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The future of awesome. Were following these reports today about what appears to been escalation of the use of force in oregon. And Donald Trumps crackdown on protesters. Oregon public broadcasting is reporting that federal officers of some sort have been driving around portland wearing tactical camouflage gear but otherwise unmarked, no obvious badges, markings, pulling up in unmarked vans and detaining protesters. Nbc news has not matched this particular bit of reporting, videos posted on social media however appear to show those unmarked vehicles entering a Federal Building in portland with officers in full riot gear in the foreground. Protests have occurred just about every night in portland. Just yesterday the department of Homeland Security secretary chad wo wolfcondemned the protesters. And a spokesperson for cbb said, quote, u. S. Border patrol agents have been deployed to portland in direct support of the president ial executive order and the newly established dhs protecting American Communities task force as a Law Enforcement component under dhs, cbp will be providing support, as needed at the request of the federal protective service, to protect federal facilities and property. We welcome to our broadcast jonathan levensen. Hes reported extensively on this story. A spokesperson for the u. S. Marshalls tells nbc news that the Law Enforcement officers in the video you shared are not deputy u. S. Marshals. Can you tell us who they are and what answers youve been able to ferret out . There are three different Law Enforcement agencies participating here. As just mentioned, a fps they wear blue uniforms. U. S. M marshals and theres custom and border protections, they also all wear camouflage. All the videos weve seen and the people i interviewed, either experienced this or saw this happen, everybody theyve seen are wearing camouflage when it happens. Its either u. S. Marshals or cbp or both. And what sort of stories of detentions are you learning about, are they extended it strikes me that that would be a real legal question about their authority there . So one person i spoke to who this happened to, was walking back to his car a mini van pulled up, four, five people in camouflage, pulled down his beanie to blindfold him. He was taken to the federal courthouse. And he was there for a couple of hours total. They read him his rights. They didnt give him documentation, hes still not sure if hes been charged with anything. Jonathan, i have a couple of questions, why Border Patrol of all branches of our government and Law Enforcement, i know we cant go to canada these days but are we worried about those dangerous canadians coming south into oregon . Thats question one. Questions two and three, where are the governor and the mayor . Your first question, why Border Patrol . Dhs hasnt answered any of our questions. What weve told that federal Law Enforcement is here to protect Federal Buildings and the people inside of them. The goff more has said essentially their presence is not helpful and a provocation, the mayor has said that they should stay in their buildings and if they cant do that they should leave. An unbelievable story. Jonathan of oregon public broadcasting, congratulations of having so much of this ahead of just about everybody else, well call on you early and often, thank you for that report. Brian, this is of everything we talked about today the one where there are so many more questions than even remote explanations, i mean i take the warnings that i see all over social media that this can be a sign of things to time, a real strain, i dont know what these authorities are patrolling the streets. It boggles my mind that this is happening in a American City today. Its useful in this case, how many Foreign Countries going back to grainy black and white film over the past decades we have seen facial coverings used to be a thing that we didnt do here, of course now covering all sins is the fact that were in a pandemic, but the lack of insignia, any kind of markings, badges, identifications, unmarked rental car, minivans, the swiping of people off american streets by, i guess, fellow american citizens, people in some branch of Law Enforcement, among the salad bowl of agencies that now compromises the department of Homeland Security, everyone should be paying attention to this. Well keep going tonight on our 11 00 p. M. Broadcast and ill slip away and become a viewer of the next hour and change. Thank you for having me. Well be watching you at 11 on that story and everything else. Thanks for spending the first half with us. Up next for us mary trump, Donald Trumps niece is hardly alone when she fears for the future of the country under her uncles lack of country. When we come back. Come back. No uh uh, no way come on, no no nnnnono only discover has no annual fee on any card. Sprinting past every leak in our softest, smoothest fabric. Shes confident, protected, her strength respected. Depend. The only thing stronger than us, is you. As joe bidens lead in the polls widens and cases of coronavirus pile up with no federal plan to stop the pandemic, Donald Trumps ability to lead is under fire now like never before. In his latest column for the Washington Post, our good friend, Eugene Robinson writes this, quote, its absurd to imagine that trump cares about anyone or anything but himself, he will not go voluntarily. So on election day, he must be made to suffer a hue militating defeat and on inauguration he must fully escort td out of the white house. This election is not about politics, ideology or even red versus blue, at this point, its about our collective survival. That column comes as the president s niece mary trump is breaking sales record for her new tellall, here she was with our colleague Rachel Maddow last night on longterm effects of her uncles reelection. This is beyond party. We need to be thinking about this as americans. We need to be thinking about who we want to be as the people going