russia was being super belligerent toward ukraine. they were going to annex part of ukraine and turn it into russia. so the topic of discussion that day, what should president obama do about russia behaving so badly. the guest that day was senator mccain. what is your advice about what president obama should do to russia? >> i think, first, i would try to target individuals and their bank accounts and their ability to travel. i would try that first. then obviously, i would look at other areas, you know, throw them out of the g-8. it should be the g-7. >> okay. so this is step one. throw russia out of the g-8. sanction some russians. this is step one. john mccain gives advice about what president obama should do. that's step one. step two, president obama, in fact, does that. he in fact sanctions some russians, just like john mccain said he should. and he also threw russia out of the g-8. and the g-8 does become the g-7, which is exactly what john mccain says president obama should do. so step one, john mccain says president obama should do this. step two president obama does this. here's step three. >> now it's the g-7, right? >> yeah g-7. i'm sure it's got reduced vladimir to tears that he's not going to be able to be in the g-8. take over part of a country, and you don't get to go to the next meeting in some wonderful european capital. >> see? this is the rosetta stone. this is the magic decoder ring that tells you how washington works right now. say that president obama should do something, and then pray that he doesn't actually do it because if he does actually do it, you're then going to have to come out against the thing that you have been recommending all along. ah, a terrible idea. john mccain does it all the time, on all sorts of issues but on the russia thing it was so perfect because it was so specific. throw him out of the g-8. oh, throw him out of the g-8? why did you have to go and throw him out of the g-8 for? that's not going to do anything? now you're going to need that magic decoder ring to explain the behavior on another subject. you may have seen the release of this video which purports to show and appears to show the moment at which u.s. army sergeant bowe bergdahl was handed over from his taliban captors to u.s. special forces. as you can see, he does not look well. in the video, he is able to walk although apparently with some, some difficulty take it some assistance at one point. you can see that the handover was pretty tightly choreographed. it happened pretty quickly, at least what we can see. this film was edited by and produced for the weby the taliban, to suit taliban purposes. so take it with a big theocratic grain of salt. so they have taken this video and framed it for their own purposes. so we're only seeing what they want us to see. that said the wall street journal says that another video also shot by the taliban may have been what drove the u.s. military and u.s. government to make this happen to push for sergeant bergdahl's release now and put urgency to the effort to get him out of there. the u.s.ntntelligence community produced some sort of analysis of what bowe bergdahl looked like in the videotapes that we're getting from the taliban. ha happened progressively to this american prisoner of war over the course of the consecutive videos that the taliban released of him. he was first taken captive in 2009. the first video showing him was later in 2009. they released further video the of him in 2010 and 2011. according to the wall street journal, the intelligence kmaupts analyzed those videos what he looked like his apparent health his apparent physical condition, to the extent they could tell, and they reportedly concluded that between the last video that was released of him by the taliban in 2011 and the most recent video, which the pentagon obtained but which was never released publicly this past december 2013 they determined that bowe bergdahl's condition was deteriorating rapidly. according to the wall street journal, they have described his condition as alarming. seeing him like that we had to go get him. now, again, that latest video, the one from december the one that reportedly so upset and shocked u.s. officials and caused them to change their game plan change their time frame, make new attempts to negotiate his release, that video from december 2013 has never been shown to the public. it is reportedly in the pentagon's hands. even though nobody tonight outside the pentagon has seen it, the existence of the was reported earlier this year. it was described in reporting and it was reported as the reason the government was redoubling its efforts to renegotiate a prisoner swap. so this report was back in february. >> just weeks ago, the military obtained a new video. it's raised concerns about bergdahl's health. the taliban has long demanded the release of five taliban prisoners. new discussions led by diplomats and the pentagon are under way. would you oppose the idea of some kind of negotiations or prisoner exchange? i though back in 2012 you called the idea of even negotiating with the taliban bizarre, highly questionable. >> well, at that time, the proposal was that they would release taliban, some really hard core particularly five really hard core taliban leaders as a confidence building measure. now this idea is for an exchange of prisoners for our american fighting man. i would be inclined to support such a thing, depending on a lot of the details. >> so if there was some shall the possibility of some sort of exchange that's something you would support? >> i would support, obviously, i'd have to know the details, but i would support ways of bringing him home. and if exchange was one of them i think that would be something i think we should seriously consider. >> so get out your secret decoder ring again, right, this is step one for john mccain. an exchange of prisoners for our american fighting man. i would be inclined to support that. that