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Challenge to russian president Vladimir Putins iron grip on the country. This weekend, one of his closest allies Yevgeny Prigozhin leader of the Wagner Mercenary group turned against him, staging a 24hour revolt. Prigozhin mobilized his army of soldiers for hire to March On Moscow and suddenly he turned around and called it. Off and be Sears Kier Simmons is in moscow with the latest. Years in russia tonight, State Television is not showing these stunning images. Russians cheering for the leader of this weeks aborted rebellion. His soldiers as they leave the city of rostovondon. Their mutiny is bringing the country to the brink of chaos less than 24 hours ago when Yevgeny Prigozhin, the leader of the wagner group had a March To Moscow and response to what he called an attack on his fighters. Tanks and mercenary troops took to the streets, moving within 120 miles of the russian capital. Before unprecedented deal with President Putin, it was brokered by another president , belarusian leader alexander lukashenko. Apparently allowing the man behind the insurrection to go unpunished and into exile. It was the biggest challenge to Vladimir Putins power in 23 years. The president called prigozhins rebellion a betrayal. And a stab in the back. What is striking about, it it is internal. The fact that you have from within someone directly put questioning the authority of putin, over the weekends, wagner forces were coming out of ukraine and going into russia, toward moscow, in and of itself that is extraordinary. Nbc news has learned that u. S. Intelligence agencies were aware that prigozhin was planning a challenge to russias senior Military Leaders briefing congressional leaders about it last week. According to a source familiar with the matter. At the very, least President Putin has more problems today than he did yesterday with unknown consequences for his socalled special Military Operation in ukraine. There is a lot to break down. Lets get right to it and bring in democratic congressman Eric Swalwell of california. Hes on the Homeland Security committee. Thank you for being here tonight what is your reaction as you watch whats happening over this weekend in russia. Its clear that russia is not as unified as ukraine. Its not as unified as the United States and the Nato Alliance that we stitched together. We have to be careful not to interpret this as, you know, some precursor to what they call an east zorra. It would be a spark. In russian, they say from a spark a fire can flare up. I dont see this as a revolution that is about to take. Place what i see here is probably a little bit of delirium from prigozhin who has leveraged some of his concerns about battlefield readiness in the public to get more resources. And i think that here hes not seeking a revolution. He was seeking a command and control change. It does show that there is unrest in russia. For ukraine, they should lean in the counter offensive. Given all that weve, seen are we concerned about right russia might do in ukraine next . At least this was humiliating for them. Putin will want to show some sort of force here. Well, you know, putin has the benefit of state controlled. Media we look at this with a western perspective. We think, well, how embarrassing this must be. Hes going to have to lash out. The truth is, the best thing about this conflict, victor needs whatever Vladimir Putin wants to declare to be. They the problem he has now, he is probably going to have to Rob Resources from the battlefield in ukraine to better protect himself. Prigozhin move so fast. We never saw the Russian Military move that Fast Inside Ukraine the way that prigozhin put moscow at risk. We can only mean that putin is probably going to have to take resources away from ukraine to protect himself and thats where i think we have to look at this as russia fumbling the football on their own 20 yard line. So lets really do use the counter offensive to take advantage in the east. So, how do you think our Administration Needs to handle putin and the kremlin after this . What changes . Well, i think it has to always be about the territorial integrity of ukraine. Never to suggest that we are for regime change. For one, we are awful when we try to do a regime change. Two, to putin, putins russia and russias putin. So, if he sees this as the United States trying to foment regime change, if the russian people see, that they may be more likely to support him ratcheting it up and using a tactical nuke on the battlefield. I think just support ukraine as they make advantage to push russia out. Russia, again, they are going to be, theyre going to see their resources in decline as they have to move them to protect moscow. We dont have to do anything behind the scenes for regime change. And we do better if that was organic anyway. What are your republican colleagues saying about all of this . Well, there is responsible republicans who have supported the effort. There is the putin curious and the putin block. In their inaction, like Speaker Mccarthy who has said essentially is not gonna be any funding for ukraine, essentially helping putin. And thats right unity right now is so important. If we can do all we can right now to help ukraine make this push as russia is on its heels, this could change the course of the conflict and get russia finally out of ukraine. Given what has just happened this