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Hadley and Paul Wolfowitz who left us with isis a nutso policy called the potter ree barn rule, you break it you bought it. Will the real jeb bush please stand up. Are you go it alone Freedom Fries neocon id yeah log . Then your brother doubled down with his war of choice. Are you taking us to war with iran . Is this going to be the bush try trifecta . Are you going to find other ways to guard this countrys interests other than taking us into another war . Political correspondent casey hunt is in chicago covering governor jeb bush today. What was the feeling out there today . That he separated himself from his sibling and his father or he didnt . Chris, i think that while the headline out of this was, i am my own man, you didnt actually hear many specifics where jeb bush is actually differenciating himself between george w. Bush and george h. W. Bush. If you listen to the discussion about iraq he said there were mistakes made in iraq and that the surge was politically heroic, one of the most politically hero we can things that any president has done and that president obama is the one who squandered the gain from the surge which ultimately led to isis. And how did president obama splurge the surge, if you will . Well the way that jeb bush outlined it in his q a is just that because obama accelerated the withdraw from iraq and if the president had shored up the troops in iraq had a presence that was stronger more resilient, that we ultimately wouldnt be in the situation that we were in today. Kasie hunt great reporting. A Global Security group in chicago, governor bush cited the mistakes in iraq but praised his brothers strategy in iraq as heroic. There were mistakes made in iraq for sure. Using the intelligence capability that everybody used about weapons of mass destruction turns out not to be accurate. My brothers akdministration through the surge, there was no support for this and hugely successful and created a stability that when the new president came in he could have built on to create fragile but more stable situation that would not have and allowed for the void to be filled. The void has been filled because we created the void. Steve kornacki most of msnbcs up and George Pataki how does jeb bush separate himself from a very recent presidency with whatever your politics is now recognized to be the very unpopular war with iraq . He did not do that today. He said hes his own man and he is. He will be asked specific questions and he will outline issues that will allow him to stand on his own two feet. But what he really said today was basic republican orthodoxy. He said we made the wrong decision on cuba. Almost all republicans agree on that. We have to rebuild and strengthen our military. Almost all republicans and most americans agree with that. We have to stand with israel. I think these are all things that they dont separate him from his brother but he doesnt have to on these issues because these are things that republicans across the board, with the possible exception of rand paul think are the right in the primaries especially. I think in the general, too, the American People support a stronger military and standing with israel. I think the interesting thing is how tactical he was. Steve, going out and saying i supported the surge where people are going to say, if youre going to get stuck in iraq at least leave on our own terms which the surge allowed us to do but it was not a smart war to fight. Are we better off . Is isis better than Saddam Hussein . Thats the question he doesnt want to answer and he came out and said that flat out the other day. Its a question that they dont want to like the Vice President of the United States and like hillary clinton. Yes. And what the governor is saying is that the broad message he laid out, absolutely, thats consistent with where the Republican Party is and i think the Republican Party with all of the developments with isis in the last year this is probably true of the whole country but the Republican Party in particular which has been a little more hawkish moving in a more hawkish response to this. Hes where he needs to be ideologically. I think he wanted to be very reaganesque rather than bushish. He slammed president obamas Nuclear Negotiations with iran. Here it is. And this is the hot stuff. Irans ambitions are clear and its capabilities are growing. For many years, they have been developing longrange missile capabilities and their own Nuclear Weapon program. When he launched his negotiations, president obama said that that was the goal stop Irans Nuclear program. Now were told the goal has changed and the point of these negotiations isnt to solve the problem, its to manage it. Irans intent is clear. Its leaders have openly expressed a call for the annihilation of the state of israel. This is an existential threat to israel and to the United States. We could face largescale proliferation issues throughout the region if iran has the ability to launch a Nuclear Weapon. Okay. The overstatements obviously, not an existential threat to the planet. He made a mistake there. What is the republican mainstream alternative to continue negotiations for a couple more months or a couple more weeks with iran . Whats the alternative . If the negotiations dont work go back to hard sanctions and try to get as much buyin globally as possible. Can we get the russians and chinese this time im not sure. I think obama made an enormous mistake in lifting sanctions in return for negotiations. Crater irans economy and result in a regime right off the top, the tougher sanctions wont be bought by the people who trade with