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Isis is starting to take shape . Nbcs keir simmons joins me now from amman, jordan. Keir, thats my question starting with the jordanians. How strong an attack are they mounting . How long will they sustain it . Reporter theyre definitely mounting a strong attack chris. This has been a sustained air offensive over many many days. They describe themselves frank list, as pounding isis positions, hitting their fuel depots hitting their ammunition depots, and they say they are deflating isis forces. Theyre also very proud that they believe that the uae could get substantially involved. We saw the uae f16s and uae f16 pilots alongside jordanian f16 pilots just today. So they do think that they are making a real difference deplete depleting isis by 20 , they claim, but as you rightly suggest, the question then who will lead that ground offensive and how effect it can really be chris . Keir one jordanian general told you i hear, the leader of isis is frightened. Lets listen to that conversation right here. We have assets in the air. Like al baghdadi and his gangs. In your view, he is frightened . Theres no doubt about it. Theres always going to be doubt about the ability of anybody over there to defeat isis, but now there seem to be signs, the kurds, of course are fighting on the ground against them. The iraqi army were told may go into action in some kind of counteroffensive. Is it possible i notice theyre no longer parading around in the black suits, armored personnel carriers riding around with their banners showing off their ability not to get hit. Are they afraid of air strikes now and potential ground attacks . Isis . Reporter oh, yeah theyre afraid of air strikes. They would be crazy if they werent afraid of air strikes. I mean you can say many of them are crazy, but, you know they are in hiding. Thats certainly going to be the case. Moving around. And the jordanians believe that al baghdadi has moved from iraq back over to already we know that the kurds are complaining that they dont have enough resources and when it comes to the iraqi army withdrew. Okay. We lost that. It was a great reporting there. Thank you, keir simmons whos in jordan in amman jordan. Im joined by michael kay, International Affairs correspondent, and former british officer. And andrew, former director of the Counterterrorism Center hes with the Rand Corporation now. Gentlemen, lets start with this. Do we have any word andrew on the life or death of Kayla Mueller . No, i think sadly, only isis really knows what her fate is. I think its pretty clear but highly doubtful she was killed in a Jordanian Air strike. It seems even hard to figure out why isis would announce that she was dead if shes not. But, i mineean, its way too early. Theres no proof of it either way. I think we just have to wait. Is it possible she was killed by them as an execution but wanted to make it look like the result of a Jordanian Air strike to get a double whammy situation there . Sure. Its pretty clear to me isis wouldnt know if it was a Jordanian Air strike or some other air strike. I think it was pure propaganda. I wouldnt trust that at all. But the fact that they announced that she was killed you know is meaningful and and we have to wait for more word. Secretary of state john kerry said on meet the press, while theres a lot more to do the coalition is making progress. This is good news i guess. Lets listen to the secretary of state. We have already seen i mean, heres whats happened. 22 of the Populated Areas thatvy held have been taken back already. And thats without launching what we would call a major offensive, thats where efforts of the iraqi army as its being retrained and standing up again. We have taken out a significant proportion of the top leadership of isis. Their command and control facilities have been attacked interrupting their command and control. They no longer can communicate the way they were as openly. They no longer travel in convoys the way they were as openly. Michael kay, assess those comments. Theyre relatively positive about the building of the antiwar, antiisis campaign by the surrounding of states including iraq, the kurds and the jordanians coming on strong. Is there reason for optimism they actually could challenge is isis and maybe begin to peel it back . Chris, the parlance thats being used there is quite conventional in terms of the way theyre measuring effect. Theyre talking about it in terms of territory and right. I heard it. 22 . Yeah. Yeah. So i think we have to be very guarded about that. Ive been involved in quite a few campaigns now where one of the biggest problems is the measurement effect across all aspects of what say, for example, military air strikes will do. When we say military air strikes, i think we need to be a bit more specific. The term that the brits and the americans are using is called dynamic targeting. And thats a synergy between using precisionguided weapons such as 500 pound gps on laser h laserguided bomb and sinener jazz that. Predators and aircraft that are listening, when they see something or hear something that requires very expeditious