The risk to him and his supporters unknown. He is not only fresh off his own covid recovery, but he is holding potential super spreader events in states where frontline workers can barely catch up with the cases they have, as america surpasses 8 million cases coasttocoast. An expert tonight helps us weigh the risks on where this pandemic goes next. Also tonight, Rudy Giuliani and what team trump hoped would be an october surprise. It appears to be backfiring with the new details on russias latest Disinformation Campaign to sway your vote. This is american voices. First up tonight, the droves of american voices taking to the streets and cities across the country, from new york to atlanta, d. C. , and the windy city. Women by the thousands had one Single Mission today. To let all the women, to let the Trump Administration, to let democrats, republicans that were were essential, that we matter, and were voting. The coasttocoast marches come as the Republicanled Senate works at breakneck speed to confirm the president s Third Supreme Court nominee. Amy coney barrett. A pick bound for the bench who in the eyes of advocates is a risk to reproductive rights and health care. It could explain some of the hourslong lines to vote early that we are seeing across this country, despite efforts to dissuade voters from turning out. And of course the threat posed by a pandemic. For his part, the president is focusing on the base with speeches last hour in michigan and another one next hour in wisconsin. On the heels of his covid diagnosis and faced with criticism of hosting potential super spreader events in its wake, the white house is still downplaying how serious this virus is. So we are routinely looking at covid numbers in respective states. Dr. Birx has traveled the country. She is aware when there are embers and fires, and we address those as they come. Important to remind row that america has reached 8 million cases, far from an ember. Meanwhile, politics as usual for the president , saying this about the prospect of losing to joe biden. Running against the worst candidate in the history of president ial politics puts pressure on me. Can you imagine if i lose . My whole life, what am i going to do . Im going say i lost to the worst candidate in the history of politics. Im not going to feel so good. Maybe ill have to leave the country. I dont know. Joe biden using the time he has to reassure americans hell protect their health care in the face of another wave. Ill build on the Affordable Care act. We can choose to keep your private insurance as well as offer medicaidlike public option, which will get private insurer, real competition. We can only do this if we come together as a country. Abraham lincoln told us that a house divided cannot stand. Lets bring in nbc news correspondent Garrett Haake who is in wisconsin with the Trump Campaign. Nbc News Reporter with the Biden Campaign in washington, d. C. Kenya evelyn, the guardians reporter and andy crohn, Rolling StoneNational Bureau resident. Michigan currently considered high risk. Most of wisconsin classified as a covid hot spot at the moment. Whats the campaign doing to prepare . What is the level of concern on the ground . Yeah, alicia, wisconsin set and broke its record for cases of hospitalizations over the course of the last week. The governor said he wished the president wasnt coming here today. I can tell you that in terms of preparations, precautions taken by the campaign, they are minimal. Largely the same they were before the president s own diagnosis. The attendees of this rally have to submit to a temperature screening. They have to be wearing a mask when they come through the magnetometers, but once they do, many simply remove their mask and they cram in here where theyve been waitinger three hours so far for the president to appear. Were outside and there is strong gusting wind here today that might perhaps help protect people. But these rallies continue to be events that make Public Health officials nervous. A rally i was at about a month ago in minnesota has been declared an outbreak in that state after more than a dozen people got sick and a couple had to get hospitalized. These rallies continue to be a concern to Public Health officials, and the Trump Campaign continues to move along with them. Garrett, you also saw this reporting in axios this week that there is fingerpointing inside the white house. Senior advisers preparing for a trump loss. What are you hearing from your sources . Well, its interesting. I spent this last week on capitol hill covering the Supreme Court hearings on the senate side, and youre seeing a similar bleed among republican senators. Republican senators have largely ignored the president s cries, his appeals for a larger covid relief package, for instance. Theyve simply not gone along with the president of their party pushing for trillion in new spending. And now were starting to see some prominent republican senators come right out and say the quiet part out loud about this president. Mitt romney put out two statements this weekend, pretty harshly criticizing the president s rhetoric. And then of course there is the ben sasse consistent phone call tape that has gotten a lot of attention where he talks pretty openly with his constituents about a president who mocks evangelicals, kisses the butts of dictators, his phrasing, not mine, and who is really essentially degraded the