iran. They wont work. We have to preserve the opportunity, if they are close to developing a Nuclear Weapon, to prevent that from happening. Its not just iran and their existential threat to israel the gulf states they all have nuclear heres the gut question. Do you think either administration would attack if theres a Republican Administration coming in would ever attack iran unless they were on the very edge of having a Nuclear Weapon . And not a year out. I have listened to the hard right. I think they are ready to bombs away right now because they talk about it. They are very close to a hawkish position which scares the hell out of me. Go to war with another islamic country when you dont have to . Thats the idea of preemptive war that the world has changed a lot in the last year at least how weve perceived the war has changed a lot in the last year and maybe they are rethinking that a little bit but the one thing at least that carries over from iraq is the preemptive attack the preemptive war like we launched in baghdad in 2003 thats not going to be happening anytime soon. Do you think anybody in your party would go that far before they have a Nuclear Weapon . I think when they are on the verge of a Nuclear Weapon. I agree. The safety of the world. You have to hit them before they have an opportunity to hit us. The question is how much lead time are you willing to give them . Are you willing to say a year out, that gives many he a year to track them if you have the right kind of inspections. This will come down to intelligence too. Right. Weve been hearing this for the last two, three, four five six years that they are two months away. Jeb, the governor cheered israeli Prime Minister netanyahu who will address a joint meeting of congress in an open effort to derail the president s noish negotiations. Lets watch governor bush here. Im really eager to hear what he has to say. Israel is not at the negotiation table with iran but it has a lot at stake. I dont blame him for wanting to share his views. In fact i think it will be important to get the perspective from our closest ally in the region. Im surprised that the administration is upset to hear from a close ally on such a sensitive subject. Foreign policy should be a place where our longterm security interests are front and center and the political hacks should be doing the campaigns and staying there. Speaking of a political hack, ive never heard of a speaker going along with a secret plan. All he had to do was say i know youre not going to like this but i have the Prime Minister of israel coming here. He didnt do that. All of a sudden president obama, a partisan move by b. B. A move by the ambassador to help him and all to the detriment of a Foreign Policy. The fact is netanyahu is going to be addressing congress. Do you think its right to do it . Its done. I think what is not right youre avoiding the question. The president should invite netanyahu to the white house. Hes coming. How about inviting herzog and libya and the opponents in the election since its only two weeks off. I dont think you invite candidates. Hes the Prime Minister of israel. Its two weeks before the election, they sneak him into the country. Hes not sneaking into the country. Hes the sitting Prime Minister of israel. Has there ever been in your lifetime, someone invited to talk to a joint meeting of the Congress Without the president knowing it was being done . I cant tell you that. Why are we steting a precedent here . Its extraordinary. I know the politics here. Then youre snubbing him but this was a snub perpetrated by the ambassador of israel from israel not to israel and the speaker of the house. They put this thing together and its official now. They never told the president. And you can see a Political Alliance thats sprung up between netanyahu, between the right in israel and the Republican Party in this country and i think this is one quick point. By the way, this is cooked. This isnt about israel or ju wesh people. This is about the van gel evangelicals. Who started this fight . The president , i believe, with obamacare when he wouldnt even talk to the republicans began the breakdown and civil dialect. That is interesting because that is not so off the wall. It is off the wall. I said its not off the wall. Some people say boehner did this tricky number with netanyahu was to get even for the executive orders on immigration which is really you keep going on its because of this because of that. The point is they should sit down and Work Together and its the greatest country in the world. We should stop the mickey mouse and this is part of the mickey mouse mouse. On both sides. I know. But in this case mickey mouse is a republican. Thank you, governor George Pataki who may run for president. Any thoughts on that now . Well decide later. Who is this we . My wife. She has veto power. Coming up, the isis barbarity continues. Mass beheadings and burning people alive and then they post their crimes online for the world to see. My question whom are they addressing their message. And a state Department Spokeswoman is being criticized for comments she made on my program. And john boehner blindsided the white house last month by inviting netanyahu to address congress. A new poll shows nearly twothirds of americans say boehner shouldnt have sent that invitation. Finally, the man responsible for alltime hollywood classics from diner has a new movie out starring al pacino. 