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These photos. We are now learning what donald trump told two russian officials in this infamous meeting in the oval office in may of 2017, held without American Media or officials present. The day after trump fired former fbi director james comey. Late friday the Washington Post reported that trump told the russians during that meeting that, quote, he was unconcerned about moscows interference in the 2016 u. S. President ial election because the United States did the same in other countries. An assertion that prompted alarmed white house officials to limit access to the remarks to an unusually small number of people. According to three former officials with knowledge of the matter. Also late friday cnn reported that white house aides took, quote, remarkable steps to keep potentially embarrassing calls private according to people familiar with the matter. The sources told cnn that, quote, white house efforts to limit access to president Donald Trumps conversations with foreign leaders extended to phone calls with Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed Bin Salman and russian leader Vladimir Putin. A stunning week when the white house purported toly to help trump extricate himself by a scandal revealed by a whistleblower released their notes summarizing the call in which trump urged the president of ukraine to work with attorney general william barr and trumps personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani to investigate his democratic rival joe biden. These new allegations have triggered a full blown house impeachment inquiry which took its first big step on friday when House Democrats subpoenaed secretary of state mike pompeo for ukraine documents. Quote, including many he has refused to produce for weeks. They also announced theyve scheduled depositions for five state Department Officials over the next two weeks, beginning wednesday with the former u. S. Ambassador to ukraine. Four of the five people are mentioned by name in the whistleblower complaint and one of them, kirk voelker, trumps special envoy to ukraine has now resigned. The state department acknowledged that voelker put trumps personal lawyer, Rudy Giuliani, in touch with an aide to ukraines president. At least 225 house members now say they support an impeachment inquiry, more than the 218 that Speaker Pelosi needs to impeach him. It was just last week that we were asking when and if the democrats were going to launch an impeachment inquiry against trump for a series of alleged crimes, including obstruction of justice and selfenrichment and now after a whirlwind week we are finally witnessing the beginning of something 73 year old donald trump has never had to experience, accountability. Joining me now to put some perspective on this wild week is historian and msnbc political analyst jon meachum. Jon, its great to have you here, thanks so much for your time. Thanks. Thank you. Its been a quiet week, i hope you can find something to talk about for the broadcast. Were going to struggle to fill the time here in this block. Can you just from a Historical Perspective explain if we have ever come anywhere close to a week like this for an american president. Well, its extraordinary and there have been moments where enormous things have happened, clinton impeachment things unfolded. The real example here, i think, is watergate and one of the things to remember is that watergate unfolded over 26 months. The break in was on june 17, 1972, president nixon didnt resign until august 9th, 1974. We have this tendency in the popular mind to go back and think things were fairly neat and quick. Long time. And there were members of the House Judiciary Committee who were long time loyalists and friends that not until the 3rd of august did they decide they couldnt support him anymore. Here is the important thing for the analogy right now is they made that decision when they actually read transcripts of what nixon said. And i dont think we should underestimate the power of that memo or and this is speculative, but i think its informed speculation i think were getting ready for yet another week of and perhaps week after that, week after that because whats happened now, i think, is the atmosphere has become a little safer for people who know about similar things, if similar things unfolded, and we already have the russian example from the post last night, to actually raise their voices or at least to bring forward through whatever process this these kinds of conversations. So i think its highly possible, check me on it, that in seven days we will be talking about conversations with other world leaders, other outreach, where the president of the United States has decided that our National Sovereignty is less significant than his own political performance. And, you know, the difference i would point out, i guess, with the nixon situation is nixon fought the release of the tapes which were the thing that would damn him all the way to the Supreme Court. In this case the Trump White House put out the equivalent of the tapes. Theyve put out this summary of this conversation with the president of ukraine and in somehow in their minds they thought it was exculpatory. Well, its a terrific point and something to think about because nixon fought, but he didnt burn the tapes, right . I mean, pat buchanan said that was the great mistake. If he had burned the tapes i think he would have finished the term and would have gone through 1977. And when the Supreme Court ruled 80, rehnquist had to refuse himself in late july, thats what set in motion those conversations and those conversions of those republicans. So maybe just a little saturday morning psychiatry, theres a little selfsabotage in both cases and its going to be something for biographers and historians going forward. I think part of it is a kind of and were way into speculation here obviously kind of, i think, part of it is this sense that they think theyre inn vulnerable. I think donald trump thinks hes invulnerable and that in all tragedy beginning with the greeks thats always the beginning of the fall. And to that very point, that trump seems to have this sense of inn vulnerability that makes him increasingly open about the end game here. When you put together trying to force ukraine not just to give him dirt on joe biden and his family, but also to essentially exonerate russia for attacking our election and then telling the ukrainian president you need to work this out with the person that has invaded and is still occupying part of your country. We just showed that we now have learned that in this infamous meeting where he brought in one of their top spies and the foreign minister of russia into the oval office with no americans present he told them i dont have a problem with what you did to our election because the United States has done it before. You just keep putting together these pieces had a make it seem that donald trump has two goals, one, obviously to try to get himself reelected but also to try to inoculate russia from the 2014 from the reasons they were kicked out of the g7. He keeps say he wants them back in the g7, he wants to invite Vladimir Putin here. It almost feels like donald trump is sort of working to try to get russia cleaned up in the World Community so that they can come back into the g7 and be back in good with the United States. Is that reading too much into all of what were seeing . No, i dont think so. Youve put your finger on i think there are two central mysteries of the era, right, of the last five years, say three and a half. One is whats up with trump and russia . Thats a slightly more colloquial way of putting what you just eloquently put. Whats going on . So thats an essential question. The other question is why does 40 , pick your number, of selfidentifying republicans in america, why do they reflexively support someone who wasnt a republican before 2015 and whose values and policy positions dont have a whole lot to do with what republicans had believed before he came along. So why has the trump base suspended reason and whats going on with russia . So i think if we ever find the great the answers to those two things, we will have solved the riddle of the era. I am totally betting here, but i just think theres going to be by midweek i think theres going to be something about conversations with putin, something about conversations with other leaders because i cant believe just as a practical just as a person, right, just as a citizen, not an