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Them in their investigation into potential collusion between Trumps Campaign and russia. Ken will join us in a couple minutes. With steele availing himself to mueller and to the Senate Intelligence committee, it becomes more likely that the contents of his original report will be further investigated and potentially some of them confirmed. For a glimpse into how that might make the president feel, heres a look at his first public reaction to the dossier. I saw the information. I read the information. Outside of that meeting. Its all fake news. Its phony stuff. It didnt happen. And it was gotten by opponents of ours, as you know, because you reported it and so did many of the other people. It was a group of opponents that got together, sick people, and they put that crap together. Now, there are still questions about who paid for the original report, but i spoke to a wellrespected former National Security official in the uk this morning. He said that steele was known as a quote, good operator who understood russia and who compiled the report as an intelligence product comprised largely of human intelligence. He said that the process that both mueller and potentially the Senate Intelligence committee are undergoing would put that raw intelligence product through the kinds of rigorous checks that it would go through if steele were still an mi6 agent, and not a businessman. He said that if that results in a corroborative product it would potentially be of great interest to the investigation. To our experts now. Nbc news intelligence and National Security reporter, ken delanian. Michael crowley, Senior Foreign Affairs correspondent for politico. Boston heralds chief washington reporter Kimberly Atkins and joining us on the phone, msnbc National Security analyst, jeremy bash. Jeremy, let me start with you and ask you to respond to that reaction from someone who knew Christopher Steeles work product, someone who knew of his reputation in the uk, someone who knew of his knowledge and expertise when it came to russia, saying that if now this product that was created by a businessman is put through the rigors of an investigation like bob muellers or the Senate Intelligence committee, that it could potentially be very significant. What bob mueller will do is take the statements made in the steele dossier, they were essentially statements made by steeles sources and his subsources which steele recounted in those documents, and they will begin to try to align those with specific evidence, with travel records, with email, with telephone records, and they will try to figure out what checks out and that will provide additional leads and additional avenues of inquiry for the mueller investigators. Its one thing, important thing to note that bob muellers field investigators in this investigation are fbi agents. Fbi agents are the ones who are actually doing the work on behalf of the special counsel, and we know that Christopher Steele did enjoy good relationships, strong relationships, with line fbi agents in a variety of investigations. So i think there is going to be a lot of collaboration, a lot of work here as these investigative streams come together. Ken, let me ask you to speak to the story that you broke this afternoon, that there may in fact be some sort of breakthrough, some ability for the Senate Intelligence committee which just a couple days ago said they had hit a wall when it came to this dossier. That wall may not be there anymore, is that right . Well, depends on who you ask. Our sources for this story were sort of taking issue with the way the chairman of the intelligence committee, richard burr, characterized the situation with steele, saying we asked to talk to him and hes refused. Apparently its more complicated than that. Steele has offered to talk to the committee but they havent been able to come to an agreement on conditions, on the circumstances, and burr made it pretty clear he wants to know who paid for the dossier. That is something as i understand it that steele is unwilling to discuss. Hes not willing to go there. There also may be a debate about sources. Steele may be zealously guarding the identities of his sources. I also want to step back and say maybe frame this a little differently about how we should understand whats happening with the dossier. Dont forget, the dossier has been around, was published in january, and the fbi has had parts of it at least since last summer. So its not like they are just now starting to investigate. They have been investigating it all along. What i find significant about muellers team going to talk to steele now is it suggests they are still examining parts of it. They may have followup questions. There may be leads they are following and that they havent discounted parts of it. Thats remarkable, because as you know, this dossier makes extraordinary allegations against the president of the United States. And michael crowley, just to speak to sort of the care and caution with which i think we all exercise when we talk about it, that is largely around the explosive nature of some of the more salacious aspects but a smart man named ken dilanian told me to follow the money. I wonder if you can speak to sort of the connection between what the dossier suggests in terms of financial ties between the trump organization, the trump orbit, and russia, and where we know some of the Mueller Probe to be pushing and the kinds of things that have come out. Theres not a lot of leaks from the Mueller Probe but just based on the kinds of people we know hes interested in