United states conditioned defense of a u. S. Ally on delivering the dirt on biden. Was it true or false . Trump emphasizes multiple times to ukrainian president zelinsky that, quote, the United States has been very, very good to ukraine and that prompted zelinsky to bring up what he needs to defend his country from continued russian aggression. Thank you for your great support in the area of defense, he said. Were almost ready to buy more javelins from the United States. Theres different versions of them. Theres one you put on the shoulder. The u. S. Has been deploying to ukraine for their selfdefense. In responding to zelinskys plea for missiles, trump immediately responds with a favor of his own. I would like you to do us a favor, though. Zelinsky then tells trump his assistant has already spoken to Rudy Giuliani. Trump goes onto make another request saying the other thing, theres a lot of talk about bidens son, that biden stopped the prosecution, so if you could look into it, it sounds horrible to me. Zelinsky assures trump his next prosecutor general will look into the information. Only after receiving that assurance does trump offer zelinsky a personal meeting at the white house. Trump repeatedly urged zelinsky to meet with giuliani. The release of this memo came the same day that trump met with president zelinsky today at the u. N. He was careful not to offend the president today. Hes relying on him for national defense. I think you read everything, so i think you read text. Im sorry, but i dont want to be involved to democratic open elections elections of usa. You heard we had i think good phone call. It was normal. We spoke about many things. So i think and you read it that nobody pushed me. In other words, no pressure. Zelinsky underscored the independence and his prosecutor is free to decide whatever it is himself. All of this urged from that whistleblowers complaint after being suppressed for weeks was delivered to Congress Late today. Im joined by congressman Eric Swalwell who just viewed that complaint. Congressman, thank you. Can you tell us at least in qualitative terms how much more is there in this formal complaint to the i. G. That we saw in the memo today of the conversation between the president and the president of ukraine . Chris, i can tell you whats described in the complaint is deeply disturbing. The acting director of National Intelligence prohibits me from even connecting it to the president s call with ukraine. But ill just say this. The whistleblower, thank god this person came forward, lays out witnesses we need to follow up with, documents that we need to get and also describes a number of individuals around this disturbing conduct who never came forward. Thats whats really concerning to me. I want to speak briefly to what you described as the president s call to ukraine. Not only does he call the ukrainian president to investigate a political apone that youre going to owe that person something, in that transcript he also is essentially doing russias bidding and seeking to exonerate russia for the work that they did in the election by seeing if someone else was involved with this serve thr that he asked th to follow up on. That in itself is betrayal to our country. What do you make of this . Many people believe that for a president of the United States to condition military support here in the form of javelin missiles to fight russian tanks, the condition that delivery of those weapons, defensive weapons on whether a president of that allied country gives him dirt on a political opponent, is itself a high crime . Where are you on that . Yes, it is. Its corrupt. Its the way third World Leaders conduct themselves, not the president of the United States. Again, the president has made the standard quid pro quo, just the fact that he asks shows he would have to owe the uyan krn president something, putting foreign governments priorities above americas. The ukrainians arent stupid. They know that militarily, economically and just through credibility they need the United States. And if aid is being held back and the president of the United States is asking you to do something, theyre going to do it. Trump is our commander in chief. Hes head of state, head of government in many ways in a country that has power divided among branches of government. He is enmany ways the symbol of our country. The one the American People have to look up to for their defense. Has he betrayed that role in his using his control over armed supplies to an allied country vulnerable to russia, has he betrayed that responsibility certainly to the American People by serving his part sp interest snz. Hes pushed us away from traditional democracies who care about human rights and drawn us closer to people like vladimir putin, kim jongun, duterte of the philippines. Imagine what the transcripts read like when he talks to putin. Lets talk about this. He likes to say in his talking points and distribute it to all the republican basically robo thinkers and talkers, they put the word out today its not quid pro quo. It sounded to me like extortion. If you want these weapons to defend yourself against russian tanks you