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It was just a few days after the Summer Solstice. That longest day of the year. It was june 24th, 1990. My supervisor called and said hey, ive got an interesting case for you and frank. So frank and i went right to the Coroners Office to view the body. Frank was detective frank garcia, jacksons partner. He had multiple stab wounds. And his throat was slit. It was a murder, all right, closeup. Personal. Bloody. Whoever did this wanted to make sure that it was done. No one was going to survive this. He looked to be in his early twenties, but he had no i. D. So they called him john doe 1 35. L. A. s 135th i unidentified victim of the year. He had a medallion. There were two. One was a pentagram, and there was also one that was a religious cross. Meaning, something . Possibly . John doe 1 35 had been found by hikers in an own train towel. That went through the rocky hills in suburban chatsworth. Went back up there. What was it like . Theyre strange paintings up there. Paintings of words involving drugs, lsd, acid. We were told that they would be Animal Sacrifices there. There was running in the inside of the tunnel. Things about hell, and fear. There were pentagrams. All indicating some kind of activity taking place in the tunnel. The pensive grounds are all gone now. Covered by new layers of graffiti. Hiding new secrets, perhaps horrors of the past. But even today it remains a dark and spooky place. Some of the locals calling it the mans internal because of that. And because Charles Manson once lived nearby. Whatever, it was catnip for media. The body was found in a Railroad Tunnel, above chatsworth farms. We do have in information about the case call lapd major crimes. One of the many assigned to the story was a young reporter for the l. A. Times, named michael connally. Yes, that, michael connelly, the best selling crime novelist. Who back then was just beginning to make a name for himself. Just in the beginning, it had so much mystery involved. What was this man doing in that tunnel . And i suppose it would just add to the allure of the idea . Following the mans internal . Yeah, it was a pretty horrible place to die. That is for sure. Did you actually go into that place . I went up there, once i didnt want to go in, i know reporters are supposed to go stick their nose into stuff so i went up to the entrance but i wasnt going to walk down into that tunnel, there were too many Unanswered Questions at that time. And no one knew just then, that they had entered a story already into chapter two. The San Fernando Valley is a vast, and crowded sprawl. More than one ministry here. It was midnight in the valley. A couple of hours before john doe 1 35 was found. In the manson tunnel. Gayle and kay bakers home. The phone rang. There is a strange voice, and it said. We have your son. Unless you give us 100,000 by 5 00 tomorrow, he will die. Their son, ron, was a student at ucla. So i called his apartment, and i was told that he had been dropped off at a bus stop. And he was going to meet at ucla. And he had his roommate telling me that. The next morning. Ron still had not returned home. And then the phone rang again. Same, strange voice. He said unless you give us 100,000 by 5 00, he will die. And at that time, i really did become worried. And i called the police. Rons older sister, patty, rushed over to her parents house. The police put a wire on the phone, nobody called back. The longer it went, the more worried that we got. Police got a picture of run from the family. They checked it with the Coroners Office. To see if it matched any outstanding cases that they were handling. It did. They called the bakers. Asking about if ron wouldve worn some earings. And a pendant. And he had done that. So then they came to see us. And tell us that his body had been found. Is there any way to understand what that is like . Its devastating. Then the bakers had to do the most difficult thing that they had ever done. We were asked to go to the Coroners Office to identify him. Ron baker, was just 21, their only son. Ron was not your average victim, and this . Not your average murder. When this thing first happened, we were just a few years past richard ramirez, the night stalker who is involved in pentagrams and things like that. And he had struck a couple of times in the valley. And that had gripped the town in fear. There was a little bit of, here we go again. Yes, and there was Something Else about it too. The date. It was the evening of the Summer Solstice. There were rumors going around at times, that this couldve been a sacrifice, due to the multiple stab wounds and the fact that bakers throat was slit. Did you think it wasnt a cult thing . We didnt know. We certainly didnt rule it out. Especially when they discovered what ron baker belonged to. It had a name. 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He was a compassionate, kind, coast churchgoing methodist. Not an envy in the world. My brother, he was a really positive person. A real gentle soul. He was very smart. He was majoring in astrophysics at ucla. Intellectually curious . Yes. Definitely. Which probably explained why, methodist or not, he joined a club at ucla called the Mystic Circle. Where he met fellow student, christine. We would meet, and here lectures and talks from people who practice a variety of different traditions, and alternative religion. Weve had people come in who studied with a. The pagan nature religion, ron was fascinated. I think as a physicist, there was something appealing about wicca being a nature religion. Because what do physicists that a . They study energy, and forces. And those were things that were part of everyday language in wicca. But, had he encountered something much darker . Ron shared an apartment with two roommates. Nathan and Duncan Martinez. The detectives drove over to talk to them. Nathan was out of town. So they talked to duncan about the murder. He was upset. How close was he to ron . They were pretty close. They were very different characters, ron was inward and naive a little bit. Duncan was more worldly, he had the energy. Charm. Yemen and yang. Duncan, a former marine reservist was bright and funny to rons quiet tried. Duncan got a job after high school, well run went to college. They both grew up in l. A. , and were best friends for years. Duncan stepfather was a professor at ucla where ron went to school. Nathan was from detroit. Ended up in l. A. After serving in the army. He had been a great athlete growing up. A football star. Runner up boxing champ as a teenager. He was the most recent member of