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The Associated Press has called a key figure in the controversy, carter page. Page will join us shortly. First in the news breaking late today. The intercept is reporting that the Russian Military Intelligence Group executed a cyber attack on at least one u. S. Software supplier. The report indicates that russian hacking may have penetrated further into the u. S. Voting systems than was previously understood. In fact, just an hour after the story was posted authorities announced the arrest of the contractor who allegedly leaked that report, according to nbc news. Joining me is ken delaney, intelligence reporter with nbc news. Does this mean that the russians were trying to manipulate the voting itself, the counting of the vote . Theres no evidence of that. Intelligence sources say this document, while interesting, doesnt tell them a whole lot they didnt already know. It just adds further details that the russians were trying to hack into the Voter Registration system. So this document alleges that they sent, for example, 100 spear fishing attempts to election officials, trying to get into their systems, and that they successfully hacked a contractor that worked on Voter Registration systems. Whats interesting is it appears the russians could have done a lot more. For example, changing Voter Registration files so that when people showed up to vote they werent allowed to vote. But that didnt happen. Just to be clear, this document makes no allegations about changing of votes and they say thoutcome of this hack is unclear. The other fascinating thing, the Justice Department announced charges against a 25yearold contractor. Weve confirmed that this woman who worked for the nsa, 25 years old, had just gotten clearance, mailed this document to the intercept. A remarkable story. J. Edgar hoover would be very proud. Last night on nbc, Vladimir Putin said that american jour l Journalist Megyn Kelly had no right to ask him about charges his regime was repressive and killed journalists. Lets watch. Many americans hear the name Vladimir Putin and they think he runs a country full of corruption, a country in which journalists who are too critical could wind up murdered, a country in which dissidents could wind up in jail or worse. To people who believe that, what is your message . Translator i want to say that russia is developing along a democratic path, that is certain, and no one should have any doubt about that. Why do you feel you have the right to ask us these kinds of questions and do it all of the time, to moralize and give us lessons on how to live . Were ready to listen to comments when its done constructively with the goal of establishing a relationship, creating a common environment. But we will absolutely not accept when these sorts of things are used as an instrument of political conflict. I want everyone to know that. Thats our message. Wow, im joined now by carter page, former adviser to the Trump Campaign. Who do you agree with there . Is Vladimir Putin right in saying we have no right to question him . Chris, if he were asked that question once, that would be fine. If hes asked that or if theres allegations constantly every day in all of the major newspapers in the United States and in all of the major cable networks, after months and months and years and years and decades on end, then it becomes a little old. You could imagine if someone sure but if its truie it should be old. Do you believe he does kill reporters who he doesnt like . I dont know anything about that. You think hes innocent of that . I think that its interesting, with the january 6th intel report, one of the big things theyre talking about is that the russian government shouldnt put out certain, quote unquote, propaganda. All of the russian artie and sputnik, the information in there, at least about myself, was infinitely more accurate. You dont believe r. T. Is a propaganda arm of the russian government . All i know is that the information they were putting out was youre a russian expert. What do you mean you dont know whether theyre a propaganda arm . Its infinitely more accurate is it propaganda . Its equally propaganda less prop began is tick than radio europe, radio for liberty which in september and november was repeating the dossier. Im getting the opinion that Vladimir Putin believes and maybe you do too that the bad relations between the United States and moscow right now are caused by american media. No. Thats he seemed to be saying that. No. I think thats one symptom of a larger illness which goes back many, many decades. Do you think we should have better relations with russia . Absolutely. Is that why you went to work for trump . I believe in a lot of you like what trump was saying . More broadly in terms of his Foreign Policy. I think hes really trying to make some significant steps forward. What he was saying as a russian expert, thats how you got in the door, right . Its funny. Im always branded as such. The number of times i talked about russia proportionally is minuscule, partially because these false allegations started against me from the very beginning. Anyway, lets talk about putin again. He also suggested the 2016 hacking might have been carried out by an american intelligence agency. Lets watch that. Translator they can even be hackers by the way, in the United States, who very skillfully and professionally shifted the blame as we say onto russia. Theres a theory that kennedys assassination