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transformational election in our country, let the democrats put forward a war hawk like Hillary Clinton. You will see a transformation like you have never seen. What will this do to mix up the decision after lee elections voting against a war can we choose a democrat who voted for the war and sounds hawkish today who takes a harder line on putin, iran, syria . How will republicans behave in the booth if forced to vote for a republican, rand paul, who thinks the u. S. Is too warlike . All of this is possible. It could happen if Hillary Clinton sticks to the hard line she voiced in a recent interview with the atlantic and rand paul win it is the republican nomination. Think it cant happen . It can. The big question is how party line voters will deal with it. Will democrats get hawkish . Will republicans get suddenly dovish . Talk about changing partners. David korn is here from mother
jones magazine. Lets watch more of senator paul when nbcs Chris Jansing interviewed him. Lets listen to senator paul. The American Public is coming more to where i am and those people, like Hillary Clinton who fought her own war, hillarys war. People will find and i think that scares the democrats the most. In a general election, were i to run, there is going to be a lot of independents and some democrats who say, you know, we are tired of war. We are worried Hillary Clinton will get us involved in another middle eastern war because shes gung ho. I hear this fellow and i think wait, thats me talking. We disagree on many domestic issues but war and Voter Suppression are the problems i have with the right. The way they try to keep minorities from voting and they get us into war and we are stuck
in a war in a country like iraq. Mr. Mr. Corn, what do you think when you heard paul talking . You have heard what senator clinton has been saying. I dont think democrats are scared of rand paul as a nominee. I think they would love him to be the nominee. I find it really hard to believe the republican establishment will allow him to become the nominee. Its almost inconceivable. That said, rand paul would have a hard time keeping onethird of the Republican Base which is the hawkish National Security part of the party. Whatever he may pick up or believes he might pick up from independence, hes going to lose a lot of republicans should he be the nominee. Very few real democrats are going to go rushing into the arms of a guy who wants to destroy government and make
abortion illegal just because hillary talks tough. Let me go back to gene on that. Hillary will probably be the nominee. You put them together. Shell probably be the nominee. Shes been hawkish, i think, always i have always sensed she was a hawk. I dont know when i first got that sense. Shes talking that way now. She is talking in a hawkish fashion. What david said is basically right except we dont quite know what circumstance wills look like if these two were to be the candidates. How messy will it be in iraq and syria . How deeply will we be involved . If we are involved in a messy conflict as we seem to be sliding toward, lets face it. And if rand paul is a candidate saying i will end this war and Hillary Clinton is the candidate saying weve got to push ahead, that does change the dynamic. Isnt there a difference . I think there is. Between a gut defense of america
against a treacherous attack on us, killing the journalist and this geopolitical ambition to rework the middle east. Those seem different. Maybe one is no smarter than the other. Gu gut blood wars like launching against isis now as opposed to the grand notion that got us into the huge mess in the last 10, 12 years which hillary supported which is working the middle east to our advantage which was a terrible idea. I agree. I think Hillary Clinton is, has always been a hawk or hawkish. One reason might be she might make a political calculation that the first woman president to be elected maybe has to be seen as tougher than less tougher, but i dont believe shes a neocon out there look ing to start war. Given the circumstances we saw in libya and iraq in 2002, her preference might be to support
something. I dont think shes actively looking to start wars to fulfill grand strategic ambition the way the neocons are. What about gene is right that the circumstances in the world will define what voters want in terms of a hawk, a dove or both. What scares me rs gene, is we all lov all lived through this. I watched jack kennedy become president. He made great decisions like not bringing in air power in the bay of pigs, getting us through the cuban missile crisis without a nuclear war going hot because he didnt have to prove his guts. He proved it in the south pacific. Lbj has to prove his guts. That got us into vietnam, 500,000 troops for all those years. A guy trying to prove he has the stones. I dont want a president who says the first thing i have to do is prove im tough. Thats the road to perdition. Look what it set us through. W. Wanted to be a tough cowboy. Lbj wanted to be a texas cowboy. How about less cowboy or cowgirl, if you will, for me . I would rather be Angela Merkel if you want to be a woman leader who knows how to put it together without war. Shes a tough leader, too. Hillary clinton has been secretary of state. Shes shown herself on the international stage. The question of having to appear tough is more a question for campaign than if they were to become president. Im not sure she would have to demonstrate something about her own firmness just for that sake. Her instinct is fairly hawkish. You know, as she looks at the middle east and the projection of u. S. Power. Its an interesting moment now. There is a lot of chaos overseas that has americans pretty worked up or at least upset or concerned. They are looking towards obama. What they want is for our president to take care of it. They dont want war. I think they are tired of war. At the same time they dont want chaos. It really leaves open for a very skilled politician to figure out how to deal with a public that wants a leader that will deal with this but without bringing us into a quagmire of a war. Not an easy calculation. Im not sure rand paul has a better sense of how to deal with this politically than anybody else. The Egyptian Military that we are paying most of their bills. The saudi air force, we are giving them fire power. Same with jordan. Why dont you guys get together and lead your air force in the attack on isis . Why do we have to do it from here . You guys dont like isis. Show it. Contrast between clinton and paul on Foreign Policy can be stark. Clinton include as memo to president obama about russian president Vladimir Putin and writes, dont appear too eager to work together. Dont flatter putin with
