That is my remarkable talk, i believe with ohio john kasich just a few hours ago. Kasich has been endorsed by the state, the biggest newspaper here in South Carolina. He surged from threepoints to 1 points, quad drupling his numbers, just out tonight. Well have the rest of my interview with governor kasich coming up shortly. Brand new poll on the National Republican race. Its got cruz in front now, rising 8 points from the last poll we took with trump dropping seven. Rubio went up four points, but as i said, the other big winner is john kasich. Also went up in his case by eight points. All this is a clear result, i believe of the chaotic performance last saturday night in the republican debate. Trump, i believe, went into dangerous territory saturday night, when he said the iraq war was based on a lie. And even worst, that 9 11 happened on george w. Bushs watch. These thoughts and statements struck at the very heart of the republican religion, if you will, the that they believe this, kept us safe. Meanwhile, down here in South Carolina, donald trump is still the name of the game. In the three latest polls, look at the numbers, the latest cnn poll shows trump at 38 . Cruz second down at it 22, and rubio is third at 14. A monmouth poll released today showed trump with a 16 point lead. And a brand new bloomberg poll released just a couple of hours ago shows trump dominating the field at 36 . 19 points ahead of cruz. My question is, whats going to matter more after saturday night. This coming saturday night, who wins in South Carolina, or how badly a candidate behaved a week ago. Hallie jackson is in South Carolina, and heidi is a Senior Reporter for usa today. Hali, i saw your interview with cruz. Yeah. He is riding high right now. The problem he faces, these things happen point by point. We go from iowa, to new hampshire, South Carolina saturday night. And then the National Polls tend to reflect that. How does cruz come out of his saturday night, if the numbers hold the way theyre going . So its interesting, chris, because this is one of the things that i talked about with senator cruz on his campaign bus late today. This idea that perhaps donald trump did not have a strong debate, that ted cruz felt good where he was coming into the week and coming into the South Carolina. Youre right, they have to eek out improvements, particularly in South Carolina, where in this state, trump does lead cruz, but cruz tells me he feels very encouraged about the new National Poll. He talked about it at his rally. Everyone must be screeching in washington, d. C. , because he is the new national frontrunner. Lawyers for donald trump is threatened to sue cruz for an add cruz is running in South Carolina. Showing 1999, 17yearold interview who called himself prochoice back then. Trump has changed his views, very quickly and said he was against partial birth abortion. He said he welcomes a lawsuit. One of the things i look forward to most of all is deposing donald trump. For that particular endeavor, i may not use outside counsel. I may particular the deposition myself. Whether in a deposition or court of law, getting donald trump under oath, under penalty of perjury, answering these questions, well, ill point out it didnt work out well for bill clinton. Trump, donald trump later responded in a statement, cruz is a liar and these ads and statements made are desperate moves by a guy who is tanking in the poelgs. If i want to bring a lawsuit, it would be legitimate. If i want to bring it regarding senator cruz being a natural born canadian, ill do it as well. Teddy, thats interesting. He was asked today about the taunt today. Its going to air tonight at 8 00. Ive had Great Success in business. Ive had Great Success with lawsuits. Ive had Great Success in things i do. I dont know that well have a lawsuit but we want to keep somebody honest. When he makes statements im prolife and he said he is not prolife. You cant say that. Let me go to heidi on this. It seeps like cruz who is doing well on the National Poll is getting pressed by the guy above him and the one behind him in the South Carolina race, rubio. Rubio is going after him for saying dishonest things about gouty, when in fact, he is not. Right. This was all a spectacle we did not see after iowa, when trump threatened to sue him there as well. And why . Because just like you said, he is feeling the pressure on both ends. The fact of the matter, Hillary Clinton isnt the only one with a fire wall on the south what you saw today was cruz essentially co opting what has been a very successful tactic for donald trump, all along, which is kind of turning the campaign trail into a bit of a reality show spectacle. Everybody knows this is all just a bunch of baloney nobody will be filing lawsuits. But he did steal the spotlight and doing some of these last minute things to try and knock either trump or rubio out of the, you know, running there. Let me go back to hali for the last part. I have kasich coming up. Its quite candid. These guys, when you get to them, can you see donald trump taking the oath of office, actually becoming president of the United States, they sort of go back and go oh no, i cant see that happening. In the debate stage where trump dominates, he doesnt dominate the thinking of these other candidates that he will be the president. Yeah thats a very real possibility, chris. When you look at where