The latest Political Developments of the day and interviews with top newsmakers are featured. Its not like somebody former president got to report, somebody gave a little more than the minimum, some pac didnt follow a small regulation. This is a fundamental thing. The nominee at the closing days of the campaign, when he thought his campaign was on the line and a story or two stories potentially threatened his nomination went be and said, i have to make this story go away, according to Michael Cohen and said, go make this go away and pay for it. I think that goes not in a resistance way at all. A much more dramatic and more accurate way of stating what happened there. And, yes, it implicates the president in the commission of a felony, but it also implicates the president in what is now a growing sense that a lot of people have and not just resistance people, that this is one more way in which the 2016 election was facacta. Harry litman, were in dangerous territory here. Two nonlawyers talking about what may be under investigation in the Southern District is a conspiracy. That is a pretty clear parallel to what we are told by folks
like yourself about the Mueller Investigation and that its not collusion, collusion in and of itself wouldnt be the crime. Its the conspiracy to impact the election. Do you think that is what the Southern District is investigating when it comes to the Hush Money Payments . Do you think thats what they went in looking for . We know from the day of the raid thats one of the things they were looking for when they seized items from Michael Cohens homes and offices. Well, look, they were probably looking for the whole mother load of financial miss deeds that they found. But they also found this point and i cant say strongly enough, john is so deadon here. The second defense of team trump now is, oh, a Technical Campaign finance violation. That makes it seem ministerial. Its the exact opposite. It gives rise to the watergate comparisons. What cohen says in court by the way, its not in the information. He made a point of saying it. Not only was it at the direction of trump, but it was for the
yeah. That will forever the evolution of a response thats at the center of pretty serious prosecution out of the Southern District. How is the legal Team Managing the Fact Patterns . They thought the new york part of this was the more troubling one because they didnt understand it. They claim to under the four corners of the Mueller Investigation and thought the president was in an okay spot. But all along they never thought they got straight answers from the president about this, and they never thought that they understood the full extent of the president s lee lags ship with Michael Cohen. So as this has gone forward, theyve really, really been in the dark. This is not like the investigation where they read through the questions the investigators wanted to and have an understanding of whats there. This is going on with knowing very little. Its not been smeared the way the Mueller Investigation has been smeared. You talked about they feel
inoculated from whatever the wit witchhunt is. This doesnt fall under the category of witchhunt. Why is it that Rod Rosenstein did not give mueller this aspect of the case and gave it to the prosecutors in the Southern District. By doing that, It Insulated Mueller from some of the criticisms that he truly is on an unending witchhunt thats looking at all sorts of things that have nothing with russia. These Career Prosecutors who do not have political faces, who do not have the Public Images that mueller has, has r have gone in and done this case. What does the president say . Is this part of the witchhunt . Is it a Justice Department wide thing . It insulated mueller. Do you think, eli, the fact this is getting more sprawling, not less, the fact that there are enemies within if the president doesnt make it, if the president is ever impeached in the house, it will not be the 17 angry democrats that he tweets about. It will be his former Campaign ChairmanPaul Manafort, his former fixer and personal
attorney Michael Cohen. It will be mike flynn. Hes been a cooperating witness for many, many months now. It will be his own inner circle that gave federal prosecutors and investigators evidence against him. There have been a lot of people indict the. I dont know if you heard the press secretary. The president didnt do anything wrong, i dont know why were talking about impeachment. This is a growing investigation, it keeps me taft sizing and getting bigger. No matter what the white house says theyre struggling to control it. The attorneys, as mike said, they dont know all the answers. They dont necessarily trust the president. Part of why this has gotten worse and worse because the president continues to talk. Every little thing that bubbles up from the press he has to respond to it. He answers these questions with a very sort of shortterm focus on getting past the story. So when the president has done that over and over again, you see him on Air Force One saying he knew nothing about the payment, weve heard mike l cohen and the president on tape discussing the payment. We know thats a lie. Even if the white house says its a ridiculous accusation hes lying, the whole country can see hes lying. The president himself who has told thousands of falsehoods over the course of his presidency on matters Big And Small is not very trustworthy and does not have a lot of credibility on this matter because weve seen already so many Big And Small efforts to mislead the American Public and investigators as well. Harry litman, the president s message on collusion went from no collusion almost like a tick to collusion isnt a crime. The president s message around cohen, we just showed the evolution from i didnt know anything about it to rudy saying he was reimbursed the president had a nonsensical word salad were going to spare our viewers of. He said on fox News Business later on i knew. You have to understand, ainsley, they werent taken out of Campaign Finance. The president goes on and on. Ill cliff note it for our
