Nbc news wall street journal poll of the 2016 race. Clinton is holding a four point lead over trump with 44 of likely voters. While frutrump gets 40 . Put gary johnson and jill stein, clintons advantage expands. Lets bring in mark murray. All right, mark, explain these poll numbers tous. Its a four point race, but what does that mean really . Like what is going on internally in these polls . Yeah, i think there is like a tale of two things. So on the worone hand, donald tp has been able to cut clintons lead nearly by half in our latest poll. The last poll in mid october of course when the access Hollywood Tapes and video of donald trump surfaced. An back in mid october, Hillary Clinton had an 11 point lead in the four way contest. And a ten point lead in the two way. Well, now it is a four point lead in the four way and five point lead in the two way. So essentially half. However, when you look inside the poll about, the race is so stable. Hillary clinton enjoys a 15 point lead among women. You end up having africanamericans and latinos breaking heavily for her and then maybe to me the entire ball game is that she has a ten point lead mopping College Educated whites. Republicans have always won College Educated whites in the modern era, joy. And as one our pollsters put it, it is very hard for donald trump to have such tough margins with latinos and africanamericans and then still lose College Educated whites. The hamath becomes against you. So on the one hand a tightening race, but on the other hand such a stable contest. And are you seeing evidence in this poll of the surge in latino participation that weve seen around the country . Do we have a big enough sample of latinos to measure it . We have a good sample, but not enough to be able to see what were seeing in nevada and florida for example. Our poll pretty much shows Hillary Clinton having the same margins that barack obama had in 2012 over mitt romney. And of course the one problem when youre looking inside polls with latino electorate is sometimes you have a pretty big margin for error. Im of the assumption that Hillary Clintons margin with latinos will probably end up being bigger than Barack Obamas mar begin against mitt romney and of course those are the indications from the tea leaves were seeing with the early vote in places like nevada and in florida. And its not going to be just the margins, but ill be interested in the vote share. If hispanic voters up their vote share to anything close to their population share, woe is the Republican Party because they were thinking it would happen the next year. So that will be a big story. Mark murray, thank you very much. This new poll comes after another bizarre development in the president ial race. Last night in reno, donald trump was rushed off stage by secret service after an incident in the crowd near the front of the stage. Secret Service Spokesperson says in a statement there was a commotion in the crowd and a, quote, unidentified individual shouted gun. The subject was apbre prbrea pb prebehinded, but no yep was found. Instead what that protester had was a sign. Im a republican and have been supporting republican candidates for quite some time, but i just dont support donald trump. Even though were from the same party, even though a lot of things that he says may resident nature with a lot of people, and a lot of his supporters, i agree with them on many, many different issues. But i just believe hes containingro ro dangerous with the country. So i literally had one sign that said p republicans against tr p trump. Lets bring in our panel, michelle bernard, john than capehart, jamal simmons, april ryan, and Jennifer Rubin. A mega panel as it were. All right, superstars, ill come to you first because you have the cute tshirt on. Youre sending a message. And so lets talk more about this protester. Because there has been a lot of high phyperbole around what happened. Listen to one more sound bite from the protester who is a republican. When i pulled out the sign, people around me but trying to grabbing the sign. The people around me are booing saying get out of here, yelling profanities. And then all of a sudden because they cooperate grab the sign, i get tackled by all these people and somebody yells something about a gun. Cooperate grab the get tackled by all these people and somebody yells something about a gun. So people were kick me, grabbing my arms. The violence at trump rallies has sort of become part of the noise and background of the campaign. But somebody yelling gun, this gentleman could have been really hurt. There were Police Officers there. Someone endangered his life in more ways than one. P. Absolutely. And if i put my lawyer hat on and take a look at him and his composure and the way he spoke, very compelling. Like i dont see anything in the way that he spoke last night to disagree with him. It was a terrible thing do. He could have been really, really more bring harmed. And it sort of tells us that we have some negative things that might happen between now and election day all over the country p particularly the more and more we see republicans against trump or republicans for Hillary Clinton, they are not the only people who might be fearful of going to the polls sf. And jennifer, i want to show you what the Trump Campaign has been characterizing it and trying to make it sound not that this gentleman was endangered, which he was, but it was donald trump endangered. This is Kellyanne Conway on cnn. Keep in mind that the secret service mass made a statement about what happened. They told us what happened. But this is Kellyanne Conway i believe this morning. Were very happy that this was not an assassination attempt, but why is your campaign spreading that it was . First of all, that is really remarkable, i have to say, that thats what the story line is. You guys retract that and ill give you a call about the retweet. I never reported anything along those lips. Ive always been saying that cnn certainly has. On cnn . Weve been saying all along that donald trump was a path to the presidency. And ive never said that the race was over. And so she wants to argue about whether or not the race is over, but what jake tapper was getting at were these things that were tweeted out by Donald Trumps son and by his chief social media guy. Washington post reported donald trump junior and top aide retweet baseless allegation of an assassination attempt. They tweeted out that there was an assassination attempt on donald trump and then lets go to ellen 5 which is the actual tweet. Donald trump retweeted somebody who put breaking secret service rushed trump off stage after somebody pulls a gun. None of that is true. What does it say to you, jennifer, that the cam pin includi pain including his campaign hger are pretending that somebody tried to assassinate him . This is the parallel universe that the entire campaign has operated in. For them the truth is irrelevant. They use whatever they have, whatever suspicion they have, whatever social media they have to stir hatred, to stir up their crowd, to intensify support for this guy. This is the techniques frankly that authoritarians use all over the world endown to the attempted assassination attempt which is used to justify violence. This is really i would say shameful, but i run out of words after a while to describe these people. And april, youve been covering white houses for quite a long time including the Current White House where the current president was the subject to the most threats of actual violence and assassination of any person who has ever occupied the presidency, next