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Into an angry mob. You saw that today with the screaming and the shouting. Our base is fired up. We finally discovered the one thing that would fire up the republican base, and we didnt think of it. But the other side did it. The tactics that have been employed both by Judiciary Committee Democratic Senators and by the virtual mob thats assaulted all of us in the course of this process has turned our base on fire. Well, good morning, and welcome to a. M. Joy. If you ever doubted for a second that donald trump and his Republican Party are one and the same and that it just isnt true that there are somehow different wings of the Republican Party, think that no more because trump and his party, including Mitch Mcconnell have picked up the same talking point in the wake of Brett Kavanaugh confirmation, calling the hundreds of people that protested on the steps of the Supreme Court and the capital an angry mob and criminalizing the people that filled the senate hallways for weeks sharing their stories of Sexual Assault, only to be shut down by republican men. You know whats not an angry mob in trumps view, bands of torch yielding white nationalists chanting jews will not replace us. According to donald trump, both sides were to blame for the violence in charlottesville and he called some of these people, quote, very fine people. But Sexual Assault survivors demanding those to be heard by those in power, thats a mob according to trump and the republicans. Were 30 days out from the most important Midterm Election in a generation. Whats now clear is that donald trump, Mitch Mcconnell and their Republican Party plan to use Brett Kavanaughs confirmation to whip up the frenzy of division and fear that is the source of trump and republicans power. And joining me now is jennifer rue bin, opinion writer for the washington post, triffany scott and a former federal prosecutor. Thank you all for being here. I want to play for you what Lindsey Graham who used to be seen as this other fictional wing of the Republican Party when he was friends with john mccain. Now this is what he said about the allegations against Brett Kavanaugh that are interesting, and i just want you guys response. Here it is. I think he was treated well. I think the roles are reversed. Youre a prosecutor. Was Brett Kavanaugh treated like a slut, whore drunk . He was not. He was not even questioned by the fbi during the investigation. They protected him so that he wouldnt lie to them and he was not treated that way at all. In fact, thats happened to this poor woman is she came forward and discussed what happened to her and now the Republican Party is saying they dont believe her and they dont care. Once again, what we have done to women is to tell them, well, you can come forward and you can face the consequences, but ultimately nobody will believe you and it will all be for nothing. Thats what happened to her. Whats particularly depressing about the manner in which Susan Collins did it is that she got up there and said, well, there was no corroboration. A, there was corroboration as a manner of law. But on a deeper level it is more troubling because, you know, it used to be that women had to have corroboration in the 70s. It had to be there or you couldnt have a conviction. That was taken away by the feminist in the 80s. And Susan Collins spread that again by claiming that was required and it was not. And the idea that Brett Kavanaugh was treated that way implies, what used to be done to women, that is what was done to dr. Ford. Thats exactly what was done to her by the president of the United States. Right. Do you know where it was . No, i dont. How many beers did you have . I dont know. Donald trump literally did that to her and now they are trying to claim it was actually done to the alleged perpetrator. They do not want him who in this case are the victims to be the victims. They want white males to be the victims so they have to take that knnomenclature, whether its the mob assaulting us. Assaulting . No, that is what happened to dr. Ford. That is not peacefully demonstrating and sharing your story. But they believe and trump said it, it is a scarey time for men. They believe men are the white male victims. People kept asking, well, why dont they go to somebody else . Why dont they pick another judge that doesnt have this baggage. The message is white male fear. Yep. So it is not that this was incidental. This is the purpose of the party right now to stir up that fear. That is the message. The message is not we believe in originalism. The message is be afraid, white men. And thats what this party has dissolved into. Thats the message that talk radio pushed for decades. White men are under siege. They all want your stuff. They want to take away your town try. And donald trump is their perfect avatar. They used Susan Collins as the patina that said, were not against women. We just think the young lady dont remember who assaulted her. George saros used her. Here is a women making that exact argument. One Susan Collins who is still talking. She was on cnn. She talked for 40 minutes. I found dr. Fords testimony to be heart wrenching, painful, compelling, and i believe that she believes what she testified to. I dont think she was coming forth with a political motive. Do you still think it is possible that he did it . You just dont have the proof to back that up . I do not believe that Brett Kavanaugh was her assailant. So i believe that she was assaulted. I dont know by whom. And im not certain when. Tiffany, Susan Collins is not a lawyer. There was no thorough fbi investigation. Shes basing that fact on the belief that he said he didnt do it. To Lindsey Grahams point, shes basically turning the story line into shes just a confused adolescent, which is more insulting. This is that false analogy that Lindsey Graham tried to present, is that usually when it happens, it is somebody else creating that narrative. There are people assigning that narrative to a woman. In this case Brett Kavanaugh really told his own story. We heard from his mouth. Thats where we saw his true colors. Thats where he sawed because he worked out that he was this privileged virgin boy that could not do these things, which is obviously not true. I will give it to the republicans, they manipulated their base, the narrative and turned him into this father that could never do these things. Er time somebody has assaulted a women, there are plenty of women who they havent done those things to. You havent assaulted every Single Person you met, so it is quite possible for you to be a certain kind of person and then still be capable of sexually assaulting someone. If we take away the Sexual Assault charge, there is all these other things of perjury. We saw the Text Messages to his friends. Thats an issue for a jurist to get his friends to lie on his behalf. We didnt hear that. That wasnt a major story line. Everybody was so focussed on the Sexual Assault, but thats not to only thing causing huge major concerns. Lying about devils triangle is something you can look up on the urban dictionary. You cant have it both ways. You cant say i found her compelling. Oh, its so compelling and i have friends that come to me and i believe them and blah, blah, blah. You cant say you found all that true but then i dont think he did it. Thats saying i dont care. Right. Because shes in this nice, pink suit and everyone likes her, she has an aura of being more liberal than others. Yep. You know, shes a prop. And shes basically saying this woman is lying because there is no other way to do it. But nobody has the guts to say we think shes lying. And worse than that, she is the sole purpose in the United States senate that thinks this guy is suited. She never would have been elected. And she is out there telling us, well, this guy will get on the court. Hell change not a Single Person in the senate. The president of the United States doesnt buy that. No one does. But this is this myth making that they are engaged in in remaking someone so that it assuages their conscious. But shes not. I want to get some reporting here because there is a report now from the New York Times that said Brett Kavanaugh was told to show how he feels. At one point a dubious donald trump asked Mitch Mcconnell if Senate Republicans were really committed to seeing it through. Mitch mcconnell said absolutely yes. Im stronger than mule piss on this guy, he answered. I believe that. I