is step one. step two is president obama does that. the same deal that had been on the table and had been discussed with congress for months if not years. exactly what john mccain said he would be inclined to support, an exchange of prisoners for american fighting man, technically, an exchange of prisoners with the taliban for our american fighting man. so step two, president obama does exactly what john mccain said he would be inclined to support. and then what's step three? well, now, of course john mccain has to be against his own idea. >> this decision to bring sergeant bergdahl home and we applaud that he is home, is ill-founded. it is a mistake. and it is putting the lives of american service men and women at risk. and that to me is unacceptable to the american people. >> senator mccain did not think that that very same exchange of prisoners would be unacceptable to the american people when he himself suggested it in february. but once president obama actually did it and got bowe bergdahl home that way well then the senator had to complete step three of his magic decoder ring process. he had to come out against his own idea as a terrible and outray just and dangerous idea because president obama actually did it. it is amazing. and senator mccain does this on lots of issues. look for this pattern from john mccain because he does it over and over again. and right now it's not just john mckean. you can see all sorts of conservative politicians getting spun around by getting caught up by the guan so politics. this isn't some cruel joke. they really are as conservative politicians expected to be against an american pow. you can see them adjusting to the natural reaction of being happy that we got him home but now to the imperative that they're supposed to treat that as bad news. the uncomfortable adjustment that they move from the normal reaction to what is supposed to be their political reaction. unfortunately for some of them it's happening in public. that is searchable. mashable.com. lee terry put out a statement. a grateful nation welcomes the news of the return of sergeant bowe bergdahl. there is nothing more solemn than the pledge to never leave one of their own behind on the battlefield. the congressman called bowe bergdahl a national hero. but then, apparently, a melmo went out that sergeant bergdahl is supposed to be attacked and not praised. it's supposed to be a cause for scandal and not celebration. when you go to the congressman's website, that statement has been deleted. republican mark amodei tweeted, best news i've heard in a long time. #standwithbowe. one tweeted thoughts and prayers go out to sergeant bergdahl and his family. did i say that? i'm neither thinking of you nor praying for you. senator thad cochran. welcome home sergeant bowe bergdahl a grateful america thanks you for your service. and then america no longer grateful for your service. stephen lynch, same thing. great to hear that bowe bergdahl has been released from captivity. warmest regards to his family. ah but then as of this morning, delete. no more warm regards for you. warm regards hereby rescinded. congressman lynch doesn't want any one to know that he once thought it was good news that the service member was released. he's hoping that one goes down the memory hole. tonight, the u.s. special envoy for after gap stan and pakistan and other white house officials walked over to capitol hill and did a rare briefing for the full united states senate on the administration's actions to end sergeant bergdahl's captivity and get him home. that briefing was closed to the public. no cameras were allowed inside. but we were told that one of the things that senators were allowed to see that nobody had seen what we're told is that senators were able to see that proof of life video from december which the u.s. government somehow obtained from the taliban in december. and it's the one that reportedly showed such a deterioration in sergeant bergdahl's condition that it changed certain officials' minds about what it would be worth to get him out. this is one of those senior officials who previously did not want to do the taliban prisoner swap for bowe bergdahl until he saw that video. then after that video and the land was laid out, then he changed his mind. whatever's on that tape from december, it hasn't been shown publicly. it may never be shown publicly. but apparently all the senators of the united states senate got to see that. and joining us is senator murphy. thanks for being with us. appreciate your time. let he ask you about that videotape, the one that prompted the administration to speed up its efforts on this exchange. did you see it? and can you describe what you saw? >> well i can't talk about the substance of the classified briefing, but i can say this. after this briefing i'm confident that our military and the administration was right to take all the steps necessary to go in and get bergdahl out of there. his health was clearly compromised. but of course that sacred duty that representative terry referred to in his tweet exists no matter the health or condition of the soldier. when someone's taken as a prisoner of war. no matter the condition they are in we have long had an obligation to go get that prisoner and bring them home, and the chilling effect it would have on our military if we started to condition that responsibility on the condition of the soldier would be absolutely catastrophic. so i do think that part of the decision here was educated by the condition of bergdahl. but regardless of the condition, we should go to great lengths to bring people like bowe bergdahl home. >> in terms of what's been going on in washington since the announcement this weekend that bowe bergdahl had been rescued. i confess to being a little bit bewildered by the term in congress. you can see it that they started off feeling the way that i did, this is great news that he's home. and there since has been a hard