the trio. Duncan told detectives that on the night of the murder, summer souls this, ron had planned to take the bus to ucla to visit his circle friends. He adds for a ride to the bus stop. So they dropped him off. And ron went where he went. And that, said duncan, was the last time he and nathan ever laid eyes on the roommate. So, the cops had a look at rons room. And . There it was. An altar. Candles. The pentagrams new. All the wicca stuff there. Large knives that were supposedly used in the ritual. Certainly, were not gonna rule out the possibility that bakers death was coach related. Coach related . Satanic ritual . Human sacrifice . This whole business about wicca, how seriously did you have to think about it . We had to take it seriously because it was the Summer Solstice, a holiday for wicca. It happened in the tunnel, there is evidence of a cult activities having taken place of their before. Understand, amid that some secret groups made their practicing dark arts, even harming children and others at a brief, unfortunate resurges around that time. So the idea that occultists may actually have sacrificed a man in a tunnel that was decorated with the signs of Devil Worship . The Media Fixation was hardly a surprise. I wrote some of these stories, i think we wrote them with reserve. Saying this is what the police have on their plate. As one of the things that theyre looking at. But theyre probably looking at many other things as well. But i know enough now, as a novelist, to know that certain words can really fire up the imagination of the reader. So i think these stories did that. In a big way. This whole occult story came out, and that was the dominant narrative for a long time. Where those in ucla and this group that knew him, was there a lot of worry and concern that there were other people who were injured . Definitely. It made us concerned that it was a hate crime. Despite their fears, some of rons Mystic Circle friends joined his family for a deeply memorial service. Rants friend, duncan, delivered the eulogy. He was the most friendliest and sweetest guy there. And i just hope that, its something i can get over. Because i love him. As for suspects, there were none. Except perhaps, the alcohol. It showed up at the autopsy. Bose, a lot of it. His alcohol was point to one. That was another thing that did not fit. Baker did not drink. But he fought his killer, that much was apparant in the traces of blood under his fingernails. So, dna . Well. Now. Not back then. All we could do is match the blood. It was a be positive. 4 of the population of a be positive. 4 . So that could narrow down the list of suspects. If they could never find one. Coming up dunk it was actually feeling pressured by the police. He felt like people were following him. Then, a mysterious phone call. In the middle of the night. They [inaudible] had another young man disappeared . When dateline continues rsv is in for a surprise. Meet arexvy. the first fdaapproved rsv vaccine. Arexvy is used to prevent lower Respiratory Disease from rsv in people 60 years and older. Rsv can severely affect the lungs and lower airways. 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A middle Class College student. And the questions that made the news, was this a Ritual Killing, an occult crime. Was it wicca related . The detectives had to know. We had to get an education real quick on wicca. We had interviewed one wicca lady that was very knowledgeable about the practice of wicca. That woman was christine. Rons friend from the Mystic Circle club. And an expert on everything big wicca. It is helpful to be able to talk to somebody who not only knows what is entailed in the occult, at least in the terms of wicca. But more importantly to know what ron himself believed, and practiced. Reyna gave the detectives a crash course on wicca, its history. Its peaceful rituals. Its spiritual traditions. And ron . She told them. He had absolutely no involvement in anything that would ever involve human sacrifices. I mean, he would never have meddled or even ventured into anything like that. He worried about that himself before all of this . Absolutely. That ripples him. And he certainly did not think that anyone who dabbled, or followed in those types of paths. Where the people that he would ever want to associate with. And i think that that was important for detectives to, know that this was not something that ron would have been attracted to. The more that detectives learned about wicca, the less likely it seemed to them related to rons death. I think through that process of just discovering and learning more things. They probably, quickly got off the occult trail. It was very clear. Not a ritual that all . There was no ritual. The wicca just faded away. And it became even more of non interest to us. So, while the media was focused on wicca, that detectives returned to more normal sources of police work. They talk to people who are with ron on the day that he died. Roommate nathan was back in town, and ready to talk. Not that he seem to know very much. And neither did duncan, for that matter. Though he was eager to help. The two told the same story. They dropped ron off at the bus stop the night of the Summer Solstice. And they never saw him again. , and then, after they heard that ron had been kidnapped. They went looking for him. But when duncan told the detectives, where they searched. Well. It seemed odd. He told us that he and nathan went to Chatsworth Park near the tunnel to look for baker. Why would anyone look for their friend at Chatsworth Park near the tunnel if he was kidnapped . Anyway, duncan kept talking. Offering information which, might be true. Or not. We asked dunkinto take a polygraph test. How do they do . He failed it, and all pertinent questions involving the murder. Oh. Soon after that, he lawyered up and stop talking. I thought we were going in the right direction because we had the right people. Now, the motive for the killing. Its still kind of tough. Yes, the motive. Why in the world would runs friends and roommates be mixed up somehow in the murder . It just did not make any sense. Especially to the bigger family. We were kind of shocked. What do you mean . Youre looking at duncan . Did you think that they were barking up the wrong tree . Yes. It seemed really farfetched. Why would he do that . We did not know nathan that well. But why would duncan, do something to his good friend . In fact. Duncan had been to the baker home lots of times to hang out. And was always the entertaining houseguest. He was always really personable. Very funny. Easy going. Easy to talk to. Was