After being in close proximity to the vice commandant of the coast guard who also tested positive. He and defense secretary mark esper were both at the white house for an event last weekend. As the administration navigates this crisis, Vice President mike pence is preparing to debate senator Kamala Harris tomorrow night, now agreeing to plexiglass barriers after pence aides repeatedly mocked the harris team for wanting an additional level of safety. Joining me now, nbc White House Correspondent and weekend today cohost peter alexander. Nbcs mike memoli in Salt Lake City ahead of the Vice President ial debate. Robert gibbs, former press secretary to president obama, and dr. Vin gupta, pulmonologist and Global Health policy expert at the university of washington medical center. Peter alexander, you heard from chief of staff mark meadows this morning. What is the latest on the president s condition . Because we havent heard from the doctors in two days except for a brief statement. And the schedule, because there was some suggestion from meadows that he might even be wanting to go into the oval office, conceivably. That raises a lot of questions. You have to walk from the residence through all those corridors, to the elevator, presumably, his elevator, down through the other corridors in the white house, to the oval office, while theyre trying to control the spread. Yeah, not exactly isolation like you would imagine and like theyve said they would be enforcing for this parking lot. Exactly. In terms of his covid diagnosis right now, his infection. To give you a sense of the white house very quickly, andrea, this is a place thats in crisis and largely empty right now. Having been in there very briefly in the west wing, its effectively a ghost town with a limited staff working right now, given so many people have either become infected or been quarantined as a result. As it relates to mark meadows here, a short time ago when we had a chance to speak to meadows outside the north lawn position where we are finishing up another interview, we were about 20 feet away, remember, he was exposed to the president multiple times at walter reed and again in his meetings here at the white house, spoke a little bit about the president s condition, saying he continues to do extremely well and insisted that hes working hard. Take a listen. His schedule right now is fluid. Were looking at his prognosis from a health standpoint. He wanted to go to the oval yesterday. If he decides to go to the oval, weve got safety protocols there that are, uh, not only from a ppe standpoint but from a ventilation standpoint in the oval where we can actually work to that end as well. If you listen closely to that sound bite, it sounded like meadows was saying there was a possibility the president may go to the oval office if not today then sometime soon. I pressed him on why there has not been any mandate on social distancing or wearing of masks at the white house given this outbreak ricochetting throughout building here and among the president s aides and allies. He said they do socially distance as best is practical. He said when they cant do that, they wear masks. But if you put up this picture from 11 days ago, andrea, this is the rose garden event where they celebrated the announcement of Amy Coney Barrett as the president s pick to replace ruth bader ginsburg. You can see very few masks, certainly no social distancing. More than 120 people were in the rose garden at the time. We know many of knows who have become infected were among those present there. So it really raises some new questions about whether they did anything. We still dont know from meadows whether the president was tested every day. The white house hasnt said when his last negative test happened as well. Were still trying to get to those answers and hopefully getting a chance to talk to his doctor at some point today, but no indication that that will happen either. And from the video we just looked at, we can say senator mike lee, who tested positive, is a hugger. Hes hugging everyone in sight. I mean, even if they werent Wearing Masks, its so unusual to see people hugging in this day and age. Nobody around us hugs for, you know, seven months now. And andrea, to interrupt very briefly, you make an important point. Beyond the interactions you see right there, meadows said at this point theyve finished their Contact Tracing, were told by white house officials, theyve not identified that rose garden event as the source of these infections. They said they have indications it may have happened elsewhere. One possible place it could have happened would have been the debate prepping for President Trump last week. Chris christie, hope hicks, kellyanne conway, stephen miller, the president himself, and others were there, many of them testing positive. Really good point there. Dr. Vin gupta, its almost a textbook of what not to do in looking these white house pictures, and what people cant see is just how close these corridors are, how small the spaces are, except for the oval office, but where you can obviously open doors out to the rose garden and the president could walk through the colonnade and through the rose garden, he doesnt have to go inside the white house to actually get to the oval office. But other than the president of the United States himself, there are so many people working in really tiny spaces. Good morning, andrea. Youre right, and i think whats most alarming is that the d. C. Department of health has not been given the information that they need regarding the number of positive staffers, the number of individuals at that event, who might have actually been exposed so they can contact trace. Theyve reached out several times, the white house, per reporting, has not actually given them that information. Thats unusual, because at the very least you would think that that information would be provided for their for the safety of the staffers and then their loved ones. Because as you know, this can exponentially