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But the midpolitical choice rather than the expedient choice, rather than the hard petitions. Sometimes you have proof the consequences when its about integrity, when its about justice. Clearly there was no justice in texas today. This isnt just about texas. Donald trump, a campaign ally. He wasted no time encouragement paxton. Trump posted on social media, the texas House Speaker, a republican, should wasnt for, quote, pushing this disgraceful sham. As for paxton, it is back to work. The Austin Americanstatesman reports, the verdict reached so the day after a twoweek trial and the senate chamber, clear feet wait for apex didnt return to a position has brought national acclaim from the farright. Joining us now to discuss, nbc news correspondent priscilla thompson, tony plohetski, executed reporter, Investigative Reporter for the Austin American statesman, and Ruth Benghiat, professor of history at and like you. Shes the author of strongmen, from mussolini to the president. Priscilla, give us a rundown of how the vote went out and how the a. G. And his allies are responding to the acquittal . Alicia, we are seeing a lot of responses tonight. Ill start with what happens. The Gopcontrolled Senate handed down that verdict after hours of deliberation. As you mentioned, the votes largely fell on party lines, with the exception of those two republicans who joined democrats in voting guilty on a number of the 16 articles of impeachment, which include bribery, conspiracy, and disregard of official duties. And what folks may remember is that it was the republican controlled house here that originally voted to impeach. Clearly the republicans and the senate did not see it that way. Many of them saying, they felt like there wasnt enough evidence, this was rushed. But we also heard from the republican, from the house managers who led this investigation, say that were proud of the work they did. They stand by that work. And heres a little bit of what some of them had to say about what they witnessed today. The port of managers presented avoiding evidence that ken paxton is the most corrupt politician in the state of texas at this time. And the republicans in the texas senate just returned him to the office of top cop. I will rely on what i said to the texas house. God help us. And paxton and his attorneys were also responding. Paxton saying, and escarpment, the truth has prevailed and also saying, quote, the champagne corked about the bottom admonition with liberal House Speaker date failing end his Control Court has cost taxpayers millions of dollars, disrupt the work of the of of Attorney General, and if a dark and permanent state on the texas house. The weaponization of the Impeachment Process to settle political differences is not only wrong, it is immoral and corrupt. You mentioned, he is an ally of president trump. President trump congratulated him on truth social. And said this was a win. We are also hearing from paxton tonight, whos already promoting primary challenger to some of those senators who voted to impeach him. Alicia . Tony, you have ken paxtons air there this was all coordinated by the biden administration. So many of the people who stood up and testified and this case were republicans who had the republicans called into question. This trial remind us how we got here and how the trump serves as, ended up serving, as artist of gop loyalty. This actually all goes back to the fall of 2020. At the time, at number of whistleblowers, eight from ken paxtons office, and when i sit whistleblowers i want to explain what i made. We are talking about executive staff, who set at the righthand of ken paxton. They testified during this trial, during this tenday trial. And they told about joining his agency to help push ultraconservative christian values. They went to the fbi. They turned on him and october 2020, and said we believe, our boss, the Attorney General, is committing a number of crimes. Turning his office into, essentially, a law firm for one man. That mens and Austin Investor by the name of who by the, way was under fbi investigation himself at that time, and was subsequently charged with federal crimes over the summer. But ken paxton agreed to settle a claim with those whistleblowers for three point 3 million. He took that path to texas lawmakers earlier this year and the texas house, Lawmakers Said if we plan to settle this with tech spirit dollars, we must understand fully and broadly what can paxton is accused of. So they launched an investigation, and at the end of their investigation, it resulted in those 20 articles of impeachment against ken paxton. And the way in which this trial and become a taste of gop loyalty, tony . I think it absolutely underscored the infighting going on within the gop party in texas, but ultimately we know that those gop senators faced pressure. There was a political machinery fired up here in texas with money pouring in to preserve can pick them as Attorney General. And the attached threat, the senators they saw as vulnerable to voting against ken paxton, the threat that, yes, they would absolutely receive well funded challenge hours at their next election. Here is the thing, ruth. I