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Tonight with some Breaking News out of texas, it has been almost 48 hours, in the man hunt for francisco are a case is still ongoing, our apace a has been accused of killing five of his neighbors, including a child, in a short time ago authorities offered an 80,000 Dollar Reward for information leading to his capture. Nbcs Priscilla Thompson has the latest there is now an 80,000 Dollar Reward being offered for anyone who can come forward with information about where this suspect might be, investigators say they have no leads right now, and they are looking for tips, they say they believe it is possible that the suspect has reached out to friends and try to contact people, so they are urging anyone, with any information to come forward. We heard the sheriff earlier today getting a motion as he described what the impact that this has had on him talking about the eight year old boy who was murdered, and saying that he will not rest until this suspect is brought to justice. We know that there are more than 250 officers on the ground in this area searching for that suspect, going door to door speaking to neighbors, searching homes and vehicles to try to get any potential leads that could lead to a break in this case this is a Multi Agency Man Hunt for this is considered, armed and dangerous. And weve had an opportunity to speak to people in the community here today about this, many of them saying that they hope that they catch him, and are concerned about all this, weve looked at some neighbors who are in shock saying they did not expect anything like this whatever happened here, and they are grappling with all of this as the suspect remains at large, and of course we know that all of this began when a neighbor went over and asked a suspect to stop shootings ar15 in the front yard. Shortly thereafter, police say the suspect went into that neighbors home, and began Firing Killing five people including that eight year old boy. And certainly so much pain and tragedy being felt here, there is a vigil held vigil to honor his life as students repaired to return to School Tomorrow and we do know there will be counselors on hand, and extra security at the schools back to you. Nbcs Priscilla Thompson thanks for that report, and now turning to a disturbing trend across america republican officials taking extreme measures to get what they want and by extreme we dont just mean controversial, we mean straightup authoritarianism. As brian class puts it some red states have become laboratories of authoritarianism, experimenting with the autocratic playbook in ways that could fill up to the federal government. Lets zoom in on the conservative chaos that were seeing a handful of states, just take florida for example, youve got governor ron desantis. He fired a democratic prosecutor who vowed not to prosecute those who seek or provide abortions. In neighboring georgia, State Republicans passed the that would remove electric prosecutors who they dont believe are doing enough to fight crime. In tennessee, we all witnessed republicans botched expulsion of two black democrats from the State Legislator for protesting alongside their constituents, many in stricter gun laws. These officials all representatives of the people who voted them into power, and republicans are doing everything they can to try and silence them. Both have since been reinstated in georgia in north dakota governor doug bergman signed into law the strictest abortion bans, making abortions illegal in most it since his unless it was caused by rape or incest in the first six weeks of pregnancy. That is earlier than most women even realize that they are pregnant. And here is the authoritarian twist, republicans passed that abortion ban one month after north Dakota Supreme Court blocked a different abortion ban in the state. In effect, north dakota republicans are trying to go around the Digicel System to get what they want. And this creeping, rightwing authoritarianism has now taken over montana. Republicans in that state have silenced state representative zoe zephyr, the states First Transit or lawmaker, after she told her colleagues that they have blood on their hands for supporting a bill that would ban gender affirming care. The gop majority voted to bar representatives of her from the house floor for the remainder of the legislative session, and then passed the bill she was fighting to stop. The governor of montana has cited into law. The right silence someone who represents a community that had been repeatedly under attack, and has been marginalized by republicans, someone who was attempting to defend and give a voice to the voiceless, precisely what you want from representatives. In states across the country republicans are silencing anyone who descends from their views, even if they are duly elected officials by other americans. Some are even trying to go around the courts and, that is not supposed to happen in our democracy. And sadly, it seems that republicans, they dont care if they abide by the rules of the democracy or not, so long as they get their way. Joining me now as Montana State representative, zoe zephyr. Representative zephyr, it is great to have you with us, its great for making time for us tonight. I want to start by asking you personally how you are doing are you taking all of this is, weve seen you continue to be hard at work, despite all of these measures that weve seen, just tell us what you are going through and how you are dealing with it all . You know, when you make a decision like i did, when you stand up for what is right, when you stand up for the first principles, it