But it also went beyond that into darkness. The candidates spent a lot of time arguing over one another. Im not here to call out his lies. Everybody knows hes a liar. But you agree i just want to joe, youre the liar. You graduated last in your class, not first in your last. Mr. President , can you let him finish, sir . He doesnt know how to do that. Youd be surprised. You picked the wrong guy, the wrong night at the wrong time. Listen. Here the deal. Bernie sanders let him there is no manifesto. Let him speak. Number two. You just lost the left. You agreed with Bernie Sanders on a plan folks, do you have any idea what this clowns doing . And that was the incumbent president offering realtime political analysis such as it was. The pandemic was a big topic in tonights debate. Joe biden called out the president s response and his previous statements. This is the same man its all set up. By easter, this would be gone away. By the warm weather, it would be gone. Its like a miracle. By the way, maybe you could inject some bleach in your arm, and that would take care of it. Later in the debate, Chris Wallace asked the president if he was willing to condemn white supremacist groups in our country. Heres how that went. Are you willing tonight to condemn White Supremacists and militia groups. Sure. And to say that they need to stand down and not add to the violence in a number of these cities as we saw in kenosha and as weve seen in portland . Sure, im willing to do that. Go ahead, sir. I would say almost everything i see is from the left wing, not from the right wing. So what are you saying. Im willing to do anything. I want to sea peace. Then do it, sir. You want to call him what do you want to call them . Give me a name. White supremacists. Who would you like me to condemn . Proud boys, stand back and stand by. But ill tell you what. Ill tell you what. Somebodys got to do something about antifa and the left because this is not a rightwing problem. We are happy to be joined at the top of this hour by the democratic Vice President ial nominee, California Democratic senator kamala harris. Senator, thank you for joining us. My first question to you, what just happened . Well, america was presented with a very clear choice. On the one hand, you have joe biden, who has experience, who has poise, who has grace, who speaks with intelligence, who speaks directly in the camera to the American People about their situation. And then on the other hand, you have an angry, defensive donald trump, who spent full time interrupting, attempting to bully the process, including the moderator. You know, when i watched the debate, ill have to tell you, brian, i couldnt help but think about the people around the world who are watching the debate. And people have mentioned it on this network just minutes ago. But what it has done in terms of and what donald trump has done continuously since hes been in office, including tonight, to debase the office of the president of the United States, and that is our office. Its not his office. Thats the peoples office. And i think that the American People during this debate had a clear contrast in terms of what theyve got and what is possible and what they can have if they vote. Your name was invoked early. The nominee, joe biden, said, im the Democratic Party right now. The president interjected, not according to harris. What do you think he meant by that . God only knows. I dont know, brian. Im so beyond getting in the head of donald trump. But i will tell you i am absolutely focused on what donald trump has done and what he has not done. And as joe biden said tonight, donald trump was in possession of information as early as january of this year that there was a pandemic that could kill americans, and he lied about what he knew. He covered up what he knew. And we are now looking at over 200,000 americans who have died and over 7 Million People who have contracted this virus while donald trump, as joe said, is also in court trying to get rid of the Affordable Care act that brought Health Coverage to 20 Million People. The president held an event recently at the national archives, and the centerpiece of that was to make a change in parts of American School curriculum. Unheard of at the president ial level, the way he did it. He said tonight it was because the curriculum was teaching people to hate our country. But heres my question. Did we witness dog whistle in real time when he said the following. Quote, if you were a certain person, you have no status in life. It was sort of a reversal. Brian, what we saw was a dog whistle through a bullhorn. Donald trump is not pretending to be anything other than what he is, someone who will not condemn White Supremacists, someone who cannot say the phrase black lives matter, someone who is getting rid of training, of federal employees around the issue of race and the need to be aware of implicit bias. Its not a dog whistle. Literally hes talking through a bullhorn. Because parts of your home state are burning up and because, as part of my job, i look at the cal fire map of ongoing fires in the state of california on a daily basis, the president went there again tonig tonight. On dirty forest floors. He mentioned forest cities. Not clear what he was talking