viewers. It was my money, it wasnt Campaign Finance money. But as you and heilman have been saying, they may be investigating a broader conspiracy. Can you speak to that . And also explain to me how the decision to make Michael Cohen someone who cooperates with multiple investigations may be something we dont know about yet, maybe something underway, may be something that is still going to happen, but Isnt Locked Down The Way emily has been explaining for two days to us now . Yes. So, two points. On the conspiracy, now, at least on these shows people are beginning to talk about conspiracy, not collusion, which is a good thing. And the first there is this very serious conspiracy that john outlined to influence the election, and then also in the next thing thats coming it appears lanny davis said, probably imprudently yesterday, that Michael Cohen has information about knowledge about the hacking. Thats the other broad conspiracy thats been alleged
by mueller, and that if the president is now stitched up in that, we have sort of a two different conspiracies hed have to fight. In general there are brush fires breaking out everywhere. On cohen, i think the key here, it is an odd procedural posture, but he has a very fine lawyer who is the former Criminal Division chief in sdny. And i think both parties wanted to lock this down quickly for different reasons, and they basically have a good faith understanding that they can reach given the credibility that guy petrillo has that he will, in fact he, cohen, in fact, will be cooperating both with sdny and with mueller and, in fact, he needs to do so because otherwise the crimes he pleaded to yesterday he just gets the full sheet and hes in front of a tough sentencer of five or six years. So i think we can expect a formal Cooperation Agreement
that hadnt been nailed down as of yesterday and we can expect him to go forward on both these conspiracy charges. Do you have any reporting on where a Cooperation Agreement stands . No different from what i reported yesterday which is talks between cohen and prosecutors, cohens attorney and prosecutors really only began the end of last week so this is just at the beginning. It feels like the guilty plea was the start, which seems to be backwards, but that is where they started and i dont think there is an update from yesterday. Cohen, from my sense, is still reeling from what happened yesterday. And very willing to cooperate. I mean, hes waiving his arms and saying pick me, pick me. Not only is he willing to cooperate. Lanny davis, his p. R. Attorney a good name. Been on television a million times since yesterday basically waving a red flag. Mueller, please call us. I got ask on morning joe, why not just go to mueller. Didnt really get a straight answer on that. They have phones. Heilman . There is no one ive paid attention to more than emily jane fox. Shes inside muellers head than any reporter. One of the things youve read, nothing about yesterday, as shocking as it was, is surprising. She said at the very top of the show. Michael cohen is throwing donald trump under the bus. Thats a colloquial way of putting it. If you read the art of the story, he came to understand as we saw yesterday, if he did not make some kind of deal, he could be in jail 40 years, right . Hes not going to go to jail for 40 years for donald trump. That sentence might be five years if he works out, this Cooperation Agreement gets settled, bob mueller eventually walks in in december when the sentencing come up, hes been helpful to us, id like to
recommend he has probation in six months. That is the game for him. How do i play this game out wait, wait, wait. So i dont have to go to jail at all. Its not just jail. This man is already in financial dire straits. Its hard for people to understand he lives a lavish lifestyle. He has been bleeding money for these attorneys for just the last couple of months. He has no clients. He is no longer a lawyer. Hes no longer Donald Trumps lawyer. He has no way of making money going forward. And so he is shelling out tens of Hundreds Of Thousands of dollars a month. Its not just about jail and its not just about him. He has a wife, he has two children and Young Children he has said this to me for the last six months that he has felt he has Collateral Damage and never has that been on public difficult play mo
