To find freedom five days and counting. The latest on the great escape. First this horror in iraq and syria. Why are we getting back into a bed thats already on fire . A prize winning columnist with the Washington Post. And david inducted in the journalists hall of famer. Thank you, sir. Congratulations. And j. C. Watts, congressman from oklahoma supporter of rand pauls president ial bid. Gentlemen, heres the big news from the white house statement today. Quote, the president authorized the deployment of up to 450 u. S. Military personnel to train, advise and assist Iraqi Security forces. The president made this decision after requests from Prime MinisterHadar Al Abadi and on the recommendation of secretary carter and chairman dempsey and with the unanimous support of his National Security team. They will not serve in a combat role. Do you believe it . I think i do believe what he said at least for these troops. Because what the president doesnt say was that these troops would be allowed to serve as forward spotters for example, for air strikes. Apparently, they will not be allowed to do that. So what that tells me is that the president has kind of grudging three agreed to these 450 new troops, but not with a new role, not with a forwardleaning role and that hes still not sold on the idea of greater u. S. Involvement, even as he slides in that direction. J. C. You can tell somebodys on board with what theyre doing, when they say theyre doing it because the other guys wanted him to do it. If he really wanted to do it why didnt he just say, i said so, im the commander in chief. Well, chris, i dont think we drew down correctly back in 2011. You had many that cautioned back then, republicans and democrats, that the drawdown had gone way too far. Now were kind of having to retract that and send more back in. I do believe the president when he says that hes not putting them in a combat role if you will. But that infrastructure has been lost. Im going to get back to you, sir, because i think the republican party, which you represent here tonight is not with this action here. Let me jump on this today House Speaker john boehner skirted questions about moving forward with a war authorization. Instead, he ripped into president obamas comments from earlier in the week that we dont have a strategy to train the iraqis to fight. Heres boehner. He has no strategy as he admitted himself much less an overarching strategy to take to isil. And you cant have an authorization of military force, if you dont have a strategy. As the president admitted the other day, he has no strategy to win. Wheres the overarching strategy . Whats the overarching strategy . The key word is strategy. Why dont republicans support the idea of a war against isil . Even the notion of it. If youre saying we should have kept troops in to fight them . I think rand paul and im supporting rand paul are you supporting the republican establishment here or rand paul . Im defending the fact that i am not we didnt draw down correctly, but to send american troops back in there, to put boots on the ground when iraqis arent willing to support themselves and were sending american troops back in there to do it . Again, i dont think we did it the right way, when we drew down, but we have to think through this thing going back. Where i disagree with you, is the idea that if we had kept a hundred guys there they would have fought against isis. We drew down with the agreement with the Iraqi Government at the time. Bush and cheney said that type of drawdown was fine. What the president is doing now, sending 450 troops, in essence, set up one more training camp. There are four Training Camps now for the iraqi military. Were trying to help but it hasnt gone too well. He wants to train a few more to have a chance to take back ramadi. Its very modest. But you see on the republican side, they still dont know what to say except to attack the president. What is John Boehners strategy . Suppose youre moderating the first, second or third republican debate, or the one with Hillary Clinton against a republican, and you say, which of you wants to send more troops back into iraq to fight this war on the ground . Tell me what they would say. If i were moderating, id turn to Lindsey Graham and say, okay Lindsey Graham here said 10,000 troops to start with thats the ante. And by the way, we need to pacify syria somehow. So we need to take care of this big scale. Whoa do you think . What do you think, rand paul . What do you think, scott walker . What do you think marco rubio . Do you think any of those candidates will come in for more troops on the ground . You suggest no. Rand paul has been hammered because he kind of took the Prime Minister netanyahu, he took his position to say, you know when you support the enemy against the enemy, youre still supporting the enemy. So were saying okay lets give the bad guys lets help the bad guys against the bad guys. Youre still helping the bad guys. Hes saying, think through this thing. You have to think how youre sending american troops if theyre not willing to help themselves why should there will be some. The neyo cons, whether its Lindsey Graham or others they want more troops a more robust military presence. At