forward. So continuing along this path, which is exactly what would happen if donald trump were to be elected in 2020 would i absolutely believe be the end of the american experiment. I dont believe theres any coming back from this. Joining our conversation, Michael Steele who served as the chair of the Republican National committee in a universe far, far away from 2009 to 2011 and former time managing editor rick stengel. Both lucky for us political analy analysts here at msnbc. Michael steele, saying the same thing for a very long time. A sense people closer and closer to trump are saying it for the very first time thats the significance of mary trump, what do you think of her comments there with our colleague rachel . Well, i think its incredibly important to appreciate not just the words that she said but the perspective that she brings to those words, she has the background story that shes now begun to share with the rest of the country, shes seen her uncle up close and personal. Shes grown up with him. Shes watched him at family events, Public Events and most importantly at private events. Shes peeling back a little bit of the cover the blinds that we typically would not see, a lot of trump spotters they love the guy they saw on the apprentice, take charge, youre fired kind of a guy. But we now begin to see some of the unraveling that has also attended this this presidency and where it comes from, so i think its important what shes saying right now and cant be easily dismissed. This is someone whos at home already who saw him come through the door at family events, you know, to hang out or whatever, and now she shares with us what that looked like. You know, i agree with all that and rick, i think theres other lens through which people take information when its delivered by people with nothing to gain and everything to lose, i mean this is a the Family Dynamics as theyre described by mary trump herself are vicious, so putting herself out there really theres not much in it for her, i wonder if these stories simply affirm what we think when we look at donald trump, i mean, eugene wrote an an incredibly insightful column and i have heard from one former military official that theres certainly to be expected an active conversation about how to deal with what eugene described. Where do you put her warnings . A reminder of things that we already knew, but i have to go back to this, nicolle, i mean the Justice Department sued donald trump and his father in 1973 for racial bias and Racial Discrimination in their buildings all throughout new york and queens. They personally put up no vacancy signs when black renters were coming trying to get apartment there is. We know all of this. We know it chapter and verse, thats whats so frustrating about this situation that people have to learn it over again. I mean, does it surprise me apal me that donald trump uses racial language and she heard him use racist speech . Its appalling. Weve known that for decades. This whole business is based on Racial Discrimination, thats not anything new and he has seemed to embody that every day of his presidency. Michael and rick spitting truth today, as punishment, well ask them to stick around through the commercial break. When we come back the widening ough, crohns. Ough, crohns. For adults with moderate e crohns or ulcerative colitis, stelara® can provide relief, and is the only approved medication to reduce inflammation on and below the surface of the intestine in uc. You, getting on that flight . Back off, uc. 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I think theres a lot of chatter, from what i am sure you have as well, nicolle and richard as well picked up the chatter around town around that period between november and january and what that may look like and what it hopefully doesnt look like. And i think, you know, given the way the president seems to treat the military and think about the military, they want to create that heisman moment where they create a separation between him as commander in chief and some of the things that hes out here supporting and promoting through his tweets, for example, where hes out there tweeting white nationalist, you know, videos. They on the other hand are saying confederate flags and this type of behavior is not going to be accepted or promoted inside the military. So i think thats important right now for it to start to take place, and well see just how deep it goes as this thing as we get closer to november and more questions are raised about the president s behavior, his tweets or anything else. You know, rick, the pentagon is one of the more opaque i mean, all National Security agencies are opaque to a degree, but none more so than the pentagon. And its been ive been admonished to look at the things that are public facing as a minuscule representation of tremendous churn underneath. Whats your sense of how theyre doing . Well, i think theyre struggling. Im going to put together a whole bunch of things here. The military has been one of the great engines of antiRacial Discrimination and racial equality in American Society since world war ii. And i have to say, having worked with the military when i was in the state department, ive never, ever come away with anything but being impressed by their competence and their leadership ability and their meritocracy. So they have to be dismayed about having a commander in chief that refers to them as my generals and a commander in chief that tries to separate the military from civilian society. Theyre very, very concerned about that. And one final point, our military, unlike every other almost every other military in the world, take an oath not to a president or to a Prime Minister or a king. They take an oath to protect the constitution of the United States. And every soldier ive ever met, every general ive ever met takes that seriously. And when their commander in chief is undermining the constitution that they swore to protect, they are concerned. Rick stengel, Michael Steele, thank you both so much for spending some time with us on a friday. Deadline white house is next. 