Things and we love them for it. Thanks for watching. Im al sharpton. Have a great weekend. Hardball starts right now. Bad call, this is hardball. Good evening, this is Chris Matthews in washington. Let me start tonight with this plague of violence in the nfl. And the deepening scandal involving its commissioner, tmz reporting late today that one of the leagues biggest star, Minnesota Vikings running back Adrian Peterson has been indicted for child abuse. It comes on the heels of this bombshell report on nfl commissioner Roger Goodell. According to espn, Baltimore Ravens running back ray rice told goodell he had hit janay rice then his fiancee in the face inside a revell casino
hotel elevator in atlantic city, new jersey and knocked her unconscious. That happened back in june before a month before goodell suspended him for two games. Nbc news latest report something consistent with espns. Goodell is under tremendous pressure right now about why he waited until this week when tmz sports published that video to suspend him indefinitely. According to goodell its because the information they had at the time of the suspension was too vague. Heres goodell. When we make a decision we want to have all the information thats available and obviously that was when we met with ray rice and his representatives, it was ambiguous about what actually happened. In a letter obtained by espn goodell states that rices version of events in that meeting were, quote, starkly different, closed quote than what we saw in that tape. Well, the question is does it matter . Can he survive the heat now. Sports reporter with the Associated Press reporting all this stuff and buzz is a Pulitzer Prize winning author out on the story in oregon tonight. Buzz, i always want to hear what you have to say about the context. How do you look at this whole thing. I want your take on his performance, why he believed the rises and their representatives, whoever those pr people were, lawyers were and why he didnt believe what he saw on the tape of the guy the guy dragging his fiancee out of elevator and the Police Report saying she was knocked out by the punch . Well, look, there are all sorts of signs and before june, you know, there was the Police Report saying that she had been knocked unconscious and that ray had done it. In february, it was reported that this tape did exist. That was reported by sports illustrated. Its getting worse and worse and worse, the stink, because whatever goodell says or not didnt say, he should have
gotten a copy of that tape. When they vet draft picks, they will know the last time you had lunch and what you ate for dinner so in this case, the excuse, we couldnt get it, we couldnt find it, they didnt give it to us doesnt wash. It doesnt wash and, you know, goodells in trouble. I think the owners like him and i think at the end of the day hes going to claim it was all semantic differences. What does it mean to strike unconscious . But its stinking worse and worse. But the word ambiguous used with Norah Odonnell on cbs, ambiguous, what do you think he was saying . What were people hearing when they heard ambiguous, meaning there was different testimony, the old grouchomarx. Believe me or your lying eyes. There was a Police Report, a document, a primary source of information, a Police Report and yet he was believing weeks later some nice when they come in
cleaned up and telling nice stories and he believed it then . Yeah, because, look, its the nfl. Theyre soing a product. Ray rice is a bigtime player. Didnt have a good year last year but hes pivotal to the ravens, you know, he could have suspended him indefinitely on the basis of what they knew was that she was struck unconscious. My guess is the difference will be strike unconscious, hell say, i was never told they actually took a roundhouse. Maybe he pushed her, maybe she fell to the elevator. Its going to be all the semantic bs. The fact of the matter is the nfl has objectified women for how many years. Why do you have women cheerleaders . Why do these teams have cheerleaders . Its about sex, objectification of women and theyre also selling violence. They have a real opportunity to do something far beyond the Sexual Assault which is horrific. Get the objectification out of the game but i dont think theyll do anything and, look, the biggest number you need to
know is 13. That was the rating, the share last night for the ravens and the steelers. People are football obsessed so the nfl is saying, were bulletproof. Nothing in the end is going to change the popularity of the game which mines benjamins and millions and billions in peoples pockets. Rob, back to you with the same point. I want you as a reporter on the game you watch people being interviewed from the ravens game last night all cheering for him, all these women, women, one after another woman saying let him stay. Rice is great. Forget about all this. This is nothing. Forgive and forget. Move on. This obsession with the next game, i guess it is. What is it . Chris, you know, the most interesting quote that i heard last night and i was there and i was in the locker room was from tory smith, wide receiver on the ravens saying ray rice is still a gray guy, still a great person and if you take those two minutes of his life away he is a