display more than this week. Thank you for being here. The whisper goes to a roar after dramatic set backs. Will republic kanans finally gr spine . Donald trump has nothing but warm fuzzies for Paul Manafort who was convicted yet on eight of the charges got against him. Is a pardon next . Its not a beach town in italy, its what james comey had to say about the trump crew after first meeting them why hes more right now than ever. Be right back. With moderate to severe Crohns Disease, i was there, just not always where i needed to be. Is she alright . I hope so. So i talked to my doctor about humira. I learned humira is for people who still have symptoms of Crohns Disease after trying other medications. And the majority of people on humira saw significant symptom relief and many achieved remission in as little as 4 weeks. Humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. Serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened; as have blood, liver, and Nervous System problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening Heart Failure. Before treatment, get tested for tb. Tell your doctor if youve been to areas where certain fungal infections are common, and if youve had tb, hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have flulike symptoms or sores. Dont start humira if you have an infection. Be there for you, and them. Ask your gastroenterologist about humira. With humira, remission is possible. This wifi is fast. I know i know i know i know when did brian move back in . Brians back . He doesnt get my room. Hes only going to be here for like a week. Like a month, tops. Oh boy. Wifi fast enough for the whole family is simple, easy, awesome. In many cultures, young men would stay with their families until their 40s. This is a situation where a
court of the United States of america has accepted a guilty plea from someone who was the lawyer for the president of the United States, and that person in pleading guilty basically made very clear that it was the then candidate and now the president of the United States who directed him to commit a crime. This is a serious matter. Ive been here 11 1 2 years, and this is i dont think ive witnessed anything like ive witnessed over the last year and a half. Probably the American People havent in modern times. I feel like corker is desperate to scream. One of these days. Senators from both sides of the aisle in rare agreement these are historic times. In the wake of his former fixers guilty plea and his former Campaign Chairmans conviction, the Editorial Boards of the two largest papers paint trump as a crook. And even the wall street
journal Whose Editorial Parjs a pages are as editorial as they come, describe the news cycle like this. All of this reveals mr. Trump at his worst and shows why so many republicans had doubts about making him the partys nominee. Our friend Steve Schmidt was as always the most blunt writing, this means trumps presidency is not only illegitimate, but criminal. It means the president ial election was compromised by the most insidious criminal american in history. Trump is a traitor and putin determined the outcome. The Impeachment Bar has been reached. Joining us, University Professor and msnbc contributor. Joining the table, bill crystal, editor at large for the weekly standard. Eddie, let me start with you can you get yourself to the left of Steve Schmidt today . Oh, my goodness. Its hard. Ive been Walking Around for the last 24 hours with my mouth wide open trying to, trying to make sense of what happened
yesterday. As john said, it wasnt a surprise, but it made everything concrete. And so the question that we have to ask ourselves today is where is Mitch Mcconnell . Where is paul ryan . Were hearing the voices of Kamala Harris and corker, but where is the leadership of the Republican Party . And so we have to ask ourselves the question, will the Congress Actually perform its function . Or will they reveal that its not just simply the presidency that has been sullied, that the presidency has been deeply diminished, but congress itself has been diminished as well. I dont think theyre ever going to come out and say anything. If access hollywood didnt tip them over the edge, if people coming from bleephole countries didnt tip them, if all the examples of the president maligning and smearing the republicans running the Justice Department and the fbi havent tipped them over the edge, why would a guilty plea from a pretty shady fixer do it . I dont think it will in the short term im critical of the Congressional Republicans as anyone. I dont agree actually with steve and eddie on this. The Congressional Republicans have one important thing they need to do the next few months, protect mueller, protect the Justice Department, protect the investigation. I dont know if i could vote for impeachment on cohens plea. People who defend the rule of law must remember there is a will of law. Its not as clear as the rule of law. The key here im not trying to let the monkey off the back of the republican members. Theyve been terribly irresponsible and pathetic in not standing up to trump in many different ways. When impeachment comes, they have a serious responsibility to make sure the Justice Department continues to do the investigation unimpeded. Thats what they can do the next few months. I have a sense that the white house was more focused on the
possibility of impeachment than we may have understood. There is some reporting from your colleagues in your paper and others that they have sort of run the numbers and thought through the possibility of being impeachment in the house and already looking at the numbers in the senate. That was the whole thing about bringing giuliani on earlier this year, was that they determined the president had no realtime criminal exposure and all that mattered was the house. That was it. So giulianis job was to try and push Public Opinion as far as possible against the investigation. There are some polls that have shown that. And what he has done is he has made it confusing. He has raised all these arguments. Hes constantly on tv sort of adopting the model trump used during the campaign by just going out and talking and talking and talking. And they think thats been successful. And as much as yesterday changes things and it puts things out there in a different way and it looks like the ball is headed in one way with one investigation,
