we're covering all the latest on hillary clinton and her campaign at bloombergpolitics.com. we'll see you tomorrow. coming up, "hardball" with chris matthews. sick day -- let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. hillary clinton is in chappaqua resting from a weekend that wasn't supposed to go this way. diagnosed with pneumonia on friday, she decided to, as they say in big-time sports, play hurt. as can often happen that turned out to be a bad call. under the hot sun of sunday morning her condition turned for the worst. you can judge the pictures for yourself because video surfaced of clinton waiting to get into her van after leaving the ceremony early yesterday. she was unsteady and clearly
required support. she seemed to be losing her footing there. she went to her daughter's apartment next, later emerging and waving to the crowd, unfortunately, a second decision was made to keep the whole matter from the public. that's when a bad day took a turn for the worst. the clinton campaign put out word because of the heat down at that ceremony for 9/11 secretary clinton left the occasion earlier than scheduled. her people now say keeping what actually happened secret was, as they said, a bad call. here they are. >> i think that in retrospect we could have handled it better in terms of providing more informati information. we put priority on making sure she was okay. as soon as she got into the vehicle she was alert the whole time and was telling staff that she was fine. i do think that in those 90 minutes that elapsed we could have gotten information out more quickly, and that's on the staff. that's on us, and we regret that. >> it wasn't until sunday evening, however, that the campaign disclosed that clinton had been diagnosed with
pneumonia on friday to tamp down concerns, of course, her doctor put out a statement she was recovering well. two questions, one i think can be resolved with quickly if dealt with honestly, hillary clinton's health prognosis. if her pneumonia is of the type that can allow her to continue at the robust pace needed, is it okay for her to keep being a candidate? that's a question for the doctors themselves. the other question yesterday's incident raised can only be answered by the voters' attention to the candidate. are they willing to accept her instincts for controlling information about herself? are they open to giving her other strength as a possible president to live with her propensity to release news only when releasing it is the only option? are they ready to accept rolling disclosure admitting to the truth only when the truth is out in the public already. when there's an iphone airing showing you being lift ed ined car. this afternoon clinton tweeted, thanks to everyone who has
reached out with well wishes. i'm feeling fine and getting better. she said like everyone else, anyone who has ever been home sick from work, i'm just anxious to get back out there. see you on the trail soon. that's good campaign flakry. we do wish her well. she has canceled a trip to california for a fund-raiser. bill clinton will go in her place. that makes sense. both the clinton campaign and donald trump are both promise ing additional medical information soon to be released later in the week. we'll believe it when we see it. let's watch. >> it is our intention that in the next couple of days we'll be releasing additional medical information about hillary clinton. we've been in touch with her physician this morning to get those materials together. we're going to be releasing that to further put to rest any lingering concerns about what saw yesterday. >> last week i took a physical, and i'll be releasing when the numbers come in. hopefully they're going to be good. i think they're going to be good. i feel great. but when the numbers come in i'll be releasing very, very specific numbers.
>> i'm joined by nbc's kristen welker. let me ask you one simple question that's going to linger. did the clinton campaign intend to keep secret for whatever reason her pneumonia prognosis from pry dfriday until it becam obvious there was something wrong? >> i think you have a couple problems, chris, behind the scenes. one, all of the controversies that were being spun up by some republicans questioning secretary clinton's health and, number two, the 9/11 memorial. i have been told by democratic sources close to the campaign, close to secretary clinton, she was not going to miss the 9/11 memorial. she was a senator on september 11th. this was personal for her. so i think there was a sense in the campaign that the candidate was feeling pressure from all sides and that's part of what delayed it. and you also had secretary clinton saying she could power through. she wasn't coughing on saturday. and so she felt as though she
