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Election. They had a very robust and lengthy exchange on the subject. The president pressed president putin on more than one occasion regarding russian involvement. President putin denied such involvement as i think he has in the past. The two leaders agreed though that this is a substantial hindrance and the ability of us to move the russian u. S. Relationship forward and agreed to exchange further work regarding commitments of noninterference. And for a meeting that started with a hand shake and an american president describing it as an honor to be with putin, this too from the secretary of state. There was a very clear, positive chemistry between the two. I think again and i think the positive thing i observed and i have had many, many meetings with president putin before, is there was not a lot of relitigating of the past. Mr. Secretary, can you say if the president was unequivocal in his view if russia meddled in the election or produced evidence . The russians have asked for proof and evidence. Ill leave that to the Intelligence Community to address. The answer to that question. And again, i think i think the president at this point he pressed him and then, you know, felt like at this point lets talk about how do we go forward. Yeah, lets. Heres how the secretarys counterpart, Sergey Lavrov, described that part of the meeting saying that President Trump accepted putins Election Hacking denial. Trump raised the topic of elections in the talks thinking that anything that these allegations are groundless. Thats what he said. President trump has said that he has heard clearly from mr. Putin that the russian government has not interfered in the elections and he accepts these the things that putin mr. Putin has said. President trump said that in the u. S. , there are still some circles who are talking about the russian alleged intrusion and russian alleged attempt to influence the u. S. Elections. So President Trump and president putin has discussed these issues and all these issues will become matters for our cooperation and the special Electoral Group that were created towards that. The fourth thing is that we have agreed to expedite the procedure to for near to the u. S. This is the scene right now in hamburg. Protests so large that First Lady Melania Trump had to cancel an appearance this morning. Well be keeping an eye on that. Lets get to our team of reporters. Nbcs Peter Alexander is in hamburg. Also joining us, New York Times White House Correspondent peter baker and International Affair columnist Susan Glasser and hans nichols at the pentagon. Peter alexander, already i dont know if theyre different versions but certainly different nuances on the question of meddling. It sounds like secretary tillerson who is really making his first high profile foray as secretary of state by coming out of the meeting and saying they had great chemistry and how President Trump did raise the issue, but Sergey Lavrov who said that President Trump accepted putins denial. Yeah, to be clear about that, nicolle, just as soon as we heard secretary tillerson wrap up his remarks and we heard also from the foreign minister lavrov, we reached out to the white house official who is disputing lavrovs basically the assertion that donald trump did accept that denial from Vladimir Putin. But be clear in simple terms. This is sort of an agree to disagree moment. This issue remains unresolved. Even as the two sides said they had agreed to sort of a working group, a Cyber Security task force to talk about issues of interference broadly Going Forward in the future. And the president , President Trump, gets to say that he raised this issue as you heard from secretary tillerson. It was robust and lengthy exchange on that topic, that hes from that he pressed Vladimir Putin on it multiple times and when he asked for proof, secretary tillerson said we leave that to the Intelligence Community. President trump even cast doubt on the Intelligence Communitys only assessment that russia had meddled in the election. At the end of the day i think people will be able to take away from what they want. Others will be satisfied that he brought it up and others are dissatisfied he didnt push forward. In the words of Rex Tillerson at some word we need to move forward. Peter alexander, obviously the white house had a very Clear Strategy for this meeting and i suspect it all week that they were deliberately lowering expectations when hr mcmaster said that the president will talk about whatever is on his mind. I assume they want us to look at the ceasefire in syria as a major deliverable from this lengthy session. Is that the case . Yeah, no, i think thats right. I think the president has always cast himself as a deal maker. He leaves this first significant meeting on the world stage, of course hes had some series of other bilateral meetings in recent weeks and months but this one being the biggest one. He comes out with a deal, a ceasefire in southwest syria. Beyond that, of course, i think what was notable is that they got to stay on the message by putting Rex Tillerson out in front. While the president we heard yesterday in warsaw and teleprompter, he delivers the message as the white house desires it but when hes asked questions in a News Conference sometimes he can get off the message. Here today Rex Tillerson kept him really on topic as it were and beyond that at the end of this day, they get to say, hey, we thought it would go 30 minutes. This thing went 130 minutes. You suspect there couldnt be cooperation look at all the cooperation we