talking to, where do you see a potential overlay . Right. I think that its important to remember that the dossier describes a yearslong project to cultivate donald trump on the part of the kremlin, that long predates his president ial candidacy. It suggests that russia saw in trump a sort of potential asset on the basis of his wealth and fame many years ago, and describes various ways in which business deals, potential business deals and business relationships were a way for russia to cultivate trump. We know that mueller well, it appears to be the case based among other things we have heard i believe from Financial Institutions that there have been news stories suggesting some of their records have been summoned by mueller, that hes looking into Donald Trumps business records, real estate deals and i think that one can reliably or reasonably speculate that mueller is trying to figure out well, was this going on, did trump have business relationships with russia, potentially going back before the start of his president ial campaign, in which we would see evidence of, you know, big russian money potentially directed from the kremlin going into Trump Properties or trump businesses. This is all speculative right now, but its i think somewhat more plausible than the most explosive allegations in the dossier which suggests that, you know, there could be compremat on trump based on his personal behavior in moscow which hasnt been proven but would be pretty astounding, whereas the business relationship i think is something that people are watching more closely as a potential source of trouble for him. Kimberly, i would like you to weigh in on the fact that these two stories broke and exploded on cable news in the hour before the president held a public event with military leaders and their spouses, and made this bizarre comment that we were perhaps experiencing the calm before the storm. Now, he could have been talking about a new golf course or a war with north korea. We dont know. But we know he watches a lot of tv. We know that the russia investigation is his raw nerve. What do you think, do you have any theories or have you picked up from your sources any theories about what hes talking about with the calm before the storm . Yeah. You know, i think people honestly dont know even within the white house, they dont know. He was standing with military leaders, as you know. He likes to talk about the military strength of the United States. Maybe he was just saying something off the cuff and bombastic which he thought fit the occasion. We dont know. Perhaps he was trying to sort of lob something out there. Remember when he floated the idea of taped conversations with james comey that turned out not to exist at all. Perhaps he was lobbing that out there to take attention away from russia. Who knows. But my question was if this is the calm, whats calm . Hes threatening nuclear war with kim jongun on twitter and decertifying the iran preparing to decertify the iran nuclear deal. If this is calm, i would hate to see the storm. Jeremy bash, let me get you to weigh in on something you always put into two categories for me. There is an investigation into potential collusion between russia and the trump campaign. Those are things that happened largely before trump became president. There is also an investigation into whether or not theres an obstruction of justice case to be brought against the president or Anyone Around him. Can you talk to me, can you bring me back to these two new reports we have today that Michael Steele may be availing himself to the Senate Intel Committee, possibly, and last nights report that we know bob mueller traveled to meet with steele Christopher Steele. We have a lot of michael steels who are friends of this show. Christopher steele, the former British Intelligence official. Do you put the two developments around steele squarely into the collusion investigation oir is there any potential overlay from that obstruction of justice investigation . I think most of the detail in the dossier really go to the larger issue of what leverage the Russian Federation has over the trump organization, people inside trumps inner circle and ultimately the president of the United States. If you think very broadly, what is this investigation by the congressional intelligence committees, by the Senate Judiciary committee and bob mueller, what are they ultimately about . They boil down to leverage. In what ways has an adversary of the United States exerted and can they exert in the future leverage over the policy and Decision Making of the United States, and when someone like jim comey came to investigate those ties, and the president removed him from his position in hopes that would shut down the investigation, that is one of the ways you see potentially the hand of an adversary exerting leverage over the presidency. So this is a combination of criminal investigations but also very fundamentally, it is a National Security investigation. I think the information in the dossier ultimately go to both. Somebody mentioned, it might have been you, michael crowley, but this idea that the dossier contains the kind of information that the russians could have blackmailed this white house with. Is that part of bob muellers criminal investigation or is that part of sort of the larger picture of what russias role was in meddling with our democracy . Jeremy, you first, then back to you, michael. I think leveraging, its really about National Security, but i come back to kens point. I do think that the issue of the business ties, the dossier details and we also have other