action, theyll call in one of these jets from the Close Air Support stack and go in and theyll strike it. But the measurement of effect is really hard to gauge. Short term its a little bit simpler. They to something called bda, bomb damage assessment. Theyll go back look at the tapes and if theyre using a precisionguided weapon to take out a convey theyll look at how much of the convoy has been deplete depleted. Longer term its much harder because longer term things like collateral come into play. Its much harder to gauge and measure collateral. What i mean by that is if for example, a school was hit or civilians were hit, because the ramifications of hitting civilians and collateral means theyll be able to recruit more. So its kind of counterproductive if youre taking out a convoy of ten isis militants and recruit 50 as a consequence of your actions. I think we need to be a little bit clefverer about the measurement of effect were using. The net effect. Michael mccaul said arab countries may have finally been galvanized to fight isis. Here he is with some optimism. I believe the air strikes have been limited, had limited success. Its a policy of containment, not a policy to degrade and destroy the enemy. I think if anything the lighting on fire of this jordanian pilot will now galvanize, i hope the arab nations to fight isis. I think that under u. S. Leadership if we could galvanize the arab nations, arabstremeistextremists, isis in syria, that would be the ideal. Most americans, including me the way we look at isis is u. S. Interest and whether any americans are getting exkutsecuted in horrific ways whatever ways they choose to execute our people after humiliating. Even if day reduce the territory by a fifth as the secretary of state said yesterday, that doesnt stop their ability to just stage these horrific executions does it . No thats a really important point. And i think clearly we are better off now than we were the day we started launching the strikes. Isis is weaker. Theyve lost people. They lost equipment. Theyve lost some territory. But its way too soon to either declare a victory or to start beating our chests. Isis is still dangerous. Theyre still a threat not just to the region and to the residents of the territory that they control, but lets not forget theyre encouraging people in our own country, in france and across the muslim world, to attack civilians where they are. Just today, they put out another very effective, very snazzy piece of social media doing just that. So theyre still a force to be reckoned with. Theyre dangerous. Lets not get ahead ourselves. Lets take a look at the video today. It features apparently a british hostage, a journalist, john cantley, featured in multiple videos from is yn is. Hes the last known western hostage of isis. Lets watch a bit of it. Hello, im john cantley. The last film in this series, heres were . In a city thats been at heart of the fighting since summer 2012. What do we make of this thing . Wa what would you call this michael kay . Tokyo rose kind of thing where the enemy is using someone or with the how do we measure it from here what role that person speaking there had and the words hes speaking . The freedom he had. Chris i think its significant, and the reason for that is one of isis critical capabilities is the ability to reach out across the world through social media and through galvanizing the western media and infect and therefore recruit. John cantly is the last in a long series of western hostages whether it be journalists or whether it be aide workers. So they will have to leverage this last man they have in order to galvanize that. Just to get it clear, hes saying words that hes being ordered to use. Hes a prisoner in every way. He is probably fearful what theyre going to do with him, so we shouldnt assume any cooperation by him beyond the formal cooperation were seeing on the tape is. No, absolutely, chris. I cant even begin to put myself in john cantlys shoes. His number one priority is waking up every morning and maintaining the making sure that he keeps alive for another day. And he will be doing everything to buy time. Now, i mean we can speculate on whether hes suffering from stockholm syndrome or just how much duress hes under, but the bottom line for john cantly is the longer is he can stay alive then the grateater the chances are of potentially some sort of rescue taking place. It works both ways. As long as hes useful in spreading that message to isis hopefully hell stay alive. As long as we keep watching the videos and they keep building up, you know hundreds if not thousands of views on youtube, thats useful to isis but the time that that stops happening, the time i fear for my life if i was john cantly. Every day he wakes up hes looking to live another 24 hours and we should not underestimate the duress that that poor man is under. Thats the great irony here. He convinces people hes really part of the isis push, he stays a live. To the extent they realize as they should that its all phony, that he doesnt want to do any more than save his life it probably doesnt suit his purposes, then they knock him off. Its a