highlevel attention. Decline his invitation for a president iallevel summit in moscow in september. Contrast that give no quarter approach to rand pauls comments about dealing with putin. Some are so stuck in the cold war era they want to tweak russia all the time. I dont think thats a good idea. Gene . The question of how to deal with putin when Hillary Clintons book was written rand paul was speaking. We seem to have gotten past that. Putin has entered a new phase in his relationship with the west and with the United States. No president will be sitting down and having a friendly tea with him soon. But it does Say Something about the instincts of the two people. Lets look at the latest polling on this. We have an nbcwall street journal number that says 9 of the country want us more active in Foreign Policy and 47 less. Thats pretty clear that the people who want to yell geronimo are few in number. There is no support out there for the john mccain, Lindsey Grahams of the world who basically want to turn to war whether in syria, iraq, as soon as you can, as fast as you can, whenever you can. They are not that. At the same time we see obamas numbers have gone down a bit with the rise of the international conflict. Syria and elsewhere. I think the u. S. Expects their president to deal with stuff overseas. We want a leader who comes across as tough, hawkish in rhetoric, but doesnt bring us into war and finds another way of dealing with the situation. Thats whats hard in these circumstances and could be even harder in 2016. Talk loudly and carry a little stick . Could be. Anyway, gene, we are the same age. I remember that great character in arsenic and old lace charging down the stairs like charging up san juan hill. That reminds me of Lindsey Graham and john mccain lately. Great men but they are getting whacky sometimes. Thank you both. Coming up, american and British Intelligence are closing in on the man thought to be involved in nurd of james foley. Remarkably they say they have i. D. d the mass jihadist seen in the gruesome video of the american journalist execution. What a story that will be. Plus, Michael Brown was laid to rest in st. Louis. Will the anger of the Africanamerican Community lead to an increase in voter turnout in november in the Africanamerican Community . I hope so. The prosecutors in the Bob Mcdonnell case accused the former governor of stonewalling today, refusing to answer questions in the courtroom. Finally, you may not have known his name but you knew his
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go after the terror group responsible. The president gave voice to desire for revenge last week calling isis a cancer that has no place in the 21st century. Officials left open the possibility of expanded air strikes against the group in syria. What is the administration prepared to do . General martin dempsey, chairman of the joint chiefs said he would oppose air strikes because there is no evidence isis is plotting against the United States in this country. Meanwhile today in what could be a remarkable feat of intelligence nbc learned u. S. And british counterterrorism officials have identified the man with a british accent in that gruesome video showing foleys murder. Can we get him . Bobby gaush from quartz and brian from the center for american progress. Bobby, what do you think of the question of whether we are going to catch this guy . There are a limited number of british accented islamists over there. They have pretty good intel. Maybe the way j. Edgar hoover knew all the communists in the United States including his agents pretending to be communists. They seem to be fast on the trail. They have known for a while there is a stream of british nationals going to syria via turkey. They know who the channels are, who is firing the young men up. They know the supply chain. Theyve also got plenty of voice. This particular character is a failed rapper and v. J. Or deejay. They have a lot of voice tape. They have been able to match it to the tape from jim foleys murder. They have narrowed down the possibility. They have one guy. His name is abdul majid, abdul bari. He lived in london in an upmarket neighborhood. Quite popular with american
expats. Its not the place you would normally expect radical islam. Where is where are his roots . In middle east . His father was egyptian. Im not sure what nationality his mother was. His accent is pure british accent. Nothing to suggest he was isolated away from the british community, unable to sort of adjust himself. He was a vee krs dst jay and a rapper suggesting he embraced western life. You are willing to risk your life which has some admirable qualities even if i dont like the cause. To be an executioner is an escalation in your moral commitment beyond what most of us can imagine. To be so committed to your
hatred of the west that you would execute someone in a staged event, a snuff movie for the world to see. It takes a certain character to go that far in your hatred. Whats scary about this is u. S. Officials and outside experts estimate there are perhaps 3,000 people from western countries canada, europe, the United States. Maybe a hundred from the u. S. Perhaps 700 from france. These people are connected by the internet. A lot of these guys are tweeting and facebooking their way to the battlefield doing horrific things. It is an awful situation. We need to get a grip on it. Not everybody likes living in america. They dont like the pace of life, competitiveness. They think we are too chauvinistic. I dont think we are worse than anybody else. There is a difference between going back to the homeland or feeling fealty to the culture and coming out and declaring
