Couples. A Vatican Panel of bishops says its time to salute the moral value of both. Yes, the walls of jericho are quaking me. Michael steele, who was on the way to becoming a priest, and Washington Post opinion Writer Jonathan capehart. Its the recognition of the value of samesex relationships, whether in law, polling, or word of mouth. Now the Catholic Church has joined in. A panel of bishops wrote, without denying the moral problems connected to homosexual unis it has to be noted there are cases in which mutual aid to the point of sacrifice constitutes a precious support in the life of partners. When you talk about this, this recognition of goodness in gays, thats what it is. Its breathtaking. Im used to a Catholic Church and a papacy that talks about gays and lesbians with all sorts of negative language, negative tone, sneering tone, unwelcoming. And ever since pope francis ascended to the papacy, theres been a shift, a tone. He talks about us as if we are fullfledged, you know, children of god, people who deserve respect and dignity. He did that in an interview a year ago with america magazine, and you take these the interview that he did on the plane, coming back from a trip where he said, you know, who am i to judge . Thats what set this off in the america magazine interview, which is just a man talking. With the sin id going on and with this draft coming out from this twoweek meeting so far, were seeing it move from rhetoric, to not policy, because i dont expect the Catholic Church to change 2,000 years of belief in teaching, but a document that talks about, that recognizes gay relationships what do you mean . Youre gay, what did it mean to you . It meant that an institution that means a lot to billions of people around the world, recognizes me as and values me as a fullfledged child of god. Im not catholic. I am christian. I was raised christian. But to see an institution, thats spend centuries denigrating people like me, to see it turn, at least in tone, with this one man, pope francis, is pretty remarkable. It seems to me what theyve dp, the popes leadership and the bishops following it, is to shift from a focus on sexual behavior if you will, or attraction, or identity even, to commonality. Not even commonality, but personhood. And thats the real focus of this document. And its underpinnings are anchored in the individual, the person, and the family. And how the person is as much as a part of the family as the family is as a whole. The focus in the past has been about the collective of the family. But here the pope and the bishops, theyre looking at the individuals and how they make the family. And i think that is a profound mark away from where the church has been in these types of conflicts. These are signs of change in our culture. Ive said we all have said this. The biggest cultural change in our generations, we have a little span here, but is this recognition of the humanity of gay people . Right. It wasnt like this. There was gay jokes 20 years ago that were assemble. New york Cardinal Timothy dolan who is no liberal, but years of resistance, who just last month supported gay groups marching as such, under their own banner in the parade. The headline was gay groups in st. Pattys day parade, all right with cardinal dolan. Hes such a regular guy. Its almost like the mayor of new york has said it, but we know that. But the cardinal of new york, its a big deal. And it was a precursor of what were seeing played out now at the senate. Put it in context. You touched on it. Doctrinally, nothing changes, but the way we look to integrate divorced catholics, gay and lesbian couples and individuals into the doctrine of the church, into the face of the church is profoundly important and thats what this pope wants more than anything else. Not only with the gay element, which is enormous, but a lot of people got stuck with the wrong partner in straight marriage. Gay marriage too. That will be discovered. I mean hatred relationships, horror relationships. I knew a couple women who married guys, they were beautiful courtships, within months, they were beating them up. So they had to escape that. Nobody can believe thats a blessed marriage. Then they find out and the church is saying, good for you. Youre a good person. Youre going to be okay. Were not going to exclude you because you got into the wrong thing. A really good marriage is a wonderful thing. Its not always the norm. I mean, this gets back to what michael was just saying about how it seems as though the church is looking at the individual, that this person has something. This person who was in the church who feels alienated from the church for one reason or another, not welcome because theyre gay, not welcome because theyre divorced, or they have a child out of marriage, not welcome fill in the blank. Now you have a church and a pope who is saying, we with have millions of catholics out there who no longer feel like theyre catholic, no longer feel welcome in the church because of something that is inherently part of who they are, or because they got themselves in a situation where they had to escape, as you said. We go to church and i never heard a priest say, goaway if youre guy. They dont say go away if youre divorced. But in effect, its just nice to make it official and have the pope come out and say, youre welcome. Youre part of us. Thats a big deal. The emphasis of the document that they released, pushes down to the parish. It recognizes that, how do we begin to help those divorced catholics be whole within the catholic faith . Its for the parish to embrace them and