Is obama care. Nothing is over until we decide it is. Those that cant stand strong to defend the republic, the constitution, heck yeah. They have to be primaried. Otherwise were going down. What i intend to do is to continue standing with the American People. This is really just the end of the beginning. That is fight thats going to continue. Isnt this going to happen all over again in a few months . No. How do you like me now all right. The government is open. We just barely avoided defaults on the nations debt and the gop forced to accept that the Affordable Care act is the law of the land. Okay. At least until 88 days from now and thats when cruz and the cuckoo caucus can have the opportunity to shut down the government and president obama tried to get back to the business of running the country. We still need to pass a law to fix our broken immigration system. We need to pass a farm bill. And with the shutdown behind us, and Budget Committees forming, we now have an opportunity to focus on a sensible budget that is responsible, that is fair and that helps hard working people all across this country. Immigration reform, a farm bill and federal budget with the midterm elections around the corner. Are you ready for round two . Guess what. The battle is far from over. The new Budget Committee has until december 13th to work out a 90 billion difference between the Senate Budget that was passed under the leadership of patty murray and the paul ryan austerity first budget that passed in the house and just and like the fight we just had over obama care, its going to feel once again like were relitigating the 2012 election. As the committee tried to find Common Ground between two very different visions. We know well hear from paul ryan about rethinking the role of government in our lives, aka cuts to medicare, medicaid and snap that help people in need get back on their feet. Well hear about the makers and the takers. Mitt romneys Entitlement Society and dont forget the number one threat to americas democracy, the national debt. In fact, if youve been listening to the republicans lately, it feels like 2012 deja vu all over again. The number one problem we face is our debt. We have to do something about our debt. We have got to cut the deficit and put america on track to a balanced budget. The idea that we should continue to spend money that we dont have and give the bill to our kids and grand kids would be wrong. I think its frankly not moral for my generation to keep spending massively more than we take in knowing the burdens are passed on to the next generation. Oh, so get ready to remind paul ryan, ted cruz and the rest of the cuckoo caucus that its october 2013. Not 2012. A majority of americans agreed that government does have a role to play in our lives and that in the most fundamental American Valley and everyone has an opportunity to improve their lives and a fair shot. Get over it already, guys. Joining me now, jared bernstein, senior fellow at the center on budget and policy priorities and maria teresa khumar. Thank you for joining me. Youre welcome. Starting with you, jared, we are coming up to the next round and, again, we are going to hear the same rhetoric from the conservatives. Deficit reduction and, of course, yet again, they will not take into account the fact that where we are now in 2013 is not where we were in 2009. The president actually has made substantial progress on deficit reduction. He had Health Care Costs are going down. We can have a different kind of conversation than the paul ryan budget could portend but, no. Well hear the same rhetoric it seems. Yeah. I agree with everything you just said except for Health Care Costs are rising more slowly and not going down. We are generating savings there. Look. When were having this argument on this turf it is on conservative or republican turf. In the following sense. These guys love to govern by crisis so first it was the crisis of obama care. That was a loser for them. Guess what . Now its back to the crisis of debt and deficits and as you yourself suggested the budget deficit down from 10 in 2009 to Something Like 3 or 4 now and ticking down. But as long as theyre creating this crisis of deficits and debt now, and very importacorrelatio that, tax increases are off the table; the only way to achieve deficit savings is more spending cuts. Right. Be aware we have cut 2. 5 trillion so far on the spending side. Im sorry, reduction already. 70 0 of that has been spending cuts already so this really is their shrink government turf. Exactly as you suggested. You know, on the one hand, we finally got an agreement that we can go to Conference Committee and try to look at the two budgets and have a budget and stop going from continuing resolution to continuing resolution. And yet, the deadlines, the shortterm deadlines and the deal cut this week, doesnt that give republicans a bit of leverage . Actually, i think the fact that the government was shut down for 60 days, they have lost the narrative that people dont need government. They lost the narrative that people all of a sudden dont need s. N. A. P. Or medicare or medicaid. They dont need social security. Now the American People realize what happens when government completely shuts down and impacts them. Not a few weeks but almost the next day and so as a result while in 2012, yes, definitely resonated that the idea of spending too much with a majority of American People. When they realize what the government was spending and how theyre dpebd ent on that to make sure theyre coming they themselves coming out of economic recovery. The republicans