believe Mitch Mcconnell wouldnt care what came forward. He was going to jam this guy through. Is this strategy of him screaming, crying, over emoting in a way a women could never have, is that a strategy handed to him in advance . Absolutely. Thats the approach the president likes and donald trump jr. Praised Brett Kavanaugh for displaying. Whats always interesting to me is who we allow to be angry in this society. If that were a blackman, white woman, a queer person yelling and sighing back and rolling his eyes, that would not have been tolerated. But what Lindsey Graham displayed is the same thing we have seen President Trump communicate. The real victim in the me too movement is the white man. What theyre doing is being defensive and trying to communicate to their base that if yall dont come out, this will be the new norm and society will change in ways that you cant even imagine. But if you stick with us, we will make America Great again. The challenge has been their vision for a Great America has not been great for people not like them. And Tucker Carlson made it clear. Lindsey graham literally said im a white man, so people think i have to be subtle. Theyre not being subtle. Can you imagine if you went into judge Brett Kavanaughs courtroom and behaved like he did . Id be in cuffs in the back. Yeah. I mean, that is not acceptable for anybody else. What he is now doing for the Supreme Court, this is the model of a Supreme Court justice, someone who dreams up a conspiracy spot, who thinks that an entire Political Party has conspired against him. The clintons went to get him. What progressive group, what progressive individual can go to the court and now be assured he or she is getting a fair trial. Its ludicrous. I think laura echoed the same thoughts as well. When you think about some of the comments that he made and some of the cases that could potentially come before the Supreme Court, it is a clear conflict of interest. When donald trump calls these people an angry mob i want to remind everybody in 2016 when the angry mob was at his campaign rally, one of his supporters sucker punched a Young Blackman and had to go to court. When i appear places, the visit ree yol that i get from people who are trump supports. Why so angry if you are winning . Exactly. Except we have to look for they have delegitimized the court. Im very concerned about that. The only way to deal with that is not to constantly focus on trump. Thats his game, right . We need to focus on winning elections. We cant just win the blue states because, after all, we won the popular vote in the last couple of elections and four justices sitting on the court are appointed by people who did not win the popular vote and are still president. We have to go to the red states and spread our message. Lets talk about the other courts below the Supreme Court that have been filled and seated with trump judges. One such court has been sent complaints about Brett Kavanaugh. Chief Justice Roberts has tabled them for now. So there is no if roberts is supposed to be the new saving grace, there is no pressure on him whatsoever to advance those complaints. Theyre dead. Theyre done. Theyre gone. There is no ethics code at the Supreme Court. There is no guidelines for recusal. They just do whatever they want because theyre the Supreme Court. And i think chief Justice Roberts really has to think whether he wants to preside over a Supreme Court that is no longer looked upon as legitimate. If it is just shirts and skins, if it is just red and blue and power politics, why should we Pay Attention . Arent we already there . The Supreme Court has shown we know how four or five of them are going to vote every time down the line. Well, there is also multiethics complaints against him in the lower court. You know who will decide on those, merrick garland. Hello were going to come back. You will be back with us. Its so great to finally have you on the show. Thank you for inviting me. Hopefully you can come back. And donald trump is playing the victim on behalf of privileged white men who are at risk and receiving their due process. Before we go, i want to play a little bit of sound from Clarence Thomas and what he said after the contentious nominating process that has now made him one of the 40 of conservative men on the court who have Sexual Conduct allegations on the table. Heres what he said back then. I think that no matter how difficult or how painful the process that has been that this is a time for healing in our country. That we have to put these things behind us, that we have to go forward and that we have to begin to look for ways to solve problems that i think became apparent through this process and certainly had been apparent in our country for some time. But this is more time for healing, not a time for anger or for anonymous or animosity. Ty and weve grown substantially. So i switched to the spark cash card from capital one. And last yeaimous or animosityh. Thats right, 36,000. Which i used to offer Health Insurance to my employees. 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Donald trump has been accused by 19 different women of Sexual Harassment or misconduct. 19. But this past week he used the Brett Kavanaugh nomination to wallow in selfpity and to launch with the help of the entire Republican Party a campaign to gaslight americans into believing that we are living in the middle of a war on men in which elite men are societys real victims, the ones that never get due process and they are at the mercy of all powerful wicked women because women has so much power. He has never demonstrated due process for everyone except, of course, donald trump and for Donald Trumps standins like Brett Kavanaugh who remains credibly accused by three women of sexual misconduct. On the other side of who deserves due process, the central park five, teenagers accused of the brutal rape of a white jogger in the 1980s. Donald trump personally took out full page ads calling for the Death Penalty for the teens. Thats before they were even brought to trial. And even after they were exonerated by dna evidence after some of them more than a decade in prison, donald trump refused to acknowledge that they were, in fact, innocent because for donald trump due process means only one thing, letting donald trump and men like donald trump get away with everything. Joining us is former Deputy Assistant attorney general elliot williams. Elliot, we can put back up that ad. This says bring back the Death Penalty. Bring back our police just to show that donald trump is consistent over time. He hasnt changed at all. He made a statement way late. Fast forward to october of 2016. This was Donald Trumps statement about the central park five. This is him as a president ial candidate. They admitted they were guilty. The fact that the case was settled with so much evidence against them was outrageous. That is donald trump still saying the central park five were still guilty. So donald trump and due process really havent met. I know exonerated. But i think they got a 41 million settlement. So the courts have blessed their position on this. So there are all kinds of inconsistencies with how the president of United States treats due process and peoples entitlement of due process. Immigration, the entire immigration policy of this administration has been about restricting and limiting due process. Frankly, involving mostly black and brown people. So he tweeted in june that, you know, send them back without any courts or anything like that. A very trumpian tweet. So there is all there is a big inconsistency in how the president tweets due process. A lot of it comes down to race and culture. We know this. We have talked about this. Its been since he announced even as a candidate back in 2015 or whatever. What do we do about it . It is time to start looking towards electing individuals that are going to hold this president accountable and ultimately looking to 2020 and electing a better president. But a majority of the United States congress and frankly even a super majority of the United States congress sen abling this behavior. It enabled it yesterday with its vote and it will continue to. We can keep having the conversation about the inconsistencies with due process, but it is time to start acting and it is time to Start Holding accountable the people letting this president s behavior run wild. It is fairly obvious after this experience with Brett Kavanaugh that the only difference between