in line to that of course was bill clinton who was seen as a bit too company zi with t cozy with the Africanamerican Community. What do you hopefully my producers can at the me who this guy is. This guy tweeted hillary ran away from rain today. She was in Pembroke Pines where it was raining. Trump is back on stage minutes after assassination attempt. Well, bottom line it has to be fkt aactual. Words mean something. And words reverberated through that room last nat and the sigh secret service not the knowing whether it was true or not, they took donald trump off the stage. That was a big deal. We saw donald trump actually stunned because he looked to see and then if you notice, he turned and he just stood there and allowed the secret service to whisk him off. They wanted to make sure the stage was safe. But words mean something. And not only was this president he had the most threats or comments about his life. And even his families than anyone else. There is a concern actually about Hillary Clinton, as well. And ts candidate, donald trump. So words mean something. And this is something we are in a new age, snag weve never seen before. And they are bolstering security at the white house, you know, continually for the next president as well as on the trail because we are in a time where it is so tensions are so high and weve never seen this before. And weve broken the mold. We will never go back to where it used to be and i believe this could be the norm. These kinds of things, these kinds of words could be the norm. And jamal, weve also had the candidate donald trump makes a satisfi assassination joking about Hillary Clinton, richard burr made the skrojoke that there ne to be a bullet hole in Hillary Clinton. The assassination jokes are about Hillary Clinton in this cycle. But it is ironic for now the Trump Campaign to make itself look like a victim. And you think about the people who are associating themselves with donald trump, what we call the altright which is really kind of neonazis and while supremacists. In detroit, we had the michigan militia, p one of the first domestic terrorist attacks. P it was not from a middle eastern group, it was from a group of white degrees from michigan. Shou so there is a lot of concern by the people who are associating themselves with trump and its really rich for him to now say hes the one under attack. And enforced by the news paper of the ku klux klan, and here somebody was exercising his right to protest, was basically curb stomped inside of that rally. And they aare claiming that the violence is directed against them. Donald trump is protected by the secret service and his own private security firm. One, first, the Trump Campaign has been all about grievance. P they are doing this to us, they dont want us to succeed, when he came back on to the stage moments later he said something to the effect that they arent going to get away with this, you know, they want to stop us. Its just shameful what theyre doing. But the other thing is remember the rally i think it was in North Carolina where president oba spoke and the pro trump protesters started yelling during the president s speech . What happened then . The president said no, no, no, let him speak, let him exercise his First Amendment right to protest. Was that person stomped, did someone yell out gun . No. And so what you have there is a contrast, a clear con last between a real president of the United States and someone who pretends that hes going to be president of the United States [ knocking table ] i mean we do have an election to get through. But what you have in terms of temperament, someone who says he has the best temperament shows every day and has since june 16, 2015 that he does not have the temperament to be president. And really quickly if we think about assassinations in our country and assassination attempts, is donald trump telling us that he is somehow being a kakin to marr king, john f. Kennedy, ronald reagan, really . I mean even a lot of republicans would take a look at that list and wince. All my guests will come back later in the show. Up next, people of faith from the state of North Carolina could decide this election. North carolina, North Carolina, North Carolina. Stay with us. sorry kids. Feeling dead on your feet . Ive been on my feet all day. Dr. Scholls massaging gel insoles have a unique gel wave design for outrageous comfort that helps you feel more energized. Dr. Scholls. Feel the energy wopen up a lot of dawn. Tough on grease. Yet gentle. Dawn helps open. Something even bigger. Go to facebook. Com, dawn saves wildlife. Witness the georgia miracle. Im a preacher. Me miracles to happen. Water can be turned into wine. Somebody has to bring the water and these people behind me are bringing the water. Weve been pushing early voting. Most of the congregation had already voted. You think 90 so far . Thats right. And youre kind of shaming the 10 that havent voted . I am shamelessly shaming people into voting. Its that important. I love it. Pastors at preddominantly blac churches across the country have been preaching their congregations into civic action. Voting and voting early. Even though republicans have outpaced democrats in early voting in georgia, churches like ebenezer the Historic Church of reverend dr. Martin luther king jr. Are ultimately hoping that turnout will contribute to a Hillary Clinton victory on tuesday night. For more on the impact of souls to the polls, im joined by Sister Simone campbell, reverend dr. James forbes, reverend william barber, and reverend tracy blackmon. I work on sundays, so i didnt get one pastor, i got four pastors around me this morning and i feel so good. And i have to start with Sister Simone. We were having a conversation in the break. Im such an admirer of you and the wonderful liberal tradition small l of catholicism that you represent and pope francis represents which is good news to the poor is the prime directive of christianity. Talk a little bit about this effort to get souls to the polls. Because you are of the Catholic Church fp. Well, we have a lot of africanamerican catholics. It is true that i am a white woman and i am engaged in getting everyone to turn out to vote because what we know is that our people participate in voting when they have clarity. We were just recently in indianapolis and showed information are to a bunch of low income folks who felt pushed out of the system, but this one woman after she saw it said, oh, im going to vote. I was so afraid that i would hurt my country with my vote. But im going to vote. And thats what were about is getting our people to participate. Stepping into the arena that is quite challenging for you with all the negative ads. But stepping in to the truth telling of your vote counts. And refer ren forbverend fors a long tradition of the movement of peoples right to vote. Talk about where that is now. Because we know Church Attendance is is the church at the center of the movement . I think its the church and also organizations in the streets. Somehow its a combination now. Its not nearly as much a kind of mop on thnopoly of the churc the place you hear it. They have to hear it on the streets, as well. Somehow the churches have gotten a little confused because some of our black churches with evangelical background have taken on several little items and therefore the pastors are not always as free to tell the full truth about what is going to affect those people. And many people even from their churches are led in directions that are against their self interests when it comes to political decisions. But there is