some point, jeb bush by the way, when is the regimen from the American Heritage foundation [ all speak at once ] i dont know. When are they marching over there . Like the fighting not any time soon but there will be a crunch time when jeb bush and john boehner have to say what it is they want to do if they dont like the president s strategy of muddling through. Senator rand paul is blaming his own party for creating this mess were in right now. Heres senator paul. Isis exists and grew stronger because of the hawks in our party who gave arms indiscriminately and most of those were snatched up by isis. They created these people. Everything theyve talked about in Foreign Policy theyve been wrong about for 20 years, and somehow they have the gall to keep pointing fingers and saying otherwise. I think its a terrible situation were in right now, because everybody at this table and everybody watching right now, has someone to blame right now for iraq. The condition were in right now. You can blame the drawdown. I can blame cheney are being born. I think the hawks have the wrong instincts. They want to go in with big armies fighting, more casualties, more enemies, and more hell to pay. I think we ought to blame the bad people are being bad. Start with isis. What do you do when you blame them . Theres an enemy there. Lets blame them. Then what . Thats the big question. You stoortart with the guys beheading people. But the critical debate has not been about what to do. It really has been a blame game. Thats part of the issue. Isis is bad. They do pose a threat to the region and probably some degree of threat to us, its hard to assess it. And how can we have a debate over what to do when the republicans are nobody wants to go into another war except for this guy. The hawks are still screeching. Scott walker, the guy with no Foreign Policy involvement isnt ruling out two more invasions with troops on the ground. Lets watch him. Would you rule out a fullblown u. S. Reinvasion of iraq and syria . I dont think we should ever send a message to our foes as to how far were willing to go. So you wouldnt rule out a fullblown i would not rule out boots on the ground. A fuelblown reinvasion of iraq . If the National Interests of this country are at stake, thats to me the standard of what we do for military engagement. So here we have the guy with the best chance in the iowa caucus and starting with a big chance to win the nomination. And hes talking about, i got no problem with another big war in iraq. What is he talking about . The problem with the question, its theoretical. He said im not taking anything off the table. You are ready to be president today . What do you do today . Dont give me theories about reinvasion. What will you do . The message is im ready to go back in. Hes not taking anything off the table, because he wants to appeal to as many people as possible. He wont commit to anything. I think the question is this. Ask republican and democrat candidates are you willing to send american soldiers moms sons wives, husbands back into iraq to defend them and try to get some stability there, when they wont do it for themselves . Thats a good question. And specifically, we could send troops in and retake ramadi. Then what . What do we do with it . That was our question when we went in the first time in 2003. Who are we going to turn this over to . And rumsfeld was the architect of the campaign to take that country over. He said we made a mistake trying to enforce democracy, when that was the reason we went in to overthrow the sunni, put the shia in power, and the shia said thanks. Byebye sunnis. Hello iranians. Remember at the time before the invasion there were people like general shinek isy and others saying youre going to need hundreds of thousands of troops to keep control of this country. If Lindsey Graham thinks he can do it with 10,000 troops, hes crazy. But whatever the infrastructure was there, its gone now. If we had kept a couple thousand more troops in that country, i dont think it would have stopped the creation of the caliphate over there, because they would have had to be fighting soldiers, to go into the sunni areas and kill a lot of isis people to stop them from taking over. Because they were all former military people from the government of iraq. They were trained, they were seasoned soldiers who had been finding iran for years. And we get rid of them. What do they do . I got a job called isis. They found an opportunity. Nobody knew this was going to happen. Joe biden might have known. Anyway, thank you. You guys laugh. I think he did know. Coming up its been five days and so far, no sign of the two convicted killers who broke out of prison in upstate new york. Well have the latest on the manhunt. Wheres Tommy Lee Jones when we need him . Plus 2016 politics Hillary Clinton isnt looking to her husband or president obama for inspiration as he gets ready to kick off her campaign. Shes going back to Franklin Roosevelt. And why is big labor bashing democrats . And the failure of our leaders to lead. This is hardball, the place for politics. I like my seafood like i like my vacations tropical. 