donald trump has polled in this race so far, not just nationally but on a state level, you talk about going off of heidis remarks, cruz getting hit from above and below, it was fascinating to watch his News Conference today. He burned it down. He hit trump and pivoted to hit rubio. Until now, cruz has talked about a two man race. With me, today, he said or a three man race. He is including rubio in that. We head into the primary on saturday and then nevada after that dpl okay, okay, well see. Thank you so much. My candidate, oneonone, with governor john kasich. Coming up at the top of the hour, of course, our msnbc with donald trump, hosted by mika and joe. Mount pleasant, South Carolina. Your path to retirement may not always be clear. But at t. Rowe price, we can help guide your retirement savings. So wherever your Retirement Journey takes you, we can help you reach your goals. Call us or your advisor t. Rowe price. Invest with confidence. Well be with you shortly. Yeah right. Xerox Predictive Analytics help companies provide a better and faster customer experience. Hello mr. Kent. Can i rebook your flight . Im here Customer Care can work better. With xerox. Wait im here mr. Kent . gasp shark diving xerox personalized employee portals help Companies Make benefits simple and accessible. From anywhere. Hula dancing . Cliff jumping Human Resources can work better. With xerox. People love me for saving them over half a grand when they switch to progressive. So im dabbling in new ventures. It was boardgame night with the dalai lama. Great guy. Terrible player. Go paperless dont stress, girl i got the discounts that you need its a balancing act, but i got to give the people what they want more box. Any words for the critics . What can i say . Critties gonna neg. [ applause ] the what . [ laughs ] welcome back to hardball, live in South Carolina, ahead of saturdays republican primary down here. A few hours ago, i had a pretty candid talk with governor john kasich, who landed a strong second in new hampshire, and surging nationally right now. He said he just cant see donald trump actually being president. I picked up the usa today, who scares americas the most. Trump, 38 . Hillary, 33 . Theyre afraid. Theyre not just dissatisfied with the candidates. They say at least in the pollsters, were afraid of them. What do we got this inn this country . Afraid of the candidates . Chris, honestly, ive done more town halls than any other candidates. Im leveling with you. Why are people afraid of these guys. I dont find there is all this anger and all that. I dont find it out there. How about fear . I think there are people nervous about trump and people that, you know, bernie say he is a social list, and people dont like that, and with hillary, her problem is people dont trust her. Actually the democratic party, about 40 are telling people they do like the socialist thing. If democrats are going social list, are you kidding . Theyre going to want to annex cuba . What . I mean, theyre socialists, right . Okay, i think look, here is what ill bet. The kid will become democratic, but go ahead. Heres the thing. Maybe. If we had a right policy there. Heres the thing. Ill bet this is a reflection of par partisan ship. Probably democrats saying bernie sanders, you say he has the socialist tag, which he put on himself. He is the least feared candidate. Yeah, but he is 28 . Feared. I think thats probably republican versus democrats, you know. A great antagonism towards hillary. You know, theyre angry at her b ben. What does that mean . They think we didnt get there soon enough. What do you think . I dont know enough about it. What do i think . I tell you where i think she really went wrong. She is the one that kicked kadafi out of you dont like the regime thing change, like were trying to do against assad . Thats different. I wouldnt want to topple him, but i wouldnt use ground troops. I would call mccain and boehner, i would say we have to support the rebels. I got your message, i have to i thought you were just against isis. I am. Not too worried about assad. No, i want him to go, because iran, assad and russia, he has to go. Assad has got to go. But im not for being in the middle of a civil wars. Ive never supported it. Lebanon, civil wars are a prescription for prolonged engagement and no good resolution. Its not smart to be in in a civil war. Trump, can you imagine him as president . Can you think of him on the stabbed of the west front of the capital being president of the United States. Its hard for me to believe. Are you with president obama on that, hell never be president . I just dont think look, chris you agreed he cant be president , so. Thats right. Thats right. I think what i believe is going to happen, is i think little by little, as the debate stage shrinks, its not just the debate stage, thats the dumbest way to pick a president. Tell me the history of the world, go, you have 30 seconds. It i just believe its going to work. And i keep chucking right along. Are you amazed having worked in politics back to the 80s when you hear people out in the stage of national television, yelling across the room, facetoface, liar, youre a liar . I was a little surprised at that. Thats become the normal way people talk. I dont think i was really frankly shocked, chris, because we grew up in a time where you would say i think the gentleman is distorting