analyst point, if he did it once with ukraine, this was not a oneoff. This was not a oneoff. And hes got this obsession with the elections. All president s are obsessed with elections. Donald trump makes all previous president s look kind of like boy scouts in terms of their obsession with reelection. So i think that this is as churchill once said, i dont think this is the beginning of the end, but i think its the end of the beginning of this particular chapter. And do you foresee republicans, the idea is that courage is contagious, this whistleblower who has, to be blunt, shown more courage and more spine than a series of generals who have worked for donald trump and admirals who have worked for donald trump. Do you think that courage will be contagious . Can you foresee that being contagious inside the Republican Party which up until now has been nothing but obedient to donald trump . For public action, i reserve judgment. I hope so. I hope that, you know, as Bobby Kennedy said, you know, the beginning of great change, the beginning of changing the history of our generation begins with small acts of courage, just changing the reality around you and that if we all do that then the sum of those actions become the great public story. I hope thats true. I think theres a reason theres an old joke that profiles in courage was one volume and very short. So theres not a huge there are not a huge amount of material for it and right now it would probably be a tweet. So i think if i were a Republican Office holder right now, which im not, what i would be thinking about is am i on the right side of history here . Particularly when the matter is one of National Security. Shameful that its just the one whistleblower and that theres not more backup for him. Jon meachum, always a pleasure to talk to you. Thanks for your time. Thanks, joy. Coming up, we will tell you why ukraine could be that thing that ultimately takes trump down. That is next. Xt but were also a company that controls hiv, fights cancer, repairs shattered bones, relieves depression, restores heart rhythms, helps you back from strokes, and keeps you healthy your whole life. From the day youre born we never stop taking care of you. Should always be working harder. Thats why your cash automatically goes into a Money Market Fund when you open a new account. 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That would be a tremendous achievement. Wow, look at his face. Trumps obsession with ukraine is all about his obsession with russia. Here he is asking a president whose country was invaded by russia to just try to get along with their occupier. Just make up and give the kremlin a clean bill of health. Russias invasion of ukraine and ongoing occupation of crimea is the whole reason why weve been giving ukraine the hundreds of millions of dollars in aid which donald trump personally delayed, per news reports, in order to strong arm ukraines president for help in dis crediting potential 2020 rival joe biden and his son and for help finding proof of an insane right wing Conspiracy Theory that russia wasnt actually to blame for attacking our election. Those are the favors that trump asked from the ukrainian president. And the plot thickened on friday with the resignation of the u. S. Special envoy for ukraine, kurt volker. He is one of the people listed in the whistleblower complaint and he is scheduled to be deposed by House Committee next week. Joining me now is evelyn mark cass Msnbc National Security analyst and former Deputy Assistant secretary of defense for russia, ukraine and eurasia. I want to read you a little bit of the nbc report on this resignation. It says in the complaint that marked the impeachment inquiry a whistleblower said that the day after trumps july call with ukraine president volodymyr zelensky, kurt volker traveled to the capital to meet with the leader. It alleges that volker went to kiev to guide the ukraine officials on how to handle trumps demands to look into Hunter Bidens nearly five years as a member of the board that mansion ukraines natural gas producer. I understand you know mr. Volker. Was he involved in this plan to try to dig up dirt on joe bidens son hunter . Joy, i cant say that i know exactly what ambassador volker, kurts involvement was. I will say he is an outstanding, upstanding professional, consummate professional and i actually believe what the whistleblower wrote was that he was trying to do damage control. That is what i know of the man. He cares about american democracy and he cares about Ukrainian Democracy and i think understanding i dont know whether ambassador volker knew the context of the conversation, the context within which he was jumping in to talk to the ukrainians but clearly he knew that Rudy Giuliani was up to no good and he was trying to help the ukrainians because as you know President Trump says to him do me a favor and the poor guy hes not going to say, no, im not going to do you a favor because he needs the almost 400 billion of military assistance for the who the war hes fighting. Hes stuck. He has to kind of do something, right . I think that probably what volker wanted to do was try to help the ukrainian president not get in hot water with our president , not get in hot water with the law and certainly not interfere with american democracy. I think its important for people to understand that when donald trump is making asking for favors, i mean, hes punching way down. You wrote a piece that talked about the fact we aid ukraine to fight russia. Ukraine is as you said in a hot war with russia. They are not in a position to say no to their biggest supplier of aid. Not at all. And the other thing thats really important about this whole whistleblower thing and people coming forward and getting worked up is the timeline because that money for ukraine it was authorized and appropriated by congress. The fiscal year ends september 30th. So i had people i was in georgia, republic of georgia, as you know, joy, recently and i had Foreign Service officers come up to me, evelyn, can you help unglue this money. I called over to the hill and said, hey, guys, to the appropriators can you guys look in this they said we are already on t the money would have run out if they could have gotten it reappropriated for another year, there would have been a lag and as i said and pointed out in the Washington Post piece which will come out in flint tomorrow that theyre fighting a hot war, they need this stuff. Lets volker. He had an unusual arrangement that placed him as a key trump representative in ukraine especially after an ambassador was recalled in may. Volker continued to work at a Washington Lobbying Firm that represented u krin for almost two years after he began his parttime duties as a special envoy. If you could give us a quick encapsulation. This change in regime from the prorussian regime, mr. Yanukovych which was helped out to get elected by Donald Trumps former consigliere who now sits in prison, then you have a change to what should be democratic government but then you had this prosecutor in the new government that was problematic. Can you explain that timeline quickly. Its confusing, but what happened was you had the really corrupt russialeaning manafort protected, manafort advised guy that was advised by manafort, the ukrainian people went to the street and effectively said we dont want him anymore. After he shot 100 of the ukrainian people and the americans stepped in and cobbled together a government, the guy fled out of ukraine the russians went and as sized crimea. Then you have a new government led by poroshenko. He was an oligarch, better than the previous guy, said he was going to root out corruption, he put in a prosecutor general who didnt move fast at all. So all of us in the Obama Administration were like, hey, poroshenko, you said you were going to reform this government, your prosecutor general is not moving fast enough. Probably because poroshenko also was a little afraid of making the changes he had to make. Thats why we now have zelensky the 41yearold entertainer who has never been a politician because the ukrainian people said forget it we dont even want poroshenko who was better than the russian crony we want this new young guy. Now this new young guy is under pressure from the president of the United States to play ball and those were the words in the whistleblower report, or you dont get help fighting russia. Its pretty extraordinary stuff. Evelyn fark us, thank you very much. Thank you, joy. The silence that you hear, do you hear it . Thats the Republican Party. Thats next. It thats the Republican Party. Thats next. Upbeat musieverything was so fresh in the beginning. [sniff] dramatic music but that plug quickly faded. 