Be the conspiracy theorist appears 3 million votes illegal aliens. The report is actual lay tweet. The person who authored the tweet wont explain how he arrived at his figure. He would also not say what the data is or where it came from or what methodology he used. Trumps press secretary backed him up and suggested a white house investigation could happen. Reporter does the president believe that millions voted illegally in this election . The president does believe that. He stated before his concerns of voter fraud and people voting illegally in the campaign. Reporter what evidence do you have . As i said, i think the president has believed that for a while based on study and information he has. Reporter wouldnt he want an investigation of this . As ive noted several times now, hes believed that for a long time and he won fairly overwhelmingly reporter im asking you why not investigate maybe we will. Do you believe there was widespread reporter how could he be comfortable with no, hes very comfortable with his win. Its an electoral based system, he got 306 electoral votes. Its the second time the hes been forced to defend his questionable numbers to the press. Here he was on saturday night. We know that 420,000 people used the d. C. Public transit yesterday, which compares to 317,000 that used for president obamas last inaugural. This was the largest audience to ever witness an inauguration period, both in person and around the globe. You dont want to get your train schedule from this guy. According to the Washington Post, after sean spicer delivered that rebuke to the press saturday night, many critics thought he went too far and compromised his own integrity. The president thought he was not strong enough. Michael steele is the former chair of the Republican National committee. This is really weird. I thought that jeff zeleny of the New York Times had a great question. He said to sean spicer, do you believe this 3to5 million vote theft by Illegal Immigrants . Because it forced him to admit, okay, im a flak. Im just here doing my job. I have a boss watching on the nanny cam. I better say the right thing with force but he didnt say he believed it. He clearly dodged the question. I think the reason why is because hes the spokesperson who is channelling donald trump, both the message, the facts or the alternative facts as the case may be and even the tone and demeanor and when he can swing it, the look. That is his job and it what every press secretary demands of his press secretary. Why would donald trump leak through his confidante saying she didnt like the fact that the preds of the United States doesnt like the fact that he doesnt own any dark suits. So in walks sean spicer with a dark suit for the the first time. Is this how the president communicates with his National Spokesman . Why didnt he call him and say wear a dark suit tomorrow. Either way sean certainly got the message. You could see he changed the color, the cut flashy tie. He looked a lot better in Donald Trumps eyes, i think. Hes leaking the fact he doesnt like the guys looks. This is like hes casting Miss Universe again. What about the 3 to 5 Million People, i assume he means hispanic people coming into the country without papers as somebody who didnt vote for him, though 29 of his panic voters did vote for him. Im going to steal your line here. Theres 11 Million People here in the country illegally. That means 3 million of this many risk coming out. That shows patriotism. I would give them all citizenship now. You are in the roosevelt room with the Political Leadership of both parties talking about your agenda. That would tell me you won the election. It not like youre sitting a the a cafe having a cold cup of coffee trying to figure out what happened in your election. So the focus on the fact that 3 Million People, 5 Million People, its all about having lost the popular vote to hillary clinton. Thats what rubs this man to his core. And the problem is his people cant get him off of that stick. This is what hes still fighting over the number of people who showed up at the inauguration. He argues over the poll numbers on who won the debates. What seems to matter most to donald trump through the campaign and up to now is donald trump and the fact that he cant get off the stick, as you put it. And when he goes to the cia wall that memorialized whats the stick . He just cant get off that issue. Goes to the cia, stands in front of a wall that commemorates people who died, he goes on how he knows tom brady. It leads him to believe delusional issues. He got to go in and argue with congress, tough cookies like Chuck Schumer and paul ryan. Hes got to argue facts with them. Donald trumps assertion, thats all it is, that millions of Illegal Immigrants while in the country illegally illegally voted for him was peddled online by conspiracy expert. The california secretary of state called it is corrosive lie. Lets watch. Did you feel the need to correct him . And does it trouble you he continues to hold a belief like this that isnt based in fact . Ive already commented on that. Ive seen no evidence to that effect and ive made that very, very clear. I have no evidence whatsoever and i dont know that anyone does. If there were that many illegal people who voted. And frankly it doesnt matter. Hes the president and whether 20 Million People voted, it doesnt matter anymore. Hes the president and im not sure why he brought it up. Im telling you, he is now the president of