mod the citizen. Thats what his teammates believe. Most of the teammates i spoke to rave about rice as a human being, as an individual. They are still friendly with him. They feel bad for him and for the situation. Nobody, no one katulis condones anything that he did, but theyre trying to say that this was an isolated incident and they love this guy and hes been a great, great teammate, a great member of the community and just a very well respected person in the entire city of baltimore so i did see a lot of female fans and a lot of male fans wearing a ray rice jersey last night and that says a lot about the way that he captured that city and had a big fan base. Yeah, well, the San Diego Tribune and usa today track nfl arrests and they report that there have been at least 28 nfl players arrested this year since the super bowl and some of the charges include suspicion of felony domestic violence. Driving under the influence, dui, drug possession, battery
and disorderly conduct. Assaulting a police officer. Aggravated assault. Buzz, besides the treatment of women, is there a sort of bad boy aspect to football especially where its part of the image of the sport that some of the players are just almost to the point of being dangerous guys . Look, i think theyre trying to lessen it. On the fringes but its always been part of football. Violence, hitting people, machismo. Its harkened back to bobly bane. Paul horning gambled. These are she men. Goodell wont suspend 28 players because it will dilute the product. Hes not going to do it. If what espn and nbc is reporting is true, even if it isnt true, the fact that he only gave him two games, t twogame suspension when he knew that she had been knocked out by force from ray rice is despicable. It is despicable because ray rice might be a great guy or
not, what does he do . He walks away. He walks away. Trust me, in an nfl championship in the super bowl, he would walk away if some guy got in his face but he should have walked away here and said he he didnt just knock her out. He threw a roundhouse left, its probably the most brutal act many of us have seen and this two minutes, lets let all murders out. Lets let all killers out. It only takes two minutes to wreck a life or to kill somebody. Its a ridiculous thing and a distressing thing for pro Football Players and teammates to say. Its absurd. Rob, what do you think is the timing on the report by the muir commission by nfl . Are they going to get to the bottom of this in a reasonable amount of time . How many are there at nfl headquarters you have to interview to get this thing done quickly. Chris, and thats the big thing, since my report came out that someone at the nfl did indeed receive that video, a female voice in the voice mail i heard from my Law Enforcement official source 12second voice
mail from a female saying she received it and agreed with the Law Enforcement official this was terrible, the nfl has launched this investigation. Well, as you said, there are a lot of employees in that building. A lot of people walking through. The big question is who else saw that video . Did this video get passed to that woman. Did she give it to the intended recipient. Did it ever get to Roger Goodells hands or did it stop at that female voice mail . Is she the last person who saw . And the investigation by the nfl should get to the bottom of that and this could take some time. It really could take a lot of time. Why . Why not call everybody in the room who is a female and ask who got the video . How long could it take . A simple question, yes or no, did you ever get a tape that showed him beating up his girlfriend. You didnt, lets go to the next person. Go right through the list and get your answer. Why does it take so long . I know why it takes so long. Its Public Relations and if you
want to kill an issue have a commission, have a meeting and you know what you do, you let it sit there till the whole thing gets coal and two or three months from now when the thing is cold on a friday night you release a report that accepts responsibility. In some vague were all guilty bs thing. Dont you think theyll do, rob . Youre reporting this. And they have done that. Theyve said that they made an error in giving him just two games and theyve changed their rules and theyve changed their policy. Now itll be six game so theyve made every step along the way. Going back and said we handled this wrong. We did the wrong thing in this from the beginning but now, you know, everybody there is a Different Development every day. We all want to know did they see that video and thats the key thing. Did they see that video or are they just reacting are they just reacting to the public reaction of the video . Buzz, every week they get ready for the next game. They get ready. They get it done. They dont say give me three