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And how can it be defeated . Those are the questions facing counterterrorism officials here in the u. S. And around the world. Well, late tuesday, the Group Continued its assault, launching multiple waves of attacks against occurred deshkurdish forces in iraq. Theres a disturbing video of 21 christian egyptians being beheaded. The main speaker had a north american and likely american accent. Well today, president obama addressed a white house summit on countering violent extremism. He said military force alone wont solve the problem. We have to confront squarely and honestly the twisted ideologies that these terrorist groups use to incite people to violence. Al qaeda and isil and groups like it are desperate for legitimacy. They try to portray themselves as religious leaders, holy warriors in defense of islam and say that america is at war with islam. Thats how they recruit, thats how they radicalize young people. We must never accept the premise that they put forward. Because it is a lie. Nor should we grant these terrorists the religious legitimacy that they seek. They are not religious leaders. They are terrorists. For more im joined by graham wood who wrote the atlantic and inside the army of terror. The president makes a dichotomy between islam and the terrorists. Do you think its useful . I think its important that he mentions that islam is not defined by isis but its fauls to say that isis doesnt from the islamic tradition. And making that distinction is a very important thing for the United States to do to as he says, show that the United States is not at war with islam, which is what the narrative of isis is. What is isis about . Whats it purpose . Its a new organism on the planet that came from somewhere. Is it a derivative of al qaeda . Its not new, chris, weve been at war with them for 11 years. They were founded in 2004 in iraq by zawakari. When did they begin to hold land as a caliphate. When the u. S. Had a military presence there, they were in fallujah. We kicked them out of fallujah. They were in mosul. We kicked them out of mosul. Its a big part of iraq and syria. It looks like a country developing there. Its got its own militia running its place, its building loyalty under sharia law because those sunnis would rather have that apparently that the mailitias from baghdad. I would argue that isis is more of a political project rather than religion. They are tapping into islamic theology and islamic history. The idea of merging the two feasts that persisted at the time of the second crusades of aleppo and mosul, this is very powerful in their propaganda and their narrative. But the guys at the top, a lot of them are true believers in jihadism but a lot of them come from the guys of Saddam Hussein, that went from military fatigues drinking wine and having eight mistresses to being with the long black beard. Oem had a lot of guys that went through that program said forget about it. So they come from sweet deals with the older Saddam Hussein, they are kicked out by the debaathification program so they find a new cause . Yes. It has persisted for centuries cutting all pragmatic deals with whoever is in charge. Right now isis is in charge and, as you put it, lets join forces with these guys. They are brutal and barbarist but the reason were fascinating with this, its not looking at a map for regional studies, its because were seeing people beheaded. Wore seeing people burn alive and we identify with those people. I do. Why is this woman who is a good woman supposedly gets killed in an air attack which she probably wasnt and then someone else who is a loyal fighter for the Jordanian Air force, probably a good guy, burned alive by gasoline just because hes a soldier. And then these christians are killed because they are christians. They do have rules of warfare and they talk about them constantly to themselves and to the rest of the world. These are rules of warfare that most muslims would say deviate extremely from the rules of warfare. But to say that they are making it up as they go along i think would be a mistake and to suggest that even though its certainly true that we have so many of these bath party member who is have joined the Upper Echelon of isis to say too quickly that they are insincere lets talk about their true belief. How do they see the world . They are recruiting with it. You say its deeper than that. Yes. They believe that they are agents of the apocalypse and they believe part of what they have to do is create a fight between the west and as they call it the army of rome and islam and once they are able to do that theyll have a sign post along the way and eventually thats going to lead to the end of time. So how many in that group of the isis people in the black uniforms driving around the armored personnel carriers how many of those are true believers at the top that have this religion, this cult . We dont know. There are programs to ensure there is ideological enforcement. There are people making sure that they have a paycheck making sure that they have security and find that isis is the fastest way to get there. How do we diffuse this . Diffuse in the form of propaganda. They say that we are constantly expanding, model on the islamic conquest. They start to look inevitable and a bit more pathetic because the territory they do control, its i am pof its impovershed. Very good read there. Thank you. Up next the american film director who gave us diner and rainman, this is hardball, the place for politics. Medications. But it can also lead to tooth decay and bad breath. Man, this is hardball, the place for politics. Rain man, this is hardball, the place for politics. 