A new report from the Washington Post details 34 days of this pandemic. According to the post, the president desperately tried to get us back to business without building the Public Health infrastructure that experts have been clamoring for. Texas is among the states ending some lockdowns. Movie theaters were able to reopen as of friday. The day before texas reported its highest singleday death toll. Reaction to this appear mixed according to the latest dallas news ut tyler poll. Half of texans said they are not yet comfortable shopping in malls and stores. They expressed more comfort in going to work or dining out. The poll also showed that texans are split on approving of how President Trump is handling this outbreak. But the Administration Says this has been a success. Heres what President Trump said tonight at a virtual town hall. What i did is i warily, i closed our country to china. Nancy pelosi was a month later saying, its going to pass. Everybody, even tony fauci was saying its going to pass, not going to be a big deal. Plenty for us to discuss. Lets dive in with tonight apartments panel. Jeff mason is a White House Reporter for reuters. The executive for the mobile app quibby. And senior political analyst Jonathan Allen. Glad to have all of you with us tonight. Jeff mason, let me start with you. Where do we read the president s perspective now on this crisis and the path forward . How much has it changed in the last week or so, and how much is the same . Well, thats a good question, joshua. I think the president is certainly focused on seeing this country reopened and hes been focused on that for sometime. Took some controversy because its easy to forget now. Weeks and weeks a go he was saying lets get the country open by easter. That, of course, wasnt possible because the virus was still spreading. And the virus is still spreading now, so the question is will the states follow the guidance that the president s Coronavirus Task force has put forward in terms of staged openings . And how will that affect the economy and how will that affect him politically Going Forward . Shawna, the post quoted a Senior Administration official as saying the doctors and scientists advising the administration had, and the officials words, a bit of a god complex. This person went on to say these advisors are, quote, science, science, science, which is good, but sometimes there is less of a consideration of politics than maybe there should be, unquote. There is a real tension between keeping people safe and getting people back to work. Shawna, how do you think that tension will evolve from here . I mean, its pretty clear that the president wants people to get back to work. He wants to reopen the country. But even as we saw in the town hall as people were asking questions that fox news had gathered, he was also putting it back in the hands of the states. He was saying that he was answering questions basically saying, hey, that kind of question depends on your governor. I think one of the things, that tension youre seeing in politics, one of the ways hes working through it, is to make sure you know that the governors are responsible im not saying theyre the only ones responsible, but i think that is kind of one of the tactics he is using. And as things open up, and if things go well, hell get to say, hey, i put the plan together that these governors used and be able to use that. If something goes wrong in one state, hell be able to say, hey, that governor didnt follow the plan. Jonathan, let me play another cut from the town hall that aired this evening on fox news regarding the administrations efforts. Here is an exchange between the president and brett baird. It is. When you look at the other side, that youre on the other side medically, do you think that as deaths are going up and cases are going up, that we really are on the other side medically and that this is a Great Success story from the federal government . Well, its too soon to say that really i guess because were still in the middle of something. Certainly we would have lost a lot more people, brett, if we would have done as an example, you call it herd. If you had done herd in other words, everythings wonderful, lets keep going. Herd immunity. We would have lost a million people, 1 1 2, 2 million people. The American People have done a good job. This is a tragic situation. Tragic indeed. How do we read the president s argument this was a success . Its an incredibly low bar he set for himself, joshua, if he had done absolutely nothing, if the presidency had been vacant more people would have died than with him as president. Thats probably not the Campaign Slogan you would imagine a president would want to run on. As far as success goes, there are things that the administration has done with President Trump kicking and screaming effectively to limit to mitigate the death and the spread of the disease. I mean, for example, i really didnt want to put out that state home guidance for very long. As jeff pointed out, he had hoped to lift that by easter. You can only imagine what the fatalities would have looked like by now if they had actually followed through with that plan. Some of my colleagues at nbc, phil had been reporting on whats going on inside the administration as this reopening plan goes forward. In draft documents that we obtained, there was talk from people at fema, hhs, the Defense Department basically on the task force saying they were very concerned there arent enough tests. Very concerned about a possible, quote, catastrophic resurgence of the disease, and concerned that theres no treatment. Jeff, we know that President Trump is going to tout the economy as a core tenet of his reelection case. Now, were six months from the election so theres a lot of daylight between now and november 3rd. But are