months to get ready for the next game. They can ask a simple buy nary question to everybody in their headquarters and be done in an hour or two. I think its a game. Your thoughts, last word . I think you made a good point. You know, commission it to death. Report it to death robert mueller, itll be 185page report. I will fly you out here to gods country because i guarantee what mueller will say, hell rake the nfl over the koals, the tape existed somewhere but i have concluded that Roger Goodell did not see it. Case closed. I guarantee you that will be the result. Okay. Thank you very much. Buzz, youre the best. Buzz bissinger and rob maadi and congratulations on that great reporting and you deserve awards for that. The great documentary filmmaker ken burns here with an early look at his new sevenpart series on the roosevelts. Its all about teddy, franklin and eleanor and premieres this sunday. Plus, Hillary Clinton heads to iowa. Her first time back since her bitter defeat in the iowa caucuses. Will she practicing to the right or play to iowas antiwar base . And the battle against isis. Well be joined by seth molten and antiwar veteran who did four tours of duty in iraq and just this weekend, this week actually defeated sitting u. S. Congressman john tierney in the democratic primary up there in massachusetts. Finally let me finish with the very democratic notion that dynasties make no sense whatever. This is hardball. The place for politics. Musical chairs. Fun, right . Welllllllll, not when your travel rewards card makes it so hard to get a seat using your miles. Thats their game. The flights you want are blacked out. Or they ask for some ridiculous number of miles. Honestly, its time to switch
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family, theodore, eleanor and Franklin Roosevelt. The opening begins with a bold prediction of the young fdr made himself when he was first starting his career as a legal clerk on wall street. The junior clerks were idly talking about their dreams for the future. Most hoped just to become partners one day. But one had far bigger dreams. He didnt plan to practice law for long, he said. He intended to go into politics and eventually become president of the united states. The speaker was just 25 years old, an undistinguished student and indifferent lawyer but no one laughed. His name after all was Franklin Roosevelt. His fifth cousin Theodore Roosevelt was already president. The youngest in history. Joining me is the filmmaker the great ken burns. I think people dont realize how enormously popular Teddy Roosevelt was in his time. He was the first media president that everybody knew and knew what he looked like and everything. I think so. He completely redefined the presidency. He was young. He was energetic. He was essentially himself even though hes got kind of harvard or certainly upper crust accent and hes got coke bottle glasses and sort of rotund. People just fell in love with him because he had so much energy. He was so driven and, of course, part of the appeal for the young, a little bit too charming, a little bit too ambitious, a little bit too thin at that moment young fifth cousin franklin is thats going to try to follow each one of the footsteps of his more famous fifth cousin and, of course it isnt really until he cant take another footstep because of infantile paralysis that franklin gains the gravitas, the empathy able to lift the country up through the depression and second world war. I like fdr more and more
every year i get older. I keep thinking about the power of the guy. Anyway, joe once said he was lying on the ground in hong kong the day after pearl hasher and listening to his speech and only could pick out every other word but heard the voice and knew in listening to fdr we would win the war. Theres a moment eight days after hes inaugurated in 33 where he gives his famous banking address, the first of the socalled fireside chats and in less than 15 minutes he describes how we got into this banking mess, what the problem was and how we were going to get out of it. And, you know, the next day people expected another run and instead people put their money back in the bank. He had that great charismatic power to make people believe that they could do anything and he could do that because he had this extraordinarily confident upbringing and even with polio, even with all the other adversity, he was able to translate that into something he. I think all the roosevelts had distance in their ice and felt
that we all do well when we all do well and strangely enough no one has ever put all three together. I think it may just be the super fish alt of he a republican and franklin is a democrat. A great down p tton abbey. Eleanor accomplished a lot in her own right and as first lady long after leaving the white house. I can remember all that. She may have played a supporting reel to her husband while president but very much her own person. Lets watch her for a second here. The roosevelt marriage was a partnership in which each played a very important part. Each admired the other. Each wanted very much the approval of the other. That was true throughout their lives together even when they were mad at each other. They lived very separate lives even when they were in the white house they were very separate lives. And she took the sort of cold