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All expertly blended to make our mayo. So you can take whatever youre making from good to amazing. Get inspired at kraftrecipes. Com welcome back to hardball. With so many worthy films, the Academy Awards this sunday night are as anticipated as ever especially in the hotly contested best actor category. Our special guest this evening knows a thing or two about what make as great performance. In his career, Berry Levinson has directed six actors in os scorenominated roles, glenn close, Beatty Harvey keitel ben kingsley and Dustin Hoffman. Heres a clip of his latest movie the humbling. You know i was thinking dont you think its time you told your parents about us . Oh no no no. My mother can never know about why . Anything. Why . What do you mean . Well even if the two of you hadnt had a thing for each other back in the day wait what . Wait a minute. Im just saying i could never i could not possibly tell her or him. Oh god. Think of the look on aces face. That would be terrible. It would just be way too painful, wouldnt it . Oh, you want to go . Get settled . Oh, thank you so much for trying to help. Im joined right now by the filmmaker behind the humbling, barry levinson. We read that al pacino almost didnt get the part for the godfather because he had to do the restaurant scene before he nailed the part and that young woman there pops in greta. Fantastic. So youre talking about in this movie how it seems to me its about what life and acting does to you. It exhausts your very being so you have a guy like al pacino its about an actor who is just at the end of the line. Well, i mean it take as toll physically and mentally. I mean mentally there is a point you begin to forget lines, you cant remember certain things and then just the pure beaten up in a sense, youve done all this work you get attacked, you get praised or whatever. I mean it just plays games with your head. Well lets take a look. Its hard to pick a single best performer, including steve carell Bradley Cooper, benedict cumberbatch. I always thought the guy who gets the nominee and woman who gets the best actress, they have a nominee already and who wins the final . How is that based too many british movies or that kind of stuff . No. Its pure its pure there is no answer to it. Because there are these performances in a given year and they are so different. Its very hard. All of them who were nominated and you say Bradley Cooper did a terrific job over here and then youve got benedict cumberbatch, a different kind of piece of work. Theres all of these Different Things and in the end somebody says, i guess ill pick soandso. Is there any sentiment to this, like Michael Keaton has had a tough time in his career and this is his comeback movie . I guess so. I guess so. Its a very pacino hes in this movie. You did diner back in 82 that featured many actors in the beginning of their careers. They are household names. By the way, the music is fantastic. Heres the movie. What do you think . Sinatra . Would you just let that die . Please . Its important to me. Its annoying me okay . Youve been asking that question to every mo that walks in here. Well maybe i have something to gain from the answer. Did you ever think of that . Maybe i have something to gain. What does it matter . Let the man speak. Let the man speak. Speak. President. Okay. There you go. Thats the answer. So you cast this kevin bacon who has been around ever since and mickey but paul riser and tim daily who is on madam secretary now, you spotted them all. Well, you know i saw 500 guys for those, you know six roles. They look for guys like the ones you grow up with. I wanted to do a movie that sounded like the way the times were when i hung out. Just ordinary conversation. Not special stuff, just very ordinary things. You know, who do you like better . Do you like this . You can eat this. Just very ordinary talk. And i had never seen it done in a film that way and i thought, can i get down to the way we really function and how we can communicate . Thats really what is behind it. We never really say what we want. Were always going sideways and our relationships with women, we never go to it were just doing a dance. We never want to come out and say the way we feel and i thought, can i put that on film . Can i do it . The guy who really made his girlfriend go through a sports test before he agreed to marry her . My cousin eddie did. And he held her to that . He did. He said barry, i saw the movie five times and i realized it was not a good idea to give my wife the football test. Three weeks after we were married, she cant remember one of the answers. So it didnt work. One of the most sobering films this guy directed was rain man with tom cruise and Dustin Hoffman. He insists on buying new boxers underwear, from the kmart in cincinnati. You dont have to go to cincinnati to get a pair of underwear. We are not going to cincinnati. Raymond, that is final. Do you hear me . What difference does it make . What difference does it make where you buy underwear . What difference does it make . Underwear is underwear. You know that movie is so good. Thanks. You won the Academy Award for that. Dustin hoffman and i think cruise was great in that. He had to push the whole movie. Dustin is over here but cruise has to move the whole film forward. Its a tough role. He was great. On to these roles that Dustin Hoffman whos the greatest actor of all time . Thats a hard question. I think there i dont know that i can say. I certainly think that having worked with al on movies hes one of the greatest actor i have ever seen. He has such dedication. Hes so committed and so longs to work. Its really quite remarkable. I loved him in shy lock. On broadway . It was amazing. You made a movie in 1997 about how a president manipulates the