there any early indications of how thats working for him . Well, i think theyre watching the polling closely and i think that youve seen just in the last week both by being at the white house like i am and the people watching the white house from afar, that theyve had to chase their communications strategy. The president s strategy of Holding Daily briefings and touting whatever he wanted to tout, be it his very highly criticized comment about disinfectant to a whole list of other things. That has changed on some level from a Strategic Point of view because now theyre Holding Events in the east room and hes getting out on the road this week, on tuesday going to arizona. So i think theyre watching the polling, joshua, to get to your question and seeing the results that arent exactly what they want to see. You also hear him talking about the economy and looking forward to the Third Quarter and the fourth quarter, saying that the Third Quarter is going to be a transition, but the fourth quarter, which happens to be the quarter where the november election falls, is going to be good. Thats what hes saying at this point. Its pretty hard to imagine that. Shawna, today the president tweeted that the Intelligence Community confirmed his statement that they did not bring up coronavirus until late january. We have reported that the president s daily brief began including warnings about coronavirus in at least early january. The president asserts his travel ban on china was right and we in the press got it wrong. Are we any closer now to knowing who knew what and when . I dont really think so, and i think, you know, from a political standpoint i feel a lot of people are going to vote on or one of the things theyre going to vote on is the response to this, but also how they were personally affected by covid19 when we get to the election. You know, history usually is pretty good and political historians are pretty good at somehow unweaving these things and trying to give us a clear idea of what happened. But for now i think we look at the reporting, we look at what the president says and in some ways youre going to have to make a decision about what seems most believable. But i do think in the town hall tonight, the president said that there will be some type of statement or something coming this week from the intelligence agencies trying to even more publicly clean up what seems to be a lot of inconsistencies so well also i think have to see more about that. Jonathan, i could use kind of a signal versus noise reading from you on the president s tweet. Setting the one we just read aside, yesterday the president wrote he is glad that north Koreas Kim Jongun is back and well. Kim had been rumored to be ill or dead and the north korean government released what it claims is recent video of him. We have no way of authenticating that. The president also agreed with a tweet claiming that he has done more for black americans than all other president s combined. And in his response he added, quote, honest abe wasnt bad, unquote. How much of this is signal and how much of this is noise . I mean, we have a pandemic to stop and i dont feel like being distracted by stupidity right now. How much of this other stuff should we be thinking about . Does that even matter in the context of all of this . Not to a Single Person who is on a vapingrelateentilator and Single Person trying to get personal protective equipment, not to a Single Person trying to get a test, not to anybody who has lost a family member. Its all noise and not to speak for African Americans, joshua, but i would argue that the polling and past elections suggest that the president is not the most popular president with African Americans in American History or really even close. Jeff, in our last few seconds, is there anything out of the white house in the week to come with regards to coronavirus that we should be keeping an eye out for . Well, i mentioned his trip to arizona. I think you might see the president doing more travel as well and see what the messaging from that is, what are they trying to highlight and what does that mean about the numbers that theyre seeing. Jeff mason of reuters, Shawna Thomas from quibby and Jonathan Allen of msnbc. Com, thanks very much for making time for us. Coming up, tens of millions of americans lost their jobs in the coronavirus outbreak. A california congressman joins us with his proposal to help us get through it next. Ext. Its the next one. You always drive this slow . 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This morning an oped from joe biden and Elizabeth Warren called for moreover site of the cares act funds. That oped also criticized the president for his approach to oversight. Do you agree with their assessment . And if so, what kind of oversight would you be pushing for . Absolutely. I mean, when we saw the ppp program, most of the businesses who got the loans were businesses that knew the bankers. They were often businesses that had over 200 employees, when we know in this country that its actually the Small Businesses, businesses under 20 employees, that are creating most of the jobs. And many minority communities were excluded from those loans. So we need to make sure that those loans are actually going to the businesses that are creating the jobs and need the help. The original cares act represented 2. 