office. That led to this big back and forth with the president on twitter today. But when you start to lose the upper chamber, the folks who you really need, both to lock in your support in the states and to do literally anything if you have a legislative agenda, it shows i think the same thing that axios is reporting, the same idea, that folks around the president are at least looking to the exits, if not running towards them to make sure that they have Something Else planned for a future that doesnt include President Trump. Lets go to dipa. How is the Biden Campaign spending this time and the resources in the final days of this campaign . We know that joe bidens campaign has raised an exorbitant amount of money just in the last couple of weeks, that they have cash to carry them through the next 17 days. As far as the campaign trail, youre going to see joe biden and Kamala Harris hitting the ground very consistently for the next couple of weeks as we head towards election day. Biden himself was in detroit last night, is going to be in North Carolina tomorrow. Kamala harris, who took the weekend off of traveling after two people who traveled with her consistently tested positive for covid, she took that weekend off and is going to be back on the trail on monday in both orlando and gainesville, reaching out to voters on that first day of voting in florida early voting in florida. So youre going to see a lot of movement on that front in these next 17 days. And at the same time, alicia, we have some of these big names coming out for the democratic tick as well. Barack obama will be campaigning for joe biden in pennsylvania on wednesday. You see senators elizabeth warren, celebrities like Kerry Washington in North Carolina today. Its really a full force that were seeing as we hit the home stretch here. Alicia . Kenya, as long as you and i have been talking about this race, weve been talking about the fact that how people vote is going to be as critical to what is motivating them to come out to vote. You see these long lines in places like georgia, louisiana. This comes at the same time there is new polling i want to pull up here, kenya. It shows that in places like this that there is much more worry among communities of color about violence and legal trouble at the polls. Voters of color much more concerned about that than white voters. What does that tell you . Well, it tells us that as much as we have advanced, Voter Suppression and voter intimidation is still much a part of our daily lives. Its still a part of the American Fabric of voting that we saw in the 60s, that we saw in the 70s and that we saw with the generations before us. And so thats essentially what is driving a lot of the early turnout, a lot of the long lines. Folks ive talked with said theyre not quite confident their vote is going to count on election day. Theyre not quite certain that their ballot if mailed in is not going to be rejected. We show that showing ballots of African Americans in states throughout the country are having a higher likelihood of being rejected. So if thats showing up in terms of people who are showing up to the polls, voting for their ancestors, voting for those who couldnt. Like myself, im voting for my 98yearold grandmother who passed away this week and wanted to be able to vote for the first female black president or Vice President. And i couldnt make that day. So people are taking to the polls with their ancestors, with the struggles that Voter Suppression has instilled before in the past in terms of our ancestor, generations and voters before us. And theyre taking that theyre taking that legacy. Theyre taking that fight to the polls in terms of voting rights, in terms of amendment in places like florida. And people are really riled up in terms of making sure this time there is substantial change. Andy, you heard garrett there talking about how a republican senator, some of them beginning to distance themselves from the president. Not so much for georgia senator david perdue. This is him last night warming up the crowd at a trump rally in georgia. Take a listen. But the most insidious thing that Chuck Schumer and joe biden and bernie and elizabeth and kamala, kamala, kamala, i dont know, whatever. Andy, he has worked with senator harris in the u. S. Senate since 2017. What does it tell you that this is the line of attack that he is resorting to . Well, alicia, it tells me two things. One is that there isnt much of a tangible substantive policy response to what Vice President biden and senator harris are campaigning on in this race, that this is what senator purdue resorts to. And secondly, it tells me that the rot in the Republican Party that is so evident at the top, President Trump, has very much affected downward into the lower tiers of this Republican Party. You have senator ben sasse on the one hand telling constituents that he is done with trump saying all the things about trump kissing dictators butts. But i think senator purdue of georgias comment is just as revealing what the toll has been that President Trump has done on this Republican Party. Again, the sort of poisonous rhetoric that these senators, these members of congress, these governors, the cues they take from the president. And really, its going to take a sort of big win from the biden harris ticket to kind of denounce and defeat that trumpist element in the Republican Party, the kind of thing we saw senator purdue do just this week. All right, deepa, kenya and andy, thank you all. When we continue here on american voice, a voice of political deja vu, like 2016 email, disinformation, and the russians back in the headlines. But could this october surprise be backfiring on the president s personal attorney . Plus, news no one wanted. America now has 8 million covid cases. 