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Secretary betsy devos who does not have a background in either education or medicine said its time to go back to school. Kids need to get back to school. They need to get back in the classroom. Families need for kids to get back in the classroom. And it can be done safely. I know for fact that there are many schools that have been working hard to put together their plans for moving ahead. And we want to see every school district, every state, doing the same thing. To say not what we cant do but what were going to do and what we can do. Were a country of action and doers and we need people to work hard and figure this out. Joining me now senator Debby Stabenow of michigan, a member of the budget and finance committees. Senator, when you hear by the way before we start i want to say congratulations on your new show. Im so excited for you. Its going to be great to see on at that time. Oh, thank you so much, senator. Thats very kind of you. Thank you very much. When you listen to betsy devos who has never had any belief in Public Schools. She seems to prefer private religious schools to Public Schools ordering along with the president ordering third and fourth graders, High School Students to go back to school even though we havent done the work in this country that countries in europe going back to school have done. I mean, what is your reaction to that . Well, it just is another in a series of outrages, joy. And when i think about this, you know the president cant just bully or tweet that schools are going to be safe. We have to do the work as you said. And if they were serious, they would have passed my bipartisan bill that i introduced two weeks ago. Called the reopen School Safety act. We would have done it before Mitch Mcconnell decided that the senate should be on recess for two weeks. You know, im talking to teachers, superintendents, all across michigan. We are running out of time to get them the resources to be able to do this correctly. We have got to make sure our teachers have protective gear, bus drivers. The custodians, everybody working with children. That the schools the classrooms are distanced appropriately. That they address whats happening in the cafeterias, the buses and so on. That takes resources and the way we fund schools has because its going to the economy theres less revenue available at the state. So the money is going down for regular School Operations and we know now nationally theyre estimating close to 2 million to keep our kids safe. So our kids are worth it and they need to do more than just be talking. They need to join us to actually do something. And your bill as you mentioned would you know provide for the cost of keeping kids safe, of keeping the lunch ladies, everybody else safe. The Editorial Board said the federal government must open the checkbook. And the installation of physical barriers in common areas, increased cleaning and daily health checks. The necessary protective measures would cost 1. 8 million for an average district of eight schools with more than 13,000 School Districts in the United States, the total really adds up. You know, theres two pieces to this question. One part of it is will Mitch Mcconnell as you said, you guys are in recess, bring the senate back to pass the money . It is already almost mid july. Theres not a lot of time to retrofit schools to make them as safe as a meat packing house. Theyre already trying to retrofit. You saw the big fight that your governor had with people in the state bringing guns to the capitol to protest having to wear masks. Theres a lot of people that are sort of the antivaxxers of covid and refuse to participate and refuse to accept the science including the president. How can you open school at all when we havent gotten through the pandemic . First of all, youre absolutely right. The only way to reopen schools and the economy, since the very beginning, its been getting our arms around the pandemic. And what do we need to do to manage it . Until we get the vaccine. And let me remind you, we need to remind people all the time, january 20th was our first public case of covid, same day as south korea. They tested 40 times more people than we did. Our president said it was one case. Did almost nothing for three months and put us in a situation, majority of the lives lost did not have to happen and now were here again because theres no national strategy. And what do we do for our children and for schools . So we come back july 20th. And we should be passing this bill july 20th because the reality is if we do what im guessing Mitch Mcconnell will o do, hell take the next three weeks, we are in session according to his calendar until the end of the first week in august. Hell run it up to the deadline and then here well be. Here we will be where schools are trying to figure out what to do. Most go back in michigan after labor day. Some in other places of the country go back in august. And nothing will have been done. And so you cant put children and teachers and everyone that is involved in our children in this kind of a spot. Theyre putting them in impossible situations again. And we know our children need to be going back to school. They want to go back to school. Parents, grandparents, everybody wants that to happen. But shame on the federal government if its not done in a safe way. Yeah. Well said, senator. Well be praying for your michigan schools. You guys are better off in states like florida. At least you have actual leadership in your state. Thank you very much. Have a wonderful rest of your weekend. Lets bring in the president of the National Educational association and Jamaal Bowman a candidate for congressman from new york. He actually won his seat in new york and will be headed to congress this week and hes a principal of a middle school. Thank you both for being here. I want to start with you. In europe they have gotten a handle on covid19. They have done what theyve needed to do in places like italy, even in england where they had some struggles. These countries can reopen the schools because they have done step one which is control the virus. New york has done a really good job of getting it under control. You saw the leadership by the new york governor but i think of a state like florida and think of liberty city, predominantly black and brown communities, where they dont even have enough books and resources and computers for kids. How on earth will schools like that be able to retrofit appropriately . If my team can put up the picture of the school classroom. Kids are on top of each other. How do you get a third grader to socially distance from their friends on the black top . That doesnt happen. How can this possibly happen and what will you say to betsy devos if she agreed to talk with us this morning . So that classroom looked like the year i had 39 people in the classroom. Heres the thing. If you took a list of all of the things that the countries that donald trump was talking about, they opened schools in denmark and germany and australia and said heres what they did, states like texas and florida are doing the exact opposite. Youre absolutely right. The first thing, homework, they made sure the infection rates were constantly down. Denmark the day that donald trump used denmark as an example had ten new cases and the United States had 55,442. So first of all, its apples and bowling balls theyre trying to compare here. But heres another thing. And i hope that enough senators were listening to senator stabenow because we need federal help. A business needed federal help in this pandemic. We supported the c. A. R. E. S. Act. That was help for our childrens families. Our students families. Why cant we have the very same consideration as shake shack got . When denmark and germany and the rest of them opened heres what they did. With a national response. National strong leadership. They made teachers and support staff essential emergency workers. They came to the top of the list for testing and tracing and treatment. We had access they had access to the masks, distance none of that is being made available in american Public Schools. Just threats of taking your federal funding. By the way, federal funding for Public School, thats your special ed funding. Thats your school lunch funding. Just do it. Wave the magic wand and do it. I just have i just have to say, they have no plan. Donald trump, betsy devos they have no plan. All they have are threats. But full teachers and principals and School Boards all around the country right now are not waiting for an answer from donald trump and betsy devos. We have been working day in and day out to say how could we create and use this space, how could we creatively shift kids . These would be temporary measures to say, get those kids some of what they need in person and education. But having someone come up and say, ill bully you, please, please under no circumstances take education or medical advice from donald trump or betsy devos. Teachers, principals, School Boards were the ones that have to solve this problem but we need help. Yeah. You know, mr. Bowman, you know, you have been a principal. You