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With the United States breaking another record yesterday for new infections, adding more than 73,000 new cases, Donald TrumpsApproval Ratings on his handling of the coronavirus pandemic today are plunging to new lows. But instead of marshalling the resources of the richest nation in the world to defeat the pandemic, the president is instead turning to a strategy of covering up Vital Health Information and lying about the crisis all while bullying local schools to send students back regardless of the trajectory of infections. Dr. Peter hotez, vaccine expert and world respected medical doctor called it a disinformation effort on the part of the administration on this program earlier this week. And todays reporting provides further evidence of just that. The Washington Post today writes this. Quote, a 359page unpublished report by the White House Coronavirus task force dated tuesday suggests that at least 18 states enact stricter Public Health measures, including mandating masks, limiting gatherings to less than 10 people and ramping up testing in areas where coronavirus cases have spiked. The report specifically recommends that georgia, indiana and minnesota mandate masks statewide with the governors of those states have not ordered those measures as of thursday. The white house threat to withhold federal funds from schools that dont reopen is still on the table and npr is reporting the schools will have to navigate the president s threat with a current spike in cases without the promised guidance from the cdc on how to navigate School Openings. That guidance expected this week, as many School Systems are finalizing their plans for the fall, has been delayed. Add to the list of disappearing pandemic data, the abrupt disappearance of patient information and hospitalizations. The Washington Post writes this. Quote, on the eve of a new coronavirus reporting system this week, data disappeared from a cdc and prevention website as hospitals began filing information to a private contractor or their states instead. A day later an outcry, including from other federal Health Officials prompted the Trump Administration to reinstate that dashboard and another daily cdc report on the pandemic. And on thursday, the nations governors joined the chorus of objections over the abruptness of the change to the reporting protocols for hospitals, asking the administration to delay the shift for 30 days. In a statement, the National Governors association said hospitals need the time to learn a new system as they continue to deal with the pandemic. The apparent attempts at a coverup comes as the u. S. Record of new cases yesterday marked the ninth time weve set a record this month. The effort to withhold cdc guidelines and tax force recommendations comes as we triple our cases from just one month ago. The abrupt shift to cut the cdc out of the patient reporting system comes as the u. S. Has surpassed all the countries in the eu combined. As texas and florida report record deaths. The state of emergency in the u. S. As the white house moves to kour cover up health data is where we start today. New York Times White House correspondent peter baker is here along with practicing physician and former obama Health Policy director who worked on the h1n1 response, dr. Kadita patel and deputy National Security adviser to president obama, ben rhodes is back. All, lucky for us, msnbc contributors. Let me start with you, ben. We havent spoken to you since the country has taken this cataclysmic return to breaking the worst kinds of records we could break as a country. The rates for new infections day after day after day. I am, i suppose, maybe slightly open to the possibility that it is a confluence of incompetence that leads to all of this data being restricted from the Coronavirus Task force, shielded from the cdc and those School Openings being delayed. But its one heck of a coincidence that as cases spike, as the white house stages events, all this data disappears. Yeah, its a bit of a tell that President Trump himself seems to equate the incidents of coronavirus with testing itself. From the beginning of this crisis, he has seen real data as a threat to him because the real data would reveal his incompetence in responding to this. Whats so tragic is that the federal government should be the source of clear, transparent information. Now i remember during the ebola crisis it was federal guidelines that were ultimately posted on hospitals around the country about how to spot someone who has symptoms of ebola. Federal guidelines and clear, transparent information from the government about what the travel risk is at certain airports and what steps need to be taken. The reason we see some such chaos is that they are just not getting any clear and transparent information from the government. And now, we see on the chart that you showed, frankly, the dramatic uptick in cases is coincident to when President Trump was essentially hectoring states to reopen the economy and not surprisingly, you put people back into places, the cases spike. This seems to be about just wanting to make it go away. But you cant make something go away if people know people who are getting sick. If people know people who are losing their lives. If people are concerned about sending their children to school. This is not trump lying about something thats distant from peoples lives. Its trump lying about something that everybody can tell in their own lives and communities is not the case. Peter baker, it raises such a good point in my mind or a question. There is a way to change the data and to make it go away. And thats to try to defeat it. Thats to tackle it. Thats to get the oneday task the president and his staff uses, the abbott test, into the hands of every business and school you want to open. Its to really throw all of the resources in the medical and business and Academic