take care about texas because i care about texas, but i also care about texas because it would seem to me in this case to be across some of what we are watching nationally. With saint donald trump attacked republicans like brett raffensperger, liz cheney for killing the truth about the 2020 election. Petulant allies are going after their fellow republicans, calling them rhinos, not actually engaging on the merits of what theyre sharing, but instead trying to undermine their parliament loyalty. In paxton statement, he called the texas House Speaker a liberal. How does this tactic help one of the autocrats stay in power, retain their power . This is part of the spiral of radicalization, that the gop is in right now, especially after january 6th. Where hugh have this Theory Ironclad party loyalty, no internal dissent. So i remind people, the gop in texas is one of the most extreme in the nation. And here is something that should be shocking to us. And i think about every day. Put that kind of just goes, and its a blip on the screen, that the texas gop passed a resolution in 2022, who are they even actually acknowledge or recognize bidens authority. They called him and illegitimate and acting president. And if you study coups, what, is biden going to be there for a little while . Hes acting . And ken paxton himself has said that biden being in the white house is the result of a, quote, overthrow. As though biden was the one who tried to have a coup instead of the gop. Tony, my question, of course, for you is for the leaves texas politics, right . If there is apex wound to what we have watched today. I think, absolutely, yes. Certainly, we anticipate that ken paxton will likely become more emboldened in his efforts to do all sorts of things. And again, push the state to the further right. But it is important to note that ken paxtons circle certainly not out of the woods. There is an ongoing federal investigation into his alleged conduct, based on many of these same allegations. He is still facing State Security Fraud charges here. In texas. And last but not least, he is the subject of two ongoing complaints to the texas bar that could result in some sort of sanction on his license. Priscilla and tony, thank you so much for breaking us the view of what happened today from texas. Ruth, you are sticking with me. Next, healthy bought an Impeachment Inquiry shows the politics of vengeance seeking throughout the republican party. Plus, The Big Move A judgment and the Trump Classified documents case that has before President Writing and raving to those who listen. But first to richard look the other big stories were tracking here on msnbc. . Richard illicit, good evening. Members of the United Auto Workers union are on strike and a Labor Contract between the union and detroits big three automakers. That is by friday. The strikes or focus and three manufacturing plants, and michigan, ohio, and missouri. Or chris would hire wages, a short work week, and better job security. Negotiations resumed today. Posttropical storm lee making landfall, in canada, leaving thousands without power this hour. The storm for hurricaneforce winds and heavy rain to the coast of nova scotia and new england. And a woman fell to her death after trying to climb over the u. S. Mexico border in san diego, friday. Little is known about her identity. 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A reminder, republicans have no evidence of fraud to him by the president during their months long investigation into Hunter Bidens business dealings. This is nothing to do with fall infected. Instead, this is political posturing to appease donald trump and his base of voters. In an interview this week, trump said, quote, they didnt reporting for the new times reads, quote, even without a fullthroated demand for bots impeachment, trump has described it as getting even with democrats for impeaching him. Hes gone for there to suggest republicans will be justified and responding to his 91 criminal charges by concocting indictments against democrats. It is not just House Republicans willing to defend trump. The first gop debate, six of his political problems raised their hands when they would back trump as the parties eventual nominee, even if hes convicted on his criminal counts. Nbc news has learned biden plans to deliver a Speech Outlining Threat to our democracy after the Second Chipeta bit later this month. Joining me now, eugene scott and professor Ruth Benghiat is back with us. Ruth, trump was impeached the first time for his detect to pressure ukrainian president Zelenskyy To Dig Up Dirt on the province and exchange for u. S. Military aid. I wonder what you make of what you could call a full circle moment here as House Republicans are now using the Impeachment Process to continue trumps this is what i call the upside down world of authoritarianism, where you accuse the enemy of what you, yourself, have done. But this Impeachment Top is also what i call garbage politics. Which is designed to distract from the republicans own corruption, of course, also creates, it is a smear tactic used by the kremlin to create negative associations about biden in the minds of voters. And in general create a sense of chaos