was arranged by the United States Intelligence Services. So if this theory is correct and that cant be ruled out, then what could be easier in this day and age than using all the technical means at the disposal of the Intelligence Services and using those means to organize some attacks and then pointing the finger at russia. What do you make of that . Well, lets see what happens with these allegations regarding the fisa warrant. He said if the cia killed kennedy which i dont believe is true, then they might have done the hacking, not him. Do you think he did the hacking and has come up with this story about conspiracy so get out of it . Do you believe he did hacking . Ive been hacked. Do you believe that the russians hacked into the dnc and the rest of the effort to try to manipulate this election . Im not fully convinced of that. Youre not . I think january 6 was largely a political stunt. Whats that . Just the two weeks before the election without much basis, i think theres a lot of i have a lot of questions about that january 6th report. The report, the the dni report. Let me ask you about trump. So in other words, the whole american storyline, that 17 u. S. Intelligence agencies that said the russians hacked into our system and tried to manipulate our election, you dont believe . I think thats i havent all i know is that the accusations against myself which is a part of this over all intel story was totally false. Lets talk about it then if they got that wrong lets talk about the encounter you had with kislyaki the Russian Ambassador. You met with him during the convention. Fair enough. Heres how jd gordon described that meeting. Quote, page and kislyak spoke at some length about how to improve relations between the two countries on issues like counterterrorism and energy security. Carter told him we should have a new chapter of u. S. russia relations that built on common goals and theres no need to keep up this hostility. Is that true . I dont recall that conversation. There were brief interactions that thats not a brief interaction. I never had any when you say it was a casual hello, how are you, and at the same time you said you made a deal at the end of the meeting that was off the record. No. No. That was the deal from the beginning. Everyone in that meeting was i never shook hands with somebody and had them say this handshaking is off the record. No. Everyone in that meeting, it was agreed that it was how was that agreement struck . Well, it was announced at the beginning. Who made the announcement . I actually came in late but that was speaking to the organizers. Who were the organizers . I forget their no, you were meeting with a bunch of russians, including kislyak at the Republican Convention and you dont remember who invited you to the meeting . I cant even recall. You cant recall being invited to a meeting with the Russian Ambassador . It wasnt a meeting with the Russian Ambassador, chris. It was meetings with ambassadors around the world. This is whats squirrely about your argument. It was no big deal, it was hello, how are you but it was off the record and we agreed to make it off the record. Whats off the record. In journalism off the record has a particular meaning. You cant use it in a story. You can know it but you cant use it. Theres a lot of meetings, think tanks, et cetera, that sometimes are not for attribution or off the record and thats the was it a sensitive discussion . No. I think its just why would you say off the record . To allow people to have an open discussion without having it broadcast on national television. Did you talk about sajsz . No. You didnt talk about sanctions. Did you talk about improved russian relations with the United States . Youre talking to the Russian Ambassador. I cant recall. Did you talk about ukraine and their sanctions because of that . Definitely not. You didnt talk about that . No. You didnt talk about the stories that the nca had been hacked into . This hasnt even happened yet. This was a week before. What was the conversation about you say its off the record . Do you remember the conversation . The most interesting conversation at the Republican Convention there were a lot of policy discussions in general throughout that week. To me that was the thing that i was most focused on. Unfortunately, were not able to talk about that. Lets try to put this in the context of your thinking, carter. Youre a phd. Right. In what . Central asia. Youre an expert in that part of the world over there, crimea. You joined the campaign, eddie cox, lawyer in new york, helped you get in the door. What was your motive . You liked trumps general world view, nationalism . Its not nationalism. Nothing wrong with it. What do you like about him . I liked the russia issue frankly is very similar to the iraq issue in the 2008 obama campaign. He wanted to start a new step forward in terms of what was going on in iraq, pulling out from this constant conflict weve had over here. My view and i have always believed that and i believe this to this day, he has tremendous potential to actually do that, and i think theres thats a pretty worthy goal. Absolutely. Well unfortunately we cant talk about that because its youre one of the names like manafort and flynn i keep hearing about. It struck me from the outside looking at this that what you guys were trying to do with trumps leadership was to try to restart our relations with russia and try to avoid a second cold war. Youre shaking your head yes or no . I