always a remnant, a remnant of black churches where they will tell the full truth about what really matters and if you are not helping the poor and if youre not for trying to show civil if i anity and respect, t churches are saying that stpt sound like gee us to me and people are beginning to be a little bit more sophisticated. I wish it were a larger group that way. But i hope that there will be enough to at least steer us away from the totalitarianism, authoritarianism, the mean spiritedness that we find today. I hope that we will remember that in germany, things were pretty much like they were here at least in some ways, and we are very vulnerable right now to decide that democracy was a failure, i need somebody a who is going to be strong for me, my crowd, my race, my party. I am hoping that the churches will speak out and reverend barber in this moral revival that were going to hear from has been speaking all over the states. Pastors dont get up in the pulpit this sunday and just talk about business as usual. Help the people see the truth because its going to be the truth which has largely been sabotaged along the way, its going to be the truth that will set us free. And reverend barber, your name has been called so ill bring you into this conversation. Because it is true, i think when people say evangelical, first of all, they forget that there are nonwhite evangelicals and they position that its all about abortion and its all about opposition to gay marriage. And at least thats what we in the media have locked evangelism into. You talk about that that is not what its about. And talk about that and the update on the resistance ever t of the right to vote in North Carolina. Youre right, im a liberal conservative evangelical. In many ways that term as been so misused its shameful. Let me give you a sermon or scripture. Wo unto those who length late evil and rob the poor of their right. That is in the scripture. The bible, gospel starts with good news to the poor. And when we see persons addressing everything but that, it is a form of theological malpractice that borders on heresy. The fact of the matter what is at stake, we have 14. 7 million poor children that we could address, we have 54 of africanamericans making less than the living wage. We have people talking about repealing health care that will affect 20 Million People and 3 million africanamericans. We have candidates talking about going to war. We have these things hate being pushed and used in the public square. So those are the moral issues we must deal with, we have on deal with. And i like to say that we have 3,000 clergy black, white, christian, muslim and latinos joining this revival. In north care karks kacarolina, fighting hard because we won a case in the courts that said that our state has engaged in surgical racism in terms of suppressing the vote. The ones who have been claiming that the vote is rigged, we have found out they are the riggors through voter sue relation. But in North Carolina, we had 158 less early voting sites, first week of early voting than we had in 2008, 2012. We just finished fighting in court this week to put 5,000 mostly africanamericans back on the books that had been purged illegally and unconstitutionally. So were having to fight in the courts, in the streets at the balance the lot box from the pulpit on our knees and then also having to stand up and take what is in our hand that is a ballot and use it in the most powerful way. And reverend blackmon, on the mechanics, how you get the souls to the polls and are the churches radiating beyond their walls and being able to get out in the community and getting some of those souls to the polls who may not be in church every sunday . Absolutely, joy. For this election, what you find in the st. Louis area, the cleveland area and North Carolina, everywhere, the church and the Community Working together. Because ultimately this election is about what type of of america did you want to live in. This election has clear choices about what type of country you want to reside in. Do you want to reside in a country where people have access to health care, have access to insurance, or do you not . Do you want to reside in a country that is welcoming to the migrant who wants to come here and to make a contribution that makes us even greater . Or do you not . Do you want to reside in a country where mass incarceration is going to be addressed and corrected the ills of the past or do you not . Do you want to reside in a country where Voter Registration will continue to be oppressed even here in missouri were fighting on this election against amendment six which would restrict Voting Rights once again targeting the most vulnerable among us. Do you want that kind or do you not . So because we have this clear choice between a country of democracy and a country of oppressive behavior that will lead us down the wrong road, because we have a clear choice between the language of inclusivity and a language of individualism that will lead the majori leave the majority of americans out no matter what your rarce, then were connecting with those to bring the vote out. Can i not tell you how many people stop me on the street and say i have to dvr a. M. Joy because i cant miss church. So maybe those late trying to get to church, you see how we delivered the sermon for you in four parts. I cannot thank you enough. Sister simone, reverend force, reverend barber and reverend blackmon. Thank you so much for having church with us this morning. And coming up, taking one more look at how the fbi on a completely different note could be trying to influence the 2016 election. vo maybe it was here, when you hit 300,000 miles. Or here, when you walked away without a scratch. 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But i want to play you what one of the people who was apparently a part of this, programs the p conduit for the leak, judy giuliani, had to say on friday. Take a listen. I had nok comey was going to do what he did on the day that he did it. What i did know is that the fbi was very, very upset about the way jim comey had handled the case. But i heard that from former fbi agent, not current. And now lets play what congressman cummings said it me credit because i think like tim kaine he doesnt find that walk back very credible. Take a listen. Basically were trying to figure out who did Rudy Giuliani talk to. He says he got information from former fbi agents, but clearly there is information coming out from current fbi agents. We want to know who those agents were and exactly why they are doing this because its basically undermining the fbi. And when you lose trust in the fbi, clearly you can end up with legitima legitimacy. Why do you think its between whether the agents were former or current . Well, current agents have a much clearer obligation not to talk about investigations that theyre involved in or were involved in before fo. Theyre supposed to uphold the constitution and this yupd mines the fabric of the nation when they do this. But you know, whether you believe Rudy Giuliani or not, and im in the not camp, you have to see this there has been all kinds of leaks about investigations involving Hillary Clinton, the Clinton Foundation, so forth over the past few months. Not just to the usual right wing sources like giuliani, but to the wall street journal quoting people from inside the fbi about supposed investigation of the Clinton Foundation when, you know, if you talk it to the clinton pound dayfoundation, th tell you they never got a subpoena. And then there was the fox news fiasco where like there