Transcripts For MSNBCW Dateline 20200315

Turned deadly mystery. The notes say we are following you. It seemed like someone playing a game. The whole plan was designed for him to die. Interviews heard here first. Zb zble. He was murdered. Ive held my silence for 15 years. Inside the riveting story datelines covered from the start. There is a frozen body. Its in the freezer in the garage. We have three different deaths. How are they related . Im thinking, wow, she could really be the mastermind of this. Evil and death and greed. Its not a script. Its not makebelieve. How horrible can you be . May they burn in hell. Reporter what a pretty, late summer afternoon it had been along the great lake. August 28th, 2003, a day that people of erie, pennsylvania, will long remember, not for its pleasant breezes but for that spasm of unexpected violence. Dateline was there. It all started with a pizza delivery. It ended two hours later in one of the most bizarre Crimes Police have ever witnessed. Reporter maybe you remember bits of it. A pizza delivery guy robbing a bank, claiming he had a ticking time bomb locked around his neck. The images are hard to forget and still painful to watch. Horrific, bizarre, almost like the mother of all, you know, whodunits. Reporter strange indeed. But on that day we didnt have a clue about all that still lay ahead. A few weeks after the bank heist, this happened. There is a frozen body. Its in the freezer in the garage. Reporter a 911 caller said there was a man dead in a freezer in his garage and a woman in his living room very much alive. Who is she to you, sir . Uh, i helped her do some stuff that i shouldnt do. Reporter that call was made by a huge guy in bib overalls who looked like an extra from the old show heehaw. But he was no dumb hayseed. He was the smartest guy in the room. He would become one of the leads, maybe the mastermind in a colorful cast of characters, people on the fringes of society. Lets just call them unconventional. All the broken toys of erie, p. A. , show up in one story. At the center of it all was marjorie diehlarmstrong. Marjorie, where do you even begin . She had danger written all over her. She did. She has a magnetic quality about her. You know, some people have described it as magnetically revolting. The amazing part for me is that these people all found each other with the same likemindedness of evil and death and greed. Reporter it started on a thursday, 1 30 in the afternoon. An order came into mama mias pizzeria. Two sausage and pepperoni pies for delivery. Driver brian wells scribbled down the address. It wasnt a home or even a business. The caller wanted the pizzas delivered to a cluster of tv station antennas and satellite dishes nestled in the woods. Deliver manuels headed out. About an hour after that, another call came in, this one to 911. This is an emergency. We have a bank robbery at pnc bank. Reporter fbi special agent jerry clark was in his office looking forward to a long labor day weekend. I was downtown and got notified that there was a bank robbery at 7200 peach street. Fbi is what you guys do. Fbi, thats what i do. I had been to hundreds in my career. So this one sounded different, though. Reporter security cameras showed just how different. The robber was brian wells, the delivery guy from mama mias. He handed the teller a note saying this is a bank robbery. I have a bomb, and i need 250,000 in cash. He had something underneath his shirt, but you really couldnt see exactly what it was. Reporter whatever the device was, it was attached around wells neck with something that looked like a giant handcuff. He was holding a bag in one hand, a cane in the other. At least it looked like a cane. Demeanor was calm. Swinging the cane and walking with the money very casually. Grabs a lollipop which they have on the counter. To feel comfortable enough to reach into the basket and pull out a lollipop actually surprised me. Wells strolled out with a bag of money but he might not have been so calm if he knew how fast Law Enforcement was responding. A guy just walked out with a, i dont know how much cash in a bag. State troopers were closing in. I got called that there was a bank robbery in progress. Reporter Pennsylvania State Police Crime Unit supervisor lamont king rolled out. Jerry clark of the fbi was on his way. So was the erie p. D. Bomb squad. Tv news live vans werent far behind. The pizza guy turned bank robber drove out of the mcdonalds parking lot next to the bank but didnt get far. Wells was intercepted just up the hill by troopers, only a few hundred yards from the bank itself. I had him get out of the vehicle, at which time they noticed the collar around his neck. Reporter the robber told them he was wearing a bomb. They werent about to doubt him. The troopers took precaution, handcuffed the individual, kneeled him down, and then they proceeded to take cover. Reporter fbi man jerry clark arrived moments later. I came screaming up peach, and i pulled exactly to the end of the lot and thought, oh, man, thats too close. So i immediately reversed, came around, and got into this parking lot. And hes talking to the officers . He is. Reporter wells identified himself, said he was a pizza delivery man. Can you call my boss . Reporter sitting on the pavement crosslegged and handcuffed, wells seemed more desperate than desperado. He pleaded for a cigarette and help. Can you at least take these freakin handcuffs off . Reporter and then he told his story, his words. Some black men had accosted him, locked the fiendish collar around his neck and activated the bomb. The conversations back and forth, and went on for quite a while. Reporter police didnt know what to make of the man with the bomb, but they knew he was dangerous and kept a safe distance. It was a stalemate with no easy way out. Wells sat on the pavement for ten minutes, then 20, all the way, tick, tick. The bomb squad was getting close, but traffic by now was hopelessly snarled. Theyd be there in a few minutes. Nobody knew if that would be time enough. Coming up its gonna go off. Hes pleading can you get this thing off me . A race against the clock. Had you ever seen anything like it . Like that . No. And what they would see as the case unfolded would be darker than any of them imagined. I just was overwhelmed by this dark feeling. Everybody was lying and framing me, okay . If shes at the center of this, what does this mean . Reporter when dateline continues. With advil, you have power over pain, so the whole world looks different. The unbeatable strength of advil. What pain . Ladies, my friends and i are having a debate. I have a back rash. Alright. Whoa, mara. I laugh like this. [ laughs obnoxiously ] its just not my scene. I couldnt help but over do you like insurance . I love insurance. 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How close can you zoom in with that . Were live. I need you to zoom in. Reporter fbi agent jerry clark was just 20 feet from wells. The man people described as calm when he robbed the bank seemed increasingly anxious. Hes pleading, can you get this thing off me . Its gonna go off. Im not lying. Reporter no one dared approach. The standoff lasted 30 excruciating minutes, and then something happened. You hear a countdown beep almost like a bond movie or something. Very faintly, you know, a beep, beep, beep. A digital countdown timer. Reporter lamont king heard the beeping too. He grabbed a pair of binoculars and zoomed in on wells. Im listening to him, and i got him pretty much zoomed in. Then i hear another beep. Once i heard the second beep, he got agitated. Reporter the standoff had now lasted 31 minutes. The clock hit 3 18. The device locked around brian wells neck exploded. Ill never forget it. Mr. Wells fell back, and i watched his chest, and the air went out but never came back, and i thought, ah, this is a fatal situation. And debris is sailing through the air . You could feel the percussion from the device. I felt a couple pieces hit right down around here. The basic image that sticks in my mind is the eyes going back to the head. Then he just went down. Reporter brian wells died moments after the explosion. The bomb crushed his chest and lacerated his heart. It was a horrifying scene, all of it captured by news cameras. Later that night, brians sister was relaxing at home, completely unaware. I turned on the news. Somebody robbed a bank. And i looked, and i was like, theres my brother, brian. Whats he doing there, sitting there . Sitting on the road . Sitting on the road. Then i said to the kids, does that look like brian, uncle brian . They said yeah. Reporter it seemed impossible, couldnt be true. Jean turned to her husband. He says, jean, your brothers not a bank robber. I said, i know my brotherss not a bank robber, but it looks like brian. Reporter as she watched the standoff play out on tv, she saw exactly how he died. Youd been watching the last moments of brians life. Right. My brother was sitting there, you know, handcuffed. Police officers were pointing guns at him, you know, like hes a criminal. What did he need at that moment, jean . Brian needed assistance. Brian needed compassion. Brian needed to be heard, but none of that happened. Reporter maybe what brian needed most was for bomb teches to defuse the device around his neck. The erie