had to work at. Peter baker, you have been a critical eye on many a white house readout from a bilat, with Vladimir Putin and others. I wonder what you make of the fact that coming right out of this the only two government officials to have been in the room with the two leaders and to read them out told different stories on the very vital question of russian meddling in the 2016 election. No, they did. Thats very important obviously. And its not its not atypical of a meeting with the russian officials to come out with the different understanding of what was said. Now, youre right. I mean, literally minutes after this meeting is over you have them providing very different account of whether or not President Trump accepted president putins denial of any involvement in the u. S. Election last year. Thats not a small point. Its an important point. Whether minister lavrov is exaggerating what trump is saying or not, thats an open question. Russians are known to spin conversations to their benefit in the past. Look at how they handled the meeting between lavrov and President Trump in the oval office a month ago. It leaves questions open. And you heard democrats back here in washington criticizing the president for seeming to give equal weight to the americans intelligence conclusions and the russians conclusions. Susan glasser, let me bring you in on this with your own extensive body of knowledge of Vladimir Putin and all things russia, what do you make of the reference to certain circles . It looked like lavrov was trying to align his leader as a skeptic, that includes every National Security and intelligence official thats testified before congress on this very specific question. So what do you make of the positioning and have the russians already one upped the americans in terms of getting out their spin on the question of russian hacking before we did and more effectively maybe than we did . Well, i think the answer is a little bit embedded in the question there, nicolle. I do agree with you that in fact the russians by disputing in effect tillersons readout of the meeting have already muddied the waters on this. So they have already ensured it seems to me that the question of trump and what trump and putin really said about the russian 2016 hacking will inevitably be a big part of the news story overshadowing in a way whatever they did agree to on syria which its still unclear to me exactly how significant that is. There have been ceasefires in the past that russia and the United States have agreed to. So theres a syria thing, but already here we are once again talking about what really happened in the meeting between putin and trump. If trumps goal was to put that russia controversy behind him, i dont think thats happened as a course of this conversation. By the way, lavrov the Russian Foreign minister is a veteran of these kinds of meetings and i think, you know, whatever he did, he did very purposefully. And basically, they have now not only confused us as to what exactly occurred between trump and putin but even if you discount what lavrov said and you just listened to what tillerson said by his own account, it was a an extremely positive interchange between putin and trump. I think they were clearly making common cause, even at the press expense in the public repertoire. So it was an extremely positive meeting between trump and putin, and not a stern finger i wagging about the election and then there was the issue of lets just move on. So trump wasnt in there saying, you know, theres going to be serious repercussions from this or anything of the sort. I mean, susan, you make me sort of contemplate with the what the optics might have been. If the americans had stormed out, said we couldnt get to the rest of our agenda. We wanted to spend two hours and 15 minutes with the russians because theres so much we can do. We can collaborate on syria. We could collaborate on isis. But if they had actually said we cant get beyond your inability or year reluctance to concede the point what everyone said i mean, the optics really are not that great to have spent over two hours with someone and to not have a concession from the russians that no, well never do it again. Seems to me like a clear loss and a clear failure and youre right. Tillerson is not denying lavrovs account. Hes sort of staying silent on the question of whether or not trump accepted his denial or not. Hes not de i mean, i know we have peters reporting and theres no reason to question it. But its not clear from tillerson who again is the only white house official who was in the room, its not clear from tillersons Public Comments that trump didnt accept putins denial. Is it . No i think your point is very important. If tillerson is denying it, then he should come out and say that, or issue a clarifying statement and that would be very interesting if were now in a he said he said situation. But my guess is that you find some way of squaring this circle. These are very skillful diplomats both of them. Theyre careful with words and theres a way to square it. But your other point is an important one, which is to say why didnt putin why wasnt he pressed further by trump . Well, trump gave us the answer himself it seems to me in the News Conference in poland. Even donald trump on the eve of this meeting with putin has not accepted fully the finding of u. S. Intelligence agencies that it was russian meddling. He continues to say perhaps it was other countries as well. So clearly, donald trump is not going to go into this meeting with putin and make a big issue of it. And its surprising i think to a lot