Lindsey Graham, Mitch Mcconnell and donald trump are the accents. You wrote a piece saying men dont feel safe against false persecution. Thats not a new feeling for black men. Black men are feeling the way white men are trying to appropriate saying were the ones that are the real victims here. And have been for a while. He made it in mississippi. Now, the president hasnt tried to present himself as being a student of history. If he had, he would not have made that statement in a place that gave us the story of a blackman falsely accused of Sexual Assault. And even now trumps own department of justice is supposedly having an investigation right now looking into those false allegations. History, American History and trump has continued to spread that history with the central park five, has been a time where black men cannot trust the courts to respect them and give them the benefit of the doubt and treat them as if they are arent until Proven Guilty and this idea that that is a new experience in america suggests that you are disconnected from the experience of huge percentages of people in america. And pat bucannon at the time issued a statement or commented that we only have justice if these men are hanging or been hanged in central park. Women can only feel safe if these men are hanging. Think about those images and what that represents. I was a teenager in new york at the time. You could not feel safe as a person of color. And so donald trump has also been very particular about the way that he believes police should treat people of color or treat people that he doesnt think are in his ledger. This is in july of 2017. I said please dont be too nice. Like when you guys put somebody in the car and youre protecting their head, you know, the way you put their hand over. Like dont hit their head and theyve just killed somebody. Dont hit their head. I said, you could take the hand away, okay . I mean, as a person of color seeing donald trump parade with all of these police behind him, knowing you have seen Police Officers pose in maga hats, knowing there is a lot of brutality. Now donald trump is saying dont be nice. Be more brutal. Be more mean. Thats what i want you to do. How are people in this country supposed to feel safe with donald trump as president . With the department of justice that immediately brought back mandatory minimums with attorney general Jeff Sessions telling attorneys all across the country to push for the hardest, highest sentence possible. I think its going to be really challenging. I think, though, the concern for me to elliots point, he brought up race. We have to acknowledge that is at the center of a lot of these comments. People like to shy away from that. It is an uncomfortable topic for people not confronted by it every day like a lot of us are. I often wonder he makes these common st false statements and remarks to people and they are celebrated by a small percentage of people in this country. But this small percentage are influencing politics akcross ou country. The irony is his base, even though the willful ignorance cant be challenges, they face a lot of things the color do. The Education System failed them. They are economically disadvantaged. This president has benefit from that disadvantage. And there isnt a lot of there is too much reliance on cable news outlets. There is too much reliance on fox news. There is too much reliance on his twitter feed. I have concluded sadly you cannot. You have to energize to your point, elliot. You have to energize a base thats willing to come out. If you are a republican, a conservative, there has to be checks and balances in the government. I truly skew left. I miss the Republican Party that was sensible, that was seeing people that could articulate and have a Healthy Exchange of ideas on how to make this country great, full stop, period. And we dont have that anymore. There is one side not shying away from talking about race. They fully embrace the idea they will overtly talk about race. But in their view it is what Andrew Sullivan said last night that this is the real problem. Take one individual and use that individual to say all white men are this. No one said actually thats not true. Everyone said it. First of all, everyone did not say it. You have a wave of coverage about white male privilege. Thats whats on trial. You are breaking my heart. Absolutely not. I understand your message is that somehow white men are aggrieved here in america. It is just not true. Thats the new message. Andrew sullivan took from this whole debate on Brett Kavanaugh that all white men are being called rapists. He said everyone said it. Every media outlet, everyone attacked white men and he has articulated what they believe the real problem is. You talk about Lindsey Graham a little bit earlier in the show and the idea of im a white southern man, i need to keep my mouth shut and the ability of men in power, whether thats men or white people, whatever, to feel aggrieved when others seek equally and when others simply try to level the playing field, the mere fact of, you know, this rhetoric of feeling left out and feeling like theyre minorities or Something Like that, it is prepostero preposterous. I want to just before we go remind people that there is another group that apparently republicans feel are oppressing them. They are oppressing white men and it is women. Let us remind ourselves that used to be a chant that was used for Hillary Clinton because due process is so important that you have to do this to Hillary Clinton. Now they have added Christine Blasey ford to the list. Lets play that real quick. Donald trump who channelled George Wallace during his Campaign Rallies in saying drag protesters out, punch them out, ill pay for your bail has presided for two years now over chants of lock her up, lock her up about women that he feels are in his way because dueprocess. Democrats have 30 days to get voters to the polls. We will tell you how theyre doing next. We will tell you how theyre doing next managing my type 2 diabetes wasnt my top priority. Until i held her. I found my tresiba® reason. Now im doing more to lower my a1c. 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We have seen just in the last seven days or so some initial polling that has shown that republican enthusiasm is increasing. We have seen it in montana and south dakota. There are some good signs for republicans. I think the question is will that story remain. This story will not dominate the headlines going forward. But we will go on to other things i suspect as some point here. I think the question is are Republican Voters angry enough that there is a backlash and is that going to be a difference in the 27 swing seats for the house where both parties are running active and well funded campaigns which will determine the majority in congress. And then the 12 or 13 senate races that are competitive. Thats the question. And will republican enthusiasm meet the democratic enthusiasm. Thats the big question going forward. Let me go to my pollster question who among other things is a terrific pollster. So the numbers right now are that democrats and republicans in terms of the southern states, which is where a lot of these battles are playing out. There is lots of southern action. Would you vote for gop candidates 48 , would you vote for democratic candidates, 43 . So thats a big nbc news poll. But the quinnipiac numbers on Brett Kavanaugh himself are that he was underwater. Vote to confirm 42 , not to confirm was 48 . Is there a way to parse those two things . Republicans have an advantage in terms of who people intend to vote for in the south. Yeah. I think the trend is undeniable in terms of as matt pointed out intensity did pick up a bit. While Brett Kavanaugh is not perhaps the most popular justice, he was the republican justice that would tilt the Court Conservative possibly for a generation or more. Thats one has to look at, while they were able to overcome any concerns over that versus the bigger prize. This has been a systemic effort. Now the dooms day scenario is here. The Trump Administration now controls the three branches of government. Thats not unique in the american experience. What is unique about that, joy, is that this is the first president and administration in memory that has declared war on the institutions of the United States, be it the fbi, the cia, the intelligence community, law and order and also specific segments of society, whether it be