bomb squad didnt get that chance. Coming from another part of town, they arrived just two minutes after the explosion. The commander suited up into his bomb gear. What did you make of it . The collar still remained on his neck, so you could see that, and we couldnt tell whether there was still any explosive devices inside what remained of that collar. Had you ever seen anything like it . Like that . No. Really nobody in the United States had seen anything like that. Reporter that included jerry clark, with 20 years of Law Enforcement experience under his belt. He was joined at the scene by his fbi supervisor. After both of us initially said, oh, my god, i cant believe what we saw. And i said, i got to have this case. And he said, its yours. Lets go. Reporter from the first moments, every move agent clark made would be under intense scrutiny. It was a media frenzy. I mean live satellite dishes, local, national, international news. It was a big event. Reporter one of the people watching the coverage was trey borzelali. On the day brian wells died, trey was a couple hours away in buffalo, settling his mothers estate. It was a bitter two weeks in Buffalo Packing her things. I was wrapped up, done, reached out to some friends to have a drink and say goodbye. Trey was saying goodbye to his hometown and heading back to his new life in new york city, where he was trying to become a documentary filmmaker. All he needed was a good story. What do you think the ingredients are for the kind of thing you want to see and want to make . It had to be something that was shocking, that really pulled you in. Reporter while raising a farewell glass with friends, trey noticed the coverage of the bank robbery in erie. The newscast came over the tv in the corner of the bar, and i was hooked. It seemed like it had all the pieces right from the start. Had you found your white whale . Absolutely. I thought, wow, how desperate did that man have to be. Reporter back in erie, brian wells big sister, barbara, was also thinking about how desperate her brother looked in his last moments. That fit her belief that brian was a victim. Nothing else made sense for the brother she loved. Brian was a fun person, a quiet person, a humble person. Reporter brian was one of eight children, an easygoing guy. He liked puzzles and Scavenger Hunts, watched action movies with his mom. It was a simple life and it suited him just fine. He never wanted to be in the spotlight. If he could even imagine what had happened to him the last several minutes of his life, hes said, no, no, thats not me. Reporter younger sister jean said brians last hour was not spent as a criminal but as a hostage of the real bank robbers, the people who accosted him, locked the collar around his neck, and activated the bomb. It was exactly as brian said. He delivered pizzas, and these guys strapped this thing on him. Yes. Reporter jerry clark heard brian wells say that with his own ears. Im not lying. Reporter it sounded like a declaration of innocence by a man who seemed to know he was about to die. But clark wasnt ruling anything in or out. For him, it was just one piece in an already strange and complicated puzzle. Coming up could someone have unlocked the bomb in time . A Scavenger Hunt to find the key. Each site was to have notes on where to go next. Reporter and another hunt begins for a suspect. They ran up on me like just like gangbusters, like i was Charles Manson or somebody. Reporter when dateline continues. These days you need faster internet that does all you expect and way more. Thats xfinity xfi. Get powerful wifi coverage that leaves no room behind with xfi pods. And now xfi advanced security is free with the xfi gateway, giving you an added layer of network protection, so every device thats connected is protected. Thats a 72 a year value. No one else offers this. Faster speed, coverage, and free advanced security at an unbeatable value with xfinity xfi. Can your internet do that . Reporter it was a grotesque scene and maybe still potentially lethal. When the bomb squad gave the allclear, fbi agent jerry clark headed for brian wells car, a chevrolet geo. When you look at the car, i guess thats an important thing, right . Yes, absolutely. Reporter the car held one peculiar thing, the cane brian wells twirled inside the bank was there. But it wasnt a simple cane. It was a shotgun that had been fabricated to look like a cane, and it was loaded. Clark kept looking. You final td the money . Find the money. In the bank, wells demanded 250,000 from the teller. The bag found in the car had way less than that. It turned out brian wells lost his life over 8,702. Investigators also recovered handwritten notes with detailed, complicated instructions apparently written for wells on how to carry out the robbery. The notes involved in this case were voluminous. There were nine total pages of notes. Reporter the notes referred to wells as a hostage, and they were peppered with dire warnings like bomb has tripwires. Forcing or tampering will detonate. And we are following you. If you delay, disobey or alert anyone, you will die. The collar bomb locked around wells neck had four keyholes. The notes also included maps and instructions directing wells to a location where hed find a key and more instructions on where to find another key and then another, until finally hed be free of the bomb. An illustrated manuscript of tre treachery. I get the sense theres a Scavenger Hunt going on and if he follows the notes in a timely manner, he can go from point a to b to c to d and come up with the holy grail, which is the key to unlock this thing. Thats basically what it was. It was a Scavenger Hunt, and each site was to have notes on where to go next and a key to one of the four keyholes that held the device around his neck. Reporter jerry clark had never seen anything like it. No one had. Investigators decided to retrace wells steps. It looked as though he was following the instructions to the letter. Jerry, im looking over here. I see an urgent care business, but in 2003, that was the bank, huh . Yes, that was the pnc bank. Mr. Wells robs the bank and proceeds down keystone drive here, turns right into where were standing. And this is the start of this crazy Scavenger Hunt, huh . This is point a. What mr. Wells is to do at this location is to go into this flowerbed, turn over a rock or stone that was in the flower bed and retrieve a note. Reporter the note under the rock directed wells to his next destination, but he never made it. Law enforcement makes an entry here, does a felony car stop, and basically placed mr. Wells under arrest right here. So is this the standoff, the famous picture we see . This is it right here. Reporter wells Scavenger Hunt and his life ended here. Less than an hour after the explosion, lamont king of the state police took the notes and followed the rest of the directions exactly as written. We went down to the first site on interchange road. He was supposed to find a coffee jar and a couple other things, which we found. You know, everything we found, we bagged for evidence. Reporter king made all the stops while another trooper timed the trip. It took well over an hour, and that was a Crucial Point because the bombs timing device turned out to be a common 60minute kitchen timer. Would you have had enough time to make all of these rounds on the Scavenger Hunt and recover the key and save your life . You would have never had the time. So that indicated to us that that device was never meant to come off. Plus there were no keys found at any of the sites. There never was a key. That whole plan was not designed for him to live. It was a very cruel death, very cruel death. Reporter the thought was chilling. Brian wells appeared to be the victim of a diabolical plot, i wrongtime, wrongplace patsy. A search of his home supported the theory. Did you find any how to make a bomb things from the internet . Nothing of the kind. Reporter but agents did discover a list of names and phone numbers handwritten by wells. They started making calls. A woman on the list had an africanamerican boyfriend. The fbi tracked him down. He had a history of knowing explosives. He was in the military and actually had spent some time working with explosives. And your victim is saying his words, black guys did this to me. It looked really good, and his girlfriends name is in mr. Wells handwriting in his apartment. Reporter the man was known by his initials, j. J. Agents found him at work and then went to his home. We do a search warrant at his residence. How did that go down . Well, he was upset. Reporter dateline talked to j. J. Back in 2003, not long after that search warrants with executed. He was still upset. I voluntarily let them search my house the first time, which i did. I had no problem with it. The second time they ran up on me just like gangbusters, like i was Charles Manson or somebody. Reporter the search of j. J. s home was exhaustive, but it turned up nothing. None of the evidence pointed that j. J. Had any involvement in this at all. So he wasnt going anywhere. Hes dropping off your list. Hes coming off the list. Reporter an early lead had fizzled. J. J. Was cleared. But a new suspect, a woman with a macabre history, was about to turn a difficult investigation, an fbi major case, into something that looked more like a horror movie than a whodunit. Coming up another deadly discovery. Body number two. Did not seem coincidental to us. Reporter and then body number three theres a frozen body. Its in the freezer in the garage. Reporter when dateline continues. No wonder you rub your eyes hundreds of times a day. But now, relief is just one drop away. Introducing pataday® full prescription strength pataday works right in your eyes. Right on the cells that make them itch. Fast. Just one drop, once a day means relief that lasts all day. So turn your day, into a pataday. 