horrible situation. It is. Theyre relentlessly evil. Thank you, michael kay and andrew liepman, both f you gentlemen. Coming up, the big split in the republic caban party and the war and what to do with isis. On the other end, youve got doves like rand Paul Ted Cruz finds himself somewhere in the middle this time. Are any of them willing to honestly say based on everything we know now, the war in iraq was a smart move for this country in the first place . I think thats still a critical question theyre thinking. Plus a constitutional showdown over marriage equality. Chief Justice Roy Moore of alabama, the alabama Supreme Court, the guy with the Ten Commandments on his plate, is telling judges not to issue marriage licenses to samesex couples in alabama after a Federal District judge ruled that the states ban on gay marriage violates the u. S. Constitution. A battle of constitution and judges right now. Well look at the fallout. President obamas speech at last weeks prayer breakfast. Mike huckabee says the only Group President obama will unflinchingly support are muslim muslims, not jewish or christian people. 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Com xfinityhome. Welcome back to hardball. Roughly two dozen republicans are considering white house bids in 2016. Thats 24. But four of them currently serve in the u. S. Senate and will be involved in shaping an authorizationing for use of military force in the war against is swrn isis. Lindsey graham of south carolina, marco rubio of florida, ted cruz of texas, rand paul of kentucky staging out republican to 16 war primary. Lindsey graham says he wants more boots on the ground not only in iraq, but in syria, too. Here he is. Youre going to need boots on the ground not only in iraq, but sereyria syria. Theres got to be some Regional Force formed where an american component somewhere around 10,000, i think, american soldiers. That authorization question rubio, senator rubio told politico, we shouldnt be dictating in legislation. You can do this but you cant do that. That. You can go here but you cant go there. It should be broad enough to allow him, the president , latitude in chizing the tactics method, timing et cetera. Not just president obama future commanders in chief. Hes pretty far over. Ted cruz surprisingly here, comes down somewhere in the middle. He doesnt go as far as graham in terms of hawkishness. Doesnt say we need boots on the ground yet. But instead, arm the neighboring kurds which is a middle of the road position. Here he is. Ted cruz. I dont believe right now we need american boots on the ground and the reason is we had boots on the ground already with the kurds. We need to arm the kurds. And we need to use the peshmerga as boots on the ground. Wow. Rand paul who is skeptical generally of american involvement in foreign wars says the 2000 invasion of iraq is a mistake. Hes been called isolated by the most hawkish Lindsey Graham types. Paul introduced an official declaration of war back in december which sets an Expiration Date of one year, a sellbuy date for u. S. Involvement and warned about getting manyget getting more involved in that region of the world at paul. We need to stay the heck out of their civil war. As isis grows stronger or not quelled by sending arms to feckless allies in syria then what happens . They come back again and again. Theres already the drum beat. Theres already those in both parties who insist who insiste must have american gis on the ground. Im not sending your son, daughter, or mine over to the middle of that chaos. Samesex marriage is not the only area of policy where americans gradually change their minds as you see here. The mind of the Republican Party seems to be somewhere different than it was back, say, eight years ago. Joining us now, ron christie favored guest here. Former aide to dick cheney. And mercedes a former spokesperson for the Bush White House. Which Bush White House . The w. . 43. Too young to be the other one. Thank you. Let me ask you about this since youre both republicans. The way i see it rand paul is over here on the more isolationist position. Sure. Leave them alone, let them fight their own fights. On the usual, hawkish part of the Republican Party, establishment, old time thinking, take them on get the bad guys. Communists, whoever they are, terrorists. Dont hold back and say we cant do boots on the ground. Keep everything on the table. The other guys are in the middle. Even ted cruz. Surprisingly sheepish about saying lets go to war again. Your thoughts . Analyze it. Lets take Lindsey Graham out of the picture. He was mentioned in the political story. He has a very small likely lily hood of winning the republican primary. He can run all he wants in why is he doing it though before you jump him . Its a way of him getting the Media Coverage that he wants. Hes been the antiobama going go in. The peace through strength. He does fall into a hawkish area, but hes also trying to be a little more from the sense of just keeping it open giving the president the authority he needs he doesnt want to constrain the president. Exactly. Senator cruz, the most surprising out of the