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The manhunt for two convicted murderers who escaped from a maximum security prison over the weekend continued for a fifth day today. Police were going door to door in dannemora, searching houses for the men. Richard matt and david sweat have so far evaded capture. They cut through walls and pipes with power tools and climbed through tunnels to escape out a manhole. Authorities say the two men almost certainly had help. Im joined from dannemora now. Gentlemen, thank you. How do you get power tools into a prison cell, john yang . Well, we talked to nbc news talked to a retired corrections officer here and they say employees go in and out of there with duffel bags and other things that are not searched. They dont go through metal detectors, their belongings arent searched. So that is one possible route, but that is clearly one thing that investigators are looking into. As you know theyre interviewing a person of interest, Joyce Mitchell a teacher in the tailor shop in the prison shop where both inmates worked. Nbc news is being told they are still talking to her, she is still giving them information. Chris . Let me ask you about this distance traveled. I know if you do a compass and draw circles, you can find these guys anywhere in the world at this point. Sir, it seems to me the distance traveled now is almost total, you could get to almost anywhere in the world in five days if you get an airplane or meet somewhere in canada with all this time to think and their connections on cell phones, i wonder, they could be in churchill, canada, and flying from there to somewhere else in russia for all we know. Your thoughts . Absolutely. Thats why this is certainly an intense manhunt thats still ongoing and will continue but its also a fugitive investigation. And what i mean by that the net has been cast a little bit further. There have been some leads sent by the u. S. Marshalls service, my former agency they have sent some leads out to a few other states which unfortunately i cant share, but theyre extending their search and the puzzle needs to come together. As they continue to get intel into the investigators and the tips that are continuing to come in theyre going to do what they do best. So they need to yeah certainly, they could be on the moon at this point. I mean, five days is a long time. Prisoners like this, dont have to use credit cards. They must have some cash to get food, you have to buy it you have to meet some human being generally to get food. To get a car, you have to buy it or steal it. Theres no record is there any reports of a car being stolen in that vicinity . Well thats just it there is not. And theres nothing coming in to the investigators that im aware of. And of course i dont want to get involved in the middle of their investigation, but from my past experience, thats why these guys certainly could be still local somewhere. If thats the case and theyve been out for five days if there was help on the inside was there money taken into them before they escaped. Was a cell phone given to them before that . So theres a lot of questions that im sure the investigators have asked and have answers to. And theyre continuing to ask. Back to john yang whats this about the vermont option that they may have gone to vermont, because its a less settled place. Vermont has a lot of space with nobody living in it. Is that solid, that news . Well the vermont governor said in a press conference here just a little bit ago, with Governor Andrew Cuomo of new york they said its information theyve been developed in the investigation, theyve been interviewing inmates and employees and private contractors. As governor shumlin put it their thinking was that new york was going to be too hot and vermont would be cooler that a good place to hide out might be a camp in vermont. So theyve worked out a deal where new York State Troopers can go into vermont to search. Theres a Vermont State Police person at the command center here in new york. So they think that vermont was at least a possible intended destination after the breakout. Do we have let me get back to lenny. Do we have technology thats any different than it it would have been in the movie the fugitive . Do we have facial recognition technology, fingerprint technology, any way to capture evidence of these targets . Certainly technology is more advanced than Tommy Lee Jones in the fugitive. Our financial and technological surveillance units, we bring a variety of things to the table. And being asked into the investigation by the new York State Troopers we have resources, manpower state of the art equipment, money, to go after these guys and not stop until theyre caught. Last question to john yang are people rooting for or against these guys . Is there a spirit of the chase here . I know theyre evil guys, murderers. But is there some sense that people like the excitement of this up there . At least here in dannemora, where people have gotten the news they may not be that far away, theres no one rooting for these guys. Based on what they did, based on their trials theyre nasty, mean devious deceptive, every adjective you want to think of. They want these guys caught. They want them back in their back behind bars. People here are locking doors here for the first time in many many