and the endgame is to show that democracy does not work and biden is incompetent and we need i kind of strongman to come in and make the trends run on time. Garbage politics would be very funny if it were not so consequential. Andrew, and a new column for the washington post, gop Congressman Ken Buck rising, quote, republicans in the house who are itching for an impeachment are pulling on an imagined the evidence is not there. Speaker mccarthy decided to launch an Impeachment Inquiry anyway. Tell me where this is all heading. I had a republican senator tell me this past week that you cant really put the two things back in the tube when it comes to slipping an Impeachment Inquiry, because the summit didnt see any universe in which Kevin Mccarthy, james comer, and jim jordan would say after this inquiry, okay, buttons oakley, we dont need to move for impeachment. So theyre going to impeach joe biden. And the question is, for them politically, out of this play . And republicans were obviously trying to keep the House Majority in 2024. The conventional wisdom with mccarthy to win this was that it would help him politically. It would help with the freedom caucus. But it could end up losing republicans, the majority. Because you think of all those republicans who come from districts that president putin won in 2020 and in 2022 as well . Those are people who are not going to want to take this type of the. Its basically what Kevin Mccarthy declared by edict hes going to launch this inquiry, instead of putting on the floor as a vote to officially open one. Eugene, lets call it what andrew said there about effect the question here is of course politically. I cite not to gamify this in any way, but rather to say, if democracy and integrity of democracy is on the line, political consequences are one of the only forms of accountability that might actually give him to reconsider their path forward. It yougov poll funding 41 of voters think this is an allout ploy to embarrass President Biden. Just 28 think its a serious attempt to find out what really happens. And you recently heard from swing voters and pennsylvania. What is it that they make of all this . These individuals are very aware that this motivation of Kevin Mccarthys is rooted in being part illiterate towards democrats for impeaching donald trump. They made clear that they have not seen anything coming from the gop proving that biden needs to be removed from office. They believe that Kevin Mccarthy is trying to get favor, not just with the freedom caucus, but with donald trump, whos made it very clear he wants to see his party get back at democrats, for what he believes they did to him, for his actions that he doesnt own up to or justify, or should i say, inappropriate and worthy of being impeached. Its going to be really concerning, obviously, to many of his voters looking to the gop to actually make a strong case towards them for what they should swim back towards trump from button. And they certainly havent heard anything. Andrew, lets head on at layer to all of this because theres new analysis from the washington post. And patient proceedings were not meant to stop with theories. In a world upside down, its as though he is quoting from ruth, thats what mccarthy has done. Different reason for mccarthys decision to launch the inquiry was apparent to all. It was a about 200 members of his conference, demanding did this at a time when the speaker is caught up in an internal polling with those members over frantic the government by the September 30th deadline. The question is, now that he has kept on impeachment demands, the farright is signaling a shutdown. Thats inevitable. I just keep wondering, at what point can get mccarthy learns that there is no appeasing this faction of House Republicans . Yeah, thats right. In short, this didnt work. Watching an Impeachment Inquiry into joe biden by a tick didnt sway any of the concerns of these hard members, who say they are gunning for a shutdown regardless. A lot of them are saying, this is too little, too late, anyway. So like i said before, and feel that this could very well backfire on mccarthy politically, because youve got so many a Foreshock Majority to start. And secondly, all these members of his party who are, you know, relatively more moderate but also come from districts that President Biden won in 2020. So its going to be really tough for him to navigate this politically. And the funding to plan on September 30th. What reffet reporting, trump authoritarianism, ukraine aid could be the thing that causes the shutdown. Because Summit Republicans do not want to continue funding ukrainian military. Republicans in the house, at least. In the senate, you see Mitch Mcconnell and Chuck Schumer basically locking arms on this issue. The senate is going to try to jam the house with ukraine and as part of the stop that Government Spending bill. Mccarthys gonna have to make the decision as to whether he wants to set up to those hundred members who are really trying to cut off ukraine at this point. Ruth, what does that tell you, that that is the fish are . Yeah, thats also the loyalty to trump here is loyalty to the autocrats trump admirers and has been in lead with. And is supported