about. Put the blame squarely on Forest Management and not certainly not on Climate Change. I mean, brian, again its donald trump attempting to distract, attempting to distract from his failures, including his failure to embrace science. I mean part of the question during the debate last Night Incorporated the fact that he said science doesnt know. I mean, brian, seriously, the man was asked one time, well, science says this. And the president of the United States says, science doesnt know. Well, science does know. Science knows that we are facing a crisis in terms of the rapid changes to our climate, most of which can be addressed by changing and adapting in terms of our behaviors. Joe biden offered a clear plan for not only what we need to do to save our environment and our climate but what joes plan will do in terms of the creation of millions of jobs. And, again, its an attempt to distract from the fact that donald trump on almost every issue that was discussed tonight has had no plan. I was actually very impressed, not in a positive way, to hear that everything that donald trump talked about what was he was gonna do as opposed to what he has done. Track the debate. I dont know how many times i didnt count he talked about what hes gonna do. Hes been president for almost four years. Then when he feels like blaming anyone, he goes back to the Prior Administration and blames the Prior Administration for what he says its failures were without addressing the fact that hes actually had no plan thats been about addressing some of the Biggest Challenges facing our country even before the pandemic. And god knows what he has failed to do because of his incompetence in dealing with the damage in terms of human life, in terms of economic harm that has resulted from this pandemic that he has failed to get on top of and to address in a meaningful way. Final question, senator. As you look forward to your debate with mike pence, its been observed so many times they are such disparate figures. The president relies on hyperbole, and mike pence relies on what many have called a kind of straightfaced piety. He is still the head of the White House Coronavirus task force. We are still in the middle of a pandemic, and the president on mike pences watch is now seemingly getting medical advice from a radiologist from your home state. Thats a lot to unpack, brian. Where shall i start . Listen, first of all, the president has denied science since he first came in office. Ill tell you, i served for a while on the Environment Committee of the senate. And do you know that when donald trump and mike pence came into office as an administration, they took the word science and Climate Change off of various federal websites . Weve seen actually a through theme in terms of their approach to science. In fact, because, by the way, scientists are grounded in fact and proving fact, and there has been you know, we are seeing an administration, the Trump Pence Administration that has been completely unburdened by fact. Senator kamala harris, thank you so much for making time for us here at the top of the hour following that event, whatever it was that we just witnessed for 90plus minutes. Yeah. Greatly appreciate it. Thank you, brian. With that, we turn our discussion to our tuesday debate night initial panel, and that would be claire mccaskill, former democratic senator from the great state of missouri. James carville, veteran democratic strategist who rose to National Fame with his clinton president ial campaign work. Hes cohost of the 2020 politics war room podcast. And our own Lawrence Odonnells here with us, host of the 10 00 p. M. Hour on this network, of course. Along with eugene robinson, pulitzer prizewinning columnist for the washington post. Senator, let me begin with you. Same question i asked your former senate colleague, kamala harris. What just happened in your view . Well, im 80 sad and 20 mad as hell. It was a terrible thing to happen in our democracy. And i am really like had it up to here with anybody saying that theres some kind of false equivalency between these two debate participants. I thought joe biden by and large showed the kind of selfcontrol that we used to define as president ial. I thought donald trump showed exactly what he is, a bully who is unmoored, who is chaotic, who has no answers, who really exposed how badly he has been impacted by having the power hes had. And i dont think it will hurt him with his supporters, but its not going to help him anywhere that he is bleeding votes right now, particularly among women, particularly in the suburbs, and particularly with Older Americans that know this isnt the way we do this in our country. Hey, james, is it comforting or disquieting to know that this president was prepped . He always hates people to know that work or a challenge goes into anything, that anything is new to him. Im afraid this was the prep, to just let it fly. Well, what was interesting is he just chased the Television Audience away. I mean after 25 minutes of this, it literally was unwatchable, and hes seven to nine points down. Its not even trying to win the election. It was really strange. And i do give my friend biden i thought he was sharp. He answered the questions. He was very frustrated. Obviously