is easy to keep your head held high. And so i left the building after the censure with the head held high, i came in the next day ready to work on behalf of the people who elected me, so im feeling good, and i feel in this moment that despite the cruelty of the legislature despite, the undemocratic, or antidemocratic decisions that were made a feel a glimpse at what our state would be when people stand up and fight for our first values. When you said that lawmakers s would have blood on their hands for supporting gender forming caravans, you are not exaggerating. Numerous studies have shown how delaying this carrie kelly to increase risk of suicidal thoughts, you have talked about your personal conversations with families of trans teens who are struggling. What do you think its going to take for republicans to understand the dire damage they are inflicting on trans people . So, we know the statistics, we can tell the stories, i think there are two things that will shift the narrative. One is we see a growing frustration that people have with these policies, and those are in direct correlation with the number of people who know a trans person, we know when you know someones trans, when you see the joy that trans people have and you can come fully into ourselves, it makes that hate harder. It makes it harder to pass these kinds of laws, so that is step one. And step to, whatever think tanks are trying to pass these antitrans laws, they will see the results in their elections, because americans do not want to attack marginalized communities, that is no we should be doing. And you see, correct me if im wrong, you see a through line through all of these . You talked about how the expulsions in tennessee, your ban in montana, other attempts to censure marginalized lawmakers, they are all one and the same effort expand on that . Yeah, so we have seen tennessee, we have seen here, and i know in montana what has happened to me, when the Center Process was happening here, the members of the Native American caucus, the American Indian caucus in montana stood up. One of the first people to stand up for me and say, this through line, trans people or target right now in this moment in our state, but that through line has a long history through america and its politics. And to me what youre seeing is when marginalized communities, stand up and hold people accountable to the real harm that legislation does, it is not enough for the right to have the votes to pass it, they want silence. They dont want to be held accountable, they want to use whatever tools that are at their disposal to mandate that silence. You have said that you are first inspired to run for office because of a string of anti lgbtq legislations, so youre Holding Elected Office was a way to fight back on that front. How do you recalibrate that faye with this latest challenge . So, one, you always have to have hope that that change can happen. And you know that you are moving 150 different needles that legislature, just like every trans person, every ally who has a conversation around the importance, the impact of these bills, moves the needle with the people that they talk to. And so to me, its not so much of a recalibration, as it is a fortification of the hope, and the fire that was in the initially when a truck decided to run. You had House Judiciary Committee clerk jamie vance all convert quit her job on friday to join your staff, you also said courage is contagious, and you just talked about that a little bit. Despite the setbacks that you face and the constant struggled your community has faced over the years, do you still see hope in the fight moving forward . Absolutely. I see the hope, and i see it starting in our communities and taking root. There i went back to my community on friday after the legislative selection ended, and watched walks return to a rally, a prided termination rally. And it was beautiful to see what happens when Community Comes together, and you began to see the way in which we are in a moment where change is possible, and change will happen, if we had the Community Level dedicated sosa doing that work. Montana state representatives always, effort thank you so much for joining us tonight, greatly appreciate your time, and your insights. Thank you for having me. My pleasure. Coming up, washington governor jay inslee, how his state is setting the example for fighting the farright conservative agenda . Nservative agenda . Sensitivity, helps restore gum health, and rehardens enamel. Im a big advocate of recommending things that i know work. This is frank. He runs a sustainable camping supply business. Hes smiling because fedex is growing its fleet of electric vehicles. And these, are the camper scouts. 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Chainsaw Revs tree crashes chainsaw continues daughter screams lets pretend for a second that you didnt let down your entire family. What would that reality look like . Well i guess i wouldve gotten us xfinity. And wed have a better view. Do you need mulch . What, we have a ton of mulch. Blue states are fighting to protect your rights and nowhere is that more evident than in Washington State,. Governor jay inslee just this week signed a series of gun reforms into law. Gun reforms into law, excuse, me one that made washington the ar15s and dozens of other semiautomatic rifles. On the same day, republicans and iowa passed a sweeping antitrans bathroom law. Governor inslee was signing legislation to protect at a State Patients seeking gender affirming care and abortion care from being prosecuted. The Governor Also Announced his state was taking the unprecedented step