Community at Contact Tracing. Lets do this. Lets shut it down so we can come back in the fall with schools. Why isnt the strategy to defeat the virus actually involved epidemiology. Why does it involve the coverup and the bypassing of information . Yeah, its a great question. We have a son that would like to go to school in the fall and think, what would make that possible. And you hear the president talk a lot. Weve got the most testing in the world. No question their numbers on tests have gone up substantially, but if we dont have tests that come back on a timely basis, how are the schools supposed to use that to make decisions that would help them, you know, operate in a safe way. You have to wait eight days to get a result back for a test. Thats not very useful unless youre already sick and looking for confirmation you have something you already have. If you want to have kids be able to go to school, teachers feel safe in teaching them, they have to have confidence that the virus is not lurking in their classrooms. And one of the ways to do that is to have an insta test. A quick result as you say. At the white house, when we go in as reporters and well be on the president on air force one or an event, they give us that instant test. They get the results back on our behalf pretty much within minutes. That should be the standard, you would think, in businesses and schools across the country. So far its not. And you dont hear the white house talk about trying to make it so with any kind of urgency. Peter, you wrote a piece that i think will end up in the history books when the chapter of the Trump Presidency is written about the press conference and thinking of those two paragraphs that describe what he talked about. It strikes me still, two days later, that in addition to being so incoherent and so bizarre and ram rambling, so little of it was focused on what were talking about. He has a child also. And i imagine that he wants if his child wants to be back in school, he wants that to be an option for him. Is there no window into what the country is experiencing that youve been able to detect from any of the public statements the president has made lately . He doesnt seem to suggest that, does he . He doesnt talk about his own personal experience or the personal experience of the people around him or friends or family or anybody else in the country. We have yet, 136,000 deaths, to have any kind of Memorial Service or, you know, some sort of grieving led by the president of the United States. Your president , obviously, did that, president bush did that after 9 11. Very, very evocatively. President obama did that after School Shootings or other horrific events. Thats something we expect our president s to do to connect with the feelings the public is going through, and we havent seen that. He doesnt want to focus on that. He wants to focus on full speed ahead and to dwell on the challenges and the setbacks is an athemma to his view of how the next 100 days should go. Its such a good point and i think of president obama breaking into amazing grace. Obviously, i lived through george w. Bush very much making the families who lost loved ones on the four planes part of everything we thought about and did. Is there anyone urging him to ever pick up the phone and call anyone who has lost a loved one to coronavirus . Well, there may be, but i think the advisers have come to learn that you cant convince him to do something hes not inclined to do. And so the strategy for people who advise him is to try to nudge him or steer him in directions he may be willing to do because of his own nature but not to fight the forces of nature. The forces of nature in this white house are a president who is not thats not where hes going to go. Empathy is not his strong suit. You talked about mary trump. She makes clear why she thinks that is. Where his strong suit is, is selling a message. Hes a master marketer. And the marketing is to convince the country that were better. That were going on the upswing again. And its flying in the face of the numbers and the charts you just showed. Someone as talented as President Trump as defining a narrative, he is having a hard time countering what people are seeing in their daily lives. Dr. Patel, i want to pick up on what peter is talking about. Only 34 of Americans Trust trump on coronavirus. That is less than Public Opinion polls suggest is the size of his base at this moment. 64 dont trust him. Has it become clear to you that he is an unreliable source of any information. Anyone thats still listening to him after he suggested injecting disinfectants, i worry about their health. I hope they have a diversity of inputs in terms of their familys Public Health opinions, but is it your senses hes irrelevant or doing harm . I think hes doing incredible harm and despite the low polling, this is somebody who has been a master at marketing disinformation and misinformation. So all along the way, every little kind of what seems like a little side comment, hydroxychloroquine, you should look into it. I took it. We still have an incredible amount of prescriptions for hydroxychloroquine, despite there being zero evidence for it. The issue of masks. You know, mocking people, including Vice President biden, who wore a mask and then reluctantly wearing one has already put into motion this idea that a mask is political. And then even third, the most dangerous comment that, you know, young people, its not so bad. They dont get sick. Kids, its okay. Lets just reopen schools. Were now seeing from record numbers of positive cases of children that we cant be so arrogant to assume that we know everything about what the implications of this virus are. And that we as doctors are learning about this. Day by day. And were hoping we want the science to guide people. Were just hoping the American Public continues to listen to scientists and to Public Health officials. But i do think this president still continues to do damage, yes, on a daily basis. And on the three news