weekend do you think it makes things harder or easier to get congress on the same page to pass more for ukraine . He understands the importance of this. Senate republicans, Senate Democrats and alignment. You have House Democrats and the leadership on the republican side, at least on the Committee Sidearm Services Foreign affairs. Speaker mccarthy, he has this dirty deal with Marjorie Taylor greene, matt gaetz, others, to stay in power. He can only go as far as they want to go. If you want to be a leader and recognize that this is a moment right now, we can do this. We can increase funding. If he sees himself as more important than what happens on the battlefield in ukraine, they are going to really suffer. Bacon not me this opportunity. What is the number one thing you want people watching to understand about what is happening in russia. This weekend was very confusing. There is a lot of misinformation out there. Yeah, this is only about ukraines territorial integrity. The United States is not trying to foment a revolution in russia. If we were seen as doing that, i think it would actually backfire. This has to be what the russian people want. That is the position that the Biden Administration thats what Secretary Blinken has been saying today. So, we should let that take shape. We should also understand that prigozhin, anyone that would follow putin is very likely going to also be like a murderous thug. Youre not going to replace them with navalny or an angel. Its going to be someone who probably also has pretty nationalist feelings about russia. Not pro ukraine at all. So, we have to be prepared for that. We have to be wideeyed as we go into this. I gangster for a gangster, congressman, thank you for joining us tonight. I appreciate it. My pleasure. Thank you, stephanie. With, that lets bring in our lead off panel this evening. Former white house senior director and former state Department Senior adviser kevin baron is here, the Executive Editor of defense one with more than 20 years in washingtons defense. National security and foreign affairs. William taylor, former u. S. Ambassador to ukraine, he is also the United States institute of peace, Vice President for russia and europe, ambassador, lets start with you. Your reaction to what we have seen play out over the last 72 hours. Stephanie, the remarkable thing, the weakness of President Putin. His grip on power seems to be shaken. His ability to act seems to be constrained. He had to go to president lukashenko is not known to be a heavyweight in this area in order to get some kind of agreement. Im not entirely clear on what lukashenko brought to the table. I think the big message was the weakness of President Putin and this is to the advantage of the congressman of human crime. Ukraine has an opportunity to take advantage of this turmoil. Of this fracture at the top of the kremlin. Kevin, same question to you. Your reaction to this weekend. Well, im looking at a couple of things. One, like the ambassador, how do the ukrainians take advantage of this. How is the west helping them. Most importantly, on the ground. Its territory. Thats the name of the game. We were watching this counteroffensive slowly unfold. And now what happens, how distracted are the russians of the wagner fighters . Beyond that, i think i am looking at the longer term gain of what happens to the big picture future of russia. The endgame is not just ukraine pushes russia out. The endgame is what happens putin is gone. Weve heard from a long time that nobody was sure or hot that if putin was gone. I think that made this clear. Again, if you think of prigozhins weekend as something less than a fullsize coup, you didnt want to take over and sit in the kremlin and run moscow. He just had some beef about how he was being treated. Hows men were being treated. Well, nothing else really changes in moscow other than we know putin is in a weaker state. There is a longer term and a short term to treat attention to. Niagara, what is your reaction . One up but includes his idolize, someone who helped execute his imperialist vision on the world stage, suddenly, not only walking away from the agenda, but challenging at. And saying that he wants his own piece of the pie. You dont march a Paramilitary Group toward the capitol because you think the guy in the kremlin is doing a great job. In fact, for several months, prigozhin has been talking about how the Ministry Of Defense, the russian army itself, has been failing in ukraine and that his people who are mercenaries, he has been called a warlord, are the ones that are bearing the brunt of putins vision. This is not a unified group of individuals who are executing putins agenda. The folks who have been on the fence when it comes to defending ukraine, like saudi arabia, like turkey, like china, they should take notice that russia and putin in particular is not all in alignment. Not as powerful as we seem to think it is. Ambassador, there are endless reasons why Vladimir Putin should be challenged. How surprising is it to see this particular person, a man that putin essentially made be the one to do it . He did make prigozhin. Youre exactly right, stephanie. And this is another bad decision that President Putin made. Now hes made several that are big ones and bad ones. Big and bad decisions. Obviously, the decision to invade his neighbor, to invade ukraine. That is a big blunder. And then to give prigozhin