of stockpiling a threeyear supply of the medication Abortion Pill metropolis dont. Calling it, quote, assurance policy as the future of the drug hangs in the balance. Joining me now is washington governor jay inslee. Governor inslee, its great to see you. Thank you for coming back on the show. Its obviously been busy. Elects talk about that. On a broad sense, talk about the work you and a legislator have been doing to shore up and protect the rights of your constituents. Broadly speaking, what do you see happening across the country compelling you to take measures . Listening to your depiction, what i can say, our state has been fighting aggressively. Creatively, most importantly, it successfully against this rightwing agenda. Its going across the country. Its interesting, listening to your depiction, i had kind of an insight. The three things you mentioned to protect the ribbons right of choice, common sense, gun safety legislation, stockpile at the press down, those things, they have something in common, they represent the vast majority of what americans think. Actually, red and blue states. What we are doing is standing up for democracy. Frankly, legislators are not protecting the right of choice the people voted to protect the right of choice the upper to keep weapons of war out of our schools, the vast majority of americans believe that is a common sense measure. So, what i would say, the things that we are fighting for in this regard or not just democratic principles. Theyre ones that the vast majority of americans believe. Im glad to be one of the governors and blue states who are moving to protect these rights. I am really proud of what our state has done. When you talk about the fact that the majority of american support these measures are wanting to ban Assault Rifles in our schools or classrooms, does that mean the through line between all of these means theres a broader attack on the democratic will of the people of this country . When you have states around the courts, when you have people refusing to ban Assault Rifles from classrooms, does that mean our democracy is under attack . Very much so. Democracy is under attack right now. Obviously, january six, the insurgency took place. There are broader and more persistent attacks on democracy. Packing the courts as trump did. The terrible gerrymandering thats going on. It denies people the legitimate right to choose their representatives. North carolina Supreme Court made an issue that basically will allow the republicans to gerrymander that beautiful state beyond recognition. The filibuster has prevented the majority will from moving for the u. S. Senate. The attack on Voting Rights by the Republican Party, its tried everywhere they can to suppress the number of people who actually vote, we protect that. We think voting by everyone, democrats, republicans, we should inspire. Republicans are afraid of the majority will. Thats why they believe and gerrymandering. Making it as difficult as possible to vote. And now the assault coming from the u. S. Supreme court on our rights of choice for obvious, i do think this is a matter of policies involved in safety. The policies involved in a womans right of choice. Its democracy itself that we ought to be fighting for right now. We are doing that big time. You were the first blue state to secure a stockpile of matt pierce stone, massachusetts has since followed suit in new york as well. Talk about the importance of protecting that access for your constituents, and what you did it. Well, i think we have to realize that the womens right to choice is going to be under attack now for years to come, by the Republican Party. And we have to be very forward thinking in creative. So what i did is department of corrections, there are a licensed pharmacy, to stockpile several years of mifepristone before the Texas Court Decision came down. And that is important, because now that we have the product in our state, no matter what happens at the Supreme Court level, and this is surprising to some people, even without fda approval, our state is eligible to distribute this very safe and very effective product for the last two decades, we will be able to distribute this even if the Supreme Court plays games with the fda approval. We will also cast a shield law that prevents other states like texas in idaho trying to come into our state and use our judicial system to wrongfully and in an unconstitutional manner, try to enforce their bans on a woman right of choice. So i think this is a first of many things we need to be on the balls of our feet. This will be a long struggle. And im glad that we, other states have joined Washington State let me get your reaction, sir, to something that the are on fox this morning, asked about the issue of abortion access. She replied saying in part, quote, the guidance we are going to give our candidates is, you have to address this head on. Would you like republicans to attack republicans in campaigns had on . Well, i would actually, this may seem a little strange, but i would like them to be honest. If they are honest, they will say to do anything humanly possible to discriminate as a politician, to order a American Woman to carry a pregnancy to term. That is, if theyre honest, theyre going to get voted out of office bigtime, as they were in the last midterms. It was supposed to be a big red wave. Americans want to protect their womans right to choice. Actually think a lot of people will ignore that council, they will try to run and hide and obfuscate, they will try to create fog. We know they are coming for womens right to choose. This is going to be a voting issue. And i