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After trump appeared to call for the deaths of the whistleblowers sources in the white house, meeting members of his own administration could witness intimidation also be on the table as an article of impeachment. Joining me now is congresswoman ayanna pressley. Thank you, joy. Let me play for you this moment at a u. N. Related lunch, i believe, where donald trump makes a lot of people are considering a pretty grim threat. Take a listen. I want to know who is the person that gave the whistleblower who is the person that gave the whistleblower the information . Because thats close to a spy. Do you know what we used to do in the old days when we were smart, right, with spies and treason, right, we used to handle it a little differently than we do now. So we now know that the chairman of the Foreign Affairs, intelligence and congressman Elijah Cummings the chair of one of the committees that you sit on, the oversight committee, theyve called those comments reprehensible, witness intimidation and an attempt to obstruct Congress Impeachment inquiry. In your mind should those be added as articles of impeachment should donald trump be impeached by the house . Its just another demonstration of the flagrant power of abuse, the fact that the occupant of this white house considers himself to be above the law. As to where this will take us, we are early in this full impeachment inquiry process. I serve on two out of the six committees that are a part of this full impeachment inquiry of investigations and we will see where it takes us. You know, ive been supportive of an impeachment inquiry since april, both because i believe this administration lost moral authority a long time ago but also because of the Mueller Report. Although that report did not ultimately get us to impeachment, it did result in the indictment and sentencing of many around donald trump. So i think its evidence both of the pervasive corruption throughout this administration, not only led by donald trump, but perpetuated by all those in close proximity to him, including Rudy Giuliani and attorney general barr. And, you know, we now now and i think the polls are not the most important thing but we know that there is Greater Movement among the public towards support of an impeachment inquiry which im assuming emboldens House Democrats more, but do you think that its enough to limit any impeachment inquiry to this particular incident involving ukraine . You you sit on two committees that are investigating other things. There is a lot that donald trump did that people believe to be impeachable. Again, we are early in this inquiry. I do believe that this was an inflection point, a Tipping Point for many. We now have 220 plus democrats that are supportive of a full impeachment inquiry and that is bigger than, you know, six investigative committees, bigger than our caucus. This is about the American People and i think that political will from the American People has moved to this. We hear it at town halls and faith houses, at grocery stores. So there are many bread crumbs here. When you look at just what comes out of his mouth directly and what is said in the light of day, it gives us great pause about what is happening under the cloak of night. Again, there was much that i believe obstruction of justice was proved in the Mueller Report, foreign interference in our elections so what we see now is consistent. I mean, as early as 1973 donald trump was taken to task and account by the department of justice for denying rental units to africanamericans. When it comes to this administration, when it comes to donald trump and his policies, the cruelty is the point, and when it comes to this administration the corruption is the point. Under the Financial Services committee we are currently reviewing documents obtained regarding his financial dealings, specificallyutsche ba. Here is someone, again, when it comes to a pattern of behavior who has filed for bankruptcy repeatedly. Remember Trump University . I mean but Deutsche Bank would continue to lend to him. We are reviewing those documents, thats an ongoing investigation. And then in the oversight and Reform Committee which i also serve on we just issued a subpoena of secretary pompeo along with chairman chairman cummings did that in partnership with chairman schiff and chairman engel and we believe those documents will further corroborate the whistleblowers accounts. Speaking of to type donald trump is now attacking yourself, congresswoman i will land omar, tlaib and ocasiocortez. For some reason he decided to single out the four of you again to attack in defense of himself. Unfortunately i have to ask for your response to that. He is not if not consistent again in the profound words of doctor maya angelou when people show you who they are, believe them. Im not distracted. He offers this rhetoric to distract he offered hateful rhetoric to distract from his hurtful policies and the American People are hurting. We are going to continue to lead and legislation on those issues of care and concern to the American People. Let me give anyone no has those doubts the assurance that we can walk and you chew gum. We are going to continue to investigate until we get the truth and accountability the American People deserve. I have to ask you as well because you have filed an impeach resolution against the attorney general which will i cant m barr who is named by name im sorry, against brett kavanaugh, the Supreme Court justice i know its hard to keep up, joy. Theres so manypervasive. Its hard to keep up. Yes, i did file an impeachment inquiry resolution. I think that recent accounts support that this process of confirmation led by this Gopled Senate and a partisan fbi was rushed and fundamentally flawed. These allegations deserve to be heard and to have due process and this is why i filed a resolution. You know, i came here in pursuit of justice for the survivor, the worker, the immigrant, the people in the massachusetts seven and for the American People. So as our chairman says its our job to be an effective and efficient pursuit of the truth and justice. Do you think that that resolution will get to the floor . You know, im encouraged by the people who have already signed on, but please do bear in mind the impeachment inquiry resolution which now has over 220 democrats who support that, you know, for months i think that that resolution was maybe at 10 or 12 cosponsors and so were continuing to be in conversation with our colleagues and we will see, but, you know, im going to continue to do the work of fighting for the healing and the justice of survivors. I still believe anita hill and i still believe dr. Christine ford and i believe deborah ramirez. Keep us posted on all that youre doing. Thank you. Up next the republicans scramble to defend donald trump. More a. M. Joy next. But were also a company that controls hiv, fights cancer, repairs shattered bones, relieves depression, restores heart rhythms, helps you back from strokes, and keeps you healthy your whole life. From the day youre born we never stop taking care of you. Tv aas many safety features powas the rx, the new. 