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After which, according to the Washington Post and new york times, spy agencies warned the white house that russian assets could be using giuliani to feed disinformation to the president. For more im joined by ben collins, nbc News Reporter. And malcolm nance, nbc news terrorism analyst and contributor, and also author of the plot to despres america. The post warned that anything giuliani brought back from ukraine should be considered contaminated by russia. Can you draw a line for us, malcolm, between the info dump we saw in the New York Post and what giuliani was looking for in ukraine . Well, if you think about it, we all know everything there is to know about this story, because this is the same information which was provided almost two years ago, excuse me that resulted in Donald Trumps impeachment. A lot of this information is related to Hunter Bidens relationship with the Company Burisma and supposedly and supposedly Vice President joe biden doing a favor for burisma by stopping investigations through the firing of a prosecutor that giuliani was being backed by. All of this information has supposedly now implicating hunter biden has miraculously shown up inside of a computer that was supposedly left by hunter biden or a guy who looks like hunter biden, and that of course is now Rudy Giulianis attempt to make an october surprise to implicate hunter biden, and perhaps even in the last few weeks, try to get an indictment of him or and or joe biden. It would be amazing, but theyve tried just about Everything Else. Ben, we often talk about how social media is used to amplify disinformation. In this case, you had twitter and facebook initially enacting measures to limit this article spread, this article that we keep talking about in the New York Post. Twitter later backed down. Facebook is still in a review process that could take a while. What led to the turnaround from twitter . What is the policy at the moment . And what about facebook . It was an enormous amount of pressure from the right. But i do want to say that this is a platform twitter began. Twitter in march 2019 explicitly said you will not be able to link out hacked in leaked materials. Its a brandnew policy and it was supposed to do something for a wikileaks style event in october of 2020. And guess what . We had it. But it was laundered through the New York Post. They didnt think ahead say hey, theyre just going to drop something on twitter. Well be able to ban that. This information was laundered through a giant murdoch paper. So it looks like censorship. So either way, what happens here for the right was a winwin situation. Either they banned this thing and they get to cry foul, they get to try censorship, and everyone still knows the story because theyre talking about it in the halls of congress, or they dont ban it and it goes bananas all throughout the right wing internet. This was a plan. This was very coordinated. And i think we have to Start Talking about it right that. Right, malcolm. So pick up where ben left off talking about the ways in which it is a plant. We have the daily beast reporting that the Computer Repair shop who gave this information acted suspiciously in front of reporters at different times saying he contacted the fbi, other times they contacted him. I imagine that raise as lot of red flags for you. Well, it raise as lot of red flags because this is spy craft 101. This is baby spy school stuff, right . When you want to implicate something no really. At the Yuri Andropov school of intelligence that Vladimir Putin went to when he was a baby spy in the 1980s, this is what they teach you, to implicate your enemies. You put compromising material or fake material that you have generated into a position where a neutral third party can find them, and then that third party will pass it on to a relevant authority, and then a scandal breaks out. Thats technically what wikileaks did. Only this time its targeted intelligence. It is focused on an individual with information that 99. 9 of it may be true whats called black propaganda is that 1 of it is selectively edit Order Information that is left out in order to implicate or create a perception that something wrong has been done here. But this is old school stuff that usually is done with you putting something in someones wallet or having somebodys dirty film fall in front of the new york times. Ben, if as you said the moves from twitter and facebook to try to limit exposure to the story has effect the of making it bigger, how, then, are they as platforms supposed to deal with this . How is news media supposed to deal with this story . Well, platforms could have stuck to their guns, but they didnt. They made a choice to play both sides here. And thats just something theyve been doing for the last four years, and something that we are to get used to. I do want to stress here we didnt know wikileaks were the bad guys until well after the fact. In the moment, Mainstream Press were laundering this stuff for wikileaks. So