The New York Times reports that some wins and near losses have raised questions about whose vision of the Democratic Party will emerge victorious in 2020. And it raises questions about whether democrats can deliver a consistent message to voters and unite behind one nominee from a slate of candidates who could range from socialists to pragmatic sen pragmatic centrists. A few familiar names loom large. A Morning Consult poll taken in the days following the midterm found joe biden is the early leader. Bernie sanders came in second. But to underscore the desire for new faces, beto oroarke fresh off his loss in the Texas Senate Race came in third. Senators Elizabeth Warren of massachusetts, kamala harris, cory booker of new jersey was just behind. None of the others earned as much as 3 . None of the big named candidates have officially announced their entexs for 2020. But on the stump in the waning days of the campaign, many seemed to be previewing their own 2020 pitches. Democrats choose hope over fear. Democrats choose unity over division. And most importantly, we choose truth over lies. Ideas that just three years ago were perceived to be radical and extremist ideas are now ideas that are supported by the vast majority of the American People. Thank you, iowa. We are better than this. And thats what were fighting for. And so lets think about it in the context, then, of whats at steak. Theres so much at steak. This is not a time to curl up. It is not a time to shut up. It is not a time to give up. Its a time to get up, to rise up, to speak up. Its time for you not to wait for hope but to be the hope. Its our time to fight back. Are you ready to fight back . Its our time to fight back. Joining me right now is heidi przybyla, jonathan allen, Donna Brazile, and john bray bender. Donna, youre miss inside on this thing. What do you think about now and how we look forward to all the way to november 2020. What does it look like to you in terms of the candidates . Im excited, chris. This is my 11th president ial season. I know im a little older than a few of my colleagues here. 11 president ial seasons. Weve going to have the largest, most Diverse Group of candidates that weve ever seen in a Democratic Party. Yes, we will have a basket of elected officials. Well have a bunch of nonelected officials, but what really excites me is that youre going to see new blood, new energy, and we wont have to count on count dracula for new blood. What do you make of this . We have the top line here. Basically even the top line, even joe biden, Everybody Knows who he is, is getting 28 . Is it 28 . 26. Yeah. Thats only a quarter of the vote. Everybody knows who he is. This is not ethnicity or age. Its diverse in terms of numbers. Nobody is secure here. Right. Well, in elections past to donnas point, there would be an unspoken rule for some of the others who have practically already announced their campaigns to kind of step back and wait on joe biden, but joe biden himself as said dont do it. This is going to be a wide open field. And there is no prototype. Theres going to be a knock down drag out fight between the progressive grass roots and the more pragmatic kind of blue collar prototype candidates. The only thing that i think may be off the table is the tough guy kind of, like, gutter fighter model that, frankly, a lot of democrats told me right after trump won was what they needed. They would need their own tough guy to go toe to toe. Like mark cuban. How about cory . Look, i shouldnt say this, but i dont think anybody who yells ever wins. Every time you get out there with that oratory, people are like interesting, but hes not the next president. Reagan soft spoken. Obama was soft spoken. Bill clinton hardly ever yelled. Who is going to blow the doors off . You have a 747 full of candidates coming in as donna points out. I think it remains to be seen. The Democratic Party is very divided over who they want. Undecided is almost as popular as the top candidate in their joe biden who has universal name recognition. Whos the candidate that gets in there and blows the doors off . I think its the candidate who proves themselves exciting to people. Beto oroarke. Look at beto oroarke. I think that he will be in iowa as much and as often as possible in the early months of 2020. Do you think he wired this that he would run even if they lost . I dont know if he was planning ahead, but the best outcome for him to run for president is losing by the small margin. If he had won the senate seat, no one would taken it well going from austin to des moines in the first stop. All right. Why dont you be the trump whisperer here. Who does he who is he rooting for . I get the feeling when he does things like Elizabeth Warren, something shes a winner, some dont think so. Does trump think shes the one he wants . He keeps doing nicknaming with her as if hes trying to turn her into the front runner . I think he feels Elizabeth Warren wont play in rust belt states. I think he thinks Bernie Sanders would be a fine opponent. I think he thinks joe biden would be. Think hes afraid of joe . I dont think donald trump thinks that way. I dont think hes worried about it. Heres what people dont understand. Everybody is saying who is the front runner . Just as important is who