think we are in the right side, both of americans democracy and the women in this case. Let me get your thoughts on my interview that i just had with the representative zoe zephyr, who is barred from the state House Chamber by republicans for the rest of the legislative session. What do you make of the increasingly authoritarian tactics of State Republicans . We also saw similar tactics in tennessee. Well, i think that it is piece of the antidemocracy system that unfortunately, that party is now embracing. It runs through the Insurgency Engineer a sixth. Voter suppression, gerrymandering and now this actually to try to silence people who have a position in legislature. But first thing i can say about it is that it is not working, it is not working for them. People are believing voices need to be heard in our democracy. It is highlighted, actually, the causes that this legislature has stood for for injustice. And civility. In allowing people to speak. Look, i understand that the need to have the a lot better ways to handle this than they are doing. Theyre actually trying to suppress arguments in their chambers. It is an antidemocratic, antidemocracy measure. But it is just part of what they have done. And it is sad. Actually believe we need two great parties. We need honest debate. We have to let people vote. We have to let people speak. And when those they things are attacked, as they are by the Republican Party across the country, we have to be aggressive. Let me speak to you, sir, if i can, about party politics. As you are very well aware, President Biden has announced his reelection for 2024. And i want to get your thoughts on politics here for a moment. Do you think he is, i mean, he is framed a conversation as a battle for the soul of america, kind of like what you have done right now. Do you think he is the right man for this fight for the next four years . You bet. I am 100 percent for him. I see him do amazing things. You may know that i have been very passionate to try to fight Climate Change for the last several decades. What he was able to achieve was truly stunning. In the Inflation Reduction Act to create 30 Billion Dollars of investment to get access to clean energy, and most importantly, to grow millions of jobs. In our state, even with our this is a stunning achievement that is coming just the right moment. We need someone who follows the science, who is willing to create jobs, he knows how to do that. I love his thing, let him finish the job. And will for. That so i will be 1000 percent, stands for job and we like that attitude. Washington governor jay, always a pleasure, sir. Thank you for coming on. What to expect in the second week of the e. Jean carroll trial, but first, Richard Louis with the headlines. Hey richard. Hey. Very good evening to you. Ongoing is in texas for the man accused of killing five neighbors, including a child. 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Jean carroll, who is expected to take the stand tomorrow in her civil trial against donald trump. Last week, you may recall carroll delivered a testimony about her experience with the ex president. Who she says sexually assaulted her in a Department Store back in the 1990s. On thursday, carroll was crossexamined by trump lawyer joe tacopina, reprimanded by the judge multiple times for being, quote, argumentative and repetitive. Over the next few, weeks more witnesses are expected to appear including two Friends Carroll says she confided and not long after the alleged rape. The jurors will also hear testimony from two other women who have accused trump of Sexual Assault. The ex president who has denied the allegations and the allegations of all of his accusers has not said whether he will testify and his own defense. Lets bring in my panel for this conversation. Pennsylvania state representative malcolm kenyatta, appointed chairman of the president ial Advisory Commission on advancing education, and Economic Opportunities for black americans. David rohde, msnbc contributor and Executive Editor of new yorker. Com. Jill wynne, acts and messy legal analyst, former assistant watergate prosecutor, cohost of the sisters in law podcast. Great to have all three of you with us. As i mentioned, carrolls expected to continue her testimony tomorrow. Last week was very powerful. Very emotional. Legal experts told a salon, what she shared in that testimony was the emotional equivalent of a, quote, home run. Do you agree with that assessment . Is it more complicated . Its always more complicated, we dont know exactly what the jury is feeling. I can tell you that i felt like i had moved back into the 50s, maybe the 70s. But her crossexamination. Her testimony was compelling. It was powerful, it was a very credible. She also has coming up im sure expert witnesses who will do much of what tacopinas trying to do, you didnt scream, many rape victims dont scream. Many dont report it. We talked to two friends, one said dont report it, he will destroy. You another said you should. She took the course of not reporting it. Its a very believable. I served on a Pentagon Committee looking at Sexual Assault in the military. I can tell you from the witnesses there, the pressure from their peers and their higher ups means that most rapes do not get reported. So, i think shes done a great job. The crossexamination was ineffective. The witnesses coming up are going to be very powerful, including the access Hollywood Report that says this is what i do. Trump saying i grab you know what. And then shes going to have herself and two other witnesses who say, thats exactly what he did to me. Very powerful. David, were expected to hear