information about and we know that mueller is looking at it. s the o its one of the reasons he raided Paul Manaforts home. He wanted information manaport was not going to produce between historic ties. Those business ties potentially go to violation of federal criminal law and how russia has leverage. Michael, same question to you but also weigh in on the fact that the republican chair of the Senate Intel Committee did sort of speak to the chaix nges to t gop platform at the Republican Convention to reflect and put into the platform for the first time in gop Party History a more prorussia position. Right. I think jeremy put it well in terms of criminality versus National Security. Just add one more bead which is to say if there was this effort to cultivate trump through his businesses, maybe through russian money buying condos in trump buildings, you could have criminal charges against someone in the trump company, maybe not trump himself, who knew about this and was facilitating it, was welcoming russian money knowing it was part of some effort that had a larger motive or there was a quid pro quo involved. That would be a possibility but this of course is speculative. Now we are looking at this episode around the Republican National convention which like a lot of the episodes swirling around out there has never really been clearly explained. Why was there apparently an effort on the part of trump allies at the Republican Convention to deflect language from the republican platform that would have taken a much more hawkish position on ukraine and potentially arming the Ukrainian Government against russia. Its still a mystery who gave that order and apparently the Senate Intelligence committee is still looking into that question. One of the benefits of doing a volume business. Was someone else trying to jump in . I just want to make something clear. I had an interesting conversation today with a senior Law Enforcement official who reminded me there is no crime of collusion. Correct. So what mueller is investigating here are crimes and thats why the Financial Relationships are so important. Because its about it may be about money laundering, about tax evasion, about failure to register as a foreign lobbyist, and once he sunk his teeth into Donald Trumps finances including Financial Relationships with russia, who knows what he might find. There may be no provable collusion here but that may not mean the end of it for donald trump and the people around him. As you say, collusion in and of itself isnt a crime, just a National Security crisis. Ken and jeremy, thank you so much. When we come back, it used to be that when america sneezed the world caught a cold. What happens around the world when an american president teases the calm before the storm . Is that what bob corker meant when he said trump lacks stability . And if its friday, its always possible that donald trump is sending someone packing. One week ago today during this hour, it was hhs secretary tom price. Could Rex Tillerson be next . And president ial fury. We go inside the president s temper tantrum over being called a moron by his top diplomat. Stay with us. Woman for the holidays, we get a gift for mom and dad. And every year, we split it equally. Except for one of us. I write them a poem instead. And one for each of you too. Woman cool. That actually yours. That one. Yeah. Regardless, were stuck with the bill. To many, words are the most valuable currency. Last i checked, stores dont take words. Man some do. Oh. alert beeps not everyone can be the poetic voice of a generation. I know, right . Such a burden. Settle up with your friends on october 17th with the bank of america mobile banking app. Settle up with your friends on oc er 17th can i get some help. Watch his head. Im so happy. Whatever they went through, they went through together. Welcome guys. Life well planned. See what a Raymond James Financial Advisor can do for you. You guys know what this represents . The calm before the storm. Reporter whats the storm . The calm before the storm. Reporter what storm, mr. President . We have the worlds great military people in this room, i will tell you that. Thank you all for coming. Thank you. Reporter what storm, mr. President . Youll find out. Reporter give us a hint. Thank you, everybody. I thought this was the storm. That was the president with a cryptic, almost eerie statement yesterday. Today he continued to, i dont know, build suspense by teasing the coming storm. Thank you very much, everybody. Reporter mr. President , what did you mean by calm before the storm yesterday . What did you mean by that . Thank you very much. Youll find out. Reporter well find out . Lets bring in our panel to make sense of this. Joining us, doug thornell, former Senior Adviser to the dnc, donny, we are dropping the last name. Doni with a heart. John podorhetz and donny one name, what are we watching . We are watching a showman. When he first said it, he had all those generals around. We know he gets very stimulated when he has the military around him. He says wait, i will read stimulated . Thats gross. I think he gets very excited. Like alpha . Yeah. Hes got all these guys with guns and cannons and missiles and he says i will Say Something tough and strong. He brought the press corps back in. You could say when he said it, three seconds afterward he literally had a smile. If you are talking about a storm of raining fire and brimstone youre not smiling. And in the interview later on, he literally winked. We have to stop trying to analyze what he says. Its just tourettes of silliness. Thats it. Thats it. There was