Joke. He threatens and backs off and then i will reevaluate in two woks. Like iran. Absolutely. And remember this is something thats very centered of why he thinks he got elected and why he thinks he can get reelected. What is though, the words . He hasnt actually done anything. Immigration is worse. No question. But its better the words. And he has to convince the people who voted for him last time to do so again even though hes not delivered on his that wraps up the hour for me. Deadline white house with promises of immigration. Nicolle wallace starts right youre right, the problem has now. Only grown worse. Hi, everyone, its 4 00 in and theres a healthy debate whether on asylum things need to new york. There is a stench. Those are the powerful words be changed. Written to describe the there could be performance humanitarian crisis at the necessary but there shouldnt be border. Now resulting in the suffering a debate about the conditions these children have experienced of children and infants as the president and his administration in eliminathese shelters in tex concoct a toxic brew of 7yearolds taking care of 4 political opportunism and months old they never met with operational incompetence. Blockbuster reporting from Soiled Diapers or mucous all multiple news organizations over their shirt. Drawing our attention to the you dont have to be a parent or tragedy unfurling on u. S. Soil an american, just citizen of at the direction of the trump this world to be horrified by administration. Those conditions. Its going to be a difficult well start with reporting in case for this white house to make that is an effective tactic the New York Times, quote, a chaotic scene of sickness and in their fight. Jeremy bash, i have a filth is unfolding in an 7yearold. Overcrowded Border Station in but you dont have to be a clint, texas, where hundreds of young people who have recently 7yearold to experience waves the nausea to hear that. Crossed the border are being where are the democrats . Held. Thats according to lawyers who visited the facility this week. Why Arent There Hearings some of the children have been there for nearly a month, yesterday about the conditions children as young as 7 and 8. At the border . I dont know, nicolle. Many wearing clothes caked with thats a great question. One of the things the committee snot and tears are caring with chairs should be demanding from infants they just met, the dhs today is a list of every lawyer said. Toddlers without diapers are location where there are relieving themselves in their children under the age of 18 who pants. Teenaged mothers are wearing are being held without other clothes stained with breast Family Members or guardian or milk. Parent. Its one of those things that that list should be easy to even for this white house is so produce. They should immediately produce horrific, there wont be any it to congress and Congress Political debate over this one, should send congressional staff, right . Even a republican said so. Professional staff investigators to those sites. I have been in that state. And i believe as justice i have been down there throughout my 15 years of brandeis said or wrote, Sunlight Congress and before that as a federal prosecutor. Is the best disinfectant. This is the worst ive ever seen the way to end this horrific it and it has to be taken care of. Practice is shine the light on t. Bring the shining light of congressional oversight into today final wlily were lear these locations, let the media understand whats happening. The government is removing most obviously protect the privacy of of the children housed in that the children. And i think the problem will Texas Facility but the trump take care of itself because the administration sounds light on conscience of america will not urgency and heavy on abide about horror. Fingerpointing. Heres a lawyer from the justice and, julia, im confused at a department defending those conditions we just described policy level. Last week. I think it was almost exactly a its within everybodys year ago that propublica common understanding that if you dont have a toothbrush, if you released a tape of babies dont have soap, if you dont have a blanket, its not safe wailing. I guess i dont feel bamboozled and sanitary. Because i dont have that high wouldnt everybody agree with of an expectation of the Trump Administration but they did try that . Do you agree with that . To put out a cover story that they were done with the well, i think its i think separation of families. Under what policy is this even those are theres fair reason happening . Let me explain this, when we to find that those things may be talk about separation of families, theyre talking about part of separating a biological parent or legal guardian from a child. Not may be, are a part. That did systematically end with an Executive Order from the when you say maybe, theres president. When they were doing that on a circumstances where a person doesnt need to have a large scale to every parent who toothbrush, toothpaste and soap crossed illegally and simply for days . Well, i think in cdp custody committed a misdemeanor, not a