of people that he raised it at all. That was the low bar i have been talking about all week. So low it could have been underground. Hans, it to bring you in on the question of the temporary ceasefire in southwestern syria because a former obama official with National Security responsibilities said to me this has been tried before. How big of a deal is this and how optimistic are folks that you cover that this is a significant breakthrough if it is at all . Its not so much optimism because this is a part of syria where the u. S. Has virtually no presence. Every morning we get flight ops, strike lists and its almost all along the euphrates valley. Nothing really happens there. And in terms of u. S. Air power in southwestern syria. Thats why this is so curious. When this first broke i was at an event with the British Defense minister. He was dismissive of it because they tried ceasefires before. But when we asked around at the pentagon they said check with state. They didnt appear at least some quarters here appear to know that this was in the works. Again, there arent a lot of operations. U. S. Side in southwest syria. All the action is up in the euphrates and in the valley. What you do have in this part of syria is some rebel groups that are challenging the regime, but its unclear how jordan, the u. S. And russia, the three parties of that are really part of that conversation. So theres a lot we dont know about this ceasefire and its puzzling on many aspects. Hans, this is the second time this week they have told you to go check with the state department. I think you should i think you should ask andrea for a little bit of her beat since you keep getting the brushoff. I clearly need the help. Shes a better reporter. Shes the best. You are too. My thanks to Peter Alexander, peter baker, Susan Glasser and hans nichols. Thank you for spending some time with me. When we come back for two men who never met until today, their comments on election meddling sound similar. Dont let the photoops fool you. 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I think it could have been russia but i think it could have been other countries and i wont be specific. Put your finger anywhere on the map of the world and everywhere you will hear complaints that american officials are interfering in internal electoral processes. I think a lot of people interfere. I think its been happening for a long time. For many, many years. One says tomato, one says tomato. Rex tillerson said President Trump pressed putin, but his own words raised questions about how seriously he takes the issue. Joining me is ambassador nick burns, a former u. S. Ambassador to nato who is now harvards now at Harvards Kennedy school of government. I know you testified very forcefully and passionately and you said it would be a dereliction of duty for an american president not to acknowledge russias role in hacking. I wonder if you were satisfied by the readout you heard from americas secretary of state Rex Tillerson . Well, nicolle, its certainly positive that President Trump raised the issue directly with president putin. He had to do that to defend our country. Its not surprising that putin would deny it or try to obfuscate it by blaming it on other countries and a you saw general clappers interview with andrea at noon and that they were united on russia being the hackers. If thats the case i think President Trump in leaving that meeting on a call for sanctions against he ought to call for sanctions against russia. He ought to make it hurt and make the russians understand if they planned to intervene in the midterms in 2018 or in the general election in 2020 theres a severe penalty and the advantage to President Trump in doing this is that the senate voted 972 to sanction russia and the bill is now in the house of representatives. I think thats the appropriate, effective next step. Let me ask you about how the meetings go down. So were told that President Trump raised the question of russian meddling in our 2016 election at the beginning of the meeting. We are told by the russians by Sergey Lavrov that putin denied it and President Trump accepted that denial. The meeting then went on presumably for another two hours. Whose version of the meeting do you accept, that donald trump accepted putins denial . Or this notion that the white house is pushing back against that . Because it seems to me that if you went on for another two hours, maybe you said what you had to say to keep everyone in the room. Well, i think that youre right, that it all depends on how it was said, with what degree of conviction and strength and frankly if putin denied that he interfered in our elections we should not accept that denial. Because we know that he and his foreign minister are accustomed to fabricating information and we also know that our Intelligence Community is its a rare thing, completely united on what happened. So we cannot accept the denial. The only possible recourse here it seems to me is sanctions. And Republican Leaders are calling for it. Democratic leaders are calling for it in both houses of congress. Putin has to understand thats a penalty. You cant get away with disavowing it and expect that our president will take that at face value. Ambassador nick burns, thank you so much for hopping on the phone with us and spending some time with us. I want to bring in my panel. Friday date, the rev al sharpton, president of the National Action network along with yahoo news anchor, and White House Reporter jonathan what mere and with us from providence, Robert Traynham, former adviser to the bush cheney campaign. I