have very little leverage with a case for why we need to start cutting the debt at this point. Jared, to that point, it mean, it seems like you make the point that were fighting this on the republicans sort of talking points. How do we reframe the conversation, particularly when we know that they are going for entitlements . They want to cut social security, medicare, medicaid. That is the holy grail to them and they will, you know, not let facts get in the way of, you know, efforts to try to make those cuts. So what are the options that we have on that . Well, i think the key word is options. In other words, instead of focusing on having an argument about what they want to cut and how we want to cut less of it, we should really be talking about the part of the big picture that theyre very conspicuously ignoring and have been doing so for a long time and thats this little matter of the economy. How about that . Jobs. Go along with that. Remember that . Its still out there. The Unemployment Rate is still highly elevated. Growth is still slow and half a percent slower now because of the shutdown and what i would like to hear is a couple of politicians stand up and say, okay, we have a commission to talk about the budget. This budget conference. Great. We should do that. Im glad theyre talking to each other. We need the same thing on the Unemployment Rate, on jobs, on poverty, on inequality, immobility. Have folks stand up and say heres a set of aideas to address that set of problems. They would have a big audience. Looking at Public Opinion on entitlement reform, people care about the programs like social security. People now after the shutdown recognize, hey, government maybe isnt such a bad thing and does some good things and i think the challenge here, though, going into this is you have senator reid basically saying he, you know, you got to get revenue on the table. Republicans are saying, no way. You have president obama who has said in the past hes willing to look at entitlement reform and made democrats on the hill very nervous. Are democrats able to stay unified with protecting the entitlements . I think the president won a lot with the Democratic Base because he was able to he didnt fold in the last negotiations and as a result i think that theyre going to give him some leeway to look at entitlement reform. We need some sort of reform because its currently not sustainable without switches and the progressive base of the Democratic Party because the president was able to stand so firm recently theyll be open to his conversations and see where he goes. I hope that youre right because i feel like its just so obvious that, you know, when you listen to the rhetoric, here we go again. You know . Literally it does to me sound like 2012 all over again. Two other agenda items of the president , immigration. Whens interesting to me on Immigration Reform, some are ju suggesting to help some republicans in some house place races and dont seem to look at the da the and math and numbers but thats what they show and then you have got the Business Community which, you know, was sort of at odds with Tea Party Folks in the last round actually saying, yes, we need Immigration Reform. It is good for business. Right. Well, this is actually if the Republican Party can take a step back and realize that obamas trying to save them from themselves in this case, if the Republican Party was able to go forward and say well pass comprehensive Immigration Reform they would do three things. Inject into the economy with money. Two, address National Security and then open themselves up to an incredibly increasingly important base which is the latino vote and not just in california and florida but texas, north carolina, south carolina, arizona. Right. By doing that, passing comprehensive Immigration Reform, theyre injecting themselves with a stronger economy and clean house and say we want this demographic now. Let me just say that that was just a very smart and rational analysis i was going to say youre making far too much sense. Are you kidding me . Smart and rational analysis doesnt exactly work on the key people we are talking about. So im probably more skeptical than maria visavis Immigration Reform but agree with the points. I would say the farm bill, it does have to get passed. And so, the argument here is less about helping these, you know, this kind of subsidies to farmers. Thats kind of embedded in the process. Its more an issue of food stamps or s. N. A. P. As its called. To that point, i feel like talking fiscal policy or economics, when we are talking about the farm bill an you look at, okay, are we were talking about farmers, will we keep that tied to helping low income people with s. N. A. P. And again i think its going to drill down to makers versus takers kind of language. Well, look. Interestingly, the reason the farm bill is a slam dunk is because basically its sort of combined rural and urban constituencies. Taking it apart, you kind of lose that. Of course, politics are all up in the air relative to these kinds of supposed slam dunks in the past. Lets remember, the house has not passed one appropriations bill for a really long time. Right. All right. Thanks for your time. Thank you, karen. Get ready for the battle, guys. All right. Next, bowling . Movie nights . Beer summit . Can they find a way to live together in peace and harmony . Im going to ask Chris Matthews when we come back. I should mention that due to the recent Government Shutdown none of the food tonight was inspected. In fact, that salmon appetizer wasnt smoked. It just swam too close to an oak brothers factory. Stubborn love by the lumineers did you get my email . I did. So what did you think of the house . Did you see the School Ratings . Oh, youre right. Hey babe, i got to go. Bye daddy have a good day at school, ok . But what about when my parents visit . Ok. I just love this one. And its next to a park. I love it. I love it too. Heres our new house. Daddy youre not just looking for a house. Youre looking for a place for your life to happen. 