bunkch. Youd think he would jump in there. Hes basically saying i dont trust president obama, i want to make sure we dont give him the authority to it what he needs to do. Im going to let them speak for themselves. Take the field. Hawk super hawk curtis lamay hawk, all the way over to ron paul dove. I think mercedes was largely correct in her observation. Lindsay fwramey graham wants attention. Wants the limelight. Wants everyone looking at him. He wakes up every day and wants to be president. I dont see the path any more than mercedes does. Isnt he a war buddy of john mccain . Of course those two are attached at the hip. He was your partys nominee recently. Its been a long time ago. Its been a long time ago, chris. Lets look at the more serious what has changed since 08 . I think whats changed since 08, folks in the United States senator are concerned about sending americans overseas and putting them in harms way and putting them on the ground. Its a warwary nation. Yes. They dont want another war. You look at all the poll numbers. Youre talking that over 54 oppose sending troops into the middle east. In that area. And, you know, over 60 believe, yes, we need to do something against isis but definitely no troops on the ground. What is it we can do . We have the jordanians fired up which im so impressed with. Fog we came back from pearl harbor saying lets go get those guys. Remember the alamo . Its a good thing to get you fighting if youve been hit hard. So theyre ready to fight. The kurds always want to fight. They want to be kurds and defend their territory. Do you have confidence in the iraqis . This is a great republican question. Somebodys got to do the Ground Troops thats right. Somebodys got to produce Ground Troops. Thats right. I tell you who it has to be. The iraqis the saudis. The United Arab Emirates are sending over f16s. They have to deal with their region chris join look to 2016 what is the election going two about . Yes, the economy. What are re going to do with isis, iran, what are we going to do with russia . Hopefully iran has been dealt with. Im not that hopeful. Im hopeful. Ron, i cantdont think the grassroots republicans in particular are thinking about whats happening in ukraine. They are concerned about the isis situation, whats happening. I think ukraine is a long way off. By the way, ukraine has to learn its next to russia. Thats right. Its a weird situation to be in. Im not saying finlandize yourself but youre not going to take on russia and beat them. Yeah. I will tell you, things will change if theres an attack on u. S. Soil. That will change the dynamics of a president ial election. Lets not lets pray that does not happen. I think theres going to be trouble. And every execution drives me crazy. Thats exactly right. I think it we need a strategy. I will not look at the tape of what happened to that flier. I wont look at the beginning of the tape. Its too horrible. Ron christie, my friend. Mercedes. Like the car. Like the car. Stop charging so much for repairs. Thanks so much. Up next president obamas body man reggie love spent more time with the president than just about anyone besides his family. Hes with us tonight to talk about the president s sort of basic behavior. When he gets to the hotel room at night, whats mehe like . I ask him everything. This is going to be fun. This is hardball. The place for politics. At kraft we start with eggs oil, and our own crafted vinegar. All expertly blended to make our mayo. So you can take whatever youre making from good to amazing. Get inspired at kraftrecipes. Com if you suffer from a dry mouth then youll know how uncomfortable it can be. 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It was that job that made love a unique eyewitness to history and written a memoir about his experience, power forward, can what a great name. My president ial education. Taking players at duke in basketball, to the earliest days in the Obama Campaign to the kor koorcorridors in the white house. Part coming of age story and part howto manual detailing the personal and professional lessons he picked up a long the way. Im joined by reggie love former special assistant and personal aide to president obama. You asked for it. Its in the book. Im not going into weird areas here. The president , when he was traveling as a candidate, and later on as president , what did he want to find in his room at night when he got there . Probably 11 00 at night, hes exhausted. What made him happy . What did he miss if it wasnt there . Cookies and milk . A book he was reading . What did he like to have in the room when he got there . Let me tell you you not answering my question . This is hardball. That was the first question reggie. Answer that question. During the campaign youre changing the subject. During the campaign im going to break into it two. I would say, you work 18 hours in a day. The thing that you really just want is you want a bed and you want, like a bed thats made and clean. Like, very very basic. When youre president , i think it really depends, i mean, there were some nights where hed want to play cards or sit around and watch the game and have some