could go to the memorial. based on my conversation with sources, there was an intention to at some point divulge the information to the public. the question is when, how would that have happened, and would we know at this point if we didn't have that video? those remain open questions. the campaign obviously pushing back on that, but it does feed into the broader questions about transparency. i think that's why you're seeing her campaign officials come out today and say, hey, we could have done a better job. i anticipate when secretary clinton gets back out on the campaign trail, chris, she will need to address that head-on to put this criticism to rest. >> you know, the problem for me out there -- i'm not a big part of the story. i'm a minuscule part of it. just one of the people commenting on the campaign. i've been saying there's no real evidence of hillary clinton having a serious health problem. we were arguing that with former new york mayor rudy giuliani as recently as thursday and he was saying, oh, no, look at the internet information, which is not very valuable, of course. in fact, not reliable. but look at all the coughing
spells she's had. when you covered, did you see any extreme coughing that would suggest pneumonia? >> well, that cough that we saw about a week ago in ohio in which secretary clinton really struggled to catch her voice and to catch her breath. it was a coughing fit that went on for over two minutes. it was quite notable. she tried to joke about it. she said i'm allergic to donald trump, but being there in the crowd, you knew that the cough was significant. now, of course, she said that was a cough due to allergies, but now we have this diagnosis. the clinton campaign, part of why they want to release the medical records, is to make the point the only thing that is wrong here is pneumonia and this is obvious ly something that is treatable with antibiotics. worth pointing out, chris, a number of her campaign staffers also got sick with serious colds, and i know at least two of them who also had pneumonia. so it does seem as though there's something going around the clinton campaign. other than the coughing spell i didn't see any signs she was
dealing with something serious. >> i didn't know you were doing so much work on the medical front. we have during this campaign. trump has also promised to put out his latest medical report from last week, his examination. thank you, kristen welker. this morning president obama's rm toer chief of staff, former chief strategist, rather, david axelrod, ripped them. he said antibiotics can take care of pneumonia. what's the cure for an unhealthy penchant for privacy? it was a tough comment by axelrod about the clinton campaign which means clinton. joining me is jonathan allen, a great book about hillary, and heidi wrote a story today. i will get to the biographer here. what does this say in all fairness objectively? does hillary clinton have a penchant for privacy? beyond the usual normal american penchant to keep your own
personal health to yourself. >> well, the answer to that is yes but is this going to be a case that mag if i nice that and makes it a deal breaker for the american people? probably not. you can look -- >> a weak breaker? >> maybe. you can look at the pieces of this and what brian fallon said and put this together and figure out what happened here which was she knew on friday she was sick. she thought i can take the antibiotics and power through this and we'll see what happens on monday. that didn't exactly work out. >> do you think she was ever going to disclose if she could get away with it? >> who knows? given the narrative that was already out there and being pushed -- by the way, i don't think many people know this -- this had been going on for many months. "the national enquirer" wrote a piece saying she would be dead in six months. there's been stuff out there that's been circulating. >> you shop in safeway, you read the stuff in those papers. >> unfortunately for her, this takes some of that stuff mainstream. these people feel empowered. >> how are they going to jump
this to a serious question of health beyond pneumonia? i had it five or six years ago. it is very -- let me put it clearly. i've had malaria and pneumonia, pneumonia felt worse. i got steroid to get through it. what are they called? steroid, yeah. and it was great. >> did you hit a lot of home runs the next season? >> no, no. it was only three or four days. it took something like that to shake you out of the very bad feeling you had. it's not cripple. it's just bad. >> i think it really depend on what the clinton campaign does from here, they'll release more medical records. that's very important right now. the problem is they weren't being forthcoming. >> does this make rudy look right? >> no. >> explain why it doesn't. he was hint iing all last week d before about how you have to go on the internet, you see how bad her sick neness is. there's nothing on the internet worth reading. he kept talking about the coughing spells. >> that's all they had. >> four years ago, three years ago, karl rove went out and said she had brain damage. remember benghazi flu. >> you're getting further out.