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If we disagree on something, we can move on and focus on the things we agree on. And get some stuff done. President obama made an impassioned plea to congress this week ft. Its time to find a way to Work Together but in a capital scorched by shutdown, how will republicans find Common Ground with the president when many wont admit he was born in this country . How do they negotiate when the speakers caucus pledges all allegiance to a tea Party Senator . It wasnt so long ago a president and speaker of opposed parties joined together to do big things for the country, historic achievements this changed peoples lives. While working together in the 1980s, republican president Ronald Reagan and democratic speak eer tip oneill ended the cold war and while the political rivalry often hard fought the relationship had a quality thats utterly lacking today in washington. Trust. My colleague Chris Matthews had a front row seat to the action as speaker oneills top aide on capitol hill and chronicled the working relationship of these in a new book. Hes also, of course, the host of hard ball here on msnbc. Welcome, chris. Its a joy to have you. Thank you. I wore my professors costume today. I appreciate it. Professors look on saturday. Okay. So chris, you know, i want to start with either this idea of the times because, you know, back then, i mean, those two men as you talk about, they were able to have a kind of relationship if its even possible today because theres such a lack of trust on both sides. Well, it wasnt because they agreed. Karen, they totally disagree. Thats why i wrote the book because reagan was the leader of the modern conservative movement and tip was as liberal as you can imagine being. He cared about the poor people, the kid that couldnt afford to go to college or the old. He believed in government. Reagan says government is not the solution but the problem. This is 180 stuff and why its interesting that as you said they were able to find not Common Ground. But compromise. You give me this. Ill give you that. They did that on all the issues you mentioned. Chris, the thing is strikes me to be able to do that you can have to some degree of trust with the person youre negotiating with and strikes me we have seen so little of that from the two sides in washington these days. Yeah. Like, you know, you watch what i watch every day. Say tuesday afternoon. Boehner out of the white house. Hes on the phone with the chief of staff. Chief of staff says you cant sell what you just agreed to. Eric cantor saying, speaker, why did you do that . We know that within an hour. Right. What did he say . The other day i said the speaker said something i was overrun. Overrun, yeah. Why do we know what he said to the president . You know i support obama and the issues, most of them, why would someone give away the little private conversation . Right. I mean, there ought to be some trust and confidence to call up reagan called tip in the afternoon and say, whens your watch say . 3 00 . Change it to 6 00. Youve said were friends after 6 00 and now we can talk. I think its about being able to private nobody wants to hear this. Private conversations when you say, you know what . Im going to push it as far as i can but well make a deal the day before. Corporate tax reform, theres an area to find agreement on. You mentioned tax reform. They got the top rate down under rae again and oneill down to 28 . The conservatives and rich people loved it. Heres what they did. Were going to make same tax rate for Capital Gains for people who make money off money as the tax rate for people who earn it through sweat. Its never been like that since. That was a wonderful thing. That meant that rich people didnt just clip coupons and not pay taxes. You have to pay smuchings tas m plumber or the cab driver. Thats a compromise. Seems like the group thats formed and compromise and leading the way is the women. We hear about youre right. Women smenators and susan collins. You tell me. My wife tells me that all the time. Whos john wayne in the room . As women they have a different approach. As the women senators have said going to dinner sometimes they need to get away from the testosterone and then because theyre more collaborative. Like you have said, its not necessarily that you agree on everything but you try to say, okay, well i can do this if you can do that and figure out how to come to a deal and i think that art of the deal seems to be so much of what were is lacking and what tip and the giper had. I think theres nothing youre much younger than me. Dont giggle. Its a happy fact. It is a happy fact. Okay. Lets go. You know what i think . I i this the fact that both the guys were in the 70s, they knew that was the last act. I thought about this so long. And they knew that theres no more bs, no more speeches, no more positioning. If they didnt get it done and end up with something besides an argument and fix social security, didnt make the tax system fair and end the cold war and the fight in northern ireland, they would have blown it and no comeback later. Today theres a sense of kick it down the