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It happened north of baghdad at camp taji, the same base where three servicemen, including two americans, were killed on wednesday. Now back to dateline. Reporter everything about this crime was different. A middleaged pizza deliveryman with goggly glasses made for an Unlikely Bank robber. Investigators had never seen anything remotely like the Scavenger Hunt that turned out to be a death march. And weirdest of all was that peculiar bomb with the locking collar. Erie p. D. Bomb squad commander at the time needed to find clues in the shrapnel from the exploded bomb to understand the bottomma bott bomb makary he mentality. The farther piece was about 300 feet away. The farther street went all the way across the street into the parking lot of another business. Most of them scattered within about 60 feet. You need to know in that scene where every single piece landed. That very important in putting that device back together. Reporter in trying to preserve the pieces for evidence, there was a terrible problem. The handcufflike metal collar was still locked around brian wells neck. Warnings in the Scavenger Hunt notes said wells was being watched and labels on the device itself said the bomb was filled with booby traps that could set it off. From what was contained in the note, it was very threatening. Reporter he had seen a lot in his career as the Erie County Deputy coroner, but when he went to collect brian wells body at the crime scene, he was jittery. After i read this letter, it was disconcerting. Whoever did this was watching, keeping an eye on the scene, and they would harm anybody who they observed doing something they didnt agree with. I was scared. You dont want to be collateral damage. I do not. Reporter the coroner asked the bomb experts if it would be safe to move the body. Would maybe a secondary booby trap device explode . Ominous wires were still threaded through the collar. Tom stankiewicz, the bomb squad commander, had examined it carefully, even xrayed it. He said it was safe, probably. Its hard to hide things from an x ray machine, and we thoroughly xrayed that device. But i still cant im not inside of it. I cant see inside of it with my own eyes. And i was scared when we took mr. Wells to the Coroners Office because we it was just myself and our livery driver, and we were unprotected. It was just the two of us. Dont hit any potholes. No, exactly, yeah. Reporter the collar was still potentially dangerous, and it was also important evidence. So the question was how to remove it safely and still keep it intact. There was no easy answer. Commander stankiewicz wasnt making any guarantees. He was 90 , 95 sure that we could drill through the back of it and take it off without it exploding. Thats a very poor result if youre on the 10 side of it. Yeah. And so i needed 100 . So what was the decision that was made . We decided to do, i guess, for lack of a better description, a surgical decapitation so we could get the collar off safely and intact. So you took the victims head off. Yes. It was one of the hardest decisions ive ever had to make, both professionally and personally. Reporter after completing that grim procedure, coroner tieman met with brian wells family and told them about it. They felt brian was being victimized again, even in death. How painful was that for you . That was very painful. I think it was most painful for my mom because, like, she wanted to have an open casket. They were more concerned with the integrity of the collar than they were of his person. Pain on pain on pain on pain. Yeah. He was decapitated like john the baptist. Reporter with the pieces of the device recovered, Tom Stankiewicz was able to go into his shop and craft an exact replica of the bomb, 340 parts in all. It is a frightening model. Can i lift this thing up . Sure. How much does it weigh . Oh, man. Its 15 pounds. This is heavy. I cant imagine this thing around your neck. Open up the inside. Take me through the components. So on the inside youve got a lot of wires. Yeah. Youve got a standard device, pipe bombs, mechanical timers. Pipe bombs are over here. And mechanical timers that are the device. Then you have the distractions laid in there. Reporter the device was filled with things that were meant to confuse. This cell phone is a toy connected to nothing, and some of the warning labels were phony, but it was lethal with compressed black powder sifted from shotgun shells. Stankiewiczs model was built to the exact specifications of the original, down to the make and model of the Household Items used. This digital timer was designed to sound a warning beep, beep, in the seconds before the bomb exploded. So thats what youre hearing right there. Gives me chills. Makes me want to get away from this thing as i hear it. Absolutely. Reporter the bomb was the work of someone with machine shop skills and clearly a devious mind. The original bomb parts were sent to the fbi lab in quantico, virginia. The Scavenger Hunt notes, meanwhile, were delivered to fbi behavioral profilers. Think the Hannibal Lecter unit. You bring your case and talk and discuss your case with the profilers, and together you come up with a profile. Reporter agent jerry clark was hoping a psychological profile would help crack a tough case. But just three days after brian wells died, there was a sfratra and alarming development. Get this. Robert pin etty, another delivery man at mamas pizzeria was found dead inside his house. The coroner ruled it an overdose. Whether its accidental or not, at the time were not sure, but we know it was a combination of drugs that were lethal. The fact that two pizza delivery drivers from the same shop are deceased within three days did not seem coincidental to us. Reporter then incredibly, another body was discovered, this one inside a house just a few hundred yards from where brian wells was supposed to make his last delivery. Theres a frozen body. Its in the freezer in the garage. That was one of those moments where im sure the 911 caller said, can you repeat that and do it slowly. Reporter coming up a body wrapped in the freezer and a woman wrapped in mystery. Shes had many men in her life fall victim to bizarre deaths. She is the epitome of a black widow. Reporter when dateline continues. Ive teeth, you probably arent going to brush your teeth as effectivity because it causes pain. And if you see blood you should do something about it. You know, i talk to dentists every day and theyre able to recommend one product, new sensodyne sensitivity gum, to address both conditions at the same time. If we only treat one versus the other, the patients mouth is never going to be where it needs to be. 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Wow, another one of these this cant get any crazier moments. Reporter the 911 call came from a big guy in bib overalls who was driving the streets of erie. Calling from his van, he decided it was time to share a secret with the police. Im at 8645 peach street, in the garage, there is a frozen body. Its in the freezer in the garage. Theres a woman there that you might want to pick up and question. How do you know that, sir . Im the guy who lives there. What is her name . Marjorie diehl. What is your name, sir . Bill rothstein. Reporter bill rothstein, it turned out, was a 59yearold lifelong erie, pennsylvania, resident. Who was telling a 911 operator he would turn himself in but only after marjorie was apprehended. Okay. And shes at that residence now . Yes. Who is she to you, sir . I helped her do some stuff that i shouldnt do, but i never killed anybody. So i just want that known. Ill give you guys my story later on. Reporter trooper lamont king, who had witnessed brian wells death in the parking lot, was now dispatched to find that freezer in the rothstein home. We arrived at rothsteins house, went inside the house, heard somebody in the back room. Marjorie was sitting on a bed, and she just started ranting and raving. Reporter as trooper king left other officers to guard her, he made his way to the homes garage. Rothstein was a hoarder, and the place was a stye. Its a real long garage, and its cluttered on both sides. Theres just nothing but clutter. I dont see a freezer. But what i did see was a plastic tarp coming from the ceiling all the way down to the floor. And when i got to the tarp, i pulled it, and there was the freezer. And at that time i opened the freezer and saw the body in there wrapped like a side of beef, at which time i closed the freezer and had everybody leave the garage and declared it a crime scene. Reporter the trooper went back inside the house to find marjorie. I just placed my hand on her shoulder, and i told her, im placing you under arrest. Reporter