2 trillion in relief. The interim bilal indicated nearly a half billion more. Whats the next step . I think we have to focus on three things. First, we should be giving every american a 2,000 check if theyre under 250,000 of Household Income at least for a few months until this crisis lasts. I mean, one 1200 check just doesnt pay the rent bill. Its not enough to put groceries on the table. And if the government is telling people they cant work, which is the responsible thing in many communities, then we have an obligation to help them meet their expenses. Second, we need to have a workers bill of rights that senator warren and i have proposed of people who are doing the essential work. They should be protected. They should have basic child care. Third, we need to have some assistance for testing, some massive assistance in getting the production capacity, which has been the real bottleneck. I want to come back to that workers bill of rights in just a second. But with regards to the money, we should be clear that this money is being spent against the nations incredibly deep debt. We are spending dollars that we do not have. How much longer can we afford to do this, even though we need it . How much longer can we afford it . Well, i think its important that we realize that Interest Rates are at the lowest theyve been in a long time. Most of the nations debt is being bought up by the fed, so its not like this debt is going to overseas holders. And if we get the money in the pockets of people and they spend it, there is a better chance that were going to have less unemployment and actually may have more Revenue Growth so that we dont have further deficit caused by economic slow down. So most economists that ive studied and others have said this is the time that we should have this spending and that the problem in 2008 was we didnt have enough spending to deal with the economic downturn. Lets get back to that workers bill of rights. You and senator Elizabeth Warren have proposed this. Give me an example of the one most important item in that bill of rights that you believe could win bipartisan support. Theres been a fair amount of bipartisanship in the response to coronavirus thus far. Are there any parts of this bill that you think that both sides of the aisle could easily get behind . They basically protecting the workers doing the essential work. Like many people, i order amazon packages. Im very glad that we get amazon deliveries at my place. While there are workers who are doing that who are either in the warehouse or driving the trucks and some of them are saying that they dont have masks. They dont have social distancing. I think we can all agree, if were benefiting from these workers, that they should at the very least have safety. That she shouldnt be putting themselves or their families at risk. The cares act gave a windfall maybe to some of your constituents. The headquarters of apple, intel, the 49ers stadium, the tesla factory. Should we expect more such tax cuts in future bills . Was that a concession to get the bill passed . That should not have been in there. I was opposed to that. Obviously its very hard to vote against the package when the bill also includes increased Unemployment Insurance and some support for Small Business. But these bills were not perfect and too much of the money also went to large industries, not enough went to Small Businesses and the working class. And we need to do more. But i think people have to remember that Speaker Pelosi is up against Mitch Mcconnell and donald crum and shes doing the very best she can under those circumstances. I do want to be clear, though, congressman. I dont want to give the implication that your district is all rich people. Theres a lot of mixed income in Silicon Valley. Cupertino is pretty flush. But depending where you look in santa clara, in some parts if you go just north of say fremont and milpitas, you have a lot of mixed income, some low income, East Palo Alto looks very different from palo alto. How is your district doing right now . I really appreciate your making that point. You are obviously familiar with the community. In fact, a lot of the movement of Silicon Valley rising for janitors and bus drivers and independent contractors started from my district. Yes, we have apple and google and a lot of wealth. But we also have a lot of folks who are independent contractors and workers who arent being able to afford the rent and who have been struggling frankly for the past decade. They have been very hard hit and our office is inundated every day with unemployment claims that people need help with, with Small Businesses that want to get loans. I mean, its a very tough time for our district. Of course, some are doing much better than others, but there are many people who are facing the brunt of this. I would love to talk to you another time about that in terms of how we deal with that wild variance in incomes, especially Going Forward once we start to get the economy back together because you and i both know there are plenty people who drive from the Central Valley to a train to get to work in santa clara who then have to make another twohour commute to get back home. But thats a topic for another night. Congressman ro khanna of california, congressman, we appreciate your time. Thanks very much. Thank you so much for having me. Coronavirus infection rates seem to be leveling, if not slowly declining. But another wave of cases could be in the forecast alongside our warmer weather. How can we prevent our summer fun from freezing our progress in fighting covid19 . Thats ahead. Stay close. Theres my career,. My cause,. My choir. Im a work in progress. So much goes. Into who i am. Hiv medicine is one part of it. 