years. People going up checking their summer camps with great trepidation, taking hunting rifles with them when they go up and check them. I havent found anybody whos rooting for them up here chris. One of the things i learned from the gift of fear be careful of bad guys, because they have a charming capability. Theyll charm you, bond with you, they have all the techniques in the world. Thats probably how they got out of there. Thank you, john yang and be wear of the charming stranger. Did we underestimate bush 41 as president . Look at his numbers. Hes up there with bill clinton, a very popular former president and the guy bill clinton beat. This is hardball, the place for politics. Alright, lets take a look. The one on the right just used 1 less fuel than the one on the left. Now, to an airline a 1 difference could save enough fuel to power hundreds of flights around the world. Hey, look at that. Pyramids. So you see, two things that are exactly the same have never been more different. Ge software. Get connected. Get insights. Get optimized. 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The most common side effects are nausea, diarrhea, and headache. Some side effects can lead to dehydration, which may cause kidney problems. If your pill isnt giving you the control you need. Ask your doctor about noninsulin victoza. Its covered by most health plans. Welcome back to hardball. After 12 years of republican rule and control of the white house with his Approval Rating at alltime lows former president Herbert Walker bush was voted out of office. A poll found last month, among the living president s today, bush 41 is now among the most popular. Hes tied at the top spot with the man who beat him, former president bill clinton. 64 favorablity right now. In his new book, the quiet man, he argues that the 41st president deserves a lot of credit for the tough decisions he made many of which were unpopular when he made the time. Im joined now by the former governor of New Hampshire. Governor, thank you for joining us. I dont know whether its the thing about, you live long enough and people but i think theres more to it. Why do people like this fine gentleman of the old school . I think a lot of things that people criticized him for when he was president are turning out to have been right. Certainly not following saddam into baghdad after he kicked him out of kuwait. And not getting stuck there. People understand now that was the correct decision. And the budget that generated all the surpluses, with the budgeting rules that were part of it in the mid 90s and he promised no new taxes. Read my lips. One of the toughest decisions he made was his reversal on that despite his pledge at the republican convention. First the pledge. The congress will push me to raise taxes and ill say no, and theyll push and ill say no and theyll push again, and ill say to them read my lips no new taxes. [ cheers and applause ] well, two years later when bush said he would, in fact raise taxes, i wrote a column this column. Would any sane president , running at 70plus percent in the polls start kibitsing about taxes if he dnts absolutely have to . Want to know why he changed course because the current heading is taking this country into a tornado. What i argued then if we kept building the deficits in 90, we would have had hell to pay. Ty think its fair to argue, because bush had the guts to do that, reduce the deficits easier for bill clinton to get the credit . Absolutely. And thats what the president understood. He wanted to get reelected of course. But he had another big reason. He had just sent young men and women over to the middle east to take saddam out of kuwait. And he was very concerned that we would end up with a budget stalemate that cut off defense funding with young men and women not getting the support they wanted. It was one of many reasons. And he also had to deal with a congress that was 260175 in the house. 5545 in the senate and tom foley and George Mitchell were tough customers. You also blame Newt Gingrich of georgia, remember him . Putting his interests above the best interest of the country. Quote, as we moved into 1990 with the november elections just a few months ahead of us, i began to get the uneasy feeling that the gingrich agenda and the bush agenda were not completely aligned. By that point, i simply did not trust Newt Gingrich dan quayle later told me that gingrich actually wanted bush not to be reelected, so a gingrichled Republican House delegation would have a better shot at becoming a majority under a democratic president. Do you believe that . Yes, i believe that. Criteria was set. The tax was a gas tax that had not been adjusted for inflation in almost a decade. So he agreed to it and then after everybody came to the white house, he avoided the last ceremony, walked out and decided to oppose it. Right after you lost that election in 1992 a Young ClintonCampaign Staffer made fun of bush your boss, saying when he was asked, what was the most important thing about the president s job personally, he said the honor of it. They thought it was funny. I think that was an accurate description. George bush loved america, he thought it was an honor to serve, he thought it was a