chips or something. During the campaign, if youre working all day, you dont really youre not thinking about comfort food. Youre thinking about trying to get to sleep didnt need cookies and milk. No cookies and milk. Whabtst about espn . You had to know what channel espn was. That was kind of a must. How about breakfast . Bed . Did you like that . Down Downton Abbey . He lined to work zblut. Kennedy, his guy would open up the curtains, get the sun in nixon has been out there way ahead. Hes done three stops already. Did you have to say, its a big day, get out there. There were some times where youd have to say romney or clinton, theyve called 20 people already today. Theyre on their second or third stop. There you are walking with him. Great picture. If there were ever a moment in which he felt like maybe the thing that he was about to do wasnt really worth the time you could definitely nudge him along a bit with a little bit of with what was his whats our first step today, reggie . Where are we going first . Why do we have to get up this early . Thats not the first question. Thats the question the night before. Okay. And then you ask the question again during the day, what do we got again . Just in case anything may have changed. Bullet but, you know, what cities are we in . Where am i . Did he say, where am i . Sometimes. And, you know i would always try to mix it up a bit and, you know, heres whats going to be really fun today. Good for you. I like producers that do that for me. Right. Did he would you say his e equilibrium im not like this. I want to describe some people i know. Theyre the same person every day. There are people who have highs and lows. Wrong side of the bed is the phrase. Out of the wrong side of the bed. How would you describe him in that way, president obama . I think that i think hes pretty even keel. I think there are definitely days. You probably have some yourself, chris. Youre tired. I would say things are working, like some days things seem to be working, some days they dont seem to be working. Whether i go through this door to my workroom or this i argue about things. Superstition. Right side of the car to get my paper or not to go to that side. I have all these moral issues with me. By the way, this book, why should you buy this book . Whats going to tell people, like, your age. Its a trainer book in a way about life. Tell me about why they should buy this book. I love this stuff. If you read the book, a lot of people when i initially wrote the book i was kind of thinking of what it was like for me when i was midteens, late 20s, midteens, early 20s, trying to figure out what am i going to do why am i going to do it . I came to when i got to duke university, there was no sort of manual about how are you going to be a College Athlete . You couldnt get into unc, right . You know was that your problem . They said i could only play one sport. It wasnt football or basketball. Unc . Unc. Congratulations on the book. This is fun. This is the kind of stuff i call food for junkies. This is good stuff. Power forward, a great name a great title. My president ial education. Now we know what its like to be there. To be there in the room. Its a blessing to have had the opportunity. And i appreciate it has he read it . He has read it actually. He said it was an easy read and thought he said he thought it was kind. Did you test him, make sure he read it . I didnt test him. 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There are only about a third of these judges are actually issuing the marriage licenses after the state Supreme Court justice said they have to obey the alabama constitution. Now, hes certainly right. They to. They also have to obey the federal constitution. And a couple of weeks ago, a federal judge says under the u. S. Constitution the state cannot ban samesex marriages. Already lawyers for samesex couples tried to hold get the federal court to hold those judges in contempt of court. The court said no but did indicate that its these judges who refuse to issue these licenses can now be sued. Okay. So if youre ted olson right now or ted boutros, are you pretty happy the direction this seems to be pointing where the courts headed this summer . Yes. And for two reasons. First, the Supreme Court today declined the state of alabamas request to put a hold on that ruling until the Supreme Court decides this samesex marriage question for the entire country which it will hear in april and decide by june. So youve got to assume that if the Supreme Court said, no, were not going to put a stay on alabama, why youd ask yourself if the Supreme Court is going to go ahead and approve samesex marriage why would it stop it in alabama now . Thats something one. Thing two, listen to what thomas and scalia said today in their dissent. They said the court seems to be tipping its hand, it seemed to be foreshadowing this decision. Yes, for those two reasons. Thanks, as always great. Pete williams, you made it clear. Im joined by the roundtable. Jim of slate. Emily of national journal. And expert on everything, howard fineman, great guy on this show. Thank you for everything, msnbc expertise. This