nothing behind it. Stephanie ruhle made this point at 9 00 a. M. , if you have a kid in the military its really not funny to see the commander in chief with a bunch of military leaders talking about the calm before the storm. Its incredibly reckless. I know the bar is so low its buried under ground but its incredibly reckless rhetoric to talk about the calm before the storm and to be laughing and joshing. Heres the problem. The problem is you are right. So you say this and everybody says it and twitter goes crazy and all of that, and then he does it again, everybody goes crazy, and then nothing happens and then his defenders go you see the liberals all go crazy when he just, you know, said something off the cuff trying to be funny and you all go crazy and you cant be trusted when you talk about him. So im warning you, this is an insane cycle. Trust me. This is what it will be like on sunday. I trust you. But i also hear the warnings not just on twitter but also from mo moms, he is the commander in chief of the most powerful military in the world. Lets not sit here and act like its responsible and normal. Its the most irresponsible but it is normalized behavior for him. Thats the reality. Of course its disgusting and irresponsible and frightening but until you normalize it, you cant manage it. Otherwise if barack obama said that or jogeorge w. Bush we wou be gearing up for war. Normalization is the only thing that makes you able to manage through it. I think donnys right. Those of us that have had experiences with him, good and bad throughout the decades, know thats trump. What we dont need to do and i think youre right, is we dont need to act like thats normal behavior for the president of the United States and act like oh, thats just trump. We should be saying thats trump and that is way out of line because of the gravity of the office that he holds. I also agree, i have to say, i think that trump will use this later, saying see, they act like i had meant all of this to use that to discount something when something does come down like mueller or somebody saying see, they told you i meant something here. You cant believe them on anything. You got to be very careful how you go. Let me just say. He was a chaos candidate. Right . Said jeb bush. Everything around his campaign was chaotic. You are seeing it in his administration. You mentioned the military families. Also what impact does this have on financial markets. Does wall street sort of discount everything he says now. Something like this should, but maybe they are, to your point what did the markets do today . We will find out. Finish your point. Go ahead. We are not normalizing him. 63 million americans normalized him as president. The Electoral College no doubt. No doubt. Acting as though there is some model of the presidency that he doesnt match, we all understand that for the next three and a half years hes going to be president of the United States at a minimum, in my view, though your dossier claims, people may be hoping that it will be shorter, and it is normal. This is normal. If you dont accept it as normal you are going to go bonkers. They are going to have to medicate you and strap you to a bed. I think the world has already gone bonkers. Let me say two things. On the dossier we are simply covering the developments as they become available to us. I agree with you, i think this is how hes going to govern. I also worked for a president who once talked about catching Osama Bin Laden dead or alive and it followed that model of when america sneezes the world catches a cold. Knowing he said that catching bin laden, the mastermind of 9 11, dead or alive was outside the boundaries of proper diplomatic speak was a major Public Relations crisis. We now have a commander in chief facing crises in north korea, potentially iran, wars being fought around the world, proxy wars between iran and its enemies. Saying calm before the storm could have a whole bunch of Foreign Policy implications or it could just be as bob corker said a man displaying he lacks the confidence and stability for the job he has. Which is it . The bar is so low, he gets to say pretty much whatever he wants. I wouldnt discount the idea this week he had a horrible trip to puerto rico. You have this story about the secretary of state calling him a moron. You had job numbers today that werent great. So how much of this is him trying to sort of distract away from negative news, it hasnt been a great week for him. I wouldnt put that past him. But yeah. I dont think he understands the gravity of what he says, nor does he understand sort of the power of his office. George w. Bush, george h. W. Bush, president clinton, president obama, if they went out there and said Something Like this, it would not only move markets but it would cause widespread i think panic among a lot of people. But they understood the power of the office. Absolutely. He doesnt. When you talk about, nicolle, when it was said about president we want bin laden dead or alive, you did not have that person having run for president saying i could shoot somebody in the middle of fifth avenue and my people would stay with me. He ran as an abnormal person. So he is acting as the normal abnormal person that he is. But that does not mean we start normalizing abnormal behavior in the oval office, unless we are going to accept that. So fine, we shouldnt go bonkers but we shouldnt accept it and not get ready to get that mess out of the white house. Its not that i disagree with you. Im just saying that the condition that we are in is you cant say, you can say whatever you want you