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And until this fight is over, we. Will. Never. Quit. Because they never quit. Its devastatingly worrisome to me personally because if they go home and infect their grandmother or their grandfather who has a comorbid condition and they have a serious or very or unfortunate outcome, they will feel guilty for the rest of our lives. So we need to protect each other at the same time were voicing our discontent. Dr. Deborah birx clearly did not take the job as Coronavirus Task force coordinator just to see us ignore the guidance on covering our faces. Look across the country and its easy to see why shes so upset. Protesters in california and across the country have been packing streets and beaches and statehouses demanding that our stayathome orders end. No social distancing going on there. Other crowds like this one in atlanta show that some people are ending these orders informally with nerry a mask to be found. More than 2 dozen states are relaxing restrictions. They are looking for ways to curb covid19 through Contact Tracing. Joining us is smeemsnbc medical contributor under president obama, and Loren A Thorpe from langone health. Let me start with you and the article out of north dakota. North dakota is the only state to meet the estimated 30 contact tracers per 100,000 people. Okay, you have covid19. Who have you interacted with, lets backtrack and get all those people tested and isolated. But you could fit north dakotas population into manhattan twice. And President Trump kind of alluded to that variance in tonights town hall meeting. Heres another clip from tonights event. In some states you can do a lot less than in other states. And in new york, i think youre going to have to go around with masks for a while. Youre going to have to do youre going to have to do separation. Youre distancing, youre going to have to do that for a while. But some states are doing so well. Dr. Thorpe, how do we make Contact Tracing work in larger denser cities . Well, its helpful to remember that Contact Tracing is not new. Health departments have been doing it for a long time. It has been a main stay of Public Health intervention in the context of Infectious Disease control. The reality is it is a really challenging project for a Health Department to initiate a Contact Tracing like in covid in urban areas you need a lot of contact tracers. They need to be carefully trained. They need to be very carefully managed. And the communication to the public is a big part of a Contact Tracing program especially when its in working with a widespread pandemic such as the coronavirus. So you need all of those things in play. You need well trained contact workers, contact tracers. You need very careful management and you need a very careful communication program. Worth noting, the state of new york is hiring thousands and thousands of contact tracers as we speak. Dr. Patel, the trump Administration Says the u. S. Is ready to contain the spread of coronavirus through Contact Tracing. Opinions on that are mixed. Whats your assessment of what an effective federal Contact TracingProgram Might Look Like . Well, it has to be done with kind of in conjunction, joshua, with testing and then a plan for isolation. And then, of course, taking into consideration theres a lot of regional variation in kind of the health care or hospital preparedness. So youve seen states like cities like manhattan and states like new york kind of talking about not just looking at the adequacy of Contact Tracing, but simultaneously thinking about how ready their Health Care System would be in case the Contact Tracing detects a spike and then we actually do need all those hospital beds for various reasons. So i do think, unfortunately, joshua, people are missing a bigger point here. We have such a heterogeneous response to how and when the country is opening. This is a virus that does not know boundaries. Something that is very well contained in north dakota, for example, doesnt really matter when weve got strains of the virus that we can see are coming from europe, from asia, and within the United States across state borders. Dr. Thorpe, apple and google have teamed up to produce an app that would help in Contact Tracing. Now, theres been a lot of discussion on privacy, on protection. But weve already handed over oodles of our data by handing over Contact Tracing with candy crush. The horse is out of the barn on that one. What is your take on apps for Contact Tracing . They could help theoretically, right . I think apps could be helpful. They cant be the mainstay of a Contact Tracing program. In order for a Contact Tracing program to work, you have to engender trust with the people who have the coronavirus who are going to give you very personal information about their contacts. You have to engender trust with the people who are being contacted who have been exposed, and to let them know what they need to do in order to quarantine themselves and stay at home and stay in contact with the Health Department while theyre quarantining in order to know if they become positive and to identify their contacts. An app doesnt really do that. An app doesnt build that trust in the same way that a carefully Trained Work Force can. Singapore has used an app. They are the first ones to say that that app was supplementary to a very, very carefully managed program. Even in singapore with very careful one program nationally, one app nationally, and a lot of leadership touting for the public to download the app, the uptick of that app has been very low. You would need a high uptick for it to be a mainstay piece of the program. Last question, dr. Patel, and this is admittedly a mean question, but im curious how you would answer it. Which one do you think we need more urgently, Contact Tracing or a vaccine . Theres no doubt that we desperately need a vaccine. Its really only until we have a vaccine and we have herd immunity that were going to be able to actually, you know, just like we do with influenza, feel like a country we can go back to normal. There is no question in my mind its a vaccine. Dr. Kavida patel and d dr. Lorna thorpe, touch thank you very much for your time. Appreciate it. Meat supply on shelves, some process plant employees are getting back to work and wondering how much danger their jobs are putting them in. Youll meet two Union President s working to keep their members safe next. Safe next. So you can bring your vision to life and save in more ways than one. For small prices, you can build big dreams, spend less, get way more. Shop everything home at wayfair. Com tide cleaners is offeringe Free Laundry Services you. To the family of frontline responders. Visit hope. Tidecleaners. 