we are sort of we are prisoners of the moment here. We are living in the interim where we dont know if this is hacked material, where we dont know if its been leaked with a patsy or Something Like that. This is by the way, i really want to stress this, this is how pizzagate started in 2016. There were hacked materials. They were put on line. And said everybody figure it out for yourself. And when people started to figure things out for themselves on reddit, they found a satanic cult that does not actually exist. So we have to be very careful and say hey, this is the point of this entire thing is to create innuendo, create suspicion, create the appearance of impropriety, even if its not there. Malcolm, ben looks at this through the lens of disinformation, something he knows incredibly well. For you, when you look at this through the lens of national security, how should this be treated . Well, it should be treated for the way that we have learned that information like this should be treated. We didnt do in 2016. This is a weapons system. It is a guided disinformation missile, which has been carefully crafted, which has been lovingly assembled, which has been put into the missile launcher of Rudy Giulianis mouth and brain, and it has now been projected whether it was done clandestinely through an ally of the Trump Campaign. This could be almost generically donald trump with Rudy Giuliani providing the payload, which is this fake information and using very old spy craft to get this into the hands of the media. And if you guys wonder why i have tears in my eye, its because ben is just so good at ferreting this stuff out. But one thing that he didnt know was that the Intelligence Community of foreign governments and disinformation organizations, they focus on the rules of u. S. Journalism. They know what your limits are. They know what your parameters are, and they know that youre often hungry for information. And this time you needed real evidence. Now theyve provided that evidence. And youre probably going to find most of it is probably legitimate emails, probably intercepted by someone in the United States or foreign power, and then placed into the hands by an american citizen or even a foreign agent. You dont know, and thats the beauty of it. Its designed to hurt now, but while youre pulling the dagger out later on for introspection, somebody is bleeding on the sidewalk. All right. Malecon and ben, i appreciate how youre always able to provide so much context around this. Thank you so much. Next, can you get covid19 twice . There is a new case to tell you than raises that question yet again as the president claims he is, quote, immune. And well take two quick stops across europe, where a rapid rise in cases is forcing more lockdowns. Is it a preview of what would happen here . Ovies and we need to silence our phone. Who knows where that button is . I dont have silent. Everyone does right up here. It happens to all of us. We buy a new home, and we turn into our parents. What i do is help new homeowners overcome this. What is that, an adjustable spanner . Good choice, steve. Okay, dont forget youre not assisting him. You hired him. If you have nowhere to sit, you have too many. Who else reads books about submarines . My dad. 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A lion share of them are in france, germany, and italy, which worries the World Health Organization about the possibility of a death toll four, even five times higher than it is now. So tonight the city of lights is locking things down, and london is banning indoor gatherings to prevent further spread. The latest on all of it tonight from our team of correspondents in the outbreak zone, starting with nbc news Foreign Correspondent matt bradley. Yeah, alicia, we havent seen the streets of paris this quiet since, well, the spring. That was when there was a lockdown. That was nationwide all day long. Everybody stays in their homes. Now we have a curfew, and thats a little bit different. It starts at 9 00 p. M. And lasts until 6 00 a. M. And if youre caught on the streets of paris or eight other major city, including marseille and lyon, you could get a 160 u. S. Fine. Now the point of this is that the president is trying to decide between a more strict measure lucky a lockdown, which they basically already ruled out, as have several other governments in europe, or a more laissez attitude of just letting the virus take its toll. Its a very awkward position for governments throughout europe, whether or not to reinstate the lockdown. And its massive punishment we saw in the spring or let everybody go. This is a half measure, and so far a lot of french people seem to be in support of it, according to polls. But its entirely unclear what the result will be. So far weve seen this second wave. Were now about six weeks into it. And only in the last week or two have we started to see cases of intensive care patients increasing, and we havent really started to see a massive uptick in the numbers of deaths. Doctors are saying with the massive number of intensive care patients were going to start seeing casualties, but a lot of people are not happy about the new measures. Theyre worried theyre going take an economic toll that will be disproportionate to the lives they might save. Now to my colleague in london, sarah harmon. Thanks, matt. Anyone who has visited london and been to Covent Garden knows this