is fascinating. It could be history could be made this summer. This seems to be a leading indicator that the courts are going to go with the right to yes. I think that politically, culturally and pretty soon legally, constitutionally, this is going to be settled. I think its clear. There are 37 states now including alabama that allow samesex marriage. As Clarence Thomas said, not happily, it looks like this is where the courts headed. I think the Republican Party, i think most conservatives, i think most people in the country have accepted that this has happened. I agree. Its all too easy to make the compare comparison to alabama now to alabama of the time of selma. You have some counties in alabama. There are 67 counties. Maybe 2 3 of them are going to resist. Its going to be massive resistance. Like in virginia. To the end. Yeah. Then when the stream court speaks for the whole country which theyre going to do by june, i think it will all be over. It will all be over. Settled politically. Howard and i have gone through this. Nobody ever thought this was going to happen in the country, that the courts would rule this way. The laws ss of political physics are, theres always a reaction. I expect the Republican Party that always does this grabs the reaction. Dont like civil rights, womens rights, they go for the people who were disaffected by that. Is huckabee going to jump on this baby and say we have to get serious here . This is going to be a really divisive item in the republican primary. Youll have your jeb bushes an marxco co marco rubios and Chris Christies saying this is a settled issue, lets move on. Your Mike Huckabees, bobby jindals, scott walkers will say, no we represent millions of americans who dont want this is that a good general Election Strategy or only a good primary strategy . I dont know if its a good general Election Strategy but a good primary strategy. Your view of this thing . Emily. We saw kind of an early indicator of this when it was announced that the Supreme Court was going to take this issue on in the first place. You saw some republican candidates either saying something noncommittal choosing not to talk about it, choosing not to bring it up then you saw others who really immediately came out against it and so that seems to be where the battle lines are going to be going forward. Interesting, all the years growing up, people on the right, center right would have a problem with the Supreme Court making 54 decisions. Its too arbitrary. Yet the public i dont hear it yet. Im sure huckabee will try to stir it up. The people didnt vote for samesex marriage. The polls sew theyre for ss show theyre for it, right . They dont say, change the whole notion of marriage to include samesex. They seem to be open to it in all the polling. What passes for the accomplishment of the Republican Party has said enough, were going to accept this. As a matter of fact the federal judge who ruled in favor of samesex marriage is a george w. Bush appointee. Her family is from virginia from the sort of ruling class of the Republican Party in the south. Borbunds. Excuse me . Borbunds. He represents the rural counties. He was a military Police Officer in vietnam. They called him captain america. The vietnamese, the american soldiers did. So its a culture clash. But i think to the extent that the Republican Party is dragged against the mainstream here in the iowa caucuses, which is whats going to happen by the huckabees of the world, its going to not only divide the Republican Party, its going to have the Republican Party fighting a culture war that theyve lost. They have to understand that theyve lost this. You talk to any shrewd republican strategist and theyll tell you, you got to get past this. Emily, it seems to me you get down to its not a political issue whether youre gay or not. You dont decide based on party line what you are. We have cases of transgender stuff going on now, it was always closeted before. You have to people who are conservatives who have senator portman, people like that have gay people in the family. You have people like dick cheney. Its a reality in our being. You know im sort of a nature may be a part of both. Its just amazing how its just gone into the families of the country politically left and right and challenged them to think again. Right. Thats something, like you say is when people have personal experience with this sometimes that changes their minds even if they had a strongly held opinion before and senator portman is a prime example of that. As gay marriage becomes more accepted in all these states this is something thats a reality for a majority of americans. How does last question to you. How does the Republican Party stick to its platform . And ride a plats form plank its old time to talk about platforms. You say youre going to fight them. To say were for traditional marriage, blah blah blah the sanctity and the wordage says were against same sex. How do they run on that . Im not sure they do. They have to pretend its not fair. Will they get rid of it . Will they strike it . I think they might put Something Like we think this should be decided by the states, not the federal government. These are decisions for communities. I see. Then they kind of so they go to a safe position. Yeah. Doesnt seem to threaten anybody. In other words, were not going to do anything. Anyway, the roundtable is staying with us. Up next Mike Huckabee takes his turn driving the right wing clown car. He says president obamas against christians and jews did you notice . And only supports muslims. Would he say that about a white guy . Thats my question. This is hardball. The place for politics. At do i do . You need to catch the 4 10 huh . The Equipment Tracking system will get you to the loading dock. There should be a truck leaving now. I got it. 