muslims, hispanics and over this fight of war on women. Thats what makes it so dangerous. If democrats have to question the intensity gap then all hope may be lost. There is 30 days, 30 days for these elections which are critical to the history for the future of this country, where i believe american democracy as we know it is on the ballot. Yeah. Just, tiffany, to look at how people feel about how important the elections are. Democrats 82 in october said that is very important. Republicans 80 say it is important. Republican turnout is fairly consistent. It is democratic turnout, people of color and young people that dont show up. Do you see any sign that that is changing this cycle . Absolutely. I think it is interesting to me when i hear, will this last . The republicans were pissed off during the obama years. I think they are quite capable of holding a grudge for however long it takes. When i look at races, particularly in the south, you have lucy mcbath that got a huge amount of attention. It was one of the most expensive house races in the year. Now shes running again. When you look at people you have desantis who has come out and there is no debate. We dont have to ask the question is he racist. Hes already shown his colors. You will have florida voters in that georgia six race that say, no, this is not acceptable behavior. We dont want to see these things. I think the Brett Kavanaugh vote has inner sienergized the base. It is up to the people running to make sure they are reaching out to the proper communities, some of those marginal communities, rural black voters. Latino voters had not been reached out to by a major campaign. So i think people are going to have to rethink some of their strategy and their field operations. They have to employ people who look like the base theyre trying to reach. You cannot have a campaign full of staffers who dont look like the people you are trying to represent who come from outside the district. I think if they do that, i think they will see some shift. You also have the race in california. This is somebody really out front on a lot of issues. Dunkin hunter who under all kinds of ethics evaluations, this is a tight race. This should not be a tight race. This is a majority minority district and he is running. He complained he hadnt gotten a lot of help. So i think there are opportunities and victory. It is up to the democrats to capitalize it. What do you think will be the Biggest Surprise on Election Night. What race do you think will go the way people do not expect it. Thats an interesting question. I think if you look at the trends, whats going to matter is suburban white women. Most of these districts for the house are suburban districts. If suburban white women end up moving in the republican direction because of Brett Kavanaugh thing arent they already there . True, true. Independent, suburban white women, if we are going to be that december cryptive, correct. They will have power in determining where the House Majority goes. They only need 13 of them, the democrats do, to take the house back. This thing is right on the razors edge. It is 60 likely that democrats take the house back. I think rick scott will win florida. I think thats going to be a big s surprise on Election Night. What do you think will be the big surprise on Election Night . I think texas senate. If that has truly inspired the nation. I think if he wins, thats going to be momentous. Thats the one im looking at, texas. Look at the south. No chance. Texas, georgia, florida. You will be looking to the south. It is all about the south this year. South, south, south. Thank you all very much. In our next hour, the New York Times block buster on trumps finances that came three years too late. And our tend to watch series focuses on the volunteers. Brett kavanaughs potential impact on the mueller investigation. Ler investigation. Its americas most popular street name. But allstate agents know thats where the similarity stops. If youre on park street in reno, nevada, the high winds of the Washoe Zephyr could damage your siding. And thats very different than living on park ave in sheboygan, wisconsin, where ice dams could cause water damage. But no matter what park you live on, one of 10,000 local allstate agents knows yours. Now that you know the truth, are you in good hands . Billions of problems. Dry mouth . 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I want to play you one more sound bite. This is senator amy klobuchar. Im asking about your position that you stated in this law review article that a president is not subject to investigations while in office. On constitutional position on criminal investigation and prosecution i did not take a position on the constituti constitutionality, period. On the idea that i talked about was something for congress to look at if it wanted. Natasha, this man is an open admitted partisan. He was a partisan operative for years. Is the white house and Congressional Republicans counting on him to be the fifth vote to protect donald trump from being investigated by robert mueller. I dont know if theyre counting on him but we do know this is something the white house did consider when they were discussing who to nominate for the Supreme Court. This record that judge kavanaugh has, now Supreme Court Justice Kavanaugh has saying that the president should not be burdened by criminal investigation is welldocumented and its something that when considering who to nominate they did look at it. And its really interesting because, of course, kavanaugh has a view of executive power thats well outside the mainstream. He has said and he said in 1999 that the nixon case may have been wrongly decided. Of course, the nixon case was kind of held up as a marker of judicial independence. It was a decision that really is kind of taboo and harrissy to say that you dont agree with it because the nixon the decision ultimately said that a president is not above the law. That a president has to comply with a subpoena, especially if that if the fruits of that subpoena contain evidence of a crime. So this is something where, you know, he walked that back in 2016. He said that he did not actually think that the nixon case was wrongly decided. He kind of reversed course there, probably because he knew that perhaps it was outside of the mainstream and he was gunning for a position on the court but many of his positions are also in line with this idea that you dont want to restrict a president s power because he was, of course, in the george w. Bush white house after 9 11 and that gave him a more expansive view on how the president should be treated. He should not be burdened by criminal investigations, et cetera. So this is something that sits squarely within his mind set, within his perspective and its i dont think its something thats just going to go away when he ascends to the Supreme Court. There are questions that the other conservative justices would agree with his perception of executive power. Of course, again, it is quite outside the mainstream as far as how he perceives it, but it is because he now is you know, hes taken the place of Anthony Kennedy who was the center of gravity and theres no longer a swing vote there, i think its definitely something we have to watch. I think we can guess where at least three of them stand. Daily beast article talks about the kremlins for kavanaugh. The russian state media isbacking the nomination. What do you make of that . It makes total sense. It was a very divisive issue. The country was completely torn be apart by the cavanaugh nomination and that is whats kremlin capitalizes on. The boots and the kremlin would promote him or galvanize people that were against him. This would be a very good thing for russia in theory if kavanaugh were to be faced with a decision about whether or not, for example, a president should be should have to comply with a subpoena or, for example, whether or not a president could fire directly bob mueller. That is something that is also at play here because the justice department, despite having these rules in place that say the president cannot fire him except for cause, it is definitely something that could be rolled back, for example, if it went to the Supreme Court and if kavanaugh and the other justices had to decide on it. I dont think anyone can have any confidence that that is not exactly what the Supreme Court with this person on it and so many partisan people on that side, that thats exactly what theyre going to do. Natasha bertrand, thank you very much for your time. More am joy after the break. Tech dont wait for a chip like this to crack your whole windshield. With safelites exclusive resin, you get a strong repair that you can trust. Plus, with most insurance a safelite repair is no cost to you. Customer really . singers safelite repair, safelite replace. One look at you and i cant disguise ive got hungry eyes applebees new 3course meal starting at 11. 