the ability to do things, resources, the ability to take prisoners out of jail, to put them on the front line. To emphasize what prigozhin is doing. And then the emphasize what putin is doing. So, putin has made some real mistakes here. Prigozhin is one of them. Kevin, what does it say that the wagner group was able to get so close to moscow in such a short amount of time . , yeah ive heard people talk about this. I think that a little bit of grain of salt. This is not the same as if the u. S. Army was on its way to moscow and made it that close or any nato country. It was supposedly a friend of putins. These are russians advancing toward russians. So, of course it was surprising that there wasnt as much of a fight put up to keep them from getting anywhere near. There was a fight. Men died yesterday in this advance. I think it showed the speed at which it happened. It caught everyone by surprise, including moscow. And it shows a bit of the slowness of the response. Ive had some analysis that points out that there is a lack of supply and planning the echelon, if you think of the russian flinch as the part of ukraine that behind those lines, behind the staging grounds, it was not much of a defense. You wouldnt expect that. Russias always been someone coming from moscow. So, it was, you know, an unplanned event with an unplanned defense. I wouldnt go farther than that and say that somehow this is an opening for the u. S. To do anything inside of russia or for the if anything, it is what people are using to demonstrate, theyre using it to say, call putins bluff for any of the hesitation you may have had to get more advanced weapons to ukraine. Like the attack, it was like f16s. Or to make a move on crimea. These bigger moves that some western leaders have been afraid would trigger putin into some response against the rest. A lot of those folks think, hey, putin could get its act together yesterday. Take advantage. This shows how to shovel they are. Maybe you could go for crimea. Maybe you could put that more advanced stuff. And maybe this counteroffensive could be far more aggressive and really, were afraid of something we dont need to be afraid of. Now your, at what will all of this mean though for the future of the wagner group . Prigozhin is not a hero in this case. He is somebody who has taken money to be brutal on the battlefield. Everywhere from syria to ukraine. Many of the atrocities that we have been covering and weve heard and documented have been conducted by his group of people. Absent to his leadership on the battlefield, there is, as kevin, said an opportunity for allies and for the ukrainians to be moving forward. It also shows that the idea of negotiating with putins is not the path forward. Putin does not have a grip on the battlefield. In fact, he doesnt have a grip on the Ministry Of Defense. Hes lost a dozen or more on the battlefield. One of his closest allies is now effectively walking away from him. Executing his vision. Putin does not have that Negotiating Power to determine how to carve up ukraine as some of suggested. What he can do is withdraw and end the war. Anding it really is up to putin. The United States, the allies, and ukraine need to keep the pressure in that regard. Ambassador, does what happened this weekend changed relations between russia and the u. S. , russia and any other country in the west . It does, it suggests that as kevin was saying earlier, putin is less powerful, hes less influential, he has less of a grip. That suggests that there are things that we could and should be doing in particular to support the ukrainians in this counteroffensive at the weapons that they them have said and we really need. , yes the weakness that President Putin has shown does affect him. They probably affect some visavis china. China was always saw President Putin as the junior partner, the Little Brother. And now the Little Brother is less powerful than even they thought. Others around the world are noticing that as well. Kevin, can you dig deeper for us . We are doing some coverage on the wagner group and who they are. Put into context who they are and what they have done for putin and specifically prigozhins role in that. Who this guy is. To add to what bill, said dont, forget there is a nato summit in three weeks. All of this is happening and it hasnt changed the relationship with nato with the United States. Youd expect that there is much more emboldened set of leaders going to that event. In the last couple of weeks, a lot of us have been reporting about how the bachelors and leaders are talking about what they should announce at that conference. Should they announced that they are officially going to ukraine to give them a path to membership. I would assume that this weekends events give them a lot more courage to go down that path. As far as the wagner group, the wagner groups, you, know was the largest private Military Force we knew of consequence. As nigh are said, they worked in syria. They worked in africa. They were in ukraine. They are doing bad things and all these places. They are acting as a lot of these Military Contra Charter groups do. The worst of it, they are completely unbound by any kind of ethics and any kind of moral code that a lot of soldiers have become part in the west. So, they are sent to do their dirty work. The thing, is almost all of russias work is dirty work in these areas. They operate in areas where