get out of hand quickly, so that is concerning. I think that any movement this is how if the president was in a hospital, and the president in most cases if the president was any other person, he would still be in a t hospital. We would not be giving medications like dexamethasone that youre prescribed for ten days if you have severe covid19. Ive cared for many of these patients, we dont discharge patients who have significant medical profiles. Lets say hes in the white house medical unit. He should have remained there in whatever type of isolation they have for his benefit. He shouldnt be moving around needlessly. He looked like he was gasping for breath on that modified stress test up the white house stairs a few days ago. Thats number one. For his benefit, he should be resting, and number two, for the benefit of others. Him Walking Around with or without a mask is needless exposure and it doesnt happen for anybody else with covid19 in any type of medical facility that has covid19 pneumonia and is getting treatment for it. To your point for Contact Tracing, they refused to use the cdc, who are the experts on all this. Using the white house, presumably their own list of guests. But theyre not professional contact tracers, nor did they do it right away so youve already lost all of those days. I want to ask you about suggestions that the president could be reacting to the steroids. When he said in that video i havent felt this great in 20 years, he seemed unnaturally sort of up. What about steroids and the fact that he could be having a physical reaction . Because thats certainly something tsuggested regarding t erratic behavior on the stimulus bill, you know, no, then yes, then maybe. With huge market implications and implications for millions of americans. So certainly, dexamethasone, were using this term to frequently, i think we take for granted, its a new term for Many American people. It is a very powerful steroid. Sometimes people get something called prednisone if they have as tea owe arthritic pains, joint pains, doctors will sometimes prescribe that. Dexamethasone is multiple times more powerful than that and the president is getting probably six milligrams every day. Thats enough, for somebody not used to it, to experience euphoria, in some cases delirium in a hospital setting. Certainly insomnia. I bet hes not getting ai gre t night of sleep. Covid19 wreaks havoc by overactivating the immune system and damaging the lungs. So hes at risk from a secondary infection from, say, a bacteria. So him going around willynilly without a mask and appropriate protections is dangerous for his own health. Definitely mental status changes can be expected, andrea. Robert gibbs, you worked in the white house. Can you imagine the press secretary, all these other close aides, hope hicks, now the pentagon implicated as well, it is home alone there, because people are afraid to come to work, and they should be working from home now, those who have not become infected. Andrea, look, weve all had to do this, since march. You know, weve been lucky, many of us have been lucky. Were not front line workers, but were able to go into our homes. Were able were able to conduct business. Theres absolutely no reason that most of the white house staff could do that. Should a few people be there . Yes. Should they be socially distanced . Yes. Should they be Wearing Masks . Yes, were six months late on that. But people exposed directly to the president and hope hicks ought to be quarantined. The exact model of behavior that weve been asking the American People to do for six or seven months, they turn on the tv now and they see that the building most identified with our democracy is paying no attention to those rules. And the building with the most Resources Available to it of any building maybe in the world has no interest in doing Contact Tracing. Lets be clear. Theyre not doing Contact Tracing because they dont have the wherewithal to do it. Theyre not doing Contact Tracing because quite frankly they dont want to know the answer. They dont want to tell you, andrea. They dont want to tell peter who else has this disease. Theyre being willfully ignorant on these facts. And i think its obvious. The doctor comes out and answers no questions. If peter has a chance to ask the doctor questions today, i can bet you everything that i have that hes not going to get an answer. And such is what is happening now with where we are in covid19 in 2020. And that brings us to the debates, because the president now says hes going to go to the debate next week. But we still dont know what his viral load is. Mike memoli, joe biden said yesterday that he will go to the debate but only if he knows the president is not infectious. How are they going to get that information from the white house . And what do you expect from tonights debate . Yeah, andrea, the last 24 hours as it relates to the Vice President ial debate, theres been this discussion of course about those plexiglass barriers. A request that came from the harris team in part for two reasons, really. One, because frankly the lack of trust in the debate commission, the fact that they werent enforcing their own rules in clevela cleveland, whether or not the president did report or positive or negative test, his staffers and family not Wearing Masks, and was the president tested before he left cleveland. There are white house advisers and people close to pence himself who tested positive. They want that extra degree of assurance. And then the question of what this means for miami next week. You heard the former Vice President yesterday say, while he hopes to have the opportunity to debate President Trump next week, that he wants to hear and wants to make sure that hes not contagious still. The mayor of miami, a republican, by the way, also saying that he should not be traveling to miami if hes still potentially contagious. Now, the stakes for tonight are that much higher in part because, frankly, the country is that much more keenly aware of the