cant read you. Its not that central of an argument. What were all these meetings about . Why were you brought into the campaign if it wasnt because of your russian expertise . I cant speak to that, chris. I have done a lot in International Relations going back throughout most of my life since serving in the navy, since u. S. russia arms control and negotiations in the pentagon. Ive done tens of billions of dollars of energy deals. So you wont tell us about what happened in the meeting because you dont remember or you dont care . Its a big part of the story. You dont think its important to tell anybody this . I think its not an important part of the story. Its important enough for you guys to say this is off the record, nobody talk about what happened at this meeting. Being respectful of discussions. You made charges about people coming after you. You seem okay to me but youre blaming people coming at you because youre catholic. Now, i find that quizzical. Why would you Say Something like that in the 21st century, anticatholicism in american politic politics. Explain. There were interactions were members of the Clinton Campaign which where i got that impression. What did they say . Its a long story. Give me the short version. What did they say against you that made you think it was about religion . I think theres a lot of circumstantial evidence. Ive get into it. No. Here you are. Youve said this and i find it hard to believe. There are arguments about same same sex, abortion rights. These are gumths were all familiar with. We argue about them in the public square. Theres nothing weird about it. There are good arguments. People argue. Whats the argument that you felt was coming against you . Well, ive had a number of discussions with madeleine albright, and she had you know, i had mentioned a number of times the fact that i got my masters in National Security in georgetown and one of the things that i was really inspired by being back after having spent four years with the naval academy, Government Institution where its nonreligious is they have a Famous School there, very Famous School. And i was inspired to being part of the catholic community. Suffice to say, i just didnt there were issues from that discussion where i didnt feel comfortable. I think she was raised catholic anyway. You felt it was anticatholic and this whole thing you think is antireligion . Look, its hard to differentiate when there was definitely a lot of hatred sent against me. The catholic thing is actually something which is covered under the civil rights act. If its true. And you think it is true. You think youre the victim of religious prejudice . I think theres a lot of prejudices. But to me the bigger prejudice, the more immediate thing, is the bigotry and xenophobia against russians. I think thats unfortunately been my big question in this whole thing, if his goal, the candidate you supported, trump, if his goal was to reestablish something beyond the cold war, a good relation between us and russia, if that was the goal and all these meetings that went on with manafort and flynn, you wont tell me what happened at them, if the whole purpose was rapprochement between these two great countries, why wouldnt you brag about it instead of hiding with all this stuff about immunity and fifth amendment rights and executive privilege. Kellyanne conway is talking about it. Everything is trying to be about hiding. Why are you hiding if the grand purpose was peace . Chris, its been an ongoing assault. Why dont you just say what you were doing . Why are you hiding the meetings . The Russian Ambassador at the Republican Convention when theyre shifting language about ukraine and all kinds of stuff in the platform and you wont tell me what the meeting was about. The meeting was about nothing. Why is it secret, off the record . Because the russians have been lied to with nato expansion as a key element. They were told at the end of the cold war that were not going to expand verbal, it was nothing legal not even the Baltic States were going to join nato. Was ukraine really on the verge gorbachev and reagan. Tip oneal was involved in terms of helping push this forward. In terms of helping to encourage steps forward. You felt that was a threat to russia . Well, i think if the was a better relationship, could you imagine if tip oneal tried doing what harry reid tried doing to me. What did he do . Sending a letter to the fbi director saying please investigate this guy because he owns a few shares in gas. Can you imagine . Let me ask you your bottom sentiment about this. You think the United States and russia should get together, you think that was the whole effort, all the trump people were involved in that . I dont think thats the whole effort. What is it . Whats the elephant in the room . Its a fake elephant, chris. Youre meetings, the secret meetings, didnt accomplish anything, Nothing Happened . Absolutely not. Nothing. I was a small fry in this. You have a goal which is to improve our relations with russia. Manafort was somewhat related, flynn was related to that. What were they all doing . I think its totally youre with Vladimir Putin last night with megyn saying theres nothing to it, nonsense. You agree with putin . I havent seen anything and it will be interesting to see if anyone comes out with anything. Comey thinks theres something and hell be testifying thursday. Brennan thinks theres something there. All our intelligence agencies believe the russians messed with us, meddled