States doing things that they thought was inappropriate. It has a preneesh shous way proving to get out of this, which is deny, deny, deny, attack the accusers and the press and wait until something hits the opposition. The republican woman i was talking to, the other important thing, apart from politics, this is the way my husband is, this is the way that my husband talks. Thats different. Thats american households and what women have to deal with in their own homes. That changes the conversation. Its not just about politics but what people are dealing with. I wonder, too, is that part of what were seeing and weve seen overwhelming numbers of Democratic Women show up in the suburbs of the virginia watching all of this happen and say, this is im not going to stand for this. Right. Sean hannity gave a tough interview of roy moore and it his candidacy should have ended with that interview. He essentially he was asked whether he dated teenaged girls. He said i dont remember. Generally, no. I always asked their mothers permission. It was very strange. Roy moore says i didnt do what they accused me of doing, which is the criminal aspect of it. But all of the people in alabama, the Party Leaders who went on record, none of them seemed to say, no, he didnt do this. They all came up with the mary joseph excuse or some other excuse or absurd things. Some major advertisers have pulled advertising from his show. I want to switch gears because President Trump is starting his day in the philippines. Hes already in manila. He met with president duterte. He said, why would kim jongun insult me by calling me old . When i would never call him short and fat. Oh well, i try so hard to be his friend and maybe some day that will happen. Joining us is the former governor of new mexico as well as Bill Richardson. Governor, thank you for being on the program tonight. Thank you, kasie. Good to see you. Can i ask you first about that tweet . Youre a player yourself in American Relations with north korea. What kind of impact will a tweet like that have on somebody who, by all accounts, seems to be someone who is very unpredictable, an unknown quantity to american intelligence . Well, i always try to Say Something positive about the president s Foreign Policy with great difficulty, but i think so far the north korea aspect of the trip was going decently until this tweet. This is going to really upset kim jongun. Yes, hes insulted the president , too. But the North Koreans are very sensitive to these kind of insults. I remember i was in north korea once when president bush said his father, kim jonguns father was a dwarf and i just never stopped hearing about it. You dont need to do that. I mean, we should focus on finding a dip promat particular solution, not insulting. And the president keeps doing that. He doesnt listen. Its very damaging. Especially in asia when these are saving face issues. I was going to say, thats not something we really deal with much in u. S. Politics but very critical as these relationships unfold. Do you think that at some point this just becomes all part of the noise . I mean, to a certain he can tent, we hear in the u. S. , as we Cover American politics, have gotten to the point where we say, oh, yeah, okay, its just another day. Is that something that could be true here . I mean, the idea that president george w. Bush would make such a misstep, he would be out of character fundamentally. Im not sure this tweet from the president is necessarily out of step from that perspective. Diplomacy is very traditional. Especially in asia. You have all of this pomp and circumstance and tradition and youve got very, very Firm Structure of how you conduct yourself. You dont insult anybody. You find ways to save face, to reach agreements. And i think on the north korea issue, the president did well in getting sensitivity across the board. And you didnt get them to stop Oil Shipments and out of china back in to north korea or finding ways to shut down korean accounts in china that that was a little bit of a setback, although chinas done more. And then to go in and inflame the bilateral nonrelationship with north korea with these insults is just going to add fuel to the fire and its unfortunate. Actually, youre already seeing the North Koreans react to the entire trip. You dont need to do that. I want to ask you about another issue that weve been sorting through on this side of the pacific as the president has met briefly with Vladimir Putin and talked to reporters on saturday night and essentially said, yes, every time i see him, he tells me he did not meddle in the u. S. Election and he believes that very strongly auto the intelligence agencies that assess and in fact they did, what kind of message does this send back here in the u. S. . Does it make it harder for the intelligence agencies to function abroad . Well, it does, because the impression given abroad is that the president doesnt listen to the intelligence agencies. In fact, hes fighting them. And demeaning some of the distinguished leaders of our intelligence committee, republicans and democrats that have served for many years. So it undermines, i think, the threat of american diplomacy. Secondly, it sends a message that he wont attack putin. He wont take putin on. He loves putin. Hes unover wewhelmed by putin. This is an opportunity for him to say, you meddled in our election. You shouldnt do that. Lets Work Together on syria, on getting assad out and onnize to maybe find a way to help on north korea because russia can help us a little bit. They are on the border with north korea and and instead, you know, we get sidetracked by this love affair that america seems to have with Vladimir Putin and siding with him over our own top intelligence officials. That doesnt make sense. 