privilege to be in the white house, and he felt that he was doing each day what he would want someone else to do if they were in his job. During the 1990 gulf war, the one that ended right, president bush urged us to support saddam husseins army out of kuwait. But it was a remark that became the public symbol of his resolve. This will not stand. This will not stand, this aggression against kuwait. Ive got to go. I have to go to work. Ive got to go to work. How tough was it for him, when he had the whip hand he had it done he could have gone into baghdad, taken over the place, occupied it he said no were killing iraqis now, were not accomplishing anything. If we get in there, well be stuck running the place. The colin powell rule you broke it, you boutght it. How tough is it to say to the hawks, were not going in there . We had a serious debate but when the president decided, i think everybody was comfortable with the decision. He knew that we would get stuck there, but more than that he also felt that since we were operating under the resolutions from the u. N. , he had to meet the letter of those resolutions and they did not allow for him to go in. I remember watching the debates and clinton was loaded great with the Young AfricanAmerican Woman asking him about what was the impact of the deficit on his personal life. And she meant to say the Unemployment Rate the recession. The president said im not sure you know what youre talking about, pretty much. And then bill clinton said i know exactly what youre talking about. Gave a beautiful answer. But your boss was kind of like out of it. Why was bush out of it in the second reelection campaign. There two were problems. Ross perot was there. I agree. Number two, the president got frustrated with a campaign that wasnt going in the right direction, with a campaign that i personally looking from the outside, did not understand why they werent hitting on ross perot. I didnt understand why they werent running a tougher campaign. Did you miss lee atwater . Roger was gone, lee was gone. I had left. Some people are a little tougher on opposition than others. Lee is tough. Thats what im saying. The toughness wasnt there. I think if atwater was there, i think i say it in the book he would have hit pero over the head with a two by four. Pero was against the push family for some reason. He didnt solve anything. Thank you. The book is called the quiet man. This is an outside objective this guy was on the inside. John sununu. Thank you pch. Up next Hillary Clinton is not looking at her husband or barack obama for inspiration. Hes going back to fdr, we hear and it may be a smart strategy. Youre watching hardball, the place for politics 37. 7. Call 1800royal caribbean or your travel agent today if you cant put a feeling into words, why try . At 62,000 brush movements per minute Philips Sonicare leaves your mouth with a level of clean like youve never felt before. Innovation and you. Philips sonicare. Ive smoked a lot and quit a lot but ended up nowhere. Now i use this. The nicoderm cq patch, with unique extended release Technology Helps prevent the urge to smoke all day. I want this time to be my last time. Thats why i choose nicoderm cq. Song Rachel Platten fight song two million, four hundred thirtyfour thousand three hundred eleven people in this city. And only one me. Ill take those odds. 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That was Hillary Clinton there, as fled, recalling her fondness for Eleanor Roosevelt but when secretary clinton holds her First Campaign kickoff event on Roosevelt Island she may be embracing the other roosevelt, fdr. Who said there is nothing i love as much as a good fight. Thats exactly what Hillary Clinton is going to get in this campaign for the white house. Joining me now, howard fineman. And Washington Post columnist ruth marcus. And Political Correspondent jonathan allen. What do you think about hillary and fdr, is there going to be a parallel in her thinking . Absolutely. I think she thinks that theres a necessity for her in connecting to Franklin Roosevelt. Number one it gets her away from bill clinton and barack obama, who republicans are going to tie her to as the third term of. But when you talk to her campaign officials, they want to make the argument that you can be rich and look at for Common People at the same time. Roosevelt was well known for that. From her perspective, there are other parallels. She wants to project that shes progressive on domestic issues and muscular abroad. Roosevelt was no dove. Hillary clinton is no dove. Interesting. I dont think well hear a second new deal out of her, but well hear rhetoric that tries to link her to the past of the democratic party. And that Roosevelt Coalition that forms the base of the democratic party. Can new money act like old money . Because it always tries. Im dead serious. Democrats have been comfortable with the stevensons people with old money, second and third generation. The selfmade, theyve been more republican. Im not sure that reminding people affirmatively that fdr was rich Hillary Clinton is rich, therefore dont worry about it is going to be the best argument for the Clinton Campaign. I think its going to be very interesting where shes