is cough a sign of pneumonia? >> i'm not a doctor. i may have stayed at a holiday inn express. >> i never said you were. just last week, as i said, former mayor rudy giuliani brought up concerns -- i'm not sure if that's the right word -- about recent coughing fits. let's watch. do you think there were any signs of illness last night by the former secretary of state? signs of illness? >> no, but i thought there were the day before when she coughed for about, i don't know, 15 minutes, and then coughed on the airplane and she spit something up. i don't know what's wrong with her. they kind of hide her. >> mayor, mayor, mayor. have you got any evidence besides -- >> i don't. >> do you have any evidence she's ill? >> i don't. all i see are these incidents of her coughing all the time. i don't know what it is. and i've seen her in several other situations she didn't look healthy. >> i say this in the crassest possible way, score one for rudy. they did say the coughing suggested something more serious
than just, you know, you had a cold. >> they didn't have anything until now and, as you noticed today they're not talk iing abo it because they think there actually might be -- might be -- a kernel of truth to it. it's important for the clinton campaign to come out with something and back up what brian fallon said there is no underlying condition. >> why did they run on this thing months ago? why have they been ranting on the topic of health care -- not health care -- >> of her health? >> yes! why did they get on to this thing? >> look at who some of her advisers are. this is a tried and true tactic. didn't they try to do the same thing in 1988 with dukakis? >> they said he was seeing a shrink. >> it's the power of the suggestion. they even had reagan say, you know, an invalid, right? it helped create the impression and that was -- >> it didn't create pneumonia, though. that's gratuitous or serendipity
on their part. sunday donald trump was carrickriescally -- uncharacteristically silent about secretary clinton's abrupt departure from the 9/11 ceremonies. this morning he called in to fox news and cnbc and addressed the incident. here is what he said. >> i hope she gets well soon. i don't know what's going on. i'm, like you, i see what i see. the coughing fit was a week ago, so i assumed that was pneumonia, also. i would think it would have been. something's going on. but i just hope she gets well and gets back on the trail. and we'll be seeing at the debate. it's interesting because they say pneumonia friday, but she was coughing very badly a week ago and even before that, if you remember. this wasn't the first time. so it's very interesting to see what is going on. i want her to get better. i want her to get out there. i look forward to seeing her in the debate. >> where are we going on this? >> look, if you're donald trump, this is the best moment that
he's had in the campaign in terms of discipline, right? he has been tweeting about her health. he's been talking about it on the campaign trail saying she has no stamina and right now hillary clinton had the worst weekend of her campaign so far and, by the way, there's some competition for that. she has the worst weekend of her campaign and he's getting out of the way of a story that she does it not have control of. >> as long as there is not an underlying health condition with hillary clinton, we've already seen a lot of her records. this is double-edged. he will have to release his full medical report right now. right now all we have is a statement from a doctor saying he would be the healthiest. >> a doctor who had a five-minute writing of that. >> right. >> we're going to finish up this topic because we have a much bigger one coming up and that's this question of deplorables, the basket of deplorables and hillary clinton has done one of these snafus where you discredit a whole bunch of americans like 47% or people relying on, as the
president said, on their guns and religion. every once in a while a politician makes a real mistake. i want to thank you. as i said, coming up, trump isn't talking about clinton's health. he's hitting her for her comments that half his supporters are deplorables. it doesn't compare to some of his own sugar plums. plus, new questions about the trump foundation. trump himself hasn't contributed anything to it in years. instead, the charity regifted other people's money. isn't that nice, so that trump himself would get the credit for the giving. the "hardball" roundtable here on the need for transparency from both campaigns. finally my election diary for september 12 with just two weeks to go before the first presidential debate. do you believe it's september 26 coming on strong this is "hardball," the place for politics. ♪
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of trump's supporters into what i call the basket of deplorables. [ lachter ] right? the racists, sexists, homophobic, xenophobic, islamophobic, you name it. >> you name it. she just did. welcome back to "hardball." donald trump is slamming hillary clinton for that remark, which she made on friday describing half of trump's supporters as, what she called, deplorables, a basket of them. anyway, here is what trump said in baltimore today about that. >> she divides people into baskets as though they were objects not human beings. after months of hiding from the press hillary clinton has revealed her true thoughts. that was her true thoughts. she revealed herself to be a person who looks down on the proud citizens of our country as