can stay in the race to take votes away from somebody . Who has the staying power . Say iowa goes for Elizabeth Warren and Elizabeth Warren wins in New Hampshire and kamala challenges here in nevada. And then you go to california and she cleans up. Who else can its about warren and harris. Okay. Is it over then . It normally would be. The one who wins in iowa and challenges. Or is there a guy like biden or a beto oroarke or somebody who stays in there for ten or 20 contests and finally goes around the corner and wins . Is that possible . Yeah. Because of the proportional rules within the party. Im still on the rules committee. One of the things we try to establish in the rules committee is to not just get the states to spread out a little bit, but to ensure that we have the kind of diversity and the selection of delegates that we have in every other aspect of our party. In 2008 and 2016 the Democratic Party clearly favored the establishment. But the voters wanted an outsider. Thats why you saw barack obama come straight up the middle in that very talented field of candidates in 2008. And in 2016 Hillary Clinton was the favorite, and bernie came within a distance of pulling it off. Had the election gone another month, bernie would have caught up. If they wouldnt have had the debates on nfl night. Thats another conversation about the debate schedule. I believe the outsider might be able to accrue delegates. Vice President Biden and senator warren indicated a time frame theyre thinking about. Lets look at this. Lets watch. I dont know. I dont know. I still dont know. I have to make my decision what im going to do. I have until the first of the year. Heres what i promise. After november sixth i will take a hard look at running for president. Whats the delay . Why dont they just get in this thing . They want to see how the post midterm period turns out. They want to call donors. Theyve been holding off until the midterms to make all the calls except for the few close people to them. They want to see the is the money there . Are the staffers there . Do the polls look good . They havent decided in life they want to be president . I think a lot of them these guys bill clinton and a lot of them, im not knocking bill, these people, you can tell when they ran for Student Council when they were 13. They all want to be president. Youve seen it go 50 states. If they want to be competitive and play in that and get delegates going in the convention. It could be a contested convention. Theyll have to be able to raise serious money. Heidi, one potential factor in 2020 could be age. President trump will be 74 on election day 74. 74. By comparison senator sanders will be 79. Former Vice President joe biden will be 77. Elizabeth warren will be somewhere near that but much younger. Senator harris will be 56 and senator booker will be 51. Hes the kid in the race. I grew up thinkinging hiezen ho was too old. People still want someone around 50. I think Bernie Sanders pretty much blew up that notion in the last election cycle. And age doesnt matter until it does. Until theres an alternative that is a new shiny kind of inspiring face like a beto oroarke. I think whats going to be more important than age is who can bring that secret sauce of appealing to those midwestern industrial states in a working class appeal while also keeping this new coalition together of the republicans, the more affluent suburban moderate swing voters and not alienating them. Not going too far to the left. I dont know what will emerge in the primary thats what youll have. When you court during the president ial process, when youre courting voters, youre looking for somebody who can appeal to your heart and also your head. Democrats tend to like candidates who a feisty and can wake you up in the morning but at nighttime keep you fired up. I think they will look for someone with some energy, somebody with new ideas, because after all, were competing against donald trump. Speaking of insides, i mentioned earlier in the political poll about hype political field, beto oroarke was third nationally. Heres how beto oroarke thanked his supporters on election night. Everyone who allowed themselves to hope and to believe, and to be inspired by one another and to turn that into action and into votes, and to do snag no one, no one thought was possible, to build a Campaign Like this one solely comprised of people, people from all walks of life, it is the greatness to which we aspire and the work that were willing to put into it to achieve it by which we will be known going forward. Oroarkes campaign against ted cruz may have galvanized democrats in texas but also nationwide. As the New York Times notes, buzz around a possible oroarke 2020 bid has left some party outers skeptical. Tom vilsack sold the times were always looking for rock stars, but i dont think the country is looking for rock stars. Whoa. What was that about . Oh. I think hes wrong. He was not a texas candidate. He was a national candidate. Make no mistake about it. We will show early in the polls. He has a National Personality thats engaged. He checks the boxes. I think hes a credible candidate. The other thing, lets remember, theyre not talking to Midterm Election voters. Youre talking to now very progressive voters