war. On meet the press yesterday, mike rodgers put in stark terms the threat posed by isis. Lets watch. Its gone unabated for nearly two years. That draws people to join the fight. They see it as a winning ideology, winning strategy. They want to be a part of it. That makes it dangerous. They are one plane ticket away from u. S. Shores. Bobby, what do you make of that . Thats a stark challenge. I respect mr. Rodgers as chair of the committee. What damage can one person do . 9 11 was an almost Alistair Mclean event. The idea of ark straiting attacks on pilots, killing flight attendants, organizing it so you knew there were only a few men on the plane. They did all the casing. That was an elaborate conspiracy to commit a horrible attack on the United States. Thats not to say somebody who doesnt like us couldnt do something. Do you think this is an overstatement of the danger here . He has more access to intelligence than you or i do. I hope what hes saying is based on something hes seen or heard. Its worth remembering isis is far more sophisticated than al qaeda was which is somebody to be concerned about. It has a larger pool of people to choose from when it comes to picking people for operations against the west. The last point thats worth making is this is the 21st century. You dont have to come to the american mainland to hurt american interests or americans. Even in the middle east there are a huge number of american institutions, organizations. American individuals, hundreds, thousands of American Kids go to the middle east to study arabic for instance. Egypt, jordan. The student to do harm to america and americans exists all
over the world, much closer to where some of the people operate than we think. To make the point that bobby made lets listen. This weekend kier simmons spoke to muslim extremists in london who defended isis. Chillingly, the killing of james foley itself. Lets listen to the strong, i would say, frightening opinion here. There are a lot of people who would feel the Islamic State has a right to defend themselves. Killing a journalist isnt protecting yourself. Who is really to blame for the death of james foley . I believe it is the Foreign Policy. Its the man who put the knife in his neck, surely. Well, the thing youve got to ask is why was this particular man chosen . It seems he was chosen because he was an american citizen. There is more of that attitude, brian. Its frightening. One of the guys says he blames us and they have the right to do it. It was basically the message this is justified. This is fair revenge, if you will. Its crazy. I think what needs to be done here is there are counter radicalization efforts in communities in the United States and in europe. Some of our best allies are leaders in the muslim communities there. They have worked with the u. S. To counter this. This odious, hateful language after last weeks incident needs to be countered in that way. The tip of the spear, we have talked about it, is good Law Enforcement and intelligence work. A lot of people in washington want to turn to what can we bomb or how can we use the military next . The first step is how to keep ourselves safe through Law Enforcement. The second step is to get the countries in the region which have more than a thousand combat aircraft, many of which we have given or sold to them, to pull their weight as well. It shouldnt solely be about what we do or what our military
does. Its a lesson we should have learned from iraq. How does the president of the United States who hasnt been on the job lately sometimes it seems the president , when he gets his head around this can he wring in the egyptian air force, the Jordanian Air force, the saudi air force. They dont have to be exactly as good but cant he get them into action against isis which they all say is an enemy. Not only the air force. He will need Ground Troops and perhaps they can contribute as well. We learned today egyptian and uae aircraft have been used to attack islamist targets in libya of all places. If thats possible it can work in egypt. Can i make a point about the video we saw . We should call these people on these things. This is nonsense to suggest american Foreign Policy is responsible. Isis has been killing hundreds, thousands of muslim. What Foreign Policy is responsible for that . They kill anybody they can get their hands on. These are psycho killers. They are not responding to Foreign Policy. They are responding to something in the brain that is not functioning properly and makes them want to do this to fellow human beings. Do you think that recruits them . For years we have been pro israeli in this country for a lot of reasons. Moral, political. The, of supporting israel. Has that driven the arab people crazy more than they have ever been driven crazy by a consistent policy or the challenge to western culture, women wearing short dresses, working, the culture of the west which they see as sinful. Whats the mix that leads to anger . Its a Large Community and the vast majority of them are perfectly well adjusted people who want nothing more than what you and i want out of life. Its a small minority. Its organizations that exploit these things. The business about israel and
palestine, there are many ways to respond and many arabs responding in peaceful ways, political ways. Trying to make things happen. There is a small minority that responds in this way. There is a network of individuals and organizations who make it their business to recruit, brainwash and unleash these people into their own communities doing most of the harm in their own communities. They are killing arabs. Nothing to do with israel in slaughtering 500 prisoners of war in mosul which is what isis did. Almost all of them muslims. Israel and palestine had nothing to do with it. These people are playing out some primitive sadistic fantasy that we should recognize for what they are. They are a sophisticated and dangerous organization. What they are not is religiously or politically motivated. Lets not give them credit they