is not usually what it looks like here on a saturday night. Now starting at midnight this morning, it became against the law for londoners to meet a friend in a pub for a drink unless that friend happens to live in the same household or theyre meeting outside. Now alicia, if that sounds a little fiddly and confusing to you, youre not alone. Many people have criticized Prime MinisterBoris Johnsons threetiered lockdown system as being unnecessarily confusing. The rules actually change depending on the rate of infection in your local area. And in the north of england, the mayor of Greater Manchester has refused to enact the strictest measures in his region, setting him on a collision course with the Prime Minister. Meanwhile, momentum is growing as some Scientists Say these partial lockdowns arent going to be enough. Its going to take a fullscale National Lockdown to stop the spread of the virus in this country. Alicia . The big headline today here at home, america has reached and now surpassed eight million cases. 218,000 lives lost. We say on course, scientists predict that number could jump to nearly 7,000 by february. The midwest is bearing the brunt. Case in point, wisconsin, where more than 3700 new cases were reported thursday alone. A lack of Hospital Capacity is putting incredible strain on front line workers, and now forcing officials to open field hospitals. Against that backdrop comes the commander in chief who will head to wisconsin after his Campaign Stop in michigan. That remains ongoing this hour. With me now is dr. Vin gupta. He is an msnbc medical contributor and Global Health policy expert at the university of washington medical center. Dr. Gupta, thank you so much for being with me. You and have i been talking about this for months and since the beginning of this, there were concerns that once we headed into the colder months, they would bring surges during flu season. Those months are nearly upon us. What can you tell us about the rises that were seeing in the midwest . Alicia, its good to be with you. Were already in the middle of that third peak or second wave, whatever you want to call it. 70,000 cases today with plateaus in the number of daily tests. So alicia, thats a bad combination. Its not people like to say we have more cases because we have more testing. Thats not true. Youre right. A thousand new deaths today as well. And really concerning signs in wisconsin. Its a combination of in particular places like wisconsin, clusters of cases in college towns. We know that that was the initial trigger back in august. 5500 cases at 27 University Type towns across the state. That led four weeks later to spikes in the elderly cohort. Thats something thats happening in iowa, to some extent ohio. Thats part of it. But then colder air, dryer climates means more transmission of respiratory viruses. So this is deeply concerning. Dr. Gupta, were just talking about whats happening in europe. When you watch what is happening there, how much of that is potential foreshadowing for what we can expect here in the states . This is what i think we have to be careful, because there are those who want to fearmonger that the United States is nearing lockdown, depending on whos in charge come january 20th. Thats just false. We shouldnt fearmonger on that. Certain people are advocating a sciencebased approach. No one is saying lets do a blanket shutdown. In places like wisconsin, though, if hospital Surge Capacity is exceeded and we have no icu beds, then what is our other alternative . So wisconsin is a place to keep an eye out on. No, i dont think a blanket lockdown across the country something anybody is advocating for. Looking to the signs, metrics. What is icu bed availability. What is the growth in new infections. The common things being common, lets take a sciencebased approach and do what we need to save lives. Thinking of a sciencebased approach, you have President Trump diagnosed with covid19. He has continuously said he is immune. Thats happening at the same time we know at least three americans have been reinfected with the virus. What do we know at this point about reinfections . Im glad you brought that up. I think the president saying that he is immune to the virus is just deeply misleading amongst many things he said recently to the american people. What we do know, at least 22 confirmed cases of reinfection worldwide, three as you mentioned in the United States. What was concerning about the most recent case in nevada, alicia, was it was a 25yearold individual who had a second case of reinfection six weeks after his first case, and that second case was worse. Usually we think in most these cases of the infection, the second case is less severe than the first. This was an exception. Dont really understand why. Also, what we think is immunity, if you can have been naturally infected can last as long as three to four months. But the sixweek case in the case of the nevada individual was deeply alarming. There is no way the president is immune. Lets be clear to the american people, the president is not immune to a future case of covid19 even though he is behaving like he is. Dr. Gupta, what do you make of that stark prediction of a nearly 80 rise in deaths by february 1 . Is that likely at the rate were seeing surgeries . And how do we slow that down if we dont have a vaccine soon . Yeah, i do believe the numbers. Its the institute for health metrics, my