so step back a second. In the span of less than a month, there were three bizarre incidents that baffled the people and authorities of erie, p. A. First was the pizza bombing death. Then the sudden death of the second pizza deliveryman. And now there was an unexplained frozen body. Marjorie diehlarmstrong told police she had nothing to do with the body in the freezer and didnt have much else to say. Bill rothstein, on the other hand, was ready to talk, and what he had to say would make headlines. This is one of the biggest but clearly the strangest story i ever covered in all the years ive been in erie. Reporter paul wagner of nbc affiliate wicu tv has covered local erie news since 1979. He was a very smart man. He spoke a couple foreign languages, and he said he had a mensa level iq. He taught drafting. He was a substitute teacher in the erie schools. Reporter rothstein taught classes including Industrial Arts and sciences. Hed advised the High School Robotics team. Hed come from a prominent family and his parents were known as the bottlers of a local soda pop, rola cola. On camera, mr. William rothstein. Reporter now he was in a Police Interrogation room where he agreed to a videotaped interview. Rothstein seemed calm and collected. His attorney was also there. When bill was asked to sign his waiver of his miranda rights, there was a misspelling in there. Except for one thing. There should be a d after that. It was like a chess game to him. He liked to let them know he was as smart as they were, and i think he enjoyed it. How long have you known Marjorie Armstrong . Ive known her roughly 30, 35 years. Okay. And briefly what was your relationship with her . Uh, we went together, i think, and then we got engaged like the first year. Reporter they never married, but she and bill rothstein remained friends in a complicated relationship. A romance that was just a small part of marjorie diehlarmstrongs long and troubled histor do you want to take a crack, trey, at explaining who marjorie is . Marjorie diehlarmstrong, she is a very famous or i should say infamous resident of erie, pennsylvania. Trey borzillieri, the wouldbe documentarian had come to erie after the frozen body was found, trying to find out everything he could about two very strange crimes and two unique individuals bill rothstein and marjorie diehlarmstrong. What he was discovering about marjorie was troubling to say the least. In some publications, you might find the epithet black widow next to her name. She is the epitome of a black widow. Shes had many men in her life fall victim to busineizarre deay her hand and also by odd circumstances. Reporter it was a much different story when marjorie was younger. A near straight a student in high school, she seemed defendantendestined for a bright future. Marjorie diehlarmstrong was a very bright lady. Got a bachelors degree and a masters degree. Looked like she was on the road to a very successful life. Reporter it turned out marjories latest boyfriend, jim roden, was the body stuffed in a freezer. Rothstein was telling police that marjorie shot that boyfriend after an argument in her house, and then he took the body and stored it in his garage freezer. I said, how the hell did you kill him if where did you shoot him from . She said she shot him from the the foot of the bed is here, and she shot him from this side, this direction. Reporter and in this case the phrase dead men tell no tales wasnt necessarily true, especially when that dead man is found in a freezer that just happens to be next door to that tv tower where brian wells made his last pizza delivery. Coming up this is where i cut up the rifle. 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Reporter meanwhile back in a Police Interview room, bill rothstein, the man in the overalls, was telling the cops how hed become a ghoul on behalf of his friend, marjorie diehlarmstrong, who he said in fact had shot to death the man jackknifed into the freezer. She had a body in her house that she wanted removed. I helped her with it. We i put it basically in my garage. And at that and that saturday she wanted it completely destroyed. Reporter not only was he willing to sit down and talk to detectives these shoes were these sneakers were the ones i used when i put the body in the freezer. Reporter he was eager to be a crime scene tour guide as well. He takes all the investigators out to the house and does a show and tell on camera on how hes moving the body out, huh . He sure does. Hes walking people through, and he was the instructor. Reporter rothstein, the former substitute teacher, was all but in charge of the gaggle of cops in his wake. He confidently did a walkthrough at both crime scenes. Marjories house where shed allegedly shot her boyfriend, and his house where he later stored the body in his freezer. This is where i cut up the rifle, the metal portion of the rifle. Reporter in his kitchen, he explained how hed destroyed the gun used in the killing. I brought in the acetylene torch in here, and i used the acetylene torch to cut it up dple completely and reduce it to slag. Reporter he said he gathered up the parts and scattered them all over erie in hopes that investigators would never find them, and they never did. Back in his garage, rothstein shared grisly details on how he and marjorie originally planned to chop up the frozen body. The grinder. I see a box for it and the grinder is here. Right. The story was i was going to use that to cut up part of the body. Reporter bill rothstein and marjorie diehlarmstrong had come up with a plan to dispose of mr. Rodens body, and their goal was to use a chainsaw, cut up his body after it was frozen, and then put it in the ice chipper to get rid of the pieces all throughout the county. Where does this kind of thinking come from . Thats about as diabolical and maniacal as you can get. Reporter rothsteins how to cover up a murder tutorial continued. Cleanup chores. The steps, i replaced most of the steps partially because they had blood on them. Then he told investigators about some razor blades left in a bag. He told them he had attempted to take his own life. That was i. What was that. Stupid attempt at suicide. You fwguys got my note . Nobody got the note . Reporter they had discovered his suicide note. Rothstein changed his mind obviously, but investigators found the note intriguing. Point number one was, this has nothing to do with the wells case, meaning brian wells, the man who died from the collar bomb. Why in the world did he have the socalled pizza bombing on his mind as hes supposed to be contemplating suicide . Why did you think to ask or put in there about it wasnt related to wells . So you wouldnt go off hog wild and say, oh, this has to do with the wells [ bleep ] and be more [ bleep ] in the newspaper and everything else. I wanted you guys to know so you dont have to waste your time trying to figure out is this part of the wells situation or not. Reporter rothsteins attorney also wondered about the wisdom of alluding to the bombing case. Typical bill. He brings up out of the blue the pizza bomber case, and it was almost like he was drawing attention to himself because he wanted to. Reporter if that werent enough to make investigators suspicious, there was Something Else that began to draw attention to rothstein like a neon sign. The location of the crime. The frozen body was found in rothsteins garage located here. Right up a gravel road a couple of hundred yards away was the tv tower site where investigators knew brian wells made his last pizza delivery. It wasnt a home or a business, but a dirt parking lot. It was too strange of a coincidence. Because of that, fbi agent clark became convinced the cases were related and was determined to learn how rothstein may have been involved with the pizza bombing. So his next move was to talk with rothstein. I interviewed him, and i knew that somehow these were related. And i just felt it from the minute i sat with him. Reporter what did he tell you . He looked at me, and he said, well, ill talk to you, but i need to tell you that im the smartesti guy in this room. I looked around, and i said, well, my wiefe tells me that every night. Lets get started. Reporter but rothstein gave up nothing. So while he was still facing charges in the frozen body case, without other evidence, he was in the clear on the pizza bombing investigation. Months passed. Then the fbis Behavioral Analysis unit came back with a preliminary profile on the unknown bomb maker, detailing his most likely traits. That hed be a manipulator, that hed be really good with his hands, that he probably had a workshop, that he probably did some teaching or instruction in the past. Everything that was in there fit perfectly to bill rothstein. Reporter coming up the investigation pivots to marjorie and the many men in her life. She decides to buy a gun, and she kills him. Reporter the many dead men. Shes as complex and interesting as anybody youll ever meet. Reporter when dateline continues. With advil, you have power over pain, so the whole world looks different. The unbeatable strength of advil. What pain . Ladies, my friends and i are having a debate. I have a back rash. Alright. Whoa, mara. I laugh like this. [ laughs obnoxiously ] its just not my scene. I couldnt help but over do you like insurance . I love insurance. 