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And corruption. Just two gop senators broke with their party to vote for conviction. Texas senator a democrat, called out his republican colleagues lack of courage today on msnbc. What happened here was and a tossup. This was an easy bank shot. Every one of these republicans saw this evidence that they should have all voted for conviction, but they made the Political Choice rather than the expedient choice rather than the hard decisions. Sometimes you have to risk the consequences when its about integrity when its about justice. Clearly, there was no justice indexes today. Donald trump, ken paxton ally, wasted no time in congratulating paxton. Trump posted on social media the texas House Speaker republican should resign for pushing this disgraceful sham. Paxton is back to worth. He reports the verdict reached saturday after a twoweek trial in the senate chamber, clears the way for paxton, a three term republican, to return to a position he has used to advance and conservative agenda that has brought national claim from the farright. Joining us now to discuss, priscilla thompson, to bucky, Investigative Reporter for the Austin American statesman, and won by a professor of history at nyu. He is the author of strong men, from mussolini to give us a rundown of how the vote went today and how a. G. Paxton and his allies responding to this acquittal. Yeah, alicia, we are seeing a lot of responses tonight, but ill start with what happened. The Gopcontrolled Senate handed down that verdict after hours of deliberation, as you mentioned. The votes largely fell along party lines with the exception of those two republicans, who joined democrats in voting guilty on a number of those 16 articles of impeachment, which include bribery, conspiracy, and disregard of official duties. And what folks may remember is that it was the republican controlled house here that originally voted to impeach, but clearly the republicans in the senate did not see it that way. Many of them saying they felt like there wasnt enough evidence, that this was rushed. But we also heard from the house managers who led this investigation, saying they are proud of the work that they did. They stand by that work. And heres a little bit of what some of them had to say about what they witnessed today. The board of managers presented overwhelming evidence that ken paxton is the most corrupt politician in the state of texas at this time. And the republicans and the texas senate just returned him to the office of top cop. I will rely on what i said on the floor of the texas house, god help us. And paxton and his attorneys are responding. Paxton sane in a statement that truth has prevailed, and also saying, quote, the sham impeachment cordoned by knit Biden Administration with a liberal House Speaker dade phelan and his Kangaroo Court has cost taxpayers millions of dollars, disrupted the work of the office of attorney general, and loved a dark and permanent stain on the texas house. The weaponization of the Impeachment Process to settle political provinces is not only the wrong, it is a moral and corrupt. You mentioned he is an ally of president trump. President trump congratulated him on truth social and said that this was a win. Were also hearing from paxton tonight, who is already promoting primary challengers to some of those senators who voted to impeach him. Alicia . You have ken paxton saying there that this was all coordinated by the Biden Administration, and so many of the people who stood up and testified in this case were republicans who had their republican this called into question in the course of this trial. Remind us both how we got here, tony, and how this trial serves or ended up serving as a test of gop loyalty. This actually all goes back to the fall of 2020. And at that time, a number of whistleblowers, eight from ken paxtons office, and when i say whistleblowers, i want to say what i mean. We are talking about Executive Staff who sat at the right hand of ken paxton. They testified during this trial, during this tenday trial, and they talked about joining his agency to help push the same ultraconservative, christian values. They went to the fbi, though, they turned on them in october 2020. They said, we believe our boss, the attorney general, is committing a number of crimes, turning his office into essentially all law firm for one man. That man is nate paul, who by the way, was under fbi investigation himself at that time and was subsequently charged with federal crimes over the summer. Ken paxton agreed to settle a claim with those whistleblowers for three point 3 million. He took that two texas lawmakers earlier this year, and in the texas house, lawmakers said, if we plan to settle this with taxpayer dollars, we must understand fully and broadly what ken paxton is accused of. So they launched an investigation, and at the end of their investigation, it resulted in those 20 articles of impeachment against ken paxton. And the way in which this trial ended up becoming a tester gop loyalty, tony . I think it absolutely underscores the infighting that is going on within the gop party in texas. But ultimately, we know that those gop senators faced pressure. There is political machinery fired up here in texas with money pouring in to preserve paxton as attorney general and the attached threat the senators they saw as vulnerable to voting against ken paxton. The threat