political turn there. i have to ask, sitting there with your colleagues and getting this classified briefing do you feel like the people who are now so angry about sergeant bergdahl being home and this deal to get him home do they seem at all apiecea appeased appeased? do they seem calm? >> i don't think so. we are locked into an electoral environment. president obama's foreign policy has been a strength for a large part of his presidency. and much of their efforts today around bergdahl and over the last year in benghazi has been something to turn a strength into a weakness. think what would have happened if bergdahl had died in captivity, had obama not gone to great lengths to rescue a soldier who was held as a p.o.w. do you really think republicans would have laid down without absolutely eviscerating the president? when it comes to a critique of his foreign policy it as a no win. you would see the exact same level of critique. >> general mcchrystal is the former commander of the u.s. forces in afghanistan. today he gave an interview to yahoo news in which he reinforced the, you leave no soldier behind on the battlefield. he said conduct that led to the capture should be handled as a separate matter. i imagine mcchrystal's words are going going to have an impact. you described this as an electoral environment. what do you think happens next here? where do you think this is going? >> well what happens next is that the information that we've been waiting for comes out. i mean it's really stunning that people are making their own determinations on the circumstances of bergdahl's departure when we haven't gotten any of the necessary information to try to make that determination, not the least of which is hearing from bergdahl himself. but we heard reports, fairly loosely reported over the course of the last few days for instance, that there were upwards of eight or nine soldiers who had died rooklooking for bergdahl. and secretary hagel said there's no evidence right now that any soldiers died on patrols looking for bergdahl. so what is going to happen in the next few days is that slowly the truth is going to creep out. and ultimately we will hear from bergdahl himself. i don't know the exact circumstances of his departure. and everybody needs to chill out and stop rendering opinions on this issue until we get the facts and hear from this guy from his own mouth. >> senator chris murphy. thank you for being with us. i appreciate it. >> we've got a lot ahead on the show. we've got a busy show tonight. we've got a story out of michigan that you will not see anywhere else. and we have some important news about the hype to control the u.s. senate this year. and that is all ahead. stay with us. okay. this is not about sergeant bowe bergdahl. it is about other americans being held in afghanistan against their will apparently by the taliban. as the i can't believe it's not satire gonzo politics unfolds around the bowe bergdahl case what you would think would be the joyful occasion of the return of this p.o.w. the reaction gets yet more shrill with each passing day. the associated press has this remarkable report on the other american captives that the taliban still hold. this is kaitlyn coleman. she's from pennsylvania. she's apparently been in taliban custody for one year seven months and 27 days. she is american. she's married to joshua boyle who is canadian. and when kaitlyn and joshua were abducted in afghanistan in october 2012, kaitlyn was reportedly six months pregnant. she was due to give birth last january. the families of kaitlyn and boyle have decided to go public with the evidence that they were sent twice over the course of the last year showing proof of life of kaitlyn and josh and apparently their child who kaitlyn refers to in the proof of life tape. >> i am prisoner of the taliban. >> joshua boyle. from canada. >> the couple was reportedly planning to be home by december because their child was due to be born last january. if the child was born when that birth was expected then the child would have been born in taliban custody and would now be about a year and a half old. the family decided to make these videos public in light of the publicity of the release of bowe bergdahl. they are disappointed that their children and grandchild were not freed as part of the same plan that freed bergdahl. >> katie will know how to reach us. please work with her to contact us. we will do everything we can to get them back. katie, your mom and i love you very much. we're looking for you and anxiously await your safe return home. >> katie, you know i love you. >> again, this american and canadian couple and their baby have been held by the taliban, apparently afghanistan, for more than a year and a half now. any efforts to free them have so far been very quiet. but the families have been discarding any vice they've been given to let this happen quietly, and they are now releasing these proof of life videos they say they have gotten from the taliban and are asking for help. so far the state department is not saying anything to the ap or to us either. whether or not the family's strategy will pay off in making this a public story rather than a private one. you can imagine the anxiety that the publicity may hurt their prospects of getting their children home safe. so far, it has been more than a year and a half and the birth of a grandchild with nothing working at all. we'll let you know more as we learn more. we'll be right back. there's one story that we did on this show to which we received more response from you, our viewers, than anything else we have ever done in more than five years on the air. we have a long-awaited update on that story tonight at the very end of the show, and i want you to stay with us for that. thanks. 