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It makes me wonder if allegedly extorting a foreign leader for political gain doesnt break the republican cycle of fear and obedience to the dear leader could this Infamous Trump threat actually be true . I could stand in the middle of fifth avenue and shoot somebody and i wouldnt lose any voters, okay . Joining me now is rick wilson and he is the author of everything trump touches dies. Rick, i want to play you a Little Something that i call concern. Lets turn over every rock, lets investigate every lead. Would i have approached those conversations that way . Absolutely not. Clearly what weve seen from the transcript itself is deeply troubling. Republicans ought not to be rushing to circle the wagons and say there is no there there when theres obviously lots thats very troubling there. The administration ought not be attacking the whistleblower as some talking points suggest they plan to do. So, rick, concern appears to be the substitute for courage to the Republican Party. Your thoughts . You know, joy, i think we need to do one of those Old Department of Homeland Security colorcoded scales and at the bottom is furrowed brow and then theres i havent read it and then theres deeply concerned and then theres i cant go to press conferences or do town Hall Meetings and then theres can i get in the witness protection program. I mean, these guys are profiles in chicken you know what every day right now because they obviously understand that this is just one more pile on of the facts about donald trump that they cannot face, they cannot admit to, and theyre going to go into this thing like the republicans did in 1973, say, oh, its a media coulden spear si its a false narrative and in 1974, they lost their jobs. They can play denial politics all day long and try to front and bluster through these things but the facts are starting to accrue quickly. You know ive been a skeptic about whether impeachment can work, right now the numbers are building, the numbers are skifting in the publics eye and this is a clear obvious blunt force case of attempting to cover up material where the president was attempting to extort a foreign power to support him politically and to provide him illegally provide him with something of value in the campaign which is against the law and weve crossed a new rubicon here with trump and these guys know it and they are so nervous that if they had a lump of coal between their butt cheeks a diamond would pop out. To your point of a new scale, on the scale i dont know where the level of i havent read it, here are the people who cant read nine pages. Its not like the Mueller Report. Okay . Its nine pages, tom cotton, roy blunt, Marco Rubio Marco rubio, does he have a bible verse for this one they cant read nine pages, rick, and you have mike murphy coming out and saying if they could read nine pages 30 of them would vote to convict him in the senate. You know if it was secret. But only if it was secret. Right. We all have a different number. My actual hard count for myself of knowing these guys for a long time, my actual hard count is about 26, 27 that i could tell you right now have told me or have or have expressed that they cannot stand this man. They live in terror of him. They are all moral cowards. They are fearful of Donald Trumps mob and his hoard. At one point somebody is going to break the seal and that person is going to have a really bad day but a really good memory in history. The question then i guess becomes what is the Tipping Point where history the train of history is gone, its rolling down the tracks toward Donald Trumps impeachment and the world is looking in horror at all of the sycophants for him. At what point do they then say, do you know what, enough, im getting off of the trump train . Well, look, the political cowardice that theyve shown up until this moment, up until the moment this ukrainian story broke is despicable and none of them are going to come away completely clean, but there is a massive first mover advantage, just like there is in business, the first person that does something thats the right thing for the market wins. Theres very little advantage to the to being the 15th google. Theres a big advantage to being the first google. These guys right now are looking very carefully at their polling, but they are afraid, joy, and we both know it, they live in absolute fear and they all think that donald trump will tweet something bad about them and Say Something mean and their voters will hate them. Well, the 30 of the Republican Base thats going to strap on a bomb vest for donald trump, the donald trump hotties, those guys are always going to be mad at them no matter what they do. They barely tolerate them now. If they dont make a break they are going to be doomed. Here is the lesson, if the worst thing is that you lose your job in the senate, you can get another job, yall. Right. Get your soul back. Go get another job if you lose your seat. Anyway, rick wilson, always fun talking to you, man. Thank you very much. Thank you, joy. Thank you. Talk to you soon steph curry. Coming up, all the president s men. Coming up, alle president s men ses like this, this, and even this. 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In alleging that the president made efforts to solicit ukraine interference in the 2020 election, the whistleblower called out two key trump people by name. Quote, the president s personal lawyer mr. Rudy giuliani is a central figure in this effort. Attorney general barr appears to be involved as well. The whistleblower went on to implicate white house lawyers and other Administration Officials who allegedly worked to cover up the call. Well, giuliani quickly sought to defend himself by implicating the state department in the scheme. Insiders saying that you muck this up, your response. Man, i really did. And i know who i did it at the request of . The state department. I never talked to ukraine official until the state department called me and asked me do it. And then i reported every conversation back to them. Laura, im a pretty good lawyer. Just a country lawyer. But it is all here. Right here. The first call from the state department, the debriefing of the state department. And that is no idle finger pointing either. The secretary of state himself mike pompeo just last week peddled trumps conspiracy theories about joe biden and ukraine. I hope that we will, i hope that if Vice President biden engaged in behavior that was inappropriate, i hope the American People will come to learn that. Weve seen no evidence of that yet. America cannot have our elections sxwfred with and if that is what took place there, if there was that kind of activity engaged in joe biden, we need to know. And last night he became the recipient of the first subpoena. They requested documents from pompeo related to Donald Trumps conversation with the ukranian president. How did we get here . White house lawyers and government officials would put their reputations and law licenses on the line for a president who would so blatantly violate the law and his oath of office and damage nerk hes National Security pnd and that including acting director of National Intelligence who this week could not seem to explain why he took the whistleblowers complaint to the offices of the very people named in it. The white house and the doj. Trumps former lawyer and fixer Michael Cohen who did trumps bidding for a decade and is now spending three years in prison for helping to cover up trumps misdeeds tried to warn us. Trump associates and the republicans of the dangers of doing said dirty work. He doesnt give you questions. He doesnt give you orders. He speaks in a code. Donald trump said i would like you to do us a favor though. My ambition and the intoxication of trump power had much to do with the bad decisions in part that i made. The quote meeting or phone call between the president and president zelensky would depend on whether he showed willingness to play ball. This is his country. I want to know who is the person that gave the whistleblower the information. Because that is close to a spy. You know what we used to do in the old days when we were smart, right, with spies and treason. Used to handle them a little differently. I can only warn people the more people it that follow mr. Trump as i did blindly are going to suffer the same consequences that im suffering. Joining me now, jonathan capehart, barbara mcquaid, author of how to catch a russian spy, glenn kirishner. The people named who were apparently willing to assist in the coverup of this call and we now know that there may have been other calls skreeted in a similar way to other automati a here is a list just in the ukraine call. Donald trump, Rudy Giuliani, william barr, Vice President mike pence, kurt volker who just resigned, u. S. Ambassador to the eu, john durham u. S. Attorney. Somebody who works as a washington journalist, is there any precedent for this level of willingness to obey a leader who is so blatantly violating his oath of office and to essentially put their own reputations down the gradrain f this president . Not that i can remember. You know, what is different between this administration and all the other administrations at least in my lifetime that came before him is that those administrations mad a respect for the institutions, had a respect for the presidency, had a respect for the constitution and the oath to that constitution. What we have seen since inauguration day, actually since the campaign, is a person who is now president of the United States who does not revere the constitution, has no respect for it, has no respect