who are going to determine this nominee. The party, i believe, has moved to the left. I think thats the most engaged part of the party. As they move forward the candidates will move left. I think he picked a lot of the boxes that others dont. Bernie sanders, last time was credible because of how progressive he was, and they accepted the fact that he was old. Now hes four years older and theres other people that are just as progressive. My advice to joe biden would be always get seated next to Bernie Sanders. Then he looks younger. What do you think of beto . Will he do it . There was a lot of analysis before he lost that that would be actually the best thing for him. You just said that. Yeah. But before he lost as well. That there was foresight that would be a potential path for him. He does bring all those hes kind of inspiring and has the populist appeal. Texas a state thats coming close for contracdemocrats. How does oroarke work with other democrats in the race . Hes about 64. How does he do with black women in the south. The most royal voting and provide delegate after delegate in the nominating process, and how does he do with blue collar working class white voters in pennsylvania, wisconsin and michigan. The general election states that flipped in the governor and senator races this last time from trump to the democrats . Well, i just gave him my book on bobby kennedy. He wins in all those candidates. The round table is sticking with us. Coming up, there are dozens of sleeper candidates for 2020. Is there a chance for one of those to breakthrough to pop up and get to the front of the pack to be the top candidate . Plus the Democratic Party is looking for signs of life in the midwest, the rust belt that used to be called. We dont say that anymore that went big for trump in 2016. The upper midwest. Can trump hold onto those in 2020 or do the democrats who did incredibly well in the midterms in the midwest do it again in 2020 . And finally a History Lesson about the position trump may find himself in next year. This is hardball where the action is. So a tree falls on your brandnew car and totals it. And as if that wasnt bad enough, now your insurance wont replace it outright because of depreciation. If your insurance wont replace your car, what good is it . Youd be better off just taking your money and throwing it right into the harbor. Im regret that. With new car replacement, if your brandnew car gets totaled, Liberty Mutual will pay the entire value plus depreciation. Liberty mutual insurance. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Comfort. What we deliver by delivering. 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Others have worked about getting their messages out during campaigning for other people. Ive said ive been seriously considering running in 2020 for a while. I believe that ive been called to fight as hard as i possibly can to restore that moral integrity and decency. That sounds like a yes. Im thinking about it. I think that weve got to nominate somebody that can bridge some of the divides. The shortterm divisive thinking that republicans have is not resonate snchlgt. It is really important for us to make sure that if we are given the responsibility to govern that we govern in a mag pragmatic way that makes sense. Not just to governor but to prepare for 2020, a blueprint where the focus is on workers. We need to focus on what matters to people. Thats an optimistic state of togetherness. The state of our nation is hopeful, resilient and enduring. Are you looking at it . Absolutely. Im seriously looking at it. I say the more the merrier. Were back with our panel, heidi, jonathan, donna and john. I look at the second round of the kids table. Its pretty impressive. I can see four or five of those people as president. Its credible for me. Sherrod brown, Mike Bloomberg if hed get past the primaries. Theres you talk about hickenlooper, Sherrod Brown, names we hadnt been talking about and are not even on that polling sheet. Tell me about ji its goin to help with some people. Shes made her mark in the senate on the issue of Sexual Harassment both in the military and on capitol hill. So in a way she was in a tough situation because she had to lead in that moment. And democrats did not want to be accused of being hypocritical of casting a finger at the other party. You think shes in the running for president or vp . Well likely have four or five women candidates in. This will be the first president ial election in the me too movement moment, and i think you will see a serious number of women running. Weve never had an issue of which woman to choose from. Kamala harris, Elizabeth Warren, and on and on. Weve never had that. Weve had no paradigm. Men its like lets be john wai wayne. Maybe not braarack obama. Hes more lax. But hillary won the popular vote. She lost in the states that matter. We know all this. But its not going to work this way. Having done the last three president ial been involved in some way. These debates are different when they do two tier. If you looked at the republicans debates, the first tier, the nonprime time debate was more substantive and much better but nobody could move any numbers because they only had one fifth the audience watching that. Does the cut off come