by. And, you know, all of this also makes america look very bad in the eyes of the worlds. And that is including Tommy Tuberville holding military promotions. Its all designed to blood American Power at home and especially abroad. That should be a warning to everyone who cares about democracy. Its also about national security. Eugene, ive only got about 30 seconds left. But i do want to ask you. I feel it if you are most americans watching this, this is what the government does in september. They grapple with whether they are going to meet your funded, land . Right and the government can possibly work and can possibly deliver, right . I think that, and as much as its the question of the funding and with that impact, theres also this more meta question on what it means for a democracy when this is just the movie that plays out every year. Absolutely. And what voters told us is that republicans arent making a strong case that they should remain in control of the house. And when the senate and if the white house. Because they have really shown what they could do if they were in power. Based on what power they have right now in the house and held her chosen to use it. Focusing on an impeachments opposed to so many of the issues these swing for this segment as most of them. Which reminds me of what we heard from President Biden on the stump. They complain about my economic plan, show me yours. Andrew, eugene, ruth. As always, thank you so much for being with us. Next, Special Counsel filed a motion to get don trump to shut his mouth hes using. Trumps own words against him. And later, women in three states so im over restrictive abortion laws. Im going to speak with one of them. Stay with us. Stay with us s that the plan . dad well we gotta find some way to save. So say hi to glen. From work. glen hey. 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For the firsttime, partially could have a second at narrow quarter for donald trump. Special counsel jack smith is asking a judge to stop the former president from threatening witnesses or potential jurors in washington, d. C. Trump already under protective order in the maralago case. Not allowed to discuss any classified evidence with the public. Trump, however, is challenging his employees testimony. And an exclusive interview tomorrow on nbc, theres a portion of what he talked based be priced post i want to ask you about the case related to maralago. A new charge suggests u. S. West africa deletes record e camouflage did to do that . Thats false. Thats false . All you testified to that under oath . Its a fix charge by this deranged lunatic prosecutor, who did nothing and tried to destroy lots of lives. Hes a lunatic. So its a fake charge. But more importantly, the tapes words delays. There was nothing done to them. And that were my types. I didnt even have to give them the tapes, i dont think. I think i wouldve won in court. When they asked for the takes, i said sure. They are my tapes. I didnt even have to give them. Just so you understand, we didnt lose anything. Nothing with the least its. So thats false, people who testified . Number one, the summit is false. Much more importantly, when the tapes came, everybody says this, they werent delays. We gave him 100 . Remember, the allegations that trump asked for the tapes to populated, not that they were successfully deleted. That full interview will air on meet the press tomorrow morning, 10 30 am eastern on nbc. Made the press has also invited President Biden with walker. Joining me now, Attorney Christopher a partner at the law firm in connecticut. Chris, thank you for joining us. Talk to me about how the scheduled, or this narrow gag order might actually work and the challenges it presents. Its gonna be very difficult to enforce. Essentially, while the government asking for is eight preventing trump from engaging in speech that could be intimidating, threatening, or harassing witnesses. Normally you wouldnt need extra order for that because many people understand thats whats supposed to happen. I think the touch will be somewhat reluctant to enter this because hes gonna have to enter enforcement. She made every time trump sent up a tweet or sensed something off the cuff, at a speech, that could be directed at the prosecutor or jury pool, or potential witnesses, shes gonna have to haul him into court and make a decision about whether to increase the conditions of his bond. Potentially incarcerate him. I think its gonna be difficult. What i expect to happen is that the judge is going to have to make clear to trumps attorneys, this is really his last chance. And if he continues to echo the way he has, calling eject smith a lunatic, et cetera, maybe shell take more coercive action against him. But im sure the church is very true to anything that could legitimately result in trump making a claim to his audience and supporters that somehow this is all part of a rogue deep state operation. And i think the judge is going to be reluctant to do that. We anticipate we could see that as well. Trump, one of several defendants request a separate trump in fulton county, georgia. What could that mean for the timeline. Is there still a chance the president s move to Federal Court, do you