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in november is going to be a big purple state fight between incumbent senate democrat john walsh and stevedeans even ahead of congressman danes locking up the nomination senator walsh's campaign was already running against congressman danes, one of the hardest-hitting ads on any issue this whole year. look at this ad out of montana. >> i'm john walsh, and i approve this message. >> i was raped when i was 14 years old. i know the pain it caused me. that's why it's so insulting that congressman dainess sponsored a bill to outlaw an abortion when being raped. other women will be left with no options at all. >> the consensus would have you believe that abortion politics are over that that's so 2012. but what made 2012 such a potent fight over this issue, this is widespread again among this year's class of republican candidates. so it's going to be like this again this year. we know that in montana where john walsh has already started his campaign to hold onto his senate seat. and, it's likely we're also going to see the same thing at play for the race for senate in iowa. turns out the republican candidate in iowa this is tom harkin's old seat. he's retiring. the candidate is going to be the one who got a lot of publicity for her ad about cass administration. >> i grew up castrating hogs on an iowa form. i'll know how to cut pork. >> her squealing ad helped propel her to the republican nomination. she won by enough that she doesn't have to go through any more rounds of voting. she will be facing off against bruce braley. he is already out with his ad. if you've only heard one thing about joanne earn st. >> in the state senate earnst never sponsored a bill to cut pork. in fact the iowa republicans says she backed measures to actually increase spending. >> so it's going to be peeping chicks versus squealing pigs. and i cannot say i'm not in favor of us pushing this barnyard thing as far as it will go for that seat. that said, like in montana, this iowa candidate has a very hard core abortion record including sponsoring a person hood constitutional amendment, which would make all abortion in every case and ban popular forms of birth control. so the beltway won't see it coming, but expect radical anti-abortion politics and anti-birth control politics and, again, specifically the issue of rape to play a role in this year's iowa race. that said iowa democrats are going to have a lot to work with if they can succeed in making that iowa race about jone earnst. she has also said she would privatize social security. she'd abolish the minimum wage. and she says she doesn't believe in the clean water act or the farm bill. the farm bill in iowa. she also says she has secret information that saddam hussein really did have weapons of mass destruction before the iraq invasion. she heard that. particularly thisin iowa there's room to run there. now democrats will set about to make them famous just like todd akin became famous in 2012. m and i in 2012 were missouri and indiana. democrats this year will try to make m and i montana and iowa. the republican senate candidacy is now officially a runoff between incumbent republican senator thad cochran and chris mcdaniel after neither was able to clear the 50% threshold and secure the nomination. three things about how this is going to go in the mississippi thing. turnout was terrible. something like 300,000 votes were cast total, in the senate race last night, which is like less than half the population of one house district let alone the statewide population that can vote for a senator. the turnout was terrible. if you think turnoutprimary, it's only going to drop when it comes for a runoff in late june. the turnout is bad news for thad cochran. one of the anti-tea party groups that haeped him against chris mcdaniel is karl rove's american crossroads group. they are abandoning thad cochran now when he most needs them. the third thing to know here is that democrats are psyched or psyched for mississippi about the prospect of not running against thad cochran who would surely be reelected in the general election. they're psyched to have the prospect of running against this tea party guy instead. today politico reported that private polling has shown that the travis childers would start a gem election statistically tied. thad cochran, that race would be difficult for democrats to the point of futility. so, this this hypercompetitive year nationwide, when both parties are running full tilt to try to control the senate mississippi is one of the states where democrats could pick up the senate seats this year. when it goes to a runoff on the republican side here it makes it shocking to imagine that senator cochran might win. and if senator cochran is out, all of a sudden travis childers is not just a hypothetical possibility. this is why you should never give up on electoral politics. this is fun. you think you know what's happening, then all of a sudden we're trying to ban the 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[cheers and applause] >> that's tea party challenger chris mcdaniel addressing his supporters last night in mississippi. he's going to be in a runoff election against thad cochran on june 24. joining us now is casey hunt. she's just back from jackson, mississippi. boy, your arms must be tired. you've just flown in. i know we talked from cochran headquarters, and you said ebb was on all ten toes. they must be all worried about the runoff. >> this was the last thing that anyone was expecting. no one was prepared for this. they've been running this cochran wasn't ready for this. he announced late. the barbour family rose up around him, kind of protected him through this. and now they're going to have three weeks of attempting to continue to do that. and i think it's going to be much much harder for them to pull that off because the scrutiny is going to be much much more intense. and the campaigning has gotten so negative. that's going to depress turnout probably in a runoff which probably does not bode well. >> when i look at the turnout factor in any election i expect