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Is limiting purchases of beef, pork and chicken to three items or fewer per member. Its just one sign of strain as some worry that a meat shortage could be on the horizon. President trump ordered Processing Plants to stay open under the defense production act. That may put more food on the shelves, but it also puts many workers in a tough spot. I understand about us feeding the world and i will feed the world because poultry is everywhere. But when you look at the lack of concern for the workers, where was this president two months ago . How much is a life worth as opposed to beef, pork and chicken . That is a decision that we have to make because that worker makes it every day when they go to work. They look at how much is my life worth today. Im making 13, 14, 15 an hour. Is it worth . Meatpacking is a key industry at greeley, colorado. Er it more than doubled after it reopened. More than 250 employees tested positive. Five workers and a plant worker have died. The smithfield Processing Plant is planning to partially reopen tomorrow. It became a coronavirus hot spot after more than 800 employees tested positive. Joining us now are kim cordova, president of the united food and commercial Workers Union and cooper carraway president of the sioux falls aflcio. Glad to have you with us. Cooper, let me start with you. What condition is the smithfield plant in . Granted theyre not here to speak for themselves. In your view, will it be ready to partially reopen tomorrow . Well, weve been very disappointed with the companys response thus far. You know, when they didnt cooperate when the cdc came in and did their investigation after it became the number one hot spot in the country, it didnt provide the cdc all the information they requested. And now because of Donald Trumps executive order, theyre opening back up prematurely. And so its an unfortunate and frustrating situation for the workers here. Since the management didnt cooperate, now workers are unsure about the type of facility theyre going to be reentering. Smithfield and jbs are welcome to participate in the discussion. That is a standing offer. Kim, what is your assessment of the conditions at the jbs plant there . The plant reopened on the 24th of april despite the Health Departments orders to keep that plant closed for full 14 days and to provide testing for all of its workers. So they reopened the plant without testing all of the workers and workers are still very scared. Weve had six deaths in the plant. I believe we have the highest death rate of these packing house facilities. And so, you know, we still have big concerns because there have not been any plantwide testing. So for workers that are asymptomatic, they have not had an opportunity to test. And the numbers doubled for those that went down and were tested with symptoms. Now, kooper, some of the plants are the best and only options for good steady work in the towns where they are. Greeley is different. It is a gigantic industry there. But in other cities the plant is the primary employer. If a plant opens and its workers have to show up or get fired, what should they do . Well, number one, they should contact their union. The union is the front line, its the best way to make sure things are safe or as safe as they can be, as safe as possible. But, you know, were not resigned to a situation where workers are going to be faced with their only option being going into an unsafe plant. Even though management has not cooperated the way wed like them to be, even though the president has given his unfortunate authoritarian executive orders, even though were facing all these different obstacles from our State Government and management and everywhere else, the real power comes from the workers themselves standing together in solidarity and thats what the union is for. So were going to keep fighting and doing everything we can to keep these workers safe and make it as safe as possible in the plant. Kim, actually, first of all, kim, do you have any sense of how many workers at meat Processing Plants are unionized versus those who arent . Are most of them unionized . Few of them unionized . The united food and commercial workers, we represent around 250,000 Food Processing and packing houseworkers. They are covered under labor agreements, but there are some that dont have representation. Kim, im sure a lot of people empathize with these workers. Were all trying to feed our families as consumers. To folks who want this to get resolved so we can get back to normal and restock the shelves, kim, what would you say to them . First of all, you can accomplish both. You can have the Food Supply Chain continue to go and workers can continue to process meat if you put in Safety Measures and enforceable laws, guidelines that protect these workers. They are the critical part of the Food Supply Chain. We need the highest level of personal protective equipment like respirators and we need the p. P. E. From the federal stockpile. We need daily priority testing for these workers. We also need to stop the work while sick culture by providing paid sick leave and paid family leave for these workers. We need not only enforceable cdc and osha regulations laws, but we need federal and state inspectors in those Processing Plants to regulate and to make sure that they enforce these safety rules, and making sure these workers have safe. You could do