was an indictment coming and they had to walk that back. So all of this bespeaks an effort to gray propaganda around this campaign g. And its only targeting one side. Clearly most people believe there is a current fbi investigation of the trump connections to russia people on his staff current and former and theyre the not leaking about that. No, there are no leaks about that. And i guess the ren is, it was laid out in tthe daily beast, there are strong partisan connections not just with giuliani, with former fbi, you know, special agent james calstrom and the Trump Foundation which has given money to a charity that calstrom used to head. So there are suspicious connections there take i think i understand why chairman representative cummings wants to explore that. And never asked that the Inspector General look into it. Wayne barrett has a great piece in the daily beast where he reemphasizes the fact that Rudy Giuliani on the radio after jim comeys letter leaked about this finding additional emails that may or may not be related to the investigation on Anthony Weiners laptop, admitted talking to active agents. He said i know that there former acts, i know he even from a few active agents. Why is it relevant if giuliani is talking to active agents . Could that be a crime . Yeah, just to piggyback on what joe said, jim calstrom is the thenexus. I think hes probably the one who is the director of the nyo, jim is also the head of the fbi agent association. So clearly in that position he would probably have access to current fbi agents and that would seem like a likely path to get information to sort of pass on to Rudy Giuliani. So clearly there is a nexus here. But just to close this out, i just want to reassure the American People that i have connections with the fbi, and im sort of shocked to hear that there is a revolution in the fbi. I dont buy that. This is a small minority, unfortunately they have the ear of people like jim calstrom and Rudy Giuliani and they have decided to take a public track. But the rest of the fbi is a professional organization and theyre holding true to their oath. Glink t i think the problem is that the public is losing confidence in the fbi at large because of what ive described as a sell, an anticlinton sell inside the new york fbi. You as somebody who has worked with these people, have you ever heard of members of the fbi colluding to influence a president ial election . Have you ever heard of that happening . Absolutely not. Even to the point of things that are much less i was involved with the fbi, we worked on an operation even in the case like that when the operation was concluded against the russians, the fbi clearly did not leak a thing, did not say a thing about this. They put it in in the vault. So were talking about the elections and such an importance, it is clearly something that none of us have ever seen before. Even things that are a fraction of this level of importance are held closely to the vest. So it is clearly a departure from the norm. Absolutely. Between the attempt to influence the election by the russians and the fbi, this is all unpress tented stuff. Joe, in a veed oig, thank you both. And coming up in our next hour, Michael Moore on his new film on trump land. And our old friend here to tell us how donald trump will do on tuesday. Let me talk to you about retirement. A 401 k is the most sound way to go. Lets talk asset allocation. Sure. You seem knowledgeable, professional. 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Michelle bernard and Jennifer Rubin are back with me and liz also with me. Youve been in North Carolina. I want to talk to but that. But first i want to get to you explain the situation where white women, typically are republicans im the white woman representing. A lot of pressure. Just for the moment. But now you have the split where white women with a College Degree are for the first time in a very, very long time favoring Hillary Clinton while white noncollege women are still with donald trump. What do you make of that . I think what i make of it, the sadness, is that this is how far it takes people to understand the economics of sexism. Thats the part that gets me the most. Me and my sister of white women, its like because for so long, we have heard things like women care about economic issues, they dont care about abortion. As though Family Planning is not an economic issue. As though we have been trying to bat people over the head to understand that sexism is a thing that exists and sexism is a thing that prevents all of us from moving forward and having a seat at the table. And i think finally were seeing that. The sadness is that we had to wait for it to get to this sflp and you still do a substantial share of women who are for trump. It is very racialized. Women of color are democrats and white women mostly republicans. But youve written in your columns which everyone should read because they have been great that you dont see how any woman could possibly after hearing what they have heard be for donald trump. Explain that 38 to me. Your guess is as good as mine. Listen, donald trump has cultivated amongst his followers an almost cultlike belief that everything the Mainstream Media tells them is wrong and everything he tells them is right. And if youre joust going to suspend disbelief, if youre going it say nothing matters but what Donald Trump Tells me, then i suppose you will believe him and think this is all some kind of plot that is being kood up. Other than that, i typed it difficult to believe. And i think it is interesting that the College Educated women, College Educated voters in general are coming out very sfropg l strongly against donald trump because he says such dumb things and these are many people who either have studied in areas or work in professions, they know what hes saying is nonsense. Theyre coming out in droves. So if on election day donald trump goes down, you can thank College Educated women, youre welcome america, africanamericans, hispanics, and may those people will come together to save america. Its an extraordinary situation. But thats because weve never had a candidate like this before. Absolutely. And michelle, in their sort of Closing Argument that the clinton team is making to women, they have two sort of tracks. They have the roar ad which is like the feel good ad that i will say i saw a republican woman rocking out to by accident. And then they have this ad released this week reminding women who donald trump is. Take a look. Id like her right in that fat ugly face of herself. She ate like a pig. Flat chested a hashed rd to be. So you treat women with respect . I cant say that either. All right. Good. That is into theis not a new. And its not an attack ad. Just replaguing what he says. So why isnt that pushing Hillary Clinton because women know that he said these things. Absolutely. But if you look at some of the stat thes on the with women that support donald trump. E. Weve had these people in the United States since day one. Antisuv franlgs, antifem nimss, meaning women should have free reign at home, but outside of the home, there should not be womens rights. And its interesting because a lot of heem women speaking out on behalf of Hillary Clinton harken back to the Old Fashioned day when women would not be allowed to speak in public as they are now, when women would not be allowed to have a voice and to vote. There is a religious aspect to it, there are people who believe women who believe look with their husbands that women should not be in leadership positions, should not lead the United States or any country