better play ball with me and give me some dirt. Meaning ill give you your antitank missiles. That sounds more like i made an offer they couldnt refuse, much more than extortion it wasnt a deal. It was a threat. It was a mob shakedown. Right. What more do you need . The thing im concerned about and some people get mad when i raise this, it seems like weve got so many lawyers in the house of representatives now, so many process people. You guys are always ready to serve a subpoena or a contempt citation, and all you do is look this thing in the eye and see it. Is this impeachable or not and have a vote within the next few weeks and move on because its not going to look anymore clear in two or three weeks. What more do you as a congressman, a member of the Intelligence Committee and judiciary, what more do you want to know to decide this case yourself . Keep it simple. As a former prosecutor nothing is more powerful as evidence than a defendants own admission of guilt. And we have that in the notes that were released today. Great leadership there. Eric swalwell, hours after the release of the memo on President Trumps call with the ukrainian president , Speaker Pelosi reaffirmed her belief that President Trumps behavior undermines the rule of law here. For his part President Trump dismissed pelosi and her role as speaker of the house. Todays release of the notes of the call by the white house confirms this behavior which undermines the integrity of our election, the dignity of any presidency and our National Security. Did you ask House Speaker nancy pelosi to find a way out of impeachment yesterday . Not at all. No. Shes lost her way. Shes been taken over by the radical left. And she may be radical left herself. Nancy pelosi as far as im concerned unfortunately shes no longer speaker of the house. All of those people that lived through, and think about the cold war and how we defended those captive countries along the border of russia, the soviet union, how we were looking out for them. And here we have a case where one desperate country, ukraine, all they wanted were javelin missile, the kind you put on your shoulder to shoot at russian tanks that take your country apart. But he said first lets talk about what i want. Give me that and well talk business. Your thoughts. Its so obvious, and i think whats different about this is that any person you dont have to be a lawyer can see what this president has done, that he has compromised the integrity of our constitution, that he has used his power for his own personal political gain. Im really kind of surprised that they released this at all. But the one quote that i think is also really important that you didnt say, the president after saying, oh, we have done so much for ukraine, also said and i wouldnt say its reciprocated. I mean, he was saying we want some resipicaticiprocation, and outlines it. We want the dirt on my political apo opponent. And one other thing, he said Rudy Giuliani you should talk to him, but he also said that i want you to talk to the attorney general of the United States of america. So he was using every implement of government to also reinforce this political goal of his to get dirt on joe biden. Well, ukrainian president zelinsky seemed almost desperate to secure additional u. S. Military support during todays photoop. Lets watch him again. If you remember you lost crimea during a different administration, not during the trump administration. And so you have chance to help us. Thats right, i do. Im sorry, but we dont need help. We need support, real support. And we thank everybody, thank all of the european countries, but we also want to have more. I gave you antitank busters that frankly president obama was sending you pillows. I really hope that you and president putin get together and can solve your problem. That would be a trumeemendous achievement. This president goes down on this and theres certainly a good case he should be impeached for this. Its because of the absurd obsession with Hillary Clinton and barack obama. In the midst of any conversation, it pops out of him like tourettes. Im giving you missile, im giving you javelin missiles and this stuff happened under somebody else, and weve got to get hillarys server its like one of these nationalli enquirer things. The servers in ukraine. That crowd strike was mentioned, that company that was used to determine that the russians were behind the hacking. This is really extraordinary, chris. And i have to say that we have seen the evolution by President Trump going from russia if you hear me to ukraine, listen up. In the midst of this congresswoman he says its so pathetic and condescending, heres a country vulnerable to the russians, theyve grabbed part of their country, crimea. And he said why dont you settle your problem, its like telling finland to settle their problem with russia. Little countries dont solve their problems with big countries on their borders. They give into them. What was he talking about . It was condescending i thought in addition to all this other impeachable stuff. Its totally impeachable. And i think the American People have to understand how this misuse