when networks say youre in the first tier . Thats what happens. And its almost impossible to move out of there because nobody has seen you in prime time. Unless you have a Huge National following that gives you money but doesnt tell pollsters theyre voting for you or youre a selffunder, its virtually impossible to start low and move up. How big, how large can the first tier be . Can you have more than seven people up there . Some tv networks tried to put 20 up there at once. I think you can probably legitimately have ten. I think ten is the starting point. But if you have ten, you have to figure out who is on the lower one. You cant do ten and two. If you have 12, theyre more inclined to do six and six. Can they mix it . Im saying based on the history of the last election cycle, the biggest election the biggest election is to be on the prime time debate. Most of the candidates weve mention have had made trips to iowa. They all go to iowa, and, of course, New Hampshire. Long shot possible candidates have taken multiple trips to iowa for the caucuses. This includes john hickenlooper, and former Maryland Governor and 2016 candidate martin omalley. Senator jeff merkley and john delaney have announced hes running. And mayor pete buttigieg, and Michael Avenatti and tom steyer. I always thought trump has the support of the angry white guy. I didnt think there were that many to win the key states. There were. Im not willing to write off outsiders. I mean a nonpolitician like a cube snn. The rules are out the window. Schultz . Its the candidate who excites the voters. This is democracy in action. Weve seen a breakup of the strength of the party system over the course of the last dozen or so years due no part to citizens united. At the moment what youve got is voters deciding and donors. Are they going to have a chance for voters to see them . I do think in this uber crowded field, what may be also a key determinant is who gets in there the earliest and gobbles up all the best talent and makes all of the connections and all the money. Theres already stories running about there being a staffed Talent Shortage in the state of iowa because there are so many people starting to go there and recruit. Let me Say Something boring. New york. I have been in this business so many years. Longer than you even, donna. And i always notice in the end, its like the yankees. They get all the publicity and all the players. They have attitudes about the players. If you have that new york media thing behind you like Hillary Clinton had. If you have it like kirsten gillibrand, i think theres power behind that. I would think one of those candidates is going to be a new york candidate, whether its kiersten or Mike Bloomberg. Do you notice this . Three new york candidates. Who is the other . Andrew . Yes. If you have three, all of a sudden the nonnew york candidates are in the race for new york. So its the new york media market in jersey. I want to go back to jonathans point. For a few days oprahs name was bantered about. And while she didnt take the bite, theres an appetite for somebody different, totally different. Michelle . Well, look, i like michelle. After this tour . After this tour, after selling out 12 arenas, shes a rock star even without running. Dont you think a lot of that type now, and again, donald trump changed and created the model for doing that. Dont you think a lot of them sit there and say and look at everything going on in the country, why do i need this . Look at followers, engaged followers on facebook. Oprah is in a different st stratosphere. She has more shes not running. I used to say this about collin powell. Someone said he always looks good. The minute he comes out an guns, he loses half the people. Then abortion rights. Then by the time youre done, youve lost almost everybody. Rudy giuliani learned that in 2008. I love this. Its going to matter soon. Up next, signs of life for democrats in the midwest. 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Ohio is not going to vote the same as michigan, wisconsin and pennsylvania. I think he won it by ten points. The second thing what people dont understand. Ive seen this in all the states. Donald trump did x in 2016. And the republican candidates did y, much lower in 2018. Therefore, it was a referendum on trump. They dont like trump anymore. Trump was a Third Party Candidate to many of those voters. They are sons and daughters of reagan democrats. Just because they voted for trump didnt mean they were a republican voter. Many of the voters, i believe will come back to donald trump. If they have the wrong kind of democrat. The minute they voted barack obama, i believe the message and messenger will matter in terms of democrats. You say the same thing. These things are not galvanized new republicans. They are people on the fence. They are on the fence. I think it matters who we select as our nominee if the democrats can regain the states and rebuild that blue wall. Our recommendation is Hillary Clinton. If you could choose to do that for us, we would be im going to force you to do this. This is on the tape right now. Why do republicans hate hillary . Wait a minute. I want to be clear. Hillary lost pennsylvania, ohio, wisconsin, and michigan. How . Democrats voted for donald