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Its all about bringing balance back to washington and i think thats what we saw in new jersey a certainly in virginia and you saw a 5 increase in the voter turnout and almost double digit victories and that speaks about the concern that the American People have and the direction of our country and i think it modes well for next year. Do you think the chances that you win back the house are better than the chances that you dont . I think the door is wide open. I think that theres probably a better 50 chance that we do win the house back and that would continue to grow. Success breeds success. I know that when we look at the number of excited candidates that we have running all over the country, over 250 have registered and we had some folks in to see that room filled with so many excited individuals who are concerned about the direction and focus of our country and where its going, concerned about the Trump Administration and they have a compelling need to contribute. They feel like they have to help their country and i think thats a very powerful, powerful tool to have. Congressman, do you think that democrats could go too far . One democratic congressman is proposing essentially a vote on impeachment resolution on the floor. Im glossing over some of the technicalities of that. Its been something that leadership has tried to push back against. Can progressives go too far and potentially get in the way of this overall goal . I think theres a growing, growing movement out there that wed like to see something happen here in terms of what theyve been hearing and compromise the elections of 2016. And what i will say and continue to say, Robert Mueller is doing a great job. Hes investigating wherever that may lead. I dont think you can prosecute the president without evidence and i think thats what is really happening here. Let the evidence take it where it will and then congress would have to react to that. So theres a ways to go here. I do think theres a growing sense out there that theres something really wrong with this presidency. Congressman, we played a sound bite of joe biden earlier telling oprah that he thinks he could have beaten Hillary Clinton in the democratic primary. Do you agree with that assessment . I think its a little too easy to go back and play monday morning quarterback knowing the results of the election. Whenever we have a difficult election like we did and we lost, people will say i could have done better. I have Great Respect for Vice President joe biden. I think hes a great, great man, a great american. He would have been a very competitive person in the primary. I still think, though, that Hillary Clinton, in all likelihood, would have ran. Well never know because it never happened. Congressman, who in the Democratic Party is capable of beating President Trump in 2020 . I think there are a number and to put me into that kind of a position was difficult. Suggestions. Any name. Throw out names. I think the great infrastructure governor of our time is governor cuomo. When you look at amy klobuchar, i think shes a fantastic senator. I think senator gillibrand and mark warner and Michael Bennett and joaquin castro. Theres numerous folks out there looking at this that are all qualified and i do think were going to have a very spirited debate. You just gave me the laundry list. I think its going to be a fairly large laundry list of individuals but i think its going to be good and clean laundry as well and see the talent that exists in our party that can help propel us towards winning that election. First next year and that is to bring balance back. Winning back the house of representatives, winning back the senate, well bring that balance to the American People who are really desperate for it right now. Congressman, very quickly, we have to go. Sure. What do you think voters will look for the most coming out of this . Are they going to look for a personality that can stand up to trump or do you think theyll find more appeal in somebody who is quieter or exudes confidence . What is going to be the driving narrative . That is yet to be determined but i do think right now what people are looking for are people who can stand up to President Trump, can expose, you know, even in more detail what hes all about and pull that kurt contin curtain back and the people hes exploited throughout the years to get to where he is, that really speaks volumes and someone who is not only running against President Trump, but as a future for america. And talking about the positive, what americas potential is in infrastructure and providing making sure that everyone has a quality education and everyone has access to health care. Thats the kind of person that were looking for. Its a combination of being able to expose the true donald trump and at the same time set forth an agenda that is a positive agenda, a growth agenda for america. Congressman joe crowley, thank you. A story that in any other news cycle would be getting more attention but it isnt because so much of what is going on. Our segment undercovered is up next. You two had been through everything together. Two boyfriends, three jobs. Youre like nothing can replace brad. Then Liberty Mutual calls. And you break into your happy dance. If you sign up for better car replacement™, well pay for a car thats a model year newer with 15,000 fewer miles than your old one. Liberty stands with you™. Liberty mutual insurance. Youre searching for something. Whoooo. Like the perfect deal. On the perfect hotel. So wouldnt it be perfect if. There was a single site. Where you could find the. Right hotel for you at the best price . There is. Because tripadvisor now compares. Prices from over 200 booking. Sites. 