that, yes, they would absolutely receive well funded challengers in their next election. Heres the thing, ruth. I care about texas because i care about texas. But i also care about texas because it seems to me in this case to be a microcosm of what we are watching nationally. Weve seen donald trump attacked republicans like georges brad raffensperger, liz cheney for telling the truth about the 2020 election, paxton allies, they are going after their fellow republicans, calling them rhinos, not actually engaging on the merits of what they are sharing but instead trying to undermine their partisan loyalty. And paxtons story man, he called the texas House Speaker a liberal. How does this tactic of one of the autocrats stay in power, retain in power . Yeah, this is part of the spiral of radicalization that the gop is in right now, especially after january six. Where you have this very our ironclad party loyalty, no internal dissent. I remind people that the gop in texas is one of the most extreme in the nation, and here is something that should be shocking to us. And i think about it every day. But it kind of goes, and its a blip on the screen, that the texas gop passed a resolution in 2022 that they dont acknowledge or recognize bidens authority. They called him in illegitimate and, quote, acting president. And if you study , bidens just gonna be there for a little while, hes just acting . And ken paxton himself has said that biden being in the white house is the result of a, quote, overthrow, as though biden was the one who tried to have a coup instead of the gop. I mean, tony, my question of course for you is where the sleeves texas politics, right . If there is been a backswing to what we have watched today . I think, absolutely, yes. We certainly anticipate that ken paxton will likely become more emboldened in his efforts to do all sorts of things, and again, pushed the state to the further right. It is important to note that ken paxton is certainly not out of the woods. Our own reporting confirms that there is an ongoing federal investigation into his alleged conduct based on many of the same allegations. He is still facing State Security Fraud charges here in texas. And last but not least, he is the subject of two ongoing complaints to the texas bar that could result in some sort of sanction on his license. Priscilla and tony, thank you so much for bringing us the view of what happened today from texas. Ruth, you are sticking with me. Next, how the Biden Paceman Inquiry shows how the politics of Vengeance Seeping throughout the republican party. Plus, the judge made a big decision in the donald trump documents case that has the former President Ranting and raving. With the other big stories we have here on msnbc. Richard . Alicia, good evening to you. Members of the eua w are on strike. And a Labor Contract between the union and detroits big three automakers. That expired friday. The strikes are focused at three manufacturing plants, thats in michigan, ohio, and missouri. Workers want higher wages, shorter work, week and better job security. Negotiations resume today. Those Tropical Storm really making landfall in canada, leaving thousands without power this hour. The storm brought hurricaneforce winds and winds to the coast of nova scotia and new england. And a woman fell to her death after trying to climb over the u. S. Mexico border and san diego on friday. Little is known about her identity. Immigration advocates say at least 16 falling deaths like this were recorded at the border and san diego since 2019. More american voices after this break. 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The first gop debate, six of his political problems raised their hands when they would back trump as the parties eventual nominee, even if hes convicted on his criminal counts. Nbc news has learned biden plans to deliver a Speech Outlining Threat to our democracy after the Second Chipeta bit later this month. Joining me now, eugene scott and professor Ruth Benghiat is back with us. Ruth, trump was impeached the first time for his detect to pressure ukrainian president Zelenskyy To Dig Up Dirt on the province and exchange for u. S. Military aid. I wonder what you make of what you could call a full circle moment here as House Republicans are now using the Impeachment Process to continue trumps this is what i call the upside down world of authoritarianism, where you accuse the enemy of what you, yourself, have done. But this Impeachment Top is also what i call garbage politics. Which is designed to distract from the republicans own corruption, of course, also creates, it is a smear tactic used by the kremlin to create negative associations about biden in the minds of voters. And in general create a sense of chaos and the endgame is to show that democracy does not work and biden is incompetent and we need i kind of strongman to come in and make the trends run on time. Garbage politics would be very funny if it were not so consequential. Andrew, and a new column for the washington post, gop Congressman Ken Buck rising, quote, republicans in the house who are itching for an impeachment are pulling on an imagined the evidence is not there. Speaker mccarthy decided to launch an Impeachment Inquiry anyway. Tell me where this is all heading. I had a republican senator tell me this past week that you cant really put the Toothpaste Back in the tube when it comes to slipping an Impeachment Inquiry, because