items we started with, that the cdc guidelines on opening schools which Vice President pence and other white house officials have already disparaged and have said they dont want them to get in the way of school reopenings, the patient data thats being bypassed away from the cdc to other agencies and these states that are now, according to the own White House Coronavirus task force, 18 states blinking red. All that data that was an effort to suppress all of it. What does that say to you . Oh, its honestly the tip of the iceberg. I fear how much has not only been suppressed to internal experts, to the American Public, but think about the chain of consequences. Hospitals are basically being held hostage. If you want relief from the federal government in the form of remdesivir, an antiviral drug if you want your state to get vaccines or testing, which we are allocating, then you have to abide by our rules. Its the opposite of any republican or democrats principles of leadership that ive seen. I hope we can implore upon congress, oversight investigations. We absolutely need to hold people accountable, and its just the tip. Its very disturbing. Ben rhodes, i want to ask you about something i heard this week from a former Senior Intelligence official. He said if the cdc is diminished and damaged and deprived of patient data from hospitalizations and there is no accurate count on the United States, the repercussions could be grave and felt for years. He suggested look at someone the most talented diplomat in the country being asked to take a posting at the u. N. In new york or washington, d. C. , at the nations capitol. They might think twice before they bring their family to live in america if they arent even sure they can trust the health data. It may become a posting in this country, it could become like a hazard posting. What do you think the harm is if even our data is corrupted . Well, i think weve already suffered incalculable harm just in our terrible response to covid. The u. S. Used to lead global responses. Now if you look at the numbers, were woefully behind everyone else. Theres also the fact the cdc, you know, manipulation or misinformation and disinformation effort on the trump white houses part, thats part of a general trend of him maligning facts. Including from the Intelligence Community itself. And what you already see is in mexico and canada, clearly happy to extend border protections. They dont want americans coming in. We see europe with a travel ban on the United States. These countries are indicating what they think already. The scenario that your intelligence official was relaying is already happening. Other countries are not comfortable, including our closest allies having americans travel there in part because not only do we have a huge outbreak, but they cant trust the information from us. When you think about the monumental task, nicolle, of resuming global travel, the Global Supply chains that our economy depends upon, the dissemination of a vaccine. If the cdc, which used to be the Gold Standard just a few years ago in terms of public Health Information around the world, is no longer trusted because the data is being cooked or suppressed, that is going to have longlasting ramifications for our credibility and also immediate consequences on our ability to climb out of this Public Health disaster and climb out of this economic crisis because we can only do that in concert with other countries. And frankly, right now, were just not even part of the conversation these countries are having. Peter baker, donald trump does like to wave the big stick of threatening a travel ban. The truth right now today, for any american that had a Family Member or an emergency and needed to fly to europe or lots of other countries, they could not do so. How do they see the ban on us because of our handling of coronavirus fitting into their maga slogan . Thats a great question. We dont like to be on the receiving end. We like to be on the cutting off end of things. But this is the administration that is more or less happy to try to cut off from the world in so many ways, whether it be through immigration, trade, alliances, military involvement. In many ways, this is America First policy the president has articulated. One that hes applied across the board. I think the fact theres less travel and even commerce going back and forth doesnt seem to bother him that much. But theres a longterm consequence to that. We do actually rely heavily on our friends in europe for economic and other interactions. Obviously, the more cooperation you have with them on things like science and research at this moment when we are looking for vaccine and therapeutics, thats obviously important. I think at this moment, walling ourselves off and being wald off by others at a moment when the world is sharing a crisis that it could use like american leadership. Thank you so much for spending some time with us today. Were keeping ben rhodes around for one more. Growing panic for republicans close to the president. New reporting from the Washington Post indicates that there are worries trump might be freefalling into a political abyss. And he might not go down alone. The pentagon today sidestepping trump with a significant new rule. Plus, the president s peculiar new line of attack against joe biden. Its another smear based on a lie as donald trump struggles to find his footing in his own reelection fight. All those stories coming up. To lock away deb ris and absorb wet messes, all in one disposable pad. Just vacuum, spray mop, and toss. The shark vacmop, a complete clean all in one pad. So we have many exciting things that well be announcing over the next eight weeks, i would say. Things that nobody has even contemplated, thought about, thought possible. And things that were going to get done. And we have gotten done. Weve started in most cases. Running as a mystery basket. Thought exercise here on a friday. Why is it so hard for donald trump to articulate anything for his second term