in our election, and you dont agree with that . I hope we find out about the wire tapping that was done against me. Keep fighting your fight. Help me out a little here. Thank you, carter page. Thanks. Coming up, President Trumps unmored reaction to the terror attack in london. He used the horror over there this weekend to take a shot at the mayor of london and to make the argument for his original muslim ban again which even his allies say could hurt his case in court. Thats ahead. Plus were three days away from one of the most anticipated congressional hearings in a long time. As i said, fired fbi director james comey is going to fire back when he testifies about whether trump pressured him to drop the investigation of Michael Flynn. Also the whole question about whether he promised trump he wasnt under investigation. Questions of obstruction of justice flying at us on thursday night. And a stunning report in politico that President Trumps ser senior Foreign Policy team was blindsided. They were sure President Trump would reaffirm protecting members of nato. He took it out of his speech at the last minute. Finally, we finish with trump watch. You wont like it. 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His first tweet pushed his his travel ban to be reinstated. Then he offered support to the people of britain. He also attacked the mayor of london personally, sadiq khan. Quote, at least seven dead and the mayor of london says theres no reason to be alarmed. In fact, the president took the mayors words out of context. He was referring to the presence of more Police Officers in the streets. Lets watch what the mayor actually said. Just like terrorists are constantly evolving, finding new ways to disrupt us, harm us, attack us, the police and experts and all of us are finding new ways to keep us safe. London will see an increased Police Presence today and over the course of the next few days. No reason to be alarmed. Thats what he meant by no reason to be alarmed. President trump doubled down again, tweeting, pathetic excuse by london mayor who had to think fast on his no reason to be alarmed statement. Mainstream media is working hard to sell it. Sarah Huckabee Sanders denied the president took the mayors words out of context. The president directly misrepresented what the mayor of london said. I dont think thats true. The media wants to spin it that way. You think thats what he was saying . Look, i think that the point is, there is a reason to be alarmed. We have constant attacks going on, not just there but across the globe, and we have to start putting National Security and Global Security at an alltime high. President trump has been very clear thats his priority and hes not backing away from that. Were joined by washington correspondent for the bbc katie kay, msnbc security adviser analyst and chief Foreign Correspondent richard engle. We all came across the bad news that in belgium thats an area which is trouble for that country. Its seething with radical slammislam i islamism. People retreat to that area as a safe area. Does london have something as dangerous as that in its geography . Reporter um, actually it does. There are quite a few very angry communities here when you talk to police and security sources. They talk about a pool of around 20,000 people who have some form of radical ideology and that they prioritize the most urgent cases and they say they are watching at any one stage 3,000 people as persons of interest. So thats a pretty large pool when youre talking about a country of about 65 million. So unfortunately, yes, there is a radicalization problem, and i think it was evident today. More details emerged about the attackers who carried out the London Bridge attack, and one of them was part of a very well known extremist group, a group that is openly professed its sympathy for isis. In fact, one of the attackers who has been named by authorities appeared in a British Channel 4 documentary expressing his sympathies for very radical ideologies. He had been known to police before. In fact, neighbors said that they had tipped off police that he was a dangerous person who was trying to recruit children to his cause. So theres a lot of soul searching going on in this country, not only about the depth of the problem of the radicalization but also about the police response. Nobody wants there to be blanket surveillance, nobody wants there to be targeting of muslim communities, but if people come out and are expressing radical views and the neighbors come and tip them off and nothing is done, there does seem to be a problem. Richard engle, thank you so much from london. Let me go back to catty kay now. Lets talk about london a bit. I know youre over here all the time, but what theresa may is up for reelection. He talked tough the other day, i thought appropriately. The question is, is there a tougher policy britain could be following, more trumpian than theyre following . Theresa may came out and said enough is enough. Its not clear what that means in terms of policy. When she was home secretary she was accused of diminishing the number of police. Thats what the left in london is saying. I think people who are in counterterrorism have said that was the case. You need police at the right time in the right place. If these are going to be home grown terrorists and the three attacks weve had in three months it seems that they were actually british citizens, were going to rely on muslim communities. If those muslim