from two other women who claim trump assaulted them. We should note over 20 women have accused the ex president of Sexual Misconduct over the years. He has denied all the accusations. How do you think these women sharing their stories and coat under oath may impact trumps political future if at all . I think it continues to tar him. There are so many of these patterns of allegations. Whats important, the verdict here. If these jurors find these women describing a similar pattern of behavior, a similar assault, it helps carroll. Its key also as was mentioned there are two friends that she spoke to at the time. Thats Cooperation Dating back to when this all happened. It helps her a great deal. She has its a civil case, its a different case. All of these things will help her. These two women, these two friends that she talked about in the past, the table helper as well. State representative kenyatta, lets switch gears to trumps other legal troubles for a moment. We learned Fulton County district fani willis plans to announce the summer whether she will bring charges against the ex president or his allies for their attempts to overturn the president ial election in georgia in 2020. In a letter, willis told local Law Enforcement officials, i am providing this letter to bring to your attention, the need for heightened security and preparedness in coming months due to this pending announcement. As a lawmaker from pennsylvania, you are familiar with trumps election interference. Should he be bracing for another indictment . Listen, how many more indictments, trials, you know can one person have. This is a sickening display that the Republican Party seems to be galvanizing around a man who has made it very clear he does not believe the law applies to him. What i will say, well see it in the georgia case. I think at the core of whats so dangerous about what hes continued to do with his outright lies about the last election, its really about blowing up the bonds of community. I say to people all the time, you got into this lie. Do you really think be a little old lady who wakes up at 5 00 in the morning to set up the table in the gym or in the firehouse, shes a part of a grand conspiracy to subvert democracy. No, in fact these are people who are love our country and democracy. They want to play a role in it. Hes made that very difficult for elections workers. Hes made it very difficult for the dea in new york. For the dea in georgia to do their jobs. To uphold the law. He doesnt believe the law applies to him. So, what were going to have to do, what we did in the last election. And we will have to be him. I hope these charges arent as serious as they seem to. B i hope they in a court of law, hes held accountable to the laws like every other american. We also have a tandem process. And that process means beating him, as President Biden would say like a drum. I think hes going to get beat again. It says a lot that too many of the leaders of the Republican Party are so weak, so feckless, so full of cowardice they wont say what we all know. He should not be a candidate for anything. He should be sitting in the courtroom in new york. Every other courtroom that hes going to be compelled to go to. There may be a lot of them. Jill, the topic of the 2020 election, Ex Fox Producer Abby Grossman says Law Enforcement agencies including the Special Counsel have reached out to his client regarding her Audio Recordings of trump allies and fox hosts discussing the 2020 election. What role do you think that evidence could play in this case . Is it surprising, is it concerning for trump that jack smith is asking for that . The mounting evidence against donald trump that is credible should be concerning to him and to everyone who cares about democracy. The evidence from Abbey Grossberg every grossman seems more evidence that he knew and that all the people who were telling the big lie there was no fraud. People who are espousing this nonsense could not support. They knew it wasnt true. Fox knew it wasnt true. So did the people speaking. And every piece of evidence that weighs in on this helps in all the cases that are pending. Including the smartmatic case, as well as every other situation. The jacks mitt investigations. All of that will be held by this. As will the georgia case. I expect it will be brought earlier in the timeframe that Bonnie Willis has laid out because of the unique requirements in georgia about how you have to go to have a speedy trial. She would want to do it early in the time of the grand jury, rather than later. Probably july. Panel, please stick around, theres a lot more to discuss. Were going to turn our attention to another major trial. This one involving the former leader of the proud boys. 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Verizon a small group of proud boys helped lead a pro trump mob us they stormed the capitol on january 6th. Two years later, as we near the end of the Justice Departments case of seditious conspiracies, the former leader of the farright group, enrique tarrio, faces up to 20 years in prison, is shifting responsibility for the insurrection entirely onto one man. And that is donald trump. His lawyers told jurors, quote, it was Donald Trumps words, it was his motivation, it was his anger that caused what occurred on january 6th in your amazing and beautiful city. It is part of the Defense Attorneys plan to frame the proud boys as less of an Extremist Group and more of a unorganized Drinking Club that was spontaneously sprung to action by donald trump. Prosecutors say the group was ready for all at war, and are answering a call made by trump months earlier