think . Its possible. I think that Mark Meadows Effort to appeal the ruling that hes not going to be able to prove his case to Federal Court could potentially have some legs. But what i expect to happen is that in Federal Court, along with this to court, is going to recognize the credit are best left together in the state court that the criminal allegations against these people suggests that mark meadows and others were acting in that capacity as federal authorities, and affects their allegiance as alleged in the indictment were purely political. So i expect that, although well see additional delay at a result of these motions, ultimately these cases will be tried in georgia before a state court judge. That may be tried separately. You have this effort by Sidney Powell and Kenneth Chesebro to have their cases tried in october. I think the judge there has indicated it could be very difficult to try to have all untainted fans try. Them so you may have separate trials, in which multiple groups of defense attorney. Expected cases to stay in georgia. I need not tell you there are some republicans treating the criminal charges against hunter biden as equivalent to Donald Trumps four indictments. Tease apart for us why that does not actually add up. Well, if you cried it the allegations in all of the indictments against donald trump, that is four indictments in four different jurisdictions, what you hear is and man who is a walking crime spree. The most serious crime hes accused of committing is an effort to overturn a president ial election. And so it doesnt get much more serious than that. Hunter biden is currently charged with our offenses related to his purchase of a firearm. Hes accused of making two separate false statements on his application for the firearm and possessing a gun while he was addicted to substances. I should say, in my eight years as a federal prosecutor, many of which were spent Prosecuting Gun Violence and gang crimes, we never charge this. Most often because people who are suffering from addiction really need something other than a tenyear felony that are facing. And so this is a very unusual charged. Im surprised they brought it, especially because during the initial Plea Bargaining face it appeared that proponent to give Hunter Biden A NonProsecution Agreement on this jury charge. So i think were not even and the same ballpark when we talk about the loosening of crimes donald trump is accused of committing and what hunter biden stands accused of. Chris mattei, the thank you for being with us. Thank you for walking us through all of this. Next, a legal fight for Reproductive Rights. I talked to one woman some of the state of tennessee for its abortion ban. And later, at a time when science has never been so important, one group of teaching kids to invent and explore like your future depends on it. Depends on it. 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Eight women and idaho, tennessee, and oklahoma and conquered lifethreatening complications during the pregnancies. Prohibited from seeking abortions because of the state laws. One of them, Elie Phillips of tennessee joins us now. This is mark heron his organization is represented women in court. Thanks for being here. , even throughout your pregnancy, it wasnt viable, youre unable to receive an abortion in tennessee, traveled to New York City to receive the care you needed. What was the impact that had on you and your family . It was extremely difficult. It was traumatizing. It wasnt already a Motion Experience for us learning that we would lose our daughter to add on the pressure of heaven to find state that allowed mid term abortion, find flights, hotels, arranging care for our six year old daughter. It just added so much unnecessary stress to an already difficult situation and, you know, once i was back home i fell into if there were dark space because i didnt have time to grieve, you know, my soon to be lost child because i was bombarded with having to figure out logistics just to get health care. And so once i was able to breathe when i got back to tennessee, i just wanted to go to a very dark place with depression. Im so sorry that youve gone through this, and im sorry youve gone through this at the hands of your own government. Marc, for every woman like elliot as a doctor trying to do the right thing. We should note, the four ob gyns involved in this lawsuit as well. Talk to me about the pitiful top of our, and enthesopathy, running into an determining if someone needs a very narrow exception. Exactly right. What happened to allie is happening across states that have banned abortion. And as allies story shows, abortion is an Essential Component of Necessary Health care. Abortion bans that have criminal penalties, that criminalize doctors practice of medicine, are pushing pregnant people in danger all across the country. As you said, doctors are frightened of providing essential Abortion Care to their patients because theyre afraid of Running Afoul of these Abortion Bans and finding themselves either criminally charged or potentially losing their medical license. So thats why the center for Reproductive Rights filed a suit earlier this year in texas and then this week in tennessee, idaho, and