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Everything he does is against what christians stand for, and he is against the jews in israel. The one group of people that can know they have his undieing support is the Muslim Community. It doesnt matter if it is the radical Muslim Community or nonradical Muslim Community. He would not say that about a white guy. Theyre still playing this obama is a muslim number and theyre shameless, your thoughts . I dont know what else does he mean . Im not sure that huckabee is saying obama is a muslim theyre saying he is a muslim lover. That has a familiar ring to it. Howard we would talk about dog whistle politics. This is like fog horn politics. It could not be more blunt. Donald trump must love it when he hears it. It could not be more blunt or irresponsible. But again, he is running for 18 of the vote in the iowa caucuses. That is all thats on his mind right now. Hell worry about the rest of it later. That is what he is going whatever vote there is in iowa in the republican congresss, thats what he is going for as well. George w. Was great on saying this is not a religious war, its not a terrorist war, its an eastwest war. And i think he was really good on that just the same way obama is. You have to take the position when you have a portion of your country that is muslim. You have to look out for who they are and respect them. What does huckabee he is not after a muslim vote. He doesnt want muslim support and he doesnt want to give them respect. When you talk to activists in iowa about why they like huckabee a lot of is t is he talks about their issues but he seems like a nice guy. Isnt that term for that smarmy . What he is doing now is not being the nice guy. Another republican i do respect, in 2008 in his race against president obama, john mccain showed some class when a audience member wrongly criticized the president. I cant trust obama. I have read about him and he is he is an arab. He is not no in. No, maam. He is a decent familyman. A citizen, that i just happen to have disagreements with on fundamental issues and thats what this campaign is all about. He is not. Thank you. That is a godly moment. An american moment. I think it was great. I think it was great. In the interest and he was fighting from behind at that point. He was behind and he was conducting an act of statesmanship there knowing where the race was headed as well that is true. Thank you for coming on. When we returning with let me finish with my response to judge silvermans piece about how we went to iraq. Go, go, go. Woah go right, go left, go left stop now go. shouting lets go i gotta go can i go . Yup you can go. beeping alert woah there you go way to go lets go buddy, lets go anncr the ford fusion. We go further, so you can. Your moms got your back. Your friends have your back. Your dogs definitely got your back. 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Get inspired at kraftrecipes. Com let me finish tonight with this. Tonights wall street journal has an article that needs to be withdrawal immediately. It says that George W Bush lied us into the war. I should open with a lawn from lawrence of arabia. Me convinced independence even though not completely believing it. A lie that tells lies like me merely tells the truth, but a man who tells half lies as forgotten where he put it, the truth, that is. Go listen to cheney back then or condoleezza rice. But they didnt have the evidence that iraq had Nuclear Weapons and they knew it so what did they do . They kept saying again and again that iraq had weapons in mass destruction. They got the American People to buy their war. They never said we should fight a war because they had chemical or biological weapons. Judge silverman, what got us into the war was a lie, it was a slicker job than that. It was a half lie selling us into a war that america regrets more than anything in modern history. Thats hardball for now. All in with chris hayes starts right now. Tonight on all in. We have a practice of not meeting with leaders right before their elections. High stakes Political Drama at the white house as the president tries to save a nuclear deal with iraqn in the face of obstruction it does not make sense to sour the negotiations a mont or two before theyre about to be completed. Tonight, the growing movement to delay Benjamin Netanyahus speech to congress. A constitutional crisis from alabama. And the plaintiff behind a Supreme Court case that could destroy obama