put in place the structure a very conservative father can be very tough. Remember the movie doubt . The mothers afraid to tell the husband because hes kill the kid if he said he was gay. Anyway, that will change. We didnt even get to the Republican Party and your platform, but well get there. [ all speak at once ] i think there are lessons for Political Parties in what this pope is doing, in recognizing that this is not about a party structure. Leave those matters to the church and the community and the individuals to work out. You stick to your politics, and i think theyll be better off for it. I think they got enough to handle with abortion exactly. Always Something Worthy of moral debate. Great to have you on. Your openness about this is wonderful. Great were talking about this. 10, 20 years ago, this wasnt something you chatted about. You think i wanted to chat about it 20 years ago . [ laughter ] no. I dont know where do go with that one. 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Welcome back to hardball. Three weeks to go until election day. Things are getting nasty. Last night candidates went for the chin in the only Kentucky Senate debate. As expected, the big question there was the one Alison Lundergan grimes refused to answer. And in texas, wendy davis has gone nuclear. Digging in after a flood of negative press about a grisly ad she ran which highlights her opponent being in a wheelchair. And jim carol is the Washington Bureau chief. Lets start with the big headline in kentucky where Alison Lundergan grimes is on her own because today the news broke that the campaign arm for democrats in the senate has pulled out in order to focus on other races. But first the drama from last night. Leading up to the debate, the Mcconnell Campaign released this ad on tv for dodging a question about who she voted for in the last president ial election. Alison Lundergan Grimes refusal to say who she voted for for president is now the nonanswer heard round the country. Did you vote for president obama in 2008 and 2012 . You know, this election she refused to answer. Dodging whether she voted for president obama. And kentuckians expect her to cast a tough vote on anything . Is she ever going to answer a tough question on anything . Are you not going to answer . Im Mitch Mcconnell and i approved this message. I think she disqualified herself, i really do. Well, heres now grimes responded somewhat in last nights debate. Why are you reluctant to give an answer on whether or not you voted for president obama . Bill, theres no reluctance. This is a matter of principle. Our constitution grants here in kentucky the constitutional right for privacy at the ballot box, for a secret ballot. You have that right, senator mcconnell has that right. Every kentuckian has that right. And as the chief election official, im tasked with overseeing and making sure that were enforcing all of our lekz laws. So you wont answer that question dont . Again, you have that right. Senator mcconnell has that right. Every kentuckian has the right for privacy at the ballot box. If we dont stand up for that right, who in kentucky will . I dont think theres ever been a debate over the right to keep secret how you vote. Its the question, why would you do that . If youre asking people to vote for you. Wont she have to say when she pushes people to vote for hillary, that shes going to vote for hillary . Whats this weird secrecy about . I dont get it. She was clear she voted for hillary, and that wasnt private. So why is this one . Why is it so hard to say, i voted for the democrat because im a democrat. They stand for the middle class, raise the minimum wage. To me, it ties into another problem that shes had, the deep reluctance to talk about the benefits of obamacare in kentucky. Which last night she was willing to do a little. Keyed up. Yeah. And she could have hit mcconnell hard and said, wait a minute, we have kentucky, we have obamacare here and its working. Why didnt she jump in . I dont know why she didnt jump in. Mcconnell tried to separate the two and say that obamacare was something different. Tear it out root and branch, but leave connect which is the Obamacare Program in kentucky and he said sure thats fine, its just a website. He stumbled when answering questions about his own vow to repeal obamacare root and branch. Obamacare which is called kentucky connect in the state has been a big success and heres mcconnell. Has obamacare and connect been a boon or bane for the majority of kentuckians, senator . Kentucky connect is a website. It was paid for by 200 someodd Million Dollar grant from the federal government. The website can continue. But in my view, the best interest of the country would be achieved by pulling out obamacare root and branch, and let me tell you why. You would support the continuation of its a state decision. You would support it . I think its fine to have a website, yeah. I think thats what you call in objective terms, bs. Anyway, obamacare is kentucky connect. Steve bashir made that ont point on our own show. Take a look at the governor. Is obamacare, as implemented in the state of kentucky, basically called connect, ky for kentucky. In other words, you cant get rid of one, without getting rid of the other. They are one and the same. Thats exactly right. You get rid of the Affordable Care act and Everything Else falls apart. Jim, why is he doing this . Going after alison, lets be fair. Why is mitch hiding from the obvious truth here . One word, its obama. He wants everything tide to Alison Grimes as closely as possible. Thats the same