of his power is so blatant. Theyve cut 200 million away from a benefit to ukraine just a week before this conversation. So im sure that the president of ukraine understood that this was a shakedown. It was a shakedown. Wow. The fear that trump would abuse his power with ukraine was apparent to those around the president even before the phone call with the president of ukraine. According to the Washington Post this is the big stuff, several officials describe tense meetings on ukraine among National Security officials at the white house leading up to the president s phone call. Sessions that led some participants to fear trump and those close to him were prepared to use u. S. Leverage for trumps political gain. And some senior officials worked behind the scenes to hold off a trump meeting or even a phone call with president zelinsky out of concern the president was use information to press kiev about joe biden and his son. It sounds like, chris, from what congressman swalwell said that this whistleblower complaint is going to provide a road map for congress to question other individuals who will have knowledge of the requests that were made, that setup the zelinsky call. Clearly he knee what the president was going to say in the call because hed had contact from giuliani and the others. And the mention of attorney general barr is extraordinary because its attorney general barr who presumably ruled that the whistleblower complaint did not make out a case. Now, isnt this a conflict of interest . Congressman, i have one concern and it grows in my head. Ill go to bed tonight were yg about it. This will all get diffused into a lot of committee jurisdictions. A lot of members of congress have their own particular focus so far, where they want to put their point. Can the speaker and you, can you keep the focus on ukraine . Keep it a simple up or down vote on whether this is an impeachable act, a high crime or not and have a vote weeks in rather months. Im afraid this will get diffused and never get to a vote because of the crazy incoherent way this has been handled by the committee. So many different voice, five minute rule. You know how it works, congressman. Its hard to keep focus. I think this is going to move swiftly. Tomorrow were going to see an open hearing at the house Intelligence Committee. Were going to learn from the whistleblower. Were going to talk to the dni, the director of National Intelligence. And i think this is going to build on itself, and i think we will be able to move swiftly. And as i said i think the thing thats different right now is that this is so clear. The American People are not going to be confused by this and were all going to be questioning whether this president is capable of handling the intelligence in this country, dealing with foreign powers if he is capable of being president of the United States. Well said. Thank you so much. Coming up, just a short time ago the u. S. Congress received that explosive whistleblower complaint itself. What can we expect tomorrow when the acting director of National IntelligenceJoseph Maguire testifies publicly and the man at the strf this ukraine scandal is no surprise Rudy Giuliani. Here it is. Laura, im a pretty good lawyer, just a country lawyer but its all here. Right here. The first call from the state department. By the way, do you have any idea that the state department shut up, moron. Shut up. You dont know what youre talking about. Chris, chris. You dont know what youre talking about, idiot. I do. And tomorrow night Kamala Harris is going at it, joining us live. Shes a member of the senate Intelligence Committee, one of the two committees interviewing the director of National Intelligence and the Inspector General for Security Matters tomorrow. Much more to get to in a day of fast moving developments. Stick with us. Day of fast minovg developments stick with us. Classical Music playing throughout i felt i couldnt be at my best for my family. In only 8 weeks with mavyret, i was cured and left those doubts behind. I faced reminders of my hep c every day. But in only 8 weeks with mavyret, i was cured. Even hanging with friends i worried about my hep c. But in only 8 weeks with mavyret, i was cured. Mavyret is the only 8week cure for all common types of hep c. Before starting mavyret your doctor will test if youve had hepatitis b which may flare up and cause serious liver problems during and after treatment. 