know what this is like, how difficult it would be to get students to socially distance. We know how young people are. Theyre social creatures, it will be very difficult. So the American Academy of pediatrics, theyre concerned about Remote Learning being a problem. Theyre concerned about increased social isolation. Theyre worried about those impacts. Of course their main interest most severely black and brown children and low income children and those with learning disabilities so they said it would be good to get kids back in school. But you as a former principal, youre running a school this coming fall what would you need in order to reopen schools and would you for instance feel comfortable reopening in florida where disney world is reopening again. Some of the kids might have been at disney world and yelling and screaming on the roller coaster and getting covid and sharing it. Would you feel comfortable opening . No, even here in new york where we flattened the curve i would not feel comfortable. We need the full resources of the federal government. We need to bring the full resources to bear on our resources across the country. I would not feel comfortable sending my child to school. We need to pass the heroes act to make sure the resources are made available. We need to retrofit the school building. We need to increase ventilation. We need to hire more teachers and we need to be innovative to use spaces throughout our city and state that arent being used to make sure we keep class sizes as small as possible. We need to mandate masks, we need to increase our cleaning and make it more efficient and better. There are so many things to do but it start with resources from the federal government. If i were still a principal and we did not get the resources, i would refuse to open my school. And i would work with our parents to organize against reopening because, you know, as we said before, parents want kids back in school. Grandparents want kids back in school, i want my two kids back in school but im not risking my children under the incompetence of the federal government. We need their full resources to bear. Absolutely. It is amazing to me that you could possibly mandate kids and lunch the people that work in the lunchroom, janitors, put all of those people in danger and not have a mask mandate thats completely upside down and backwards. If my children were still school age they would not be going back. Thank god i dont have to deal with that, theyre big. I dont have can i correct something . Yes, sure. Sure. The academy of pediatrics were appalled at how the Trump Administration misused their their information. The first thing they said is you dont even think about this until the infection rate would not put kids in danger. They did not quote that part of the research and the academy of pediatrics has joined the ama in saying that you dont have to sacrifice a Childs Health or their social Emotional Development in anything else. Were all on the same page. Thank you very much for that correction. Very important to get that under control. Because yeah, clearly thats their primary focus is childrens health. Thank you very much. Be safe and be well. Coming up, a. M. Joy legends will be on the other side of this break. Joy legends will be on the other side of this break ok like we wont wait were taking everything we wanted we can do it all strength, no sweat a lot of folks ask me why their dishwasher doesnt get everything clean. I tell them, it may be your detergent. Thats why more dishwasher brands recommend cascade platinum. With the soaking, scrubbing and rinsing built right in. For sparklingclean dishes, the first time. Cascade platinum. Im sitting here today in the u. S. Capitol talking to our elected professionals, talking to our elected professionals is proof you made the right decision 40 years ago to leave the soviet union and come here to the United States of america in search of a better life for our family. Do not worry, i will be fine for telling the truth. One of the key witnesses in the impeachment of trump, Alexander Vindman announced his retirement this week. Vindman was set to receive a promotion, but government officials became concerned that the white house would intervene to block it. But vindmans courage in speaking truth to power has secured his place in the history books. Im struck by the word dont that phrase do not worry. You addressed to your dad. Why do you have confidence that you can do that and tell your dad not to worry . Congressman, because this is america. This is the country i have served and defended. That all of my brothers have served and here right matters. Joining me now, malcolm nance, contributor and author of the plot to betray america. Sarah kendzior, and Naveed Jamali, author of how to catch a russian spy. Thank you all for being here. The new yorker has called it trumps impeachment revenge. That vindman has been bullied into retiring, secretary of defense esper was told. To dig for misconduct that would justify blocking his promotion. They couldnt find anything. His fate got caught up in the future of the more than 1,200 officers awaiting promotions. Here is what senator duckworth had to say about his retirement. Oh, im reading it. Im listening for a sound bite. Vindman sets a dark new precedent that any commander in chief can interfere with routine based promotions while upholding the oath of office. Malcolm nance, im giving the first commentary on all of this to you. Well, of course, donald trump is corrupted the entirety of how the military carries out military justice. We have seen this. He pardoned and interferes with military legal proceeding against a guy who was up on crimes for war crimes. He actually pardoned and commuted sentences of convicted war criminals. He put his finger deeply down the chain of command to commit retaliation against vindman and others and the precedence this sets is the commander in chief can carry out criminal acts with impu impugnty. These are the things they accused obama of doing against flynn. And so to carry this out against a brave soldier of vindman who stood up for the honor of the United States is no new thing. What should be a new thing is that when the Trump Administration is defeated, because all of you are going to go out and vote this november, that colonel vindman be given a very high position. I dont know, under secretary of state for man power or at the secretary of Defenses Office or at the state department so he can continue to serve this nation. It is a sad state of affairs when the commander of chief is attacking a very heroic member of the unified military. Im going to your fellow navy man, Naveed Jamali on this one. Hes not doing it alone. The Republican Party tries to wrap itself in the flag and in military support and, you know, they revel like in the broad support they generally get from members of the military. But here is fox news. People on fox news attacking this man. Here they are. Here we have a u. S. National security official who is advising ukraine while working inside the white house apparently against the president s interests and usually they spoke in english. Isnt that kind of an interesting angle on this story . I find that astounding and, you know, some people might call that espionage. Im of irish descent, i love irish and he has an affinity for his homeland. Hes from the soviet union. He emigrated here and he has an affinity toward the uranian people. I mean, naveed, pretty stunning. This man is an immigrant. Theyre mocking him for that. Theyre trying to make him sound like a spy. They are belittling his service. Your thoughts . As a son of two immigrants who served this nation, i have a lot of thoughts and ill probably im going to censor myself for a second. Im going to do something we should do which is when they go low, lets go high for a second. When we talk about alex vindman and what he did, youre right. He was promoted on the army side. The promotion list is at the white house and it was going to go to congress. What vindman did is his last act in uniform i think speaks to just the decency of who this plan is. Rather than risk a political fight that would have held up the promotion of 1,200 other officers who had no fight in this battle. He did something that was truly selfless. He retired. And when i think about decency, when i think about just doing the right thing, when i think about morality and ethics, what an amazing act and selfless act to do as your last act in uniform. Its a way not only to deprive the Trump Administration of this battle that they very much sought, you know, trump has always been someone whos punitive and likes to reach out and punish individuals. He denied that. But really he did it because he wanted to be selfless and help his fellow soldiers and make sure that they suffered nothing because of him doing the right thing and i just think that that speaks to his honor, his integrity and speaks to immigrants, right . This is something because youre an immigrant doesnt mean you dont love this country any love and you cant serve it with honor, courage and commitment. In these dark times, joy, it brings a tear to my eye. I think its a decent