he a teller of tall tales . Fantasize a bit as he told you the stories . Yes. He was. And a lot of time the whole group would be like, whatever. He just liked to be the center of attention. A few weeks after the murder, duncan and nathan moved out of the apartment. And duncan as the bakers for a favor. They said sure. Duncan actually moved a bunch of stuff into my parents house, into the garage. So my parents would talk to him every once in a while. And i know he told my dad that he was feeling pressured by the police. And he felt like people were following him. Police may not have been following him, but they would soon hear him. A few weeks after the Summer Solstice, the middle of the night. They got me in a warehouse in north hollywood. I dont know its going on. It sounded like Duncan Martinez. Had he been abducted . Could it possibly be another kidnapping . Coming up we respond that night. Made a Missing Persons report. What had happened to Duncan Martinez . Im going to try to get out of here. Youre just waiting to see if he is going to be found. He was gone, missing, we had no idea where he was. This was going to be a tough one to crack. When dateline continues with caplyta, theres a chance to let in the lyte™. Caplyta is proven to deliver significant relief across bipolar depression. Unlike some medicines that only treat bipolar i, caplyta treats both bipolar i and ii depression. 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I would like to illuminate him if he doesnt have any involvement in this, case as long as he remains gone we cannot eliminate him. And then, several days, later, a clue. Investigators tracked down the phone number used to make that phone call, reporting his own kidnapping. Detective jackson gave it a ring. Somebody picked up, i said this is who i am, and im working on the case. We are, you and he goes actually, i am at the airport in las vegas. It was a random stranger, not dunkinwho answered a payphone. And not in a warehouse in north hollywood. But, in a crowded airport. The kidnapping phone call he left was a total farce, nobody would have believed that. I think the motive for the phone call was that, if he is kidnapped, then we will stop looking for him. But, he couldnt believe he would harm rob, much less kill him. Duncan, who deliver such an immunity at the memorial service, now. Then, that weird phone call. So obviously, he is trying to escape, then we started believing that hes probably involved. It was a few weeks later when his father who looked through the stuff he so graciously allowed to store in the garage, he opened one of the boxes. And i discovered this note of things to do. Get a new identity, to sell the car, but it sounded like he was getting ready to leave the country or something. It did not look so innocent, though it did not exactly implicate him either. Weeks passed, no more crazy phone calls, and no trace of the elusive Duncan Martinez. He was gone, missing, we had no idea what he was. So duncan was in the wind, and nathan was sticking to a story that they dropped off at the ucla bus stop and never saw him again. And a once hot Murder Investigation started turning icecold. It got pretty discouraging, you are just waiting to see if anything comes out, and if he is going to be found, but apparently he did a good job of disappearing. Autumn came, christmas, new, year and runs 27th birthday. We would go visit the grave, and put flowers on all those occasions, and it is not really how you want to spend your holidays and your birthdays. Having to remember him that way. Did you see the toll this took on your parents . It was definitely hard on them, especially during that time period when we had no answers, and didnt really know why it happened, who did it, what happened. Another somersault us came as well, the anniversary of rons death. The longest day following the longest year for the bakers. I think about some things that would have been hard, what he would have made of his life, with he wouldve had more grandchildren, things like that. The detective meanwhile were stymied, they were convinced that duncan was somehow involved in ron bakers murder. But to crack the case, they had to find him. It was not so easy. When we get nervous as far as the case, it means stagnant for over a year a year and a half almost. 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His name, he said, was Jonathan Wayne miller. He had several pieces of identification. One was a school transcript, which has no photo, no description, no nothing. He told this Jonathan Wayne miller that was not good enough, you needed a valid i. D. And passport photos. So miller and his buddies left and then soon, returned with the pictures. The first thing i told him, where is your i. D. . He said, it is right here. I have two friends. They will identify me. They are my i. D. . And i said, they are not good enough. You need a blood relative, we need either your mother, or your brother to come into this agency today. Was it panic ethan was seeing and young millers eyes . He said, it is not possible. He said, he had a very difficult time at home. He was abused. He finally left home and school, he said that means that i only have an eighth grade education. So i said that is fine, but it does not help me with i. D. It wont surprise you to know, you had heard more than a few stories in his time, it seemed an abundance of bogus Passport Applications as well. He smelled something fishy, especially when miller presented one more piece of i. D. The Social Security card was new, and that is suspicion right there. It tells you that it is a new identity. It does not tell you its fraudulent . Just tells you it tells you both. No proper i. D. , no passport, he sent Jonathan Miller away empty handed. But he was not done. The next day, he started his own investigation into Jonathan Wayne miller, who claimed to have been born in the Central Massachusetts town of webster, so he called the school listed on the Transcript Miller submitted. I talked to a Guidance Counselor there, and i said it gives english one and english two, he said that is freshman and sophomore english. And i said, what grades . He said nine and ten. And im saying to myself, this Fella Quit School in eighth grade. That does not make sense. 