who wouldnt be. But to the extent people had concerns about whether or not he was good on his feet, i thought he did really well tonight. But the whole story is trump, and trump needed a good story to get back in this race. And it seemed to me that it just chased i basically was paid to watch it and it was a struggle for me to get through 90 minutes. That was some tough television. Whew. Lawrence odonnell, how did joe biden do first . Well, joe biden did what he had to do, which was go in and maintain his lead. You know, when you have polling where you have a very clear frontrunner who in the polls tonight is winning and another candidate whos losing, really the only thing to watch is the guy whos in second place. What did he do to move up . For me, the only thing i was really watching from a professional standpoint was what did donald trump do to move up . What did donald trump do to change votes in his direction . I didnt see a single moment where that happened. But this is a debate that defies the tools that we normally bring to it at this hour, brian. In the last hour, rachel said that she feels that this debate needs something other than fact checking, but she wasnt sure what it is. Im not sure that i know what it is. I did get a lot of personal messages during this debate, and i just want to cede my time to one of them. This is a mother in washington, d. C. Who grew up in washington, d. C. And has the unusual Life Experience of not working in politics or government in washington, d. C. But she respects government. She sent me a photograph of her 11yearold daughter, and she wrote, my soul hurts. And i think she spoke for millions of americans with that text, and i think she spoke for my sense is that she spoke for millions of mothers like herself, mothers of 11yearold daughters who were watching that debate. Eugene, what do you think the reaction was in the households watching where they have lost a loved one to the coronavirus or the households watching who have a loved one in the armed forces or who, god forbid, have lost a child . They must have been appalled, as much of the nation must have been appalled. Just dont know what the hell that was that we just saw. I would kind of flip claires percentages. I think im 80 mad and 20 sad at this travesty. Donald trump did not come obviously to participate in a debate. He came to disrupt the debate. He came to prevent a debate because he clearly was not prepared to engage in any sort of debate on the issues, on whos more qualified to lead, on anything like that. He just came to try to demonstrate his i guess his supposed alpha maleness and his ability to dominate the situation. But as James Carville said and as Lawrence Odonnell said, to what end . He didnt succeed at all in advancing the Trump Campaign narrative about joe biden, which is that hes addled and senile and not up to the job. And, no, joe biden was on sharp and on top of it and right there and actually trying to engage in a conversation. So he didnt help himself there, and i wonder if he did anything but cast into doubt the remaining two president ial debates because i dont im not sure what the point would be in repeating this exercise if this is what its going to be like. The American People didnt learn anything really except that donald trump is a bully. They already knew that. Claire, i imagine when you were in the u. S. Senate, regardless of who voted for you or did not, you regarded the people of missouri as your constituents from kansas city to karthage down to joplin. What about the dissonance on display tonight . The president speaking in the third person about his home city, new york city, and how it may never come back, mentioning a laundry list of cities and states that had one thing in common, and that was Democratic Party leadership as if there is no other connection between him and those places. I do think that joe biden did a pretty good job tonight. He did get in at the end about uniting the country, that this shouldnt be about who runs what city. We shouldnt determine who gets aid for natural disasters or who we excoriate based on their party. We should all come together and try to solve these problems. And i also thought joe biden did a good job on health care and covid in the first part of the debate. I think he really made a strong case there. I think if you dropped in from another planet and watched this or if you just for the first time were being introduced to these people and had no background whatsoever, i think youd say, whats wrong with that guy . And the other guy sounds like he knows how to do this job. And thats really what i think joe biden wanted to do. I think he wanted people to see him as the president , and i think he did that tonight. I think hes the one who looked president ial tonight. The other one just looked like a joke. James carville, i guess, you know, im looking through my notes as is every journalist in the country right now, trying to pick out discussion points, points that were made. I heard from a lot of people too. Most of them were chiefly scared when the president took a pass on supremacist groups, when his message to the proud boys and their ilk was stand down but stand by. Look, i would hate to accumulate the cumulative years of this