for the office, has no respect for his duties. It is not only leader of the United States, leader of the free world, but also protector of democracy. So the fact that you have people what was brelt breath taking to me in that graphic is the number of people and the positions that they hold. If you cannot trust the attorney general of the United States to hold the president accountable and to stand a up for the rule of law and to ensure the oath of office is adhered to, then were in deep trouble. And the fact that you have not only the attorney general of the United States but the secretary of state, white house lawyers who are get involved and trying to help cover this up, says that we are in much more perilous times than we actually realize. And the fact that the administration is moving conversations with foreign leaders on to a National Security server that is limited bylife o byli out of necessity not because the conversations are sensitive but because what the president is doing as weve seen from the notes of the call just in their face are wrong. And i think that is why this has taken on such fascination. Because it is one thing for us to sit around and talk about the Mueller Report and complexities or whatever, and the American People dont quite know where to land with ukraine. It is so easy. And the fact that they put out those notes and the fact that the whistleblower complaint is out, and everyone can read and see with their own two eyes what is going on. The president s kruptcorrupt, t president s people are corrupt and now it is a matter of how do we hold them accountable and can they truly be held accountable since the senate is run by Mitch Mcconnell and at this point he aint going to have a trial. And glenn, i think of im not a lawyer, but im familiar with the concept of conscio consciousness of guilt. This whistleblower complaint comes out, for some reason the dni decides to take it to the white house, the president is named in it, and to the department of justice, both of whom say you dont have to follow the law. The behavior of lawyers in this has been pretty strange. And then lets go to mr. Giuliani whose Immediate Reaction is not to say i didnt rob the bank, but to say here is my phone where the bank manager gave me all the codes to get in. He turns over mike pompeo. Lets listen to him doing that on fox news. Pompeo is unhappy with you, is that true . I know both of you. I havent heard about this except from maggie haberman. I actually think they should all congratulate me. Because if it werent for me, nobody would be nobody would have uncovered and faced massive corruption by the Vice President of the United States. In fact, im a legitimate whistleblower. And his state department, you know, asked me to do this. So mike, if you are unhappy with me, im sorry, but i accomplished my mission and i have no idea if he is unhappy with me or not. Frankly dont care. Have you ever seen attorneys, prosecutor, he was a prosecutor, behave in this way . No, joy, but i have seen coconspiracy are tortors behav way when they start pointing fingers at each other. And can i tell you, that is a career brothermreeme prosecutor prosecutors dream. You have giuliani who is basically making what i would call a coconspirator admission, holding up his phone and saying, yes, you know this improper thing that we just saw the president do by virtue of that summary, not a transcript, it is a summary of the phone call that he had with the ukranian president , this improper thing that he did, hey, the state department told me to do it. And now youre going to have pompeo pointing the finger at giuliani. And joy, i can only suspect that when this comes home to roost, the president will be pointing the fingers at everybody else saying, hey, that was just like he said, oh, you got to ask Michael Cohen about my hush money payments. I dont know anything about it. Michael cohen ends up in police oo prison. Didnt we hear him say hey, ask Rudy Giuliani what he did there in ukraine. It hats ts the same feel and i k the president will start pointing fingers. And he said hey, check the Vice President s phone calls as well. So already this was the blame being spread around. But i want to come back to the attorney general. You know, i misspoke in the previous segment speaking with the congresswoman about impeachment because, you know, william barr i guess was on my mind because this is somebody who is supposed to be the attorney general of the United States. Great britain and israel, those two prime ministers are also in legal trouble because their attorneys general are looking into potential illegal activities that they may have committed. In our country, this attorney general could not say whether it would be in fact illegal to seek help from a foreign country. He couldnt say it at his confirmation. And he seems to have done nothing other than try to protect donald trump from the consequence of his actions. And now it appears that his department of justice intervened to protect himself. How does he avoid, mr. Barr, being called before congress because he is named in this whistleblower complaint and his doj tried to stop congress from getting it . Yeah, i think at the very least he can expect to be subpoenaed to testify. I know that he has denied knowing anything about or having any contact with ukraine whatsoever. So although President Trump had said i want to you talk to william barr, barr says that never happened. Nonetheless, i think Congress Deserves answers about what President Trump said in that phone call about william barr. The part of William Barrs behavior that we do know that i think raises some questions is the fact that he did decide that that transcript did not need to be turned over as the law requires under the whistleblower protection act to congress. It easy is the director of National Intelligence shall provide to members of congress. And because his name is mentioned in that report, he should have recused himself i believe from making that decision. Even if it is not through, there is the appearance of a conflict of interest that he had an incentive to with hold that document not because he thought it was legally required to withhold it, but because it would cause him personal embarrassment. So i think the fact that he participated in that decision was improper and raises enough speculation i think to call him before congress. There is also the report that the Public Integrity section of the Criminal Division looks at the call and made the decision that it does not amount to Campaign Finance violations. Maybe not, but did they only look at it that narrowly. Because it could have been seen as bribery, as extortion, conspiracy to defraud the United States or even an impeachable offense. So i think that he has answers to give to congress and i will predict that he get as a subpoena with his name on it very soon. And explain this concept of spoilation of evidence with regard to mr. Barr. It is a legal concept i guess that has to do with what might have happened in terms of hiding the evidence of or covering up evidence of a crime. Barbara. Oh, for me. Sure. I mean, i think we heard someone say earlier this idea of consciousness of guilt. When evidence is withheld, there is crimes of obstruction of justice. And sometimes people dismiss that as mere process crimes. But prosecutors consider those to be some of the most significant crimes there are because it prevents prosecutors and investigators from getting to the bottom of something. And so withholding documents is often an indicator that people know that what is inside those documents is very damning. And michael, i want to go to mr. Volker. We heard earlier that he is somebody who worked for the mccain institute, quite respected and he now resigned. Im sure that he can expect to have to testify before congress. I wonder what you expect from that him it, what it might be. I want to show you quickly Rudy Giuliani also while he is showing his phone, he also showed Text Messages between himself and mr. Volker. There is a text that says mr. Mayor, really enjoyed break this morning. Asconnecting you here with andrew close to president zelensky, i suggest we schedule a call together monday, maybe 10 00 a. M. Or 11 00 a. M. Washington time. Kurt. So essentially he was giuliani is showing that to prove mr. Volker was helping him get in contact with leaders in ukraine ostensibly trying to show that he had official sanction for trying to pursue whatever deals and dirt he was looking for in that country. Right. Look, i