act and worth reminding all of us there are decent people and most americans understand morality. They understand ethics. They understand what is right. And thats exactly what he did here. Yeah. Just i rewatched hamilton and whats the line in it . Immigrants we get the job done. Get the job done. Yes. I have got available to me a sound bite from john bolton trying to support Alexander Vindman but im not going to play it because to hell with it, he should have testified before the impeachment committee. Nothing he could say to me in a book or in an interview that i would have any interest in whatsoever. Please go away, mr. Mustache. Let me go to you, sarah kendzior. Someone who is brilliant during the impeachment which is one adam schiff who led the arguments against impeachment. Here he is talking about colonel vindman. Its tragic that he should be compelled to retire for these reasons. But he has earned the admiration of millions of americans, and hes got a Bright Future in front of him. Theres work that we need to do. I think there should be Inspector General investigation by the Defense Department into the circumstances behind this compelled retirement, behind that campaign of bullying, that he refers to. Sarah, please do in your brilliant fashion as you always do, put this whole sordid affair into context for us based on the authoritarian character of this president. Yeah. I mean, hes carrying out all of the classic tactics of authoritarian rule and as i said many times including on this show this is a Transnational Crime Syndicate masquerading as a government. They think that trying to install a plutocracy from the moment he came into out of. One thing not brought up yet about vindman it was not just vindman whos singled out and punished and humiliated and retaliated against. They went after his brother, his brother who is also part of the u. S. Military and that is a classic tactic of authoritarian rule. When they know that you will not buckle under pressure, they will go after your family. And it goes hand in hand with the installation of ivanka trump and Jared Kushner in the white house. This is how crime families and kleptocracies operate and youre right, this is something that john bolton should have spoken about during the impeachment hearings. I think he should be subpoenaed again, there should be hearings about this and there should be hearings about a lot of things. The less you push back, the more people like vindman and others get hurt. Marco rubio said shame on them, who cares, none of his party is standing up to him, but Lieutenant Colonel vindman will go down as a Great American hero. Donald trump not so much. Yes, were out of time, malcolm . I just thought of the job for colonel vindman. U. S. Ambassador to the ukraine. Hey, hopefully, the biden team is listening and if he wins, its a good idea. Maybe undersecretary of defense. Malcolm nance, Naveed Jamali, sarah kendzior. Thank you very much. Coming up, more a. M. Joy after the break. Coming up, more a. M. Joy after the break. Mornings were made for Better Things than Rheumatoid Arthritis. 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This is the president of the United States last hour at the Walter Reed National military Medical Center here in washington, d. C. Hes actually wearing a mask. Finally. Only the second time we have seen him do so. Americans woke up this morning and saw the leader of a country with 3. 2 million citizens infected with the lethal virus put on a darn mask. Now before you jump to the conclusion that trump is finally embracing science and taking the pandemic seriously, listen to what he thinks about wearing a mask. I may not have a problem. I had a mask on, i liked the way i looked. It was a black, dark mask, i thought i looked like the lone ranger. Yes. His memory of his childhood might be fuzzy. The lone rangers mask went over a completely different part of his face, but its widely viewed as racist toward native americans. Its good that someone finally convinced trump to cover that very active spreader of misinformation of potential germs. 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I look like a wanted poster. I didnt have time to get my beard routine in this morning, so. What beard routine . Ah. Well, the key is maple nectar. Gives it that sheen. Is there something wrong with my screen . Mnhmnh. Jamie, what are talking about . Youre right, alan. We should be talking about bundling home and auto with progressive, not this luscious mane of mine. [ laughs ] jamie, do you know what a beard is . What would you do, joy, if you were locked up in the Detention Center and your choices were papers that said im going to deport to get out of this place where i might die or go to the place where i might die in one of the most dangerous cities along the southern border in the United States. Thats a choice that we are presenting as a country to our migrants. Covid19 continues to tear through u. S. Immigration Detention Centers. Isis confirmed at least 3,000 positive detainees. And nearly half of the employees at a Detention Center. Nearly half in arizona have tested positive as well. Citing the severity of the crisis i. C. E. Was given a deadline to release the children held or the more than 20 days. Theres no such order for the release of the childrens parents and the Trump Administration is fighting to keep those parents detained. Joining me is the journalist and author of perfectly you and maria teresa kumar. Mariana, to you first. This is the Marshall Project investigation that was done, an investigation by the New York Times in collaboration with the Marshall Project reveals how scatter shot testing turned i. C. E. Into the global spreader of the virus. They spoke to more than 30 immigrant detainees who described cramped Detention Centers where social distancing was impossible. It was like a time bomb said a cuban immigrant held in louisiana and to this very point, reuters is reporting in july that migrants are so terrified being in detention that they are actually choosing deportation to avoid getting covid. As somebody who covered this extensively, your thoughts. Lets begin with a very simple statement, joy, that i dont think the Trump Administration understands or doesnt want to understand when it comes to little brown migrant children. Children are always better off with their parents. Children are always better off with their parents. You and i covered the family separation crisis in 2018 on the ground. You and i saw the kind of trauma that these separations subjected these kids to. And now using a pandemic and these horrific conditions that they themselves created in these Detention Centers that a u. S. District judge called were on fire and said there was no time for half measures, now as jacob said youre not only subjecting parents to make this impossible situation of having to stay there or going back to their home countries, youre making parents choose because the separation has to be done with the parents consent making them choose between keeping their kid in the covid hot spot or being separated from them. It is wholly unethical and unamerican and let me finish by saying if we can free people like roger stone, they released Michael Cohen to the Upper East Side i think we can release the families together. I think we can release lawabiding asylum seeking parents who have every right to be with their children. Herehere. Donald trump to that very point, you know, maria teresa is releasing actual felons because he thinks, you know, they might get covid or tell on him. Here is the buzz latest buzzfeed reporting as of friday. This is sick. The Trump Administration told a judge that i. C. E. Should not release parents and children who have been detained together. Attorneys for the Trump Administration said the court should deny a motion for preliminary injunction, and going to the Washington Post as of july 7th. They might still separate families after a federal judge orders i. C. E. To free these children. Migrant advocates said i. C. E. Is giving parents just as marianna just said the acceptable choice of agreeing to separation to protect their kids or staying together at a greater risk. This is a sophies choice that theyre giving the parents. Its sadistic. I dont have another word for it. Your thoughts . We started to recover this, as you recall, of the covid epidemic that was happening, raging through i. C. E. Detention centers in the middle of march. This is not a surprise. The fact that 20 of facilities are infected should be a code red for everyone. But lets remind the American Public your viewers, seeking asylum is not breaking the law. Yet, we have mass incarceration of these families and we are creating family separation 2. 