panel has, you and the four members of the panel. All of us have seen a lot in our lives. Were totally ill equipped to comment on Something Like that because theres nothing in history that informs us to what we just saw. If you look just the number of times, Chris Wallace should get combat pay if you just look at the number of times he had to chastise trump. I cant count it in the back of my mind. I mean this event nothing like this has ever happened in politics, in president ial politics, and i never thought id say this, but Vice President biden is going to have to think long and hard whether they want to put the country through this again. This accomplished nothing for trump, and i think biden did fine. But it was not a very good night for american democracy at all, i dont think. It was tough to watch. Hey, lawrence, since youre my television brother on this panel, two things. Can that serious discussion be had should the next two debates go on as scheduled . And what the president ial commission ever boldly enter this century with maybe a kill switch on mics to enforce rules and time limits . The president ial Debate Commission is always decidedly behind the times, and they, im sure, will stick to their catechism on this, which absolutely does not work. Twitter was filled with suggestions that the next moderators going to have to be able to turn off the microphone for two minutes of the speaker whose turn it is to listen because its the only way for that to happen. And of course donald trump being the biggest violator of that. Now, these rules have all been agreed to by both parties. As we all know, theres a very intense negotiation about the rules. And so turning off the microphones is something the president ial Debate Commission is not allowed to do without the agreement of both parties. The trump side will never agree to that because thats his entire debate strategy is to speak while joe biden is speaking. There is no other debate strategy, you know, if we can call it a debate strategy. I do think, brian, that Going Forward tomorrow night and not just through this week, but through history, probably the biggest headline that will live through history of this debate is the president of the United States refusing, refusing repeatedly to take a stand against White Supremacists. Each moderator must, must ask that question again and ask that question more than once in each one of these debates of donald trump. It cant be allowed to end the way it ended tonight. And if donald trump is going to go through every one of these debates refusing to take a stand against White Supremacy, that is something we have to get indelibly etched in the history of these debates. Eugene, do you concur with mr. Odonnell . I absolutely concur that that was the you know, in a night where as james said, weve never seen anything like this, so, you know, dont ask us. But i do think that failure to just say i condemn White Supremacy and white militia groups who foment violence in these situations, the refusal just to say that was absolutely stunning. And, yes, what he said about Racial Sensitivity Training and about how it was almost as if roles were reversed, that was also more than a dog whistle. It really was a bullhorn as senator harris said. I mean this is a president running on a white supremacist platform, and he needs to be challenged on it again and again if there is another opportunity to challenge him on it because, again, are we really going to repeat this . Are we going to have another two of these . And just one note about Chris Wallace, who i think did try his best, but clearly lost control because the president insisted on speaking over him as well as speaking over biden and just wanted to make a mess of it. But one mistake i think he did, i just dont think the integrity of the election was actually a proper topic for an entire section of the debate. I think that that framing plays into president trumps narrative of how the election somehow is automatically going to be rigged or its going to be a mess, and its all going to have to be litigated. I certainly would have wished he had either framed that a different way or not done an entire section on that because i think it gave too much credence to president trumps nonsense. Thats a great point. Im going to use it to inform questions to subsequent guests during our coverage. With our thanks to friends of this broadcast, senator claire mccaskill, James Carville, Lawrence Odonnell, eugene robinson. 