think ambassador volker is going to be one of the most crucial witnesses as this unfolds. And i believe that he is due to be deposed this coming week. Clearly giuliani is resting a lot on this message and his conversations with volker. I think people close to volker has indicated that he was not at all happy about the role he found himself in and the pressure that he was getting on this. So exactly what he says is going to be you know, very important in figuring out where this goes. It is also worth remembering that volker was in kiev speaking to president zelensky the day after the call. So he can certainly shed light on how zelensky contemporaneously reacted to what the president said on that call. And david, so what you have here is a scandal about a phone call to the president of ukraine. But you at the end of the day, this is still about russia. It is still about Donald Trumps weird relationship to russia, no . Exactly. The original sin and betrayal of the trump president city is all about russia. Mike and i wrote a book about this. But if you look at the conversation that came out this week with zelensky, people focus on the biden aspect of this, give me dirt on joe biden. But the first thing he asked zelensky about, very first thing, was there is this crazy right wing Conspiracy Theory that is deep in the sub, sub, sub basement in the world of paranoiranoid conservatives. And that is that the server wasnt really hacked by the russians and for some reason the dnc gave the server to ukraine somehow to an oligarch there to hide it from the fbi. It is complete lir nuts. But it is all about dismissing the russia investigation. And why ask trump want to do that . Because he knows that he is guilty. We saw it happen with manafort and even the latest Washington Post story about him telling the russians in the oval office that he didnt care about russia. He doesnt want any of that stuff to come out. So giulianis job was not just to get dirt on by devon, but to dismiss the whole russian stuff which plagues him to this day and may even surpass the newest revelations may even surpass the story that we now have about ukraine. And i think that is the key point here. The attempt to inoculate russia, actually that request comes even before and he is talking about crowd strike which is what david is referring to, that he wants this proof that russia really didnt do it. Because it does seem that donald trump is pretty determined to get russia back into the g7, make it the g8 again, maybe have a Welcome Back Party at his own resort. And that seems to be consistent. But i want to ask you about the call itself. You have the ukranians saying we didnt know hour siour side of conversation would come out because now that creates other issues for the president within his own country. And now you have russia saying we certainly hope our calls arent going to come out. So i wonder now if there is just one whistleblower or should we expect now that we might find out get readouts in some way of some of other conversations, perhaps even a conversation with Vladimir Putin. Yeah, i believe that we will. And ill tell you why i believe that because i think that what were seeing is nothing short of a coup against the institution by the white house. Im pissed. I dont know what other way to put it. When i think about pompeo and giuliani, im not surprised. Im into the surprised to hear this about trump. This is behavior that fits his life to a pattern. This is exactly what he does. What disturbs me is to hear that these transcripts were hidden in the intelligence community. As someone who served for 13 years and spent on years guarding our countrys secret, i went to bed at night every night feeling confident that guarding those secrets was nothing short of protecting this country. I cann did not believe it was protecting a president from kri7b8 wrongdoing. And the fact that the rank and file, people below pompeo actually did this, loaded those transcripts, is a violation to their oath of office. We have one whistleblower who took his oath seriously and reported it as he should have done. And i only hope that other people who are party in this, who are aware of this, who follow these orders, understand the concept that we learned from the nazis that you cannot i understand it might ruin your career, it might be something that causes you great personal strive, but you have a duty to the constitution. If somebody orders you for do something illegal, you have the duty to speak out. And the fact that these people thought that they could essentially corrupt the intelligence community, to guard a secret that potentially implicates the president in criminal wrongdoing, tells us that this administration is rotten to the absolute core. And michael, is there any information, any reporting as to why mr. Maguire, the dni, who is a pretty respected guy, would have run right to the white house with this whistleblower report . Well, he testified that he immediately concluded that the complaint involved, you know, potential executive privilege issues because it involved conversations by the president. I don do want to push back amount on the idea that weve approach or we have the evidence to support an obstruction charge at this point. Lets stipulate that any no president that any of us can think of in American History would make the kind of improper requests that trump made to zelensky. But lets also stipulate that no white house facing leaks of the president s phone calls with foreign leaders wouldnt take drastic action to restrict access to those transcripts or notes of those meetings. And the fact that they began doing it long before this phone call undercuts the idea that the restricted access on the zelensky phone call was an act of obstruction because it was arguably an act to prevent leaks that any white house would have taken. Lets ask glenn and barbara if you agree. Yeah, here is my concern. Whether we call it obstruction or not, it is so blatantly unamerican. Think about it. You have people around the president who after the president fired james comey, he invites the russians in and he tells them hey, the pressure is off, i fired the nutjob. Now we know that there was more to that conversation including him saying to the russians, and you know that that whole interference thing that you all just did, not a big deal as far as im concerned. That is a wink and nod to continue the interference on trumps behalf. And then you have these people circling around the president and saying even though the president just told our enemies about that, we need to now shol it under wraps and not let the American People know that is the president s position. I think that is so dramatically so unamerican and it sure seems criminal. And park bbarbara, does anyoe any legal exposure for having hidden those transcripts . I think so. Corrupt intent is an essential element. And facts matter. So i think investigating the purpose in locking down those transcripts will be essential here before we can conclude whether there was criminal intent. And david corn, who did you want to see on that witness list for the house impeachment inquiry next . Well, i think that i want to see hr mcmaster. Give me one guy, im going for him. He was National Security adviser at the time of that conversation that glenn just referenced. He knows if trump told the russians, hey, it is okay, im not concerned about your attack on the United States to help get me elected. So they may claim executive privilege, but there is a key thing, executive privilege does not count when the question is treason. Same question to you, jonathan. Hr mcmaster would be someone good to talk to. Bill barr needs to be talked to. He needs to i dont know if youve shown the clip of senator harris during barrs confirmation hearing. We will. At the time we were like why is she asking him this question. And now in this context, now i think that we know why she was asking that question. And i want to hear the answer. Yeah, i wouldnt mind seeing pompeo yeah, well see pompeo. There is a lot of people. Thank you all very much. Coming up, well show you the president of the United States flippantly talking about killing a whistleblower. That is next. Illing a whistleblower. That is next i used to book my hotel room on those travel sites but there was always a catch. Like somehow you wind up getting less. But now that i book at hilton. Com, and i get all these great perks. I got to select my room from the floor plan. Very nice. I know, im good at picking stuff. Free wifi. Laptop by the pool is a bold choice. And the price match guarantee. How do you know all of this . Are you like some magical hilton fairy . Its just here on the hilton app. Just available to the public, so. Book at hilton. Com and get the hilton price match guarantee. 