whatsoever. So it has just been something here always. And what is so crazy, phyllis led that humidity while working outside the home. So shes literally like the matriarch of that movement. And yet the she went against every single part of those i will tell you, completely anecdotal, but i met a woman last week,the she went against every single part of those i will tell you, completely anecdotal, but i met a woman last week,he she went against ey single part of those i will tell you, completely anecdotal, but i met a woman last week,e she went against ev single part of those i will tell you, completely anecdotal, but i met a woman last week, she went against eve single part of those i will tell you, completely anecdotal, but i met a woman last week, a white woman on the fence. I was speaking to her when she got the letter in the mail telling her what her Health Insurance was going up to. And she was furious. And in speaking to her, it was actually a very enlightening conversation because she was not crazy, you know. And she gave a very plausible argument as to why she was on the fence. And she was looking for Hillary Clinton to Say Something about obama care, the impact that it has had on small women opened businesses. This is someone who said to me, look, i might have to close my business or operate out of my home so that i dont have to lay off employees because i cant pay this. And shes looking for Hillary Clinton to say this hurts womens businesses. That is very interesting and a tack Hillary Clinton might take. To that point, there was somebody who had a great tweet, i dont know their first name, but they tweeted that today is the 144th anniversary of the first time susan b. Anthony tried to vote and she got fined 100. So short of an interesting anniversary p b anniversary. But i also want to talk about this. This might be the year of the woman if Hillary Clintons margins are able to carry in some of the Senate Candidates. You have Katherine Cortez masto, the firstis panic latino senator, kamala harris, katie mcginty, debra ross. What are the prospects for increasing the number of women in the senate . I think its probably pretty high. Every one of those races is really very close with the exception of illinois which is not close at all and that will be a pick up for women. I think that the senate seats are really margin of error sort of races. And they depend a lot upon whether the candidate has been a good candidate whar, what issue going on, the republicans i think successfully localized a lot of these elections, talk about what is going on in their state. If there is more of a wave, momentum in hillarys wave, she will sweep in a lot of these women. And what is going on in North Carolina . Yeah, and just to take up on jennifers point, North Carolina is one of those states where they have just their state ledgess have been so massively conservative that i think having a woman in that senate race and also their governor who has been just horrible for women will bring people out. And on health care. So jennifer, michelle, well be back in our next hour. Liz, thank you for coming by. Up next, donald trump has his sights set on michigan. Michael moore is here to talk trump next. Were all americans, right . Lets just start there. Regardless who were voting for. Right . Were all in the same boat. And well sink or swim together. And id rather we swim. Because i believe we have more things in common than not. We believe in the same things. First of all, we want the best schools for our kids, right . Trump voters . Right . Right . You want the best schools for your kids. It thats not i know there is a rule dont agree with Michael Moore on anything. But im trying to come out and meet you halfway. Did you catch the 49ers cap he had on . That is a clip from the terrific new film Michael Moore in trump land. And i got to speak to the man himself earlier this week. Take a look. The director of trump land joins me. Thank you so much for being here. So im a big fan of your work. So watching each of your films is an adventure. And i feel what ties them all together, i wrote down in my notes as i was watching trump land empathy, you have this incredible empathy for your subjects really no bhamatter wh the subject is. And in this case youre in wilmington, ohio in the heart of trump country. But the way that yoursvoters, w position of empathy. How sg one in in noxious toxic environment deal with trump voters from a position of empathy . Well, ive never been asked that question. Thats a great question. I think its because i believe my basic philosophical belief is that were all americans and that were all in the same boat and well sink or swim together. And id rather we not sink. And i think that we can have our differences and still realize that we share we probably have more in common than not. I know we do. All of us want good schools, we want to breathe clean air, no guns in schools. And the things we dont agree on, like i said in the film, if you dont believe in gay marriage, you know, dont get gay married, you know. If you are against abortion, dont have one. If i dont like guns, im not going to own one. You want to own one, you can own one just be safe with it, lock it up so the kids dont get it. You did some fun things with like some of the fears that people particularly trump voters have about our culture. You had some conceit where you had the mexican voters up in the balcony behind the wall, muslim voters in the top where a drone was going to fly over. And you even talked about guns, the idea that only women if only women owned guns, wed have less violence. And what i found remarkable, nobody walked out. Nobody booed. And you actually got the people to laugh at that. How . How . I dont know. I read the new yorker review and i was learning about i was learning things about my own movie i didnt realize. Buts he w he was saying the sam thing. There were four different constituencies in the audience. And the whole show is trying to reach all four groups at the same time and have none of them leave. I have to watch it a few more times to figure out what i did, but its true, they didnt walk out. Especially the trump guys. You see them at the beginning of the film. Theyre all like this. But they start to warm up and i think hugh more is a great vehicle by which to try to reach people. And so and i didnt make fun of them as trump voters. I went after trump, but not them. Its kind of like when hillary said that about the basket of deplorables, i agreed with her. If you are racist, if you are sexist, made satisfimisogynist, deplorable. The thing i didnt agree on is that she said they were irredeemable, that i really want to believe that no one is without redemption, that its possible to reach just about anybody. And so i wanted to reach out to them. And by the end of the show, they were kin of ind of into it. Granted a lot of the men were with their wives and girlfriends who are for hillary and they couldnt believe. So it was a bit of a captive audience for the trump guys about sflp and you used comedy. Which your movies have a comedy to them. This was you standing up there and taking the audience where r point a where you say you didnt vote for hillary or her husband. And so you took the position as somebody who is skeptical about hillary, but you walk this audience in front of you through this kind of sympathy and empathy for her which i found really fascinating. How did you go about constructinging the comedy and moving to the argument . Because ive always been able with hillary to separate the fact that i have disagreements with her politically