the summit didnt see any universe in which Kevin Mccarthy, james comer, and jim jordan would say after this inquiry, okay, buttons oakley, we dont need to move for impeachment. So theyre going to impeach joe biden. And the question is, for them politically, how does this play . And republicans were obviously trying to keep the House Majority in 2024. The conventional wisdom with mccarthy to win this was that it would help him politically. It would help with the freedom caucus. But it could end up losing republicans, the majority. Because you think of all those republicans who come from districts that president putin won in 2020 and in 2022 as well . Those are people who are not going to want to take this type of the. Its basically what Kevin Mccarthy declared by edict hes going to launch this inquiry, instead of putting on the floor as a vote to officially open one. Eugene, lets call it what andrew said there about effect the question here is of course politically. I cite not to gamify this in any way, but rather to say, if democracy and integrity of democracy is on the line, political consequences are one of the only forms of accountability that might actually give him to reconsider their path forward. It yougov poll funding 41 of voters think this is an allout ploy to embarrass President Biden. Just 28 think its a serious attempt to find out what really happens. And you recently heard from swing voters and pennsylvania. What is it that they make of all this . These individuals are very aware that this motivation of Kevin Mccarthys is rooted in being part illiterate towards democrats for impeaching donald trump. They made clear that they have not seen anything coming from the gop proving that biden needs to be removed from office. They believe that Kevin Mccarthy is trying to get favor, not just with the freedom caucus, but with donald trump, whos made it very clear he wants to see his party get back at democrats, for what he believes they did to him, for his actions that he doesnt own up to or justify, or should i say, inappropriate and worthy of being impeached. Its going to be really concerning, obviously, to many of his voters looking to the gop to actually make a strong case towards them for what they should swim back towards trump from button. And they certainly havent heard anything. Andrew, lets head on at layer to all of this because theres new analysis from the washington post. And patient proceedings were not meant to stop with theories. In a world upside down, its as though he is quoting from ruth, thats what mccarthy has done. Different reason for mccarthys decision to launch the inquiry was apparent to all. It was a about 200 members of his conference, demanding did this at a time when the speaker is caught up in an internal polling with those members over frantic the government by the September 30th deadline. The question is, now that he has kept on impeachment demands, the farright is signaling a shutdown. Thats inevitable. I just keep wondering, at what point can get mccarthy learns that there is no appeasing this faction of House Republicans . Yeah, thats right. In short, this didnt work. Watching an Impeachment Inquiry into joe biden by a tick didnt sway any of the concerns of these hard members, who say they are gunning for a shutdown regardless. A lot of them are saying, this is too little, too late, anyway. So like i said before, and feel that this could very well backfire on mccarthy politically, because youve got so many a Foreshock Majority to start. And secondly, all these members of his party who are, you know, relatively more moderate but also come from districts that President Biden won in 2020. So its going to be really tough for him to navigate this politically. And the funding to plan on September 30th. What reffet reporting, trump authoritarianism, ukraine aid could be the thing that causes the shutdown. Because Summit Republicans do not want to continue funding ukrainian military. Republicans in the house, at least. In the senate, you see Mitch Mcconnell and Chuck Schumer basically locking arms on this issue. The senate is going to try to jam the house with ukraine and as part of the stop that Government Spending bill. Mccarthys gonna have to make the decision as to whether he wants to set up to those hundred members who are really trying to cut off ukraine at this point. Ruth, what does that tell you, that that is the fish are . Yeah, thats also the loyalty to trump here is loyalty to the autocrats trump admirers and has been in lead with. And is supported by. And, you know, all of this also makes america look very bad in the eyes of the worlds. And that is including Tommy Tuberville holding military promotions. Its all designed to blood American Power at home and especially abroad. That should be a warning to everyone who cares about democracy. Its also about national security. Eugene, ive only got about 30 seconds left. But i do want to ask you. I feel it if you are most americans watching this, this is what the government does in september. They grapple with whether they are going to meet your funded, land . Right and the government can possibly work and can possibly deliver, right . I think that, and as much as its the question of the funding and with that impact, theres also this more meta question on what it means for a democracy when this is just the movie that plays out every year. Absolutely. And what voters told us is that republicans