agenda . Hes never had a reputation for succinct focused answers. But this may be more than that. We first heard whispers that maybe, just maybe, donald trump wasnt as into his own Reelection Campaign as he let on. But now after another rose garden event last night mutated into a de facto trump rally, an increasing number of republicans are worried that trump may be tor pede torpedoing his own campaign. There is growing unease and panic over trumps conduct as allies fret that the president is freefalling into a political abyss. Theyre worried by what they view as his selfsabotaging actions worried he may not only lose in november but drag the rest of the party down with him. Joining our conversation, the rev al sharpton, host of politics nation and president of the National Action network. Ben rhodes is still with us as well. So rev, youre here in the role of armchair psychologist. Is selfsabotage something that donald trump seems to be engaged in . Absolutely appears that way. You would have to say that theres no way his behavior could be the result of him calculating or anyone else calculating how he gains politically by it. Politics is about addition, not subtra subtraction. So for him to say, oh, in eight weeks or so, well roll out a reelection plan when he knows hes behind in every poll, including the fox poll. For him to grab onto issues like the confederate statues in this time that were dealing with the whole question of the racial divide and for him to force people or threaten to force them, if he can, to go to school before its clear about the safety. This is not someone that has a strategy of how am i going to close the margin in this state or close the gap in this poll . This seems like selfsabotage, and if it is not selfsabotage intentionally, then we ought to really worry about his state of mind. Ben rhodes, i read the stories about how he may or may not bring the Republican Party down with him, as though there is some suspense. Of course he will. If he goes down, you are all going down with him because you supported him after the access Hollywood Tape came out. Nobody walked away after donald trump saw good people on both sides of a kkk rally. Youve been with him as he literally has left the country blowing in the wind without adequate testing supplies, without even an attempt at a Contact Tracing program for the country. I mean, do you see any suspense as to whether or not the gop goes down if he goes down . No. No suspense, nicolle. Theyve made themselves an extension of the trump political project for the last three years. Theyre not even trying. They still engage in these trumtrum trump obamagate conspiracies. One, after the 2016 election, president obama said something to me privately which is he didnt think that trump ever could have possibly gotten elected if there was an actual crisis. An economic crisis, if we were at the beginning of a war because, frankly, people understood trump was not necessarily fit for that office, but enough people could take a chance on him with the economy going well, kind of vote their cultural projection and support trump. And i think that bears out. Right now you see people who voted for trump probably last time reconsidering, is this really the guy we want to guide us through a pandemic and depression . The other thing is in 2008, i was on the obama campaign. It was a hardfought campaign. I think we were in good position to win. But when the bottom fell out of the Global Economy in that fall, the race was over. And that only did president obama win a landslide and win states like indiana and north carolina, but the democrats picked up 60 seats in the senate. Sometimes the reality in the country dictates what happens in the country. The reality in the country right now is very, very bad. Donald trump has a lot of responsibility for the reality in the country and the Republican Party has gone along with him look, line and sinker every step of the way so, of course, theyd go down with him if the current trend continued. Rev, i was on the other side of that 08 campaign and that is it precisely, how the country experienced the two examples. They responded far more favorably to thensenator obamas response to the economic collapse than thensenator john mccains. Obviously, the rest is history. I want to ask you about the campaign shakeup. You know donald trump. And other people who know him have said the idea that hes ever run anything is part of the fiction of donald trump. Hes a guy who sat in an office in a Family Office without a computer on his desk and with a pen and circled articles and mailed them out to people he liked or admired or wanted to know. So the idea that a shakeup is going to fundamentally redirect an ailing campaign seems foolish, at best. No, you clearly hit it right on the head. Hes never run anything. And he is not clearly running a campaign and god knows hes not running the country very well. The problem you have here is someone that is always just dealt on his instincts. The chase is always more exciting to him than the catch. He wanted to run for president and win the presidency. He didnt really want to be president. I dont even think he really thought about what that would encompass and what that would require of him. And that is the problem you have. He loves the idea of campaigning and the crowds and him feeling like hes like elvis. But he really doesnt want a Campaign Strategy that would discipline him, that would make him really deal with what he ought to be saying, not saying, projecting not project. He is not manageable. And hes not, therefore, directing any real goals because he has no real goals other than himself. Its all about him, end of story. All right, rev. Im not done with your donald trump whispering just yet. Ben rhodes, thank you for spending the first half of the show with us. After the break, its not just part of Donald Trumps reelection strategy. Sometimes it seems like it is Donald Trumps reelection strategy. Division. 