road. Whens the most common phrase in Politics Today . Kick the can down the road. To when will they deal . As long as you and i live, well have divided government. We wont have a oneparty state like in some countries. We wont or oneparty i mean, ted cruz can talk all he wants. Hes never 60 of the country. Right. Its always about 4545 with people in the middle making up their minds. Someone has to tell ted cruz that. He thinks hes a raise a roman candle. Hes hot. Theyre listening to him. He will be hot for a while. People of his political type dont tend to last a long time. I dont think so. You know, chris, part of what i think were seeing you have talked about this a lot very eloquently. This era of undermining and delegitimizing president obama. Even in the clinton administration, right, there were fights and disagreements and there was some ugly stuff that went on but not the level like i think were seeing with the president. The birthers are frightening because i dont know whether they believe it themselves but theyre pandering the people who do, have a problem with a guy of mixed background, part immigrant with a parent of africa and clearly born in this country by all the fact that is we know and even not, by the definition we accept of natural born, his mother was american and hes american and even if the lies were true. Theres nothing about ethnicity and ideology. Say if hes joe brown that grew up in the south and moved to detroit or philadelphia where i grew up. Elected to senate. Would they be treated differently abe given a different treatment . Some other way of discounting his presidency . That im curious about. He has this african name. And they use that. Would they have done the same thing to joe brown from america . Just say he wasnt really hes not really a president. I want to Say Something positive. We progressives and im pretty much a progressive and i have to say this. The good news is what we talk about. 70 of this country practically without any problem changed the history. Elected an africanamerican guy with an interesting background and a beautiful wife and beautiful africanamerican woman and beautiful family and we have all accepted it. Thats the wondrous thing going on and outshadowed by the terrible voice on the hard right and we are a pretty good country, not a country of these people. What we see in the obama family, thats our new normal. I want to ask you one quick other question before i let you go. Tom foley, very sad about his passing. Wanted to just get your thoughts on him. Yeah. Well, theres a great example. Happened to be in my book. I went to him in 1982 ready to beat reagan. He said it was time to raise revenues going too far with cutting taxes and spending in 1981 and came back and said can we cut a deal on raising revenues . My way of writing the speech for tom. He said, will he be tough enough . I went to foley. Rae agains wrong on everything but this time hes right. Foley said to me, why dont we just say this time hes right instead of whacking him hard before agreeing with him and foley went on National Television and wowed the country not saying hes an s. O. B. And this time hes happen to be right. I wanted to say a broken clock is right twice a day. I wanted to stick it to him. Foley was a yeah. He said, no. We are on Common Ground. Lets act that way. Unite the country and make up for the excesses and we did it and tip said a star is born and everybody was happy. And we needed a moment like that. We need signings ceremonies. If you wont buy it, look at the signing pictures. They smiled in the ceremonies on social security, tax reform, the Northern Irish stuff. They could reach agreement. The job of a professional politician to reach agreement. You know . Chris matthews, thank you so much. Karen, great show. Thank you. No. Thank you. The book is tip and the gipper. Catch Chris Matthews every weekday 7 00 p. M. Eastern here on msnbc. And when we come back, facts get in the way of a good yarn on fox news and only took three phone calls to unravel it. Well explain when we come back. Republicans are now whining. Democrats are whining. Theyre all just a bunch of whining babies. The republicans are saying they have nothing out of the deal. Thats not true. They got eight years of hillary. Thats what were talking about. When you have diabetes like i do, getting the right nutrition isnt always easy. First, i want a way to help minimize my blood sugar spikes. 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The Small Business owner who said he and his wife had to stop hiring because of obama care, its not true. They have four employees and obama care only affects companies with 50 or more. So not a fact. The other two couples complained of rising premiums but when pressed on the phone, they admitted they didnt try to sign up for obama care. The Fact Checkers from montana ran the numbers and actually found a plan for each couple to save at least 60 off of what they are now paying. Were going to wait and see if fox will correct the facts. Ahead, the center of it all. What washington can learn from the rest of america where 51 agree on a lot more than you think. Recent in washington, unfortunately, we have seen examples of the wrong kind of leadership. When politicians choose scorched earth over Common Ground, when they operate in what i call the evidencefree zone we went out and asked people a simple question how old is the oldest person youve known . 