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Jonathan was just a baby when he died. , an accident no ones fault really. He was not quite to. It was bad, it was bad, i dont think he was going to make it. Do you ever lose that sense of loss . No. Nope. I tell people, when you lose one, you cant replace them. Little jonathan had been dead 20 years when that detective showed up at similar store, to say that his son was wanted in l. A. I started crying. It was like my whole world came caving in. I was right back where i was. That first day. Yep. Jim miller insisted his son was dead. Even told the detective where he was buried. Yet at that very moment, that jonathan when miller supposedly dead for two decades, was sitting 2000 miles away in a utah jail cell and very much alive. So what was going on . Duncan, the Passport Fraud specialist, had already figured that out. Not long after the young man presented what would seem as a bogus paperwork, so we were falling into a category, and that category we call idi, infant deaf identity. Why would you call it that . Because it is a way to assume a brand new identity, without ever bumping into the person. You have seen this before . Absolutely. It is a good way to hide. Yes. The man who called himself Jonathan Wayne miller had found and stolen jims baby sons identity in an effort to disappear forever. It was who told us how he must have done it by cruising cemeteries, most likely. You try to match a person, if you are a mail you look for a male. You look for a person born with one or two years of your year of birth, and your golden. Back then, it was that easy to fake an identity. Unless, you ran into someone as exacting as who called the massachusetts records department, and asked to contact to do a search for muellers official Death Certificate. So he went to the with the death record should have been, turned to the page number, and guess what, that page was missing. Really . Someone had actually caught the original state Death Certificate out of the book. And presto, no Death Certificate, suddenly brought the late Jonathan Wayne miller back to life in almost worked, until the Passport Agent got suspicious, and the fbi got involved, and the fake miller was pulled over for that Traffic Violation in utah. So hes taken into custody, and he refuses to tell the judge who he really is, the judge says there is not going to be any mail until we find out. Based with a long stay in jail, the impostor finally came clean has you no doubt guessed his real name was, Duncan Martinez, under investigation in l. A. For the murder of ron baker. We were thrilled, because not least we had that reinvigoration, you know you get that Adrenaline Bump and we now know where he is. Later, Detective Jackson called jim miller, and explained the whole messy truth about how, and why his sons identity was stolen. He was wanted for murder, and he tried to get out of the country, with a passport under my sons name. That was bad. For someone to steal his identity, and commit a crime. Is it generally the principle, or was it because this was your johnathan . The principal behind it, i dont care whos child it was. Let them rest in peace. Leave them alone. Duncan had been on the four year and a half, he had been in boston much of that time, working as a cook in a pizzeria, living in this apartment in a suburb called revere, and stealing a dead babys name to try and get a passport and skip town. How do you have gotten that passport, who knows what would have happened. Instead, lincolns devious but cam had put him into a utah jail facing federal fraud charges, but, duncan had a plan, another one. Coming up. We got a call from don martinezs attorney, informing us that he was willing to talk to us about what have been the night of the murder. And talk he did. Duncan martinez spills a spellbinding tale putting himself at the scene of the crime. When dateline continues. [nature sounds] winter, 1992, park, utah, Keith Morrison voiceover winter 1992. Resort town, ski mecca, until he got busted on the highway for that fake passport, the new hideout for fugitive Duncan Martinez, a prime suspect in the murder of his good friend ron baker. Park city was just the next convenient place to disappear, until that inconvenient traffic stop followed by his arrest on Passport Fraud charges. That changed things. So duncan came up with a new plan, we get a call from Narcan Martinez attorney. Informing us that duncan was willing to talk to us about what happened on the night of the murder, out of the clear blue sky. So, the detectives, and dont cancel tierney and the da office agreed on some ground rules, he would tell the story all right, but only in exchange for some sort of limited immunity from prosecution, otherwise no story, no dice. We worked out a deal where he could talk to us freely, we couldnt use anything he told us against him. There is a term for the deal they made, they call it king for a day. Fancy. He was in charge that day, our hands were tied as far as what could be used, but it could give us information to move forward to trying further the case. But, there was a catch, a big one. If duncan ever let anything slip to anyone else, or if detectives under covered any additional evidence, they could charge him with murder. But on this day, right here he had one free day pass to reveal all, no charge. So what happened that night of the Summer Solstice 18 months earlier, he explained that he and nathan had lowered him to the spooky Railroad Tunnel to drink beer, meat girls, then as he walked down the tracks, said duncan, nathan tripped. Ron made a joke, nathan got mad, and started stabbing him. Ron was screaming, help me, duncan, and what did i do to deserve this . But, it got worse. Duncan described graphically ron bakers last moments. He is a face looked like it was on fire and i turned to make sure that it was over and what did he do when that is when he cut his throw. Slit his throat. And ron baker, the sweet, Gentle Astrophysics Student was dead. Then, said dunklin, he and nathan fled the crime scene and raced to a payphone where again according to duncan nathan insisted that He Duncan Call runs father to say it was a kidnapping, demand ransom. Duncan said he made the call worried nathan might kill him if he didnt. He said no you have to do this, and since you just looked at me then he said they went home, dumped the murder weapon, cleaned up, and went to a party in the other Apartment Building before making a second ransom called the next morning. In short, said duncan, it was pretty all nathans doing it mitigated a lot of his involvement in this, it minimized everything he did, at least for the most part with the i didnt think it was ever going to happen. Why would you go to the extent to lure him up there if you didnt think it was going to happen . Good question. Duncan had an answer. Which meant he lost his temper and snapped, unexcused in a whole more dubious night. Because, duncan