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Senator goes on trial for corruption and yet the case of bob menendez has gone largely under covered. Im a Firm Believer in god. It is that faith that i believe will ultimately render verdict of not guilty and between that faith and my family, ive been a very blessed man. Thank you. The democratic senator of new jersey is facing an 18count federal indictment and is awaiting a jurys verdict. Menendez is charged with accepting expensive gifts, like Luxury Vacations from a florida eye doctor and in exchange menendez used his office to influence business decisions. If hes convicted and forced to resign, new jerseys governor would pick his replacement. The timing here is very important because the current governor, chris christie, is a republican. Come january 16th, the task of replacing men nen des, should that become necessary, would fall to democratic phil murphy, who was elected governor on tuesday. Sam stein, what do we think happens here if he does get con convicted . That puts democrats in a really tough spot and we have we have paid so much attention to this. First of all, again, the context here is bad. Whether or not there was an illegal act, he clearly was the recipient of a donor and overtures made to help that donor. Objectively you could say this sound and smells bad. The problem for the prosecution is that we have now a new precedent that has been set through the mcdonald trial which was essentially you really do have to prove like a very, very concrete quid pro quo in order to get a conviction. If you talk to people about this it looks like it will be a hung jury. Lets put that as the context. Lets say he does get convicted. He does not have to resign. No. The body has to vote and force him out. If enough democrats say, you know what, were not going to take that action until the next governor is seated, then the next governor they may try to force a vote along those lines. Sure. 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Senator bob corker, who had questioned the president s fitness for this power will hold a hearing on tuesday looking into the process of just how a president can hit the big red button, as it were. Its the First Time Congress has looked into the president s Nuclear Authority in 40 years. Joining me now on set here is Jeffrey Engel at Southern Methodist university and author of when the world seemed new, george h. W. Bush and the end of the cold war. The thing that stuck out to me the most, of course, is you learned and you talk at length about george h. W. Bushs approach to our nuclear arie ar and what lessons do you think george h. W. Bush would have for the president on that . The best lesson that he has is one that hes really unlikely to take. President bushs real success during this period of great t tumult was not doing anything to be more obstructive and making sure you speak quietly in front of the camera even privately behind the scenes. Even if president bush had had twitter, he wouldnt have used it. He wouldnt have called kim jongun short and fat . He was not the insult candidate. Forgive me for laughing. Corker holding this meeting saying i want to see what it would take because of who suddenly has the keys. You know, this was actually an issue prior to the election. You might recall one of the more alarming ads that the Clinton Campaign ran was with someone who actually works in the process of launching a Nuclear Weapon and talked specifically about how little, how few steps you have to take. This is a relic of the cold war era where you wanted to be able to respond quickly and didnt have to go through these checks and balances. The question that senator markey has been asking on capitol hill is do we not really want to have any checks and balances . Its a difficult question to ponder because you have to, on the one hand, weigh having an impulsive president like we do now and on the actually game out nuclear theory. What happens if a weapon is launched at us . These hearings are fascinating. The thing is, this conversation was happening really in some close circles but very vigorously prior to this election of donald trump. My sense, too, is that congress doesnt exactly act particularly quickly. Sams point is well taken. You cant go too far to strip the president from the powers. Theres no doubt about it. The president needs the immediate response. Whats really important is that the very fact that were having this conversation. The fact this has risen to the level that on national tv were discussing whether or not the president s authority