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Without a doubt, i knew shed kill again. I was like, oh, my god, is this possible . Reporter the fbi put together the profile of a bombmaker who constructed the device put on brian wells. Agent believesed that profile matched bill rothstein to a tee. Rothstein, a former High School Shop teacher, was smart and sly. With a garage full of metal working tools at his disposal. The big guy in the bib overall was now a prime suspect in the pizza bombing case. Yet investigators had no physical evidence tieing him to the crime. Bill rothstein was out on bond, accused only of the minorish charge of abusing a corpse, the one found in his home freezer. He seemed to be relishing his moment in the spotlight. Responding to a reporters question in french. [ speaking french ] rough translation too bad. But when wouldbe documentary filmmaker Trey Borzillieri went to rothsteins house to talk about the pizza bombing, rothstein wouldnt talk to him in any language. The garage is open. This is where the frozen body was held. And Classical Music is blasting out of there. So instantly its its jarring. And i look at him and i say, listen, im making a documentary on the brian wells case. And i i know its affected your life, and id like to hear your side of the story. He turned to me and he said, no. Reporter what were the hairs on the back of your neck telling you . They were telling me to get out of there. Reporter this guys creepy . Absolutely. Reporter and fbi agent clarks instincts were telling him that rothstein constructed the collar bomb. But clark still didnt have evidence to connect him to the pizza case. Then in july, 2004, less than a year after the bombing, clark got some unwelcome news. His prime suspect was dying on him. I see bill in the hospital bed, and i said, ooh, he looks much more sick than theyre telling me, so i may have one crack at this. Reporter rothstein had terminal cancer. The fbi man crossed his fingers for a deathbed confession. I said, bill, dont take this with you. Youve gotta tell me. Are these cases related . And he lifted his arm out of the bed and he spelled out no. And four days later, he hes deceased. Reporter bill rothstein was 60. And whatever involvement, if any, he had with the pizza bombing case, he took to his grave without saying a word. With rothstein dead, clarks attention turned to marjorie diehlarmstrong who, it turned out, knew her way around sudden deaths. Who is this person . You can use as many words and as many minutes as youd like to describe her. Wow. Reporter cause it takes that long, right . Shes as complex and interesting as anybody youll ever meet in your life. Reporter there are people who have a past. And then there is marjorie diehlarmstrong. Marjorie had a tremendous magnetism. We were just drawn to each other. Reporter in the 1960s, Susan Robison and marjorie were students together at eries academy high school. She just walked up to me and said, hello. And i had the funniest feeling that i had met somebody that was gonna be with me for as a friend for a long time. Reporter susan also knew big bill rothstein, who she says was in and out of marjories life for decades. I think the first person she dated seriously was bill rothstein. And he worshipped her. Well, thats heady stuff. I said, what was the attraction . And she said, there was intellectual compatibility. I really liked that about him cause he was so smart. Reporter but susan says marjorie started acting strangely, eventually turning to astrology to help guide her life. She drew up her astrological charts herself. Shed look at the charts, and they did not serve her well, for the most part. Theres a pattern, which i saw only years later because the people she was associating with got sketchier and sketchier. Reporter things got worse. Marjorie became erratic, a stream of consciousness talker. Profane. Mental illness began to take over. She suffered from bipolar disorder, other mental illnesses, and her life pretty much spiraled down. Reporter down and finally out of control. Back in 1984, marjorie was 35 when she killed a man for the first time. Bob thomas was a man that she met. Shes in an abusive relationship with him. She decides to buy a gun and she kills him. She shoots him 6 times with a. 38 special. Reporter she was charged with murder. Her attorney, leonard ambrose, realized just how difficult a defense case he had. After the shooting, she went out with a bag filled with 18,000 in cash and was soliciting individuals to help her with a chainsaw, cut up the body and bury it. Reporter oh, youre kidding. Which started the whole thing going. Reporter part of ambroses defense consisted of having marjorie committed three times while she awaited trial. To illustrate just how truly ill she was, ambrose pointed to what authorities found in her house after her 1984 arrest. Marjorie was a hoarder in the extreme. She had 400 pounds of cheese in the attic. She had hundreds of dozens of eggs in the freezers. I mean, who would put 400 pounds of cheese in your attic in july . She just was really, really disturbed, and she was never gonna get better. Reporter but the courts ultimately declared her competent to stand trial. Ambrose produced witnesses who testified that the boyfriend had physically abused marjorie in public. The lawyer made his case so compelling that the jury found her not guilty. I thank god, and i thank the jury and everybody that has always believed in helping me get through this. Reporter marjorie eventually met another man, richard armstrong, and married him. His life came to an unfortunate end too. He fell and hit his head on a coffee table. She took him into the emergency room. He was seen. They claimed that they thought he had the flu or Something Like that and he was okay to go home. She went to get the car to take him home, and he collapsed on the floor and died. Reporter police investigated the death and cleared marjorie. Marjorie then sued the hospital for malpractice. He died and she won a large settlement. Reporter so when marjorie diehlarmstrongs name flashes on the 11 00 news, people with pretty good memories in erie recognize it, right . Marjories back. So when her name came up as related to the death of james roden, there was not a surprised person in town. Reporter roden, her third dead partner, was the one shot and frozen. But once again marjorie was institutionalized because of her mental illness. And agent clark was prohibited from talking with her. But that was about to change. Coming up marjorie points the finger at someone new. Ive never killed a person in my life, and i never would. Hell, i hate to kill bugs. And a dangerous close encounter. I pulled my gun out and i was very close to squeezing out a round. When i noticed my sister moving differently, i didnt know what was happening. She said it was like someone else was controlling her mouth. Her doctor said she has tardive dyskinesia, which may be related to important medication she takes for her depression. Her ankles would also roll and her toes would stretch out. I noticed she was avoiding her friends and family. Td can affect different parts of the body. It may also affect people who take medications for bipolar disorder and schizophrenia. She knows she shouldnt stop or change her medication, so we were relieved to learn there are Treatment Options for td. If this sounds like you or someone you know, visit talkabouttd. Com to sign up to receive a personalized doctor discussion guide to help start a conversation with your doctor about td. Youll also be able to access videos and a free brochure that show the different movements of td. Visit talkabouttd. Com or call to learn more. We were so relieved to learn there are treatments for td. Learn more at talkabouttd. Com. Reporter january, 2005, and the new year would bring big news. Marjorie diehlarmstrong was, again, found competent to stand trial. But this time in stead of fighting the murder charges in court, she pleaded guilty in the shooting death of jim roden. Shes gone down for the death of roden, the boyfriend in the freezer. Right. She was reporter she pleaded guilty. Pleaded guilty and sentenced 7 to 20 year for that death. Reporter it was big new for trey too. With the frozen body case finally resolved, he thought the timing was right to try to make contact with marjorie. So he wrote her. With rothstein dead, i figured i had nowhere else to turn, but to her for information. And thats what i did. Reporter she becomes your pen pal. Clark went to visit marjorie in prison. Im here to talk to you about the brian wells case. She said,telling you anything about that case unless you move me closer to erie. Reporter so it is lets make a deal. It is manipulation marge. Reporter she didnt like the prison she was in, which was four hours away from erie and wanted to be moved. Reporter clark agreed to get her a transfer. You talk to me, but she said going out the door, she said you better check out a guy naked ken. Reporter did you put more weight on that . Ken barnes, a new name. He knew of barnes. As soon as we heard the name, investigators, state police definitely knew, erie police knew ken barnes was a crack dealer in town. Reporter they had been friends for many years. They were fishing buds at a local pier. You