freely admitted, they had discussed doing something beforehand. Inspired by the tv show we were watching a cop show or something, and a kidnapping, and he said yeah, we should do that and definitely in a joking manner. Or maybe, not a joke. Because on the night of the Summer Solstice duncan admitted he and nathan took their roommate to the and there, for reasons he could not or wouldnt explain they killed their friend but here along after the fact he was talking like some spin doctor. There is no way in my mind it was possible for nathan to commit that and and saw no realization it could did you hear the Blame Shifting . Not the first time Detective Jackson had encountered that sort of behavior from people, and in this case he was on convinced. I think it was a joint thing, they were both involved there is the french term which translated means the minister of two. It is a psychological term that two people together get to the point where they do something that normally neither one would do on their own, it is like a one up chip on the next. Two people acting together . They produce a breweries in this mix . Yeah. But dunkin, the king for a day, deflected and denied always blaming nathan for killing ron. The detective garcia even tried one more time to maybe illicit some kind of confession youngkin did you know i didnt. I did not stab ron in any way. You know we cant use this against you . I know. In fact, Everything Duncan said that day was off limits, but, as we say, there was some fine print. We told him, you cannot talk to other people, because if you talk to other people, those are potential witnesses against you. That was part of the deal. Sure, said Duncan Martinez, a deal is a deal. They had no choice but to let him go. But soon, detectives and duncan would connect once more, in ways they couldnt possibly have imagined. Coming up. We told him, you will help us prove that what you are telling us is the truth. Investigators or far from done with Duncan Martinez. Dude, what are you doing, man . He was about to go undercover. To him, this Is Hollywood Stuff. Could he . When dateline continues. Try downy light inwash freshness boosters. It has longlasting light scent, no heavy perfumes, and no dyes. Finally, a light scent that lasts all day. Downy light youre the one that i want your dog is the one you wanted. You want whats best for them. Ohh, ohh, ohh so ask your vet about new nexgard plus. Its oneanddone monthly protection from fleas and ticks, plus heartworm disease, roundworms, and hookworms. All in a delicious, beefflavored, soft chew. Use with caution in dogs with a history of seizures or neurologic disorders. From the maker of 1 vetrecommended heartgard plus. 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Heres why you should switch fo to duckduckgo on all your Devie Duckduckgo comes with a builtn engine like google, but its pi and doesnt spy on your searchs and duckduckgo lets you browse like chrome, but it blocks cooi and creepy ads that follow youa from google and other companie. And theres no catch. Its fre. We make money from ads, but they dont follow you aroud join the millions of people taking back their privacy by downloading duckduckgo on all your devices today. Day after day, the trans join thday after day,people takithe Trains Rolledvacy roll through the dark manson tunnel, parsed these strange graffiti, past the place where ron baker breathe last. Two years went by. Duncan martinez returned to The Good Life in park city utah, while detectives turn their attention to his old pal nathan. He was not hard to find nathan, we learned, was arrested for a bank robbery he pulled with somebody he was doing drugs with. So now, nathan was locked up in the county jail in riverside california, totally unaware has but he had betrayed him. Though duncan story about what happened in that train tunnel wasnt a betrayal, but was it true. You cant charge a man with murder based on blame from an old accomplice. Mind you, there was some forensic evidence, a little, traces of blood under rons fingernails, where blood type a b. Duncan was taipei. But what about nathan . We got a Search Warrant for his blood, and that came back positive. 4 of the population had it. That was good, quite good, but still not enough for a murder charge. Detectives needed to place nathan inside the tunnel with the knife in his hands. One possibility, would the guy who had ratted on him help him some more . We had established a relationship with duncan, he knew where we were coming for, we wanted to get run bakers killer, he told us, and we told him, you will help us, and what you are eager to help throw nathan under the bus, the recorded phone call was set up through the jail, and nathan and duncan spoke for the first time in almost two years. What are you doing . Everywhere, i ended up in boston for a while. You have been in a lot of trouble. It was like old times, as they too caught up, then duncan started spinning his story, again nathan talking. I just got in touch with my mom, and she says they have been over at her House Giving Serious about my blood type and stuff. Then, without missing a beat, Duncan Cleverly got nathan inside the tunnel, and tied into the struggle just before ron baker was stabbed to death. Remember, you got your hand scratched . We wrestled and stuff. And i dont know if it is nathan got nervous. But before they wrapped up the call, an unexpected bonus. An ex duncan had just duped him, and he invited his old friend to visit him in jail. And four days later, there he was, wearing a wire. You have to understand his personality, to him this Is Hollywood Stuff here. I could really pull this off. Screaming my name to help him out, dude i thought i was going to die. Then, duncan went to work, to try and draw nathan out by claiming he had left behind his blood on the walls of the tunnel. On the wall. He played it, downplayed it down. That was good, but detectives in the das office still wanted a little bit more evidence before indicting him for murder, and duncan, thanks in part to his limited immunity agreement, he remained free as if he had never harmed a hair on his head. Him and the baker family was not happy, not at all. I did not like it, my parents did not like it, dunkinwalking away, i mean he was friends with ron for a long time. He had been at the, house talked about him at the funeral, at any point he could have said what happened. But duncan did not seem to care. He was about to embark on a whole new chapter of his life. At the University Of Utah, a man who liked to tell stories, now had plans to make movies. Coming up he went by the name he had a leather jacket, he had a tattoo, he had a little bit of the bad boy thing. A whole new role for Duncan Martinez, and an encore undercover performance. I dont know what to, do i dont know what to tell, him what should i tell him . Yeah, and . That you did nothing. That when dateline continues. Its called odor transfer. Left untreated, those odors get trapped inside fabrics and then release smells into your air. Eww. You need new febreze fabric refresher. Its new formula is proven to deliver longerlasting odor fighting power, so you can enjoy longerlasting freshness even hours after spraying. The more everyone sprays. The fresher your whole home stays. 