things. We didnt say, you know, youre a liar. Witness for the prosecution, remember when the lawyer yelled at the lady on the stand. I just dont think you should be calling names like that. Well, in the old days, words were taken down. You werent allowed. What we mean by that but if you were on the house floor and personally insulted somebody, the whole house condemned you. And that was appropriate. Those were called manners. I know. You know what i think part of it is . I think my boss did that to nut gingrich one time. Thats right. The Supreme Court thing. One you say it would be nice for the president , barack obama, still president of the United States, to wait off, dont put a nominee before the United States senate, and let the Voters Decide on what kind of a person we want. Isnt that an interesting thing . You also said, would you put forward a nominee if you were in the situation . You said of course you would send somebody. Well politics, would you do it but you dont want obama to do it . Let me answer the question, okay. First of all, we know where we are. You know where we are. The whole thing is melting down. As soon as scalia died, i told people around me, were going to have another political war, more damage, and we have to stop all the damage. I mean, i believe it. Now, obama, the president , has so polarized the congress, we know there is no likelihood this is going to happen, anybody is going to get confirmed. If you had a president who had pulled people together and a congress who had been brought in through the, you know, through the efforts of a president to bring people together, you would have a better chance. So i think now things are too polarized. Hes going to send somebody up, not confirmed and whoever wins is not only going to be president , but decide who the fundamental makeup of the court is. Mitch mcconnell declared war, he said im going to get rid of this guy. I dont like that kind of rhetoric. Were not a parment system. I dont think the president understood how to get out there, get out there, get out there. You can get mad at the other side. I mean, ive experienced partisan ship in ohio, but you cant knock the pieces off the chessboard. You have to be patient and find people that like you. Its a mess down there. You know, i used to say, i still do say, the cattlemen and sheepherders hated each other, because the cattle couldnt eat anything. They never poisoned all the wells. Its a mess. Yeah. You can undo it. You just have to be patient. I tell people at the town halls, youll laugh. One of the things if im elected president , i am going to get the phone numbers of the moms and dads of kids in congress, and on their birthday, im going to wish them a happy birthday, dont mess with the president. I like him. Weve got to rebuild those relationships like we had when both of us were there and we saw people, they would fight, but you know, we didnt hate one another. Lets talk about you. Didnt you sign a bill in ohio that would got rid of the six days you were allowed to vote, regist register that day and vote that day. We have the most expansive. But why . Because whenever people who run the Voting System says we need more order, thats fine. I have to listen to them. Were voting 28, 29 days early voting. Were one of the most. Why restrict it further . Is than the a partisan move to restrict the number of days you can vote . Reduce the number to 28. Do you know how many they have in new york . Why did you reduce them in. Because the people that are working in the voting booths, the people who are the or the Election Officials said we have to tighten things up. Were they republicans . Yeah, but you know, chris, i dont operate on that base. Look, i had to stop the republicans from, you know, moving forward on, you got to have a drivers license. I said dont do that. So i want people to vote, but i also think 28 is great and i dont know youre picking on ohio. Pick on new york. So why dont you believe Public Employees in ohio should not have collective bargaining rights. They do. They do. We tried to do because the public demanded them, but you were trying to get rid of them. What im trying to say with them is i needed the local governments to have the flexibility to do what they needed to do and we had an 8 billion hole. Frankly, its very interesting. We were actually in negotiations, aside from the bill that the legislature passed, we were in negotiation with the unions to try to figure out a more moderate approach and when the National Unions found out about it, they put a halt to it. Then they raised all the money and got 10 to 1, but it has all settled down in ohio now in regard to unions. I got the endorsement of the building trades, i got the endorsement of the operating engineers and nailed down the endorsement of the carpenters. I have good relations back there with organized labor, and ive told them, if everything keeps going the way it is going, just dont disrupt the economy in the state. Let me ask you about the role in the Supreme Court. A lot of the conservatives have said should not interpret, basically take the constitution, go by what they intended by it and stick to that. If you look at the Court Decisions that really matter to our lives, like the brown case in 54, they said no more separate but equal. No more separate but equal. Separate means unequal. Citizens unite add. These cases are important. How