role of the Vice President to step in potentially to be president if the worst were to happen. Now, the harris team, raising expectations in the last hour, saying that Vice President mike pence will have to answer for the president and his handling of the coronavirus. And by the way, pence does himself, because he has been of course the head of that task force. They also point out that when we think back to cleveland and that chaotic scene, that mike pence, a much more polished debater, may not be interrupting senator harris in the same way that President Trump was interrupting joe biden, but as a Senior Adviser on the Biden Campaign put it, that doesnt mean hell be telling the truth, andrea. He is certainly more polite, much more polite, and hes an experienced politician, unlike the president. Peter alexander, i want to talk about something that was so moving to me, and that is general mike hayden. Hes been suffering for two years, fighting a really debilitating stroke, but regain his speech. He suffers from an aphasia, a speech difficulty, trying to relearn how to walk. Great military man, was the head of the cia, the head of the nsa in the george w. Bush years. He came out in support of joe biden. Take a look at this. If trump gets another term, i think many alliances will be gone. And america will be alone. And thats a real, real problem. I absolutely disagree with some of bidens policies. But thats not important. Whats important is the United States. And im supporting joe biden. Peter alexander, they should be taking this seriously. This is a very impactful endorsement for the military community in a lot of red states. Andrea, hes not alone, he joins a chorus of members of that military community who have expressed their not just reservations but frustration and deep distrust of President Trump and how hes governing at president. Michael hayden, the fourstar air force general, stanley mcchrystal, endorsing joe biden a couple of days ago. Mike hayden spoke to the sort of loss of alliances, our role in the world as a leader. He said if President Trump wins a second term, he said all of our friends would be gone, andrea. Peter alexander, mike memoli, robert gibbs, dr. Vin gupta, thank you all so very much for starting us off today. About face. President trump reversing course on covid relief only hours after breaking off talks. Now he says, maybe a small standalone bill. Millions of american livelihoods are hanging in the balance. What the economy, companies, and employees need to know now. Plus later, flip or flop. Can democrats get enough votes in races across the country to take back the senate . 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And im making corporations like pg e and Insurance Companies play by our rules. We need experienced leadership to wipe away trumps stain on america for good. President trump doing another aboutface on the coronavirus stimulus package after markets plunged when he tweeted he was breaking off all talks. Then he wrote, i have instructed my investments to stop negotiating until after the election when immediately after i win, we will pass a major stimulus bill. The markets then crashed so he zigzagged back, signaling he might accept a smaller standalone bill. On a Democratic Caucus call tuesday afternoon, Speaker Pelosi was quoted as saying, believe me, there are people who thought, who think, that steroids have an impact on his thinking. Pelosi speaking out this morning on the view. Its hard to see any clear, sane path in anything that hes doing. The fact is that he saw the political downside of his state of walking away. All he has ever wanted in the negotiation was to send out a check with his name printed on it. Is it time to pick up the phone . Do you want to go over to the white house . Whats the best way to work this out now . I wouldnt go anywhere near the white house. Its one of the most dangerous places in the country. Joining me now is jason fuhrman, former chairman of the council of economic advisers in the obama administration. Jason, youve been part of these talks and youve seen the way its supposed to work. Theres really no communication, because how does pelosi or anyone negotiate with mnuchin or meadows, even, when they dont know what the president is going to tweet . Yeah, when i was in government, i thought it was dysfunctional because we would come to an agreement at 11 59 p. M. , the day before it needed to happen. That is looking, you know, absolutely stellar. I think the fact the president has been so erratic, didnt put out a plan until the end of july, kept changing his plan, did an illegal executive action, negotiate, dont negotiate, its so hard dealing with. And the fed chair has been really explicit about this, jerome powell, speaking before the president tweeted about ending the talks. Lets listen to what jay powell had to say. A long period of unnecessarily slow progress could continue to exacerbate existing disparities in our economy. That would be tragic, especially in light of our countrys progress on these issues in the years leading up to the pandemic. So jason, for the fed chair to say this could be tragic consequences, thats as dire as warning as youre going to hear from anybody in the federal reserve. And this is hardly going to be the great vshaped recovery that the president keeps bragging about on the campaign trail when he was out there. Thats exactly right, andrea. He actually got off to a decent start, not perfect, but a decent start with the c. A. R. E. S. Act. But that ended abruptly at the end of july and were entering a dangerous people for the economy. The danger doesnt manifest itself instantly, people have some savings, but theyre running out of that savings. The virus have starting to spread more. And so were entering, you know, more dangerous and more uncharted territory, completely unnecessarily, because we know what we can do for the economy, we just need to do it. The president indicated in another tweet last night that he might approve money for the