arent making a strong case that they should remain in control of the house. And when the senate and if the white house. Because they have really shown what they could do if they were in power. Based on what power they have right now in the house and held her chosen to use it. Focusing on an impeachments opposed to so many of the issues these swing for this segment as most of them. Which reminds me of what we heard from President Biden on the stump. They complain about my economic plan, show me yours. Andrew, eugene, ruth. As always, thank you so much for being with us. Next, Special Counsel filed a motion to get donald trump to shut his mouth. Hes using trumps own words against him. And later, women in three states suing over restrictive abortion laws. Im going to speak with one of them. Stay with us. Stay with us. bridget with Thyroid Eye Disease i hid from the camera. And i wanted to hide from the world. For years, i thought my t. E. D. 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All you testified to that under oath . Its a fake charge by this deranged lunatic prosecutor, who did nothing and tried to destroy lots of lives. Hes a lunatic. So its a fake charge. But more importantly, the tapes words delays. There was nothing done to them. And that were my types. I didnt even have to give them the tapes, i dont think. I think i wouldve won in court. When they asked for the tapes, i said sure. They are my tapes. I didnt even have to give them. Just so you understand, we didnt lose anything. Nothing with the least its. So thats false, people who testified . Number one, the summit is false. Much more importantly, when the tapes came, everybody says this, they werent delays. We gave him 100 . Remember, the allegations that trump asked for the tapes to populated, not that they were successfully deleted. That full interview will air on Meet The Press tomorrow morning, 10 30 am eastern on nbc. Made the press has also invited President Biden with walker. Joining me now, attorney christopher mattei. A partner at the Koskoff Koskoff bieder law firm in connecticut. Chris, thank you for joining us. Talk to me about how the scheduled, or this narrow gag order might actually work and the challenges it presents. Its gonna be very difficult to enforce. Essentially, while the government asking for is preventing trump from engaging in speech that could be intimidating, threatening, or harassing witnesses. Normally you wouldnt need extra order for that because many people understand thats whats supposed to happen. I think the touch will be somewhat reluctant to enter this because hes gonna have to enter enforcement. She made every time trump sent up a tweet or sensed something off the cuff, at a speech, that could be directed at the prosecutor or jury pool, or potential witnesses, shes gonna have to haul him into court and make a decision about whether to increase the conditions of his bond. Potentially incarcerate him. I think its gonna be difficult. What i expect to happen is that the judge is going to have to make clear to trumps attorneys, this is really his last chance. And if he continues to echo the way he has, calling jack smith a lunatic, et cetera, maybe shell take more coercive action against him. But im sure the church is very true to anything that could legitimately result in trump making a claim to his audience and supporters that somehow this is all part of a rogue deep state operation. And i think the judge is going to be reluctant to do that. We anticipate we could see that as well. Trump, one of several defendants request a separate trump in fulton county, georgia. What could that mean for the timeline. Is there still a chance the president s move to Federal Court, do you think . Its possible. I think that Mark Meadows Effort to appeal the ruling that hes not going to be able to prove his case to Federal Court could potentially have some legs. But what i expect to happen is that in Federal Court, along with this to court, is going to recognize the credit are best left together in the state court that the criminal allegations against these people suggests that mark meadows and others were acting in that capacity as federal authorities, and affects their allegiance as alleged in the indictment were purely political. So i expect that, although well see additional delay at a result of these motions, ultimately these cases will be tried in georgia before a state court judge. That may be tried separately. You have this effort by Sidney Powell and Kenneth Chesebro to have their cases tried in october. I think the judge there has indicated it could be very difficult to try to have all untainted fans try. Them so you may have separate trials, in which multiple groups of defense attorney. Expected cases to stay in georgia. I need not tell you there are some republicans treating the criminal charges against hunter biden as equivalent to Donald Trumps four indictments. Tease apart for us why that does not actually add up. Well, if you cried it the allegations in all of the indictments against donald trump, that is four indictments in four different jurisdictions, what you hear is and man who is a walking crime spree. The most serious crime hes accused of committing is an effort to overturn a president ial election. And so it doesnt get much more serious than that. Hunter biden is currently charged with our offenses related to his purchase of a firearm. Hes accused of making two separate false