0 that is far more severe than what we saw. Lets remind our audience too that close to 2,000 children had yet to be reunited from the first family separation. And we have a growing constituency of americans who recognize that, what the president is doing is not only cruel, but cruelty is his point. When you allow him to equivocate, you know, releasing roger stone, but even thinking about releasing a child that is still nursing and separate them from their mother, that causes longterm trauma, but more distinctly all hes doing is galvanizing his base and saying im as cruel as you can imagine, because these individuals are vulnerable and what can they do for me . That is the problem. Yeah. Its horrifying, but, you know, marianna talk about this. You have covered, you know, these some of the countries where these migrants are fleeing from. And so what happens if you have asymptomatic people who choose to be deported out of fear of getting covid, but which are infected with covid. What does then do if they return to guatemala actually covid infected and we havent done enough testing even of the general population let alone the migrant populations. What kind of care could they even expect and what could happen if they then bring the virus to those countries . If the asymptomatic people theyre deporting, but before getting on the deportation flights have said im sick. I have been to haiti for reporting several times who said, i am sick, do not deport me and they still put him on the airplane. Theyre putting the poor countries in the sophies choice scenario because theyre essentially threatening their financial aid, what they have to feed and educate their people if they dont take these sick patients. So that number one, is not what we stand for as a country. Secondly, youre absolutely right, were sending people to places that dont have adequate mad cat care for them. That dont have the adequate tracking measures to be able to track these patients. What has happened . These people because they are unsafe in their home countries are going back to the border and are threatening our border communities. Last night preparing for your show this morning, i spoke to helen perry the executive director of Global Response management in the tent city and she said theyre tracking right now 1,808 coronavirus cases and they were covid free before june 25th. Because of the deportations, now theyre almost at 2,000 cases. And joy, many of these individuals when theyre getting sent back are basically going into countries that are already are failed systems. Thats why they left. President trump promised the individuals ventilators and the ventilators have never showed up. But they are on purpose transporting and creating a Global Pandemic even worse by sending people who are tested positive for covid back into the failed countries. Very quickly, before we go, maria teresa, we talk about the pending explosion of the young latinx vote and in places like texas and colorado, this is going to be a huge and overwhelming vote. Is this crisis enough to trig their vote to get to scale or a close to scale this november . Were sort out of time, but very quickly. We just did a poll released on friday. Health during the pandemic and racial inequity are the two things driving the young people, and the Biden Campaign needs to get their act together. We have people clear and present and the Campaign Needs to talk their language and im not talking spanish. They have to get it together. I can tell you one person who is going to be on the voter rolls this november because i happen to know shes a newly minted citizen, mariana atencio. Welcome to the family, mama. A lot of people are making that decision. Yes, a lot of people are making that decision so congratulations to you. I read your piece on that. Congratulations to you. I cant this is a win for all of us. For all of our my sisters. Thank you very much. I appreciate you both immensely. All right. Thank you. Meanwhile, as the coronavirus pandemic continues to spin out of control Donald Trumps poll numbers take a nose dive. We are starting to see signs, little hints, little murmurs, little cracks in his base, even at fox news. Keep it right there for more a. M. Joy after the break. It e a. M. Joy after the break t kn. But were all going at our own speed. At enterprise, peaceofmind starts with our complete clean pledge, curbside rentals and lowtouch transactions. With so many vehicles of so many kinds, you can count on us to help you get everywhere you want to go. Again. Whenever youre ready, were ready for you. Enterprise. Its velveeta shells cheese versus the other guys. 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Ask your doctor about the pill first prescribed for ra more than seven years ago. Xeljanz. An unjection™. Well, its time to talk about donald john trump. Okay. Yep. Okay. Are you all right there, buddy . Hope hes okay. Good morning, welcome back to a. M. Joy. It definitely seems like republicans are having a harder and harder time supporting donald trump. Wisconsin congressman Glen Grothman got choked up saturday while speaking at wisconsins inperson Gop Convention where most attendees were not wearing masks. Seems smart. But even as it gets tougher to justify supporting a president like trump the folks over at fox news have been right on narrative with their dear leader, at least on air. Theyre down playing the severity of the pandemic and pushing for schools to reopen even as covid19 cases and deaths soar nationwide. It sounds like a covid a. M. G armageddon, stay in your house and never leave. Many schools that do plan to reopen will do so under a series of restrictions that have no basis of any kind in science, its a kind of bizarre health theater. Students will be kept 6 feet apart, everyone will have to wear a mask, dallas size will be limited. The kids benefit in school, life is full of risks, kids should learn that early, life is full of hurdles, got to find a way to overcome. This is not ebola, its the coronavirus. Health theory. Its not ebola. Three people died of ebola in the United States. Off air as it becomes more and more evident that the walls are closing in on trump and his dwindling reelection prospects. Several fox news hosts have been privately breaking ranks. According to reporting from vanity fair during a private dinner it he home of roger ailes widow fox host Laura Ingraham told guests we have to be prepared for trump losing. Much to the dismay of the far right and probably donald trump judge Jeanine Pirro wearing actual masks on his instagram page, a flashy display of support trump was resisted up until yesterday. Joining me is timothy obrien, author of trump nation, jonathan capehart, gabriel sherman, msnbc contributor, jennifer rubin, opinion writer at the Washington Post and david corn. Another mega panel. We love it. Let me go to you, gabriel, first. From your tone, vanity fair, perhaps anticipating that fox news could pivot in a posttrump media environment, ingram said shes been in talks to take over for Rush Limbaugh, recently revealed his stage 4 lung cancer may force him off the radio. Laura is interested in rushs job a person close to ingram said. Is that the plan, that basically they would just pivot to the hector joe biden strategy if donald trump were to lose rather than the worship at the feet of donald trump as if he is the golden calf . Well, joy, you know, i think what i find fascinating is all of these fox news personalities are seeing the same polls that we in the Real World Community are seeing, you know, just this week Scott Rasmussen had his at his lowest ever Approval Rating since he became president. So privately they are all making plans for a postdonald trump future. What i find also fascinating is to really look at what the fox news empire will do, the murdoch family, which still controls fox news, is going to have to make a business decision whether to go down the drain with donald trump to the bottom or make a strategic break from him to try to chart a posttrump republican future. I think these conversations i know are playing out as we speak, we just saw over the weekend fox news rebuke Tucker Carlsons head writer for a series of misogynistic and racist social media posts and so theyre trying to clearly draw some sort of line, the question is will they erase trump from that line. To stay with you just for a minute, gabe, they rebuke him for that, but hes writing for a show whose core narrative is that immigrants are filthy and dirty and in they move near the house theyre going to burn your neighborhood to the ground. He used to write for the Tucker Carlson created daily caller. This is like not like secret views that were like shocking, i cant believe he would say that and he works for Tucker Carlson. How secret could this right . Isnt the narrative right now that immigrants are filthying up the country and covid isnt real. Its weird. Internally what are they saying there . Are they saying they dont want that to be the image . This has always been the dance at fox news, joy, they have a line and when they cross over a perceived line that advertisers boycott or just find indefensible they try to walk it back a little bit with a binge and nod. Im not saying Tucker Carlson fundamentally changing the style of programming on his show, but they are trying to send a signal to the Business Community that people who spend millions of dollars to advertise on fox news its okay, we dont approve of this, just dont look at the other things were putting on the air. Right. Is Jeanine Pirro going to be rebuked internally for wearing a mask on her social media . And showing