felony. That did end. What we are seeing now, yes, its frequently intended to be there have been some much shorter term. It may be for a are the separations. Were still trying to get on shorterterm stay in cpd custody what those particular details some of those things may not be were but they dropped. Required. When is a toothbrush not 700 over six months compared to 2800 in two months. Required . The president has managed to really down the levels before blame democrats, of course. The policy was enacted. Where is the money . You know what, the democrats are the people being separated now, holding up the humanitarian aid. Nicolle, are children who come if they changed asylum and if with a grandparent or maybe an they changed loopholes, adult sibling. A lot of children come thinking everything on the border would theyre with their family and be perfect. This is how they will come into humanitarian crisis at the the United States with the border and the delay of those person who loves and cares for i. C. E. Raids for immigrant them. Under u. S. Law and its not families that donald trump Trump Administration policy, telegraphed in a tweet last week are where we start today. Just our law, those are not considered families so those children actually have to be Julia Ainsley is a correspondent sent to health and Human Services and go through a long covering both the department of process where that agency decides who they will be sent Homeland Security and justice for nbc news. Jeremy bash is former chief of to, who mwill sponsor them. Staff of both the cia and it could end up being that same defense department. Heather mcdpee is the senior relative down the road but they have to go through this very sa fellow at geemio and white house cue tis process and people at Dhs Wanted Congress to look at reporter for the Associated PressJonathan Lemire is here. That law because it would make the situation easier. Jeremy bash, i worked for praise. If i worked for a president and unaccompanied children are the
he was going to visit a country hardest demographic they care for because theyre so where babies were being held in vulnerable and because theyre not set up to care for them. These conditions let me read this to you from the new another thing i want to add, nicolle, we now know these yorker. The conditions the lawyers found children are leaving this terrible facility in clint but were shocking. Flu and lice outbreaks, children theyre moving to a soft sided facility, meaning tents like filthy sleeping on cold floors taking care of one another where we saw a lot of the because of lack of attention children who were separated last from guards. Some had been in the facility summer, and its not clear they will necessarily have better for weeks. Conditions. Theyre still under the control i worked for a president. Of Border Patrol and its not clear how quickly they will get if you wanted go on a trip doing out but at least the government those things or the early things did take some action on this one i described, babies taking care particular place today. Of babies, i would strongly like we said, there could be counsel him not to go to that others. This is the one place where these lawyers came but there are country. How are World Leaders meeting other places across the border that could look just as bleak. With an american president i guess, heather, you want to take julias word for it, they brutalizing Asylum Seekers . We would probably go one step move them somewhere better. You want to believe someone if further, bring them from the they say, this is an isolated united nations, decry human incident. But i think when youre a parent, you recognize patterns. Tragedy. Theres a pattern of brutalizing nicolle, this is one of the moments we have to stop and say and mistreating the youngest, when the history is written most innocent people who come to this country, children, infants,
there will be a section of clint, texas, and treatment of and theyre now dyeing on our watch. So i hear you on things we can children by our country. As you remember from your days in the Bush Administration when do to support them but there are thensenator john mccain wanted ban Sleep Deprivation as an Interrogation Technique for harden candidate cad criminals things we are doing that we need to protect them from our own government. Al qaeda criminals he basically says i find it cruel we talk about trarnz patranspar. And inhuman and degrading. This seems like we need a dmigs yet somehow were engaging in Sleep Deprivation for children after 9 11 and after the mueller when its been outlawed for election, shouldnt we figure hardened al qaeda criminals. Those are people doing hard time out why were killing babies . I cant understand why this is something a, congress should or using it on little children who cant even tell time. Absolutely be more than its thats an unbelievable point been doing. I share the recommendations to make. About what should happen but i one that stopped me in my dont share the optimism. I think that we have seen and tracks. Jeremy, let me just follow up with you. The only reason we know about heard these stories now for what happened in clint is exactly about a year. Because lawyers went into to and things havent changed. Inspect the site. The evil has mutated and how do we know there are not other children in harms way . Migrated into different ways of i think Congress Needs to get dehumanizing children and families who are coming to this on its front legs here and country for the exact same reason that millions of people have come to this country, to