view of his fame and the kind of popularity he had she knew he was and he wasnt quite what they thought he was. The more she stood up for the antilynching law, fighting the lynching thing in the 30s, of course, thats tough for a democrat because of the coalition and she also come out and quit the d. A. Or daughters of the american ref las vegas because they wouldnt let Marian Anderson who is africanamerican sing at the Constitution Hall and stuck her neck out. Everywhere. Everywhere. Shes a miracle of the human spirit. She shouldnt have survived her orphanhood age desperate childhood and the infidelity of franklin, in fact, though, its these things that made her face her fears and go out in the world. She became the conscience of the administration. She understood well before anyone what were the coming issues of race, of poverty, of labor, of immigration, of health, of children, of women and she with great, you know, being ridiculed all the time for
her looks and people making fun of her she just put her face forward and went at the most difficult thing and never let up. I think with the exception of prohibition, Eleanor Roosevelt was right on absolutely everything and thats an amazing testament to her fortitude and this thing that she had. She was her uncle theodores favorite niece and she had all of his sense how to escape the demons that happened to her in her childhood and she worked her whole life to escape those and look what she became. Its just a testament i have to tell you, i think she wasnt really great for catholics. She wasnt big on catholics. If you know that you ought to know everything about her. She didnt like jack kennedy one bit. But they got to be friends after a while. Well, but she she let him overcome his Irish Catholic background after a while but she didnt like it. Teddy roosevelt. Teddy was known for his larger than life personality and on bending willpower during a campaign in 1912. A gunman attempted to
assassinate him and not only did he survive but resumed giving his speech. Heres that scene. The bullet passed through the expresident s spectacles case and the folded 00page speech behind it smashed through his chest wall and lodged in the splintered rib less than a quarter of an inch from his heart. Pale and sometimes swaying at the podium he went on for more than an hour before his aides could get him to stop and agree to go to the hospital. Ken, talk about why he didnt run. I know some of this. Im sure you know more why he didnt run in 2000 im sorry, 1908. He could have easily gotten reelected. Why didnt he do that. The biggest political mistake Theodore Roosevelt made when he was elected in his own right as he sort of celebrating the victory makes this declaration Like Washington or cincinnati us
that hes not going to run again. His daughter alice is taken aback. He says if i could recall that statement, i gladly would cut off my right arm but, of course, he engineered his good friend William Howard taft would succeed him to the presidency and of course unhappy that he was not the president he ended up running in the 1912 first as a republican, the bosses wouldnt let him do that he joined the Progressive Party and became the bull moose candidate and much of the new deal is in that Party Platform and much of what Franklin Roosevelt was later able to achieve came from that platform and so you see the direct connection between these two progressives one democrat, one republican. The one thing they couldnt get done and if tr were to arrive today hed shake his head and just say, what . It took you a hundred years to get that health care thing that i wanted done . I mean, franklin couldnt do it either and it took until 2009 for that to be the sort of the cherry on the top of the new
deal. I heard that great story by tr expert that said the reason he didnt run in 1908 was because he said he wouldnt and he said i wouldnt. Hes a man of his word. Im sure if i had gone out there and said times have changed. Conditions are different, ive reexamined that and ran people would say well hes a politician. But then he did do that in 1912. I mean let me stick with my hero worship here for a second. You got to be very careful with teddy. wonderful but hes also got that destabilized thing, always trying to outrun his demons and thinks war was a good thing and disappointed he didnt get a disfiguring wound on san juan hill. Pushes his own sons closer and closer to combat in world war i with unspeakable tragic consequences so i think, you know, george will says you have to look at him with kind of clear eyes given what the 20th century was. You have clear eyes for eleanor and ive got clear eyes for teddy. So well meet in the middle with frank ling. Well, what a great man. Anyway, maybe one of the two greatest president s. Oh, i think hes obviously the greatest president of the 20th century. Franklin roosevelt and the a lincoln guy, hes come up to parity with lincoln in my eyes and indispensable as they were to the survival of our republic. The sevenpart documentary on the roosevelts begins this sunday on pbs and thank you, ken burns and well be right back after this. Thank you, chris. Thank you for being my hero and my dad. Military families are uniquely thankful for many things, the legacy of usaa Auto Insurance could be one of them. If youre a current or former military member or their family, get an Auto Insurance quote and see why 92 of our members plan to stay for life. When folks think about wthey think salmon and energy. But the energy bp produces up here creates Something Else as well