whaewearing that no, we saw that the other day on fox and friends they were trying to appeal to donald trump saying masks are great again. This is a case where even fox news sees that donald trump is clinging to reality that people this trump states, you know, fox news viewers, are the ones who are seeing the highest spike in covid cases. Correct. Correct. Exactly. Lets play that for a second. This is fox and friends i will read it, fox and friends host urges trump to wear a masks. Masks are great again says steve ducey. Theyre trying to convince him its cool, donald. If you do it well do it, now he wears it under his nose. All his people will be like thats how you wear t trump style. Jonathan capehart, let me go to you, my friend. Before you answer on this i know youve been in contact with john lewis family. I want you to take just a second and update us on that. Whats going on with john lewis . It was terrifying yesterday, the stories and the chatter that the great congressman from georgia had passed away. That was not true and it is continues to be not true. Congressman lewis according to his chief aide i texted with this morning says that the congressman continues to rest comfortably at home in atlanta. So that is that is good news. I was out on a walk yesterday when i started getting the texts and i had to stop in my tracks because john lewis is for those who dont know is the last the last surviving speaker from the 1963 march on washington. So he is our last living link to that fantastic moment in american history. Hes still with us. Yeah, absolutely. Please keep us updated on that. Thats a very important update. We really appreciate that. Let me go to you on this subject of just sort of fox and the world. So fox news is still doing a thing on the air where theyre down playing the severity of the covid crisis, but as gabriel points out its now red states and republican run states and states with trump worshipping governors like in florida and texas that are seeing the pandemic just explode. Arizona. Where places like new york that have reasonable rational governors or maryland that has a rational republican governor its going down. Can they survive this narrative if its their own people theyre ultimately jeopardizing . Well, no. They cant. We have been watching sort of two worlds play play off against each other. Youve got the happy talk earth two world that President Trump has been living in trying to say that the virus will magically disappear or it will disappear if you drink disinfectants or bleach or the cases will go from 12 to 5 to 0, it will magically disappear. To the reality of the governors and local officials on the ground who are dealing with exploding hospitalizations, exploding positive case rates and rising death rates. You saw red state governors im thinking of Governor Desantis in florida who was lecturing new York Governor Andrew Cuomo months ago about how what was happening in new york was not going to happen in florida, and now its happening in florida. Theres only so long these governors can continue to say to their people that this is a fake when that this is false and fake news when their citizens are lining up in their cars for hours on end trying to get tests and then once they find out theyre positive there might not be a hospital bed for them and then there might not be any treatment for them. Right. So those governors are now in the middle of a world of hurt that they should have been prepared for. Yeah. You know, jennifer, i have to go to you and i apologize to make you have to answer for the Republican Party but you are my only former republican that i know of guest here. Can you explain this to me because i have never understood why you would run for office and want to be a governor, be a Public Servant and then essentially condemn your own constituents to sickness and maybe death. I dont understand ron desantis. I dont get it. This guy is reopening disney world, he is demanding that kids go back to school all because he must please donald trump, again, its that golden calf narrative. He wore ships trump, so that if trump says no i say no. I dont understand why you think you could, a, get reelected doing that because people are going to die and second do you not understand that you are condemning your own supporters . Right . Because the democrats in your state are going to be like were not going to follow you. By, joy, you are under the misconception that these people run for office to do good, to help people, to solve problems, and, in fact, they are there for their own generation, for their own celebrity and it is far more important that they keep their audience than their constituents happy. These people are in an ideological nevernever land and in order to keep themselves in Good Standing they have to wreak havoc on their own population. Thats why you see them devolve into just denial because what else are they going to do . And even when people are dying, this is the sickness of a cult which has become the Republican Party, the Republican Party thats become a cult, is that even when people are dying, they still stick to this narrative because that is their reason for being, for being part of this conservative media universe in which they get pats on the head, they get rewarded, they get cheers for sounding like donald trump. And, of course, the realization is its a dead end and i would keep your eye on texas. Whats happening in texas, you saw greg abbott, one of the most ferocious Trump Supporters who has now instituted a statewide ban on masks. You have polling coming out that slowly the texas electorate is shifting to the democrats. If that happens the Republican Party is through and i think keep your eye on tacks because i think that is a Tipping Point both for the virus and for the Republican Party. Yeah, and there is a poll out this morning we are going to be talking about a little bit later in the show that has got to be unnerving for texas republicans. Tim obrien, you know, donald trump has always, you know, if you look at all the everything youve written about him, what Tony Schwartz has said about him, he has wanted always to have this absolute power. He has this mussolini impulse, this authoritarian impulse. Well, now he is leading what, you know, is sort of a doomsday cult and is this sort of has he kind of reached peak trump dream . Is this what he wanted . Well, you know, i dont think trumpism is going to go away, joy. I think, you know, its a symptom, its not a cause. A lot of the stuff thats been unleashed in the trump era in this very tactile tangible way around, i think, racism and income inequality has decades old roots in this country. Trump is just an expression of what happens when it collides with reality and it collides with the wellbeing of most americans, particularly americans of color and working class americans who lack some of the other defenses against this more privileged americans have. You know, sarah palin was an expression of this. Trump just took it to its logical extreme. He is not someone who is going to willingly give up the spotlight, you know, fox, you know, as we spoke about earlier in the program, helped open this pandoras box, but i think when trump if trump doesnt get reelected in november i think hes going to make a play for another Media Company like Sinclair Broadcasting or he will try to start one of his own because he cant exist outside of the spotlight. Fortunately for all of us Mother Nature and the black lives movement came along and gave this big dose of reality to an administration and an approach to the world that denies objective reality and denies the idea that Public Institutions can help solve problems, and now theyre dealing with the consequences. I think theyre going to have an electoral wake up in november thats going to introduce generational change because of this, but i dont think trumpism is going to go away. No, i definitely agree with that. He could just buy oann which seems to be the next logical step. This he already are on his line. He could do that and have his small but angry group of supporters. David corn, i used to say back in the day that the logical president for what the Republican Party was clearly merging into was Rush Limbaugh. They should just elect Rush Limbaugh president , he makes sense because that is what he believes is what the party believes, whether they say it out loud or not. Theres now talk that the next the 2024 president ial candidate could be one Tucker Carlson. That seems very logical to me. That that is where the party is headed. The next step beyond trump if this is where theyre going they might as well nominate Tucker Carlson. That seems fairly logical to me. What are your thoughts . Well, it might be logical but remember there are demographics at work here, too. Right . Trump is popular with a certain part of the segment of the population, they are older, they are whiter, less educated and they are to be frank about it dying off. The demographic trends in this country do not favor trumpism as an electoral force. I mean, tim is right, whatever it is whether its 30 of the country, 33 , maybe high 30s, low 40s are people who buy trumps authoritarian