do we avoid having courts make Big Decisions . Theyre going to make them. I think Citizens United was making law. I think they said money is speech. Thats a law now in this country. You could spend all you want in a campaign, corporate or whatever, and nobody could stop you. Who had more you cant do that in congress. Do you think Citizens United is good for the country . No, no, i dont think so that letting a handful of billionaires determine who is going to be the president good f for the ri. That was a Supreme Court it doesnt matter i have to agree with it. I picked over 100 judges in ohio. I just want somebody with conservative values, who is not going to try to make law, and im not going to agree with everything the courts do. I dont agreeing with where were you in the brown case . What were they supposed to do segregated cases, mostly in the you know how i feel about that. The court made the right decision. Probably did, they did. Thats not in the constitution. I mean, you guys are strict constructionists. Public prayer. Decision on somebody has to make the decisions. You think they should still have state prayers . No, i think thats what they were. In massachusetts, they have the state written prayers almost to the 1,900. A lot of people still want the King James Bible sited in school. No, im for silent moment so we can think about our create tore. Here is the thing. Everything is not perfect, right. Thank god that they ruled out separate but equal. I mean, its just crazy stuff. That was a terrible situation and time in our country. Look, sometimes, sometimes you know, theyre going to make decisions, be more aggressive and sometimes im going to agree and sometimes ill disagree. Im not going to run the court. Im going to pick a judge and i want to pick a judge who is fundamentally conservative, high ethics and a decent record. Im not going to ask him what would be better than roe v wade. Im prolife. Everybody knows that. Its up to the states . What they said is they sort of legalized it and there have been growing restrictions on it and the public is getting more comfortable. Im prolife nextceptions of incest, rape and harm to the mother. Back in a minute. When cigarette cravings hit, all i can think about is getting relief. Only nicorette mini has a patented fastdissolving formula. It starts to relieve sudden cravings fast. I never know when ill need relief. Thats why i only choose nicorette mini. Frodoers dont stop. Wake up, every day is a chance to do something great. And for the ones they love, theyd do anything. Sears optical has glasses made for doing. Right now, buy one pair and get another free. Quality eyewear for doers. Sears optical. They say you shouldnt spoil your kids. But your grandkids . How about front row seats to the best show in town . And that is why you invest. The best returns arent just measured in dollars. Td ameritrade®. I am totally blind. I lost my sight in afghanistan. If youre totally blind, you may also be struggling with non24. Calling 8448442424. Or visit my24info. Com. Have my stomach feeling all knotted up. Ive tried laxatives. But my symptoms keep returning. My constipation feels like a pile of bricks. That keeps coming back. Linzess can help. Oncedaily linzess treats adults with ibs with constipation or chronic constipation. Linzess is thought to help calm painsensing nerves and accelerate bowel movements. Linzess helps you proactively manage your symptoms. Do not give linzess to children under 6 and it should not be given to children 6 to 17. It may harm them. Dont take linzess if you have a bowel blockage. Get immediate help if you develop unusual or severe stomach pain especially with bloody or black stools. The most common side effect is diarrhea, sometimes severe. If its severe, stop taking linzess and call your doctor right away. Other side effects include, gas, stomacharea pain and swelling. Bottom line, ask your doctor about linzess today. Believe at some point we have to escalate the war, because they cant be head our guys. I want to destroy them yesterday. What are we talking about here . Were talking about being president in 2017. Im elected, let me tell you what i would do very quickly. First of all, i would have a meeting with put inn and tell him, we are going to arm the ukrainia ukrainians. Its going to happen. If you come into finland, sweden, its an attack on us. We dont want any trumped up excuses. Then with china, who is a very provocative in the islands, we cant tolerate that. We dont need to turn the chinese into an enemy, but they have to understand the limits. The same with putin. The muslim arabs, i would leave, leave it to them. Im not a nation builder either. I dont believe in this spending american lives to try to convert them to become democrats. Are you kidding me . And i have a history on all of this, chris. Look, we talk about iraq. If there had not been weapons of mass destruction, there should have been no grounds on which we should have gone there, okay. We didnt know, or you know, we didnt know. Weve had the expert on from the c. I. A. Said he never told the president that there were Nuclear Weapons there. That was something chaney made up. No evidence. Look, im just telling you. A good soldier. Civil war between hes glad what he did. Between sunni, shitte and kurds, theyre going to draw the map in that region if we stop isis, theyre going to redraw the