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His latest work, a citizens guide to beating donald trump. And mike murphy is back with us as well, republican strategist, codirector of the center for the political future at the university of southern california. Memo to the university of southern california, im glad you think theres a political furth future after tonight. Hey, david, ill start with you. Why are we bothering with a discussion of the rules of format, of time limits, of moderators at all when we have just seen what is going to happen . Well, brian, you know, going back to 1960, in every president ial election, theres fierce negotiations around rules and moderators. But both sides play along. So trump now has broken all the norms. So heres the thing. No moderator Going Forward is going to be able to control trump if he acts that way. I also think joe biden cant not debate. I think you cannot, you know, cower to the bully because i dont think that debate helped trump. At the end of the day, trumps losing. Hes got to pull vote off biden. Hes got to win all the undecided voters. I dont think with those cohorts he did anything to help. He probably hurt himself quite a bit actually. So theres going to be a second debate. I dont think mike pence will act that way by the way. But i think in the second debate, you know, if trump acts that way, were going to have the same debate. So it was a terrible night for trumps chances for reelection, a terrible night for american democracy. I think it did nothing to hurt joe bidens chances. Now, maybe trump will come out and be somebody completely different. But, you know, if thats lets look back at 2000, brian, and mike knows this well. If al gore had sighed throughout all three of those debates, it wouldnt have been as close in florida. So if trump does this three times in a row, one i think the ratings are going to fall off a cliff. It was hard for me to get through it, and im a practitioner. I think by the third debate, youre going to have half the audience. But at the end of the day, you cant expect him to change. So whatever Conference Calls are had, whatever zoom meetings are held, trumps not going to listen to even what his campaign says. Hes going to do what he wants to do. Mike, youve had an r after your name for all your years in politics. Whats your guess . Are there high fives going on in the trump base and political circles tonight . Well, i think he pleased his most loutish supporters. But they dont matter. Theyre a culdesac. Theres a losing team. The question is did trump do anything tonight to get some of the votes he needs to win, and the answer is no. Trump is in trouble because men are split on him and women hate him, particularly in the suburbs. So this performance, this childish tantrum, this destruction of norms that he put on tonight not only didnt help him move the ball forward, i think it reframed the race a little bit. This thing is now a question almost regardless of ideology. Do you believe in democratic norms . Do you believe in respecting the rules that elections count . I mean im a conservative republican. I can disagree with joe biden all day long, but i watched tonight, and ive never been more, one, embarrassed, and, two, certain that donald trump is unfit to be president. I mean what does he have to do, set himself on fire . It was embarrassing. The question becomes now and i think i disagree a little bit with david on this. I do think the biden people could start a nice fight for about ten days over the idea of the next moderator having either a mic cutoff switch or a fire hose to try to regain some control. Trump will never agree to it. In the end, i think biden does have to debate again, but i think they can make a thing out of this because the centerpiece of our democracy of fair and civil debate was trashed and vandalized tonight, and there ought to be a price paid. Lets talk, mike, about another centerpiece of our semiautomatic and that is the presidency itself. We only have one at a time, and they live in a house that belongs to the people as we like to say, built buy swllaves, fir occupied by the adams. That was on display tonight. You get to be a temporary holder and keeper of that office. That was that guy onstage. Yeah. Look, the president is not only the head of government but the head of state. Its kind of a unique american thing. So you have responsibilities to reflect our values as a country regardless of rs have d. Theres so many things. I could list them all but theyre pretty obvious. The White Supremacy, you know, ignoring that, not condemning. The fact is he showed no respect to joe bidens son, who served admirably. I mean it just goes on and on. This guy is i dont even have a word for him. Hes kind of like a virus where he just consumes things for his own gratification, including the presidency, which is probably the main reason hes so terribly unfit to be president. And that was Crystal Clear. If you sat through this nightmare tonight and didnt get that, then you need your head examined. David, for all the good people who had the good fortune of missing this debate and perhaps join us for a recap, weve mentioned this white supremacist proud boys moment. Im going to play it. This runs all of 47 seconds. Well talk about it on the other side. Im willing to do anything. I want to see peace. Then do it, sir. Say it. Do it. You want to call them what do you want to call them . Give me a name. White supremacists. Who would you like me to condemn . Proud boys, stand back and stand by, but ill tell you what. Ill tell you what. Somebodys got to do something about antifa and the left because this is not a rightwing problem. So, david plouffe, what in your view there was a lot there. What happened in that moment . Well, brian, first of all, as you know, with every president ial debate, theres the nye night of and then theres the day after and the day after that and the day after that. And its really moments that live on, that you talk about in the media, that now get shared on social