what does it really change . It all comes down to the republicans. Theyre the ones who hold the key. There is concern, maggie and your colleagues use fisher. The news cycle like yesterday may be the beginning of some cracks . Dont you think the republicans should have fissures more than we think. We are the fissures. We are the crackpots of the crack. More is going to have to be learned, right . Youre not a crack head. Thank you. We got that. We got it all. Mueller investigations are going forward. Not just mueller, the Southern District of new york. Rosenstein is an unsung hero. If you think about the coordination and supervision hes done, the protecting of the Southern District in this whole story, again, thats where i think republicans can do. Let the investigation go forward. Trump, it turns out, was actually he was right in a certain sense to hate as soon as mueller was appointed, he saw how dangerous it was. He saw that given his history,
financial, sexual, russiarelated, letting serious prosecutor, the former head of the fbi sexual, financial the Justice Department behind him start digging into this was terribly dangerous. But thats not what he did. He didnt have the nerve to quite fire mueller. The first several months of this investigation are the president trying to cooperate as much as possible. Dont you think trump always had the instinct this is dangerous its two track as we know. They sold him on docs and trying to Dee Legitimatize until Mueller Muell mueller increasingly bill and i were up late last night. You were, too, hanging around talking about the meaning of this. One of the things we agreed about, i think one of the things weve learned in these 18 months im going to republicans right now nothing is going to change their
behavior at all. Totally agree. Until, until there is a different calculus, electoral political selfinteresting calculus in play. The date for that is the date after the midterms. Maybe it wont change anything. Maybe republicans will keep the house. Maybe theyll keep the house and the senate and nothing will change. But im firmly of the belief if democrats win the control of the House Of Representatives and all these republicans who have been operating according to a certain math the last 18 months, it costs more to abandon trump for me than to stay with trump. Ill stay with him, i dont like it, but ill stay with him because leaving him costs me more. When they look up and 60 of their colleagues have lost their seats and democrats are now in control, they will have a different Math Equation to run at that point. And the question of what does it cost more to stick with him or leave him will be a different question than it has been the last 18 months. Im not predicting where they will come. Thats the moment when if its going to change thats the moment its going to change. Its going do change after november. Eli, thats the republican calculation. You sort of look at the
democrats as the inverse. How can the democrats lose with the president who more and more people shall d more and closely associated with his presidency are in bigger trouble. We ask the question, who are the leaders, whats the message of it. Theyve come up organically through primaries. They have candidates who fit districts than others. They have the wind at their back, no doubt about it. The white house, whether republicans want donald trump on the trail or not, hes coming. The white house is putting him out there. To a rally near you. Up until november because it makes the of president feel good to be out there and he likes to think of himself as the head of the party and he is whether people like it or not. And so hes mostly going, though, at least in the near term to a lot of red states where there are senate seats theyre trying to defend and they should defend. Is he going to these house races that are competitive where all these republican candidates are trying to make this calculation, what do i say about the
developments this week . How do i say hes not going. Trump is going to be surfing that imaginary red wave. Orange head riding a big red wave in his mind. Wave on the south lawn. People are underestimating. Its hard when youre in the middle one day in. What do candidates and Office Holders say . Youre running against Claire Mccaskill in missouri. What do you say . You cant avoid debating mccaskill. Mr. Holly, you want to be senator holly, how do you take your duty seriously if there is impeachment . Do you think some of this evidence is troubling . If he goes totally protrump, it will hurt him with swing voters. I think this causes more trouble for republican candidates as well as elected officials, maybe more for candidates in a funny way. If youre on capitol hill you can run from the cameras. Weve seen a republican run from the camera. They have. On a debate stage youre stuck. Let me ask eddie, why are they even today, even today i saw some flinching why not say, yes, when the Mueller Report comes out, if hes found to have obstructed justice, were going to vote to impeach him. Why are they so flinchy and nervous and awkward about the i word . Because i think they lack spine, nicolle. I think it has something to do with a kind of political calculus where theyre trying to find that sweet spot so that it can attract particular sorts of voters and not alienate their base. By playing it safe, i think theyre playing it dangerous here. But i wanted to go back to something that john and bill said. We can take it outside of the kind of politics, the political calculus, but what does it mean that politicians on the hill are going to make a decision about