home evaluation that has been modelling this forecast. Any herd immunity adds 100,000 individuals to the death toll by february 1. I am worried. Were all deeply worried that the death toll here is going to continue to climb. The models have actually been right. What we do need let me tell you what you need. The Public School districts across the country cannot operate in the blind. Right now only the haves have access to testing. We need the have notes to have access to Rapid Testing too. Thats the only way we can keep teacher, custodial staff, teachers and students and parents safe. And the number two, alicia, im going to show you what ive been showing allot here. We need high quality masking for more people than just doctors and nurses. Teachers should have access to these if they want it. There is no reason that a dollar a pop for n95 should not be available to more people to keep them safe as we enter this dangerous time. So we need better Rapid Testing for School Districts and Higher Quality masking for any american that wants it. Right, dr. Vin gupta, thank you always for your time. Up next, who counts . How the Supreme Court will soon decide the president s latest attempt to exclude some people in the census. Why it matters to you. And later, history in houston. How Harris County, texas has been able to smash early voting records. Your journey requires liberty mutual. They customize your Car Insurance so you only pay for what you need. Liberty power wow. That will save me lots of money. Youre insured this games boring. Lets get tacos. Only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Our Retirement Plan with voya gives us confidence. Yeah, they help us with achievable steps along the way. 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On november 30th, just a few weeks from today, the Trump Administration will wage its latest fight against undocumented immigrants at the Supreme Court. This time whether undocumented immigrants can be excluded from the 2020 census. The question before the court is not about whether the census counts how many people are in america without legal status. We know the administration cares deeply about that because it fought and lost a battle to include a Citizenship Question on the 2020 census. The real question before the Court Next Month is if undocumented immigrants can be excluded from the report sent to congress, and that matters. Under the white houses current plan theyll report two sets of figures to the president. One that includes everyone counted, and another leaving out undocumented immigrants. The president would then report the smaller number to congress for use in determining the amount of u. S. Representatives each state can have. Our constitution requires you do it every ten years. Excluding undocumented immigrants from the count would ultimately reduce the number of seats in the house for states with large immigrant populations and cut their share of federal funds. If that happens, we could see power shift to less diverse states. Just last year, pew research estimated that excluding undocumented immigrants could result in house seats that would otherwise be assigned to california, florida, and texas going instead to alabama, minnesota, and ohio, which could all otherwise lose a house seat in the next decade. And while america is changing and evolving, this debate is as old as the country itself. As Pete Williams points out, during debates a the constitutional convention, and again during debates over the 14th amendment, proposals were offered to count only citizens in the census, but each time they were rejected. Congress later considered changing the law, but in 1929, the senate Legal Council concluded a statute to exclude citizens from the count would be unconstitutional. The question will be in the Supreme Courts hands. A bench that will have at least two trump appointees deciding the case, possibly a third. Next hour, well look at what a Justice Amy Coney barrett could mean for the census case if the senate fast tracks her to the court by the time the court begins to hear this case november 30th. On the other side of this quick break, child care during this pandemic and the fullon crisis now facing families. This is american voices. Smart. Smart. Just pick your protein, select your doneness, and let the grill monitor your food. It also turns into an air fryer. Bring outdoor grilling flavors indoors with the grill that grills for you. Go go go on a real vacation. Visit go rving. Com or your nearest rv dealer. Go go go on a real vacation. 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So we saw that the disproportionate burden of the unemployment rates were on women. Why, alicia . Because were overrepresented in the low wage, low skilled jobs that were the first to go. But whats really really scary that a lot of these jobs arent going to be coming back. We knew that automation with his going to be phasing a lot of the lowskilled jobs, but the pandemic hastened that process. This is not just a bad moment. Were going to get over this recession, this is a big systemic problem that needs a big solution. This is why this recession is different than recessions in the past because were bumping up on that Fourth Industrial Revolution on the automation that we see coming. Right. And part of what youre talking about here is the number of households where women are head of households. That includes 