the United States, hes the chief Law Enforcement officer and as such, he sits at the top of our legal structure, hes atop of the legal branch. This has to stop. He needs to share with us the information he has or he needs to recant this. Im kind of amazed that even the major metropolitan papers, the quality papers like yours and the times and the wall street journal, they try to avoid radical language. Lie was on the front page of New York Times today, that these numbers hes putting out of lies. I think journalists realized this election cycle was taking place in a posttruth world. When you have the facts that something is a falsehood, something is bogus, something is not true, then it is okay to call it what it is, which is simply a lie. Thats what youre seeing happening in these papers. I think they have to. They have to call it they have to call it what it is. Because otherwise you do get sucked into that alternative fact, universe. And that is not the space that i think the american press, of whatever david, you havent worked on the inside. I have. At some point the people around the president , men, women of whatever age, whatever vintage they are politically have to go up and say, boss, im your biggest true believer, youve got to drop this rap. This is no good for you. You got to say like you did with the birther thing he really didnt get off the birther thing. He did. He said he was born in america. But he wouldnt fess up to the fact that he had done this for five years. And throughout the campaign again and again we sat at this very table, chris, from the time he attacked john mccain onward and said why dont the people around him tell him to stop tweeting, stop say tacking Miss Universe, and the truth of the matter is he cant, he wont and its not going to stop. This is our president. Get used to it. Apparently youre right but he seems unwilling to let it go when it comes to the size of his inaugural crowd. He tweeted out today again this image, a photo delivered yesterday that will be displayed in the upper lower press hall. According to congressman steny hoyer, the top being of crowd size came up. He didnt change his view of the crowd size. He brought it up . From his perspective, a very, very large crowd. We didnt push it beyond that. It was clear this was still on his mind. Im going to be a little bipartisan here. You werent here but i was here during the whole clinton mess. For a long time i sort of watched the people and thought who is going to be honest during this real mess . You have a president saying something thats not true, Everybody Knows its true, he did have this relationship, whatever you think of it, but some people like carville would never deny it. He would say this itsy bitsy sex thing. When you make people lie with you, the cabinet secretary is going to be asked this, theyre going to have to lie with him, youre misusing your office thoroughly. If it gets to be like kim jong un. What do they think about kim jong un . He thinks hes the greatest novelist in the world and theyre all supposed to say it . And he can play basketball really well. When you make people lie for you if you cant take advice on these issues of war and peace and the economy and you cant accept other facts that are beyond what you assume, you cant make good decisions, the people around you cant do their jobs and the American Public loses faith in you, as it already has. Thank you, michael steele. Coming up, trumps meeting with Union Leaders at the white house. Well find out what happened at that meeting with two Union President s. Will he get behind them if he can get their people more work . We been talking about this for a long time. Great thing for the American Worker what we just did. That was President Trump, yesterday formally withdrawing the tpp. And last night President Trump convened leaders from the construction, carpenters, plumbers from the trade union. We just officially terminated tpp. [ applause ] were going to stop the ridiculous trade deals that are taking everybody out of our country and taking companies out of our country. The president reiterated his Campaign Promise to direct billions towards infrastructure investments. Sean mcgarvey is president of the Building Trades union and he said trump gave him the impression that the american citizenry and american treasury will be investing in infrastructure. Listen. We will build the next generation of roads, bridges, railways, tunnels, seaports and airports. That, believe me, folks, is what our country deserves. Joining me now are two Union Leaders at that meeting with President Trump. Terry osullivan and mark mcmanus. Gentlemen, thank you for coming on. Are you guys happy that trump at least is talking the talk about infrastructure jobs, real highpaying jobs, real jobs . Absolutely. Heres what was impressive, chris. He gets inaugurated on friday. Monday the Building Trades had a meeting with the president , the Vice President and all of his key staff. And that meeting was based on a whole host of things, but infrastructure was the main tenet of that. And so we talked about infrastructure, we talked about good paying, familysupporting jobs. So we are more than encouraged by the meeting. The president s a builder, were builders. Mark, is he talking about government doing this . Highways are governments business, bridges are government businesses, airports to some extent are, train stations are and rail is. Is he talking about laying out money or is he talking