lines. Let me ask you about this trouble. The president said yesterday, just to be uptodate here, he said the World Leaders are troubled by hearing the republican candidates in the way theyre talking about muslims banning muslims. He is not talking about me. And immigrants. He is not talking about me. So youre okay on this . He says im not just talking about trump. Then who is he talking about . He doesnt want to get into a war of words with me. I mean, ive never had a war of words with him. But youre not talking about me. What have i said . Ive said that you know, we need everybody to work together. Ive never said anything like that. So i mean, if dont just make statements like that. Thats the kind of thing he doesnt understand the implications of just making statements like that. Thats not smart. Hard for your party to challenge trump. I havent. I got into a war with him in the third debate. So you work for a path for legalization. Path for legalization. Finish the border. What does finish the border means. Guard the border so people cant just come walking in. A wall. In some places you will. In some places, technology. Well, up next, john kasichs memory of his parents getting killed being a drunk driver. Wow. Back in a minute. Toenail fungus . Whaaat . . Fight it with jublia. Jublia is a prescription medicine. Used to treat toenail fungus. Use jublia as instructed by your doctor. Jublia is workin it most common side effects include. Ingrown toenail, application site redness,. Itching, swelling, burning. Or stinging, blisters, and pain. Oh fight it with jublia now thats a red carpet moment ask your doctor if jublia is right for you. Visit our website for savings on larger size. To folks out there whose diabetic nerve pain. Shoots and burns its way into your day, i hear you. To everyone with this pain that makes ordinary tasks extraordinarily painful, i hear you. Make sure your doctor hears you too i hear you because i was there when my dad suffered with diabetic nerve pain. If you have diabetes and burning, shooting pain in your feet or hands, dont suffer in silence step on up and ask your doctor about diabetic nerve pain. Tell em cedric sent you. Trust safelite. With safelites exclusive on my way text youll know exactly when well be there. Giving you more time for what matters most. team sing safelite repair, safelite replace. Im melissa ray burger. Here is what is happening. Opposes a judges order demanldsing it unlock an iphone belonging to the San Bernardino gunman. Pope is in juarez. Back to hardball. Welcome back to hardball. My oneonone with john kasich. Here it is. Lets talk about you, john kasich. Not kasich. Basic. People say roosevelt roosevelt. Why didnt he come on the radio one day and say its this way and get it over with. Let me ask you about your parents. How old were you . 35. The funny thing, ironic thing. Some drunk driver. Yeah, a drunk driver. They were at burger king. You know why they went there, second cup of coffee for free. Thats the way my parents were. My parents are like that too. Saving coupons. Theyre pulling out the never had a steak in their knife. My parents i went to lunch with my mother and i order escargot. And she looked at me and said what are you doing . And then one time, i was with my dad in the mall and i went in and bought a paperback in the bookstore. I come out. He said whats in the package. I said its a book. He said johnny, do you know what libraries are for. I know. Take the book back. When i was a boy, my dad used to drive at night to pick my mother up. She worked downtown. My father carried mail. My mother worked in the post office in pittsburgh. So he would drive there and pick her up late at night. That road scared the crap out of me, you know. It was, i thought it was dangerous and maybe they wouldnt come home one night. So isnt it ironic that they lost their lives in an accident. Chris, the only thing i can tell you is i entered a black hole with a tiny little pinprick of light, and you know, i think back on it, people have suffered a lot worst, you know, from the standpoint of children or whatever. This was, i was just completely devastated. And fortunately, people showed up, and i found my faith. I found a real relationship with the lord. And you know, ive worked on it for 29 years, still trying to get it right. And it gave me credibility with people. So now, when people have horrible things happen, i feel like i can go and either sit with them or talk with them. You know, i can only say to people who might watch this, who have tragedies, you just, you have to realize that at some point, the sun will come up and learn from it and grow from it. And i mean, it took me a long time. But now im whole. And im healed and i am a berman for it. Where do you think your parents are . Theyre in gods space. They either know whats going on down here or they dont. Because they dnts neont need t you were an altar boy. I was. Started out in the fourth grade. How many years. I was an altar boy until the ninth grade and then one my, guy pirot, he didnt show up and the priest asked me to go down and take over the role. So in the ninth grade, i went down and started leading the folks, first time i ever spoke on a microphone, and ill tell you a funny story. I dont know if i was maybe a junior or senior, but i never sang, because that was too sissified to sing when im doing the come men tating. So