communities do give warnings to the police and then those warnings are ignored it makes it much harder. This is like minority report, how in the world do you know when a person who is radical as hell, mad at the west, mainly religious but mainly attitude. It could be misfits, it could be all kinds of reasons people do what they do, brain soup we call it, how do you know theyre going to go running with a knife and kill people. They didnt buy bomb equipment. They one day made a decision to let themselves die in a cause that they found themselves taken by, how do you stop that if youre a cop . It was low tech and soft targets but in this case it was done by a team of three people. Now, thats a lead for investigators because they had to coordinate. They had to communicate, they had to rent a vehicle. They didnt have to. They used social media but they could have talked on the phone. They could have met at a park. But all of those things give investigators ways to listen to were they agitated by online moolahs . Its almost a certainty that they were radicalized and recruited online. Though its a low tech attack, its ahigh tech recruitment effort. Why knives . There is not much access to guns in britain. This is an argument against the trump position. He said if they had guns it would have stopped them. If these guys with their motivation, if they could have gott gott gotten semiautomatic weapons they would have gotten them. You spray people. Back to the president. In a series of tweets since saturday night, President Trump pushed for his travel ban to be reinstated. Shortly after the attack he tweeted, we need the travel ban as an extra level of safety. That seemed to contradict the language from his surrogates who took pains to say its not a ban. This morning the president said people, the lawyers and the courts, can call it whatever they want but im calling it what we need and what it is, a travel ban. And the Justice Department should have stayed with the original travel ban, not the watered down politically correct version they submitted to the supreme court. For months by the way trumps aides and advisers tried to argue that the plan wasnt a travel ban at all. Lets watch some of that. This is not a travel ban. This is a temporary pause that allows us to better review the existing refugee and visa vetting system. I want to go back to the issue of this travel ban. First of all, its not a travel ban. When we use words like travel ban, that misrespects what it is. Its a vetting system to keep america safe, thats it, plain and simple. President trumps tweet, if the ban were used hes using the words that the media is using. Those are his words. Jeremy . Justification for this was that over the next 90 days terrorists were going to be streaming over the boreder. That was 120 days ago. Obviously theyve been able to do the vetting but the ban was unnecessary. I think thats going to hurt their argument in court. Then the president today saying his Justice Department took the wrong position. Hes in charge of the Justice Department. Theres been a lot of attacks on britain that have been thwarted. Why is britain getting targeted . We have a large number of people who went to syria or who cant go to syria. We have a radicalization that goes on inside prisons, radicalization that happens in schools and we have a large Muslim Population linked to libya and libya is the new breeding ground for islamic militants. Those are the populations these are coming from. Thank you. Up next, with three days to go before james comeys blockbuster testimony, reaction to what we heard tonight from carter page and a preview of coming ataxes. This is hardball, where the action is. Im leaving you, wesley. But why . You havent noticed me in two years. I was in a coma. Well, i still deserve appreciation. Who was there for you when you had amnesia . You know i cant remember that. Stop this madness. If its appreciation you want you should both get snapshot from progressive. It rewards good drivers with big discounts on car insurance. Its a miracle. I can walk again. Go back to your room, susan lucci. Its a miracle. I can walk again. Deartheres no other way to say this. Its over. 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Heres White House Deputy press secretary sarah Huckabee Sanders. The president s power to exert executive privilege is very well established. However, in order to facilitate a swift and thorough examination of the facts sought by the Senate Intelligence committee, President Trump will not assert executive privilege regarding james comeys scheduled testimony. Comey has delivered bombshell statements in the past. He once detailed how the Bush White House pressured John Ashcroft into authorizing a Surveillance Program that was questioned by the Justice Department, this is while ashcroft was hospitalized. Lets watch. This was a very memorable period in my life, probably the most difficult time in my entire professional life. I was very upset. I was angry. I thought i had just witnessed an effort to take advantage of a very sick man. Although we did not find clear evidence that secretary clinton or her colleagues intended to violate laws governing the handling of classified information, there is evidence that they were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information. I have been authorized by the department of justice to confirm that the fbi, as part of our Counter Intelligence mission, is investigating the russian governments efforts to