want to start with you. You have been monitoring the Russian Press and the american press, but they are they were the first to sort of report on lavrovs description of this meeting being that donald trump accepted putins denial. Yeah, rt tweeted out that they accepted the denial and they went on to talk about the other issues like ukraine and syria. Listen, the president walked in with a weaker hand because he throughout the past few months, throughout the election has questioned his intelligence agencies, he has questioned what they have said. What they have unanimously said that the russia tried to interfere in our elections. How can he go in and confront Vladimir Putin and say, stop it in a serious manner without Vladimir Putin saying, what are you talking about . Of course i didnt do it, but listen to what you have been saying. You dont even believe your own intelligence communities. There are many similarities, but many differences and one is that Vladimir Putin will never publicly question or disparage his own intelligence agencies. So from that perspective the president couldnt offer anything other than raising the subject and moving on to something else. Do you think donald trump thinks that today went well . I think he largely does. I mean, Vladimir Putin has had an outsized place in President Trumps mind since 2013 when he was a celebrity developer and reality star. When in 2013 he said, i think we could be best friends. And retweeting about a beauty pammant in moscow. He is someone that he said was a stronger leader than president obama and of course he has discounted time and time again the findings of the Intelligence Community that russia was behind the hacking. He raised doubt over and over in part because any suggestion of Election Hacking in President Trumps mind fuels this talk he might not be a legitimate president. We know hes deeply insecure about the loss of the popular vote and about this too. I think he went in toe to toe with Vladimir Putin for two hours and 15 minutes. He said something about the election happening which was not a guarantee. Yesterday he sort of suggested he may not bring it up. Today he did. He was in there. He spent a long time in there. He probably feels good about it. I thought all week that the white house was deliberately lowering the bar so low that anything that happened in this meeting would have been viewed as a success. But i think that could obscure the reality which is that no one knows what President Trump said when putin denied meddling in our elections and we know theres no discrepancy between what the Intelligence Services say between what the National Security folks, between what what the Homeland Security folks testified to and the military experts. What is sort of the catalyst for unpacking what under girds that constant reflex to sort of have putins back . Well, i think that the fact is that unless this president , donald trump, comes out and says, all right, fine, he says this, our Intelligence Forces Say Something else, i support that and im calling on the house to agree with the senate on sanctions and if we find out down the road were wrong then we can revisit and remove sanctions. Anything short of that, then i have to go with lavrov, that he accepted what putin said. Because theres no penalty. I mean, if youre in court and a guy says im innocent and the judge says, all right, go home, then what are we talking about here . Unless there is a penalty here, he accepted it. You have to remember, nicolle, hes in the room with tillerson who got the highest soviet award you can get as a nonsoviet person. And with lavrov who he told him, dont forget, i fired the nutjob the guy investing this. He referred to the investigator as a nutjob or a nut case. Its crazy. Robert traynham, so Sergey Lavrov has been in the room with the president before. He was in there with Sergey Kislyak who was the Russian Ambassador to washington. And the rev is right, he said in front of them, firing james comey relieved some of the pressure on the u. S. russian relationship. What do you think went down in the two hour and 15 minute period . Give us the positive and the negative. Any ceasefire in syria is good news for all the civilians there. Absolutely. Look, starting with the positive youre right. Talking about syria and coming one a ceasefire, thats a home run for the president. I suspect and you know this better than anybody else that the president s staff probably set the bar really low by saying, look, well schedule this, well tell everyone this is 30 minutes. If it goes 35 minutes thats a home run. If it goes 40 minutes thats a home run. You know what also for the optic sakes lets throw in the first lady, lets try to interrupt the meeting. You know, mr. President , if you feel that the meeting is going pretty well, wave us away. You know what reminded me you go on a blind date and you have a friend text you ten minutes in in case you show up and it stinks. It seems like a ruse to me. All the spin and optics like they were trying to be russian. Absolutely. But look, the reality is that it worked, right . Because look the president s staff knew that if in fact they did not proactively bring up the russian thing, tomorrows and tonights headlines would be about the hacking stuff. If he came out in 10 or 15 minutes the headlines would have been that putin rolled the president. So the reality is starting off with the positive again, i think from an optics standpoint, i give this i give the Trump White House a bplus, aminus. In terms of the substance we dont know. But in terms of the optics i have to give the