and thats why i was for bernie, thats why i was for obama in 08. But i have never lacked respect or admiration for her and for her belief in helping people. That is really all shes been about. You look at her history, you know, yes, is she a wo informnka inform e rch nerd yes, she does not like running for office which should be a thing. So i tell a story about how back in the 90s, young people especially dont know this, she put her neck on the chopping block so that all of us would have universal health care. And oh, my god, she was vilified, attacked, defeated in congress. So we didnt get universal health care. She was told to get back to being first lady, hold tea, do the easter egg roll thing. And that was it. And i just thought at the time, wow, but shes a woman that grew up in the fifn in the 50s and first wave of the modern feminist era and ive always felt she hasnt forgotten what it was like back then. She has that memory of it. Its still not where it needs to be. But, boy, if you think the trump tape on the billy bush bus was something, i guess all you have to do is watch mad men to know that was just almost accepted practice. The harassment if you had a job as a woman, if you got to have a job be, what you had to go through in the office, oh, my god. And so our mothers and our grandmothers went through that. And hillary as a young woman went through it. And i think that she remembers all of that. And i think that she will take all of that into the oval office and do good with it. I really firmly believe that. So there are a couple of points in the film that i want to highlight and one is to the point that youre just making. There is a point in which you get this audience which is full of people who are skeptical about Hillary Clinton to Say Something nice. I make them. How long did it take before somebody raised their hand . It took a while. Even the hillary supporters were and this is what gets me about people voting for hillary. Come on, get more excited. This is a historic moment. Youre doing something youre doing the lords work. Youre doing something good. And people are like, well, ive got something to say and then come on, people. Shes smart. Okay, thats good. And then its like trump people kept shouting out benghazi. There is one guy who said she stood by her man. I said to the trump guy, please come, on, i say three nice things about george w. Bush. S, please come, on, i say three nice things about george w. Bush. Not something that you would expect to hear out of me nor will i shock people this early in the morning and say them. So you have to watch to hear me Say Something nice about bush. But i did it on the stage. I said now trump people, Say Something nice about hillary. This guy goes she stood by her man. Okay. I didnt want to like discourage him. But that worked for him. There is another part that the film takes you through youre laughing at points, but there are points that are really poignant when you see emotion, people sort of dabbing their eyes. And wouone is about health care. However people feel about the Affordable Care act, there is a deep pain throughout the country about the lack of access to care. Lack of access that i mean people instinctively foe whknow you look at the he polls a small but majority do believe in single payor, they believe that we need universal health care program. And obamacare has done some great things. They cant kick you off because of a preexisting condition, your 26yearold can be all that is great. And another 20 Million People now have Health Insurance that didnt have it before. But to think that we are all the way home there . We are not. And the people in that audience knew it. And when i said that about the obamacare bronze plan, seriously if anybody in the Obama Administration is watching, change the name. They have gold, silver and bronze. Nobody wants the at least platinum, gold and silver. And of course its not really a great plan. Its something, better than what we had, but hillary has to take us all the way down the field here. And we have to have what the canadians and every other i was going to say civilized, but even uncivilized countries have somewhere the government says if youre sick, its a human right, its a human right that you should be able to see a doctor and not have to worry about losing your home or your savings or anything else. But i think this is where people get really confounded by really Republican Voters in a lot of way and trump voter specifically. Like michigan, pennsylvania, ohio where people are hurting, at the feel like the economy is not working for them. But theyre choosing a guy who bought chinese steel, not american steel, whose Health Care Plan is essentially to go back to the old system where you can be discriminated against and Health Savings accounts. Who has the money for that . So how do you explain the irony of those american brexiteers choosing somebody who as never chod choo chosen the little guy in his life . And the working class in england was so rightfully so of their condition, losing their job, no longer part of the middle crass and they wanted to toss a bomb into the system legally by going to vote and sending a message that we will leave europe. And then a few days after when the economy practically crashed, they were like maybe that was too strong of a message. And thats what will happen here. Im telling you, i live in michigan. I am trumps demographic. I am an angry white guy over the age of 35. So and i have a high school education. So i am as perfect demographic. And so all these guys that i grew up with, and they are mostly guys, not all, but i say to them, dudes, you have every right to be upset, but this is not the way the ballot is not an anger management tool. You dont go in there next tuesday this, there are other ways to send a message. We need to organize politically, the fight of income inequality will still be with us after clinton is president. And i will work with you. I will be there. I have your back on this. And bernie sg adoes and other pe do, too. Were not going away. But dont do this on tuesday. Because this man is a fraud. Hes given you complete snow job. You havent read his proposals. You just heard what he says and it sounds good because he has such a brazen i dont give a damn what anybody thinks. And youre better than that. Thats what i tell them, youre better than that. And we can fight this in a different way. Are we that inept that we need do donald j. Trump to fight the system . Sort of ironic given all of his russia infinity that you call the human molotov cocktail. The movie is really smart in which you are walk people gingerly toward Hillary Clinton at least an openness to hg. But it seems like its difficult to get people to go there. When walked out, did people come up and say you changed my mind . Yes, quite a few. And we have a little after party at the bar across the street and we had so have security there for obvious reasons. I mean im in a town that there is 26,000 registered voters. 