aggressively investigate the seek out refuge from persecution detention of these separated and to try to build a life for families, the detention of these their families. Children. So i dont have any optimism we have a shortterm crisis, that all of this Media Attention which is these children need care immediately. Not in days or weeks or twoweek is going to change the way the deadline, but like tonight or Cbp Treats Children and asylum tomorrow morning. And then, of course, the seekers. We have had Tine Being Set from mediumterm issue which i know were going discuss, which is the top that is dehumanizing. We have i. C. E. Having been recruited for some time now over how to Mandell Thandle the asyl the past decade to really be an internal deportation source. On the border. The idea these raids this but the children who live there today and tonight should have weekend were family raids not have to shoulder the targeting parents with children administrations policies that have created the situation. Who love to do nothing more than heather, im struck i stand in line and become citizens is just heartbreaking. Worked in a white house that was unpopular for a million different reasons, but i did not julia, thank you for your extraordinary reporting on all encounter people who didnt have fronts. Sort of the check on their own come back if you learn anything in the next hour. I will stay on this. Humanitarian of im a parent. When we come back, is donald i imagine what it would be like trump turning into the boy who cries wolf about nuclear to be a parent. Having zombies carry out these threats . The trouble with playing a policies. Sibber rattler one minute and who are these people . Whos the Person Who Aergs in peacemaker the next on tv and what the world makes of the court they dont need toothbrushes, they werent president s latest policy swerve
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information. So we knew it was coming. Military advisers, donald trump we knew it would be over the weekend or just before the today announcing sanctions weekend. Against iran, a nation were on we got lace of the cities that would be targeted. The brink of striking just last and those police started to say week before trump abruptly we will not be able to cooperate pulled back. With i. C. E. Enforcement policies the problem for the trump like you want us to. Were here to ensure Public Administration may turn out to safety but were not going above be an emboldened iran. And beyond to hand over these still threatening over the weekend to shoot down more u. S. People because frankly theyre Surveillance Drones if they upset they wont be able to cooperate with local law violate iranian air space. Enforcement like they depend on. All of it contributing to a big the cops depend on the immigrant communities in a lot of these policy hangover for the world watching. Cities and towns. And when added to the other then we started to move further recent dramatic aboutfaces from and all of a sudden they called the president on tariffs for it off and said it was a leak mexico and the i. C. E. Raids planned for this weekend that we were just discussing, the problem and they would do a leak biggest hit taken over the last investigation. You dont have to dig very far week may have been to the to see where this information president s credibility. Was coming from. The Washington Post writes and another reason they called this quote, three policy it off, there are a few others, turnarounds by President Trump one is that this acting this month have underscored his secretary Kevin Mcalien and Behind Closed Doors had some problems with it. Free well and governing style and approach some experts warn also they just didnt have the capacity. If you look at the overcrowding sends mixed messages and put issues at customs and border u. S. National security at risk. Joining our table, time protection its because theres overcrowding throughout. Magazine editor rec stengel plus
theres overcrowding at i. C. E. Charlie sykes, editor and chief and health and Human Services. At the bull wart. Can you imagine we have to put both lucky for us msnbc 200,000 people in detention contributors. Rick . Before you deport them. Im never against it when the logistics didnt add up on somebody changes their minds to do something i am for, ie, not this. Before these logistics, these bombing iran. I think he made the right are People Living here and decision. Freewheeling is a generous children in things like camp description. Hes fickle. Instead of school. He has no Core Convictions so its more a logistical problem. Its a philosophical and policy hes not predictable. Problem. It seems to me, Jonathan Lemire, remember when he was running he to represent the crisis there said i dont want to be was a purge at dhs, right . Predictable. Im not telling you what im doing. Let me tell you, governing makes and we didnt think wed miss people predictable and people any of those folks but it trust states and states trust appeared part of what they them. Who leaked The Front Page story walked out on was the sort of in the New York Times and the Washington Post about we decided not to bomb iran but Stephen Miller conceived perthes were using Cyber Warfare of innocent asylum speakers. I know the ap has a lot of against them . Thats telegraphing something reporting and the washington that shouldnt be on the front post says the acting secretary page of the newspaper and donald trump is behind that. Warren said its is discrimm Tucker Carlson as a not operations to arrest people
heavyweight military adviser, at work sites risks separating this from the times story about that. And trump heard from his are parents from children at day generals and diplomats, care. Lawmakers weighed in and so did he also maintains i. C. E. Should not devote major resources to advisers. But among the voices that rang powerfully for President Trump carry out a Mass Interior Sweep is that of one of his favorite fox news hosts, tucker carlton. By telling lawmakers it needs Emergency Funding to address the while National Security advisers crisis at the border. Were urging a military strike, mcalien said the crisis at the carlton in recent days told border where more than 144,000 trump responding to irans were taken into custody last month remain the most urgent problem. They have a problem here at the provocations was crazy. What could possibly go wrong . Border, and it says i will round up People Living in communities lets cut out the middle man and with babies in Summer School . Make carlton the secretary of what should expect another defense. Purge because h become a washin jno joking. Heres the problem with the president , if youre going to engage in bluster and bluffing, it only works as long as people have not figured out the formula. You talk big but carry a small stick. Its not just iran but north korea, its also china and russia, who are trying to figure out how seriously should we take this president . Richard knows this better than anybody at the table, the way you get into a war is by miss