reason she didnt answer who she voted for. Do you think she voted for obama . We dont know. It opens a can of worms. Is she one of those people who wouldnt vote for him because hillary lost . Her first answer, which i find fascinati fascinating, when he was asked, she said, im a clinton democrat. How did that come up . It wasnt the question put to her. We talk about dog whistle politics, this is a case where shes signaling to the democrats in kentucky we got to talk texas. In texas, wendy davis is standing by an ad that she put on the air that generated a frenzy of criticism. A tree fell on greg abbott, he sued and got millions. Since then, he spent his career working against other victims. Abbott argued a woman whose leg was amputated was not disabled because she had an artificial limb. He ruled against a rape victim who sued a corporation for failing to do a background check on a sexual predator. He sided with a hospital who failed to stop a dangerous surgeon who paralyzed patients. Greg abbott, hes not for you. Last night he responded to the ad. Lets watch that. If she wants to attack a guy in a wheelchair, thats her prerogative. For me, im running a different type of campaign. It shows that her campaign is focused on one thing, and that is attacking me and addressing me. What texans really want, they want a governor who has a vision for their fellow texans and for a brighter future. What do you make of that . I mean roosevelt was in a wheelchair. And even as dirty as politics can be, i dont think republicans were stupid enough to attack roosevelt for being in a wheelchair . Image wise, it doesnt click with me. No, it must be said, though tell me the point. Theres an hypocrisy argument here that in texas its very hard for regular people to sue companies where are the trial lawyers putting their money . With the democrats. But in texas, its become more difficult than anywhere else in the country. Are there caps . There are caps. So its tort reform. But it was not there when he got but its a popular position, tort reform, it sounds good. Is it or not . When you tell people its harder to get a settlement than it was for him when he got his, its a touchy place to go. Shes not going to win the election with this thing. Thats what the polls show. I think this is like the picking the daisy ad it will be shown in Campaign Schools for decades. Shes a young woman, obviously, a beginner in politics. Alison grimes has great potential. What i like about her is her presentation, the way that shes strong, she physically confronts and she comes off as sort of a joan of arc figure if you will. But a strong figure. Which is one of the things that i have thought, made me think she had a shot against mitch mccom. She really talks with vim and vigor. Like you and me. Exactly. Which is why i wondered why she wasnt cut loose by the campaign. Maybe shes too controlled. Maybe somebody said dont tell the people who you voted for. When do you know to cut loose . She could have cut loose on obamacare. Saying why is mitch not being honest about this law. You know the trouble getting an interview with her . This limited media access would be the kind way to put it. She knows what she wants to talk about, but doesnt have a tremendous amount of experience. Is that fair . Thats fair. She has her talking points. She thinks if she sticks with them, she has a reasonable chance. And lets face it, this race is very close. And it shouldnt be. This state romney carried easily. But its Mitch Mcconnell. You wrote a book about it. Is she the opposite of joe biden . Isnt that an interesting joe biden makes mistakes, because hes the scrambler. Shes a quarterback in the pocket. Doesnt take crazy runs with the ball. Biden is always running with the ball. Remember his line that got great laughs, have drink with mcconnell . Really, you have drinks with mcconnell and everybody laughed. Everybody wants to have drinks with biden because who knows whats going to happen. Great debate, i think she was really strong. I dont get the secrecy about who you voted for. Anyway, thank you both. Up next, south dakota, and the independent Senate Candidate who actually im rooting for, who has turned what was once a sure thing for republicans into the surprise of the year. This is hardball, a place for politics. 24 7 its just im a little reluctant to try new things. Whats wrong with trying new things . Feel that in your muscles . Yeah. I do. Try a new way to bank, where no branches equals great rates. Dad,thank you mom for said this oftprotecting my future. You. Thank you for being my hero and my dad. Military families are uniquely thankful for many things, the legacy of usaa Auto Insurance could be one of them. If youre a current or former military member or their family, get an Auto Insurance quote and see why 92 of our members plan to stay for life. Dad hes our broker. He helps looks after all our money. Kid do you pay him . Dad of course. Kid how much . Dad i dont know exactly. Kid what if youre not happy . Does he have to pay you back . Dad nope. Kid why not . 