1900 are registered democrats of the 26,000. But i wanted do it there. I didnt want to do it in ann arbor or madison or berkeley. I wanted to go where they were. And rarely does someone from the left, you know, venture and for obvious reasons, safety being one of them, but afterwards, after it the show, i would say, wow, we have a number of people who on the way in said they werent going to vote this year tell us they were going to vote. We had quite a few people who said that they would Vote Third Party that decided not to. And id say out of the 100 to 150 trump people that we had there, at least a dozen, maybe two dozen said that they would go home and position abothink at it. And thats all i asked them do. Just bnk it. Tion think about it. And thats all i asked them do. Just bnk it. About it. I didnt want the crazies there, the david duke admirers in the audience because wed never get to the show down. But we went to the union halls looking for democrats now thinking of voting for trump. And one guy said to me, he said i said what made you when you said you would think about it, what did i say or do. He said its not what you said. You showed a picture on the screen of hillary when she went to the small country to study their health care back in the thin min 90s and she was holding a baby and he said ive never seen her in that light. Her campaign or herself hasnt been able to show you who she is. And i know that as a person who is on tv that i mean, i dressed up a little bit here today. Im not wearing high ball cap. Why am i doing that . Well, im trying to convince people. Im not just slouching in here on a weekend morning to talk to you. I put some thought into this because i care. And so the hillary campaign, you know, i dont i dont know. Have you ever met her . I have. I mean, i met her, got invited to a white house dinner then bill was president , so i met her there. I met her two other times in various rooms or whatever. Politica things. And i got to tell you, she is friendly, she is personable, she is funny. She has a great sense of humor. And im like how come we dont see that a. I wish we saw more of that. I met al gore a couple years after he won and lost. And i spent a couple hours with him. And he was funny and likeable and personable. Not a stiff at all. And i said how come we didnt get to see will guy when you were running . And he goes, i know, i know. And there you have it. There you have it. It if you want to take my word for it, having been around her a little bit, and even though i havent voted for her, and even though i have disagreements, her vote on the war, wall street stuff, all that, i got to tell you, her sitting in the oval office, i feel very good about that. I cant see her signing a bill at that desk that hurts children. I cant see her letting anything pass by her that will hurt people. She wont appoint justices to the Supreme Court that says i have a right to control your reproductive organs. She will appoint people who say you have a right to live and let live and be free as an american. And thats a good thing, folks. Thats a really good thing. Michael moore, your new movie is also a good thing. Thank you so much. We appreciate a time. Weve been on bill maher together. Absolutely. And this was a great film. Its a different perspective, its seeing Hillary Clinton through the ieyes of a demographic that is hard to be reached. And youre funny. See the film. 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In florida, at least 200,000 more latinos had voted early as of friday than it during the entire early Voting Period four years ago. And they have tracked blagojevi plaque early voting and found out turnout was record numbers. Michelle is back with us and also maria is joining us. Great to see all of you. Mar maria, none of the polls have captured the magnitude of a latino vote that were seeing in places like nevada, colorado, even texas and in florida. So its really much bigger than what people thought. What do you make of that . So i have been trying no the to the make a lot of predictions, right . But on our political podcastthe to the make a lot of predictions, right . But on our political podcasthe o the make a lot of predictions, right . But on our political podcaste t the make a lot of predictions, right . But on our political podcast to the make a lot of predictions, right . But on our political podcast but ive been saying that i think latinos and all of the numbers coming in now are affirming what ive been saying, that this could be the story of the election. What do i mean . Im obsessed with latino voters in florida, about in central florida, puerto rican voters of central florida. And im obsessed with latino voters who i think amexican voters mostly in North Carolina. So i also love the fact that these two sector, Puerto Ricans in florida, Mexican American voters in North Carolina could end up swinging those states which is amazing. Other big news of course, latino decisions saying that right now it looks like Hillary Clinton could get 80 , 79 , 80 of latino support. If that is the case, then the story of this election becomes latinos and latino voters which would be amazing because what it means is we have to actually start taking this Demographic Group incredibly seriously. But it also complicates things like we were talking about in terms of relations between africanamericans and latinos. If latino voters are the backfill for africanamerican voters in a place like North Carolina, what does that look like. Were seeing in california in a senate race its because they have nonpartisan voting. I want to make the point that in our nbc wall street journal poll, Hillary Clinton is getting 65 to Donald Trumps 0 . For trump that is 7 under what romney did. And to your point, we dont have huge samples of la ttino voters. Romney got beat 7227. Who knows what it could be because of this campaign. And i want to give amarosa the case trump should have been make which go is on economics, small businesses, thing like jobs. I think thats what youve tried to do. Assess for me how you think the candidate has done this keeping on that message when it comes to trying to sway africanamerican voters. First of all, joy, thanks for having me on. And i want to agree that there will be will history made with latino voters, but people are assuming that because latinos are voting that theyre only voting for Hillary Clinton. But thats not the case. We see significant support among latinos for donald trump. But back to trafricanamericans senl the democrat being party has taken the africanamerican vote for granted. And you see the low turnout and lack of enthusiasm for her because theyre not buying what shes selling. They dont trust that she will bring the change that we need in this community. Our Community Needs economic change and mr. Trump has invested time and effort in engaging the community and not trying to say that the democrats have seen loyalty from the Africanamerican Community, unfortunately, the Africanamerican Community has not seen loyalty from them. And so you will see under a Trump Presidency improved economic conditions, improved job conditions. Lack of unemployment among africanamerican youth has been just for this particular administration and for someone like Hillary Clinton to say this she will continue with policies like these i think is shameful. So maria has something to say, but i want to get stats on the table. Because what weve actually seen was that early last week, there was some anecdotal stories of africanamerican turnout being down, but now i saw it on your network. Absolutely early in the week. But as of the end of the week, florida had seen record turnout among africanamericans for early voting. The souls to the polls sunday alone and the monday that followed enabled africanamericans to catch up with their 2012 numbers in the state of florida. But they literally had to go into the community and use transportation and get pull africanamericans and beg them to come to the polls for her. So youre right, after souls to the polls, they provided transportation and support, then to you see a surge. Thats how it works every time. And now but they had to do that. Thats what they did with obama. Thats what to you with every election. Souls to the polls is not something that you drive people to the polls and thats the only way you see a surge. No thats not the way it works. You know he that every campaign soles to the polls last week its how its worked for every campaign. It is. It is it just is. So in our nbc wall street journal poll, Hillary Clinton is at 86 with trips. Du africanamericans. 