calculating, by blundering, by having people miscalculate how youre going to respond and at the moment literally no one know whats donald trump is going to do. I agree with you, that term freewelling is very much a euphemism. Donald trump doesnt know what he will do. Exactly. Someone who is erratic and policy by whim is really a scary scenario, even though i agree, im glad were not actually bombing, but when in fact we have the Fate Of The World turning on the whims of somebody as erratic as donald trump listening to talk show hosts, as a former talk show host, i dont mean that in disrespect, its a risky proposition. So both on air and private phone calls Tucker Carlson advised against the strike. Sean hannity was for military action. In this case the 8 00 fox news beat the 9 00 hour. But tuckers not the only voice here. As much as john bolton was advocating for strikes and Secretary Of State pompeo less
enthusiastic. Generals in the pentagon were very much opposed to this. We can give you the levels of reporting and targets and you can knock them out but whats next down the road . Mind you we dont have a permane permane permanent secretary of defense. And trump made a new nomination. But other highranking people at the pentagon said to take a break. And the president is not proud of his decision. Telling people privately and his adviser felt like this was good brinks manship, he got to the right decision by pulling back but the question is the credibility issue. Weve seen it with north korea. We are seeing it depend with iran. Its not just our adversaries but also our allies around the globe, how can they count on the United States of being a rational figure. Theres no Question Tensions are mounting in iran and there could be something cataclysmic that does happen and our allies feel like they cant trust
washington. Charlie, let me bring you into this conversation. Charlie got close to this and jonathan did too. What did we think was going to happen, right . So we know he doesnt read from his friends. We know that he doesnt get briefed from the intel community. We know that he has nothing but disdain for the Intelligence Community assessments on iran, on north korea, on russia, on parts of the world where he disagrees. I guess i come at this from the other end, what did people think was going to happen when we had a crisis of an american a adversary . We cant give all of them the key to our elections. What did we think would happen for iran . According to the president it was ten minutes before the strike was to occur that he learned about the Casualty Number. Which is manifestly false. In every briefing i have been vonked with in which military options were presented to a principal or president , the Casualty Number is there right in the front smack middle of
slide one. Basically what the president is saying the military lied to me. Hes accusing the Military Chain Of Command of misleading him, not telling him until ten minutes before the strike about the Casualty Numbers. I happen to believe the Military Chain Of Command over the president. I think hes really shattered his credibility with our Military Chain Of Command, which requires clarity and which requires judgment and credibility. Obviously in the region in tehran and elsewhere theyre looking at this saying this is of course false. Of course the president wasnt focused on Casualty Numbers. He just blanked. He wimped out. So the public is scoring it iran 1, america nothing. If everybody saying thank god we averted war, were on the brink of Military Conflict because bolton and iran will potentially shoot down another aircraft surveillance tonight or tomorrow and the next day and then what do we do . How do we back away from that brink . That is the crisis this administration created and
theres no answer for. Heather, just really quick, i want to bring you in on this idea. I think some of what muted the condemnation of trumps conduct last week is a lot of liberals were happy that he ended up not doing something that cost iranians their lives. As somebody who worked for a very unpopular republican and most watching this show probably thought were too eager to engage in military operations, sometimes you end up saving more lives in the wrong run at least as jeremy said doing what you say youre going to do. It is entirely possible in the end more lives are at risk that donald trump didnt at least fulfill his own bluster, fulfill his own bluff. I think lives are at risk because of something he did early on in his presidency, walk away from a deal that took ten years to get to and was as good as we were going to get. This was not somebody sitting there with better policy in his back pocket. He just wanted to destroy the obama legacy and say its my way or the highway. Thats exactly the step that led us to where we are right now. I dont know what his end game