white house a solid bplus for this. I think they did a pretty good job. All right. Well take a very quick break. But up next, more dangerous clashes as protesters and police face off near the g20 summit. Nbcs keir simmons is right in the middle of it all. He joins us when we come back. Theres nothing more important to me than my vacation. So when i need to book a hotel room, i want someone that makes it easy. Booking. Com gets it. And with their price match, i know im getting the best price every time. Visit booking. Com. Booking. Yeah could be preventedrrent with the right steps. And take it from me, every step counts. A bayer aspirin regimen is one of those steps in helping prevent another stroke. Be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. As 20 of the worlds most powerful leaders convene in hamburg, germany, chaos has hit the streets. As many as 10,000 protesters are on the fringes of the summit. Police are fending them off with Water Cannons and tear gas. Keir simmons has been in the middle of all of it. Whats the scene right now . Reporter nicolle, you just you have to excuse me a little bit. Because we got a face full of the tear gas before you came to us. But the protesters have taken control of these streets, nicolle. They have lit that fire. And in another direction another fire. Lets just point out that that further back is the police front line. The police have been there now i would say for an hour, two hours. Not making any progress. Because every time they push the protesters away, the protesters, the rioters come back with bottles and debris and pieces of concrete that theyre smashing to use to throw and they are throwing them at the police. And then cheering when they manage to push the police offensive back again. Let me just show you one thing. There are guys climbing this scaffolding, putting up posters. I guess getting into this building. This is complete chaos on the streets of hamburg. Let me just take you in this direction because this is where there have been the most costly fought battles with protesters. Lets look at that fire there. Where you can see how little control the police have over this area by the fact that the fire has been able to burn, burn down like that. Okay. Were going to go down this street where there have been continuing battles with protesters. As you can see, those are still playing out. There is Water Cannons being used in anger. But i have to tell you, there have been there has been a water cannon firing here for hours. And they havent managed to take control. We are told that there are stores here there you go. Theres that water cannon again. You can see that some of the guys some of these rioters now are picking up bits of concrete that they have managed to smash and they are throwing them at the police. Look at that scene. Look at that street. This is pitch battles with the police and what are protesters and rioters and criminal elements now. We are being told that store shop fronts have been smashed and that property is being taken from those stores. Miguel our camera man is just getting a shot incredible shot of this Police Water Cannon pushing back anyone who gets close to it. But nicolle, these are stunning scenes when you think that this is happening a mile or so away from where the g20 leaders have been having dinner. President trump, the first lady. I want to ask you, have the police lost control of the area in which the protesters were supposed to be having their protest . Because i understand that First Lady Melania Trump had to cancel an event this morning. So i wonder if the police and the authorities have lost control of the territory that was supposed to contain the protests in . Reporter well, they definitely lost control of this area. I mean, you know, you can see we have been here now for a number of hours. Now, let me just im going to pause because it did sound as if we were going to get a police a police pushing through here. But they but they have lost control. Just look this way. Look at the chaos on this street. Another fire further down there. I mean, this is an area that is a distance away from where the g20 is being held, nicolle. I have seen a diplomatic convoy attacked by protesters. I dont think that any of the that any world leader was in that convoy. But still, i think one aspect of this is that the police are more satisfied to leave these guys here because they arent threatening the g20 itself. But its not the kind of image you have to assume that Angela Merkel wanted. You can see the extraordinary, continued running battles that these protesters are having with the police. That is what we mean when we say that the German Authorities have lost control of this part of this city. All right, keir simmons, im going to mother hen you and tell you to please please please stay safe. Come back with us any more dramatic developments there. Still ahead, despite his high stakes meeting today, President Trump had other things on his mind this morning calling out of all people on the day hes meeting with Vladimir Putin former Clinton Campaign chairman john podesta. More on his bizarre tweet next. [vo] progress is seizing the moment. Your summer moment awaits you now that the summer of audi sales event is here. Audi will cover your first months lease payment on select models during the summer of audi sales event. Ive got a nice long life ahead. Big plans. So when i found out medicare doesnt pay all my medical expenses, i looked at my options. Then i got a Medicare Supplement insurance plan. [ male announcer ] if youre eligible for medicare, you may know it only covers about 80 of your part b medical expenses. The rest is up to you. 