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The New York Times writes, the democrats are racing to pour money into this sparsely populated state where the midwest converge and prairie populism meets rural conservativism. He served for three terms and is now running for his old job as an independent and she joins me now. Senator press ler, this is an amazing decision you made at the age of 72. You give us all hope in the fact that youre running and youre not getting a lot of money and yet you are neck and neck with the two moneyed candidates. How do you explain it . Well, yes, this is somewhat audacious, but i decided that i didnt like some of the directions our country was going in. I decided to get off my behind and offer my seniority. I can take my seniority back to the senate and it looks as though we may have an independent coming from kansas, myself and two independents there. I think its the start of a something very significant. I sense it every day when im out campaigning. People want something different. They want an independent, a moderate. And so i think we may make some history here in south dakota. But even if i dont win, i think i have contributed issues to the campaign and the journey may well be as important as the destination. Even if i should be elected, im promising to serve only one sixyear term because i dont want to have to raise any more money. Most United States senators spend 52 of their time raising money. I can spend 100 of my time being a senator and i could speak for south dakota as well as the nation and i look forward to doing that if the people want me to. Let me ask you about the senate you left in 96. It was somewhat dysfunctional, but seemed to work. Now people believe in the senate and the house dont work. How can you change it back to where it was . Well, you have written very eloquently about the friendship between tip oneil and Ronald Reagan and between kennedy and barry gold water. People can be friends and have opposite views. Im a friend of obama and also mitt romney. I gave a fundraiser for mitt romney and contributed to his campaign. People reach conclusions, but im a moderate, i want to end the poisonous disputes between republicans and democrats and i want to get back to the time where we can be friends in the United States senate and get some things done. We havent done anything on the budget. The senate hasnt passed a budget in years. I know. Im with you on that, senator. I am totally with you. The failure, the delinquency of that body to do what its told to do by its own budget act, it doesnt even do a budget. How can you keep to a budget if you dont even have one . And they dont. Do you want the voters to know who youre going to caucus with if its a close vote between republican and democratic control of the senate . Do you want the voters to know how youre going to vote, or dont you want them to know . Senator, angus king has counselled me and he does not necessarily support me, hes counselled me to wait until i get there. The decision what i will make will be based on where i can get the most roll call votes on issues that are important to me. Thats tax reform, helping our senior citizens, helping my state, but also helping our nation balance the budget. And contrary to calculating this or that, it will be which caucus where i think i can get the most done and what commitments we have to actually casting some basic roll call votes. Theyre all roll call votes, but some basic, not tabling, or not you trust the leaders to keep a deal . Whoever it is, harry reid or Mitch Mcconnell. You trust them to give you those four votes up or down, if thats the deal up front . You trust them to hold it . Well, it would be talking to more than them. Youd have to talk to several members of the caucus on each side. Now its possible there will be an independent caucus. If we have four independent United States senators. There are two there now, maybe one from kansas and me, we could have a caucus of our own. And work with both sides. You know, the two independent senators who are there now have been very effective. You may disagree with bernie sanders, but he got the veterans bill passed in record time. And also i think angus king has been a very effective and powerful senator. I want to be a powerful senator for south dakota. We need a powerful senator to stand up to the Burlington Northern railroad. We need a powerful senator to get better air service into sioux falls. Our native American Reservations are an embarrassment. Im embarrassed and ashamed of that pine ridge is in the condition that its in. Ive been endorsed by the native american newspapers all across south dakota. We have a situation here in our state where we have a racist situation to some extent, and i want to work on that in my last productive years. I i hope i may have quite a few left. Thank you. By the way, youre sitting in front of one of my favorite things in this entire country, thats mount rushmore. I sat for hours and looked at that amazing thing. Good luck in your race. Thank you. Up next, in the round table, the vaticans big shift. What a surprise. And the debates held last night between Alison Grimes and Mitch Mcconnell and why some republicans cant quit mitt romney. Hes back. Youre watching hardball, the place for politics. I got this. [thinking] is it that time . The son picks up the check . [thinking] im still working. Hes retired. I hope hes saving. I hope he saved enough. Who matters most to you says the most about you. At massmutual were owned by our policyowners, and they matter most to us. Whether youre just starting your 401 k or you are ready for retirement, well help you get there. Want to change the world . Create things that help people. Design safer cars. Faster computers. Smarter grids and smarter phones. 