are just further along in your therapy. He is the president. He talks this way. Hes a jerk. Theres nothing you can do about it. So if you dont sort of take it in and try to deal with it from where we stand instead of sitting here going this isnt the way it should be im not saying that. They dont put it past donald trump if the russia investigation closes in on him, to do something reckless on the world stage. Thats when it gets scary. Thats when i should be scared . At this point when he says calm before the storm and winks at you, that is what it is. Let me it is what it is. The issue is an unstable human being, period. Its the corker statement. We know that. There is no new news today. There is nothing to react to in that statement other than whats been going on for the last six months and 18 months of the campaign and it comes back to the simple answer to your question. The answer is yes, its what bob corker said. Unstable, unequipped, not right person in that job. Go ahead. What we see in trump for nine months, hes an unserious person. He is not a serious person. The idea maybe he would the idea hes just skating through this, saying are people being nice to me in puerto rico, im really sorry las vegas, going home, playing golf. You think he wants to start a war to distract people . Thats too hard. Thats not him. What you said is scary. No ones going anywhere. Just hitting pause. Being john kelly cant be all that its cracked up to be. His latest management crisis, keeping the president s National Security team on board as the nation grapples with north korea, iran and isis. Can trump live with a secretary of state that insulted him . You wouldnt do only half of your daily routine, so why treat your mouth any differently . Complete the job with listerine® help prevent plaque, early gum disease, bad breath and kill up to 99. 9 of germs. Listerine® bring out the bold™ now what . Well, after your first reaction, consider your choices. Go it alone, against the irs and its massive resources. Hire a law firm, where youre not a priority. Call your cpa, who can be required to testify against you. Or, call the tax law firm of moskowitz, llp. I went from being a cpa to a tax attorney because our clients needed more. Call us, and let us put our 30 years of tax experience to work for you. More now on the fallout from the rift between the president of the United States and his secretary of state. Nbc news reporting that chief of staff john kelly called Rex Tillerson to the principals office. Kelly quote, abruptly scrapped plans to travel with President Trump on wednesday so that he could try to contain his boss fury and manage the fallout from new revelations about tensions between the president and secretary of state Rex Tillerson. According to six Senior Administration officials. Kelly summoned tillerson and their ally, defense secretary james mattis, to the white house where the three of them huddled to discuss a path forward. Cabinet members huddling up to talk survival, people calling each other morons, rumors swirling about job security. Its friday at the white house. Michael crowley and kim atkins are back with us. My panel is here. Kimberly, what are you hearing about i guess the question in washington really isnt if, but when Rex Tillerson parts ways with this white house. Yeah. The pool has been going on for quite some time as to whether he will last until thanksgiving, let alone the end of the year because of these ongoing tensions. What struck me about this particular meeting that nbc reported is these are the folks who senator bob corker just said was what separated the world from chaos and they are getting together and dealing with their own internal chaos, this ongoing tension between Rex Tillerson and the president , also tensions between secretary tillerson and nikki haley, u. N. Ambassador, which has been going on since the beginning. Folks at the state department say that secretary tillerson is unhappy when nikki haley seems to go off the reservation and really push her own it seems foreign agenda policy which may, without clearing it first with the state department. Of course shes not a subordinate, she doesnt have to do that, but its adding to this intrigue, this ongoing multiprong tension among the people in charge of diplomatic efforts on behalf of the United States. Again, at a time when very big issues are before us involving north korea and iran. Michael crowley, nbc news had 12 sources in that original report that the secretary of state called donald trump a moron, and that it was Vice President pence who had to come in and counsel him on being respectful to the president both on air and in meetings. Something that the former spokesperson to the Vice President didnt deny when i pressed him about whether he quibbled with the word counsel and said he advises. We will let him have that. The Vice President advises cabinet secretaries on how to be respectful of the president. Let me ask you, if you take tillerson, what we have to assume this is honest assessment of the president as a moron, you have mattis testifying talk about normalizing. You have mattis testifying on the iran position different from what the white house is signaling is the president s instinct on the decertification potentially of that deal. You have also got tillerson disparaging or at least weighing in on nikki haleys job performance. I had held out the National Security team as sort of a bright spot, an oasis in an otherwise kchaotic, dysfunctionl administration. Are they just better at hiding it . Yeah. They had a stronger immune system i think but they are starting to