99. Now thats eatin good in the neighborhood. It definitely is informing. Its not been easy for me. I started off in brooklyn. My father gave me a small loan of 1 million. I had to pay him back. None of that is true. None of that is true. Welcome back to am joy. This week the Supreme Court showdown resulting in the highly divisive confirmation of Brett Kavanaugh. 18 months in the making called into question that trump is a selfmade billionaire. Well, it turns out that gilded narrative is not true, not even a little bit true. The times through a vast trove of financial records and more than 200 tax returns from trumps father fred, his companies and other trump entities concluded that donald trump helped his parents dodge taxes, set up a sham corporation to hide millions of dollars in gifts, help them take improper Tax Deductions worth millions more and put together a scheme to under value his parents real estate empire by hundreds of millions of dollars on tax returns to reduce the tax bill that he and his siblings would pay when they inherited it. Altogether the times found trump got the equivalent of, get this, at least 413 million in todays money from his fathers real estate empire. In a statement trumps lawyer called the story 100 false and highly defamatory. We have jennifer record, eugene scott and msnbc contributor, charlie sights. Charlie, your tweet informed us. Equivalent of, thanks a lot, New York Times, wish you had done that three years ago when it could have mattered in the election. What do you make of this . This is thick. Its quite a thick report. What do you make of the fact that were now finding out how extensive the tax dodging was . Can you hear me, snerk. Ye eric . I was going to say, this would have been helpful in 2016. There was aggressive reporting on the trump fraud of his charities and business but it seemed for every tough story about trump the press had to do an equally tough story on clinton, pretending that her speeches were dubious, the clinton that were sending inexpensive drugs to aids victims in africa was a fraud. The press was committed to showing them both as frauds. If he couldnt tell the truth, neither could she. Well, it turns out we know that isnt true and trump, you know, the foundation was basically a ponzi scheme and we know that he didnt get money from his parents is a joke. Better late than never. I think the idea that he is a fraud and a cooked, thats kind of been baked into the narrative at this point. Unfortunately, i think its too late for this. I watched it, i dont want to get them in the business of watching the New York Times. Eric, you dont work for either paper. The New York Times, its a great paper, one of the great papers in american life. They did spend a lot of time reporting on things like the clinTon Foundation. They retweeted a big picture of clinton cash, Steve Bannons highly fiction allized account of the clinTon Foundation. Cash flow to clip Ton Foundation amid russian uranium deal. They did print a big chunk of clinton cash. Lets go to 10. Snopes debunked this idea that Hillary Clinton somehow gave away 20 of the United States uranium to russia. Thats not true in exchange for clinton donations. It was ruled false. The other story that all the other papers did, that was obsessive. A word cloud on Hillary Clinton if you do that during the campaign, the big word is emails. Absolutely. It is what the media obsessed over day after day after day and there was a study that was actually done that said clintons emails got as much front page coverage in six days as her policies got in 69 days. These findings were pub 3w4rishd in the columbia journalism review. The starkest discovery that in just the six days they ran as many stories about her emails as all policies. This was your beef in your tweet. What do you make of that fact . Yeah. No, if you look back at the clinton coverage, there was very little policy coverage. Why was that . The reason there was so little policy coverage is the press created this entire brandnew category of emails so, you know, there wasnt enough time, there wasnt enough space to do emails and policy. What would she be like as president . Whats her agenda . Whats her taxes look like . Whats the Foreign Policy . That was put in the trash. They feasted on emails and these kind of scandal stories. So it really wasnt credible that the 2016 campaign, there wasnt much discussion about her policy because they had to cover the emails. Just on a quick point about the New York Times story getting buried. They worked on this for 18 months. I really have no idea why they dropped this in the middle of kavanaugh week. Everyone knew there was a definitive deadline. Everybody knew there was going to be a vote on the weekend. Why if youre working on a story, you have the scoop, why not wait until after the kavanaugh controversy, publish it on sunday and give it a run. We know donald trump is obsessed with the New York Times so i think whenever they published it he was going to notice it. I want to read one counter point. New york public wrote a piece saying the times has been publishing hard hitting and controversial journalism since the whitewater scandal in the 90s, the Monica Lewinsky and to clintonites, theyre paranoid. There is one thing that i think is absolutely true no matter what side of the political aisle you fall on. Republicans and some liberal democrats despise the clintons. A lot of that is fueled by the belief that they have an ongoing story of corruption. It was an obsession during the 2016 election. Do you think in the end that it matters now that were finding out that there was so much more about donald trump that wasnt unearthed that all we did was focused on her emails . You know, this is an interesting question that well never actually know, but, you know, i do think that it was baked into the cake back in 2016 that the guy was a fraud. I remember talking to my audience telling them about trump universituniversity, trum trump airlines. All of these failures and bankruptcies and none of it actually penetrated. Look, we do have to acknowledge what an extraordinary act of journal 4ri678 this is by the New York Times. We are living in a golden age of in depth investigative reporting. Would it have made a difference in 20 16 . I dont know. Will it make a difference now . Probably not because this is all baked into the cake. But it does reinforce this gap between who donald trump says he is, what his base thinks he is, and the reality and that really highlights this extraordinary moment where we are basically let by somebody whose entire reputation is fictitious and is based on a fraudulent image. Donald trump created a tv show that was on nbc called the apprentice. Based on the fiction that he built this empire himself. That fiction is why hes president. People believe the donald trump from the apprentice is real. This is an extraordinary piece of journalism. Lengthy, in depth. Donald trumps parents, fred and mary, transferred well over 1 billion in wealth to their children which could have produced a tax bill of 550 million. Instead they paid 55. 