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Over 5100 daily flights to nearly 60 countries. Namaste. Plus, over 230 us cities. Dessert . Peecan pie. Pecan . Yeah. Okay. In any language, thats. Gateway to the world friendly. Heres whats happening this hour. Controversial texas voter i. D. Law back in effect after being reinstated by a federal appeals court. The Justice Department has criticized measures and others like it. Nina pham, the texas nurse suffering from ebola is said to be in good condition. Shes expressed thanks for the kind wishes shes received so far. And 100 more u. S. Troops have arrived in liberia. Thousands are set to be deployed to fight the Ebola Outbreak in western africa. Now back to hardball. Welcome back to hardball. Mitt romney in 2016, is the Republican Party ready to run him again . Tackle that in a moment. But first the vatican wants to change the tone about gays and samesex couples. The working class republican conservative, senior strategist. He was with Rick Santorums campaign in 2012. And a writer from the Washington Post. I got to start with the catholic in the group. Are you impressed, i am, with the pope and opening the doors for gay people and also people where the first marriage may have been a disaster and theyre married to someone else, much different than it was when i was growing up. This is not of course the final word from the pope or from the sin yod, but its a huge change in town, welcome by i think almost everybody. Even people who may disagree, feel were welcoming people in, that this is such a departure from a time when people really did feel that the door had been closed. But the biggest change, i think, in this sin yod is that the cardinals, the bishops are able to speak. They know they have a friend. Theyre able to speak openly. Theyve been encouraged to just go with the discussion after so many years when we were told certain topics are off the table. Amy, youre not catholic, but what do you think of all this . Does it mean anything to you . I think it means something when you have a cultural shift like weve had in this country. Youre seeing that the courts have weighed in. Youre seeing that voters are weighing in. And the public weighing in on how it feels about the issues of samesex marriage and making such a move so quickly. On all three of those fronts and then to see a major denomination like this also, again, its not changing policy, but it is changing a tone. Its somewhat dramatic. It is. In a short matter of time. The court, the church and Public Opinion all moving in the same direction. Because people are. I have 16 years of catholic education, so i have a little bit of relevance. But the point was, if this was a policy department and a communications department, this is going out through the communications department. Here is now were going to treat this. And it is a change and its the right one. I think most catholics are going to say its the right one. But the key, what the pope is really saying, is lets not concentrate on what we disagree with. Lets concentrate on the virt yuz that a lot of gay couples bring to the table. If youre a kid with gay parents, this changes your happiness level. You want to hear the pope say, hes okay. We may disagree, but hes one of us. Some of it is that the message that even his predecessors were sending that we dont reject these people, that we want these people in the church, is getting through now in a different way. Lets go to a strong suit, politics. [ laughter ] mitt romney, my hunch is, he ceases to be attractive. Like a mother saying to her daughter, dont make yourself too available. As long as his wife says hes not available, hes attractive. The minute he says im a candidate for president , hes got problems. Yeah, i completely agree. Theres a vacuum right now. Theres no frontrunner on the republican side. Republicans see a president thats struggling with policies, they think the country is falling apart with here of the mitt romney. But if there were a stronger frontrunner on the republican side, you wouldnt see this the box he wants to fill is center. Theres no moderates left. Christies got it, were still waiting for the prosecutor to do something we dont know what hes going to do. And jeb is hamlet right now. You keep getting signals he doesnt seem to be. I dont think mitt romney is going to run. But i will eat my lunch if he runs. Set it up. Jeb doesnt run. Christie gets indicted. Who uruns . Mitt will run. Thats what im saying. Thats a huge jump. Start with jeb not running. Wait a minute. The Republican Party in thought process of this president ial is divided in two ways. The moderates say, we got to move to the center, get more hispanic votes, and women votes. The lessons of 2012. And then the other message, well compromise and get the by whos like mccain and romney who maybe fit our party but not always, so theres a big splitup, do we go back and say, what does our party stand for is that mitt romney lost hispanics [ all speak at once ] over the weekend, while smaneing for joanie eni ernst i, romney told this joke. The fact that its a joke is pretty amazing. Lets watch. When youre running for office, people tell you you shouldnt tell jokes. But im not running for office so i can tell you. A Family Member said [ inaudible ] the teller said you got to prove who you are. He said how should i do that . She said the other day Phil Mickelson doesnt have his i. D. , but he set up a putt, and he made and we cashed his check. And andre agassi came in without his i. D. , and he hit a target on the wall with a tennis racket so we cashed his check. They said, there anything you can do to prove who you are . And he said i dont have a clue. [ laughter and applause ] you must be the president , do you want your money in small bills or large bills . I think that was an eisenhower joke going way back. Hes got his humor back. This is the perfect role for