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And we were going to do this anyway, but ive informed them, all of the house members, that i fully support transparency on the socalled whisblower information. For more im joined by michael schmidt, National Correspondent for the new york times. Whats the state of play here tonight . The president put on a good line today, he sounded like hes confident hes won this round, and yet all the evidence points to what looked like an extortion racket, the president of the United States saying if you want the weapons, you want to defend your country, give me dirt. Its all in the notes from that conversation. Well, the president thought that the democrats had been overplaying their hand and that if the transcript came out that it would help them and it would show that this was not that bad. Im not sure it has had that impact. I think what you see in the document is sort of a melding together some of the worst allegations made against the president in the Mueller Report. Its talking to a foreign country related to an election, and its also trying to use an investigation of a rival to undermine and using the power of his presidency to do that. So in this instance he has melded together those two things into this problem that sits in front of him. And whats different about this problem than the other ones that weve seen is that its sort of a single thing that he has to contend with. Over the past three years what its been is a lot of Different Things, collusion, obstruction, Different Things about his business. In this instance its sort of one thing with the transcript with his own words. We are inside the room with him behind closed doors seeing what he is saying to a foreign leader and how hes using his power. Thats the way i read it. Where it says in these notes from the conversation put out by the National Security counsel, the president of ukraine, sort of desperate, we were almost ready to buy more javelins. These are the weapons used to fight tanks with from the United States for defense purposes. The next thing the president says after hearing that plea he goes, heres trump, i would like to do i would like you to do us a favor, though. I would like you to do us a favor, though. How is that not quid pro quo . The very moment he asks what he needs to protect his country the president comes back with, yeah, but i need you to do something for us, though. That is trading situation. Except, trump also thought the guy whos in jail for 14 years when hes trading Barack Obamas senate seat for his personal political gain, he thought that was okay. Is it possible in your reporting that the president of the United States, the one we have now doesnt know what awful is . Im not sure. But in terms of a quid pro quo when those types of things happen i dont think people sit down and say, heres the quid, theres the pro, and heres the quo. In this instance it certainly comes up early in the conversation. It looks like the president is trying to build leverage in that sort of showing this is what weve done for you. Weve been very good to you with this aid, the europeans arent nearly as good and then he then goes in and asks for the favor. Its actually you know, its asking this country to do these investigations that would help him. Thank you so much. One of the great reporters of our time, michael schmidt. I want to bring in bill jenner. I cant think of a better guest. When someone goes to the Inspector General for National Intelligence and says to him theres something ive overhead thats very urgent to me or concerning, how important is that . Well, its very important because the reason these rules were created was to give people who had something to complain about a way of elevating that concern without leaking it. It was a way of sort of allowing somebody who saw something that was or that was thought to be really out of bounds, who would elevate that and tell the oversight committees on the hill about it in a secure way without leaking the information. So what were having now, what the administration was doing was really to make leaking more likely. Now, the more we learn today and i think as your viewers now know, that was stopped by the intervention of the Justice Department which said they didnt think the statute applied. And of course the Inspector General mr. Atkins thought it did apply. The more we learn the more it appears the acting director which well hear from tomorrow was playing a tough and honorable inside game. The post reports this afternoon he threatened to resign if he wasnt allowed to go to the hill. Hes denied that, so one doesnt quite know what to say about a resignation, but he must have been playing a tough inside game because the white house has been moved backwards on this. They have allowed him to go on the hill. Lets talk about the perspective of the man or woman, we dont know who issued the whistleblower complaint. The point of that statute is to eliminate that risk. And we look when i was an Inspector General of the nsa if one saw a retaliation against someone who complained, we would come down like a ton of bricks on that person. You had to protect the person who was a whistleblower, who was a complainer because after all, all complainers are not right about what theyre saying, and its the i. G. s job to evaluate those things. So weve got a really good mechanism to take care of this, and the i. G. Community does a good job of protecting people who are complaining about things like that. Lets talk about the i. G. , the person rob at kinsson, he hs to present the congress the complaint. What would stop an i. G. From doing that . Why wouldnt he deliver what hes been told to deliver to congress . Because the statute says he doesnt go directly to congress. He has to give it to his director or in this case his acting director. Now, the i. G. And the acting director, although the