i nounsed the closing hymn and nobody is singing. The priest is coming off the altar and i shouted, stop the organ. Why do you come to church. Do you know god loves singing. The priest is looking up to me. Turn to page 49 and sing the closing hymn, please. So they played the organ, im a walk out, a little old lady walked up to me, young man, i do love to sing the closing him, could you give me the right page next time. You sounds like a baptist out here. I dont want to be preacher. But when i tell people, and i mean it, when were all created special for a purpose, i want them to know that were here to change the world, bring about healing. Im happy about it. When people think of religion, all of a sudden, the thought bubble is dont do this, dont do that. For me, i have to get the dos for first, which is, you know so you speak in common tate tore, you were a commentator in church as an altar boy, escalated to a higher level of greatness. Then you became a commentator for fox for about six or seven years. How was that being different than an altar boy. Heres the thing. I have to tell you a great story. I walked in one time and saw roger ailes who is a genius. He runs fox. I was there i guess nine years or whatever it was. I was hosting oreilly when i was a congressman once t was great. I said you know, im not a sicofin for george bsh. Nobody told you what to say. No. How far would that have gone. Let me ask you about nixon. I think nixon was a mixed bag. He deserved what he got, but having to lead bad people around him, he plads to the wrong instruments. You were. I was 18. You met him because. 1970. I went to see the president at the university. Ohio state university. Yeah, my first quarter. The ohio state im going to see the president and i started telling him some things i was worried or concerned about, and then i said what do you do in this job. He said tomorrow, im going to see president nixon. I would like to talk to him also. He said well you cant go. Where did you get this stuff to say to the president of the university, like ohio state . My mom and dad, blue collar. You know, growing up, look, the thing. Its kind of pushy. Yes. I have been criticized in my life for being brusque, a brace save. When you come from the keys rocks, your dad is delivering mail, you have to fight your way to the top. Things you believe in. I said to the president of the university, would you give nixon a letter, and i invited myself to the white house basically. Nixon wrote me back and invited me. I said mom, im going to need an airline ticket. Had you ever been on a plane before . No, and listen to. This so shes yelling, honey, pick up the phone, will is something wrong with our kid. They didnt know what was going on. It was really remarkable. How did nixon strike you as a person . Did he seem awkward. I cant really remember in 70. In 1987, i saw him again. He told me study Foreign Policy and he said is there anything you can do for you. I said you need to write a letter to my sister because my parents were killed in an accident. He wrote a twopage letter to her. It was beautiful. Different side of him. Yeah. First of all, keys rocks. Is that mckees rocks, you can see downtown pittsburgh. Its where the first Kennedy Nixon debate happened. Not much happened in mckees rocks. A lot of progressive thinks its a party of the rich, who contributes to the big campaign, the coke brothers, you know all this stuff, they dont like Citizens United. Every year we have a close election. 50 50, i always said my democratic friends, if all the people are rich, that means half the country is rich and they arent. A cloth coat republicans. Nixon used to get their votes. Are you a cloth coat republican . Yeah but i think. How do you explain talk to the progressives now. Why does half the country vote republicans if theyre not all rich . 50 of the country isnt rich . First of all, theyll vote for republicans who not only have a good head but a good heart. I think thats why reagan did so well. People thought he had a good heart and what he wanted to do with policy. Im sort of the same way from where i came from. Theyre simple, common sense, and look, my job is to stick up for people who have nobody to stick up for them. I mean, you come from mckees rock, where the wind blows the wrong way, those are the people in my head. We did well in new hampshire. You couldnt believe the crowds, the volunteers, ive tried to figure it out. You came in second. Yeah. 16 . I mean, i beat everybody else, they spent millions of dollars against me. For some reason, ive been in a position of where people think that if theyre connected to these efforts, that im involved with, that they can live life bigger than themselves. I dont consider myself to be any great guy. Im just doing my thing. And its honest. Its real. Its idealistic. Its hopeful. Coming up, john kasich on how to really fix washington. Coming up at the top of the hour, of course, our msnbc town hall with donald trump. Frontrunner in South Carolina any way, hosted by Joe Scarborough and mika. This is hardball, the place for politics. No matter how you hang out, share every minute of it. Buy one get one free on our most popular smartphones. And right now, get up to 650 in credits per line to help you switch to at t. All across the state the economy is growing,arts today. With creative new business incentives, the lowest taxes in