media. And thats going to be one of them. Its not just that he didnt condemn White Supremacists. It was a rallying cry to the proud boys. They already have a new logo out saying stand back and stand by. Okay . That was a call that trump wants them out at polling places, certainly after the election. So i think thats going to be a moment that the media is rightly going to cover and there will be a lot of chatter about. The other thing, the moment where joe biden talked about his son beau, his service, that he was not a loser as donald trump called other service members, who tragically died from cancer, trump ignored, just went on the attack. My suspicion for a lot of the swing voters out there would are still left, that really was going to turn them off. So i always look for in debates i tried to ork straight these back in the day. But now what are the moments that the average citizen will be sharing on social media that well still be talking about . And this proud boy moment, it wasnt that he refused to denounce them. He basically gave them a rallying cry, and theyre running with it right now. Mike, back to your point. If youre a sent i continent citizen, if you can fog up a mirror, if you learn in conversation that someone lost a child, you have to suppress your human reflex to say, im sorry for your loss. If you learn from someone that they have or had a kid in the service, you its reflexive to say, well, thank them for the you know, thank them for their service. Right. Thats easy. Thats as easy as breathing in and breathing out. The president of the United States took a pass on both. Yeah. Its really amazing, and i think one thing that even though this was such a train wreck, besides showing, you know, restraint that was impressive, i think Vice President biden you know, these things are an electron microscope on who you are, and we saw what trump is. We also saw bidens empathy, which is one of his defining things. And several times he turned to the camera or when he was defending his son and everything, you could tell joe biden is somebody who cares about people. Hes got a big part. Donald trump doesnt. It is just his nature, and i would say its his tragedy that he is almost sociopathic and it doesnt affect him. He doesnt think that way. He doesnt have that wiring, and it was pretty glaringly obvious. I think again as the very few undecided voters who are left, who by the way trump needs all of, are still weighing these two people, despite the mess of this tonight, that was pretty Crystal Clear to people, and i agree with david. I think that will auger to bidens benefit. Biden had some shaky moments tonight, but he was in an impossible situation. I thought he came through it pretty well. But the biggest thing that happened is trump took what little he has left, and he blew it up. You know, he just pushed himself way over the line. It was an epic fail. And as Nicolle Wallace was first to point out, that actually was the strategy. He was prepped. That was the result of his prep, what we saw tonight. Two pros in the business and friends of this broadcast, david plouffe, mike murphy, gentlemen, great to talk to you. Thank you for coming on on this night of all nights. Coming up for us, a coronavirus fact check with dr. Vin gupta as our special debate Night Edition of this broadcast continues. Hey, you alright . Find the nonpartisan facts behind the real stories at usafacts. Org what do i know . Im just a kid. Our generations too young to vote. I was one year off. Kind of gets me mad a little bit. The pressure for my generation to address the Climate Crisis is growing. We cant ignore the climate. Its really bad. I would say, to the older generation were living on this planet longer than they will be hopefully . So please please please please vote for me. Im daylan. Im gideon. Im amelia and i approve this message. I wear masks when needed. When needed i wear masks. Okay. Let me ask i dont wear masks like him. Every time you see him, hes got a mask. He could be speaking 200 feet away, and he shows up with the biggest mask ive ever seen. Over 206,000 of our fellow citizens have now died from this virus. The institute for Health Metrics and evaluation predicts that by election day, the death toll in this country will surpass 239,000. We have a friend of the broadcast back with us tonight, and that is dr. Vin gupta. Hes an e. R. Doc specializing in exactly these kinds of illnesses. Also an affiliate professor with the university of Washington Department of Health Metrics sciences. Doctor, i wont give a long preamble. Im curious as given your lifes work, your work with this virus, what did you make of the coronavirus portion of what the president , the leader of our country, had to say tonight . Brian, good to see you. So theres three categories id like to talk about all related to coronavirus. Number one is the discussion on health care that the president and Vice President had. Lets be clear. The president made a claim that 100 Million People in the United States dont have a diagnosed or underdiagnosed preexisting condition. That is false. If he wad s at the bedside cari for individuals actually caring for patients, remember what it was like to care for patients, this would know preexisting illnesses are rampant throughout the country. Up to 129 million americans have a preexisting condition. Why does that matter, brian . The president and his surrogates pushed forward the American Health care act in 2014. They wanted it passed. That would have resulted in 30 million americans without coverage for health insurance. That would have been devastating if the American Health care act actually got passed as were dealing with this pandemic. Lets move to covid19. The president likes to cite im saying this as a faculty member for the institute for Health Metrics and evaluation. This 2. 