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Well, what do you think about that . So i was with the president on his last foreign trip and during that time he received high marks for his twitter discipline. In fact, he barely tweeted at all. If he did it was just photos or standard politician stuff. Clearly hes restored the International Service plan to his phone. And this sounds much more like him. Yeah. And that this is something it again shows hes unable to get passed what happened last year. That hes trying to shift blame. Again, hours before hes meeting with president putin hes trying to make the democratic side of the Election Hacking the real story. Al, rev, i felt this way about yesterday where the adults on trumps staff wanted us to focus on the teleprompter, 35 minute speech and more stuff. But he woke up and went to the press conference and he beat up on the press, called us fake news. He was this wishywashy, you know, muddied water version of the russian hack which isnt muddy at all in anyones eyes except his. What do you make of sort of the sunrise tweets this morning . I mean, i think that when you its scary in the sense when you think the president of the United States at g20 with all of the concerns we have now, were looking at the syria situation, were looking at north korea and all. And hes worried about john podesta . I mean, thats what hes thinking about . And then hes hearing in his head that everybodys talking about this . Hearing in his head. These are the things in his head hes hearing. But i think that if you look at the fact that hes talking about podesta this morning, hes talking about all of this yesterday. If this is the mentality you know between japan and the europeans. Sort of we no we know he doesnt care about that. So podesta said, thank god he went on vacation with his service plan intact because he wrote im on a Cross Country trip with my wife, pulled in for a pit stop to see our whack job potus real donald trump is tweeting about me at the g20. Get a grip, the russians committed a crime when they stole my emails to get you elected president. By the way i had nothing to do with the dnc. God only knows if youll be raving about my on twitter by the time we get to utah. Dude, get your head in the game. Youre representing the United States at the g20. So Robert Traynham, just at a factual level, there was so much wrong with the president s tweets. Clearly the plan to vet the tweets through a legal Fact Checking process a bust. But Donna Brazile was the chair of the dnc after Debbie Wasserman schultz so at no point was podesta the dnc chair. As i remember this he turned over i mean, he was the victim of a crime that was committed against him. So john podesta had always cooperated with law enforcement. Where do you start to process everything thats wrong with the way that the leader of the free world woke up this morning . So i have a theory behind this. Donald trump knew exactly what he was doing. Remember, hes a producer. Remember, he knows the Television Like better than anyone else. I think in his mind, i think he was trying to say, you know what, about this whole russia thing, let me talk to putin about this. But let me throw everyone off the scent here and tweet about john podesta. The reality is that no one outside of washington, d. C. Knows who john podesta is with the exception of Vladimir Putin. So in Donald Trumps head i think he was trying to produce this from thousands of miles apart. I know that sounds twisted but this is what the president does. Hes crazy like a fox. He understands remember, donald trump not speaking to us. Hes not speaking to the corridor. He is speaking to the people who voted for him and im quoting him directly. I can go out and shoot someone on fifth avenue and my supporters will still support me. Hes speaking to his base and whats also ironic about this, nicolle, is the tens of thousands of people that retweeted and that liked his comment. So again, donald trump is speaking to his base. He knows what hes doing here. At least thats my theory. I remember traveling with a president and before a meeting, especially one with putin, he would have been getting briefed but pruitt once told our friend and colleague Mika Brzezinski who he trusts on foreign policy, he said i speak to myself, i have a very good brain, i talk to a lot of people at the appropriate time ill tell you who those people are. But i speak to a lot of people but my priority consultant is myself. And i have you know, i have a good instinct for this stuff. Is Robert Traynham right . Is his brain all he needs before a meeting with Vladimir Putin . Well, unfortunately the answer is no. I think i say unfortunately because he represents us as americans. He went into the meeting obviously knowing he has to address hacking in some way, shape or form. He went after john podesta and the russians were the ones who stole his email, hacked into his email so how does he go after podesta and then meet with Vladimir Putin and go after him . He cant have it both ways. Vladimir putin on the other hand does do his homework. Did study donald trump very well. Knew how to approach him. Knew how to bend to his softer side. Remember, he called him lightly and he praised him throughout the election. Listen, this guy is smarter than most people would know and im looking forward to meeting with him. So i think Going Forward, this was an important step for the two to meet. To put this passed them and obviously next year Vladimir Putin has his own election to focus on in russia and in the meantime the two will probably meet within the next year or so. Up next, putin wasnt the only world leader that President Trump faced off with today. 