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pardons work . Manafort may not have to go to jail but he would be required to testify in court. As the Wall Street Journal reports, beyond that former aides like mr. Manafort or cohen could lose constitutional immunity against selfincrimination if they were offered to testify in Matters Invofling mr. Trump. Barbara mcquade is back with us. You explained every inch of this Manafort Journey with us. Flesh out the idea even if trump pardons him, hes not safe for What Manafort could reveal about him and mr. Gates who is manaforts deputy who is already a cooperating witness. There is probably nowhere to hide from What Manafort and gates know. Yeah, you know, its interesting. Youd have to sort of game this out how it would work with a pardon. If manafort were pardoned, that means he is no longer able to be convicted of a crime and so that means he doesnt have a 5th
amendment right not to testify. That means that a prosecutor could compel him to testify and make him answer questions. A couple of wrinkles with that. Number one, when you compel a witness as opposed to having a witness cooperate, theyre a lot less likely to volunteer and tell the fulgt story. They may answer yes and no truthfully but theyre not going to volunteer the information you really need to tell a compelling narrative. Theyre not quite as useful as a cooperator. The other thing is im not so sure you could get that compulsion order. What you have to get from a judge based on a showing youre giving a person immunity or they dont have a 5th amendment right. There is the possibility of State Charges against Paul Manafort for other crimes. So i dont know that a pardon for federal offenses would completely get him off the hook because the president doesnt have the power to pardon for state offenses. So its a little more
complicated than saying once you pardon him, hes free to testify. Pardons have come up before. The president s former lawyer dangled pardons in front of flynn and manafort. Is that under scrutiny by the Special Counsel . Yes, they wanted to ask what they tried to do in regards to flynn and manafort. The other thing, this assumes manafort has something to offer, because manafort was looking at two serious cases in which a lot of the evidence is based on documents, that show he was convicted here. It was serious. They never made a deal. He wasnt around for that long, so what does he really . He was in the Trump Tower Meeting. If youre mueller, you need to talk to everyone that was in the Trump Tower Meeting before this investigation is over to feel like you did turnover every rock. Maybe manafort doesnt have much. Maybe there is no real way he can help mueller. The politics you talk about the equation. Does the politics for manafort if he doesnt have anything left to offer, gates may know as much
or more if the white house had any political shop of any significance, someone would be sitting around. So what do we get if just in terms always care about keeping the house. Pardons are always a bleep you to the prosecute erdos. That was the Common Thread people prosecuted by comey at this point youre talking about someone ipds. We i understand. Were talking about Paul Manafort and a couple months out from an election. If im in a shop and advising the president about the politics, what do we get, what do we lose . If the only thing we care about, the only way to save your presidency is to keep control of the house, what does this do on the Playing Field for House Republicans . And i dont think you get much in terms of politics because the base is already as spun up as it get. Pardoning manafort doesnt get
you more enthusiasm. You probably have some College Educated public leaning women who would be annoyed by this because it makes trump look guilty. The politics, if all you care about the house, the politics netnet, this is not a winner for trump. On top of that as you said, he loses his ability to plead the 5th. He might have to get called in front of Congressional Committee if he has anything to say. I think on just in a purely selfinterested way, it would be a bad dumb move for him to do this. Barbara, let me give you the last word. If you were the president s lawyer, would you be advising him to pardon manafort if he wanted to, or steer clear from making a decision like that at this point . Re it its really difficult. If youre trump you have to think about the legal implications as well as political implications. He can pardon later. Some issue pardon their last day, for example. In the meantime, manafort might have to continue to spend time in jail after hes sentenced. To do it right now seems to smack of potential Obstruction Of Justice if its done to try to prevent him from cooperating with Robert Mueller. Barbara mcquade, thank you so much. When we come back, a different way of looking at the robert Mueller Investigation. More signs that the Special Counsel is treating the president like a mob boss. It was here. I couldnt catch my breath. It was the last song of the night. It felt like my heart was skipping beats. They said i had afib. Whats afib . I knew that meant i was at a greater risk of stroke. I needed answers. My doctor and i chose xarelto® to help keep me protected from a stroke. Oncedaily xarelto®, a latestgeneration Blood Thinner significantly lowers the risk of stroke in people with afib not caused by a heart valve problem. Warfarin interferes with at least 6 of your bodys natural bloodclotting factors. Xarelto® is selective, targeting just one critical factor. For afib patients well managed on warfarin, there is limited information on how xarelto® compares in reducing the risk of stroke. Dont stop taking xarelto® without talking to your doctor, as this may increase your risk of stroke. While taking, you may bruise more easily, or take longer for bleeding to stop. Xarelto® can cause serious, and in rare cases, fatal bleeding. It may increase your risk of bleeding if you take certain medicines. Get help right away for unexpected bleeding or unusual bruising. Do not take xarelto® if you have an artificial heart valve