both, but trumps President Trumps order just puts workers lives and their families at risk. Briefly before i let you go, kooper, what do you see being done to help keep workers safer in these plants, briefly . I think that youll see a rash of unionization across the country. I think plants that werent union before, youll very likely see union drives because workers all over the country are recognizing that organizing themselves into a union is their best bet for creating a safe and beneficial working environment. And kim, what about you, do you see these companies doing anything now to keep these workers safe, before we go . I think unfortunately with the president s orders and him taking the liability aspect out of these from these companies, i think that these Companies May find it easier to lax on safety. And so i do think that theres going to be more harm to these frontline workers. 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Until we resolve this Public Health crisis, we really cant begin to think about reopening the economy with any much significance. So i think its incumbent upon congress and the president to continue to provide financial relief, not only to Small Businesses, but to workers as well, until we get past this Public Health crisis. With regards to that financial relief, the president s top economic advisers are saying we might need more, but we might not. Heres what larry kudlow, head of the National Economic council, had to say about that today. There may well be additional legislation. Theres kind of a pause period right now. We put up 3 trillion of direct federal budget assistance in one way or the other. The Federal Reserve has put in as much as 4 trillion, 6 trillion. So its a huge, huge package. Lets see how its doing as we gradually reopen the economy. Chris, what do you think about another round of stimulus . I think were going on need it. We already know that this latest round of Small Business loans will be tapped out relatively quickly. The enhanced Unemployment Benefits that were provided recently expire at the end of july. Were going to be dealing with this financial, this economic downturn, for the rest of the year if not into next year as well. The problem is when the economy reopens, its not going to be like flipping on a light switch and everythings back to normal. Right now we already see a lot of the restrictions that are being put on restaurants and retail so that they can only have say 25 occupancy or restrictions in how close tables can be together. A lot of restaurants are going to find, we just cant operate under those conditions, and theyre going to remain closed. On top of that, even some of the money thats been allocated so far, weve heard a lot about how a number of Small Businesses just couldnt get their foot in the door to get some of those loans because larger institutions got ahead of them. And weve also learned that minorityowned businesses have fared much worse in applying for some of these owns than businesses owned by whites. Even if we apportion more money, we might want to apportion it differently next time. Its one of the reasons why us democrats fought so hard to have money go to Community Banks that would serve underserved areas. 200 to 300 businesses that were publicly traded, including companies that have paid executives millions in compensation, were first in line to get these kinds of benefits. And thats wrong. Those are not the people that are having a hard time finding money right now, those are not the people that are the drivers of this economy. So youre 100 right that even as we put more money out the door, we need to ensure it goes to the hardesthit mom and pop delis and dry cleaners and restaurants along the way. The ones that really are already operating under a very slim profit margin and really just cant survive much longer at this point. Is there any light at the end of this tunnel . Because things look pretty bad right now. And i dont know about you, but i know plenty of people who are having coronavirus economy, world is falling off a cliff nightmares every night since this thing started. Please give us something to lay our heads on, to rest easy tonight. Is there anything that gives you hope that all of this is going to work out okay . Or does it all look bad . Look, as i said, this is a Public Health crisis. Ultimately you have to deal with a Public Health crisis before the economy can start up again. But ultimately the u. S. Economy is about consumer confidence. U. S. Consumers make up 70 of the u. S. Economy. And even if you suddenly reopen everything right now, and people arent comfortable going to restaurants and movie theaters and baseball games. Theyre not going to spend money. The u. S. Economy is not going to get up and running. So we need to get our arms around this Public Health crisis, we need to have the widespread testing that all experts have talked about and companies can reopen. Ultimately its the health and the science that have to precede the economic relief. Before i let you go, debate over giving cities and states more funding, the Trump Administration and some republicans have pushed back against that. In the last few seconds, where do you see that going, if anywhere . It has to happen. New york running a 15 billion defic deficit, thats going to lead to layoffs of teachers and firefighters and police, people on the front lines dealing with this pandemic. We need to help those people and those state and local governments out. Thats former deputy labor secretary chris liu now with the university of virginias miller center. We appreciate you making time and hopefully giving us something a little more positive to rest our heads tonight, thanks very much. And thank you for making time for us on msnbc. 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