go after him. We did. There were several times we would have to sort of track ken down. And say, hey, ken, get in the car, lets chat. Reporter but thats all it was. A chat. Barnes gave him nothing. So clark did a deep dive on the guys contact with the authorities, and there it was, a video. Kenneth eugene barnes. Reporter a Police Interrogation of ken barnes has conducted by the erie Police Almost two years before, at the time they were investigating the frozen body case. Marjorie diehl, you know her how long . Almost nine years, yeah. Reporter barnes had a grand slam revelation and it concerned marjorie. He told investigators she was obsessed with her inheritance. Her wealthy mother had already died, and she was upset her dad was squandering money she felt should go to her. There was a lot more money in the state that was supposed to be willed to her when he dies, and she said that he is a recovering alcoholic and hes been given a hundred thousand dollars to donate to the church and gave it to his friends. Reporter hundreds of thousands of dollars . Yeah. She said he has given away her inheritance and she was obsessed with it. Reporter so obsessed that she asked barnes to kill her father so she could get money. He said he had no intention to bumping off her dad but acted along. Im 49 years old. Ive never killed a person in my life and i never would. I hate to kill bugs. I dont like to kill flies. I cry when people shoot deers, you know . Reporter what was his fee for the hit . I said, i guess that would cost you. She said how much . I said a quarter of a million. Reporter 250,000. Interesting, that was the same amount of money demanded on the bank robbery note. Now, finally armed with that 2yearold information, clark decided it was time to put a bigger squeeze on ken barnes. So clark and another agent picked him up and put him in the car. He got in the front seat. The special agent was driving and i was behind ken. While were driving to our office to have a chat, ken reaches in his pocket and pulls out a knife. Reporter clark had to make a split second decision, does he shoot barnes to save his partner. Ill never forget, i pulled my gun out and i put it to the back of the seat and i was very close to squeezing off a round right through the seat. Reporter instead, he got barnes to hand over the knife. He still insisted he knew nothing about the pizza bombing case. But there was someone else eager to talk to investigators. Coming up this is amazing because marjorie never talked about these things to anybody. A pizza bombing bombshell, straight from marjories mouth. Marge is like it is not like we didnt measure his neck for the collar. E we didnt measure his neck for the collar you may not see them, but your itchy eyes know theyre out there. Thousands of allergens in each cubic yard of air. No wonder you rub your eyes hundreds of times a day. But now, relief is just one drop away. Introducing pataday® full prescription strength pataday works right in your eyes. Right on the cells that make them itch. Fast. Just one drop, once a day means relief that lasts all day. So turn your day, into a pataday. Now get pataday without a prescription. Everywhere. Your happy place. Find your breaking point. Then break it. 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I met marjorie in the Erie County Prison. She was brought in september 21st of 2003. Reporter kelly makela was in the prison for assault and gun charges. But before that, she trained at a police academy. She knew cops. How they thought. What questions they asked. Marjorie thought kelly had expertise that could help her in her upcoming trial. Marge became my best friend. My mom also came to visit marge, thats how close we were. When i first met her, she was sitting there at the table all by herself. I felt very, very, very sorry for her. Like the new kid in school. Yes. Everybody stayed away from her. I offered her a cup of coffee. Little did i know how important that cup o coffee would be. Cement your friendship, huh . Yes, it did. Reporter sitting side by side, kelly kept scrupulous notes for what she said was thousands of hours of conversations with marjorie often telling the chatterbox to slow down. Marjorie thought she was talking to someone who would help her beat the rap for killing her boyfriend. But kelly would also try to use their conversations to steer her new friend to talk about a different case the pizza bombing. We talked of, you know, her past relationships, the murder of roden, of course, and then slowly into the the pizza bomber. How does that subject get introduced, kelly, the brian wells pizza case . Through rothstein. Okay. Reporter bill rothstein. Marjories one time fiance who turned her in for killing roden and hid the body in his freezer. What did she tell you about rothstein . That he built the bomb. He it was his toy. Reporter and there it was the first time anyone said what investigators suspected bill rothstein was in on the pizza bombing. And now marjorie began to describe a wider plot that seemed to involve every lost soul who had come into her orbit. And who were the players in this thing . Theres rothstein, who else . Theres ken barnes, Floyd Stockton james roden pinetti, and of course brian wells. These are just names to you, you dont know who the i have no clue. Who these players are. None. Reporter but kelly did know one of the names brian wells, the pizza delivery man whod been blown up. And kelly said marjorie told her that wells was no innocent victim but rather part of the conspiracy. That is, if you can believe a snitch. As for the others, ken barnes, of course, was the crack dealer who was marjories fishing buddy. Floyd stockton was rothsteins old friend, and was living in rothsteins house at the time of the bombing. Marjorie said jim roden, her boyfriend, was in on the plot, too but she killed him when he got cold feet and ended up, ironically, in a freezer. He was going to turn her in. And he didnt want to be the getaway driver, he didnt want any part of it, he wanted out. And thats marjorie telling you that . Yes. So, roden is dead because yes. He didnt want to be in on this thing. Without a doubt. Without a doubt. Reporter and then there was the other pizza delivery guy, robert pinetti. Pinetti, you may recall, was found dead of a Drug Overdose before the cops could question him about the bank robbery. What about pinettis death . Is that a natural overdose . No, she said that they gave him an overdose. Yeah they killed him so he wouldnt talk. Boy, the bodies pile up like firewood in this thing, kelly. Yeah, you know, somebody joked with me once that i was safe because she only killed men. Reporter and the motive for the plot . Marjorie told kelly she needed 250,000 from the bank to pay ken barnes, who would then kill her father so she could get her inheritance. Rothstein got involved, said marjorie, because he knew he was dying and wanted to go out with a bang. So, rothstein and marjorie put it together . Yes. This is amazing, because marjorie has never talked about these things to anybody. I know. And youre taking the notes . Yeah. There was one moment when i was takin the notes, and marge is, like its not like we didnt measure his neck for the for the bomb for the collar. And we did so in rothsteins kitchen. You knew exactly what she meant. Yes. Yes. Which Law Enforcement would love to have that quote, maybe the most important words, from their point of view, that you ever wrote down. Yeah. Because that connected marjorie to the case they could never make. Yeah, and putting the putting the brian wells case on her. Yes. When i realized everything she was tellin me was the honesttogods truth, i had to turn it over. I knew shed get out and kill again without a doubt. Reporter with her attorney, kelly handed the notes over to the prosecutor in the roden case. But inexplicably the explosive notes werent turned over to investigators in the pizza bombing case for two years. I put everything together and wrapped it up in a nice little bow. And the fbi, why it wasnt turned over to the fbi is beyond me. 