i. G. Is a watchdog, hes an executive branch official. Like it or not. Hes not a free agent. He works in the executive branch. And the office of Legal Counsel and justice, chris, is the last word as far as the executive branch is concerned about what the law is, and they said, no, the law doesnt apply here. Now, i didnt agree with that but that puts both the i. G. And the acting director between a rock and a hard brace. They cannot insert their own judgment. Some political analysis here, we have an attorney general whos being used by this president to do his dirty work collecting dirt over ukraine. Its in the telephone notes with the president of ukraine. We know that. Thats how this attorney general is being used, as a roy cohn basely. And we also know he sided with the president in terms of the Mueller Report before, during and after. Everything was basically juiced for the president s purposes by this attorney general. Now you cite the attorney general as the one to deliver the call as if its an institution immune to politics. This department of justice is totally politicized. The department of justice under our constitution, chris is part of the political branches of government. The a. G. , like it or not, is a political appointee. Thats why this is not fundamentally going to be solved by lawyers. This is political conflict between the two political branches of government and its got to have a political solution which is either an election or an impeachment. Youve said what ive been thinking so articletly now for months. Lawyers are not going to solve this. It may not be about the letter of the law. Its like pornography, youll know when you see it. And this has been committing a high crime. Anyway, thank you. I did like the way you said that were out of time. Make your thought, go ahmed. Well, i wanted to tell people who are focused on this quid pro quo business about which people are spinning whichever way they want to, to focus instead on the sequence of events. That cannot be he throws the money and he met with the guy on the phone and said do you still want those arms, okay, give me some dirt. Weve got to go. Well have to have you back. Up next, what exactly is Rudy Giulianis role in the u. S. Government . Hes not appointed to any official post, so why is he talking to foreign governments like ukraine . Youre watching hardball. Ukre youre watching hardball. Youve had quite the career. I like working. What if my Retirement Plan is i dont want to retire . Then lets not create a Retirement Plan. Lets create a plan for whats next. 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And im a pretty good lawyer, just a country lawyer but its all here, right here. Welcome back to hardball. That was President Trumps personal attorney Rudy Giuliani last night defending his interactions with ukraine. Giulianis efforts to dig up dirt on the bidens is the central focus now of President Trumps july phone call with the ukrainian president himself. One key quote from the white house notes President Trump told the ukrainian leader i want to ask him to call you along with the attorney general. Rudy very much knows whats happening and hes a very capable guy. If you could speak with him, that would be great, closed quote. The Washington Post reports on giulianis months long shadow effort that quote involved inabrupt removal of the ambassador to ukraine. The circumvention of senior officials on the National Security counsel and the suspension of hundreds of millions of dollars in aid administered by defense and state department. Rudy he did all this, this s hadfshow were in, its him. Im joined by barbara mcquade. Heres a great line in all the old kwiem shows was did you notice anything different that night, anything special happen that night . In other words, is anything changing in the norm tells you Something Special to that night happened and it probably has something to do with the crime being investigated. Those officials in the state department for months was Something Weird happening in our relationship with ukorean. It had to do with getting dirt, getting dirt on hillary, especially on joe biden who at that time in the early parts of the summer really looked like a threat more than he does today in fact to this president. Thats what this is about. What do you make of the fact that Rudy Giuliani, hes showing up in all these quarters as the president s guy . I think its a tell. I think it suggests that President Trump himself knew that this was shady and not to be done through official channels. He did want send a government official. He didnt somebody who works in the white house, didnt send anybody from the state department. He sent his personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani. You know, this is in public Corruption Cases you refer to someone like that as the bad man, someone who goes and does the dirty work, has the negotiations, talks about the deal offline. If giuliani was talking with the state department about this mission, whats the name of the person you were talking to at the state department and lets put that person before congress and talk about what the scope of this assignment