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It was urgent and important. You dont have any reason to accuse them of disloyalty to our country or suggest sir, absolutely not. Do i have your assurance that the whistleblower will be able to testify fully and freely and enjoy the protections of the law . Yes, congressman. Rosa brooks is joining us. I want to play you no less than Chris Wallace of fox news talking about the way that this whistleblower has been spoken about and i presume you includiinclud including by the president. The spinning done by the president s defenddefenderersof last 24 hours since this damaging whistleblower complaint came out, the spinning is not surprising, but it is astonishing and indeeply misleading. What is clear from reading the complaint is that it is a serious allegation, that lot of it has proven to be born out already. To dismiss this as a political hack, it seems to me to be an effort by the president s defenders to try to make something to make nothing out of something and there is something here. What do you make of the attempt to, you know, turn the conversation to negative information about this unknown whistleblower and even Donald Trumps seeming threat to the people who spoke to this person . Yeah, it is somewhat worse than just the classic blame the messenger, shoot the messenger. This is a threat to shoot the messenger and everybody who gave messages to the people who gave messages to the messenger. It creates an atmosphere of intimidation. We know that the whistleblower is a Public Servant who followed the rules as trumps own head of National Intelligence has said. He followed all of the rules. He did not do what Edward Snowden did and go leaking to the press or leaking to foreign governments. He used all of the appropriate internal channels to report something that concerned him. And now he is essentially being threatened by the president of the United States. I hope for his sake that Additional Details about and i may be wrong to assume it is a him the identity of that whistleblower get out because i think weve seen that when this president makes veiled threats, that some of his supporters take them seriously and it turns into actual bombs and death threats. So it is a scary situation. And as somebody who worked in the intelligence world, what does it do to future people who have the same courage to want to talk about threats to National Security when the president says back in the day we would have killed him. I used to carry a card that laid out my duties. If i saw something in terms of the collection of intelligence that was illegal, i had a duty to report it. And that is something that the American Public has to have trust and faith in the intelligence community, that we keep secrets not protect president s, but to protect the nation. And part of the check is the whistleblower avenue. And to think that whistleblower you saw wrongdoing, spoke out and wrongdoing committed by the person who holds the highest office in this country and spoke out and did the right thing and followed their oath of office and is now being threatened, i mean, the president basically implied that he should be killed. You know, this is something that is shocking. It will have an effect. And the American People should be grateful that we have this whistleblower avenue, that this is part of the checks and balances that keeps this country nothing short of safe. And just to be clear, he threatened that the people who told him information are spies and back in the day he said that they used to kill spies. Let me splay ythe play you kama her exchange with barr back in may. Has the president or anyone at the white house ever asked or suggested that you open an investigation of anyone, yes or no, please, sir. The president or anybody else. Seems that you would remember Something Like that, be able to tell us. Yeah, but im trying to grapple with mean, there have b discussions of matters out there that they have not asked me to open an investigation, but perhaps they have suggested . I dont know, i wouldnt say suggest. Hinted . I dont know. Inferred . You dont know. Okay. Rosa, there is an implication that there is an investigation going on into the origins of the russia probe into Donald Trumps campaign. And it seems at the same that Donald Trumps world believes that the origins of this were in this sort of crack pot theory that it started with ukraine. So could it be possible that this very obedient attorney general could be attempting to make real this Conspiracy Theory through an investigation that has something to do with ukraine . Oh, sure. I think that we have several things going on. One, barr may be telling the truth in the sense that we already know that you had Michael Cohen, that clip earlier in the show, donald trump doesnt say i order you to open this investigation. He says as we saw in that phone call with ukraines president , he says wed like you to do us a favor though. And barr is not an idiot. When the president of the United States says do us a favor, open this investigation, it is not exactly an order, but you do it at least if you your primary goal is keeping your job and pleasing the president rather than following your constitutional oath. But the bigger thing going on here, this is the big live theory of politics, when dirt is coming your way that you deserve, you try to shovel dirt on to everybody else and if you have to just make stuff up, you make stuff up. You say it was joe bidens subverting our elections, some i could say joy, why are you subverting our elections. 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And joining me now, elizabeth holtzman, author of the case for impeaching trump. And jill winebanks, former special prosecutor. You wrote an oped titled i voted to impeach donald trump. What are the similarities to watergate do you think . Watergate and impeachment articles against Richard Nixon were based on a president who misused the power of his office, one, to get his political opponents, and, two, to win reelection. The whole coverup was based on keeping quiet the breakin and his campaigns connection to the breakinto the dnc at the Watergate Hotel so he could be reelected a the cover up was successful from june to january. And then it started to unravel and then that was the end of nixon. So we have with trump several similarities. The misuse of his office for personal political gain and not for the interests of the United States, and secondly, the use of his i have to goffic i have to his political opponents. And the socalled transcript where trump says you have to do me a favor, up to now weve been good, but you havent reciprocated, and he wants information, what does he wants a reciprocation . One thing he wants is dirt manufactured on biden. So this is just a kucouple examples with are a are regard they didnt like his policy, so he created an enemies list and he ordered the wrist irs to aud these people just to harass. This is misuse of the power of his i have to get at political opponents. One of the grounds for the articles of impeachment. Yeah. Second example, narrow example, was nixon authorized illegal wiretaps. One of those was of a former white house staffer who went to work for nixons main political opponent, ala biden, and he kept that wiretap going because he wanted inside information on that campaign. That was also one of the grounds for the articles of impeachment. The president cannot use his office, the high Awesome Office which is supposed to be for the benefit of the American People to enhance his election for his personal gain. And the huge difference, jill winebanks, is that in the case of this version of the watergate breakin, this is attempting to use a foreign government. I have not heard of any president of the 45 that weve had that is accused of essentially trying to i cant really call it conspire, in this case bully, extort, whatever you want to use, a foreign country, a foreign country, to try to get help to be reelected. I think that is a key and pretty shocking difference. It is definitely a difference. And it makes it much worse than watergate because of the involvement of a foreign ally. And especially a foreign ally who is in jeopardy from a foreign enemy of ours, from a