an action and oklahoma because we are asking the court to clarify exactly when doctors are allowed to provide this essential Abortion Care under the narrow exemptions of the states Abortion Bans. Look what happens. Allie it shouldnt happen to anyone else. Doctors should be able to Practice Medicine in competition with her patients. Were trying to make sure it happens going forth and the states. Allie, this is a competition that for decades has been incredibly heated. Nationally. And the composition is really difficult when youre having up with a friend, and, ever someone his exit living with the reality of this policy. I wonder for you, havent been touched firsthand by these policies, what you think the national debates, the National Discourse on this is . I think they missed the fact that abortion isnt a one size fits all procedure. You know, the Pro Life Standpoint is it shouldnt be used as birth control. Thats their argument. And there are so many women out here that need it for a lifesaving reason. And i personally dont know anybody that uses abortion for birth control. I just fill up its three farfetched. But the reality of Abortion Care is like me and many other women, these were wanted pregnancies. You know, my husband and i, we try to can save, and we did. And wait plans to have a baby. And everything just went wrong. It wasnt anything that we did wrong. It wasnt and i think my thought that wrong. But at that point, i had to choose. Do i continue my pregnancy, no one that our daughters going to do anyways and put my own life at . Risk for to i just terminate so that way i know i can be here for my sixyearold daughter. And ive been fortunate with short must, or have had a lot of prolife people come to me and say, your story has changed my mind. I never thought about it like that. I always thought it was, you know, people using it for fun or whatever. And so i feel like stories like mine can reach more people and can open the conversation up for people that may have never thought of it like this. Right, marc, more and more people across this country are beginning to understand when you say a portions health care, really understand what that means. Planned parenthood is set to resume Abortion Services and wisconsin, monday, after a judge for the states abortion law does not ban consensual abortions. But the legal battle over abortion is not over and wisconsin. As you are someone who has legal cases and multiple states, as you watch whats happening in wisconsin, if it gives you a glimmer of hope that there is a legal path to fight back . It gives me hope is people like allie, who are stepping forward and telling their stories of exactly how Abortion Bans have been, have traumatized their lives and put their own lives and health at risk. And people operative, coming forward telling stories. The public is listening. Every single state that abortion has been on the ballots, in the last year, Abortion Rights have won. And i think well continue to see that happen. Look, we are fighting the battles, state by state by state, it is proliferating out. But that is where im getting my hope from, from people like allie. Allie, the word courage and strength, they were both used. And i agree. 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And libya, more than 10,000 lives were lost due to flooding from an unusually strong mediterranean storm. It forces the stakes on site education, beckoned with todays kids can study, understand how the world works, and understands how they can be better. Thankfully our next guests are encouraging the next generation of scientists to research and infant and courage and explore like your future depends on it. With me now, jenny buccos founder of explore, also cofounder of explore kari byron. Youve heard not as a former host of mythbusters on discovery. It is good to see you both. Jenny, since i have you and the studio, often with you. Tell me about this program. Explore is a streaming educational service. Found by myself, kari byron and andrew zimmerman, who you might remember combined, we have 60 Years Experience and creating factual program. And so what we do is we provide under ten minute Video Content to fill critical gaps and education. And to help kids understand how their education can be more real world relevance and relatable. And the majority of our content is stem related. And you have any partnership with the Department Of Education to create the you belong in s. T. E. M. Student challenged. What does that . Explore is running a National Stem challenge for a great 6 to 12. And we are testing Middle School and high schools with creating and innovating stem project that has the capability of solving global issues like future food, like health and medicine, climates, the climate emergency. They will submit these projects, potential to change the world but also positively impact peoples communities and the planets. I love. It so with a challenge, and the top selected projects will get to come to d. C. For the national Stamina Festival presented in partnership with the u. S. Department of education. I cannot wait to see what issue people come up with. Kari, air force thing about science is fun you know better than anyone, making