get infected by the chaos disease thats run through the west wing. You know, theres the old saying its all fun and games until someone gets hurt. So there is something kind of satirical about this thats actually incredibly reminiscent of an episode of veep or something. You cant believe the secretary of state is having to go out and address reports that he called the president a moron. If john kerry had maybe just used a kind of lukewarm descriptor for barack obama, we would be talking about it for days. Like daylight between kerry and obama, this is amazing. Here you have the secretary of state not even denying he called the president a moron. But i go back to its all fun and games until someone gets hurt. Unfortunately, whats laying below all this is north korea, is iran, is nuclear weapons, is terrorism, and we have got to have our act together on this stuff. And we dont. Donald trump is undercutting his top diplomat at a time when the diplomat is in china trying to broker a diplomatic solution that will avert a potentially Nuclear Confrontation with north korea. Ultimately, its not funny at all. Its just incredibly surreal. Last quick point, you remember during the campaign all these Foreign Policy establishment people in the Republican Party signed letters saying i will never work for this guy. There were a lot of reasons for it but one of them was he just doesnt know what hes doing. He has no experience and hes not suited to manage american Foreign Policy. And you are kind of seeing that. The Foreign Policy is at the risk of going off the rails here and a lot of people are saying i warned you. Donny, you know donald trump. You and the rev, i want both your thoughts on this. How does he go to work every day with people who work for him who represent him on television, which seems to be his priority, who thinks so little of him that they dont we should say Rex Tillersons spokespeople hours after the press conference in which he did not deny calling the president a moron, denied he had ever called the president a moron but he still hasnt. He wont eventually. What makes a great ceo is when you hire people stronger than you. In this case, tillerson clearly from a management point of view is far superior to trump, but trump cant handle that. What tillerson is up against, even though they are both ceos, i worked for guys like tillerson. Fortune ten ceos. They are serious, serious people. Donald trump is a ceo but hes not a ceo. Hes just not. Hes talent. For the fact of tillerson having to work for, around, through this guy, versus the military guys that are strictly chain of command guys, you could see why its not going to work. The problems going to become is if you start to surround yourself with people, anybody other than military people, you are going to continue to run into the same im working for a moron problem. Rex tillerson is a terrible secretary of state. They have 67 people appointed, confirmed to jobs in the state department. At this time every other president had about 150. Right. Agencies are going headless, divisions are going headless. Is that all on tillerson . A lot is on tillerson. Some of it was on bannons Personnel Organization in the white house. He compared to donald trump, hes a much more competent. Not the same species. What im saying, if you compare him to john kerry and formers secretaries of state, yes. In terms of the competence of this administration thats the joke, tillerson, his heart isnt in the job. He doesnt talk to anybody in the press. He doesnt talk to anybody at foggy bottom in the building. He sits in his office, he looks depressed. Hes not into it. Everyone said he was going to do some state Department Reorganization and let the job go so all im saying is the joke is we are all talking about the stability of the team. He probably shouldnt be on the team. But if he were to leave the team now it would look like a disaster. It might be a joke but its not funny. When you asked donny and i, the point is with all of this, we are talking about the iran deal not recertified next week or the congress, we are talking about whats going on possibly with north korea and all, and you roll out the secretary of state to have a press conference about whether he called you a moron and he doesnt even deny it, and the real part, i was in ireland and south africa a week ago. The real problems around the world, they are not even debating that hes not a moron. I mean, with most president s i feel like im trapped the problem is what . Because its not even beyond the discussion that he is a moron. Thats the problem. Give us the last word. Tillerson never should have been secretary of state in the first place. Hes advocated to cut his own department which republicans have pushed back on. Hes fourth in line to the presidency. And look, this is just another, a continuation of the chaos in the administration. I dont know how Rex Tillerson sits, you know, he said he was trying to have a negotiation with north korea which was undercut by the president. How does he sit across from north korea or any country, for that matter, when they know that the president is about to basically cut his legs out from under him . We are going to be talking with those conflicting signals over the iran deal from the conflicted administration when we come back. Your brain is an amazing thing. But as you get older, it naturally begins to change, causing a lack of sharpness, or even trouble with recall. Thankfully, the breakthrough in prevagen helps your brain and actually improves memory. The secret is an ingredient originally discovered. In jellyfish. In clinical trials, prevagen has been shown to improve shortterm memory. Prevagen. The name to remember. And when youod sugar is a replace one meal. Choices. Or snack a day with glucerna. Made with carbsteady. To help minimize blood sugar spikes. 