2 million, 5 tax records show. At the end of the day it is all fraudulent. Donald trump inherited hundreds of millions of dollars. Will they care . Absolutely not. I covered the campaign and ive spoken with voters this week in arizona and kansas and they heard these attacks, these stories from the left and legitimate stories from the media during the campaign putting his wealth and credibility into question and they didnt care. In some instances they praised his ability to get over on the government, to beat the system and to pay as few taxes as possible, which quite frankly is a value held highly in many wings of conservatism. What many of them dont realize is that in not paying taxes, funds that could have gone to benefit people from these low income communities that trump said he was trying to help were not helped. The only people who appear to be helped based on this story was the trump family. This is why trump spent so much time not only attacking the New York Times but the Mainstream Media together that allows the base to say its all rubbish. When you dont release your tax returns and when your lawyer comes out and says its false, reporters say what part is false, you say its all false, its all bad, theres no way to really get to the bottom of it if you really want to know what happened. Hell make something up. It doesnt matter. Donald trump by age 3 earning 200,000 a year. Little kiddy war bucks. He was a millionaire by age 8. Soon after he graduated from college he was receiving 1 million a year from his father. Had democrats had this information, in hindsight maybe portraying him the way that mitt romney was portrayed. Mitt romney didnt get away with being baby war bucks. Donald trump did. Well, we will not know. Frankly, a difference of about 78,000 votes in three cities if our exfbi director had not come forward. Comey. James comey had not come forward we would have had a different outcome. Had the press been more balanced, we would have had a different outcome. There are a million ifs and buts. What eugene said is right. These people do not care. It makes him all the more phenomenal because he look how he outfoxed us all. But i will say this, it manners one respect. It matters that there is no statute of limitations on civil tax fraud. Right. And that the state of new york is going after him. It will be very interesting if the state of new york presents him with a billion for a few hundred Million Dollars yeah. That will matter to him. You know what, theres no pardon. Theres no way of getting out of it. Its a bill. At least until it goes to the Supreme Court and Brett Kavanaugh gives him a get out of jail free card. The department is reviewing the allegations in the New York Times article and is vigorously pursuing all appropriate avenues of investigation the new York State Department of taxation cites. Donald trumps sister, it appears he wasnt alone in benefitting from these tax schemes. He has a sister whos actually a sitting judge and shes also implicated. Mary ann trump berry, then a federal judge whom fred trump, the father often consulted on legal matters, donald trump and his siblings disguised this. Lets say the department of new York Department of taxation went after him, would that hurt him . It proves the deep state is real. They would probably say that. Theres real legal jeopardy here when you are talking about acts of fraud. The base may think this is very, very clever but, you know, i mean, were all old enough to remember when americans would have thought that really super rich people who are defrauding the government, lying about their taxes and then making the rest of us pay a bigger share would have been a big deal, but im also fascinated about sort of whats not in the New York Times piece, the brilliance of the New York Times piece is of course that it follows the money. Theres more money to be followed here. One of the questions that i have and i think other people would have, when daddy stopped bank rolling donald trump, when he stopped shoving the money into it, who picked up the slack . Who is the next sugar daddy . And i do think this goes to the heart of trump, ink, and the clep to being kra si that we live in right now to follow the money and to see where that came from more recently. And so thats why i do think that this is relevant. Will the base care . No. But i think theres some really interesting answers there. Could the answer rhyme with prussia . Yeah, i mean, somebody paid. Eric, last question to you, exit question. One of the themes in this piece, in the New York Times piece, is that part of the reason that fred trump was shoveling so much money specifically to donald is because he was such a terrible businessman, that he was such a failure at everything he tried to do that the father kept having to bail him out. Does that narrative should democrats be picking up that narrative, a little bit more of a narrative of failure . Yeah, its possible. He has created the narrative. The New York Times didnt think it was a game changer. Over the weekend the d. C. Bureau produced a pace saying what an amazing, wonderful week trump had because he was able to cram through a Supreme Court justice with 43 no votes, the most no votes since justice thomas. Trump had a winning week and the story doesnt really matter. Theres a strange symbiotic relationship, love hate relationship between donald trump and the times could be the subject of many, many books. Jennifer and eugene will be back with us. Go off and have a wonderful brunch and have a wonderful day. More am joy coming up. Totally false attack based on an old recycled news story. Im not going to sit and go through every single line of a very boring 14,000 word story. The only thing i will say the one thing the article did get right was it showed the president s father had a great deal of confidence in him. This wasnt boring. I read it this morning. Wasnt boring at all. The white house dismissed this blockbuster New York Times report suggesting that donald trump, quote, participated in dubious tax schemes during the 1990s during instances of outright fraud. Deals a massive blow to trumps decades long boot strap narrative that his empire from the hotel, choppers, casino emblazoned with his name and a teeny, tiny 1 million loan from his daddy. Another detail the New York Times challenged reporting, quote, fred trump actually length trump 60. 7 million or 140 million in todays dollars. Joining me now, david k. Johnson of d. C. Report dot org and author of its even worse than you think, what the Trump Administration is doing to america. And Timothy Obrien, author of trump nation. The two of you were reporters who the whole time have been trying to tell people that this donald trump narrative was a lie. Tim, you got sued over it. What do you think now that the media is catching up that its all a fraud. Donald trump has been running one of the longest frauds in American History about his wealth, talent as a businessman, relation ship with his father. Through and through hes tried to maintain this myth that hes much more competent and selfmade than he is. Any reporting that goes towards correcting the fact pattern around that is always welcome. I reported that he depended on fred trump. It was one of the things he sued me for. In the course of my reporting he said to me, i give you my word, i never borrowed any money from the estate, i. E. , i never borrowed any money from my father. We got him under oath in litigation in a deposition. We presented him with records that showed he had indeed borrowed extensively from the family. The white house is lying when they say they attack him on that front. Whats new in the New York Times report isnt really his dependence on fred trump which was a known quantity or that he got loans from fred trump, i think its the size of the inheritance that he got from the family and all of these maneuvers, possibly fraudulent maneuvers that he and his siblings undertook to protect that money from the tax man. David k. Johnson whos been reporting on this forever and ever and ever, i will say that the times is another clip documented 295 streams of revenue that fred trump created over five decades to enrich his son, in most cases his four other children benefitted equally. Over time his father found ways to give him more money. Donald trump and his siblings, not just trump alone, could owe new york state moore than 400 million in unpaid taxes, interest, and penalties based on this times report of this billion dollars worth of real estate transferred to them. Do you think that new york state will ever have any prayer of ever collecting that money . Yes, indeed, i do. Donald was tagged twice for civil tax fraud over his 1984 tax return which was far and away the richest year he ever had up to that point. He lost both cases and was heavily criticized by the judges as i report in my book the making of donald trump. And the new york state can go after them for civil fraud back to day one. So can the federal government and what i believe were going to see happen here is if the democrats win control of the house or the senate, they will use the times article as a roadmap to begin digging into this and this is senior level major massive calculated tax cheating. Remember, the Vice President sp resigned over bags of groceries. Richard nixons tax lawyer went to prison over what this is basically a nixons case, a wading pool compared to a small ocean of tax fraud by the trumps, and we need to see donalds recent year tax returns because im sure it will show it. I dont want to use the mob. Should other people whose last name is trump be concerned that that may be the tactic, that there could be action against the family in that same way . Of course they have to worry about that, joy. I think a name weve talked about on your show before, hes come up in my writing is alan wiseleburg who was the trump he was fred trumps accountant. Hes the same age as donald. 