trump. Not the republicans didnt put him over. Democrats put him over. I have street credit here. Im from michigan. In michigan what we saw was not so much well, what we saw democrats previous reagan democrats voting. But we also saw real democrats, the base not turn out. This is to donnas point. Everything depends on who you choose. Youre right, john. This is a Midterm Election. And so you cant say trump necessarily lost. He did hold the rural vote and can get those people back out again. What can democrats do . They can also get their people out depending on who the nominee is if, for instance, lets say you choose someone like a Sherrod Brown. Does it have to be someone who dramatizes it . No. It has to be someone who will renigr unite the working class. Somebody like maybe Sherrod Brown could be capable of doing that. Recession . I wouldnt rule out i wouldnt rule out Amy Klobuchar and some of the other democrats as being able to reach those voters. Sherrod brown and Amy Klobuchar. Your thoughts . No johns point, ohio went about 10 points for trump and Sherrod Brown just won it comfortably. Six points or so. Hes got that feel. Ive long thought that Hillary Clintons best running mate in 2016 would have been absolutely. He went to yale, but he doesnt let it show. Okay . He has that working guys gruff voice. He comes off as a labor kind of guy. I think he has the message which is keep be okay. Be solid on the social issues, put economics out front. I a in those states theyre risk proned to the economy. They want to know their president is on their side on trade issues and things like that. Anyway, few voters nationwide, only 25 report trumps trade policies have helped their local economies. According to an nbc exit poll, when you look at voters opinions by region, onethird of those in the east and midwest report their economies have been hurt by trumps trade policies. Only voters in the south report trumps trade policies helped their local economy. John, on this your point . Working guys like bobby case y and Sherrod Brown, theyre the same on trump that for social security, medicare, medicaid, leave them alone, and jobs somewhere near so kids will come home. Theyre synchronized. Does a democrat have to be synchronized on that to win those states from trump . Possibly. The paradox is thats not going to be a primary issue for the democrats. Youre talking about the issues, Sherrod Brown could talk into and others about how well they might be for them in the general election. It doesnt matter. Whatever candidate comes out of the democrat nomination is not going to be because of issues like trade. As you know trade could. Its tied to the economy. In 2016. It could be one of those issues that will galvanize. You dont think it will be health care . Health care, social security. I think it depends on the state. There were layoffs in michigan. Will any republicans step up in 2020 . Will there be a fighter inside the party to topple him . Youre watching hardball. Welcome back to hardball. Widespread concern about the direction this president is taking the country has weakened trumps reelection prospects in 2020, i think. Someone from his own party could further complicate his kanss of becoming a two termer. Jeff flake of arizona, a critic of the president , left open the possibility of challenging trump. Saying im not ruling it out or in. Somebody needs to run on the republican side. By encouraging a primary challenge, flake has changed his tune since he ruled out that possibility of a president ial run on this show last year. Are you going to run for president . No. No. Im sure . This is hardball. Ive got to do this. With the last name flake, how far can you go . With a name like smuckers, its got to be good. Flake is along several republicans whose names have been floated among candidates. Also john kasich. Kasich weighed in on the prospect just before the midterms. Lets listen to the governor. Are you going to primary donald trump . You know, i dont right now how do you think a primary would go . Not great. Youre going to run as an independent . All options are on the table. Were back with heidi przybyla, Donna Brazile and john baybrener. When youre challenged within your party for the renomination for a second term, look out. Youre probably not going to get reelected. Your thoughts . I think gerald ford would have thoughts on that and jimmy carter. Youre right. Its definitely bad news. George senior too. George senior had a problem as well. I think the biggest danger for donald trump is not a primary from his own party but an independent from his own party that takes votes away and denies him the presidency by pulling votes away and n big states and prevents him for winning those from the electoral party. Ive never seen your party, john, so united. Im not sure its healthy. I checked after the primary, after the midterms. 