interfere in the 2016 president ial election. And that includes investigating the nature of any links between individuals associated with the Trump Campaign and the russian government and whether there was any coordination between the campaign and russias efforts. As with any Counter Intelligence investigation, this will also include an assessment of whether any crimes were committed. Im joined by California Democratic representative Eric Swalwell whos a member of the house intelligence committee. What did you make of carter page on the show tonight . He denied everything, denied the russians were involved with meddling, denied any role by americans, the trump people. Absolutely denied any substance of the meetings he had with kislyak, the ambassador from russia, denied everything. Theres nothing there, he was arguing. Chris, i have heard straighter answers from 3yearolds with their hands in the cookie jars. It was perplexing. We hope to hear from him in our committees investigation. When are you going to get to carter . Hopefully soon. We have documents that we would like to have him produce. Were going to interview other relevant witnesses and review other relevant documents, but we just want to know if people were talking to the russians at the time of their interference campaign, what they were up to, what the russians were up to, and then well draw conclusions after that. What do you make of him saying he had a meeting with kislyak and the guy gordon was there, the naval commander. I think a credible witness who talked about it. Then they had all these meetings about how to improve russian relations, deal with everything, blah blah blah, and then saying Nothing Happened, thats what he said tonight, he doesnt remember any of that. The memory loss is how do you deal with memory loss with these people, claimed memory loss . Memory loss seems to be affecting a number of people on the Trump Campaign team and who are now serving in the administration. Look, chris, it is not against the law to have relationships with foreign nationals, but russia is a different type of foreign country. Its a foreign adversary, a country that was attacking us, so we want to understand what was the nature of these relationships, how deep were the personal, political and financial ties, and also understand just exactly what were these u. S. Persons associated with the trump team doing while russia was attacking us. Scale of one to ten, how much you trust comey when he says something. Ten. I dont believe hes trying to intentionally deceive or out for anything other than to follow the evidence. Hell be a great witness on thursday for the senate side . I think he will illuminate just whether the president crossed the line, whether the president was pressuring him to end the russia investigation, whether the president wanted him to let his pile of Michael Flynn off the hook and also whether the department of justice was stone walg comey if he was making additional requests for additional resources. Apparently hes been told hes not allowed to bring documents with him but he certainly has a memory and would seem to be able to describe everything he put in those me s memos. And you heard his testimony a few years back about the interaction with the attorney general at the hospital bed. Moments when you interact with the president , chris, you never forget them. Ive met president s obama, bush and trump and you hang onto the details when you interact with them in your own mind so i dont expect his memory is going to be an issue. Its going to be something thursday night. Its like john dean again. Thank you so much, u. S. Congressman. Up next, President Trump blind sides his own Foreign Policy team. We are like the leaders of the world, the head of the free world we like to say. We were and have been. Then he goes over there and says were not looking out for you guys anymore, youre on your own. Thats what he did over there in sicily. Youre watching hardball, where the action is. Will your business be ready when growth presents itself . American express open cards can help you take on a new job, or fill a big order or expand your office and take on whatever comes nex find out how American Express cards and services can help prepare you for growth at open. Com. 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Commitment to natos article five which says an armed attack on one member of nato is an attack on all members. Politico magazine is reporting that President Trumps National Security team was blindsided by his speech because he appeared to delete the mention three of his advisers spent weeks on that speech to make sure it was included. It was not until he started delivering the speech that his National Security team realized trump had failed to include the language reaffirming the socalled article five provision. With major consequence or informing them in exchange. Susan, thank you. You know, ive got a little thing at the end of the show but the idea of being the free world has been our pride, were the worlds democracy, free elections, selfdetermination, the values of the west which weve been able to extend through africa and latin america. A lot of countries in the world look to us as a model, and security is at the heart of that. Also, the russians never liked nato because it works, because it worked. It kept germany in our hands and eventually got germany entirely in our hands, brought the Baltic States in. I dont think were ever headed for ukraine but i dont