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Reporter barnes admitted he was part of the crazy conspiracy that led to the killing of brian wells, the pizza delivery man. A fact he laid out in all its sordid detail. He relived the whole thing from the minute he was picked up that day by marjorie diehlarmstrong to every location that they went through and what his role was, what everybody elses role was and how the whole thing was to go down. Reporter barnes said Floyd Stockton was also part of the conspiracy. Stockton, remember, was rothsteins old friend who once lived in his house. When stockton found out he was ratted out, he decided to talk too, but only in exchange for immunity, a deal barnes never asked for. So independently they were saying the same things. And then the inmate witnesses that were being talked to by marjorie diehlarmstrong, their information independently corroborated. So everything started to come together. Reporter after years of frustration and struggle to solve the pizza bombing, clark was putting all the bizarre pieces of his deadly scheme together. And he finally knew where the call that set it all in motion came from, and who made it. Heres the shell station on the righthand side. August 28, 2003, 1 30, a call to the pizza shop ordering two pizzas and comes from the pay phone in the parking lot that is no longer there. Reporter and that sets everything in motion. A new witness, a u. P. S. Driver came forward to say he saw two people making the call. Ordering the pizzas and sees bill rothstein and marjorie diehlarmstrong at the pay phone. To me it doesnt get any more important than that. That solidifies any question on who made the call. Reporter brian wells left mama mias pizza and drove down the long deserted road to a clearing near the tv tower. Clark now knew that waiting for wells were all the conspirators. Marjorie, rothstein, barnes, stockton and the second pizza delivery man, robert pinetti. So here comes wells with the pizzas. Right. Reporter where is rothstein . Here, van parked, device sitting right on it. Reporter wells saw the device and started to run hes starting to move this direction. As hes trying to get away, thats when bill rothstein fires a shot in the air, the single shot. Reporter and you know there was a shot fired from his weapon. From the weapon we recovered. He got to right here and thats when mr. Barnes tackles and punches mr. Wells and says youre going to cooperate. Reporter when is the device armed . Right here . Right here. Hold the key out, started the timer. Reporter tick, tick, tick. 57 minutes to live from there. Reporter according to barnes and stocktons accounts, the conspirators followed wells as it all went down. At the bank, marjorie and barnes were in a car across the street. And they had binoculars and could look down this alley to the bank to see what was happening. Reporter and rothstein, he was recovering in his van, ready to collect the money. But the transfer never happened once wells got caught. Theyre off the script from the get go. It went totally sideways. Reporter the Scavenger Hunt turned out to be a deadly hoax. There was no key waiting for wells at the last stop, even if he got there. On the ground, handcuffed, wells stuck with the script, saying three africanamerican men put the bomb around his neck. If he said im in the jam of a lifetime, you got to help me, it might have played out differently. It would have been done that day. He could have said bill rothstein, marjorie diehlarmstrong, it is ken barnes. Reporter none of that came out . None of that came out that day. Marjorie diehl and Kenneth Barnes and other unindicted coconspirators coordinated every aspect of this bank robbery. Reporter the u. S. Attorney announced indictments against marjorie diehlarmstrong and ken barnes for Armed Bank Robbery and using a destructive device, also named two unindicted coconspirators, both dead, bill rothstein and brian wells, the pizza delivery man. The wells family was outraged, liar, they shouted from the back of the room. Barbara white is brian wells sister. So it is through his own misadventure he brings about his death because hes in on it, thats that theyre saying, huh . Thats not true. Absolutely not true. Shame on them. I do know my brother is an innocent person. Reporter gene hide, brian wells other sister. I heard them implicate my brother for no reason at all. My brother had no motive, no brother had no mind set to do that, my brother was not involved. Reporter but wells was involved with prostitutes. And investigators discovered that one of them, a woman named Jessica Hoopsick was key. Wells was more than hoopsicks john, he drove her to get groceries and took her mom to the doctor. Hoopsick also knew ken barnes and one day she heard barnes say he needed a guy to rob the bank. So hoopsick introduced him to wells. And barnes later told clark wells was with him at the planning meeting a day before the robbery. He died. Hes a victim. I feel like he is a victim. He really didnt believe it was real. Thats why hes cavalier in the bank. Thats why hes walking. Thats why he gets the lollipop. He doesnt think it is real. I feel horrible for the family. But if you look really at the evidence, and the fact that those prostitutes are in his notebook in his handwriting and that he knew them and that they introduced him to these other people, it is really undeniable, according to the evidence. There is plenty of evidence that says brian is an unwilling participant. Reporter you cite what, gene, when you say that . If youre a willing participant and supposedly you were there the day before, then there is no reason when you take a pizza order to write down directions of where youre going. Because you know where youre going. Because youve been there the day before. Reporter he did that in. Brian did that. Thats number one. And number two, he was lured into a wooded area, by criminals, and they forced this live bomb on him and shoved notes on him. Reporter said here you go. If you dont do exactly what we say, boom. Reporter ken barnes pleaded guilty to using a destructive device during a crime of violence, and to conspiracy to commit bank robbery. He was sentenced to 45 years. He agreed to be the star witness against marjorie diehlarmstrong, who pleaded not guilty. It would be one of erie, p. A. s, most sensational trials. But, with a long history of killing men, marjories conviction would hardly be a slam dunk. Bill rothstein is a filthy liar. 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As much as he could, trey pressed her for details. Necessity is the mother of invention, you know. And so, i needed information to get to the you know, get to deeper truths in this case and she clearly seemed like the last resort for me. Hello, trey ive got some interesting news for you. Reporter in dozens of recorded calls marjorie spewed out her version of the truth and relentlessly attacked ken barnes, the prosecutions star witness in her upcoming trial. Ken barnes is a pathological liar and i said this from day one and you know, i may lie a little bit to protect myself cause everybody was lying and framing me, okay . But im not a pathological liar. Reporter marjorie insisted she had nothing to do with the pizza bombing. Bombastic as ever, she told the filmmaker it was she who solved the case by pointing authorities to rothstein and barnes. Theres nothing in it for somebody like me whos not a drug addict or an alcoholic or a whore or anything else. Theres no reason in gods world to do it and i didnt do it i want to embarrass these people. Show what greed will do, but it wasnt me that was the one. Reporter as frightening and fascinating a character as she appeared to be, trey wasnt buying marjories spin. I just was overwhelmed by this dark, dark presence, this dark feeling of, oh, my god, you know, what am i doing . You know, am i am i honestly if shes at the center of this, what does this mean . There could be other people, other coconspirators out and about she could send my way if i was sniffing my nose in a direction she didnt like. And so it made me very reporter because she was dangerous. She had danger written all over . For sure. Is there anything youd like to say marjorie. Im innocent. Reporter now it would be up to a jury finally to sort it all out. And in the fall of 2010, marjorie went on trial. They say youre the mastermind of the collar bombing what do you say . Absolutely not. Reporter in his Opening Statement the prosecutor put marjorie at the center of the conspiracy to rob the bank and place a live bomb around brian wells neck. Where were you the day that brian wells was killed . Well, i certainly wasnt doing anything connected with the crime. Reporter a twisted scheme, the prosecutor called it, a group of dysfunctional, highly intelligent individuals, completely outsmarted themselves. Local reporter paul wagner covered the trial. If brian wells had followed all the instructions to the letter, he would have died. Theres no question about it. The note was a sham. It was too complicated, too, complex. Too much to do to get keys to unlock the collar bombing. It was it was a joke. He was a dead man. Reporter the case against marjorie came down to an array of compromised witnesses, a crack dealer and four jailhouse snitches. One by one, they took the stand including kelly makela, with her detailed notes, testifying that marjories own words implicated her in the plot. Testimony that sent marjorie into a tirade. At times, she acted like a cat on a hot tin roof. She was yelling, liar, and everything else. But i kept my cool. Just rolled off you, huh . Yeah, id look at her, you know, and she was havin a fit. I mean, those notes were very, very important. The star witnesses for the government was ken barnes. He was a coconspirator. He said that diehlarmstrong approached him. Wanted him to kill her father. That was the motive for the collar bombing. Reporter the mastermind of this money making scheme, barnes suggested, was marjorie, who was the key link to all the other coconspirators. He kinda put it all together. And marjorie diehlarmstrong despised him durin the trial. Reporter in the courtroom marjories impulsive behavior was on full display. A perfect, mesmerizing subject for treys documentary. When you see her, i mean, it almost looks like a cartoon character, she has the the dark, you know, raven hair and the big blue eyes and the intense, brooding look to her. Reporter and marjorie held center court. When the judge and jury were out there was no question who was in