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I hung out at a particular Fraternity House and he was pledging the fraternity, so we ought to know each other and he was quick, witty and i liked that. He had a leather jacket, he had a tattoo, he had a bit of the bad boy thing. It was as if guy fieri had rolled into the college with the hair and look, and the big stories. Melissa said it was like he dropped in from another planet, but he instantly fit in. I think people naturally followed him, i think theyre very much like tim, do not conclude, identify with anyone that they were into. He had a lot of capacity for dazzling people. When you compared him to the other young men around the fraternity, arent the college, what was he like compared to them . Flamboyant. Like it wasnt an aboutface or something . He wasnt. He told the stories of another place, of Something Else. What was your tendency then . When you listen to these stories and go on, or would you i sort of thought, okay, sure, and sort of went along with it. I think everybody did. I mean, we were 21, 22. Back in l. A. , the detectives are still investigating and he run baker murder. They wanted to put duncans dazzling, but devious skill set to use one time. And get one more Blockbuster Piece of evidence. They found duncan on college, and persuaded him to make it another call to his buddy, who is still behind bars. Maybe this time, duncan could spark something incriminating out of nathan, to seal their case and charge it. We flew to utah, and from a Marriott Hotel they talked about a half hour, and little by little it started coming out. Naturally, the call was recorded. Hello, hello, talk to me. He did talk as usual, spinning another for his arrest, and he feared taking the rap for rons murder. All i know is that when we left, i dont know what to do. I dont know what i will tell him if i go down. What should i tell him . Yeah, and. That he did nothing. He kept trying to get anything to say the, words to take the blame directly for stabbing run. For cutting his throat. This is some that is why i wanted to talk to you about it. You how can you ask for forgiveness for something. I dont understand. So that makes it better . It doesnt make a. Better doesnt make it worse. It makes it do what i have to do. Then, duncan played, it sounds like you have it tucked away like it never happened, and i can see how you could do that. I have to live my, life i have to go on. It happened, it was a mistake. Not quite a confession, but close enough. Now, two years afters murder, nathan was but Duncan Martinez, he would resume college life, film studies, frat parties, and freedom. After he wrapped up this undercover call with nathan, detectives drove him back to campus, and dropped him off. As he was getting out of the car, it is really too bad that we had to meet under the circumstances, because i thought you would be a lot of fun to hang out with you guys. Was Duncan Martinez literally Getting Away With Murder . Maybe. He was too smart to screw that up. Wasnt he . Coming up. He told me he had witnessed a murder. Duncans secret. I remember thinking this has to be something he made up, surely this would be something that would have caught up with him. Was it about two . It is almost as if he knew his facade might have been slipping. When dateline continues. Feel darkest before dawn. With caplyta, theres a chance to let in the lyte. Caplyta is proven to deliver significant relief across bipolar depression. Unlike some medicines that only treat bipolar i, caplyta treats both bipolar i and ii depression. And in clinical trials, Movement Disorders and weight gain were not common. Call your doctor about sudden mood changes, behaviors, or suicidal thoughts. 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So hes walking up to the edge of something. Yeah, he never got into details, but he had told me he was helping the police with it. None can fun loving film student and party animal, doofus oreilly, tangled up in murder, but for once thank and seemed serious, deadly serious. He said that he and the roommate had talked about going after a college friend, and that there had been an intentional plan. That he was a part of. That it appeared he had been a part of. Yes. I remember thinking it was something he made up. Another one of his many stories . Hes trying to be a bigger person than he really, is because surely this would be something that would have caught up with him. But, was it true . Melissas happy campus life felt trouble, and so she confided in a couple of trusted friends, and she didnt intend for the story to spread, but it did. So kind of me being big mouth about what duncan said to me, to a couple of guys, went to my brother, went to the alum of the university, the police, the lapd, and being asked to leave this fraternity. Then, duncan found, oh it was melissa who leaked his story. He was pretty angry, and pretty aggressive, and told me i needed to keep my mouth shut. There was a Restraint Amount of violence in him. Where you threatened . I remember being afraid of him. It was almost as if he knew his facade and the way he had slipped in might have been slipping. Maybe it was a mistake to bring it up in the first place . My lou slip for the sinking ship. In la, meanwhile, Detective Circular and jackson were focused on dealing him. He had been sent to prison for that bank robbery, but that is where they were to see him, hoping to oaks a confession which they could use to finally when nathan sauce it was like, take a is whats up . We said, nothing we just want to come sit down, talk to you, see if we are missing something here. Do you want to tell us what you remember, it is something that you dont fall upon. So he reiterated his whole original story, she optima for the bus, stop went and, drank we came back, and we at which point, the detectives had a little, surprised they brought with him. The audio tapes of duncan exposing his good friend