going to have sayiances with Eleanor Roosevelt, now channeling franklin as well. Nobody else can claim that. But its actually a different coalition than the fdr coalition, certainly geographically for the democratic party. And also a completely different mindset. Yes, progressive at home. Yes, muscular abroad. But were not launching either the fifth roosevelt term or the could new deal i dont think. That sounds like hubert humphrey. I disagree with that. Disagree with what . I think that jonathans right, but its a next evolution of roosevelt. I think what shes going to be saying is we need a roosevelt for our time in the sense that Franklin Roosevelt was really fighting against, and being opposed to the excesses of the gogo years of capitalism during the jazz age. To look at it historically. He brought in government to try to balance the scales. And i think the American People are looking for that now. They cant quite explain it to themselves. They dont have the policies for it exactly. But they sense that theres an imbalance here somewhere. I think youre right. That a lot of rich people are getting really, really, really rich but the average american is not. And thats the spirit that shes going to fight with. Its very smart. And Bernie Sanders is practically of the roosevelt era. [ all speak at once ] im amazed at the tactfact that so many people know all about the rich. When im at the homes of somebody really wealthy, if anybody saw it there would be a revolution. Roosevelt was elected an unprecedented four times to the presidency. Hillary clinton struggling with her own aura of wealth as she tries to frame herself as a warrior for the middle class. Last week the Washington Post, clinton can talk all she wants about income inequality and reducing the influence of money in politics but her recent experience makes it seem insincere. Is that fair . She said things that were completely out of touch, like we were dead broke when we left the white house. I think even though technically true i think that makes it seem like she cant be the person who is the wealthy woman thats serving the lower classes. But is it possible to do that . Absolutely. I think we got to wait for a plls agenda. One of the things that i think is interesting, her staff has been working closely with the folks at the roosevelt institute, many of whom are liberal on regulating corporations and wall street. What comes out of the discussions, her big platform were still waiting to hear. Ruth wrote a big column today i was disagreeing with you and now youre being so nice to me. Im asking for american fairness. Nobody has to take any heat the bushes never took heat in the old days. George Herbert Walker bush, nobody ever held it against him he was born in the manor. I just wonder, when did we decide certain people shouldnt be rich . Well its the way they got rich. They got rich off their public service, and often times from the very people that they were helping when they were in office. So i think part of it is that. Thats a huge part of what the negatives on Hillary Clinton are right now. But nobody holds reagan responsible for taking 2 million from the japanese. Can i just say that old money becomes more innocent over time . Yes. [ laughter ] reagan also like the kennedys. Who was it that said behind every great wealth theres a great crime . Ann richards did say that george bush was born on third base silver spoon in his mouth. He hit a triple. I think she lost the next election too. And it was controversial at the time reagans 2 million speech, but he didnt then want to go back into office. Changed history when she wrote the acceptance speech for bush. It got to me. She made him into a regular guy. Dan quayle didnt help. The roundtable is staying with us. 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The house of representatives is expected to vote on the big trade bill granted president obama trade promotional authority, otherwise known as fasttrack. Friday is the day. Political coreported that house leaders are confidence but not certain they have the support to pass sweeping trade leftwingalation, are aiming to bring the paj to the floor vote by the end of the week. Many of those attacks are coming from labor unions who are targeting democrats who are planning to say yes. As we showed you last week there was a tv ad against amy berra for supporting the bill ask yesterday began airing this tv bill, slamming Kathleen Rice, who has also decided to vote for fasttrack. In january, congresswoman rice wrote a letterwages. In april, she said it again. On saturday rice flipflopped and now supports exactly that bad policy that experts say costs millions of american jobs we cant afford to lose. Actions speak louder than words. Why should we ever trust Kathleen Rice again . The leader of the Group Running that ad, Richard Trumka appeared earlier today sounding confident about labors chances to destroy the bill. Lets watch. Well, i think were going to win on friday. I think we have the votes. Well see. It will be a close vote. This is going to be the most stark contrast that those 435 people ever had. Either you vote for working people or for corporate entitlements. Well johnny stopped by my office after the appearance and hes confident, he says they got the votes. 