the United States has, frankly, pulled out out of it. They are active in syria where the United States used to be. When they try to they got wiped off the map. They are active in places where the world is not looking. In dark corners where people are suffering. Resources are being exploited and bad deals are made and bad. Dictators and leaders. The west is letting it happen. So, turning to ukraine. We all know the story that the russian army could not do the job. Incomes wagner group. And thats when things get nasty. The last few weeks have been the real of what a lot of folks think was coming. There is no way this force could sustain itself. To be side by side with the russian army for very long before this was going to happen. They would be competing interests and battlefield plans. There would be competing strategic sir, enough one of them trying to fight back. So, its a cautionary tale for the world to allow actors like this to go unchecked and will reap what we sowed with this group. Well, i am letting we have a lot more questions to go through tonight. We are going to take a quick break. When we come, back a Special Edition of the 11th hour continues. We are just getting underway on a sunday night. We need to dig deep on what this means for ukraine. People in ukraine, and what they are saying tonight. Ay sing tonight. V, i didnt know who i would be. But here i am. Being me. Keep being you. And ask your Healthcare Provider about the number one prescribed hiv treatment, biktarvy. Biktarvy is a complete, onepill, onceaday treatment used for hiv in many people whether youre 18 or 80. 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We have all sorts of new questions that putin is going to have to address in the weeks and months ahead. Secretary of state Anthony Blinken spoke earlier today about cracks and glen robertsons authority. Our panel is still with us this evening. Ambassador taylor, what if youve been hearing for people in ukraine about all of this . They are very pleased, stephanie, you wont be surprised. They are enthusiastic about their chances. Their preparations, they are united as never before. This is i was before all this happened. Even then, their preparations well along. As we know, kevin described it earlier. They are probing along this long line. The defensive line. They are looking for the weakness. And now they have another weakness. Wagner folks have pulled out. Wagner the russian soldiers are probably down 25,000 or 50,000. There are weaknesses on the russian line that the ukrainians are eager to take advantage of. They have morale and they have enthusiasm. They see that now its the time. They are excited that there is a possible crack in the system that they see putin being vulnerable. They are not excited about the wagner group. I, mean there are certainly no friends to ukraine. Not a bit. They are not. Friends the wagner group is now pulled out, they are no longer on the front line with the russians facing the ukrainians. That is a hole in the line. The russians have to find troops to plug this. Kevin, we have the same videos showing russians and everyday civilians cheering on the wagner forces as they left. We also saw people taking selfies with prigozhin himself. What does that tell you about what every day russians are thinking right now . It goes back to what you said in our last segment. They have very limited information. It state run media controlled by putin. It shows how little we know about them. Weve heard from all along. Especially moscow, who have all this information, they have been cut off in the world. They are more inclined to support the states and to support the regime, in the south, we have the ones who are closer to ukraine. There are more russians who are anti ukrainian. Theyve been involved in the conflict for much longer. It is a mix. I dont know, im not an expert on russian opinion, if you ask all those people why those two tearing, well get more answers for it. I guess thats my best guess. Why do you think they are cute or hearing him on . Its very interesting. Its not just prigozhin. You have progress reported a couple weeks ago, the two other organizations made up of russian citizens, to the hundreds to battalions that invaded russia. They move from ukraine into russia. They moved into belgrade. Its not just prigozhin. There is a sentiment among russians in opposition to putin. So, its not just prigozhin. Weve seen this in other places. What do you think putins next move is going to be a . Why prigozhins been really affected, with a, staff is building his own narrative. Its not the putin aired of. The entire time that he has been brutal to the people of ukraine, and hes also been speaking openly about how in affected the Ministry Of Defense. Is he has to artemis, one of them is the guy who is the defense minister. The other one is the person putin, the general that putin put in charge of commanding the Russian Military and ukraine. So, that is part of the aura, that proportion built for himself. Its part of why some people in russia were cheering him. Whatever success russia had been getting, they had been seeing it as due to prigozhin and his own mercenary army. Now, that are, me as ambassador, said not on the battlefield anymore. Theyve now got an official pardon despite 24 hours ago being called part of a treason march towards moscow. So, that is something that is a crack in the fissure that can