airlines as a separate and small business, as a separate bill. Weve heard from some senators, more moderate senators, they might be willing to go along with that, democrats as well as republicans. Theyre all over the place on the hill. And would it be enough to just do airlines and Small Businesses . And not do state and local government, which seems to be a red line for the president , because he says it would be helping blue state mayors and governors. Yeah. So i personally dont even love whats being done for airlines. I think you shouldnt do something for one industry that you dont do for everyone else. Even if you thought that was a good idea, its only for one part of the economy. It doesnt help the rest of the economy. And what youre seeing is one industry can take care and protect itself because its a concentrated interest. The broad interest of hundreds of millions of americans is being lost in the shuffle because thats in no way adequate for the tens of millions of people getting Unemployment Insurance right now through no fault of their own because there just arent jobs in our economy. Jason furman, so great to get a reality check from you, thanks. Please come back often. And everyone stay safe out there. This afternoon, two british citizens who fought for the Islamic State will be in a federal courtroom in alexandria, virginia. An eightcount indictment was announced against the two men, dubbed the beatles, because of their accents. Theyre charged with torture and beheadings of more than two dozen hostages, among them four americans who had been captured in syria and treated brutally including kayla muller, an aid worker from arizona killed in 2015 after 18 months in isis captivity, and american journalist james foley killed alongside fellow journalist stephen satnov plus an aid worker. Theyll come to court finally, and to justice, this afternoon. Returning to the coach i vi crisis, cases are climbing across the nation. Montana hitting a new daily high. The states senator jon tester joins me next. Youre watching Andrea Mitchell reports. This is msnbc. Watching andreal reports. This is msnbc. 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Go to dealdash. Com right now and see how much you can save. Coronavirus cases are rising in 32 states including montana, where new daily cases are up 100 . 500 new cases on tuesday. Joining me now, democratic senator jon tester of montana. His new book is grounded a senators lessons in wooing back Rural America. Senator, good to see you, thanks for being with us. Congratulations on your book. Youve learned so well how to run successfully in a red state. Tell us some of your lessons right now, especially as youve got covid on the rise in montana. Well, look, andrea, first of all, its great to be with you. Thanks for the opportunity. There are basic rules in politics. They apply to Rural America too. Being authentic is one, showing up is another. And making sure you listen first and speak second. I think those are three things right off the top. Theres much more than that, but those are three things that i think when you go into Rural America, you should keep in mind moving forward. I can tell you from a democratic perspective, and ive been involved now in major politics now for over 20 years, its important that you let people know what you stand for. But listen first and try to find that Common Ground and talk about the challenges and talk about solutions to those challenges. I think that it is as simple as that. But i will tell you that its also hard work. If you arent willing to put in the work, then you certainly cant win. How do you deal with covid in a rural state, with a small population, when the president comes out, takes off his mask, says its no worse than the flu, misinformation coming from, you know, the president of the United States, from the white house. How do you counteract that with your constituents . Listen to science. And thats really the bottom line. If you follow what science is recommending, it can help solve this problem. Its the reason other countries economies are ahead of ours, its because theyve listened to science. Wearing a mask is important. Is it a pain in the neck . Yeah, its a pain in the neck, i hate it. The truth is i cant afford to be sick and neither can anybody else. So wear a mask, socially distance. Make sure you use good hygiene. Dont get into big groups. If you do, youre just asking for it. This is a very contagious virus that if you treat it with respect, it may show some mercy. If you dont, and you just kind of fly by the seat of your pants and not pay any attention to what science is doing, youll end up in a situation where your number of cases are going to go through the roof. Were there in montana. We were told this was coming last summer. And were just going to have to double down on what science is telling us, what the cdc is telling us, and listen to what governor bullock is trying to tell us, and a that is, mask up. Now, do you have concerns about National Security . Youre the top democrat on the Veterans Affairs committee. Now you have pentagon officials, starting with mark milley, who are quarantining because of the infection at the white house and the pentagon. Exactly right, andrea. I will tell you that those guys cant afford to get sick either. And it is critical for our National Security interests. These folks track our adversaries every day. They know whats going on. If any of these folks go down, it really does compromise our National Security. What about Steve Bullock and that race, thats a tough senate race but one democrats really want to win if theyre going to have any chance of taking back the senate . Look, i feel good about governor bullocks possibilities of winning. I think hes in relatively good shape right now. I think hes spending most of his time talking about what hes accomplished for the people of montana. And i think that that speaks well for him. And i think when you compare records, bullock should win this thing. But its a tough