5 million lives saved number, hes inventing it. Ive been talking to colleagues all night. No one knows where that number is coming from. Its invented. Here is a number you can take to the bank. 120,000 to 150,000 lives would have been saved if the following things happened. A shutdown one week earlier nationally. If you issued strong federal directives. We did not do that. We know that. If he had acted when he found out that the virus was airborne on february 7th. Defense production act, producing n95 masks, or these threeply surgical masks that the usps actually delivered on their promise and sent five of these to every household in the country, lives would have been saved. Theres a whole host of things we can talk about regarding cove. Testing has been terrible. People still do not have ppe. Were again dealing with wildfires here on the west coast. A combination of covid exposure and wildfire smoke, we need highquality masks. We dont have it. Finally i will say on wildfires, specifically wildfires, the president does not take ownership for his own responsibility. 60 of forests on the west coast are under federal control. The majority of those lands are under federal control that are burning, and hes not doing a darn thing about it. So he needs to take ownership for his own inaction. Lets talk about masks, doctor. The president mocked his opponent for wearing one out of an abundance of caution. He did not give a fullthroated endorsement of masks, and he keeps wanting to frame it as if there was debate or dissent over masks, as if people were saying, no, dont wear one. I have to say one thing his Surgeon General will never live down was early on, his first public utterance on television about this virus was about the president s stamina and vir illity, and he is the one who said he didnt think people needed masks. He later admitted that was because he was worried about hoarding and worried about getting masks to people like you on the front lines who need it. But the time has come to be fullthroated in the endorsement of maskwearing because the math is right there. We know how many lives it will and is saving. I have two comments to that, brian. Number one, the Surgeon Generals solution to his mixed messaging up front was to tell us how to put up videos showing how to fashion underwear and jean jackets into robust cloth masks. That is not a solution. Our country is better than this. We can do highquality masks that protect all of us, teachers, custodial staff, bus drivers, not just doctors and nurses, and were still struggling too. So thats number one. And number two, to your point, and this gets to the point, brian. Everybody deserves a highquality mask. The president , the Surgeon General, they dont want to own this because they know that to be true. We all deserve highquality masks. We can do this, brian. We can teach people what a wellfitting mask looks like, how to fit them for a wellfitting mask. Its not above our capability. We just need leadership. I am so sorry for the dual challenges you are facing in the Pacific Northwest these days. Thank you for your passion as always and your expertise as always. Our guest tonight, dr. Vin gupta. Coming up after a break for us, more of our special coverage of this first president ial debate debate and whats supposed to be the first of three. Oure here. You dont trust me here is vegas, do you . Well. I thought we had a breakthrough with the volkswagen. We did. Yes. We broke through. Thats the volkswagen thats the cross sport. Wow. Seatbelts. Please, just tell me where were going. Who swapped bodieslar with a serial killer. Hes wearing my face. Hes like a wolf in sheeps clothing. I want my body back. Come and get it. Great, were gonna get killed by murder barbie. Are you sure this is safe . No. I cant wait to kill you. Youre black. Im gay. We are so dead. Freaky, right . The unfair money bail system. He, accused of rape. While he, accused of stealing 5. The stanford rapist could afford bail; got out the same day. The Senior Citizen could not; forced to wait in jail nearly a year. Voting yes on prop 25 ends this failed system, replacing it with one based on public safety. Because the size of your wallet shouldnt determine whether or not youre in jail. Vote yes on prop 25 to end money bail. Speaking of my son, the way you talk about the military, the way you talk about them being losers and being and just being suckers, my son was in iraq. He spent a year there. He got he got the bronze star. He got the Conspicuous Service medal. He was not a loser. He was a patriot. And the people left behind there were heroes. Really . And i resent are you talking about hunter . That was not the proudest moment