about tax breaks . Hes talking about the government laying down money and talking about Public Private partnerships. We have different funds that we can be partnerships that we do traditionally well with for our members. So there is a bit of a discussion on that. Tax breaks wasnt in the discussion but its all of the above and were for it. More than encouraged. I know its rare in this city of washington to see a deal made. Schumer is talking about a trillion dollars now. Do you think they can get together and do something . We certainly hope. Its all been a bipartisan issue. Highways have always been. And theres no reason it cant be as well. What is encouraging is our conversation with the president , his plan to have a massive Infrastructure Spending and the democrats in the senate talking about it as well. Its on the front burner, were encouraged by that and we look forward to working with everybody to make it a reality. Ive said this 2,000 times on this show, its the problem of nothing getting done. The republicans, trusted to spend the money but they wouldnt do it. Theyre fight fisted. Democrats want to spend the money but theyre not trusted to spend it. So we have the wild card right now. Mr. Trump, President Trump. Can he get the people who dont like to spend to spend and the people who do spend not waste . I think if were previous districting what President Trump can do, i do have optimism coming out of that meeting, talking with senator schumer and talking with the white house staff, theres a deal to be made and its good for the country. I think the good leadership in senator schumer and the good leadership of the president of the United States who wants to get off to the right start. I do think theres a deal and in this town im optimistic for a deal. When he started talking about making it with american pipe, i think people are going to like that. Thats my hunch. Absolutely. Our steel. This was a big day. Less than 24 hours ago we were in the roosevelt room and the oval room, mark, myself and some other labor leaders talking about these very issues and in less than 24 hours theres five executive orders that are going to make a difference in our economy, our country and in the lives of men and women we represent. Chris, youre going to love this part, he asked to bring a plumber in, a steam fitter in, a pipe coverer, a sheet metal worker. He wanted rank and file guys who had they had jeans on. Theres some respect there. Good first step. I hope you guys stay in touch with us. I didnt vote for the guy, big secret here, but i do like the infrastructure stuff. Theres a couple things about trump that i liked from the beginning. This is the big part. Terry osullivan and terry mcmanus. Peace in northern ireland. When we return, let me finish with the Academy Award nominations today. This is hardball where the action is. Let me finish tonight with the Academy Award nominations today. First some nominees i recommend you see. La la land. If this movie doesnt float your boat, youve got pretty bad holes in it. Its about hollywood and hope and talent and the willingness to believe in it. See it if you want to see Ryan Gossling and emma stone dance together. Hidden figures is about the good people that make us great, the people that get passed over when the spotlight turns and just go see it. It will thrill you. Moonlight is about the mystery of who we are, a quiet look at the lives we lead so alone, so in the dark with lifelong drama. Hell or high water is pure americana. I havent seen fences but im big on Denzel Washington but my wife kathleen was crying after she saw the movie. Theres a lot of buzz about the many men and women of color about the oscar nominees. Thats good. Whats really good are the movies theyre in. Thats hardball for now. Thanks for being with us. Join us tomorrow at 7 00 eastern. See you then. This is the silverado special edition. This is one gorgeous truck. Oh, did i say theres only one special edition . Because, actually theres 5. Aaaahh ooohh uh holy mackerel. Wow. Nice. Strength and style. Which ones your favorite . laughter come home with me trade up to the silverado all star edition and get an average total value of eight thousand one hundred fifty dollars when you find your tag. Find new roads at your local chevy dealer. Tonight on all in. It was a comment he made on a long standing belief. President trumps first conspiracy theory. I think he stated his concerns of voter fraud and people voting illegally during the campaign and he continues to maintain that belief based on studies and evidence people have presented to him. Tonight, why Donald Trumps voting delusion matters and why, as the executive orders fly, republicans are cheering. Democrats keep up the fight on nominees. I dont know why you wont be willing to answer whether or not youre in favor of block granting medicaid. Thats not complicated. The latest alternative Fact Checking from the briefing room. The president s actions today will create tens of thousands of new jobs. Are the National Parks back to subtweeting the president . And inside the Washington Post report of fury and tumble already boiling over inside the trump white house. And they said donald trump did not draw well. I said it was almost raining. When all in starts right now. Good evening from new york. Im chris hayes. We are five days into the presidency of donald trump although we should note the white house considers this to be only President Trumps second working day