during the first president ial debate on september 2020. Give me a name, could mean name. Who would you like me to condemn . Proud boys. Stand back and stand by. All right, lets bring back my panel to break this all down. Jill, we have got prosecutor saying the proud boys consider themselves quote, Donald Trumps army. And ready to commit violence on his behalf. You have Defense Attorneys saying they were Drinking Group that acted spontaneously based on Donald Trumps comments that day. Which argument do you think will resonate more with jurors . I think the prosecutors are going to win this argument. I dont think anybody thinks this was a group of rowdy drinking buddies, that they were planning and plotting, they had their methods in place, and yes, they were definitely inspired by the anger and the lies of donald trump. And i think many of us have believed trump the moment of his speech on january 6th, without even knowing what we know now, about all the planning that went into before january 6th, all of the other ways of taking down the election results. We knew from his words then that he had inspired this horrible, terrible tragedy at the capitol. So i think that the jury will see that to. David, trump is already facing several legal challenges. How much baggage do you think, even though he technically isnt on trial here, how much baggage, how much do you think this adds to his baggage leading into 2024 . I believe there has been nearly 1000 people who have been prosecuted for what happened on january 6th. And obviously one person has not, and that is donald trump. So i think with juries, there is a general sense of, why not donald trump . You know, if all these other people were sort of, doing what he urged them to do, why isnt he being held accountable . And i agree that this, the prosecutors have a strong case. There was just recently the conviction of the oath keepers, Stewart Rhodes, another farright group, Stewart Rhodes said the oath keepers didnt actually go into the capitol. He was still convicted of Seditious Conspiracy. Enrique tarrio, the head of the proud boys, didnt go into the capitol either, but again, i think you faces a good chance of being convicted by jurors. And so, i think that it shows, i think the success of this Justice Department strategy, of just conviction after conviction, trial after trial, accountability. There was concerns about violence in new york when trump was arraigned here. Not many people showed up. And again, i think that shows that there is a message here. If you are going to protest on behalf of donald trump and be violent, you personally wont be held accountable. And i think that is deterring people. And i also think it increases the public consensus that it is not fair trump is not being held accountable. Representative there is an irony here. In this trial you have both the defense and the prosecution, to some extent, saying that donald trump was in fact responsible, perhaps to different degrees and different motivations. And to davids point, you have thousands of people almost, basically saying we did this because trump told us to do this, and yet donald trump continues to be a fear man on this allegation. You know what, they were drinking something. They were drinking his lies. They were soaking in his bigotry. Andy, you know what, it is not just donald trump whose and career and vitriol is inspiring these armed groups. We just saw a couple of days ago, where not seize showed up outside of a drag story time to raise money for an lgbtq nonprofit. We are seeing more of this anger really metastasize and lead to real world consequences for people. And. Frankly, even the expulsion of legislators all across the country, that is a part of this ecosystem that is incredibly dangerous. And i know you interviewed solely, i also want to mountain out, were who i believe was stripped of all our committees as well for speaking out. And so they are feeding, even to this day, a powder keg which is filled with hatred and bigotry and nonsense. I want to say something. You saw this on fox news poll. Some of these issues that the proud boys in the republicans are parroting and pushing, most americans are not where they are. This bigotry, this hatred as dangerous as it is, as impactful as it is, particularly for marginalized communities, it is a really boring, like, give me a break. This idea that everybody is victimizing donald trump, who flies around on a plane, putin a golden toilet, all of this other stuff. It is garbage. It is vile. It is nonsense. What it is is dangerous. And i think we will see more of this. And it is not just inspired by donald trump. It is also inspired by elected officials at the state and local level, who continue to foment this jill, just hours before the jurors began deliberating, former proud boys leader in rico theriot when after the dojs, saying prosecutors were unfairly using quote, locker room talk, against the january six defendants. Is that really why strategy here, when you are facing Seditious Conspiracy charges . I dont think so. I think the case is of where a very serious one. And i dont think blaming seditious for giving the orders, excuses are behavior. We know that in the military, you are not allowed to follow illegal orders. We know that the people who were prosecuted at nuremberg said, we were just following orders. And they werent subject to orders of donald trump. They acted on their own. Whatever they did, they are responsible for. So their argument just doesnt bear any weight. They will be convicted based on the evidence that we have seen by reading the newspapers. 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