is. You look at reporting and say do the people in iran feel like theyre already at war, right. The sanctions are tightening and tightening in order to what, have them come back to the table for an agreement that would be make different from what we just walked away from . I wouldnt come back to the table to the an administration that had just torn up a deal we worked a decade on. There is no end game. I think people are just hoping and praying obviously people like Senator Udall in the senate are trying to make sure that congress has a role here. But i think were in very dangerous territory. It goes back to the decision to walk out of the deal. Just to piggy back on jeremys point, we know the president was briefed on casualty estimates hours earlier, when the strike was presented as a number of options coundergo. He then near the end when it was time to give a decision yes or no asked again and was told that number. Thats not uncommon for a president to doublecheck. Even more uncommon is forget the Casualty Number. Its usually seared in a president s mind. I would argue more uncommon to take that and play it for for Drama On Twitter and his interviews, which i think this really was, the president the star of his own movie saying i made a decision and spared these lives. And its dangerous he creates crises in order to create drama and he figures he could always pull back from the brink. He wants to be the arsonist and also the firefighter. If at some point he gets that wrong, what could possibly go wrong . That is dangerous and yet another moment he shows his lack of credibility and americas word cannot be trusted on a world stage to stay in a deal like the iran deal and conduct of the commander in chief. And we dont have foreign policy, narcissism is the foreign policy. Thats what it looks like. Jeremy, i have a question for you because this bothered me all weekend. To be a Fly On The Wall in the Strategy Meeting for the iranians, what do they think . Oh, we must get to tucker
carlson . This is no joke. What do the iranis make of him . Two things. Number one they say look, the president is only 18 months away from an election he may lose and since this president undid the deal the last president , why should we do a deal with this president . Theres no reason. So undoing a prior president s deal has its own obstacles. And second i think they think President Trump is deep down honestly, i think they think hes a wimp. I think they think he has no nerve. I think they think hes all bluster and that emboldens them. Theyve been attacking commercial shipping. Theyve been attacking civilian infrastructure in saudi arabia. Theyve been shooting at our drones. Three times they hit one over yemen, missed one over a tanker and now hit one in international airspace. This wasnt an accident. He think the president has no nerve and they will be emboldened. Jeremy, a wimp with a small stick. You might get tweeted today. When we come back, a rare glimpse on the dirty laundry of Donald Trumps closest associates. A big scoop from our friends at oexo o axios is next. O axios is next. So chantix can help you quit slow turkey. Rkey. Along with support, chantix is proven to help you quit. With chantix you can keep smoking at first
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go through this. At least hes laughing, that was Chris Christie asked to read from his own vetting file, part of brandnew reporting from axios, massive leak of more than 100 internal transitionera vetting documents known inside campaigns as Open Po Revealing T the president elects team knew and were thinking about top jobs including their vulnerabilities. Remember scott pruitt, he was fired thanks to a wave of ethical abuses and close ties to lobbyists. A section in his vetting form was titled allegations of coziness of big energy companies. Similar story of former hhs secretary tom price, fired for Wasting Hundreds Of Thousands of dollars on chartered flights. A section in his dossier, criticisms of Management Ability and dysfunction and division haunting the leadership of his house budget committee. The list goes on and on and on. Mick mulvaney, Rex Tillerson and several others. The Transition Team was so worried about Rudy Giuliani that they compiled a separate 25page document called Rudy Giuliani business ties research das dossier. Lets bring in the reporter with the scoop, jonathan swan, National Political reporter of axios and hbo fame. Take me through what we havent mentioned yet. And thats a great clip of you and christie. Well, ill pick a few at random. General david petraeus. A red flag for general david petraeus, who was under consideration for Secretary Of State national skusecurity advi. This was in the red flag section, direct quote, petraeus is opposed to torture. Lets go through laura ingraham, fox news ne this is my favorite. She was in serious consideration for White House Press secretary. Direct quote in one of her red
flags, ingraham said people should wear diapers instead of Sharing Bathrooms with transgender people. One heading in the document about kris kobach. He was in serious consideration for Homeland Security secretary. It listed, quote, White Supremacy as one of his vulnerabilities. It cited accusations from past political opponents that he had ties to White Supremacist groups. And there was also some of the contenders were as we said strikingly swampy, even by the rnc vetters standards. Sunny purdue, trumps pick for Agriculture Secretary noted that he was the owner of houston fertilizer and grain, a company thats received contracts from the department of agriculture. The list goes on but, you know, it was really striking. What was also striking is just how many of these people that took top jobs that at the very top of their documents they had said the harshest things about donald trump a character and they still picked them for top