subjects. the disdain hillary clinton he can pressed to millions decent americans disqualifies her from public service. you cannot run for president if you have such contempt in your heart for the american voter. and she does. secretary clinton express the her personal regress but did not actually apologize. i was grossly generalistic, and that's never a good idea. i regret saying half. in other words not some other percentage. i love the way she took back half. the trump campaign is out to capitalize on what hillary wbr id "wbr12455" clinton said. here it goes. speaking to wealthy donors, hillary clinton called tens of millions of americans, deplorable. you could put half into a basket of defloshls. /b
the racist, sexist, islamophobic, you name it. people like you, you, and you deplorable. you know what's deplorable? hillary clinton viciously demonizing hard working people like you. i'm joined by hallie jackson. wbr-id "wbr12755" trump invited some of his supporters up on to the stage s they could rebut clinton's remarks. there they are. so that's show business. what do you make of it? is he exploiting this? reporter: first of all, it is over. it wrapped up. the room is being cleared out. trump pulled up about ten people, all of them, to talk about how hillary clinton shouldn't be calling them deplorable. one couple says we are the face. we are not the deplorable supporters. trump letting other people do the talking for him. he took the stage and continued
to go after clinton the way he continued to do in baltimore. this was echoed by rudy giuliani. he had been one of the folks pushing some of these discussions, these conspiracy theories about her health but who didn't touch on that here tonight. instead, he also went after clinton for the deplorables line. here is the trump campaign strategy. they believe they're making this political calculation that this will be as damaging to her as mitt romney's 47% comment. last cycle was to romney. and they're saying -- >> how could we forget it? >> reporter: they're not going after the half, you noted she went back to half, but they're going after the other basket. you heard giuliani say she described the other basket as the poor people, the desperate people, something rnc director spicer has been echoing, to say hillary clinton thinks all trump supporters are essentially worthy of having her attention. that is obviously not exactly
what lyclinton said. there is a calculation being made this is going to be ultimately beneficial to donald trump. does it come with political risks, chris? of course it does. a conversation about racism and sexism could potentially be damaging to donald trump. you look at the new "washington post" poll, the distinction is drawn while clinton didn't go after trump himself for being deplorable but his supporters, any conversation could end up hurting trump in the lopping run unless he's making the right bet here that people will see clinton as more out of touch and as somebody who doesn't care for them before november. >> i just think a lot of people don't like being called racist no matter what their thinking is or heart is. they're going to get angry about this from the other side. thank you. you did a great job on that aircraft carrier. that was great last week. >> reporter: thank you. >> it was really great. you got all those people
involved in the conversation. i thought it was great. while clinton said she regrets characterizing half of trump's supporters as deplorables, a ppp poll from may, not long ago, showed among trump supporters, 65%, almost two-thirds, said they think president obama is a muslim. 65% of trump supporters. 59%, three out of five, said they think he was not born in the u.s. they're birthers. three out of five people are birthers. a new "washington post"/abc news poll finds that a majority of american voters, 60%, say they believe donald trump is biased against women and minorities so there's a lot of numbers out there that do not look good for trump. i'm joined by steve cortez as well as jonathan capehart for "the washington post" and host of a new podcast cape up. it plays off your name, i guess. let me go to steve. what's your thinking about the fact of these polls that show, forget words like deplorable,
baskets of deplorables or the other stupid phrases, isn't it true that we have polls out there showing a substantial majority of trump supporters, self-identified supporters, have these attitudes about president obama, the fact that he's from some other country. they have this believe he's a muslim. these are not nice things to be saying about someone who is clearly an american and has been going to christian churches his whole life. >> right. >> your answer? >> it's not just that they're not nice, they're not true. that's what's more important. i will tell you this, you have never heard the campaign talk about any of this lately. >> lately. you snuck that note in there. trump is known as mr. birter. >> the campaign hasn't talked about it. the president is clearly a christian american. i have many, many reasons -- i have many issues with the president but they are not his birth or religion. >> why won't trump say so? >> i think he will. by the way, i am and many of his surrogates have. >> what makes you think that, steve? what makes you think he will say