impulse, his hatred, his bigotry, his racism, misogyny, but that is not a majority and its not an increasing part of the population. So the Republican Party seems at this point, like jen said, its a death cult, its a sun belt party that it doesnt expand and find new types of voters, its not going to go anywhere. So, yes, yes, tucker, please run. You will be, you know two words for you [ inaudible ] i mean, thats what he has to look forward to. Ideological the Republican Party is indeed fox, fox is state television, but what happens when you dont have the state and your state tv, what happens when you dont have the voters and you want to be a bigoted or authoritarian like trump. Its not going to work out. Jonathan laughed the loudest, im going to go to you first and then im going to go to gabe. Look, it worked this south africa. Im being honest. The Republican Party go and read the history of the national party, the national or nationalist party in south africa, its the same party as the Republican Party in the United States. Its about white interest politics and white grievance politics and fear of losing power to a brown or black majority. That is the Republican Party now. Mitch mcconnell can pretend he is the masked man, that he is the biggest advocate of masks, no one believes that, they just know he got his 200 judges so he doesnt give a damn about trump anymore because he got what he wanted out of trump, all those judges that keep the powerful empowered for the next 40 years. Now that he has 40 years of power in the bank now hes like wear a mask. No one believes him. Anyway, go ahead, jonathan. Where do i go after that . Im sorry. I take your point with the south africa analogy and as i was listening to you talk about that just now and also i believe you mentioned it yesterday on your show which i found really interesting, the one thing we have in the United States going for us is very strong institutions that will push up will push back against the at least i hope against the authoritarianism that were seeing right now. We wont get to the point of south africa. I take and i take solace in the fact that the Supreme Court let me speak for myself. I wasnt quite sure the Supreme Court would stand up for the rule of law and push back against the president , especially when you have a president of the United States who says, well, ive got my two justices on the Supreme Court. Right. Translation, theyre going to do what i want them to do. What i want, yep. Right. But with the lgbtq decision, the abortion decision, the two decisions on his tax records and whether, you know, the president is supreme, the Supreme Court came back and said no. Put the president in check. And that is the thing that gives me hope and solace that the United States will not go the way of south africa. But, you know, hope springs eternal. Jonathan, demand for hope. Last word from you, gabriel sherman, is Tucker Carlson going to run in 2024 . Isnt that the logical conclusion of where were going here. He has a built in audience, hes going to run, right . If i had to bet i would say no. Tucker carlson splits his time between florida and maine. He very rarely goes out where there is a lot of people around. He has a very nice life for him as he monetizes this trump cult. To put yourself in the scrutiny and the riser of having to run for president is much harder than what he has to do now and frankly he has a lot in some ways as much power now as being president because the things he says every night in television go directly into the white house. If i was a better man id say hes not going to run. Interestingly. I bet hes spending a lot more time in rural maine than florida because he has to keep Tucker Carlson safe. They say a lot of stuff about dont wear a mask but i guarantee the murdochs, all those people have masks on and nobody goes near them. Thank you all very much. Coming up, our next guest might have a thing or two to say about trumps roger Stone Community tags. Your final a. M. Joy moment of maxine is next. Your final a. M. Joy moment of maxine is next i have moderate to severe pnow, theres skyrizi. Your final a. M. Joy moment of maxine is next. To tation your final a. M. Joy moment of maxine is next yeah thats all me. 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Com, and schedule your demo today. Roger stone knew he was going to get a pardon. Roger stone has been Walking Around with the same my daddy owns your daddy smirk since 1976. This was a pardon of selfpreservation and everybody knew it was coming so the only relevant question is what are democrats going to do about it if they ever take power again. It has been another whirlwind of the week in the land of donald trump from commuting roger stones sentence on friday night to a flurry of Supreme Court case that is could mean big trouble for trump, particularly once he is not president. But you heard elie, what are the democrats going to do about roger stone, trumps taxes and holding the president accountable for his blatant selfpreservation. Joining me now for your moment of maxine, one of our favorite segments on a. M. Joy, california congresswoman Maxine Waters chair of the House Financial Services committee and always super fashionable. Thank you so much, congresswoman. I want to play for you roger stone. Here he is touting his commutation versus being pardoned. Here he is. Weve also appealed the ruling on my conviction. So i had i had a choice of a pardon or a commutation im happy to have the commutation because i want to clear my name. Im happy to fight it out and i am happy to i would like to win a new trial and vindication. Your thoughts, congresswoman. Well, you know, this is absolutely outrageous that the president of the United States could be so brazen as to, you know, commute and pardon his friends who are protecting him. Its in your face. But the president of the United States does not care about what we think. He really does believe that he has Unlimited Power and theres nothing we can do about it. The only thing that we could have done about it was to make sure that he was impeached and that the senate made sure that they agreed with us and that he would no longer be president of the United States of america, but the senate, the republicans, you know, have not lived up to their responsibility. They have literally been intimidated, theyve been complicit, theyve allowed this president to defy us, the constitution and everything else. So this brazenness, in your face, is a way that the president has defined himself and roger stone is laughing at all of us. Yeah, you tweeted no surprise trump commutes roger stones sentence. Before Trump Leaves Office he will en skro sure his crooked friends are free to commit treason. You know, what do you make of mitt romney coming out and calling this commutation absolute corruption . He voted on one count to convict donald trump on one count of impeachment, but do you take seriously any republican umbrage at the commutation given, as you said, that they refuse to remove him . Well, romney has increasingly, you know, been out disagreeing with the president , criticizing the president. I think that he has stepped out far enough for us to understand that he has broken with the president of the United States and that he feels a little freer now to criticize him. I believe that he is serious about it. Yeah. Kristen clark had a tweet as well and this was one that really just it struck me, broke my heart when i read it, but this is i think a real true facts that you will know, congresswoman having lived as a black woman this this country. Roger stone found guilty by a jury on seven federal criminal counts. No jail time. Kalif broader accused of stealing a backpack couldnt post bail, spent three years at Rikers Island awaiting trial, ultimately committed suicide after release. We have two Justice Systems in our country. This is the reason that the black lives Matter Movement has taken hold. That there are two systems of justice for the rich, the poor, the white, the black. What do you make of those who are still to this day criticizing black lives matter such as senator kelly loeffler. What do you make of that, that they are still doing that . I think you said it earlier today when you talked about this need for trump and those who support him to want to, you know, have absolute power and to believe that it is their right and their responsibility to ensure that blacks and people of color and others do not rise to any level of influence and power, significant that would cause them not to be in total charge of the country. So that young man is typical of so many young black men and women who have been sent to jail, who have been convicted, who have served long sentences. This Justice System is broken, it has never really been in our favor and it has basically been responsible for ensuring that we could never ever get beyond this suppression and this oppression that has been forced upon us for so many years. So those who criticize black matter black lives matter, they can continue to do that, but i want to tell you the time has come now where we are joined by so many others who really were not there for us in the