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Well, washington is polarized after weeks of brinksmanship, faux filibusters, shutdown and near default, it turns out that outside of washington theres a lot more that americans agree on than you might think according to a new survey of nbc news and esquire magazine. A majority of americans consider themselves in the center and dont fit into traditional definitions of red versus blue. Quote, the center is real, passionate and persuadable. It leans democratic but a majority of those in the center agree with a mix of republican and democratic ideas. Now, this group of voters show a majority consensus coming to their views of the country. And on social issues, this Majority Center overwhelmingly backs issues like paid maternity leave, raising the men mum wage, gay marriage and abortion rights. Similarly, recent focus groups of walmart moms across the country also show that while theyre unhappy with washington, the idea of compromise isnt such a dirty word anymore. Did you hear that, Speaker Boehner . Could the mood of the middle have an impact on the 2014 midterm races next year . Joining me are two guests. Welcome to you both. Hi, karen. Pleasure to be here. Great. M margey i was fascinated to listen to the conversation with the walmart moms and so interesting how, you know, theyre definitely frustrated with washington. One of my favorite lines was, you know, theyre basically doing everything we were taught in kindergarten not to do but they have a lot of faith in the country, in themselves. Theyre hard working people. Theyre making tough choices. Theres just a Fascinating Group of women to listen to. Yeah. It was a great project. Neil and i have been working together, studying walmart moms for years and we frequently hear moms talking about all the daily struggles that they have. Trying to keep the trains running on time in their family. A higher status or lower Socio Economic status, they have a variety of worries to make sure that their families are doing okay but thinking of washington, they see washington has having gone off the deep end and need to rely on themselves and families and loved ones to have the kind of live they want and look at washington as a place where now maybe a mom needs to come in and step in and clean things up because washington is behaving like a bunch of children. They use that kind of language. Neil, i love that part. I love the part there was one group i know talking about they were saying basically we need more women. Women will come together and get it done and men are too worried about ego. Well, you saw that at the end of the focus groups where, you know, one women said we need a tough woman bitch. Its like, whoa. Whoo. You know whats interesting about the groups is these women are relentlessly optimistic in their personal lives in terms of their family and how theyre trying to insulate their families from the economy and from everything. You know, negative thats happening. But theyre also ruthlessly negative to washington, toward the dysfunction here but what i thought was also interesting and you kind of alluded to it but i think these women are losing faith in the country. That there is a sense that americas on the decline and that the future really is a square place for them. And i think you saw that in those groups. The dysfunction of washington kind of comes down to their level and it makes them wonder, you know, whens around the corner . Doesnt give them a lot of confidence. Margey, a couple of things thats interesting, one, this idea of wanting to elect people who would come and Work Together and compromise where possible and get things done. I mean, that seemed like a popular idea instead of what i feel like we heard in 2010 which was, you know, burn it down. Right. I mean, you have seen this in national polling, too. A majority of democrats wanted democrats to compromise. A majority of republicans wanted to see republicans compromise. And you saw it in the focus groups where moms say, well, just do your job. If you knew what my day was riglike and what i had to do, you wouldnt i cant decide today i dont get along with the coworkers and walk out on the job, why do you get to get a half day, get benefits and go on vacation, those are the exact kinds of words they use. They see this different set of standards that washington holds itself to versus what they have to go through. The way they describe washington was in family terms. They describe them as kindergartners or toddlers that cant get along. What i thought was interesting after sort of watching the focus groups and then looking at this nbc esquire poll, the center idea comes through very strongly and struck me in terms of party ideology, seems like they dont want to be identified with one label or another. And that they agree with some ideas that democrats or republicans have. It is really interesting because were living now in the most hyper partisan political environment that the countrys ever seen. In terms of just the partisanship of americans. And you see it exacerbated here in washington. But the same point in time, you have a vast middle out there in terms of ideology and issues so the partisanship isnt matching up to the ideology and the issues so while washington is the worst example of partisanship, those americans in the middle of the 50 , you know, kind of seem somewhat lost in this. You know, i think they feel like theres chaos in washington and frustration they cant get anything done. Right. Thats the thing. Like, what is the goal . You know, theres fighting in washington and just seems to a lot of moms and voters that the fighting is just it has no purpose. Its an end of itself. Its partisan bickering without trying to accomplish something to help people. Right. I found this all fascinating. I enjoyed listening to the women say, you know, one of the things i care about deeply, voting, staying engaged and sounded like thats something that they were going to stay engained nor 2014 and interesting to see i wish we had more time and interesting to see kind of coming up in 2014 if the middle actually has an influence on the outcome of the election and if we get more moderate types or more fewer toddlers maybe and more people willing to Work Together. Well see. Karen, these women voted republican in 2010 and for obama in 08 and owe 12 so theyre up for grabs for dle 14. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Next, this is your brain on oreos. 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On Immigration Reform it is a fact that in the latest gallup poll, 87 said that they would vote for a pathway to citizenship. That idea that conservatives seem to love to hate. But despite these facts, senator cruz told abc hes going to keep up the fight. So you would do it again . I would do anything and i will continue to do anything i can to stop the train wreck that is obama care and i think our focus should not be on d. C. Politics. It should be on the people getting hurt. Getting hurt . Okay. I agree with you but, senator cruz, how did your shutdown help the more than 944,000 texas women, infants and children who participate in the wic program in july alone . How about the fact that railroad over 4 million texans in the Food Stamp Program each month or the fact of 5. 7 Million Texans Without Health Insurance its the worst in the country. But who needs health care, right . Speaking of health care, cruz made quite a claim this morning to the texas medical association. My top priority in office is focused on one thing. And that is Economic Growth. Restoring Economic Growth because jobs and Economic Growth, Economic Growth is ant sedent to solving every other problem we have. Your shutdown cost our economy 24 billion. And as many as 250,000 jobs. That is moving in the wrong direction. Joining me now, msnbc contributor and the Washington Post opinion Writer Jonathan capehart. Great to see you as always. You, too. You wrote about this this week. This question of who are they listening to . The Tea Party Folks from red states and looking at red states, a report out this week in the south you see the highest percentage of Public School children who are poor and rely on the very programs that they want to cut. Awe also see in terms of needs for health care an reliance on those Government Programs they like to rail against. So, you know, just im so tired of this rhetoric. Who are you listening to . They love to say theyre listening to the American People but who ted cruz is listening to is a narrow sliver of the electorate that gives him money so in the Third Quarter of 2013, so from july to september, all the way up to september 30th including the time of senator cruzs big 21hour talkathon on the floor of the senate, he raised 1. 19 million. Its a lot of money. Yes. Imagine the Fourth Quarter report looks like encompassing the 16 days of the shutdown. Right. For ted cruz and ted cruzs followers, what he is doing is what they want him to do and theyre rewarding him with money. Like you said, its all about the benjamins. You wrote about this this week. Cruzs clearly very much aligned with the Heritage Foundation and Heritage Action. So, you know, i feel like really in all these negotiations what did ted cruz and jim demint think . Thats where well make the deal. How much do you think cruz relies on the help of heritage for fund raising . Oh sure. Look. Well, obviously, he will take the money where he can get it. And actually, if you look at it this way. Youve got senator ted cruz on the inside wrecking havoc and you have heritage on the outside wrecking havoc. Senator cruz using the rules of the senate and just being in the halls to basically circumvent or subvert whatever Speaker Boehner was trying to do in terms of averting a shutdown and then Heritage Action on the outside pressuring members of congress to not vote for pieces of legislation that would have ended the shutdown and so as we saw after the vote what happened . Two organizations came out saying that they were going to help primary challenges for senator Mitch Mcconnell and senator thad cochran and see the narrow band of folks in the house to exert influence over the rest of the republican majority. We also learned today that this week senator cruz as you say, using the rules of the senate blocked the fcc chairman nomination and why . Because he didnt like his answer on transparency essentially. He had blocked it was the confirmation of tom wheeler from the fcc saying he wanted greater shurns from the president s nominee that the agency wouldnt require more funding disclosure for more tv ads. Cruz has said that such free speech should be protected. Who are we protecting . The people with the money. Not the little people. Right. And so senator cruz is being transparent about it. If hes listening to the American People as he and other conservatives people in texas. People of texas, they wouldnt be doing any of the things that theyre doing now. Jonathan capehart, always great to see you. Thank you. You, too, karen. Please dont forget to share your thoughts. You can join us on facebook and twitter. Well see you right back here tomorrow afternoon at 4 00. Customer erin swenson ordered shoes from us online but they didnt fit. Customers not happy, im not happy. Sales go down, im not happy. Merch comes back, im not happy. 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