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22 of republicans. Considering that could anger over the case motivate more africanamerican voters to turn up this november . Joining me now is democratic congressman Elijah Cummings and margie omara. The greatest registrar of africanamerican voters in philadelphia history where i grew up was the existence of frank rizzo, the tough Police Commissioner who was seen as too darn tough on black people. He had the night stick and all that. The big military hardware he brought in tanks and everything. Im very familiar. That got people to register in a higher percentage than white people. With all thats going on and marked today by the sad funeral there might be a side effect. Your thoughts. Let me express my sympathy to the brown family and the ferguson community. Youre absolutely right, chris. First of all, ferguson, missouri , we have fergusons all over the country. There are a lot of pentup frustrations on the part of africanamerican people and hispanics with regard to the kind of incident we saw happen in ferguson. What happens is i think these incidents become more or less a wakeup call. I have often said in time a moment will happen that can then be turned into a movement. I think you will see a surge in not only Voter Registration but voter participation. People realize its one thing to be upset and angry and frustrated. Its another thing to harness the energy and make change happen. So i believe thats whats going to happen here. You know, margie, we have gone over the map many times. The Minority Community has a big impact. Though you can only affect your own congressman you can affect the Electoral College for president. If a member of Congress Wants to get people outraged and they are get them voting. It seems this would be a weapon to do it with. There are states whether its the Georgia Senate race, louisiana, arkansas, North Carolina where a boost in minority turn out could impact the election. I think there is a common myth that lower turn out among minorities, or women boosts or oh lifts up democratic prospects. Thats not actually true. In 2006 the percentage of the electorate that was africanamerican was identical to the percent in 2010. You had different results in the midterm elections. I think it is incumbent upon
democrats and voters to really turn out. Democrats need to reach out to voters across the board. I agree. I agree with that completely. We have to have what i call a revolution of inclusion. People who are likeminded. You cannot turn this around, chris, just with africanamerican people. We have to see more whites, hispanics and others joining together with africanamericans to create that majority to address some of the issues. One of the things that was so heartening right after the brown incident happened is that when they did a panoramic view of the rallies around the country you saw a lot of white people involved. I thought that was good. It means they, too, recognize that there is an issue that needs to be addressed and the more people we can get involved in, i believe the more effective and efficient we can be. You make the case. You and i grew up with the fact
that it was police dogs in birmingham. Right. When the white people of the north, when they saw that by people who were white they said, thats not my crowd. I think the dogs i remember. Those pictures on television of dogs biting people and fire hoses being used against people in protests warned everybody in a way they had never been warned before that this is evil, whats going on down there. It reminded them that this is bigger than white or black. Its about all of us. Its about diversity. I believe diversity is the promise and not our problem. Well said. What is going to excite the voters if you are africanamerican if not this situation . I saw the church today. There was a lot of amening and a lot of emotion. It was tears. It seems to me the pictures there is the mother, of course. I just think there are so many people. It wasnt just reverend sharpton
we know so well. It was so profoundly important to people there. They werent just concerned about one death in a community. They were concerned about Something Else. I wonder if it are will go across the country . You certainly dont have to be africanamerican to be out raged at what happened, not just the shooting but the aftermath and handling. I think a lot of the outrage comes not just from the tragedy but its obviously different than how it was years ago as you mentioned. The pew poll, there are other polls showing real Racial Division and reaction to the shooting, reaction to whether the police went too far, reaction to the protesters. I think thats also where a lot of outrage comes where people feel we are not really understanding each other. Not really able to view each other the prospective. We saw in the o. J. Case the
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businessman. She was the one who was making these offers and not Bob Mcdonnell, the elected official. Theyre sort of taking this tsh. Yeah, im sorry. Katie, this is a crazy case, robert. I mean, here you have the defense team putting all the blame on one of the defendants and basically saying theyre a little screwn, need medication. And shes supposed to sit there with a dunce cap on and accepting this as a route to freedom. Serves both their interests. If they can make this thing stick, they can say he didnt know what was going on because she was doing it all behind his back and you cant convict her because shes not a public official, so how can you nail her on public corruption charges . But i think a real low point or a tough point, id say, for Bob Mcdonnell today on the stand, hes been saying that the marriage was, you know, basically over, that it was a broken marriage. They were barely communicating. And they pointed out that during, in 22 months in office,
he and maureen went on 18 vacations together. So, and they also showed three photos of them, you know, Holding Hands and looking happy, sometimes coming to and from court. So they are definitely hitting him on this whole idea that the marriage was broken. Well, this will do wonders for sandals who says you get along better on vacations. Hes bo garting, as i say, to answers, every time you ask him a question, he gives you ten minutes of falofle instead of the direct answering. Thats in keeping of what weve seen from judge spencer over the last couple weeks. He has not hesitated to tell anyone to get to the point. Hes made it clear hes on the jurys side. Theyve been here for weeks hearing all kinds of testimony. Some of it has been very interesting but some of it has also been a little bit more
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