state for democrats, and governor bullock has done a great job both as attorney general and as governor. Hes getting around the state now, hes talking about that and has been for some time. But its going to be a hot race. We knew it was going to be a hot race when the governor got in. But i will tell you, i think so far, so good. Those four weeks. But if people keep their shoulder to the wheel and keep working and keep working hard and not only the governor but the people around him, i feel good about our chances come november 3 to pick that senate seat up. And one final quick question. Are the democrats going to hold, even in red states like yours, when it comes to voting on Amy Coney Barrett . Look, i think the challenge here is to find out what her judicial philosophy is. Its obvious that senator mcconnell will try to force and ram this through. And being able to get the information we need to make good decisions will be very, very difficult. Look, it should be put off until after the election. It should be put off until the next president , the next congress is sworn in. I dont think theres any doubt about that. Thats what should be done. But unfortunately Mitch Mcconnell has a different agenda and he wants to ram this nominee through regardless of any of the circumstances about how it might Impact Health care, the Affordable Care act, preexisting conditions, voters rights, any of those things. I told its a real unfortunate situation. Mcconnell set the rules up after Justice Scalia died and now hes changed it again. There cannot be different rules for democratic president s versus republican president s. I think the American People understand that. And hopefully, hopefully, unless hes able to put this off until after the next congress and the president is sworn in, there will be a price to be paid for this. As we know, you democrats have to stick together. You still need two more republican votes in order to stop it from going through. So its going to be touch and go with so many of them getting sick as well. You stay well, thank you very much, senator tester, congratulations on the new book. Thank you, andrea. And well be talking about more races to watch. Senate contests are heating up, with just 27 days before the election. Will republicans lose control of the senate . More on that, coming up next. Youre watching Andrea Mitchell reports on msnbc. Everyone remembers the moment they heard. You have cancer. How their world stopped and when they found a way to face it. For some, this is where their keytruda story begins. Keytruda a breakthrough immunotherapy that may treat certain cancers. One of those cancers is advanced nonsquamous, nonsmall cell lung cancer where keytruda is approved to be used with certain chemotherapies as your first treatment if you do not have an abnormal egfr or alk gene. 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The president getting covid is putting more pressure on republican senators in tough reelection contests who can no longer claim that the virus is just going to go away. Arizona republican senator Martha Mcsally who was appointed to fill john mccains seat is down 11 points now to challenger mark kelly in the latest New York TimesSienna College reporting. She dodged a question from the moderator last night. The question was are you proud of your support for President Trump . Im proud to be fighting for arizona every single day. Is that a yes or a no for President Trump . Putting legislation on President Trumps desk. You look at the legislation we put on his desk, its to cut arizona taxes. It sounds like shes proud of her support for President Trump. The question is why was he wanting to support bernie sanders. This as the highly regarded Cook Political Report today put Lindsey GrahamsSouth Carolina race against democratic challenger Jaime Harrison into the tossup column, a blinking red warning sign for the senator who is about to lead the judiciary committees hearings for Amy Coney Barretts Supreme Court nomination. Phil rucker, looking at this race, so far mark kelly has been ahead in arizona, way ahead of Martha Mcsally. Arizona is traditionally red. What are you seeing there and in South Carolina . Whats interesting about the arizona race is mcsally has trailed mark kelly, her democratic senator opponent, by a wider margin than trump has trailed biden in the president ial ballot in that state. Weve seen that pattern in some other senate races as well. And so what that tells you, what political strategists in both parties are observing in this final month of the campaign, trump underperforming his own race will have an even greater drag on the Senate Candidates because theyre underwater. What they really need is the president to either win those states or at least put in a respectable performance, only lose by a couple of points and maximize his own turnout so that those voters can in turn vote for those republican Senate Candidates. But at this hour that doesnt seem to be happening, according to virtually all of the public polling. And donna edwards, the surprise of the year so far has been Jaime Harrisons strong run. A lot of us knew him as the democratic chairman, as a jim clyburn staff guy. Hes made a hard run at lindsey graham. He really has, and its caught senator graham off guard. Lindsey graham was not taking Jaime Harrison seriously. But jaime has outraised lindsey graham, hes raised money and continues to do that. He has a really strong field operation. And i think its going to bode well for him. Youve seen this race move from republican, lean republican, and now a tossup race. My money would be on Jaime Harrison at this point. And also we should talk about election security. Lonnie chen, there was a really unusual video from the fbi director and three agency heads including general nakasone, the head of the nsa, they put this out on twitter about election security. And it puts them really against what the dni, former republican congressman radcliffe, has been saying, and of course the white house