68 of black women, 41 of latinas, 37 of white women. Why do those numbers matter . Help us put into perspective which families were really talking about when we talk about this having an impact on families. Right. Well, lets start by pointing out that the supports for women before the pandemic, before the c session were not good. Suddenly were talking about a child care crisis, but you and i or any woman or father who has children knows how difficult it is to find affordable, highquality child care. First off, you got a bunch of women lose their jobs. And then for those women who are lucky enough to not lose jobs, they completely lost school, which is a form of child care. Child care Centers Closed least 50 nationwide. So the number you cited at the beginning of the segment where women dropped out of the workforce, they were forced out of the workforce because they had no one to take care of the kids and they had to make that decision. Thats whats so problematic in that we had this restricty hodgepodge system going and and its gotten worse. We need a comprehensive overhaul of what our child care system in america looks like because, frankly, its embarrassing. Were at the bottom of the barrel when it comes to our global peers, we spend the least on child care support, and it shows. Vicky, so much of what were talking about ultimately comes down to government response and building a structure where all these questions are addressed. But theres also the question of what happens inside of organizations, what happens inside of corporate america. Part of what were seeing is that you have women, particularly women in seniorlevel positions who are being forced out of the workforce, as you said, because they now need to dedicate themselves that has a long tail not just for the economic reality of that single woman or her family, but for the loss in leadership, the leadership gap that then shows up inside of those organizations. Yes. Right. I mean, this is across the board. So usually we think about recessions mainly hitting folks in the lower session, section status, poor, working class folks. In this case, its disproportionately hurting poor folks, especially poor women, but its also hurting women at the higher echelons whove been able to crack some of those glass ceilings. But because theyre having to supervisor the homeschooling of their kids, take care of their parents, take care of their family, theyre spread so thin that youre seeing this decision of women to leave. And im really, really worried that this is going to set women back decades. We have made so many strides in the last 50 years in gaining a foothold in the labor force. We s i think this has put us back many, many steps. Victoria, i assushare your concern and optimism about needing to do something that is bigger than any single individual solution. Victoria defrancesco, thank you so much for your time. 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The economy is consequentis one of the most important issues of the election. Phoenix, arizona, nbcs jo ling kent has the story. Reporter its the question that comes up every election. Are you better off now than you were four years ago . Were having our best year ever. I was better off four years ago, now it seems like everything is going downhill. Phoenix looks like the rest of the country where its a tale of two economies. Unemployment doubling in the last four years while housing prices skyrocketed 50 . Its this split that could be the deciding factor in how arizona votes. I had never been in this situation, like, how were going to pay for our bills. Reporter this medical assistant and her family considered themselves middle class, always able to provide for their two girls, 17 and 2. But when covid hit, she and her husband lost most of their hours at work, their income slashed and a half, causing them to fall behind on rent and utilities, feeding her family meant turning to a food bank for the first time. I feel useless with my family financially, you know . Its hard to know that you are about to get evicted. Reporter she is a registered independent and is still undecided. I did hear about how theyre going to take care of american people, you know . Theres people dying out there. Nobody is doing anything about it. Reporter right now debate in washington over how to help people like her is stalled. Its most unfortunate, and we will have a stimulus bill. I think we need another rescue package, but because of the pending election, we simply werent able to get together. Reporter despite the challenges, back in phoenix this Real Estate Agent has been thriving. Reporter how are you doing now versus four years ago . Were definitely better off. Reporter phoenix is experiencing its hottest housing markets in over a decade, brandnew homes selling as fast as theyre built with Interest Rates at record lows and many people now able to work from anywhere. Thousands of new buyers from across the country are flooding the market. And kim says with republican policies like low taxes and regulations, helping her business, shes voting for President Trump again. With the current economy and how things are going, it does give us a lot of confidence to continue down that road. Reporter when it comes to the economy, President Trumps major lead in the polls is sliding. Back in may, he led biden by 12 points. Now theyre tied among registered voters. And many who are doing well