something he has refused to say for years? >> well, i think he will. but, look, too, we can't major in the minors. donald trump hasn't mentioned his birth in an extreme ly long time and no one credible in his campaign has at all, this whole campaign. >> he gets in the car if he wins and rides up to the capitol, he believes he's going to be sitting next to a person who is not a legitimate president, that is not an insignificant belief on his part, if he believes it. but you say he doesn't. but you say he doesn't believe it. >> no. listen. a very long time ago he asked for proof. proof was given. the president is american. case closed. >> and then? >> we don't worry about it anymore? >> and then? and then? >> stop talking about it. he stopped talking about it. what we want to talk about -- this is a red herring. >> no. it's a creation of your candidate. you can dispense with -- we're on live television. in two minutes he could come up
and say i don't believe that anymore. i believe the president was american born, native born, he has a right to be president of the united states. i don't believe he's a muslim. end it there. that's all he has to do. he's not calling. jonathan? let's go back to the issue at hand, this deplorables basket. he basically condemned the whole -- let me get it right. i'm not going to say a whole basket. a whole percentage around trump voters, about 50%, are in this category, islamophobes -- >> i'm sorry, i cannot -- >> is that good politics? >> politically you want to call it a gaffe. if she made a mistake -- >> i think it's wrong. you don't describe -- >> her mistake was putting a number to it saying half. >> she called them it deplorable. these people are deplorable. >> you just showed, chris -- >> deplorable as human beings. i'm just saying. she's running to lead the whole country. >> calling tens of millions of
americans deplorable is incredibly disrespectful. >> you know what's disrespectful, steve -- >> and out of touch. >> having a candidate for president of the united states denigrate an entire group of people, suggesting an immoral and unconstitutional plan to deport 11 million people including american-born immigrants because they're undocumented. don't get into a conversation with me about what's deplorable when you have a republican nominee for president and that's just one of the things in the so-called basket of deplorables. >> they don't have constitutional rights. legal immigrants, who we love and americans have constitutional rights. >> your candidate suggested that american-born immigrants whose parents might happen to be undocument ed immigrants would also be a part of his deportation plan. until you can come to me and to this conversation with an immigration plan, you have nothing to say. >> i want to get back to a
narrower question. mike pence was asked on cnn whether david duke would qualify as one of those deplorables. let's watch that exchange. >> there are some supporters of donald trump and mike pence who, david duke, for example, and some other white nationalists, who would fit into that category of deplorables. right? >> as i've told you the last time i was on, i'm not really sure why the media keeps dropping david duke's name. donald trump has denounced david duke repeatedly. we don't want his support or the support of people who think like him. >> you bo call him a deplorable? >> i'm not in the name calling business, wolf. >> later on fox news pence said of that interview, they wanted me to start using terms that hillary uses. so, steve, is that the issue, using hillary-like words rather than your own words, or is it he doesn't want to condemn somebody like david duke? >> i don't know how many times the campaign, donald trump and
all of us need to say we denounce david duke for the mainstream media to believe it. do we have it to beat him senseless on live air? is that the only way people are going to believe we denounce -- david duke endorsed donald trump. we don't support that at all. quite the opposite, and i'm very proud of trump for this. we're making a very deliberate and intentional outreach to african-americans and hispanic americans to try to tell them that we have answers for the problems that are plaguing their communities and we humbly and respectfully want to earn their votes. this has been the opposite of a racist campaign. >> in an apparent show of solidarity with fellow supporters, allies including donald trump jr. post this had im image. as nbc news points out the picture included the image of a cartoon frog, the green guy there, that has become a popular symbol of white nationalists. i didn't know this. i'm learning it. as heidi told nbc news, the white nationalists are going to
love this because they're going to feel like, yeah, we're in there with trump. laes pepe the frog. i just learned it today. pepe the frog is an icon you put in your pictures that show solidarity with the alt-right. >> with white supremacy. we have gone from dog whistles to full-on barking. no one is trying to hide anything anymore. this campaign has built its support and gotten the nomination because people gravitated towards donald trump because he, quote, tells it like it is. he is against political correctness and he, quote, says things that i can't say. >> like president obama should not be president. >> should not be president because -- >> constitutional violations by him because he snuck in the country. >> is an illegal occupier of the oval office. >> it is a nonessential question.