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mubarak as quickly as some wanted to and opposed pushing settlement towards a settlement freeze and took a tougher stance against Vladimir Putin and advocated for a residual force in iraq and told the atlantic, great nations need organizing principles and dont do stupid stuff is not an organizing principle but did back president obama on some key policies. She supported the president negotiating with iran instead of harsh new sanctions and backed the president s push last year to bomb the Syrian Government of bashar assad after he used chemical weapons. Chuck todd and the great new host of meet the press and prairie bacon in des moines, senior political reporter for nbc news and beth booey Senior Editor for msnbc. Com. Chuck, lets start with you. Hillary clinton coming up on the steak fry, big event in iowa. Iowa is always a big event and troubling event. Its midwestern. Its heartland. Its antiwar. Its activist. On the republican side its very Christian Conservative but lets talk democrats. Hillary clinton, it seemed like a lot of thought is given into how theyll approach iowa even though shes the strong frontrunner. I dont think theres been a lot funny you say that. I dont think theyve put a lot of thought in how theyll approach iowa. In the same quandary they were eight years ago and knew it was trouble eight years ago. There was that infamous memo, Deputy Campaign manager that says, you know what, maybe you ought to skip iowa but a frontrunner cant skip a steak that is a swing state in the general election so i dont see if they were thinking that they were going to do this differently than eight years ago that her first trip to iowa wouldnt be the biggest political event the democrats put on annually. Her first trip to iowa would have been something none of us would have known about, shed have been delivering pizza so bruce braley headquarters and instagramming and a sudden of people, hey, look, Hillary Clinton is in iowa and somebody
would have written the story. Look who gets iowa now. I think showing up your first time at the biggest political event and, oh, by the way, doing it as a joint appearance with former president clinton tells me that they actually dont know how theyre going to do iowa. Well, let me ask you about that great old political term trimming. You trimming bastard somebody called somebody. Tip oneil calling somebody that. When you dont quite support them but give the lip service to it but Everybody Knows youre saying secretly id do it differently, this isnt my guy. Are you going to get these signals from Hillary Clinton in the weeks to come or now that the president s moved to at least technically the right or hockey side of things by bombing at least iraq, probably syria next week, that shes more comfortable just being there with him and not making any distinction from him. I dont think youll see a lot of distinction. Look, theres a whole bunch of people around barack obama who simply believe that if a
democrat is elected in 2016, then it means that he got a third term. Now she may be running for bill clintons third term her own first term, barack obamas, everybody will have a terry of whose term shes running for but i think the obama white house, they just want a democrat to win. Shes got the best shot so if youve noticed, who does the chirping in these Obama Clinton back and forths. Its clinton people. Theres nobody in the obama world, you know, that have really fought back too hard on some of the chirping thats gone back and forth. Let me bring in right now party bacon covering the campaign. Hillary saying in mexico city let alone iowa down in mexico city announcing her Campaign Schedule basically. Ill be deciding or deciding to run for president or not. I guess thats an outside option. Sometime after the first of the year. So here she is speaking for the First Time Since the president basically has declared war on
isil and syria and first time shes basically made her schedule clear. Here she is popping into iowa the first in the nation test for a democratic president ial candidate. What do you think shes thinking about tomorrow . Whats kind of speech is she running today . I mean this event was planned before all the before the beheadings and things like that so i think shell focus more on this is tom harkins last steak fry so i think theyll do a lot to honor him an talk about him. Id be surprised if she talks about Foreign Policy. Harkin is more of a domestic policy so health care, talk about the economy, talk about tom harkin and talk how great he is. I think itll be less of a bigtime political speech and more of a welcome to iowa. Im back here, tom harkins great kind of event. So to use a phrase of the great well not the great but the late george wallace, there wont be a dimes worth of difference between Hillary Clinton and barack obama in the days ahead. Perry . Not right now. Yeah, not right now. I think eventually there will be but i think right now this early stage id be surprised on sunday if she was to take on barack obama right now at this event which is basically a democratic rally for tom harkin for bruce braley. Chuck had to leave. Now to my friend beth the you know this stuff as well as i do. You know it cold. Cold. And heres the question. Heres the question. Is Hillary Clinton going to try to make up for the fact that she was a hawk the last time she ran for president . The reason she probably lost not just to barack obama but also got nicked by john edwards. Imagine losing to two and coming in third in iowa last time around. Im wondering whether shell try to backtrack over that and say, wait a minute. Dont believe im that person. Ive changed or has the country changed in her lights and become more hawkish and caught up to her. Which way will she play it. I was on the plane with her