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And i dont think that should surprise anybody given how racist he is today. Have you heard the president use the n word . Yeah. And antisemitic slurs specifically . Yes. Virulently racist. That was President Trumps niece mary trump. Shes now the third person we know of to accuse trump of using racial slurs and racist language behind the scenes. Trumps attitudes on race are not new but in the country hes running, a sea change. Protests are ongoing like the ones in portland where demonstrations have been under way for 49 days straight sparked by the killing of george floyd and the swell of support for black lives matter. And now the rejection of trumpian racebaiting extends to his own administration as trump continues to defend peoples rights to display the confederate flag. Today the Defense Department banned the practice on military property. Secretary esper putting out a statement that reads in part, the flags we fly must accord with the military imperatives of good order and discipline, treating all our people with dignity and respect and rejecting divisive symbols. Democratic strategist basel joins us. The rev sharpton is still here. I hear it over and over again in my conversations about coronavirus that theres not a debate in the Scientific Community about the things we can do. Everyone knows what whey cant do. We dont have a vaccine or therapies. What we can do is stay in our homes, wear a mask, social distance. And trump is just on the outside of the mainstream in that conversation. The same is turning out to be true where anywhere from 67 to 74 of americans selfdescribe as being aligned with or in support of the mission of the black lives Matter Movement and see Racial Injustice as a serious problem in this country. Hes now, not just on the other side of the 67 to 74 of americans. Hes now on the other side of his own pentagon. His own military. Thats exactly right. And i want to just add to that by giving a story about whats happening here in new york. You know, we just had a primary some weeks ago. And when the next Congress Takes effect next year, when you go from harlem to the suburbs and beyond, fully an hour and a half to two hours from new york city, six of the seven seats will be represented by people of color. Particularly young people of color. That says a lot about the democratic party, yes. But also a lot about the fact that this president is fueling the energy against him. Hes not mitigating it. Hes not dampening it. Hes fueling it. And despite the fact that hes now engaged, i guess, a Different Campaign manager in an attempt to shake up that campaign, there is little doubt that donald trump will remain who he is and that theres no one thats going to be able to change him or mold him in any particular way. So this has to be concerning for republicans. It has to be concerning for voters that wanted to take a chance on him because they realize that, perhaps, that theyve made a horrible, horrible mistake because, as was said before, if this crisis had occurred during the actual election or just before it, i dont see any way that he could have gotten elected. You know, i dont know if this is a perfect analogy, but Investigative Reporter bob woodward says this about the truth in government. That the truth emerges. I think you can draw that line through to Donald Trumps racism and his racism and his true self is emerging at a point in his political lifespan where it is you cant put it back in the bottle. You cant unknow what we know after watching trump. He said he saw good people on both sides. When he was talking about impoverished nations he called them bleep hole countries. I mean, is there anything and now hes doubling down on it. He isnt even trying to distance himself on things that alienate the voters he needs in his coalition. Is it too late for him to do anything to reverse any of those trends in your view, basil . Its not too late for him to make a narrative change. But, you know, as has been attributed to maya angelou many times, i may not remember what you said, but i remember how you made me feel. And voters will have that memory of how they felt when they wanted leadership from him around the coronavirus, what to do, where to go, how do we comport ourselves and he did not provide it. We wanted some racial healing, if not from him, at least from people around him. We did not get that. So that sinking feeling of a leader thats not there for you and will not be there for you, just doesnt go away. No matter what he says and no matter how he may decide to alter his language. Well still remember how he made us feel. Its such a smart point, rev, that he may still try to shift the narrative because hes never attached to anything he said. Speaking of how people are made to feel. I dont think anyone will remember how you made people feel in your multiple eulogies for george floyd. Sadly, tragically, you delivered another eulogy yesterday for Brandon Hendricks allison. Tell us about him. He was a 17yearold young man on his way to college. Had gotten several offers. He was an excellent athlete, and he was hit with a stray bullet in the streets in the bronx and was killed. And his family asked me to do a eulogy. And i went to do it. Eric garners mother went with me because we wanted to say that as we fight around policing, that black lives matter. We want our kids to understand they matter enough that we cannot, despite the fact we understand the poverty and the disrepair our communities are in, we have got to think more of each other to not engage in violence against each other but to change the environment. And that was my message that we really want to show we matter to each other as we make the world understand we matter to the criminal justice system. And theres been the violence in chicago, and i had gone out there several years ago and even got an apartment talking to those youngsters. Theyre not responsible. I said this in the eulogy. There are no gun factories in the west side of chicago. Theres no gun factories in the