certainly be exploited by the Western Allies and by ukraine. Just because putin is now consolidating his support around his Ministry Of Defense, it doesnt translate to success in ukraine for him. Kevin, what do you think putins next move is . Well, hes got to break the ship a little bit. Hes waiting to see if his side of this alleged deals going to happen on monday. It is Monday A Holiday For Moscow . I dont know if that was resolved. Part of the deal we were told was that they are going to switch the leadership. Hes going to get rid of the military chief. So, that is step one. Beyond that, what is he going to do about ukraine . Does he keep the foot on that gas, does he change pace does he cut and run and try to find some ways out of it . And what to do about the wagner forces, they mentioned it before. Either they are, if they werent involved in, this the uprising, then they can become part of the or they can have a partner of some kind. They are off the hook. They can just leave. That is thousands of and it could be a sizeable expansion of the Russian Armed forces, they have to focus on all of those things, again while looking at ahead of the strategic elections. Ahead including the nato summit on the border in lithuania three weeks ago. Tomorrow will no longer be a holiday essentially today, because it is the morning in moscow now there is not going to be any holiday celebrated. I want to play something our friend and obvious expert ambassador Michael Mcfaul said earlier. Throughout this war theres been lots of debates about putin needs to say face, he needs exit ramps, youve heard these metaphors 100 times. He will never quit. And yet here we have the play of that. Putin was very tough in his address to the russian people, by the way. We are going to squash these traders, were going to give them justice, and yet hours later he backed away. Mike is right these, absolutely right. President putin backed down all of the concern about putin being so tough not backing down, never taking an off ramp its wrong. He has backed down, he blinked. Both sides did. Both sides did both prigozhin and putin both blinked. The swerved in the game of chicken. What do you think . I wouldnt be surprised if putin is making some phone calls to friends in china, or potentially even to saudi arabia trying to shore up the allies that he had, or at least had kept neutral against the nato allies who have an upper hand at this moment. Now that upperhand only gets maintained if nato allies in United States move beyond rhetoric of support, and do provide the resources and equipment that ukrainians have been asking for since day one. The longer this war continues the more it does play to putins advantage. Because it is being fought on the ukrainian home front. We saw a engagement happen in russia, but we did not see 80,000 people disappear from an entire city and that city be raised as it has been in ukraine. So the longer this continues the harder it is for ukrainians to get a true victory. And this is an opportunity, then. While putin is on the back foot, while he is still trying to shore up his own Military Engagement internally and how he manages his strategy for the nato allies to really go all in on supporting ukraine. But we havent seen that vigor come out yet. So putin is going to be trying to shore up some of his support at the same time. And you think you will get that support, kevin . When he dials up china or saudi arabia now theyve seen him blink or seen at least a shred of weakness. Do you think they will be de there to take his call . I think they will because the whole premise behind these great State Leaders has always been that nobody in the outside world has a say what goes on inside. Thats why they can exist as autocrats and dictators. Thats how they hold the Security Council close. So anything that looks like meddling instead of russia chinas going to oppose. Now are they going to come to his aid and save him . Are they going to come to help out with the war . . Those are different questions, and maybe you would get some lower level support but i would see China Jumping into this war. I do think when we are talking about exit ramps and putin blinking. How he responded to prigozhin in this ridiculously have asked attempt to come to moscow i would not try to, im not saying the ambassadors doing this but other more i would not expect that putin would act in the same way or be as quick to blink or negotiate or have any kind of similar reaction if it was nato that was pressuring him. If it was the United States that was pressuring him. Or some kind of outcome from ukraine. But again this is one of his friends, this is chef. A guy he brought up, a guy he thought he controlled. So i understand the idea that putin is not infallible, and he showed some cracked this week for sure, but anyone who thinks send the troops to crimea, do everything you can right now, thats a bridge perhaps too far for my comfort zone. Ambassador, last word to you, and a reaction to the . I would say send the attack and have them go after crimea. Ambassador william taylor, kevin baylor, did you for being here on this very important of news coverage. When we come back, russia was already facing sanctions before the attempted rebellion. What it all means for Vladimir Putin when the 11th hour continues. Continues. Every day, more dog people, and more vets are deciding its time for a fresh approach to pet food. Theyre quitting the kibble. And kicking the cans. And feeding their dogs dog food thats actually well, food. Developed with vets. Made from real meat and veggies. Portioned for your dog. And delivered right to your door. 