what are you getting at? are you saying he is a racist? he re-tweeted something that he probably knew nothing about? >> we were talking about his father. >> so his father is a racist. are we going to play the same old card that the democrats have played? every time you get tired of talking ideas, you start name calling, you call us deplorable. you call us racist. >> i say i haven't talked about it lately, why are you still mad at me, you'll understand. when you make a shot like a guy snuck into the yunited states, who doesn't belong on the pictures of all the presidents in history, that somehow deserves not even an asterisk, that's something you can't just walk away from. you have to walk back. and your guy won't do it. you can all you want and use guys but the fact is your guy won't tell the truth about barack obama, the current president, yet he wants to be
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post" reporter, nearly all the money comes from people other than trump and tax records. the last gift from trump was in 2008. since then all the donations have been other people's money, an arrangement people say is almost unheard of for a family foundation. one expert on charity, a trm toer head of the cooperation for national community service told "the post" our common understanding of charity is you give something of yourself to somebody else to help them. it's not something that you raise money from one side to spend it on the other. joining me is dana milbank of "the washington post." it's not a ponzi scheme. it's totally different. money comes in one door and out the other and you get credit for it. >> it's like trump's overall business plan, which is take something of val you you, add your magical brand to it, and you've not added anything to it at all. >> you franchise the money. >> basically. although it sounds like he was in some cases doing this without people actually realizing it, all he's doing is taking in
their money -- >> did he give money to the veterans charity, when he wouldn't show up for the debate and ended up having an evening he said i'm going to give a million bucks to this thing? >> he did but only because my colleague was banging away at this thing, where is the money? and finally he was forced to give away the money. what david did here is went through all the charitable records going back some 17 years, and there were cases like that. he found five cases of these phantom contributions where they say they gave the money, but the people who were supposed to receive it didn't receive it. >> the attorney general decided not to prosecute the trump university case. >> and the foundation has already paid a fine for that one. the most damning are where they used charitable money to buy for donald trump. the tim tebow helmet. >> what are they doing with that? giving it away? >> if he hasn't given it away, that's illegal.
if you see him with an orange gator helmet there's a problem. >> this foundation has costs. >> it does indeed have costs. it's a tiny foundation. he hasn't put any money into it since 2008. something like $1.3 million total. >> how much money did the ly clintons give to their foundation? i'm just asking. >> their foundation gives away $250 million a year, and this is the orders of magnitude. this is penny ante stuff particularly in the days of clinton and the deplorables. >> there's a lot of enterprise reporting going on like this. people say, okay, time to do some research, have you got a sense as journalist that any news about trump or hillary changes anybody's mind at this point? does anything work to change -- shake loose people? are minds made up. >> all along there have been all kinds of things for anybody else would have been deadly and disqualifying. no, i don't expect this will either. that's not a reason not to do it.
this is first rate journalism. >> do it now rather than when somebody is elected. then they'll really be mad at us. >> maybe we'll see the tax returns. we don't have the returns which is why you have to pore through the record books. >> "the washington post" reported trump has given away tens of millions of dollars over his life. but according to "the post" hicks offered no details about that number. well, here we are. that's how the lay of the land right now. thank you, dana milbank. the need for more transparency, don't you think, from both ly clinton and trump campaign. how about some tax returns, medical information on time. plus, three things you might not the know about the presidential race coming up from our experts. you're watching "hardball" the place for politics. remember here at ally, nothing stops us from doing right by our customers. who's with me? i'm in. i'm in. i'm in. i'm in. ♪ ♪
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vulnerable the campaign is not transparent. but some, many of the same transparency questions aemploy to donald trump and his campaign as well. to date we have yet to see his tax returns and his own medical records. though trump says he plans to release the results of a physical exam he had last week. a recent nbc news/"wall street journal" poll shows both candidates with high unfavorables, when it comes to being honest and straightforward, hillary clinton gets a combined 22%, very good, good rating and very poor/poor rating 56% for trump. it's 35% very good/good and 46% poor/very poor. you get the gist. it's not good for either. joining me on tonight's roundtable, ann geary, for "the washington post", ken vogel, chief investigative reporter for politico, which is always challenging "the post," and a reporter for "the new york times." sorry for my foolish complaint about your name, we know you so
well. why the press is nonpartisan that covers a candidate like hillary clinton. concerned that she went off the grid, went off the scope. we didn't know where she was. >> some things happened that are disturbi disturbing. the reporters who were there with her some distance it away from her but assigned to cover her as part of the protective pool, as we like to call it, noticed that she was gone and no one had told them that, and it was several minutes after they noticed she was gone that the campaign confirmed that, in fact, she was gone. >> she made it on her own two feet all the way over to the van where she apparently collapsed. >> she was away from where she had been standing. it's not clear that she was in the van at that point, but then it was an hour and a half after that before the campaign explained where she was and what had happened. >> the traveling pool has a ready car to chase the candidate or do you normally get a heads up they're going to the next location and you follow them? is that what happens?