past. You saw it in all of the protests where you had whites and blacks and asians and old and young all saying something is wrong with this country. Something is wrong with our criminal Justice System. Something is wrong with our policing. And it is racism. I remember a time when we couldnt use the word racism. As a matter of fact, they would accuse us of playing the race card if we talked about racism. But i think now we have an opportunity for change and for those who are resisting it, were going to run right over them and were going to continue with what we have to do to be able to live in this country under a constitution that guarantees us equality and justice. So let them keep talking. Let them keep resisting. Black lives matter is not going anywhere. Its going to get bigger, its going to get more people involved and you are going to see those letters of black lives matter all over the country on major streets in america. I love seeing it in washington and in new york. Congresswoman Maxine Waters, role model and also wonderful congresswoman. Thank you so much. Really appreciate you. Always love having a moment of maxine on the show. Thank you so much. So pleased to be with you this morning and im looking forward to seeing you in your new role. Congratulations. Congratulations to msnbc. Youre so deserving. Thank you. We are so proud. Thank you. Thank you, congresswoman. I really appreciate that. Always appreciate you. Thank you. More a. M. Joy after the break. Thank you. More a. M. Joy after the break. [indistinct radio chatter] vo audi etron. The next frontier of electric. Welcome back. Well, the last four years, four years, has been a never ending whirlwind of news. A. M. Joy that is tried to if i have you a front row seat to everything thats happening and help you put it all in perspective. Next weekend my time here on a. M. Joy will come to a close. Our a. M. Joy family and i will be here, though, for one last time to celebrate and to inform you. So please join us for a very special edition of this program next saturday july 18th. There is so much more a. M. Joy after the break. There is so much more a. M. Joy after the break. vo parents have a way of imagining the worst. Especially when your easily distracted teenager has the car. 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Because were committed to bringing new hope into lung cancer care. American investment in education is a promise to students and their families. If schools arent going to reopen and not fulfill that promise, they shouldnt get the funds. Then give it to the families to decide to go to a school that is going to meet that promise. Well, you cant do that. I mean, you guys support vouchers and thats i know you support vouchers and thats and thats a reasonable argument, but you cant do that unilaterally. You have to do that through congress. Well, we are looking at all the options because its a promise to the American People to students and their families and we want to make sure that promise is followed through on. Wow. Education secretary betsy devos refuses to back down on threats from his boss to pull funding from schools if students and teachers dont return to the classroom as cases and hospitalizations for covid19 continue to surge. Joining me now three legends of journalism, i have been intimidated by this panel. Dan wrather, president of news and guts media and host host the big interview. Carol simpson who moderated the 1992 president ial dee gate and e. J. Dionne. Author of code red plus lots and lots and lots of New York Times best sellers. What an incredible panel. I have to go to one of my role models, carol simpson, first. What i head from betsy devos, ms. Carol, was a sneaky was to support the things she has always cared about which is vouchers. She doesnt believe in Public School, thats why shes there to deconstruct Public School and get vouchers through. Was i hearing her saying we will get vouchers without congression congressional. I think thats what she was saying. I watched her several appearances and was horrified. Why is this administration so vindictive. Instead of giving people a National Mandate that they do a certain thing, its like leaving it to the local schools. Lets see what the local schools will do. If you dont do what we want to do, were going to take your money away. Ive watched her and she was like a cartoon character on one of those rolling barrels as she was trying to make sense of even what she was saying and all she could say was we want all the children back in school in the fall. Well, if my two children were school aged now i dont believe i would be sending them to school with things as Loosey Goosey as they are now. Yeah. I wouldnt, either. And, you know, dan rather, youve obviously been doing this for a very long time. Have you ever heard a secretary of education endorse the idea of defunding the federal the Public School system . Of saying no money from the federal government to school. They are all mad about Defund Police but apparently what betsy devos and donald trump are advocating is defunding Public Schools. No, i have never heard it before and neither has anyone else because no president or any representative of the federal government of the United States has ever before advocated that. This administration is dedicated to doing all it can to destroy the Public School system. It makes no sense. Its outrageous, but that is what is happening. We all understand that our Public Schools, they are the beating heart of everything we dream to be and have happen for our kids and grandkids. We should see it clearly what it is because there is an effort made by President Trump and those under him including his education secretary to follow up on whats happening. We have to see whats happening, this is designed to destroy the Public School system as we have known t its outrageous and its dangerous. It is. It is very, very strange. Definitely for sure. Here is betsy devos for you, e. J. Here she is and this is in the whole sea of odd things that she said. This is her reaction to the news that three arizona teachers have contracted coronavirus and one of them died. Take a listen. I feel for a teacher that has a vulnerability or an underlying condition and know that this is something that is concerning, but the reality is that there are ways for those teachers to be able to continue to do what they do and every district, every state has the real opportunity to work with and figure out the best scenario for those teachers. Should younger teachers go in if they dont feel comfortable . Thats something for them to work out with their local district, but, again, thats the exception not the rule. E. J. , your thoughts . You know, when you look at first of all, i have to say, joy, im so excited about your new show. This is good for you, its great for viewers. Its fantastic. Thank you. I want to say that i really mean it from the heart. I look at what betsy devos said and if you look at that you realize that one of the reasons the Trump Administration is insomuch trouble its not simply bad policy they have pursued, its this remarkable lack of empat empathy. You would think that the first reaction from her would be about someone who devoted their life to teaching who contracted a disease, instead it went to message and sound bite and i think this whole argument about the schools that the administration is making is really symptomatic of something important that political leaders have a choice, they can either use an issue to divide people or they can take a really complicated problem and try to solve it. Most all americans want kids back in school, all americans know that Teaching Online is no real substitute for the personal experience of the classroom except for younger kids, but we havent solved the covid crisis. The biggest underlying problem is the failure of the administrations policy to get this under control, which is why it is so hard for us to get back to school in the fall. So instead of saying, look, were going to work with everybody to try to get this problem solved, trump is just looking for a way to divide people and say, those teachers are going to go back to work and im going to force them to do it even though he actually doesnt have the power to do it. Yeah, its pretty incredible. Joy, can i Say Something . Sure. Of course. I just wanted to not be the only one that did not congratulate you for your getting your new show. I am so thrilled, so i cant i cant have me not be one of the three that has said congratulations and were so proud of you. Okay. The other thing i wanted to say, though, about betsy devos, can i Say Something else about betsy . Sure. Of course. E. J. , what were you saying . Oh, well, betsy devos was saying we want all children to be in school this fall. Well, we also want all people to be back at the jobs they had. We want people not to be on unemployment. We want people to be able to hug their loved ones. We want all of those things, but, you know why i think were not going to get them and i hate to say this, but i think the American People are the biggest hindrance to our solving the coronavirus epidemic here in our country. I just cant believe that people are still arguing about masks and going into bars and wanting to be at parties. Whats wrong with the American People . People tell me. Whats happening . Why cant we all get together on this . Well, and to that very point, and i will throw it over to you, dan, just got this from our great executive producer homey just sent it to me, 15,299 new cases in florida, the deaths are spiking, 4,242 plus 104 nonresidents have now died in the state of florida and i will throw one more thing and this is a poll out of texas, one of the other huge hot spots, biden now up to a 5point lead at least according to this one poll, which is a Dallas Morning News ut tyler poll, so not a slouch of a point with a 2. 