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work in Atlantic City that hes had these kind of, shall we say, shady connections. And it seems, given the allstar team mueller has pull together, theyve approached donald trump in this way. So theres concrete evidence, the analogy orients us perfectly. I think there is Something Real about how donald trump is being treated and how donald trump operates. And so its not farfetched at all. Theres a lot of attempts to draw parallels, the Mueller Probe is like the enron probe. The Mueller Probe is the Mueller Probe is like the gotty prosecution. A lot of people make that comparison to the prosecution. He acts that way in plain sight. Just take the tweet about manafort this morning and what the president is basically saying. Paul is a good boy, pauly didnt flip. Thats what hes saying. His view of the law is incredibly selective. We talk about him going on the campaign trail. What does he say on the campaign trail, what does he want to emphasize . Immigration. What did he say at the white
house this week with i. C. E. Officers . Were a nation of immigrants, but above all we are a nation of laws. Which laws . The laws seeing his associates prosecuted now the president tells us in real time, those Laws Dont Matter because for years i talked to people close to the president all day yesterday, this morning and they say he has this view of What Manafort did and what cohen did as sort of what everybody does. And he feels that he and his associates are being targeted unfairly because now hes president , and that may be true. None of this may be happening if he hadnt won the election, but this is where we are. And in his mind, this is something these are things, maybe theyre illegal, but people just do it theyve done for a long time. Its unfair hes being targeted. He thought about this. Who did he want to make Attorney General of the United States . Jeff sessions. What did he say . You reported this or someone what did he say . He said this publicly. Hes so disappointed in sessions because he thought sessions as Attorney General it would be loyal to him and would protect
him and would use the Justice Department for him. The analogy would be a mob boss who has the police in his pocket. He goes rogue andinvestigating. But where are we actually . I think everything 49 minutes in, i know youre dying to get in. Let me throw out one last question for all of you. Where are we right now in terms of the president s greatest threat . Is it all of his conduct in office, everything weve been talking about, dangling the pardons, the tweets, this Obstruction Of Justice . Is that what hes potentially in the most trouble for . Who knows. Theyre looking at it all. This is why i will just say the only thing i object to in this conversation is were talking about it like the mob thing is metaphor cal. Its not metaphorical. Felix sader was in bed with the russian mafia of he was an fbi informant against Russian Organized Crime. Donald trump has been dealing
with people in Organized Crime. American Organized Crime and Russian Organized Crime for his entire career. This is not and this is why the Michael Cohen thing is so threatening. Again, to go back to the point that schmidt made earlier today, the politics of this again, they have spent all this time demonizing the deep state, now its brennan, but first it was comey and then it was mueller. All of those people. Trump needs a boogieman but he goes after people he can point to and theyre his enemies. Theres nobody to point to in the Michael Cohen prosecution because we cant name any of the prosecutors in the sdny. Certainly no one in america can. Theres only one face in the Michael Cohen case and its Michael Cohen. Michael cohen was Donald Trumps lawyer for 12 years. What are you going to do . Michael cohen is a longtime liar, really . He was your lawyer for the last decade. Dont hire Michael Cohen. Who hired him . Donald trump. Hearing comey there reminded me and the whole mob theme of
the incredible miscalculation that trump made early on, which was to ask comey for loyalty. Trump never appreciated the Subtlies Of Washington where that would be such a problem. He came in as a new york businessman and immediately turns to jim comey of all people and says how can you be loyal . And his firing put much of this in motion. All right, we have to sneak in our last break. Up next, one of trumps first supporters, surprise surprise, also now finds himself in the crosshairs of Law Enforcement with trump at the head as the entire Republican Party looking more like a criminal enterprise . I believe, i really do believe that somethings got a hold on me, yeah oh, it must be love oh, somethings got a hold on me right now, child
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