should be diminished. Thats the First Time Since 1945 that anyone has really questioned diminishing the president s authority when it cops to Nuclear Weapons. The war powers act did didminis it. Anyone who goes to capitol hill, understanding bob corker is ready and feeling liberated to talk about President Trump and to talk about his various flaws as he sees them. I think the fact hes having this hearing goes to this idea that republicans have to be liberated before they have have conversations that a lot are having on background or off the record. The other thing is i want to see what republicans are going to go and start questioning this and then go back to their district and explain to the people who voted for donald trump that they voted to strip his powers away. Thats where republicans will have their biggest problems. Its a good point that its republicans bringing up this you mentioned the campaign ad that democrats ran. It was a very hard hitting one. I think you cant forget that donald trump seems to have this affinity and fascination for Nuclear Weapons. As our colleague morning joe know noted, he brought it up in the private talk where he was talking about just how many Nuclear Weapons we have and what it would mean to actually launch them. Theres been reporting that he is wondering he never really you ruled out using a nuke, even in europe. Thats a rhetorical device. He has a fascination. He also now has the tools at his disposal. We really do need to have a sober and ernest conversation about what is the process in place for a president to be able to say, you know what, we need to push that button. Does it have to be defensive . Does it have to go through congress . Can it go through the cabinet . That seems to be a different perspective than what we heard from george h. W. Bush in this new book. Its amazing. Every president since eisenhower, when they come into office, have been giving a briefing explaining what Nuclear Weapons would do. It has a sobering affect on every president except this one. Thanks for your time. 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Throughout tonight we have talked about what happened in virginia on tuesday. Now democrats want to see if that wave could wash up on the shores of other states like michigan. In tonights states of play, we report from what turned to be a pivotal place in 2016. Reporter across the country, democrats are looking for signs of resistance. Mccomb county michigan is in the spotlight. Home to thousands of auto workers, Union Families and dps who sealed Donald Trumps victory one year ago. Could you see yourself voting for donald trump again . Yes. Absolutely. More republicans after that. Its going to take a while to turn this ship around. Donald just got his hands on the wheel. Reporter in the wake of Ed Gillespies loss, campaigns across the country are rethinking their posture to the president. One of the things about the campaign shows you is you cant fake the trump agenda. This is again da is a winning agenda. Mccomb county has to lead the way. Reporter both sides are hungry for voters for krichris. He vote obama but now he supports President Trump. In large measure, the Democrat Party has abandoned its working class roots. President trump has reluctantly forced other republicans to pick up that mantra. Reporter now many expected trump agenda to propel them. I look forward to the president of the United States, donald trump, coming to michigan, campaigning for me, and were going to talk about jobs and paypaychecks. Reporter thats a winning message . It still is. When we talk about the issues that affect the real lives of people, i think over time theyre going to realize that this president is not really the answer. At this moment in time, absolutely vote for him. This time i would double up the number and Campaign Even harder. Reporter democrats have less than a year to persuade voters to come back to the party they once knew. Final thoughts from our panel here. I am quickly going to say, im looking for tax reform. Were expecting a vote this week. Are we here midnight thursday night as theyre trying to get it finished . Is it a breeze . My money is on a breeze. A breeze . Closer to a breeze than not. Weits your show. Go ahead. Im going to be watching for Sexual Harassment and seeing what comes of that and what stories come out this week. Just what senators and congressmen plan on doing about this issue. Obviously, alabama. I want to know if anything else comes up with roy moores past. Im fascinated whats happening online. Theres a big battle under way between sean hannity and occkur. This could be the battle royale. No one could be drinking kurig. Maybe im with kurig will win. The president s tour which didnt produce any breakthroughs was overwhelmed by the roy moore story. He will come back into that story. We will see how he handled it. Its a difficult line. That does it for our show tonight. We are apparently antikurig. Join us from 7 00 to 9 00 and follow us on twitter. Good night from washington. President trumps asia trip is about pushing asia. What is kim jongun going to do . Will he push back . Its the most dangerous conflict in the world. I got right up to the front lines in the cockpit of an f16. This is about the north edge of theseven miles from the north korea border. This is as far as you can go without provoking a war . Yep