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Just last week European Union countries agreed on a new package of sanctions against russia over the war in ukraine. So lets discuss. A National Security and Public Affairs expert who spent a decade working for a government. And tom nichols oppressor him aired u. S. Naval war college. Lets start with what is your number one reaction to what weve seen transpire over the last 48 hours . For first and foremost it highlights putins weakness. And to have all these fissures and cracks out in the open and for him, as the ambassador said before, for putin to blink so quickly shows that he didnt want this to escalate. He didnt want to have a distraction, he didnt want to expand he certainly didnt want infighting to be so public. And the more time he let it go on the more there was a chance that he couldve had people prigozhin perhaps military defectors, and so on. This is not somebody i would normally call [inaudible] logical. These are both criminal thugs and more criminals. But he did have a moment of logic where you can see that it was in his interest to kind of deal as quickly as possible. But i do think he will exact revenge on prigozhin in belarus in the near future. Tom, with the most important thing to know . The most important thing is that its not completely in control of his own government. And that he may have doubts about the reliability of the parts of his own military. But, theres nothing much what we can act on except to keep supporting ukraine. But thats a really important change not just in russia but this obvious the this is the most serious challenge the i would say thats the most important thing, the myth of vulnerability around Vladimir Putin. Not just the last 48 hours but lets talk about the last week. Youve got sanctions piling up. Now this crisis, how bad is this for russia not just putin specifically . So one of the things that i learned when i was at the white house and i handled syria was that you cant bank on these dictators follies. Anyone who thinks that we are near the end, that putin is hanging by a thread and that this is its all unraveling. I would caution against thinking that. What it does show is that there are these cracks and fissures that are very real, these vulnerabilities that are very real. Putin was already weak, dictators are weak by nature which is why they crack down the way they do, which is why they behave the way they do. But he is as weak of position as hes ever been. And that makes a difference when you talk about how the ukraine war is going to end. Usually wars and in diplomatic negotiation and the entire purpose of supporting ukraine the way we and our International Partners do is to weaken russia as much as possible so that in a diplomatic negotiation ukraine is in the strongest possible position. So thats what i am thinking. That there are signs theyre finally, that we can be close to them that we can be nearing that. But that doesnt mean necessarily a putin is about to fall. He might not fall while his people continue to suffer. Hog are, how Better Things in russia economically . So lets dive into this a little bit. Russias economy is still functioning and its currency pretty much bounced back, relatively. It was never that strong to begin with, but it relatively bounce back after last years tough sanctions. The Sanction Regime against russia is one of the toughest out there, if not the toughest given russias ties to the International Financial system, given the reserves that they held here in the night states that they are no longer able to access. The sanctions imposed on russia are quite unprecedented, and extremely tough. I can tell you having worked in sanctions for a long time the sanctions only work once they do. And what i mean by that is that as they continue to deteriorate the economy, as they continue to isolate the regime or the targets, it can be hard to see whether or not theyre working because you dont necessarily see the immediate behavior change. But they take a long time by nature. And now russia has a few things that work in its favor and its the fact that it continues to sell its russian oil to india and china. China is never going to change that but india in particular i think its pretty much a slap in the face that they continue to buy russian oil and resell it. So the fact that they continue to be integrated, the fact they continue to Sell Russian Oil is something that was very different when we sanctioned irans oil, for example. This is what undermined the sanctions. Sanctions, as i said, overtime, and ill just highlight one statistic that was offered by the Treasury Department in march of this year which is that due to western sanctions and exports the Russian Military lost over 9000 pieces of its equipment and are desperate to try and find the right pieces of equipment to fix their tanks and so on. So this is an example of how sanctions work. But its going to take time to hit the economy. Tom, zelenskyy is taking this moment to reiterate that russia is unstable, that theyve gotten weaker. Is that the right move for him right now . Because putin being humiliated and unstable, that could really strike him to get crazier