decades, and university partnerships, attracting the talent and companies of tomorrow. Like in utica, where a new kind of workforce is being trained. And in albany, the nanotechnology capital of the world. Let us help grow your companys tomorrow, today at business. Ny. Gov can a a subconscious. Mind . A knack for predicting the future. Reflexes faster than the speed of thought. Can a business have a spirit . Can a business have a soul . Can a business be. Alive . Two words it heals. E different . How . With heat. Unlike creams and rubs that mask the pain, thermacare has patented heat cells that penetrate deep to increase circulation and accelerate healing. Lets review heat, plus relief, plus healing, equals thermacare. The proof that it heals is you. So wi got a job ews . Ill be programming at ge. Oh i got a job too, at zazzies. friends gasp the app where you put fruit hats on animals . I love that guys, ill be writing code that helps machines communicate. interrupting i just zazzied you. phone vibrates look at it friends giggle i can do dogs, hamsters, guinea pigs. You name it. Im going to transform the way the world works. proudly i programmed that hat. And i can do casaba melons. Ill be helping turbines power cities. I put a turbine on a cat. friends ooh and ahh i can make hospitals run more efficiently. This isnt a competition ii like to think of myself as more of a control. Enthusiast. Mmm, a perfect 177degrees. And thats why this road warrior rents from national. I can bypass the counter and go straight to my car. And i dont have to talk to any humans, unless i want to. And i dont. And national lets me choose any car in the aisle. Control. Its so, whats the word . Sexy. Go national. Go like a pro. Were back from South Carolina. Heres john kasich on how he would fix washington. Nobody knows this, but every afternoon the healthier members of the democratic and republican members of the house play basketball. Yeah. Its a pickup game. I think its a threequarter length court or Something Like that. Ive never been in there in the gym. Youve been in there. I dont want to go in because its for members only. So you were in there playing basketball and you played with ron delve, hes an africanamerican, they tall, and you two guys were able to put together a deal to get rid of some of this gold plating in the military. Yeah. Do you want to know how it happened . I want to know. So heres how it happens. Youre much further right than him, thats for sure. The president were friends to this day. The president invades grenada. They break into a safe and find all these congressional papers and were on this airplane. People were saying he got them all these papers, hes a traitor to america. I walked up the aisle and said mr. Dellums, did you give these secret papers to Maurice Bishop in grenada. He looked at me and he laughed. He said two ladies that were on my staff went to grenada. They basically fell in love with this guy, Maurice Bishop, and they took those papers down there and of course i had nothing to do with it. I shook his hand and i said good. Im going to tell everybody else what you told me. For some reason that bonded us and we moved forward. He and i couldnt look, we disagree on 99 out of 100 issues, okay, but were buddies. I mean i flew out to his wedding and im not in california, i think i was the only republican in San Francisco that night. Theres Barbara Boxer and theres willie brown and, you know, ive always felt, chris, that you can get along with people in the other party. You dont have to hate them. Lets talk about getting things done. Before we started here today, you and i talked about what are the chances of really getting something done. Yeah. Now, i think numbers are great. One guy says 9, the other says 7, you get an 8, you compromise. Numbers are great. You do it when you buy a house, buy a car, you haggle and you get the car bought. Its done and you move on. In politics, you cant seem to do those basic deals, you know. I did. And i still do. How did you save money in the military with the b2 or wherever else. I put a coalition together dick cheney didnt like that. No, no, no, no, he didnt. The plane was going to cost over a billion dollars apiece and its job was to fly in the middle of the soviet union and not drop weapons in the middle of a nuclear war. Im like what . Yeah, it was in the 80s and the 90s. So who did i have in my coalition . I had tom ridge, i had john sonunu. Thats why tom ridge didnt get to be a Vice President with w. That was it. And then there were the liberals that came in. Look what i did with tim penny. From minnesota. Yeah. A penny cut in every dollar in washington. I had my republicans, he had his democrats, we came together. If we had a majority that favored a penny cut, we enacted it and we went to the house floor. We were going to save like 100 billion and republicans and democrats both fought us and stopped us, four votes short but it led to the balanced budget. I sat down with the clinton administration. I didnt get everything that i wanted but i got a lot. What was it like dealing with president clinton on the budget issues . You did balance the budget. Newt gingrich deserves a lot of that credit, but it got done. Was that just a good economy that produced a lot of revenue . No, no, its the formula. You reduce taxes, you balance the budget, we cut Capital Gains taxes. The same thing ive