72 or so and then he became the cfo of the trump organization. He has had decades of involvement with the trumps managing their income tax returns, managing their accounting. Cooperating with the Southern District of new york and i suspect he will be a very valuable map maker for them should they choose to dig into this. One of the other things in this report beyond just the potentialingal for tax fraud is what it reveals about trumps character. Theres a moment in this story about fred trumps wealth where hes slipping into alzheimers still has clarity almost tried to change the terms so he can get control of freds estate and the family fortune and he becomes alarmed by this and his daughter, maryanne trump berry to take a look at this. She, too, is disturbed by it. They end up hiring a new estate lawyer so they can keep the family money out of Donald Trumps clutches and at the end of the day given the opportunity donald trump will try to even steal from his own family members. Yeah, absolutely. David, we dont even get into the fact that part of this real estate empire of fred trumps was built on discriminating against people of color and said they couldnt move into his many buildings. Knowing Donald Trumps character, if in fact the federal government were to go after his family, maryanne trump, former federal judge, would donald trump care as long as theyre not going after him . You know, donald will always be first and foremost after saving himself, but it would be i dont know how donald would react. Tim may have a better insight into that if the state goes after them, but one thing to keep in mind here is that thievery, cheating, lying have been family practice. Fred trump not only discriminated, he riptd off the taxpayers for 36 million causing president eisen hhower throw a fit because it was returning g. I. S from world war ii that fred was harming. Apples and trees and david k. Johnson, Timothy Obrien two of the best reporters out there. Been covering donald trump for a very long time. I recommend reading both of their books. Thank you both for being here. Really appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. Susan collins, 40minute long speech and shes still talking. 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President ial alert . This system was the result of years of careful planning for use only in cases of national emergency. Failing New York Times says i cheated on taxes. Duh, its called being smart. What is this. Warning, white men are under attack. Oh, no. Kid rock sounds better than ever. Congrats to good guy Brett Kavanaugh believemen. Hi. We can always count on snl to help us laugh through the authoritarian nightmare. Meanwhile, take a look at how the snl treated the big scotus week. We couldnt have done it without Susan Collins. Susan, get over here. Do i talk again . No. This is all susan. Oh, please, the last thing i wanted was to make this about me. Thats why i told everyone to tune in at 3 00 p. M. , so i could tell all my female supporters, psych whew thats our girl. Our one girl yeah. More am joy after the break. K. Im happy that those who tried to destroy his life fell short. Im glad those that tried to overturn the rule of law and replace it with mob rule lost. Ive never been more pissed in my life. I voted for so the tow mayor and kagan. I would never have done this. This was assassination. To the extent that i came to the aide of this goodman and helped defeat this debacle, i am happy as a clam. Happy as a clam to help Justice Kavanaugh. Mitch mcconnell who claims it wasnt broken at all was on fox news saying merit garland did nothing wrong. Here he is. We didnt attack merit garlands background and try to destroy him. We didnt go on a search and destroy mission. We followed the tradition. If you have a party of a Different Senate of a Different Party than the president , you dont fill a vacancy created in a president ial year. Now hes changed the goalposts. He used to say that its never done that you confirm any of them. Thats what he was saying at the time. Hes now added the caveat that its if the president is of a Different Party. The reason hes saying that is sound bite number two, well, would you rule out pushing through Supreme Court nomination in Donald Trumps final year a . Here he is. The answer to your question is well see if theres a vacancy in 2020. Youre not ruling out since youre the republican majority leader, republican president that you would go for and push the nomination of a Trump Nominee in the Election Year . What im telling you is the history is you have to go back to 1880 to find the last time a senate controlled party different from the president filled a vacancy on the Supreme Court that was created in the middle of a president ial Election Year. Thats been the history. This isnt tortured logic but your witness. You know what, surprising this this week we saw america uphold white patriarchy and now we have to get gas lit by Mitch Mcconnell. I think the only thing we can be grateful for is november is still around the corner and we need to remember is that the denial of a white man is worth more than a womans truth. We need to get kiki and find out what is going on. Susan collins was in her feelings, she was describing her feelings. She was on cnn, all of her feelings, here she is. After hearing christine fords compelling and painful testimony, i thought, oh, my goodness, he perhaps needs to withdraw and but then when he came back with such a forceful denial and the anger and anguish that he showed and then the lack of corroboration led me back to the fundamental issues that are fundamental to our legal system of presumption of innocence and fairness. Eugene, who knew that we could throw open all the prison doors, why dont all of those people incarcerated just forcefully deny that they done whatever it is they said they had done. My god, that was the answer. Why are so many people locked up . All they had to do is say it loudly and cry. Everyone doesnt have the same opportunity to be angry, yell, point fingers. If that were the case we would have seen that happen. Collins said ford was compelling, painful. Because he said he didnt do it therefore his word was so much more compelling. But he was angry, upset, he cried and he finger pointed and that was believable. Collins voted the way she did in part because shes on the same page with many republicans despite constantly being painted as a moderate because she has been in other areas, but when it comes to believing women and processing the me too movement in this situation, she doesnt believe women and thats what she said this morning. Do people expect for collins to vote differently . I mean, i dont understand. They shouldnt have. It was a fraud. This was undecided. It was a fantasy and frankly maybe we should stop having these hearings. People pretend theyre undecided. Stop talking. Shes going on the sunday talk shows. Susan collins, we get it. What youre saying doesnt make any sense. You cant say you believe dr. Ford but you think kavanaugh didnt do it. Mistaken. This is actually a point that we need to talk about the media here. This fiction that Susan Collins was undecided which i agree with you was never true. She had been saying basically openly that she was trying to find an excuse to vote yes but for some reason she was portrayed as undecided. Flake was not undecided, portrayed as undecided. Is this a flaw in the machine . To begin with, they lie. We take them at face value. I think i and many other people kept noting that she kept coming up with these ludie ludicrous e. She said that bore sick was going to uphold roe v. Wade. It was clear she was rationalizing all along. She was not undecided. She was not candid. She was not forthright. You know whose mind was made up, Lisa Murkowski who did listen and did absorb what was being said and changed her mind. Yeah. You would like to think that senators are that way, but theyre not. It is tribal