91 of your rank and file voters say theyre with trump. Ive never seen anything like that. Does that mean no matter how difficult things get in this, hes still going to end up with no challenge . If he ran against john kasich today in ohio for governor, trump would win by 30 points. Theres no doubt about it. If you go look at the kpet polls from the last elections, pennsylvania you know well as a good example. Barletta ran as donald trump in the senate. He got 88 of the republican vote. 88 . Theres no Buyer Remorse among republicans. The problem is donald trump loses some of the votes and has to make them up among conservative how does he get those well educated women back after they decide they dont like him . They youll hear a lot of candidates talk about i dont want to make this about donald trump the person. I want to make this about donald trump the agenda which we can get behind. What do you think, heidi . I think johns right. This is not about a primary challenge. This is about a potential independent candidacy. That will all depend on who the democrats are veering toward. Its just like with Mike Bloomberg in 2016. He waited to see who the democrats were veering toward. Since it was Hillary Clinton, a moderate candidate and not Bernie Sanders, he held back. I think it will be the same thing as this process plays out. There will be people who wait in the wings for a potential independent candidate. Who is this independent person . I dont know anybody right now. Theres a reason to be worried about somebody like nikki haley who might be appealing to the middle. She wouldnt run as an independent, but who knows. He might throw mike pence off the ticket. Lets speak about haley. I say what about nikki haley as the paradigm for the woman president ial candidate . I think she has a lot of appeal. Shes a woman of color from a Southern State. I think she can appeal to the middle. Actually, nikki haley specifically ruled out the possibility of running for president when she resigned as ambassador at the u. N. Lets watch. I will say this. For all of you that are going to ask about 2020, no, i am not running for 2020. I can promise you what ill be doing is campaigning for this one. I look forward to supporting the president in the next election. That is not only tough but cute. This one here. I mean, this one. Im sorry. Ive never seen anybody do that before. Pointing to the president. This one here. Shell be a force to be reckoned with in 2024 if she runs. Shes got now the Foreign Policy portfolio to add to her state level experience. A woman of color from a Southern State on the republican side. She could be this nations first woman president. What strikes me about her as a pure political talent, she pulled down the flag ahead of everybody. And when somebody said she was confused, she stopped them and said i dont get confused. Theres something about her. She gets on the galloping horse of history. She doesnt let it go past her. She she have a does she have a shot if trump quits . Who knows. Yeah. Theres no doubt nikki and michael pence, who wins . Theyre close friends. I dont know where that would go. Break my heart. Come on. Its an interesting battle. Id like to think theyd be running together as a pence haley ticket. Shes a rising star in the republican party. In a difficult time she did a great job and did it with grace. And we dont see that often these days. Well, maybe shell get an even bigger job in this administration. Theres also been pressure on ben sass of nebraska to mount a primary challenge. Hes said the prospect is pretty unlikely. What are the odds that you will launch a primary challenge to President Trump or run as an independent and run for president yourself in 2020 . I think the odds are a lot higher that i run for the noxious weed control board in nebraska. I lived on a bus for 16 months five years ago. In my mind i have flash backs of a lot of kid puke on the floor of a bus. I dont think a lot about what job i have. Im pretty happy living in nebraska and going to d. C. Five days a week trying to serve the best way i can. That was the nice image. Yeah. Flash backs from the noxious weeds. I dont even know where to go here. I dont see it. I think theres a void right now in the senate with the death of john mccain for the type of voice that he provided. And hes a young guy. Will mitt romney step up and play that role . Its not that easy to say youre going to play that role in the republican party. Im not sure mitt has to relationship to make that happen. Running in a primary is a lot of fun. Theres no opposition. You meet a lot of people. You go to iowa. Theyre not voting for anybody until they meet each candidate three times. It really isnt as difficult as he makes it. Running for president in primaries is kind of fun as long as you can afford it. Its fun covering them. Its a resort. But its grueling. Getting to know people, sleeping in cities you work harder i love it. I love covering those people. The round table is sticking with us. Up next, a History Lesson about the position trump may find himself in next year. Youre watching hardball. Your mornings were made for Better Things than rheumatoid arthritis. Before you and your rheumatologist move to another treatment, ask if xeljanz xr is right for you. 