>> a little of both. there's a dedicated van that carries the reporters that goes along behind her. >> why didn't they go behind her this time? >> that is the question. >> who stopped them? >> they were never told she left. >> didn't they see her getting in the van? >> no. they're back where they were supposed to be and she left. >> a civilian took the picture with the iphone. >> exactly. >> the press didn't know where she was. >> suppose there was no civilian there that took the picture, would we know any of this, that she had pneumonia, that she collapsed, would we know anything? >> we would know for sure that she left the location where she was supposed to be because there was a camera -- >> and showed up an hour and a half later and said it's a beautiful day in new york, mr. rogers. >> we wouldn't necessarily know. >> we salute social media for doing their work? >> that's one of the takeaways. under the rules we traditionally cover presidential candidates, they should make accommodations.
that's your question about do they provide -- >> an hour or two and head back to his hotel or trump tower? >> and trump also does not have the protective pool arrangement. theoretically he could and that's why we and the press are sort of putting forth this could be serted effort. >> the presidential candidates after they win the nomination are expected to be available 24/7. they're on -- they're somewhere like a gps we can spot where they are and know what they're doing? >> if you have a pool and you're being covered by the media we're supposed to know where you are, updating us regularly. if you go missing in the middle of a 9/11 ceremony, you're supposed to tell us this is where she's going. as a reporter you can't say whether or not we would have found all this information out. the fact that a civilian is the reason we see her getting into the van is problematic for the clinton campaign and in some ways the protective pool and the pool is based on trust. >> what came first, the chicken or the egg?
did they know about the iphone when they came clean about where she was and what was going on? that she fainted? >> right. in the intervening hour and a half when she went to chelsea's apartment and recuperated, the video came out. so by the time she left that apartment building they knew. >> in fact, we report that had when she gets in the car to go to chelsea's, this is from clinton campaign sources, she's drinking water, cooling down in the back seat, it's air-conditioned, but she very quickly starts strategizing about how to handle this and what the blowback is. you can imagine they're discussing. >> an expert on all things ta talking about his wife's health in an interview with charlie rose i guess for tonight's broadcast on cbs. >> she's doing fine. she was even better last night before she went to sleep, a good night's sleep. she just got dehydrated yesterday. >> is that what happened, she got dehydrated? >> yes. >> when you look at the collapse, the video that was taken, you wonder if it's not more serious.
>> oh, no. >> than dehydration. >> she's been -- well, if it is, it's a mystery to me and all of her doctors. today she made a decision, which i think was correct, to cancel her campaign day. >> right. >> to take one more day to rest. >> is it possible she will be away weeks from the campaign trail? >> no, not a shot. i'll be lucky to held her back another day. >> the roundtable is staying with us. up next these three will tell me something i don't know. this is "hardball." safety doesn't come in a box.
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than a year ago. >> they need recent history. >> donald trump now talking about releasing more detailed medical records of his own, clearly trying to use this to his advantage but he and the people around him are very sensitive to questions about his health to the point where we wrote in a story, we called him a 70-year-old junk food -- they said he could do more push-ups. >> i was talking to some organizers for the trump campaign and they are frustrated they are not getting the resources. people are saying we don't have enough offices, volunteers, money. that really tells you just how the trump campaign is still kind of struggling to get set up. >> i think he wants to win on television, just him, you know. anyway, thank you. when we return, my election diary for where this race stands right now just two weeks before the presidential debate. you're watching "hardball," the
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election diary monday, september 12th, 2016. well, there's nothing you don't know about the term this weekend worked on the campaign for president. the question is what it will do to voters' loyalties. the decision to keep the country in the dark regarding hillary clinton's medical condition and given a choice she will chose to keep matters from the public, basic human facts, like having
the pneumonia. right ahead of her condemnation last week of the basket of deplorables, the phrase she chose to describe half of donald trump's supporters. a friend of mine who worked for jimmy carter told me a rule of a former president, you get nowhere politically calling people racist. it doesn't shame them. it simply aggravates them. yes, it does remind us of when president obama, then a candidate, told that well-off san francisco crowd about those folks who cling to their guns and religion because they like the progressive awakening. yes, it does remind us of when mitt romney four years later, 47% as leaches on the body politic. as an old tv commercial advises, it's not nice to fool mother nature, it's also not nice to fool a substantial block of the electorate when you run for president of the entire country. a good beginning of the week for donald trump because he showed