nathan. What did we tell you that somebody im telling you okay. And that is what we are confirming. Someone is telling us that you killed ronald baker. And i said, would you be curious to hear who is saying this about you . He said yeah, i would love to. And i said i have the tape of that conversation. And we hit the button. I dont see how you could do that. And as soon as he hears, his head with like this. I mean, it is, like we had him so bad. And at that point, he is kind of losing faith on his ability to tell us what happened, and i believe im john that said twice. That you remember . And that was the breaking point. His confession. Two and a half years after he was stabbed to death, detectives finally had what they needed. A few months later, he was indicted for the first degree murder. Theyre or not, he left to take the entire rap for killing ron baker. As for Duncan Martinez, the worst thing that happened to him was being booted from his fraternity. Did you make peace with the idea that duncan would just lift the rest of his life . I guess i had to. Some people through luck managed to avoid paying the price justice demands, but it is also true in the fraternity of the convicted few behaviors are considered as low as despicable as the ratting out of a friend. And, the no one knew it, fate had in mind. And maybe, the sense of humor in the form, this time where theyre living, breathing, rat. Coming up. I witnessed my best friend kill my best friend. And, i did not know what to do. Was he emotional when he was telling you this. Not at all. 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Christmas time in Salt Lake City utah, a Sporting Goods store, an alarm went off. Cops arrive. Detective jims prior was called to the Police Station to interview the Burglar Suspect caught redhanded. It seemed like a likable enough kid, he committed a petty crime, got caught, confessed his part in the crime. It seemed personable enough. Not adversarial at all. Chatty, cordial, cooperative, sound familiar . Well of course. The thief was Duncan Martinez. Did he come off as a criminal . Or as a regular guy . No, my initial impression was maybe a Smart Alec College Kid who could talk his way out of anything. But duncan could not talk his way out of this one. He was headed to jail, for a two bit burglary. After he was interviewed and processed, we wanted to confirm his identity. He said we can go to my, house i have my i. D. There. So they went to his apartment, found his i. D. , and while there, duncan asked for a small favor. He said, hey, can you feed my pet rat. Feed my pet rat . Yeah, the other officer that was with me, we look at one another, and said did he really say that . The kid was accommodating, so he wanted to feed his pet rat because he was expected to be in jail, did not want his creature to suffer. So the detective walked over the cage, fed the rat. And if he hadnt done that, he probably wouldnt have spotted duncans day planner, lying right there. And like any good detective, he took a peek inside. And found a business card, it was detective rick jackson in the homicide unit. Robbery homicide in l. A. , that is a big deal. I guess that is the tip of the spear, if you will. And, it made me interested. So interested, he called Detective Jackson, he says you know a guy called Duncan Martinez . I said yes i know a guy called Duncan Martinez. I said is there anything i can help you with . I immediately went to, we can use this, you need to get it on tape. Use this . This was the excuse duncan had given the police for the burglary. He said, i only did this because somebody is extorting me as a witness somebody get murdered in los angeles, and this person that i know told me if i didnt do this burglary for him, that he was going to tell the police, and he knew about my involvement in this l. A. Thing. Wow. Everything is done, we cant use what he told us initially against him. What is against the rules . Bingo, all dense blabbing just might be his undoing. Remember, under the conditions of his king for a deal, dunkincouldve talked to anybody about the case. He was specifically and emphatically told by us, you cannot discuss this with anyone except your attorney. He was told that on within one occasion. I was even telling him, thanking you cannot talk about this. So jackson called prior, with an idea. You need to call him, back to him the story is a long story exactly what have, been in a tape record him. But this time he had wanted out of joes back home. So detective pryor called him, left a message. Lo and behold, he calls me back. Hey, youngkin he started talking about his situation, just fatherly advice. Then, prior east into the ali murder thing, duncan had mentioned. I witnessed my best friend, youre my best friend, and i didnt know what to do. You witnessed your best friend killed your best friend . Yes it was my two best friends. At that point, he started to open up a bit, and started telling his story. The whole story. How he and nathan saw a tv show about a kidnapping, and decided they could do better. They picked the unsuspecting ron baker as their victim, wanted him to the tunnel, and Supposedly Nathan tripped and ron made a joke and all hell broke loose. Nathan jumped him, landed back onto the open no what to do. What was it like to hear him spit out that story. I had interviewed and taking confessions for many people over the years, confessed to serious crimes, robberies, on homicides, sexual assault, but hearing him say that, for some reason i knew it was not bs. He was really telling the truth. And it caused me to step back, and say, did i really just hear that . Was he emotional when he was telling you this. Not at all. Kind of, cold and calculated. He did not seem remorseful at all. Even as he recounted his last desperate effort to survive. And his own instruction to nathan. I told nathan, youve got to finish him off or something, Something Like that because when he told nothing to cut his throat. For sure. And thinking about, it getting shivers. Even now . Yes, after 27 years. Soon after, he early Police Station received that precious audiotape. It is like an early christmas, gift and i was thrilled. Duncan had broken the rules of his agreement, all he had to do is keep his mouth shut, and he did not. So now, Duncan Martinez was indicted for the murder, just like nathan. Soon, he would return home to l. A. , but this time for trial for the murder of ron baker. But Duncan Martinez had yet another plan, and he intended to go free. 