bench to get himself off the hook from an embarrassing scandal. In fact there was a joke and now a year later comes Monica Lewinsky and that whole mess. How did you know the girl would be a beretwearing woman who looked just like this woman . I said to you in the break, religions are based on less than this. How did you know that she would be wearing a beret . Theres no answer to it because someone said what did you do go back and put that in the movie . I said no we just happened top her with a beret. We thought it would look good. Who would know. You didnt show any version of this to bill clinton . No. But ill tell you a quick story about it when we were in washington on a break, we were only there for one day and someone came in and said to din narrow and dustin and myself would you like to meet the president , mr. Clinton . We said yes. So we go through the whole hotel. We were in the restaurant part. Some guy comes out and says can i help you . And he said the president is very busy goes back in. We feel silly fools. We go back to the restaurant and the same woman comes running back, says oh, my god, there was such a mixup, shes out of breath, would you like to meet the president and dinero looks at her and says will he meet us halfway . And so shes did do you that . Stand him up . She gets nervous, oh i see, youre kidding around. We go into this room and clinton a minute later comes in hi hello, et cetera et cetera. And then he says so whats this movie youre doing . Oh, my god. And all of a sudden we realized, we cant talk to a president about the fact that the president was having a relationship with this young girl, et cetera this is all before Monica Lewinsky but we cant talk about that. We dont know what to say and we all look at one another and all of a sudden dustin comes forward and he says well its a story and makes up an entirely fake movie. We were too embarrassed to tell him at that point. Barry levinson, the great director, thank you for coming on. A state Department Spokeswoman is being krit stized for comments that she made here about the root cause of terrorism. Is this criticism fair . Youre watching hardball, a place for politics. Shopping online is as easy as it gets. Wouldnt it be great if hiring plumbers, carpenters and even piano tuners were just as simple . Thanks to angies list now it is. Start shopping online from a list of toprated providers. Visit angieslist. Com today. Theyre coming. What do i do . You need to catch the 4 10 huh . The Equipment Tracking system will get you to the loading dock. There should be a truck leaving now. I got it. Now jump off the bridge. What . In 3. 2. 1. Are you kidding me . Go. Right on time. Right now, over 20,000 trains are running reliably. We call that predictable. Thrillingly predictable. You get sick you cant breathe through your nose. Suddenly. Youre a mouthbreather. 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Authorities are investigating the blast that tore through an exxonmobil refinery near los angeles today. Four workers suffered minor injuries in that explosion. Democrat kate brown has been sworn in as Oregon Governor following the resignation of John Kitzhaber last week. And thousands of people are left without power as the siberian express sends temperatures to below zero through the weekend. Back to hardball. Welcome back to hardball. Marie harf is being criticized over comments she made here on hardball. She said, we have to do more than kill terrorists, we have to get to the root cause of what leads them to violent extremists. Are we killing enough of them . We are killing a lot of them and will kill more of them but we cannot kill our way out of this war. We need in the medium and longer term to go after the root causes that leads people to join these groups whether its lack of opportunity for jobs work with countries around the world to help improve their governance and build their economy to have Job Opportunities for these people. Those comments didnt sit well with conservative commentators and they jumped on her. Here they are. This is an insult to all of the people in the world who are actually poor and not blowing people up. Exactly. And not targeting christians. Now they send their spokesman from the state department to say, well we cannot kill our way out of this war with isis. Were going to have to get to the root cause and find them jobs. This woman is simply a product of the deranged delusional beliefs of the professors and graduate assistants and the teaching assistants. I guess maybe if we just try and get every terrorist a job and provide a better way maybe we should put them on our Food Stamp Program next. Like seriously . Now that has to take the lead seriously, for the dumbest statement ive ever heard even from this administration. Well this morning on msnbcs morning joe, harfs old boss says she probably wishes she could take those comments back. You started your show today quoting marie harf who used to work with me at the cia and i think marie would want to take a mulligan and how she said what she said two days ago. Harf responded to the criticism and doubled down. Well im not sure i would take a mulligan on this one. Military commanders politicians of both parties counterterrorism experts all agree if youre going to prevent terrorist groups from spreading to other places getting a more recruits, you have to look at the root causes that can lead people to extremism. Okay. Joining me tonight, mike paul a former aide to Rudy Giuliani and tara is with the new york post. Tara that seemed to be i want to let you have the first shot. Was marie harf correct in saying that you have to get to the root