statements on his application for the firearm and possessing a gun while he was addicted to substances. I should say, in my eight years as a federal prosecutor, many of which were spent Prosecuting Gun Violence and gang crimes, we never charge this. Most often because people who are suffering from addiction really need something other than a tenyear felony that are facing. And so this is a very unusual charged. Im surprised they brought it, especially because during the initial Plea Bargaining face it appeared that proponent to give Hunter Biden A Non Prosecution Agreement on this jury charge. So i think were not even in the same ballpark when we talk about the litany of crimes donald trump is accused of committing and what hunter biden stands accused of. Chris mattei, the thank you for being with us. Thank you for walking us through all of this. Next, a legal fight for reproductive rights. I talked to one woman suing the state of tennessee for its abortion ban. And later, at a time when science has never been so important, one group of teaching kids to invent and explore like your future depends on it. So i didnt think i needed swiffer, until, i saw how easily it picked up my hair every time i dried it only takes a minute. 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Eight women and idaho, tennessee, and oklahoma and conquered lifethreatening complications during the pregnancies. Prohibited from seeking abortions because of the state laws. One of them, Allie Phillips of tennessee joins us now. This is marc hearron, his organization is representing women in court. Thanks for being here. Allie, even though your pregnancy, it wasnt viable, youre unable to receive an abortion in tennessee, traveled to New York City to receive the care you needed. What was the impact that had on you and your family . It was extremely difficult. It was traumatizing. It wasnt already a Motion Experience for us learning that we would lose our daughter to add on the pressure of heaven to find state that allowed mid term abortion, find flights, hotels, arranging care for our six year old daughter. It just added so much unnecessary stress to an already difficult situation and, you know, once i was back home i fell into if there were dark space because i didnt have time to grieve, you know, my soon to be lost child because i was bombarded with having to figure out logistics just to get health care. And so once i was able to breathe when i got back to tennessee, i just wanted to go to a very dark place with depression. Im so sorry that youve gone through this, and im sorry youve gone through this at the hands of your own government. Marc, for every woman like elliot as a doctor trying to do the right thing. We should note, the four ob gyns involved in this lawsuit as well. Talk to me about the pitiful top of our, and enthesopathy, running into an determining if someone needs a very narrow exception. Exactly right. What happened to allie is happening across states that have banned abortion. And as allies story shows, abortion is an Essential Component of Necessary Health care. Abortion bans that have criminal penalties, that criminalize doctors practice of medicine, are pushing pregnant people in danger all across the country. As you said, doctors are frightened of providing essential Abortion Care to their patients because theyre afraid of Running Afoul of these Abortion Bans and finding themselves either criminally charged or potentially losing their medical license. So thats why the Center For Reproductive Rights filed a suit earlier this year in texas and then this week in tennessee, idaho, and an action and oklahoma because we are asking the court to clarify exactly when doctors are allowed to provide this essential Abortion Care under the narrow exemptions of the states Abortion Bans. Look what happens. Allie it shouldnt happen to anyone else. Doctors should be able to Practice Medicine in competition with her patients. Were trying to make sure it happens going forth and the states. Allie, this is a competition that for decades has been incredibly heated. Nationally. And the composition is really difficult when youre having up with a friend, and, ever someone his exit living with the reality of this policy. I wonder for you, havent been touched firsthand by these policies, what you think the national debates, the National Discourse on this is . I think they missed the fact that abortion isnt a one size fits all procedure. You know, the Pro Life Standpoint is it shouldnt be used as birth control. Thats their argument. And there are so many women out here that need it for a lifesaving reason. And i personally dont know anybody that uses abortion for birth control. I just fill up its three farfetched. But the reality of Abortion Care is like me and many other women, these were wanted pregnancies. You know, my husband and i, we try to can save, and we did. And wait plans to have a baby. And everything just went wrong. It wasnt anything that we did wrong. It wasnt and i think my thought that wrong. But at that point, i had to choose. Do i continue my pregnancy, no one that our daughters going to do anyways and put my own life at . Risk for to i just terminate so that way i know i can be here for my sixyearold daughter. And ive been fortunate with short must, or have had a lot of prolife people come to me and say, your story has changed my mind. I never thought about it like that. I always thought it