science fun and engaging as crucial for programs like this. Especially talking about Middle Schools, highschoolers, when you see the drop off in stem. How to maintain that magic . Well, for me, the way i maintain the magic is, its magical for me. The one thing that always made me i was like cesspool was the fact that none of us were actually scientists. We were discovering along with the audience. So because i believe its fun, and the kids believe its fun, we are all exploring this together. Its one of those things, want to get your hands dirty at becomes more like art and playing, and it actually is something you might just write in a book. And Something Like the National Stem festival gives gets a chance to really, really put together projects that inspire them. To create the next generation of solution makers. I love. It i love the view from my kitchen where were doing a lot of acid and base work at this idea that theyre actually going to be students who are changing the worlds. I think a few and the effect that you have spent your professional career doing this, and yet this is a career unique moment that we find ourselves in, right . Sort of the question of science or believes in science is somehow under question. Somehow up for debate. And so i wonder, how you see young people, bringing young people into science. Being critical, always, but politically critical in those moments. It is critical always for a few things. There is no debate that science is political. Every time you walk into the voting booth, stamp and signs are on the ballot. Were voting for things like public infrastructure, voting for jobs bills. And a lot of times, those are stem related. So fostering kids understanding and Stem Literacy it makes us better citizens. Where this gets dangerous is when science is used as antiscience to promote political agenda. And i think thats what were seeing a lot of right now. But this idea that science and politics shouldnt be together, they absolutely should. Because it is just critical for us to solve these big challenges that our nation faces. That our faces. I love the idea of just becoming a bitter kari, ive got about a minute left. I wonder how you think National Challenges like the stimulant can help open peoples minds to the importance of not just science but Science Education . I have traveled all over the country with sciencebased television doing something things. I can tell you, we all have more like then different. We all want to be solution makers. We ultimate about future for a case. Hln letters really inspires kids by giving them that catalyst moment where they feel like they cant do this. They can have a career in stamp. They can move for it because we are honoring them and celebrating them. That Migrant Meghan to get involved. Ive only got ten seconds left. If people want to liberal, hala . Do National Stamp challenge. Com. Students movement over notable for. My daughter is too young, but i know she is copying town that you are. Well jenny buccos, kari byron, thank you both for spending time with us. Weve got more american voices after a quick break, and at the top of the hour on ayman, New York City control up bright later on the list hes bringing against fox news on behalf of the cities pension fund. That is eight pm eastern right here on msnbc. Here on msnbc. Birds flyin high , you know how i feel. Breeze driftin on. [coughing]. By, you know how i feel. If youre tired of staring down your copd,. Its a new dawn, its a new day. Stop settling. And im feelin good. Start a new day with trelegy. No oncedaily Copd Medicine has the power to treat copd in as many ways as trelegy. 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Be sure to follow the show on twitter, on instagram, and on tiktok. That is at alicia on msnbc. I will see you here tomorrow, 60 am eastern for more american voices. For now, i handed over to my colleague, ayman mohyeldin. Hello, payment. Alicia, its great to see you as always. Ive got to ask you before i let you go, what is the over under on Kevin Mccarthy retaining his speakership after this week with the way everything is going on that front . Dont you feel like weve been asking ourselves this question . I feel like ive been asking it since the day he became speaker. The only person whos asked that question more than you are eye is Kevin Mccarthy. Exactly. I think he wakes up every day wondering, is today going to be the day . Great show, as always, my friend. Good to see you. Enjoy the rest of your evening. Good evening to you. Welcome to ayman tonight. Some late breaking developments. Special counsel jack smith, formerly requesting a agog order to limit what donald trump can say about his federal election interference trial. Then Kevin Mccarthy is shrinking speakership. The republican leader, caving to the radical right with his impeachment push. And the intensifying efforts to block donald trump from State Ballots in 2024. My conversation oneonone with harvard constitutional law professor, laurence tribe. That is coming up soon. Im ayman mohyeldin, lets get started. So, developing late last night, the Special Counsel jack smith asked judge Tanya Chutkan to issue a gag order against donald trump prohibiting him fr