know, they dont like nato. They dont like nato. Somebody said to me the corks were popping in moscow when President Trump refused to reiterate his commitment to article five. Why did that matter . Well, because of course of trumps own rhetoric during the campaign. And it was trump who called into question our commitment to this thing which by the way, the United States is legally obligated to this treaty which we have. President trump on the Campaign Said nato was obsolete. Those cabinet officers you mentioned have spent the last four months begging, cajoling, trying to convince our allies in europe, no, no, he didnt really mean it, its fine, they got President Trump to say, okay, nato is no longer obsolete. But theyve tried multiple times, and my reporting has shown this, to get him to explicitly affirm this. They thought they had one, this internal argument. They had a draft of a speech written, ready to go, signed off on by h. R. Mcmaster. What i found striking was the way our european allies reacted to this. At this point the gloves are off. They took it seriously. Incredibly se ly seriously. They were going to see how it was going to go, talk him down backstage and see what would work. Well, it didnt work. Talk him down from a cliff, hes about to jump out a window, thats the way it sounds. Thats exactly how they feel. First of all, i think it bears repeating that article five, this mutual defense thing, has only ever once been called into action. 9 11. For 9 11. It was actually in our defense. But what happened we have a time problem here. Im sorry. Im just going to say this. General mattis has to run to australia and tell everybody, bear with us, bear with us, bear with us. The problem is people are going to tolerate this now but if it continues, if he continues to say these things about nato, a marriage dies about two years before its official. At some point were going to need them symbolically and maybe practically to come to our aid. If the president continues in this behavior, our european allies may not be there for us. Its a group effort. The roundtable is sticking with us and up next these people will tell me something i dont know. Be right back. Hear the difference versus oral b. In a recently published clinical study, Philips Sonicare diamondclean outperforms oralb 7000, removing up to 82 more plaque and improving gum health up to 70 more. Its Sonic Technology cleaning deep between teeth. From the most recommended sonic toothbrush brand by dental professionals. Switch to Philips Sonicare today. Philips sonicare. Save when you buy now. Philips sonicare. I am totally blind. I lost my sight in afghanistan. 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Of course, we all know theres a british general election on thursday which you may not know it is the first over 25 years where the sitting american president doesnt have any of his major Campaign Team helping out the parties. So were not meddling. For once, were not meddling. Susan . When i was reporting that story about nato, the thing i heard that was the most intriguing from multiple sources, but we need to know more about it, so all your listeners tell us, the private dinner with the european leaders and President Trump was even more stressful and negative than the public speech. Great to know that about our leader. When we return, let me finish with trump watch. Youre watching it, hardball. Brian, i just need to know if the customer app will be live monday. Can we at least analyze customer traffic . Can we push the offer online . Brian, i just had a quick question. Brian . Brian. Legacy technology can handcuff any company. But yes is here. 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All those years the democratic west as democracy expanded into latin america and africa, into asia. Human rights and selfdetermination and elections, we led that push. We were the good guys. And now i dont know what mood donald trump was in this weekend, but his tweets say he was in a bad one, with london hit by terrorism saturday, he saw it as a chance to sell the travel ban and knock the mayor of london someone hes come to dislike. The problem is the pettiness is bigtime with trump, the same one that tweets the cheap shots just got back from europe where he jettisoned to standing with other nato countries if we were attacked. Why would he put word out there that were not a faithful member of the group of countries that stood against soviet russia. Why do we advocate leadership of a winning team and alliance with europe that succeeded in keeping peace. Why the anger. Why the pettiness. Why the cheap shots and all those allies which spent years having on the same side. Were watching u. S. Foreign policy take the form of Donald Trumps psyche. You have to wonder when the weird is going to come and actually become dangerous. Thats hardball for now. Thanks for being with us. All in with chris hayes starts right now. Tonight, on all in why is the president picking a fight with the mayor of london right after the city was hit with a terror attack . I dont understand why donald trump is trying to undermine a man whos trying to protect the people of london. It makes no sense. Tonight at london, why the president of the United States is lashing out at the citys mayor. At the courts. At democrats. And at his own executive branch. Plus, new reporting alleges russian hacking days before the election at the department of justice announces an arrest. Then, comey day is coming. The dinner was