hostile foreign power, russia right on their border. And the president is using his power to say im going to withhold taxpayer dollars until you do what i want you to do even though your country is at risk. But i think one of the other big differences was shown in the clip that you started this with of Richard Nixon resigning. He actually understood what government is and he actually acted in the benefit of the country by resigning. I dont think that donald trump has everyone the slightest shred of humility or understanding. I dont think that there is any chance that he would ever admit and resign in the interests of the American People. He has acted not just in terms of this ukranian effort, but in terms of his own financial gain by operating his businesses, by trying to hold the next g7 at his own resort, by having foreign governments stay at his hotels. All of this is really terrible. And he is accomplishing part of his purpose by just the fact that we are talking about his accusations false as they are, there is no evidence to support any of his accusations that ukraine was involved in starting or that they have the server at issue, there is not a shred of evidence that joe biden did anything that deserves to be investigated. But just by what they are doing and talking about, they are having an impact. And that is disgraceful. So i think that there is a lot of differences. And here is the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee adam schiff making much that same point. Take a listen. The president of the United States has betrayed his oath of office and sacrificed our National Security in doing so. Equipme what the framers thought of what would warrant the president s removal from office. And another key difference, republicans in both cases stood by nixon early on chbd a then turned on him. This particular brand of republican doesnt seem like they have the courage to ever turn on trump. They may not. But who knows what will come out. Remember when we started the watergate activity by the house judiciary commitment on impeachment, none of the republicans on the committee supported impeachment and im not sure any republican in the house of representatives did. By the time we accumulate the evidence and listened to the tapes and got all of the note, we had even seven had seven rep three southern democrats pro nixon districts. And now we begin to see some cracks. Two republican governors came out and said an impeachment inquiry is appropriate. We saw 100 of the Senate Support releasing the whistleblowers statement. You may be right, but it is possible, possible, that even we may not get all the republicans, but some may come along. And i have to ask you about your pin. Two pins today. 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Namely the ways donald trump has corrupted the president is i of the presidency of the united k twisted the i want sit into a vehicle to enrich himself and hi family, even at the expense of the military. We notice he and the administration have made the country uglier, crueller, less safe for people of color, for immigrants, lgbtq, and the air and the environment dirtier for all of us. Hes robbed hardworking americans to give more and more to the rich and the greedy. Hes corrupted the very creed of america as the home for the worlds tired and poor and those yearning to breathe free. This week we are reminded how the president has corrupted nearly every part of the administration to cling to power and protect himself from consequences of behavior which in some cases could be deemed as criminal. A whistleblower was brave enough to come forward to try and alert the congress that trump used a july 25th phone call to the president of ukraine to essential shake him down, to bully him to produce dirt on former Vice President joe biden and his son, to try to influence the next election. And to try to get him to invent information which would support trump and the rights insane Conspiracy Theory that russia didnt really attack our election in 2016, that o. J. Style, Rudy Giuliani and attorney general william barr would find the real culprit in ukraine. In that call, the ukrainian president pleaded to buy american beps so he could defend his country against russia, to which donald trump responded, i would like you to do us a favor, though. The call came one day, one day after Robert Mueller testified to congress and one week after trump had personally cut off crucial military aid to ukraine. The coverup that followed made it clear the extent to which donald trump has corrupted or government. Hes corrupted the vice presidency, according to the whistleblower complaint, he instructed mike pence to not attend zelenskys inauguration until the ukrainian president showed signs of compliance. According to the whistle blowers complaint, some tried to hide the transcript, by pitting it on a classified server that is supposed to hold the most sensitive National Security information. It is not intended to be used to cover up a president s misconduct. Then theres william barr, who has turned the department of justice into the department of personal Legal Defense of donald trump. Barrs office of Legal Counsel provided the pretext to try to keep the whistleblowers report out of the hands of congress. Trump has even seemingly constructed of director of National Intelligence, a respected navy admiral, acting dnimaguire took the whistleblowers complaint not to congress as the law demands, but to the subject of the complaint, the white house and doj. He struggled this week to explain to the House Intelligence Committee democrats why in the world he would do that. Donald trump has a talent for getting corruptible people to behave in corrupt ways, solely to protect him, not the office, not the country, him, and to humiliate themselves in the process. Theres always humiliation. Case in thick black marker point, the Republican Party, which may be the entity he has corrupted most of all, but this time donald trump got caught, redhanded. He got caught trying to corrupt the justelected president of ukraine. He got caught trying to drag president zelensky into the family, to make him corrupt his own justice department, like trump has corrupted ours, to recruit him to serve donald trump. This is not the muellers report slow and laborious request for information. This time he admitted to collusion with a foreign government. The white house put out written proof in a transcript summary. It was not a transcript, but their best spin on the ukraine conversation. Now trumps words to the president of ukraine i would like you to do us a favor, though, will likely haunt him for the rest of his life. Make him just the third american president to be subject to the congressional sanction and humiliation of impeachment. Nixon only escaped that humiliation by resigning first. Most significant lid trump would be the first and the only one out of 45 president s to be rebuked by the house of representatives for endangering an american election, and the National Security of his own country. So donald trump will very likely be impeached. Speaker pelosi has more than enough votes to do it. 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You were actually preaching to the congregation, that was so great. That was beautiful. Thank you. I cant wait to see you at the Global Citizens festival. See you there. Good day to all of you. Hi to you in the east, just about 9 00 a. M. Out west. New revelations about an infamous Oval Office Meeting and what the president reportedly told the russians. House democrats taking concrete steps in the impeachment probe. The timeline for the next two weeks as details you may not have heard yet. Plus the complaint a veritable laundry list of problematic charges. I think we can do it in a timely fashion. Thats what the republicans are worried about. Theyre worried about primaries, and worried about the wrath of trump. Here we go now. Plus what to expect from Supreme Court justice john roberts, and a potential Senate Impeachment trial. But developing right now at the top of the house, House Democrats making new and key moves as their impeachment inquiry intensifies, the chairs of the intelligence, oversight and Foreign Affairs committees issuing their first subpoena, that secretary of state mike pompeo produce documents relating to ukraine. The committee is scheduling depositions from five a officials, including kurt volume kerr, who resigned yet. The intelligence Committee Also said for a closeddoor briefing from inspector general