for the president of the United States. I think we can all agree to that. For more we are pleased to welcome to the broadcast symone sanders, Senior Adviser for the Biden Campaign. Simone, i know your campaign has put out the fact that for an hour tonight during the 90minute debate, you raised more money than any other hour of the campaign thus far. Other than the optics of saying, we dont want to do this anymore, whats the upside in doing two more of these . Well, look, brian, first and foremost, you know, tonight you saw joe biden multiple times turn to the camera and speak directly to the American People at home. And so i think thats the upside. Look, people are hurting. You know, this pandemic, we are experiencing multiple crises, a Climate Crisis, a crisis of racial injustice, an economic crisis, and a Public Health crisis. So folks want to hear, you know, what is your plan to help us get out of this . I think one of the most powerful moments tonight was when Vice President biden turned to the camera at the end and talked about voting and reminded the American People that its us who has the power here. And if we go to the ballot box, if we participate in early voting, we can change things, that it doesnt have to be this way, and we dont have to continue to live through this chaos. Very powerful, and i think it was effective. And thats what he plans to do in miami. It was withering. Your candidate chose not to engage on each point where he could have, clearly picking his targets, clearly relying on debate prep. Were you happy with the percentage of times he did choose to engage . Well, look, brian, you know, what im happy with is that we saw a leader on the debate stage tonight, and that was joe biden. We also saw a liar, and that was donald trump. Look, i think joe biden was like many of us out there tonight. You know, hes talking. Hes trying to talk about the pressing issues facing the American People, and youve got this guy yaking about something that doesnt make any sense. I think what you saw from Vice President biden frankly is how many people across this country feel. They want to hear the plan for families across this country. They want to know how are we going to get out of covid . How are you going to help me put more money in my pocket to put more food on the table for our families . And every single turn tonight, donald trump had an option and an opportunity frankly to speak to the American People, to talk about his plans for them, to mac a forceful case. And we heard a lot from him tonight, but we didnt hear plans on how he was going to turn the corner on covid19. We didnt a hear plan for working families in this country. We didnt hear him call out White Supremacy. What i heard was a shoutout actually instead of a condpem nation. It was frankly unfortunate and despicable what we saw from the president of the United States tonight, but i was hopeful what i saw from joe biden. Please share confidential inside stuff with our audience. If id been in the inner sanctum, joe biden comes offstage and meets with all of you guys, the campaign staff. Did no one on the payroll say, i dont know why were going to do this again. All the norms were blown up tonight. Why bother with rules or moderators or time limits . Why are we doing any more of these . No one expressed that view . Brian, when Vice President biden came off the debate stage tonight, we went back and told him he did an excellent job. He broke through, speaking directly to the American People. And all donald trump did was sow chaos, and he lied. But joe biden, he was empathetic. He exhibited leadership. He gave folks hope, and he encouraged them. We said, were going to come back and do this again in miami because the reality is when youre running for as senator harris likes to say, our Vice President ial nominee, this is about the people, for the people. When you are running to be president of the United States and when youre running to represent the people, you have to be accountable to them. And joe biden is going to show up, and hes going to answer the peoples questions in miami. Hes going to take questions from voters across the state of florida about the most pressing issues facing them. Donald trump, we all know what hes going to do. I hope hes not going to belittle and berate voters in florida, but you know what . You never know, brian. But joe biden will be there to show you exactly what you can get postnovember 3rd if folks go to the polls and elect him as the next president of the United States. Fair enough. Good to see you again. Symone sanders with the Biden Campaign outside the venue tonight. Thank you very much for joining us. Final break of this hour. Coming up at the top of the hour, were going to continue beyond our usual time period. Extended coverage of what it was we just witnessed in cleveland, ohio, tonight when we come back. Keeping your oysters growing while keeping your business growing has you swamped. you need to hire i need indeed indeed you do. The moment you sponsor a job on indeed you get a shortlist of quality candidates from a resume data base so you can start hiring right away. Claim your seventyfivedollar credit when you post your first job at indeed. 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