him. I dont say this sarcastically. Being toast master some days, but other days more thoughtful he gets primetime at the convention. Its so far away. Are you going to put cheney on the platform . I know its not going to be clint eastwood. I can tell you that for sure. Maybe the chair. Hes not running, though. He wouldnt have made that joke if he was running. I think you have some consultants who would lost for him to run, some other people who dont have a dog in the fight. They would love to have romney. Im going to make my prediction, and its all on tape. If jeb doesnt run, he runs. I dont believe it. You dont have to. Ill just be right and you can be wrong. Anyway, what does ann romney think about it . Done, completely, not only mitt and i are done, but the kids are done, done, done. Asked if there were any circumstances in which she would support him if he wanted to run, she said she hadnt been pushed to that point mentally, but that they would make the decision together. There we are, shes ready to make the decision. Well, she has also said that right after the election, six months or so after the election, she said, if it were held today, mitt would run. Ive said this before, Hillary Clinton is going to own the center left and probably in the end, get the nomination, the left. Shell move to the center, shell do well in the center. For your party to beat her, they have to contest the center. They cant just hold the right and have a base election. You need to grab the center. That means a lot of suburban women who are on essential issues moderate or if not liberal. How do you beat her with a rand paul, or rick santorum, or ted cruz . You need to have someone who can grab the center. Republican primary voters dont say, what do we have to do to beat Hillary Clinton . Why not . They dont want to beat her . Rick santorum won 11 out of 30 states with almost no money. My point is, it wasnt theyre sitting there and saying so youre saying the party is rational . Im not saying that. Irrational . Theyre stronger on the core convictions of the party itself the winnability argument [ all speak at once ] somebodys going to win, somebody will lose. Hillary has 55 of the vote. We have to get back to the major problem with mitt romney. Why would he be a better candidate . He lost on some of the bigger issues, demographics, which are still an issue, and can he relate to average people on the economy. And thats not going to change either. So i dont know why he would be a stronger candidate than a name out of the hot herat here. I think people like people more after theyve been beat up a little bit. 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Number two, they said its been flat since 2003 or 5 or whatever, they do understand that a democrat has been in the white house, theres been a democratcontrolled sth eled se ef even a democratcontrolled house. They tried against joanie ernst. Shes going to privatize social security. Darn it, that didnt work. Saying obama wasnt strong enough, thats why we have an ebola case in this country. He deserves a lot of criticism in a lot of areas. When you have a crisis like this in a country like ours, the one thing weve always done is pull together. People understand theres some things you do not politicize. Houw about the refusal to allow the sitting of a Surgeon General. Im not getting that out. Youre in it right now. Why dont republicans allow there to be a Surgeon General . How many votes you think that thing will have . I think we need leaders. And i think we need a Surgeon General. Youre asking me about playing that particular ad. And its ridiculous. The horse is already out of the barn. Right now, they want to cap the horse. And the horse being how this disease was created or there is not enough money at the cdc to do more about it. Its coming into this country and they do not feel confident that theres Government Agencies helping to stop it from coming into the country. So the republican public, 66 , say dont let those people come over here. Theres a lot of fear about this issue, as you say, in the polling. Fear works in ads. The only surprise is that it took them this long. I mean, this is going to be news. Would you do that if you were assigned there right now . Yes, i would. Id be happy to go. I would. My daughter wanted to go for christmas. To liberia . She wanted to go work in ghana over christmas. No. But i think that this is not a bad ad except for the end, you know. To use the issue, i think is valid. But the dead bodies and cuts kill, thiss too far. Well, lets face it. If you notice, they put this out against a lot of different candidat candidates, but they say its only going to run in a small number of states. That tells me they dont have a lot of money and theyre doing this for the shock factor so that were sitting here talking about it. The republicans are going to say are they going to challenge with legislation . No. No. Theyre not going to do it, right . I dont think so. If this president said this is an emergency, were bringing everybody together, and i dont see that happening. I think thats a bold step. Thank you, amy, and thank you, chuck and thank you melinda. Well be right back after this. Well be right back after this. So go to legalzo today for personalized, affordable legal protection. But when we start worrying about tomorrow, we miss out on what matters today. At axa, we offer advice and help you break down your retirement goals into small, manageable steps. Because when you plan for tomorrow, it helps you live for today. 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