was because it sounds highly unusual. Its interesting to make the case you just made how its being setup as a cut out if you will, to keep the word to himself what hes been told to do. Therefore hell do terrible requests of the ukrainian government. I want this, i want that keep pushing, pushing, push s. The way the president set that up in his conversation with president zelinsky was to say this guy is mayor of new york, hes a great lawyer. In other words investing him with this incredible authority to do all kinds of dirty work. I know whats going on here and you did, too. Hes telling him deal with this guy, hes going to be a little rough, but hes my guy. Thats frequently the way it happens in cases of corruption, you have some sort of intermediary and that is shield for the higher level person. They can say i didnt know what was going on, they can speak in code. Its a way to distance yourself from the dirty work thats being done. What the hell was the name william barr doing in kiev . And the president also saying youre going to hear from another guy, youre going to hear from bill barr, my stooge at the Justice Department. Here it comes. I dont know. And barr himself has denied he had any communications with ukraine. I think it demonstrates while barr shd be excluded from being disclosed. There is a conflict of interest there for william barr who has an incentive to keep his name out of it and besmirching his name. The fact he was involved in that decision strikes me as a cop flict of interest. Great insight into the law and its surroundings. Up next the white house hands out talking points on ukraine. And Republican Congress people waste mow time reading their lines. Its mindboggling how these people say what theyre told to say. Youre watching hardball. Eyr say. Youre watching hardball. Really . [horn honks] man this is what i feel like when i wear regular shoes, cramped and uncomfortable. We can arrange a little upgrade. Which is why i wear skechers. Wide fit shoes. They have extra room throughout. Theyre like a luxury ride for my feet. Try skechers wide fit shoes. Paneras new warm grain full of flavor, color,. Full of woo full of good. So you can be too. Try our new warm grain bowls today. 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From a quid pro quo aspect of the phone call, theres nothing there. It continues, the president wanted allegations of corruption potentially involving an american official to be investigated. I think its very appropriate for the president of the United States suggests that youve got a corruption problem. You have president zelinsky and President Trump both climting one another for trying to root out corruption. The memo calls the whistleblowers account a second hand account. If youre going to base it on a press report from a secondhand person who thinks they heard something, and thats the most youve got based upon a whistleblower that wasnt even listening to a conversation. And accused democrats of endangering our National Security. Were now in a situation where not only have they hurt National Security, but theyre fundmentally abdicating their constitutional responsibility. It was a dark day for National Security. But you are willing to jeopardize the National Security of our country today and in the future because of your own political bias. Its like a woody allen movie. The keyword here is National Security. Anyway, the president retweeted statements that reflected those talking points throughout the day. However, in contrust to the Public Confidence many republicans displayed towards defending the president , their Public Confidence, its a very different story in private. And that reporting is coming up next. Republicans in the back rooms are not happy with this president and his dealings with ukraine. Youre watching hardball. Wit ukraine. Youre watching hardball. With my hepatitis c, i felt i couldnt be at my best for my family. In only 8 weeks with mavyret, i was cured and left those doubts behind. I faced reminders of my hep c every day. But in only 8 weeks with mavyret, i was cured. Even hanging with friends i worried about my hep c. But in only 8 weeks with mavyret, i was cured. 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Republicans ought not to be rushing to circle the wagons and say theres no there there when theres obviously lots troubling there. The administration ought not be attacking a whistleblower as insuggested they plan to do. A contributing columnist out of the the Washington Post and michael beschloss, s president ial historian. It seems to me that the republicans unless youre a m mormon im sorry unless youre a romney from utah, its scary. When hes been caught in the act of dying foreign policy, Foreign Military aid for dirt on a partisan apoopponent . Because they dont think the president has been caught yet. Because they cant see that in their home districts and states where among republicans the president still enjoys tremendous success. But you can see some of the cracks, you know, coming alive. Is there anything inside those maga hats . Thats a question for them. Im not really good on red hats, but i do think that republicans