leaving iowa and covered her campaign for the ap in 2008. I can tell you that night she came in third, i swore she would never return to iowa again. It was a brutal humiliating loss for this woman who had been the frontrunner who spent millions and millions of dollars blood sweat and tears to campaign in that place to be repudiated that way was incredibly crushing. She even said so in her book hard choices that it was just crushing and i felt she was very angry with the voters of iowa. That she had given everything she had to give and still chose someone else so that said shes coming back there eating a bit of humble pie, i agree with perry shes not going to get out there and say anything about anything provocative about the president , about isil, about his decision to expand the military effort there. She is going back to say, hey, guys, i may be the frontrunner in National Polls but im really here to reintroduce myself to you and hope that you take another look at me this time. I think youre going to see a fairly humble Hillary Clinton. Shes going to get behind the
celebration of tom harkin and his legacy in that state. Hes very, very popular there. Particularly among the liberal democrats who as you say form the base in that state. I dont think youre going to see a lot of real fireworks out of her. Youre going to see a woman who wants to try again and she needs to try again. Even as a frontrunner she cant take that place for granted. You have to wonder whether if she were the senator from iowa whether she would have been a dove being a senator from new york shes a hawk, a big surprise there. Anyway, senator marco rubio wrote going after the veiled isolationism of president obama and Hillary Clinton. What planet is he on quote from his focus on prematurely ending wars in the interest of nationbuilding here at home to his abandonment of americas traditional allies in an effort to placate americas enemy, president obama has made it clear that he is different from his postworld war ii predecessor, 5 1 2 years of Obama Clinton worldview has given americans a graphic and often horrific view of the chaos that is unleashed in the world
when america walks away from its traditional role as the guarantor of global security. Thats the end of his quote. To combat isis he opposed laying down red line, quote, if we are serious as the president said about ultimately destroying the islamic state, we cannot rule anything out. You know what, i think rubio works i dont know whether its a tinker toy system he works with or paint by numbers, nothing perry original ever comes out that guy. He is a child politically. He says stuff that anybody would have said 40, 50 years ago in the cold war. He repeats it like somebody told it to him. Theres nothing there. The one thing with the oped he mentions the names barack obama and Hillary Clinton but its not about them. He keeps referring in this oped to these unnamed republican isolationists. not talking about obama or clinton but rand paul and thats who hes trying to attack is rand paul by suggesting rand paul is like barack obama on
Foreign Policy, a clue to republicans you cant like rand paul because hes like barack obama on Foreign Policy. Thats the aim is for rubio wants to show tim himself as part of the National Security part of the Republican Base and to suggest rand paul is outside of that mainstream and thats what the tactic is here. Thank you very much for that, perry bacon and thank you beth fouhy. Well talk to seth molten who served for four years of duty, military duty in iraq and this week he was in the marines and this week he won the democratic primary against nineterm incumbent senator john tierney up in massachusetts. Youre watching hardball, the place for politics. At his current pace,
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firstworld country to go into a third world country, for the better, change it. I know we can screw things up. I know weve done that in a lot of countries, but maybe youre right. Except for the british who spent 200 million on democracy. All you can do is screw it up, they begin to hate you and they say get the hell out i just saw secretary kerry saying we cant put troops back into iraq because the new Prime Minister over there didnt want us back in. Your thoughts . I dont think thats entirely true. I disagreed with the iraq war. But im not one who thinks you can never do good around the globe. But there are times and places in iraq where american troops made a positive difference. I think you see that in afghanistan, as well. There are a lot of progressive things that are happening in afghanistan that never would have happened without our presence there. But that doesnt mean its a good idea to go in, and i dont
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