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Most people using stelara® saw 75 clearer skin and the majority were rated as cleared or minimal at 12 weeks. Be the you who talks to your dermatologist about stelara®. Back at the g20, Vladimir Putin wasnt the only President Donald Trump had a facetoface meeting with today. He also met with mexicos preside president. But what was hoped to be a promising reset after past grievances soon turned awkward thanks to that wall again. Its great to be with my friend the president of mexico renegotiating nafta and some other things with mexico. Well see how it all turns out. But i think weve made very good progress. So where do things stand on big beautiful giant wall that mexico will pay for . First of all, credit with the shouted question. The wall is still mostly just an idea in President Trumps head at this point. There is no major legislation. They have backed off some of the demands in the budget for it. The mexican president s original supposed to be their first meeting was going to be in washington which was canceled after at that point President Trump said he was forging forward with the wall. But its still something he talked about and recent lid in iowa, he suggested that the wall could be solar paneled. We have that. Lets listen to the sweetener, solar. Were thinking about building the wall as a solar wall so it creates energy. And pays for itself. This way mexico will have to pay much less money. And that is good. Right . That is good, robert . Listen to what he said there. I was speechless. But listen to what he said. He said it would pay for itself. He said that in the middle of the cheer. So heres what i think. I think somebody went in toto t oval office and said mr. President , you know, maybe the wall could be paid for with solar power. And he got that in his head and probably the next day thats what he said. The reality is that the wall is not going to be built for legal reasons for constitutional reasons, for imminent domain reasons and also as mentioned for budgetary reasons. Yet again this is a fantasy that the president is playing to his base and its even more sad that there is a round of applause every time he says it because his base doesnt know any better whether or not this is true or faufls. This is not normal for any politician to get away with this, but let alone the president of the United States to speak so declaratively and it be so completely false. I think about the american president and the american president s nemesis was bob rumson was running for president by telling everybody what to be afraid of and who is to blame. This is so cynical, but it works with his base. It works with his base, but at some point i think that they will get tired of not getting some of the things that he promised like repeal and replace obamacare, like the wall. I mean, you cant play this but so long. I think i agree with robert that he is great in if terms ever changing subjects and playing television, but where he falls apart is he seems to have no real grasp with what is going on and with facts, he has nothing that is even remotely connected to facts. So he sees something on television, he completes it like ive said to you before. Lets not forget, this is a guy on black history day commended Frederick Douglas for the good work hes done who was dead for over a century. So if youre going to do this, at least check the facts of what you will use for an optical diversion. All right. Well take a quick break. E my t. I need an insulin that fits my schedule. Tresiba® ready announcer tresiba® is used to control high blood sugar in adults with diabetes. Dont use tresiba® to treat diabetic ketoacidosis, during episodes of low blood sugar, or if you are allergic to any of its ingredients. Dont share needles or insulin pens. Dont reuse needles. 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Bush and his dog. I introduced putin to barney. Do you remember barney the little scottish terrier . He kind of dissed him. He looked at him like you think thats a dog . Anyway, so a year later, putin says would you like to meet high dog. Laura and i were with putin outside of moscow. And i said yeah. And out comes a giant hound kind of loaniping across and putin s bigger, stronger and faster than barney. And, you know, it speaks volumes when you listen to what somebody says. So trump should get a hound. So it is about size with putin. He lacks a certain compassion chip, ill give him that. In the interview with oliver stone, one of the most telling parts was when oliver asked him if he likes his grandchildren and he said yes, but i never really see him. Hes not a guy who will cry over watching the titanic. So it says a lot when you try to open up his human side and there is not that much there. Hes a loner. Well, he has donald trump. Thanks to my panel. That does it for this hour. Mtp daily starts right now. Hi, chuck. Hi, nicolle. I missed you. Appreciate you saying that. I missed seeing you. Ill leave it at that. Thank you, nicolle. If its friday, no one else was in the room where it happened. Tonight behind closed doors president putin and i have been discussing various things and i think its going very well. What really went on today when President Trump met president putin. Plus can the g20 leaders work out any solution to north korea . I dont draw red lines. And trumpcare trouble. Every other developed country can ask do that, why conditions america