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The New York Times one of Many Organizations reporting that hes expected to decertify the agreement as part of a broader strategy to crack down on iran. Everyone is back with me. Doug, the concept of putting terrorism, of putting americans being held in iran, of putting their bad behavior in the region in the deal is not a bad one. It simply wasnt what was agreed to. So what do you make of the fact that when donald trump gets involved, things sometimes become more popular. Im thinking of obamacare which wasnt universally popular among democrats but once donald trump came out against it, it became more popular. The iran deal was frankly controversial within the Democratic Caucus. You had hard liners on iran in the Democratic Caucus who werent for the deal at the time. John kerry and his energy as secretary and the president had to sell it. What do you make of the fact that now the president s talking about perhaps decertifying it, its a pretty partisan debate with democrats largely celebrating a deal that even some of them were skeptical of. The deal has been working. There have been technical violations. Its not perfect. His own secretary of state certified it, the iaea certified it. Its not perfect. It wasnt intended to accomplish everything we want to change about iran. Well, nothing. It was just a nuclear it was to disrupt and stall the Nuclear Program. I think the alternative right now that i think Congressional Republicans are looking at is what is the alternative. Do they reinstate sanctions and that could make the whole deal fall apart. I dont think republicans really want to have to deal with that. I think trump really is looking at this as this is Steve Bannons white board that he had up on all the promises he made and this is a way that trump can go out and say to those folks look, i decertified the deal but there is no strategy in iran and there is no sort of whats the next step after that. I think that ultimately is going to be why probably Congressional Republicans, even if it is decertified dont do anything. Let me play something for you. I want to hear from you next. Let me show you how mattis responded. Do you believe its in our National Security interest at the present time to remain in the jcpoa . Thats a yes or no question. Yes, senator, i do. I believe at this point in time, absent indications to the contrary, it is something the president should consider staying with. Okay. Quickly, after mattis spoke and last week or the week before, i cant remember quite when, the iaea said that it could not certify that iran was not developing Ballistic Missiles or nuclear missiles. So i have to correct that. Thats one thing. They have certified in the past. Yeah, but it did not this week. It said specifically it could not do what the certification process requires in the u. S. Law. The other is that the law says the president has to certify that the deal is in the National Security interests of the United States. So that is a very broad thing. If he says because there are americans being held in iran, it is not in the National Security interests of the United States, that is an interpretation the president can make. And of course the other thing is the decertification of the deal does not mean you pull out of the deal. The congress has to do that. The congress has to deal with it. The other thing i want to say is mike, warren and steve hayes of the Weekly Standard have a fantastic report in the Current Issue about how 90 days ago when he had to do it last, he told them at 10 00 in the morning im pulling out. Then by 7 00 at night, he had been convinced not to pull out and stayed in. That sets up michael crowley. I want to ask you, as someone who has to cover what the white house or the administration might do in the iran deal, how difficult is it to get my understanding is people get a different story from every corner, every pocket of this administration. Yeah. Although i think its starting to zero in on the conclusion that they have come to this solution which is that trump gets sort of the politics that he wants which is his own announcement is i think this is a bum deal and im not going to recertify it. Then they dont press the they dont press the congress to reimpose the sanctions, which would actually constitute blowing up the deal. It is a little built of washington kabuki show where the outcome is preordained. When we talk about what the deal covers and doesnt cover, remember, iran was very close to having the capability of building a nuclear bomb when this deal was concluded. They didnt have the luxury of Everything Else iran was doing, they were trying to stop the Nuclear Program before there was a confrontation. Thank you so much for spending time with us. Up next, well hear from one of the loudest critics of the response to puerto rico. Look at the president offering his support today for americans in puerto rico. We are also praying for the people of puerto rico. We love puerto rico. [ pronouncing it ]. We love you and we also love puerto rico. Thank you so much. Thank you so were a go . Yes we got a yes what does that mean for purchasing . Purchase. Lets do this. Got it. Book the flights hai si si ya ya ya what does that mean for us . We can get stuff. Whats it mean for shipping . Ship the goods. 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