was, you know, people using it for fun or whatever. And so i feel like stories like mine can reach more people and can open the conversation up for people that may have never thought of it like this. Right, marc, more and more people across this country are beginning to understand when you say a portions health care, really understand what that means. Planned parenthood is set to resume Abortion Services and wisconsin, monday, after a judge for the states abortion law does not ban consensual abortions. But the legal battle over abortion is not over and wisconsin. As you are someone who has legal cases and multiple states, as you watch whats happening in wisconsin, if it gives you a glimmer of hope that there is a legal path to fight back . Well it gives me hope is that people like olivia who are telling their stories of exactly how Abortion Bans have been, have traumatized their lives and put their own lives and health at risk. People are brave, theyre coming forward and telling the stories, and the public is listening. Every single state that abortion has been on the ballots for the last year, Abortion Rights have this will continue to happen. Look, we are fighting a Battle State By state, by state. It is proliferating a battle. This is where im getting my hope from, people like ali. The word courage and strength were both used and i agree. I appreciate you and what it takes for you to come on National Television and share the story over and over again. 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What we do as we provide under ten minute Video Content to fill critical gaps and education, and help kids understand how their education could be more real world, relevance, and relateable. The majority of our content to stem related. I love that. You have those new partnership with the Department Of Education to create the you belong and stem student challenge, what is that . Explore is running a National Stem challenge for grades six through 12. We are tasking Middle School and High Schoolers with creating and innovating Stem Projects that have the capability of solving global issues like future food, healthy medicine, climate. They will submit these projects, so potential to change the world, but also positively impact peoples communities and the planet. I love it. We have a challenge, and the top selected projects will get to come to d. C. For the National Stem festival puts scented in partnership with the u. S. Department of education. I cannot wait to see what these young people come up with. I have a little, so everything about science is fun to them. You know better than anyone, making signs fun engaging is crucial to programs like this. Especially when youre talking about these groups, Middle Schoolers, highschoolers. When you see the drop off and stabbed. How do you maintain that magic . Well, for me, the way i maintain the magic is that its magical for me. Something that made mythbusters so successful is the fact that none of us were scientists. We were discovering along with the audience. Because i believe its fun, and the kids believe its fun, were all exploring this together. Diane says one of those things, what do you get your hands dirty, it becomes more like art and plain. It actually is something you might just read in a book. Something like the nationals stem festival gives kids a chance to really put together projects that inspire them, create the next generation of makers. I love the view from my kitchen where were doing a lot of acid and base work to this idea that there are actually going to be students who are changing the world. I think of you and the fact that you have spent your professional career doing this, and this is a very unique moment that we find ourselves in, right . The question of science, or belief and science is somehow under question as somehow it for debates. I wonder how you see young people, bringing young people into science, whos being critical always but especially in this moment. Its critical always for a few things. There is no debate that science is political. Every time you walk into the voting booth, seven and science are on the ballot. Were voting for things like public infrastructure, were voting for jobs bills. A lot of times, those are stem related. Fostering kids stem understanding and stem literacy makes us better citizens. Where this gets dangerous as one sciences used as antiscience to provoke a political agenda. Thats what were seeing a lot of right now. The idea that science and politics shouldnt be together, they absolutely should. It is critical for us to solve these big challenges that our nation faces, that our world faces. I love the idea of becoming a more astute citizen. Carey, i have about a minute left. I wonder how you think National Challenges like the Stem Challenge can help open people s minds to the importance of not just science, but science education. They have troubled a level of the country besides television doing exciting things. We all have we want to be solution makers, we want to make a Better Future for our kids. A challenge like this really inspires kids by giving them that catalyst moments where they feel like they cant do this. They can have a career instead, they can move forward, because we are honoring them and celebrating them. That background makes me want to get involved. Only of ten seconds left. If kids want to learn more, where they go . 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