it to benefit the right wing candidate. do they expect that they're going to have a real challenge with turnout is this? >> i think they do have a challenge turning out the people who do need to turn out. it's not necessarily that the turnout was lower than they needed it to be. it's more that they didn't do as well in the places that they needed to do well. the counties that should have been strong for cochran weren't. >> what about this decision that the karl rove crossroads group, anti-tea party republican group, that they say we're into the going to keep supporting you. we're moving on. feels to me that they are cutting him loose because they expect him not to beat mcdaniel. >> they're not an incumbent retention committee. they're not responsible for electing incumbents. if they go up with negative ads, they're going to knock down someone who could very well be their nominee. the goal overall is to have the republicans keep republicans take control of the senate. you know, it sounds to me, i'm hearing the democrats will go all in for him and national republicans wouldn't blame them for going all in. >> fascinating. mississippi. amazing. thank you for your time tonight. coming up next an update on a story that has been very near and dear to our hearts on this show like few other stories ever. stick around for that. but first, one more thing about that mississippi state senate race. look at this from the clarion ledger. tea party official locked inside courthouse. at about 2:00 in the morning last night with that tea party versus republican party race not decided, the head of the republican party in heinz county got a -- hinds county. she was locked inside the courthouse and couldn't get out. all the election materials had been turned in. they locked up at about 11:30, but the tea party official showed up about 2:00. went through a door that was inexplik when i propped open and she couldn't get out, on election night, where the ballots were. so she called the republican guy. so in this knock-down-drag-out fight, the tea party calls the republicans for help. and there have already been four arrests so far. a sheriff's report has been filed. weigh weigh we will let you know more as we learn more. 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[ bleep ]. >> you almost could not hear the girls' voices as they chanted over the police sirens as they were being handcuffed and arrested for refusing to leave their school. but you could see what happened to them and you could see what this school meant to them. and kathryn ferguson academy was spared that year. they kept it open. but this system of bypassing the process of elected officials. that business in michigan rolled on. voters repealed the existing emergency manger law. they put in a new one right away that voters couldn't as easily repeal. even though it's really not at all clear whether this sort of thing works or helps these towns when you bypass democracy and instead install a little dictator to act alone without oversight. and the town of muss keegan heights, it was announced that they were off to the healing process. hooray. then he laid off the entire staff of the school district and hired a for-profit company. and now that company is quitting the job, because turns out, at the couldn't make a profit of the that leaves the town looking for a new way to run the schools. one idea came from a group of citizens that maybe they should try something called public education. another, benton harbor. they've got a per capita income of $9,000. the town was forced to accept a loan from the state. the elected commission voted against the loan. but no elected officials, it doesn't mean anything. the city was forced to accept the loan anyway and the financial emergency was pronounced over. have fun paying that new loan off. i'm out of here. these towns are not unique in the nation except perhaps for the scale and the degree. the other day the census reported that detroit has lost another 10,000 residents since 2012. a new federal report recommends that detroit tear down 40,000 buildings just as a starting point. at kathryn ferguson academy, after they saved the school they struggled through a few years. the school's new principal, the school's presenceincipal said that being pregnant didn't mean you were a bad person. last year, a group of students sued the school over the way classes were being taught. funding dropped. enrollment dropped. the school was emptying out, and so was catherine ferguson. this time is's really closing. the board in charge of the school voted to end their contract with the school district. they say there are not enough students to keep it going. they will start a new school serve the mothers of detroit who have served academy with their babies and goats all in one place and with the expectation that they will all go to college. the last day of catherine ferguson is june 30. this has been a very long fight for them. mab they did not or could not keep fighting. i doesn't know. just like i don't know ma is best for detroit or what is possible there. but we do know the story of those young moms and the way they fought for themselves. it left a mark on us as a show. and you have told us that the story left a mark on you. in the entire time we've been on the air, we have heard more from you, our viewers on this story than any other story. amazing story, amazing detroit, as always. good thursday morning, right now on "first look," jet down. a u.s. military carrier crashes into a residential neighborhood in southern california. celebrations canceled as senators finally get more information about the prisoners walk. the hometown welcome wagon as taken a big turn. ambushed a bike rider is confronted by armed men robbing him, all caught on the only thing they didn't steal. an overtime nail biter, game one of the stanley cup finals. the passing of a baseball legend. even big guys need their teeth brushed. thantion for joining