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Even if President Trump manages to defeat a republican candidate vying for the republican nomination against him in 2020, there could still be consequences. Thats because history shows incumbent president s who have faced primary challenges from within their own party dont fare very well in the general election come november. In 1992 president George Herbert walker bush had to defend himself against patrick buchanan. He later lost to bill clinton. In 1980 president jimmy carter was dogged by a challenge from senator ted kennedy. He beat kennedy, but lost to Ronald Reagan that november. Gerald ford faced a tough primary challenge, and eventually lost to carter. President johnson was weakened by the candidacy of eugene mccarthy, and dropped out of the race. Were back with heidi, jonathan, donna and john. Lets talk about the president and his own party, how does he stand . Is this all over, no matter what happens, is trump the nominee of the republican party, if he chooses to be so . If hes on the ballot and he runs, hes going to be the nominee of the republican party. If youve seen a narrowing of the republican party, but theyre very excited about him to the joint john was making earlier. 90 of republicans are with donald trump. Thats not going to change. Hes got them. Nobodys going to pull that away from him. The danger to him is an independent candidacy that is aimed as a Kamikaze Mission to keep him from staying president. What is the sticky glue that keeps him popular . Its conservative republicans that matter when it comes to this. Thats the base. And so number one, he gave them tax cuts. Number two, he got them two Supreme Court justices. And number three, as mike pence there as his Vice President. Conservatives are sitting there and saying for us, this president s been fabulous. Theyre not going to look among their ranks and say who can we all get behind to take this guy out. Hes also free to pollute the world, right . Theres no more regulations. If you want to get into environment, go for it. But im just saying he is extremely popular, i would even say loved among these groups and therefore there is not going to be another candidate against donald trump. I would suggest that everybody just get that out of their minds now. So the democratic happy Hunting Ground is not republican votes next time, its who is it, independents . Independents. Get the democrats to vote. Independents and also expanding the electorate, getting more young people out there to vote and making sure we choose a candidate that cannot just unite the Democratic Party but also inspire the rest of the country. Thats a hell of a standard. Well, i mean, we have no other choice. Donald trump, i was surprised, looking at some of the exit polls, and i was im like, he is popular in florida. He is popular. I thought he was doomed after several of his missteps. But hes not. Hes popular among the republican base. Therefore democrats have to not just unify the party, but the candidate must also inspire the independents, millennials and others. What allows this candidate, the president of the united states, to get through all these daily things that most people say hes finished now, hes gone, one after another, hes gone, hes gone. He just said something thats racial, thats terrible, hes gone. In a word, tribalism, maybe. I mean, to donnas point i think whoever emerges has to, like i said before, unite the working class. That was the one thread that we saw between bernie krats and trumpsters was that they really believed in this message of the forgotten man and that whole trade message. And economic advancement. The American People are not greedy. They just want what they have, social security, medicare, medicaid, and a job for their kids. Thats what people want in scranton, thats all they want. Give it to them. Heidi przybyla this is hardball where the action is. What were witnessing every day is the story of our time. Whats going on behind the scenes at the white house today . He could find him 168 in jail. He couldnt do this without the best reporters. Can you find out whos writing on this . This one to me is a whole new level. Take cue one. Were going to try to give you the best review of this day in the life of this presidency. No matter when you retire, your income doesnt have to. See how lincoln can help ensure you still have income every month of your retirement, guaranteed, at lincolnfinancial. Com. Americans rose up this november and rejected donald trump. More unhinged by that than ever, this president declared war on the rule of law. But you gave democrats the power to hold him in check. A majority vote in the house can impeach him and expose his lawless behavior for all to see. They just need the will. Please join over six million americans and together we can give congress the courage to act. Then, we can begin building a more just and prosperous future. Thats hardball for now. All in with chris hayes starts right now. Tonight on all in. I am not really shocked or surprised by anything that he may say or do. Defeating trump. You cant let them take your hope away. Thats the energy. Yeah. How the democrats won big in november. If you love your country you fight for people who make it work. What it will take to beat trump in 2020. We need to restore our democracy to the people. When all in starts right now. Good evening from new york, im chris hayes. It has become more and more clear since the Midterm Elections that blue wave people talked about was not just real, but enormous. And now for the First Time SinceDonald Trump Took Office democrats are on the cusp of having real power in the federal