bronx. They are not responsible for the guns there. Weve got to tell them that you cannot be tempted to use them against each other because we believe in you and we believe youre worthy of more than that in life. Wed like to see those issues around gun control get more attention, rev, in the final 100 days of the president ial election . Must get more attention. We must take on the fact that we dont even have the identification. We dont even have background checks as law. And this is after multiple mass shootings. That must be an issue. We must take on the nra. What im doing in terms of the eulogy i did in the bronx and other places around the country, in chicago and others, is taking on the nra. Who is benefiting from this, and who is suffering is innocent kids in our community because theyre taking people in desperate situations and arming them to say take it out on each other rather than our limiting them legally from being able to do this and being able to inundate our communities with weapons. The rev al and basil. Let me ask that this conversation be continued again and again between now and election day. Thank you both for spending some time with us. After the break, donald trump isnt letting facts get in the way. Hes stepping up his scattershot attack on joe biden. The sleep number 360 smart bed is on sale now. Can it help keep us asleep . Absolutely, it senses your movements and automatically adjusts to keep you both comfortable save 25 on the sleep number 360 c4 smart bed with any Smart Adjustable base. Plus 0 interest for 24 months. Ends monday. It was always bad, but now its gotten totally out of control and its really because they want to defund the police. And biden wants to defund the police. Sir, he does not. Look, he signed a charter with bernie sanders. It says nothing about defunding the police. It says abolish. Lets go. Give me the charter, please. I can watch that on a loop. Donald trump factchecked there by Chris Wallace of fox news. In his latest attempt to attack joe biden. And just to close the lid there, Chris Wallace said they checked the charter that trump was talking about. It, in fact, proves trump wrong. Just the president s most recent bungled attempt to undermine his opponent. Its what the New York Times outlines as a parent. Sc scattershot attacks at biden, many of them false. Kareem jean pierre. What do you do with that . You know, you said this recently on your show and what you said was if donald trump was on the apprentice right now, he woubld fired. You are 110 right. He would be fired because of his lack of leadership, lack of management. He would be fired because he cant put a plan together. And you add to that a president who cannot complete a sentence without lying. The Washington Post said this week that in the four years of the of Donald Trumps presidency, he has lied more than 20,000 times. More than 20,000 times, nicolle. And a lot of that was during this pandemic that were currently in where 137,000 people have lost their lives. So this is what donald trump is going to do. Hes going to lie about joe biden and his record. Hes going to lie about joe bidens leadership. Hes going to lie about joe biden, what hes going to do as president. And the reason why he lies in particular about joe biden is because he is desperate. Voters do not believe him, nicolle. And as you showed the desperation as you showed earlier in your program, you talked about the rose garden. His rant. It was a rant. It was a campaign rally, and what it showed is Donald Trumps weakness as well. You know, i guess just to play the devils advocate for a nanosecond. Hes always lied. Hes always lied about his opponents. And it was enough to defeat 16 republicans in the primary and at least in the electoral contest, Hillary Clinton in the general. What is the strategy for picking and choosing from which lies to defend your candidate . So heres the thing. In the last couple of weeks, donald trump and his campaign have had ads up talking about how unsafe the america is going to be under joe biden. Lies, clearly. And theyve had that ad up trying to define joe biden in that ilk for weeks, and it hasnt worked. It hasnt worked at all. And so i think thats one part of it, too. And that if you think about the contrast, right, last week joe biden put out his build back better, his his jobs recover plan. And the thing about this plarn, its aggressive and meets the moment. It creates jobs that its going to be that brings jobs back in america and its the complete contrast to what President Trump said. His broken promise in 2016. And also we put out a plan this week on clean energy. And the beauty about that, the clean energy, its gotten support from labor unions and also climate activists. So the activists. The uniqueness of joe biden really plays a role here. You see how he brings people together. The thing about this is the coalition. This is what were talking about. The coalition thats just not going to win in november but is also going to help him govern. Thats the difference that you see and what people see especially in this pandemic when donald trump has a mismanaged it so poorly. Voters see that. They see the lies. They see how hes failed in leadership, historically failed in leadership. Thats whats happening now. Thats what voters are reacting to. You reference something im dying to have you back to talk about. Running as the guy with this diversity of support what has never Donald Trumps thing. It appears to be former bidens but its tricky. I want to ask you about it next time youre on this show. We appreciate you spending some time with us today. Have a good weekend. After the break, going into the weekend with a celebration of lives well lived. A celebratn of lives well lived. I like liberty mutual. They get that no two people are alike and customize your Car Insurance so you only pay for what you need. What do you think . I dont see it. Only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. 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