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Narrator ron baker could have been starting his career join the millions of people taking back their privacy ron baker couldve been as an astrophysicist at the time his roommates went starting his career as an astrophysicist, by the time his roommates went on trial for first degree murder, a crime so senseless, even as a jury was seated, rons family and the detectives were still struggling to understand. They were separate trials, nathan had the first trial. It was march 1996, nathan didnt take long, and neither did the verdict. They came back guilty, no surprise, and the court showed no mercy. He was sentenced to life without parole. Now, duncan, but before his trial began, you helped the cops duncan was offered a deal, a good one, plead guilty to Second Degree murder, and just maybe walk after around 12 years. But, it was not to be. Basically gave us the middle finger, said no, i want less. I want a better deal. I want to go on probation, or 7, years or whatever that wasnt in the cards. So duncan put on his best behavior, and took his shot in court. The defense made the arguments of a man who had had the confidence to turn down a deal, and insisted duncan did not kill ron, that was nathan. Without duncans help, they said, the cops would never have cracked the case. Except, remember that story about watching and actually planning the crime, and how in that dark tunnel, while their victims struggle to survive, it was duncan who gave the order to finish him off. Which the jury could not ignore. It was less than it took for nathan story to come back, and he was convicted for the same thing. Guilty, first degree murder, sentenced to life without parole. He had made his choice, no deal, and he paid the price. I was not surprised at all, the fact he turned down a Second Degree murder would have been out by now. So he made has bet, he just had to lie in it now. Thats the way i feel. But he would kill his best friend for a thrill . It happens. There is no explanation for. It and maybe this back to the madness of two. Together, they created this, and that is what the jury felt based on the evidence that was put forward to them to do Something Like this to a friend. In this case, that is exactly what happened, and he did not stop, it and he could have. I told myself, had it not been for martinez, when you put the two personalities together, you got the dynamite, and the fumes. Duncan and nathan or both assent away, destined to die in prison. And nearly 25 years went by, young men to hardcore lifers. Rons parents died, sister patty had two children, jackson and marie tina retired. And then, one june evening in 2020, right around the Summer Solstice, im sending swirling through facebook, and somebody posted an article about the governor pardoning and which sure enough i see Duncan Martinez, age 50, and you know, my heart just saying. Your heart sank because his sentence had been community, making him eligible for parole. Nobody had notified paddy. Later, she saw the letter from the governor, which said mr. Martinez has dedicated himself to his rehabilitation, and becoming a productive citizen. And merits the opportunity to make his case to the board of parole hearings. I know there is a pressure to release and mates, but there are a lot more types of inmates that could be released and people who have committed murders. He has been a model prisoner, he has schmoozed if you people along the way, when he is not done anything bad. And had he made a deal, it would have been or a long time ago. Right. So why not . And it comes back to the victim. The nice kid, wouldnt hurtt a fly, kind of person, he never got a chance to be a good productive citizen. Nevertheless, december 8th 2020, Quick Jackson and patty baker met, to watch and participate via live stream, in the formal parole hearing. He looks old, doesnt he . Yeah. The parole board would not let us record the proceedings, but they did provide a few pictures of the man who came before them. Duncan is 50 now, his hair is turned, gray he has gained a few pounds, patty tried to stay calm, as she prepared to watch. Well, mind zaidi is pretty high, there is no doubt in the back of my mind what if. It is a wildcard, and who knows what duncan will say today, can he be a charming, guy hes engaging, he is always used it for his benefit and to manipulate others. Duncan, talkative us, always addressed the, board said he was deeply remorseful that he took responsibility for what happened, that he was a terrible person back, then but now it was a changed man. Low risk of, violence said the president report. He spoke up as, well they implored the keeping duncan a master manipulator locked up forever, just as the jury ruled he should be all those years ago. It is not life with parole, it is life without parole. Then, as duncan waited patiently inside the prison, the panel spoke privately to discuss his fate. Keep him where he is, locked up, were released him. It took less than 30 minutes, and then, three little words, suitable for parole. It is a gut punch mostly, because it is the worst gut punch to paddy. Im disappointed in our system, and glad that my parents are not around to see this. To deal with another heartache at the hands of duncan. Duncan told us he could not comment just now, but his attorney gave us this statement, saying martinez takes responsibility for his actions, is remorseful, has done all he can to rehabilitate himself and prison, and earned the right to be released. But we wondered, why did duncan get a shot at parole, and not nathan. Well, for one thing, nathan did not apply back in 2017 when duncan did, so his case was not considered. Though he has applied now, and it has gone to the governors office, which is not releasing details. We asked nathan if he had some sort of comment to make, and he wrote back this letter. Which we should paddy. What started as an accident and nightmare for so many, i cannot ask the weaker family for forgiveness, it is up to them to determine if i will ever earn that right. I am glad he took accountability for his actions. It still does not bring my brother, back still does not change what either of them dead. What they did. The madness of two. Nathan is still serving his life sentence, but, Duncan Martinez, in april of 2021, duncan was released on parole. Just in time for the Summer Solstice. Hello, im Andrea Canning and this is dateline. I was one of the last to suspect anything. Even though you were hopeful, you knew as soon as you hung up the phone, you knew. How does anybody look at Somebody Drowning and not help him . How do you do that . A perfect husband. A perfect father. A perfect mystery. They found the boat. Mike wasnt in it