charge. I walked into the courtroom and, she looked back and said, hey, trey, what are you doin over there . Youre on the prosecution side. Get over here. And she called me out. So, i stood up and moved pews. Moved over. Reporter when the prosecution rested there was little doubt marjorie would testify. Whether her attorney wanted her to or not, she was going to tell her story. One of the Biggest Challenges in this case for me was to deal with her mental illness. Reporter doug sugrue was marjories defense attorney. Marjorie, with her personality disorders and her narcissism, she was always going to testify. You could not keep her quiet. And who did the jurors meet when marjorie showed up . When she was on the stand, i mean, it was, in essence standing room only they met somebody that, you know has such attitude. Youre on the edge of your seat because you know, youre this speaks danger, you know, wow. You know, is this is this the a reallife witch . She called barnes the devil himself. She called rothstein an idiot. Reporter marjorie had told trey that she was going to tell the jury how much she disliked her father. Not a Winning Strategy he thought. And i said, you know, marjorie, thats the governments motive in this case, is that you wanted to kill your father. And shes like, well, i just want it to be real. And i would never want to kill my father. Reporter on the stand marjorie cried, yelled and unleashed a tornado of words and insults insisting she was not involved in the scheme. She admitted she was near the tower but too far away to know what was going on. She claimed that she was there and that she had seen Floyd Stockton, that she had seen bill rothstein and ken barnes. And she had seen them go go back to the tower site and that brian wells was there. Marjorie desperately felt that the federal government was accusing her of a crime that she was not involved in. And she wouldve never have knowingly been involved in a crime that was so cruel to brian wells. Reporter but when the prosecutor went one on one with marjorie her defense crumbled. The crossexamination did not go good for her. The prosecutor is a skilled prosecutor, and he was able to show discrepancies in her testimony, and i think he won some big points with the jury. Reporter and when marjorie stepped down from the stand, the defense rested. How long was the jury out . A day and a half. Reporter long enough to raise doubt. Long enough to remember that marjorie had killed and been acquitted before. I was like, oh, my god, if shes acquitted, i think the sun and the moon are gonna reverse positions. Im like, is this possible . Reporter coming up, in a case that had twist after twist after twist, theres one more. She set him up. She fed him to the wolves. Its like right out of a horror movie. Reporter when dateline continues. Ror movie. Reporter when dateline continues. Reporter seven years after the infamous pizza bombing, the stage was set to bring this absurd but deadly scheme to a close. On november 1, 2010, the jury concluded marjorie diehlarmstrong was all sound and fury with no defense. The verdict, guilty on all counts. And marjorie being marjorie, she let her attorney have it. After the verdict came in, she turned to doug sughrue and said, you failed me miserably. And looked at the jury and said, ill be back. Were goin to appeal this. And then she was led out of the courtroom. And everyone assumed she would receive a life sentence, which she did just a few months later. Reporter for agent clark, the end of a long quest to solve this wicked scheme had finally arrived. Whos your mastermind in the pizza case . Number one, marjorie diehlarmstrong wanted her dad dead. And in order to do that, she needed money to hire ken barnes to kill him. Thats why she wanted to rob the bank. But the scheme in how they robbed the bank and the Scavenger Hunt and the notes and all the involvement in the case related to the bank robbery itself was bill rothstein. Reporter both their thumbs are on the scale. But his is pushing down a little heavier. I i really believe so. And bill rothstein really wanted to leave this earth with a perfect crime. Reporter but for many, the question of whether brian wells was a willing participant or an innocent victim in his demise wouldnt go away. The evidence clearly shows that he had some knowledge of the people, had met them the day before, had participated in at least some fashion, and knew about the event. Again, he was tricked. He was duped. And he was killed by a group of people who turned on him. But unfortunately, he did know. Reporter but to this day, the wells family insists brian was only a pizza delivery man pulled into a diabolical plot by a group of misfits. He was never in trouble with the law. The people that are involved in his murder, they have they have a history. Rothstein does, marjorie diehl, ken barnes. These people are criminals. Reporter if brian is innocent, you have a murder case. It is murder. I dont say the word killed. He didnt pass away. He was murdered. Reporter meanwhile filmmaker Trey Borzillieri kept working. He had a documentary to make. And he scored two big interviews. One was with marjorie. She spoke via skype to trey and an attorney. Still denying, as only marjorie could, that she had anything to do with the bank robbery. She said the prosecutions motive was laughable. Here i am, ive killed two boyfriends in selfdefense. But ive killed two boyfriends, right . Would i have to hire ken barnes to kill my father if i hated my father that much and wanted him dead . Or would i do it for free for myself . Come on. Be reasonable. Reporter its on my resume. Yeah. Reporter i kill men. Yeah. Reporter trey decided to call his movie, evil genius with marjorie in mind. But it was the question of brian wells role that started to consume him. Eventually, he came to the same conclusion that the wells family had since day one. I dont believe he was involved. I believe he was an innocent victim who was targeted for reasons and that was on display in the crime. Reporter wells, innocent or not . Treys other big get was with Jessica Hoopsick. The prostitute who testified that she introduced brian wells to coconspirator ken barnes. One night, she was able to to do this interview for us in the back of a van. Reporter and she becomes the punctuation point of your film. Yeah. Reporter this is the reveal. Jessica speaks and, you know what, shes gonna say that brian wells was just a pawn. When she spoke to trey, hoopsick changed her story. Wells, she claimed, couldnt be part of the plot. Because the pizza delivery man was with her the day before the robbery and not at some planning meeting with the other conspirators. Could it be . Did wells really have an alibi . I want people to know that he was innocent. And that he was a good guy. Reporter hoopsick was racked with guilt. But was she telling the truth . She admitted she wasnt with wells the entire day before the robbery. And three of the conspirators put wells at that preplanning meeting. After hearing her tell her story, i believe her. I mean, i understand that, obviously from her background. And you know, what she does that that she is the epitome of an unreliable witness. Reporter tells you the suns gonna come up in the east, get a second opinion, right . And and so but she had everything to lose. Reporter hoopsick was never charged in the pizza bombing case. But by her own admission, she set wells up with the conspirators. She fed him to the wolves. Dennis, its like right out of a horror movie. This death trap was locked around his neck. Such a horrific way to die. Reporter and wells would die again and again once treys documentary evil genius began to stream on netflix. The twisted ending creating sensational headlines around the world. But some say this entire evil fiasco could have been avoided long ago, if only the system hadnt failed during majories first murder trial. She should have been committed to a mental institution. And thats where she should have remained for the rest of her life. And because that didnt happen, you know, we can see this this deadly wake that she left. Reporter marjorie diehlarmstrong died in a texas prison in 2017 from cancer. She was 68 years old. She was an evil person. And she did very, very bad things to many men in her life. Reporter do you put the two pizza guys deaths on her . I certainly do. Reporter the boyfriend in the freezer. The boyfriend in the freezer. The first boyfriend she shot and the second boyfriend, which was her husband, that she took to the hospital. So, maybe five dead men around her. Reporter does that make her a serial killer . It does. Reporter a serial killer, who held sway over a mystifying cast of supporting characters. Who are these people that have such hatred in their heart that could do this to somebody . Nobody deserves to die this way. Reporter and maybe thats the hardest part about the whole sordid affair, trying to understand marjorie, rothstein, barnes and the rest. Fractured intellectuals, broken souls who lost their humanity on a descent into evil. This is dateline. I had got a call from alison who told me he was missing. Would anyone want to hurt him . I knew that my dad had been on match. Com. This is not going to end well. This is a crime scene. 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