24 margin of error. What do you make of that . Is this finally catching up to donald trump and his republican governors . I do think its finally catching up to President Trump and the republican governors. I dont put much strength in the polls this early, its not early its still early. Particularly with the texas poll, im speaking to you from austin, texas, today, i was born and raised here. Im always suspicious of the polls that show democrats taking texas but then the election rolls around and it doesnt happen. I do think that whats happened with the coronavirus just these last few weeks where all semblance of any rational that President Trump may have that is tumbled. We are on fire with coronavirus. We are the around the world not only are we leading, but we are made fun of. This is the only time in my lifetime that i can remember when americans were losing. We are losing this. If you want to use the one analogy, this is the early stages of world war ii or the early stages of the korean war. We are losing this and people are beginning to realize that were losing it, the country is on fire with this and i do think it is very damaging to President Trump and those republicans including republican governors who stick with him. Yeah, its humiliating and terrifying. Well, i have an exciting thing were going to turn to. This is called a pivot. This panel, my panel will be right back and for my last ever who won the week, this is the panel. Somebody please take a screenshot of this panel that i was on with these folks because i need a screenshot and please send me that over twitter and i will save it into my phone. This illustrious panel of incredible journalists is going to tell us who won the week. Dont go anywhere. Thats next. Dont go anywhere. Thats next. I like liberty mutual. They get that no two people are alike and customize your Car Insurance so you only pay for what you need. Incredible journalists is going incredible journalists is going. Only pay for what you need. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. Liberty. For people with Heart Failure taking entresto, it may lead to a world of possibilities. Entresto helped people stay alive and out of the hospital. Dont take entresto if pregnant; it can cause harm or death to an unborn baby. Dont take entresto with an ace inhibitor or aliskiren, or if youve had angioedema with an ace or arb. The most serious side effects are angioedema, low Blood Pressure kidney problems, or high blood potassium. Ask your doctor about entresto. Now it is time, im very excited about this, this incredible panel of news veterans is going to tell us who won the week. E. J. Dionne, veteran of who won the week who knows exactly how to roll this, who won the week . Well, besides you, ive got to say that i was really really struck by the historic significance of this particular who won the week, and so i was torn. I was politically joe biden won the week because this is a week where donald trump gave as clear a set of facts that anyone would need to vote him out of office, whether its the corrupt commutation of roger stones sentence or his suddenly appearing in a mask which shows symptomatic of the failure of his whole policy, but i wanted toggles russell westbrook, maybe because im excited by the return of nba basketball, but also because i loved what marcus smart a 26yearold Boston Celtics star said. Marcus smart came down with covid19, he recovered. He is donating his plasma to the red cross so that it might help someone else out. Here is what marcus smart said, he said, its a very humbling experience just to know that somewhere someone in this this world, is going to take my plasma, and it could save their lives or it could at least give them a fighting chance. And i think thats the spirit we need going forward. From political leaders, cultural leaders, sports leaders and for immediamedia leaders. All of us should be committed to giving all of us a fighting chance. Yeah, professional athletes are just amazing. So heroic and all standing up. Whether its lebron or this brilliant gentleman. Colin kaepernick. Go ahead. The wnba is slaying in terms of really standing up, so excellent, excellent, excellent. All right. Thats a tough one to follow, but carol simpson, i know u you are skilled enough to do it. So im going to put the question to you. Legend, legend of broadcasting, who won the week . Again, like ej, i believe you won the week. By getting your show, but if i have to go with someone else, my pick is dr. Anthony fauci. I am so consumed by the virus that i see everything almost in those terms. But dr. Fauci, even though we didnt see him much last week, he won the week because it was clear that he has been sidelined by the white house. Hes been gagged. He has been just put out to pasture. Not meeting with the president for almost a month. More than a month. This is just outrageous. Our best expert in america on Infectious Diseases and they have just put him aside so i think hes big because Everybody Knows now that he was telling the truth and the president who hired him has been telling the truth, so i think people going to be sayi inwe want fauci. We want fauci. Absolutely, absolutely. Amen, thank god for faudr. F. Speaking of legends, watched you every night growing up on television. Love your texasisms you would sprinkle into the new us. Made it so much fun for me to watch. So i now humbly ask the legendary dan rather, down there in austin, texas, who, sir, won the week . You won the week. This new assignment, 7 00 in the eastern time zone, every weeknight on msnbc. Its joys week. Period. Now, big week for women in general. Keep in mind, the u. S. Army, a woman for the first time, qualified for the breen barea and u. S. Special forces. So a big week for women. Amazing week this week. A major winner for the week. The Supreme Court decision in oklahoma that the United States government made the cherokees years ago shall be enforced. This was the biggest win i can recall for native americans in many years. Absolutely. Big, big week for them. Absolutely. That was a, an outstanding, this is about the Supreme Court. So those are going to be tough the beat. I have three people who won the week. My husband u, jason, wins the week for sending me four screen grabs of me on with these legendary broadcasters. I dont know if you can see it from here. But jason got to me first, so i have now, no one can deny it. I was on, on air, with carole simps simpson, dan rath eer and my buddy, ej. Look at god. Right . Look add god. First thing. Just to be, listen, you all, you guys, im not worthy. But my second runner up in terms of who won the week. Well this is my first runner up was that. My second who won the week, i dont know if they can get him, is we call him dante sound man, but his real name is michael dotten. I just found out its his birthday. Hes a proud gen xer. Its your birthday, so youre my second runner up, but my number one who won the week, and this is the dad of our very, very good friend of the show, rob rheiner. We love rob and his wife, michelle. Theyre such wonderful people. His dad, carl, unfortunately passed away. All our hearts were broken knowing this loss. Not just a loss to robs family, but also to the world. So i want to play this final video performance. Because this man was so great. He created a fairy tale ending video that will break your heart, but it will also warm your spirits, so were going to play that after i thank dan rather, carole simpson, ej. Lets play that real quickly after i play this with you. Thank you all very much. Love you guys very much. A road to freedom and as dawn arose, wesley and butter cup knew they were safe. A wave of love swept over them and as they reach ed for each other, what, what . Kissing again. You dont want to hear it. Okay, i dont mind. Okay. Since the invention of the kiss, there have been five kisses that were rated the most passionate, the most pure, this one left them all behind. Now i think you ought to go to sleep. Okay. Okay, okay. All right. So long. So lon g. mom come on, hurry up all systems go . Mission Control 5 4 3 2. Ignition and liftoff. vo audi etron. The next frontier of electric. A very good day, everyone, from msnbc here in new york. It is high noon in the east. 9 00 a. M. In the west. Breaking news. A shocking spike in covid cases in one Southern State and as the death rate rises, the debate on what to do about school heats up. You are compelling schools to reopen regardless of whats