70 republicans may be voting against this. They think no more than 20 democrats. Numbers work against the package passage. Where do you see it . It is too close to call at this point. Can the president and the Democratic Leader Nancy Pelosi who i am so impressed with will she help the president on this . I think shes trying to figure it out. She would like to leverage something more for labor if she can out of some of those democratic votes. She met with Denis Mcdonough and four our Top White House officials, labor secretary came down to her office, jeff ziance. What happened to politician dealing. You go to the congressman, well give you give us minimum wage. How about a deal . Nobody does that anymore. This is basically a conflict between the spirit of american politics right now, which is extremely distrustful of big corporations global trade and all of that against the what the leaders of the country view as long range interest president s always support this kind of thing. I would bet it is going to come down to a couple of votes like jonathan says. Even though barack obama is not lyndon johnson, hes got the presidency. Can he deliver republicans have the majority in both the house and the senate. They got to be able to find a few things also Hillary Clinton as john was saying earlier, Hillary Clinton said nothing. Nor has nancy pelosi or steny hoyer. Exactly. With hillary not coming out if hillary is a leftist, she would have come out against the thing. Here she is. Secretary of state Hillary Clinton advocated for president obamas trade deal. Here she is. To continue this progress we are both pressing ahead on something called the Transpacific Partnership. It is an ambitious multilateral Free Trade Agreement that would bring together many more nations of the pacific rim. Australia and the United States are helping to lead those negotiations. She did have some concerns about that in her book. But bill clinton, i heard him in tokyo a couple of months ago completely for the bill. He called it fabulous. He was the main proponent of nafta of the earlier trade agreement. Hillary has been on both sides. Now Hillary Clinton is staying on the sidelines of the trade debate now. Here she is. Do you have any concerns about the trade deal and whether that will hurt the competitiveness here . Well any trade deal has to produce jobs and raise wages and increase prosperity and protect our security. And we have to do our part in making sure we have the capabilities and the skills to be competitive. I have said i want to judge the final agreement. Ive been for trade agreements. Ive been against trade agreements. I tried to make the evaluation depending upon what i thought they would produce and thats what im waiting to see. One thing Hillary Clinton knows this issue, but hillary has been an expert, secretary of state when this thing was put together. What does she really believe . Is she for trade or against it . Shes for getting elected. Whether it supports the Fast Track Authority and what the Clinton Campaign folks are saying which is really kind of laughable is thats a kind of procedural vote thats really an internal congressional matter. She would have that authority if she were president. 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Is there some senator or member of congress who wants dangerous bridges, who is happy with trains that shake, rattle and roll, that ramble along like a farmers buck board, like the acela does between d. C. And new york . Is there anyone happy that Memorial Bridge which we marched across in the march on the pentagon in 1967 against the vietnam war is now crumbling . Does anyone wish that president eisenhower had not built the interstate highway system that unites this country now, route 95, that cuts north and south route 70 and 80 that cut across the continent uniting east and west . Isnt there a way in all of the klatter of opportunities, the trade build, the minimum wage hike keystone Infrastructure Spending that grownups can find ways to jam things together and make it work. Is everything about killing Something Like obama care . Cant we find a way to get something done by letting some things live . Where are the lbjs, tip oneills, bob doles, bill clintons . Lincoln built the Transcontinental Railway in the middle of the civil war. And with it scientific agriculture in the same war. Im waiting for a president ial candidate of either party to propose a deal that would actually get done. I wonder if any have the courage to do it because that would be interesting. And thats hard ball for now. Thank you for being with us. All in with chris hayes starts right now. Tonight on all in. With all that happened that day, he allowed his emotions to get the better of him. A surprising message of regret from the attorney of officer casebolt as the backlash to the backlash continues in mckinney. You should just admit that. Youre a race pimp. Live to texas for the latest. Plus as the white house announces 450 new advisers in iraq, why shouldnt we just bring all our troops home . Then why the attacks on marco rubio and his 80,000 speedboat seem a little unfair. 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