loyalty down the road. Absolutely. To eugenes point, as soon as that guy got up there, hes like them. They cannot imagine someone in their social circle, someone in the country club behaving that way. The denial of a white man. Immediately must be, well, it cant be. I dont know what the reason is. It cant be that. Listen to Susan Collins doing that. Shes still trying to insist that this person wont overturn roe. She wants to portray herself as an ally of the roe community. Here she is spilling her feelings. I do not believe that Brett Kavanaugh will overturn. Theyre overturned all the time. They arent over turned. Listen to the standards he put forth in a conversation with me and also in the hearing. I am amazed at the power of Brett Kavanaughs words, that anything he says is believable. Is instantly true to this senator. Whatever he says is magic. Yeah. And talk about white privilege, but also its interesting, thank you once again, Susan Collins, for showing us that white women from the 2016 elections to all the drama over the Supreme Court will consistently choose race over gender. I mean, youve got to give them this. They are tribal just liken never were saying. Lets listen to macy arano. Shout out to Lisa Murkowski. She probably behaved more in the deliberative tradition in the senate not because she came to a conclusion that people wanted but at least she seemed to wrestle with it. Whichever way she voted, you could see she did wrestle with it. Listened to survivors. And her constituents. In alaska Sexual Assault is at high levels especially in the native community and native american activists have come out and said if murkowski whose name i wrote in previously when she ran for election runs again, i cant back a lawmaker who i dont think protects me in this area where i definitely need protects. I think that spoke to her. Do we have to say the same thing about joe manmanchin. He didnt have to vote profile and courage. Heidi heitkamp could take the hit. That was a risk. Because she knew this was not going to be popular back home. She was already behind. He wants no part of it. After he did this donald trump attacked him. He was a coward. He did it at the last moment. Its a good point. The two people who took three are joe donnelly, probably Heidi Heitkamp and also Claire Mccaskill who took a real risk here of voting no. Absolutely. Voting no. Manchin did not. What manchin wants to do is win the reelection. People were coming up to him very friendly saying, hey, we support you, but if you vote no, i will vote no against you. That really spoke to him. He was trying to preserve his seat. Lets play maisey. She said that she thinks that she said that dr. Ford thinks that she was assaulted, which is even more insulting than saying that she gave a credible account. To say that she thinks that dr. Ford thinks she was assaulted, what is that . Is she mistaken . There used to be a thing in american psychology called hysteria. Women were thought to sort of go out of their minds and that they couldnt process information the same way that a man can. I feel like the argument that senator that Susan Collins is making is hysteria. She must believe it. How sexist is that . The person who threw the biggest tantrum is Brett Kavanaugh. Compare his testimony to dr. Fords. Imagine if a woman had behaved like that. If a woman of color had behaved like that. This wasnt a criminal trial. This was a job interview. Imagine. So lets listen to chris coombs. One more time. On the democratic side now the question is whether or not if democrats were to take back the senate they should do anything about this, whether they should take some action. Heres chris coombs on whether or not impeachment should be on the table for Brett Kavanaugh. I think thats premature. Theres only ever been one justice thats been impeached and i think talking about it at this point isnt necessarily healing us, moving us forward. So i know that the one justice has been impeached was impeached for excessive partisanship. Democrats dont play like the republicans do. No, they dont. Were going to investigate all of this. Were going to ask the fbi why they didnt talk to kavanaugh. Were going to look at the testimony and see if he contradicted himself. Yeah. If he was, in fact, committing perjury. So there will be investigation. Yes. Democrats are just too marquise de queens bury. Theer feelings are gentle and nice. Coming up at the top of the hour, president ial historian doris burns, good one, wonderful, weighs in on the kavanaugh investigation. Am joys ten to watch. Room at a lower rate, hilton is like. Were gonna match that rate and give you an extra 25 off. What would travel sites do if you found a better price . Thats not my problem, its your problem. Get outta here. 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Senate race in tennessee where former democratic governor Phil Bredesen is in a nearly dead heat with republican congresswoman blackburn. The difference is smaller than you think considering bredesen says hek would have voted to confirm Brett Kavanaugh. Joining me now is jennifer duffy, Senior Editor of the Cook Political Report. So good to meet you. Thank you,to good morning. Soha happy to be here. Moveon. Org has pulled support over bredesen for his statement that he would have supported kavanaugh. Does that help orwo hurt him . At the end of the day it probably helps him. This whole idea that republicans are selling that right i now bredesen is kind ofth a wolf in sheeps clothing that he tells you that hes a moderate but when he get there is hes not going to be so for move on to say hes not with us and walk out undermines that republican message. Lets listen to an antibredesen ad and bredesens response ad. This is a Koch Brothers pac ad attacking bredesen on a familiar theme. When times are tough, we budget for our families. But when our states budget was in crisis, Phil Bredesen supported higher taxes on us. Higher gas taxes, sales taxes and more andsa while we struggl through a recession, bredesen wasted 9 million upgrading his governors mansion. 4 million on a party cave. Gilded bathrooms and a kitchen worth two tennessee homes. Phil bredesen lived the life. We paid the bill. Americans for prosperity is responsible for the content of this thadvertising. Thatsof from the billionair Koch Brothers saying Phil Bredesen lived too rich and donald trump is president. Lets listen to the bredesen response ad. Im Phil Bredesen and i approved this message. Have you seen this ad . Our states budget was in crisis. Its full of flat out lies. First, andrea and i never even lived in the i governors residence, we stayed in our own home. Second, ir never raise ed they are the gas tax or the sales tax. Congresswoman blackburn, youve been in washington 16 years now and this ad shows it. We need some fresh air up there andre im applying for the job. Myor understanding is bredes was a popular governor so who is getting the better end of that ad on the ground. Well, probably bredesen is, the Koch Brothers ad was factchecked false. Not only did he never live in the governors mansion, that 9 million was all private money. Wawell, there you go. So bredesen, what is his image inat tennessee. His image in tennessee now, remember, before he was governor he was the mayor of nashville so his image is somebody who is fair, who is into managing things well. As a businessman, as a strong manager as a s liberal . No, hes never been known as ane liberal. Southern governor, he is what he is. One of thee ads he did earliern the campaign the that turned heads wasmp an ad on trade wher he came out prettily forcefully against tariffs saying that they hurtsa tennessee auto jobs and they hurt more importantly jack daniels. How is Marsha Blackburn perceived in tennessee . Shes polling pretty close. Shes atg 46. 8 and bredesen i atre 46. 3 . Marsha blackburn is not that well known outside of her congressional district. Its ana base she shares with bredesen, suburban nashville. Shes working on that. I think she is perceived as very, very conservative. Shi has velcroed herself to trump in this race. Does it help her . Sheit thinks it does. I have my doubts in a statewide race that Blind Loyalty to the president is helpful. Jennifer duffy, thank you. This is a fascinating race to watch. Sc wheres the Cook Political Report putting it . We have in the tossup. Tossup. Thats amazing. Jennifer duffy, thank you. Duffe instead . 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