jobs. Its quite extraordinary. Whats your big takeaway . One, sort of the caliber of the people that went to work for donald trump are not remotely close to the caliber of people that worked for bill clinton, that worked for george whatever you think of those presidencies, these are not the kinds of people that typically land an Executive Branch of government job, these are actually not even the kinds of people that can get internships on capitol hill, frankly. What is sort of the whats your sense of where balls were dropped, is it the chaos . Was It Indifference . Was it he was swampy too . He was White Supremacist too . What got these people through . Tend of the day kris kobach, White Supremacy flag, ended up with a big job. Laura ingraham one of the president s closest allies in conservative media, other than Chris Christie, who had his history with Jared Kushner, just about everybody else landed top jobs. So theres a couple of things. But the first thing to know is they actually had a pretty
normal transition until the election. Chris christie was charged with running it. They had, as he said, 30 volumes and names for each cabinet position. They then fired chrissity the week after so they effectively start from scratch. They didnt like the names he put forward, and i have talked to people who ran the george w. Bush transition, i spoke to clay johnson and chris lieu, who was seen during the obama transition, its just not enough time from the second week of november to the inauguration to staff an entire administration, particularly in those top jobs. You had this enormous task of vetting, which was outsourced to a group of about two dozen by all accounts very smart but all of them were in their 20s with maybe a couple of exceptions at the rnc and they were just speeding through lexus, next sis and google in a real hurry. So thats the process. And i will give you one example, they vetted Andrew Pozner for labor secretary, they actually
vetted him but didnt do a proper vet in the sense they missed there were local news stories he was alleged to have Domestic Violence against his wife. He had to withdraw the day before the confirmation hearings. So it was not enough time. It was rushed. It was frenzied. It was a group of people who were not fit for the task, and thats what you get. And the results are really clear. A lot of these people are not in these jobs anymore. Donald trump has confirmed fewer people in top roles in the administration than any of the previous four president s. His Withdrawal Rate is the worst ratio of any of the four previous president s. Theres heaard stats on this an its very clear why it all happened. Something that struck me, the white house responded and said trumps done more to improve the lives of people than swampy people or Something Like that, call them cowardly leaks. Of all of the things you say about trump, He Doesnt Care this week, another woman, another credible accusation of
sexual assault. He doesnt care he looks like jeremy bash called him a wimp and Charlie Sykes said he carries a small stick. He doesnt carry, so proud of his performance on iran, He Doesnt Care that i think 70 of the public thinks russia was involved in our election. He doesnt care. He cares, the size of his hands, the length of his hair and quality of the ceo, this is stuff that gets right at his brand. The truth is he does not have the best people. He has about the worst people ever assembled in government. I mean, it would appear from your reporting about the vetting that some of the worst baggage the question it would appear their response signals some sense of peevishness, that they care about having good people. Theres a lot my point is He Doesnt Care about much because nothing hurts him politically. But having good people, i mean, its obvious from the way he
talks about attracting the best people, attracting ceos. He likes to bring cameras in when there are people around him. Look, hes much happier with the people he has around him now. But you had two big problems, had you people who had lethal ethical problem like scott pruitt, ryan zinke, tom price. You also had people diametrically opposed to him fill philosophically, Rex Tillerson. He liked watt way he look and sounded and picked him. For the most important job, Secretary Of State. Youre the representative of the world and you pick someone who fundamentally disagreed with him on policy. James mattis at defense, by all accounts respected in washington but the role he picked from donald trump, diametrically opposed in terms of philosophy and policy. This is again because it was all rushed and done with great haste. More awesome reporting and another great hbo episode,
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crises. Reporter well, for buttigieg, hes done about as much as he can do to deal with this in south bend. He was off the trail. Although, he did come to South Carolina to give a speech to the South CarolinaDemocratic Party and go back for that town hall you watched yesterday or rather last night, i suppose, for him, i think this crisis is a little bit more real. When your resume is as short as buttigiegs is, everything needs to sparkle. Obviously, this is an incredibly divisive moment. Its not so much that there is anything he could have done in the immediate past to have handled it so much better. No matter where you live in the country, you certainly have a mayor and a police department. So this is the kind of thing i think voters who are getting to know him can touch and feel and understand in a much more direct way. As for biden, i was standing just off stage watching that interview with he and the reverend al sharpton, i think he cleaned up about what half his
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