than ever. I dont think putin is particularly her by, at this point in a war of words with zelenskyy. I think zelenskyy is actually speaking to the International Community and thats a really important problem for putin. Its not whether zelenskyy thinks its whether china or india or others have just kind of accepted the fact of putins continued rule of whether they think that he is unstable. I think whether he is taking him from his enemy, tweaking him from what just happened, i dont think matters to him as much as how brutal hit he just took internationally in the eyes of the world and in the eyes of his own people. Assuming is people saw it, of course, he controls the media all across his country. Hoggard im going to keep you both around move a lot more to dig into on the other side of the break. But when we come back World Leaders again keeping a very close eye on this crisis. Just as tom said, what does this mean to the International Community . What will our next moves be . When the 11th hour continues. He 11th hour continues tourists that turn into scientists. Tourists photographing thousands of miles of remote coral reefs. That can be analyzed by ai in real time. 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The Biden Administration is keeping a close eye on the situation in russia tonight. The president spoke with the leaders of france, germany, and the uk to discuss the rebellion and reaffirm our support for ukraine. Who got chemali and tom nichols still with us. Hadar take us inside those conversations. How are World Leaders reacting . So everybody is likely trying to figure out how they can have an ordinary response to this development. I want to say that its a complete surprise in that i think its expected that you had these cracks and fissures continue to deepen, but nobody expected this kind of saga and certainly not to play out this way and certainly not like putins best but or former best but i guess. That said i remember at times of crisis in the white house the first thing that happens is you are looking to coordinate with your allies. It starts at the lowest level where they are trying to figure out one of the cordon talking points, where the next steps, what are the policies. The way i would view it if i were in the white house youve got this key moment where putins vulnerabilities are very publicly exposed now. So how are they going to take advantage of this when they know that all of these International Leaders and partners know and washington knows that the ultimate goal is diplomatic negotiations. So knowing that is now the time to ramp up and give ukraine the remaining weapons it has been asking for because there is this crucial moment where his vulnerabilities have been exposed. Also, by the way doesnt look like its going to be operating in ukraine anymore. You are still going to have the mercenaries like the joint Russian Military but theyve taken quite a hit at their abilities and capabilities inside ukraine this is the type of conversations they are having inside the white house and with all of the Partners Europe nato et cetera everybody who is supporting ukraine right now. Tom what do you think . One thing well worry about is you raise this in the last segments is that now putin is going to feel the need to lash out to really establishes credit home and in the International Community by doing something especially brutal. But the counter weight to that is that if youre going to do Something Like that you better have your military and political elites behind you. Youve got a House All You Reduction Revel for you decide to go down that road. One thing putin, you can only hope that he learned from this whole mess is that bumbling into a war that really nobody around him wanted is a horrendous mistake. The wagner guys, prigozhin was arguing that they lead putin into the, that the Ministry Of Defense led putin into this war. I do think thats the case, i think this was putins idea from the getgo. So for him to say well now you have to be pretty sure that people have his back. I think the one thing after this weekend is that he cant be sure that everybody around him has his back. Will china expressed their support for russia after the rebellion. After the rebellion, and they said well, you know, stabilities important. But there was nobody in the middle of this saying Vladimir Putins legitimate president of russia. I think again nato and washington were right to step back and say not our affair, we are not going to get into this. But the people that you might have expected to be a little more supportive of putin didnt really come out of the top brass until it was all over. I think thats revealing in itself. When they knew putin was okay, then they came in and said yeah, hes my guy. Our pal, we knew hed be okay. Just typical diplomacy that once its all over you say, of course, we always support stability and we have good relations with the government and so on, thats just policy when one. Once you already know whos basically going to win the game and its the bottom of the ninth its not that brave to say yeah, im on their team. 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It is Monday Morning in moscow and there are a lot of questions about what the next several days will bring. This weekend president Vladimir Putin faced the most serious threat to his leadership from a longtime ally amend putin essentially made Yevgeny Prigozhin