done in ohio and thats what i want to take back. I lost my train of thought because we talk so fast here. Just about how reagan bill clinton was a deal maker. Yeah, he was. And he had people around him that timed to get to a balanced budget but it took a Government Shutdown of which i was involved with because they were trying to phony up the numbers. I said the time has come to stop misleading the public. Who had the phony numbers . Clinton. I mean thats why we threw a fit and ended up shutting the government down. Then they came and saw me and said we want to open it up again. We want to get into negotiations. Will you do it . I said these are the ground rules, they said yes and we negotiated. So you know how to get things done. One thing, National Security issue. The National Security issue is when america cant solve problems because then other countries wonder whats happening over there. Okay. One problem. I just got a statistic the other day that blew me away. Twothirds of the republicans in the congress right now have only served under president obama. Theyre all brand new. Theyre tea party guys a lot of them, women. They dont know what a Republican Party is except as an opposition party. Thats what they think it is because thats all the experience how do you turn a Republican Party of opposition into something. Its always been an opposition party. Theyre most comfortable being against than for, thats what makes them conservatives. But with the shock and awe strategy within the first 100 days a whole series of things. The border, social security, balancing budget, cutting taxes, fixing regulations, all of a sudden you will get them inspired to do things and paul ryan, who was an aide when i was Budget Committee chairman, thats where he cut his teeth on ideas with kemp, you know. We can get them going. And we have to. Thank you. Governor, thank you for all the time. Ive known that guy for a third of a century and i think who comes across as who he is which is not always true with politicians. As i said, he just surged in our latest National Poll. Well be right back after this. Know your Financial Plan wont keep you up at night. Know you have insights from professional investment strategists to help set your mind at ease. Know that planning for retirement can be the least of your worries. With the guidance of a pnc investments financial advisor, know you can get help staying on track for the future youve always wanted. I thione second its there. Day. Then, woosh, its gone. I swear i saw it swallow seven people. Seven. I just wish one of those people could have been mrs. Johnson. [dog bark] trust me, were dealing with a higher intelligence here. The allnew audi q7 is here. Wheall i can think abouthit, is getting relief. Only nicorette mini has a patented fastdissolving formula. It starts to relieve sudden cravings fast. I never know when ill need relief. Thats why i only choose nicorette mini. People love me for saving them over half a grand when they switch to progressive. So im dabbling in new ventures. It was boardgame night with the dalai lama. Great guy. Terrible player. Go paperless dont stress, girl i got the discounts that you need its a balancing act, but i got to give the people what they want more box. Any words for the critics . What can i say . Critties gonna neg. [ applause ] the what . [ laughs ] frodoers dont stop. Wake up, every day is a chance to do something great. And for the ones they love, theyd do anything. Sears optical has glasses made for doing. Right now, buy one pair and get another free. Quality eyewear for doers. Sears optical. The market. Redict. But at t. Rowe price, we can help guide your investments through good times and bad. For over 75 years, our clients have relied on us to bring our best thinking to their investments so in a variety of market conditions. You can feel confident. In our experience. Call a t. Rowe price retirement specialist or your advisor. To see how we can help make the most of your retirement savings. T. Rowe price. Invest with confidence. Man 1 he just got fired. Man 2 why . Man 1 network breach. Man 2 since when do they fire ceos for computer problems . Man 1 they got in through a vendor. Man 1 do you know how many vendors have access to our systems . Man 2 no. Man 1 hundreds, if you dont count the freelancers. Man 2 should i be worried . Man 1 you are the ceo. Its not just security. Its defense. Bae systems. Thats hardball for now. Thanks for being with us. Tomorrow im going to be in las vegas and joined by senator harry reid. Thats going to be a hot one. Up next, msnbcs town hall with donald trump hosted by Joe Scarborough and mika brzezinski. I am going to be the greatest jobs president that god ever created. Remember that. If i get elected president , we will make America Great again. The weakest person on this stage by far is jeb bush. You want to talk about weakness . Its weak to disparage women. Its weak to disparage hispanics. Donald has this weird pattern, when you point to his own record, he screams liar, liar, liar. This guy will say anything. This guy lied about ben carson when he took votes away from ben carson in iowa. Building a hotel overseas is not Foreign Policy experience. Every guy that attacks me so far, they have all gone down. We have to keep it that way, right . Msnbc presents an exclusive town hall with donald trump. Here now are Joe Scarborough and