are going to some of them are going to try to walk a very fine line until they really know where this president is going, and i think democrats are on the right path to try to get to the truth. But theyve got to be very careful in how they do it. The Republican Party at its best has been a party of fiscal responsibility. The party of individual selfidentity that you are not a part of an identity group, youre not part of a society theyre just individuals, wheres the individualism in the Republican Party today in. Its changed a lot. But, chris, historically even impeachment processes that ended up with impeachment like Richard Nixons you remember how long well, they ended up with a house call for impeachment. It took a long time for republicans to come out against nixon beginning with Edward Brooke and going on with jim buckley. That was like four or five months after the saturday night massacre. And the other thing is if you go back to the constitution, the framers historically when they wrote about impeachment and came up with this sanction they did so not knowing there are Political Parties in this country. Supposed in 1940 in 1940 Winston Churchill basically the last stop on the nazi claim to europe, the only guy fighting, he calls up roosevelt, and he said i really need some destroyers, maybe 50 of your old ones might do and roosevelt said, i have a favor i want from you, though, i want you to get some dirt on my apope want in the next election, how far we have fallen because thats unimaginable. Thats right. But heres where the president got it wrong. He believed in the white house releasing this summary, not really transcript but summary was going to somehow exonerate him. I actually think it dug him further why do you think he thought that because its there, these two lines, we need these missiles to fight the tanks with, and he said, yeah, but i need some dirt on my opponents. But hes transactional and he didnt say specifically in exchange for those missiles this is what but he said you better give me some dirt. I agree but in the president s mind hes so transactional he didnt make that transaction so he didnt believe it was the kind of thing to come back to haunt him. He was just trying to trade Barack Obamas senate seat for some personal political stuff. He didnt think there was anything wrong with that. Might also felt he would get some points for transparency. In 1999 then congressman Lindsey Graham said impeachment was about restoring integrity to the office. Impeachment is not about punishment. Impeachment is about cleansing the office. Impeachment is about restoring honor and integrity to the office. Well, Lindsey Grahams definition of impeachment seems to have changed iptn the last 2 years. Here he is last night. The only reason theyre trying to impeach the president is because they dont believe they can beat him at the ballot box. Heres how he responded today. If you think the president has soiled the office, do something about it. If you think this is an impeachment offense, vote, go on the record. Im with him. Michael . Well, and the other thing, you know, is that when these processes begin, they go in ways that you cant predict. We kaept predict how this is going to ill predict if it takes as long as youre suggesting its not going to work out. Maybe not. And republicans in 98 thought this was something that was going to help. I looked at the o. J. Trial, i dont think we got more clarity as it went in. Thank you, don edwards, michael beschloss. Hardball back in a moment. L beschloss. Hardball back in a moment. 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The moment is the realization by the American People now that their president , their commander in chief tried conditioning military aid to an allied nation on its president delivering dirt on a trump political opponent. Speaker pelosi gets it. She told democrats they need to strike while the iron is hot. So this is the threshold, the all important challenge to move now, act, bring an article of impeachment to the floor. This is the reality. They need to hold the moment and make this happen, to get the house to vote on impeachment, how he has so seriously abused his power. The information is here, the members of congress is here, the speaker is now here to lead. All thats needed now is to let it happen. Dont let this historic abuse of president ial power get driven away in a fog of subpoenas, deadlines and eroding headlines. Thats hardball for now. Thanks for being with us. All in with chris hayes starts right now. Tonight on all in. Like any mafia boss, the president didnt need to say thats a nice country you have, itd be a shame if something happened to it. Its even worse than you thought. What those notes reflect is a classic mafialike shakedown of a foreign leader. The damning evidence against President Trump as he shook down the new ukrainian president for dirt on a political opponent. Impeachment for that. Tonight the latest on the impeachment investigation and just who supports it. One republican senator told me if it was a secret vote, 30 republican senators would vote to impeach trump. Then the rest of the president s men