causes which are mainly poverty or should we look at this more as a military political thing, fighting isis . She only gave a piece of the story and that was a problem, picking up a line out of the quote and saying its the full story. Unfortunately, shes being skewered for it. It doesnt sit well for americans. Its hard for them to stomach a group of terrorists potential terrorists. Shes saying give them jobs and hope before they become bad guys. Recruits are leaving our country, leaving europe to join isis thinking that theres opportunity there. And so theres opportunity here in the United States and were supposed to be helping them . It doesnt sit well with americans. Chris, the guy who is leaving his home to go fight in iraq right, hes not going to not behead somebody because he has a job at mcdonalds. A good job as a plumber, electrician making good money, would he stick around . I dont know. Would he . Im wondering what the bidding here is. When were talking about people who are beheading people. Yeah. Its not the thing you want to hear first or even second. When somebody comes up to you and says they have this new nonflammable material that might be more helpful, no, you want the fire truck to show up. Chris is the only spokesperson sitting at the table that i have to defend which is she was not speaking for herself. She was speaking for the administration. What do you think the administration believes is the way to deal with isis . On monday there was a message about isis and the beheadings and that was a serious message and should have had a serious response. On wednesday, today, they were prepping for a conference on terrorism. They had agreed it was going to be a softer message and im sure her bosses said you have to talk about both. She came on your show was asked a direct question from a war perspective, from a beheading perspective and she answered that first and then gave the soft answer after and she got hit. Yeah. I thought when i heard her answer that this was coming. I mean i think because people when youre in a war, it appeals to the belacausity of people and when you say you have a longterm plan of in some areas around paris, the muslim immigrants are having a hell of a bad time but you remember 9 11 all of those guys were technically skilled. Also one of the things that she should be hearing now is make sure on monday when you have a message with 21 beheadings, you stick to that message on monday. Tuesday morning was fine to go into the softer message before the conference. And the guys who flew the planes on 9 11 they didnt know how to fly planes. We taught them. That is her job, longterm development in these countries. 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Im not sure which way its going to go but i think we shouldnt forget that back in 2007 nancy pelosi went to syria against the white houses wishes on behalf of israel. This has been happening for a while. They play politics in international relations. We do have a logan act however. Were not supposed to i know this isnt exactly doing that. Its getting close when you start inviting a leader of a country in a very difficult situation where he disagrees with our president on a policy of trying to negotiate away from having Nuclear Weapons two parties feels very strongly about a potential deal. He doesnt want a deal. The constitution which we hear a lot about in the house, does not give the speaker of the house the right to set Foreign Policy. Its another thing to invite him to essentially lobby on an issue in which there is an active disagreement in american politics. And during an election time in israel and during the week that 21 christians were beheaded in the middle east. I think it was a big mistake. The ambassador from israel says he was informed by somebody that the president was going to be told of this invitation. This is why the state department handles Foreign Policy and dealings with foreign leaders. I find that hard to believe that he didnt know that the president whats that going to do to israeli politics. Hes a hell of a politician. Hes a great person. And this polling over there. Israel is a very difficult country politically. People like to argue. Everybody thinks of themselves as Prime Minister. It looks like a squeaker of an election over there. Will it be seen that he gave that bloc a break here . Will it be treated that way . Im not an expert but i do think theres a sense that the relationship with the u. S. Is so important it is the bedrock of the national security. And to kind of meddle in it in this way is probably not going to sit well, even with the voters who share his worries about a deal with iran. Im amazed at the people who have stood up and said theyre not going. It is outstanding to stand up in israel in this way. We know it isnt. But in a way that could be used by political enemies as antiisraeli. This has penetrated beyond the beltway. Its not going to be a cake walk. Its going to be troublesome. Thank you. Our roundtable tonight mike paul, thank you, sir. Thank you. Ill be right back. Meet the worlds newest Energy Superpower. Surprised . In fact, america is now the worlds number one natural gas producer. And we could soon become number one in oil. Because Hydraulic Fracturing Technology is safely recovering lots more oil and natural gas. Supporting millions of new jobs. Billions in tax revenue. And a new century of American Energy security. The new Energy Superpower . Its red, white and blue. Log on to learn more. Before larry instantly transferred money from his bank of america savings account to his merrill edge retirement account. 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