7 is trump. And the 86 is down. Lets look in pennsylvania which is that doesnt change the numbers or the facts. Right, that donald trump is losing catastrophically with africanamericans. Thats just a fact. In pennsylvania, you have Hillary Clinton at 90 with africanamericans, and donald trump at 1 . And there was a little poll from philadelphia magazine on that poll about his 1 in in the poll. In the context of the poll, 1 is derived from literally one africanamerican respondent. So what a flawed first of all its not a focus group. Its a poll. Michelle. I dont even know where to begin. Im going to start off by saying im glad that the three of us are here. We were at an event this washington so i know we are both dedicated to seeing more people of color and particularly women elected. And i dont want to us get into this sort of what i feel is a divide and conquer scheme between latinos and the Africanamerican Community. And also within the Africanamerican Community. The bottom line is one of the things that i heard amarosa said to me several months ago was that as a community, she really believed that we have to at least listen to donald trump. And so i think people are doing that. And, yes, there are people there are africanamericans who are voting for donald trump, but i think that there is no way to compare Donald Trumps outreach to the Africanamerican Community to for example george bush who i will say i sat down personally about in the white house, saw george bush sit down with a group of africanamericans mostly ministers with very large demographic con statistic espn sis and said what can i do for your community. What are your concerns. And we stau translate into policy. He did more for hiv and aids in africa than any other president in u. S. History. I never saw a george bush or any he other president for that matter sit down and say your lives are terrible, you live in squaller, your education is horrible. Everything about your life is just deplorable. Thats what weve seen from donald trump and i think it makes it very difficult i think it has made deplorable. I wasnt quoting him verba m verbatim. Donald trump has portrayed a vision of africanamerican life that is just not true. If we want to talk about people whose lives are a mess, its not just africanamericans who liver in low income neighborhoods. It is people, white people, who live in rural neighborhoods. It is americans who have not been prepared for a 21st century workforce who have lost jobs, to in the see the American Dream as being plausible for them. And donald trump forgets that all of us as a nation. Ill let amarosa to respond. Donald trump is the only one who will help turn around innerities with africanamericans because when she says she will continue policies that purchase of the same of obama and we see what is happening on the south side of chicago, in my own hometown of youngstown, in South Central los angeles, you cant say that that is okay. Its they ever okay to see 3,000 people shot in chicago or 500 murder this is chicago and that is acceptable. That is completely unfair. These not the best candidate and you cant trust her. I have a question for you, joy, before we go. How many times have you had Hillary Clintons africanamerican director of outreach on your show . I dont thank that is relevant. Zero. So the point is that you assume that africanamericans are automatically going to vote for Hillary Clinton and im telling you, that that is not the case. Iassuming that i can read th polls. One of the things that has happened as certainly with latino and latino voters and michelle, thank you, amaro stchlt a, i agree we do need to listen to donald trump and to his supporters pa s and guess w . Latino voters a obviously listening. And when you disrespect a demographic so cleary and you try to walk it back and then come back Even Stronger like donald trump did in his phoenix speech, then clearly the message is, and we know that in your headquarters of the donald Trump Campaigns right now, there is fear in your campaigns because of what are a tee know how do you know that . Youve never been into our towers. Only 25 of latinos are voting for donald trump in your own numbers which shows that latinos are not 100 behind her because they are not trusting her. Let me speak because the truth is that go ahead, but dont talk about what is happening in trump tower when youve never been there. Youre right, ive never been there. But the truth is that let me speak. That the big story will be the latino voters listened. They heard and they said we dont like what were hearing. And it that is a message not only for you and donald trump, but for the entire Republican Party who is going to have a lot of reckoning the day after the election. Unfortunately, were out of time. Thank you very much. Coming up, our Panel Discusses the obama factor in tuesdays election. More a. M. Joy to come. For lower back pain sufferers, the search for relief often leads here. Introducing drugfree aleve direct therapy. A high intensity tens device that uses technology once only in doctors offices. For deep penetrating relief at the source. New aleve direct therapy. The world is imperfect. Politics is imperfect. Candidates are imperfect. Im imperfect. You make choices. Hillary clinton is qualified to be president and cares about the issues that millennials care about. Will she get 100 of what any young person or any activist wants during the course of her presidency . No. Will she compromise sometimes . Yes. By the way, so did i. Because thats how the process works. President obama reached out to millennials this week in his interview with now this news. The president has been hitting the campaign trail hard as surrogate in chief urging voters to tip his regular glegacy with for hg. Here Hillary Clinton. Here is the president obama with al sharpton. If you supported me in 08, in 12, if you think ive done a good job, if you believe michelle has done a good job, everything that weve done over the last eight years will be reversed with a Trump Presidency. And joining me now is jamal smith and versa sharva who interviewed president obama. Congratulations on that. Thank you both for being here. So i want go to you first. Ill play a clip thefrom your interview. One topic has been donald trump and the way he talks about women. You asked about how president obama talks to his daughters about trumps sexism. Lets take a look. I think that they are surprised that people would be willing to overlook such blatant disrespect of women, that they would overlook somebody bragging on tape of actions that pretty much describe smauexual assault. You cant overlook something as fundamental as that because part of being president is youre representing all people and you said want to make sure that theyre looking out foefr everybody. What do you make of the way young Millennial Women are reacting to what theyre hearing from donald trump . I think it was an important question to ask. As we know, president obama comes from a family of very strong women. His oldest taugdaughter voted f the first time this year, so we went with that angle in mind. We have an overwhelmingly young audience and a lot of women in our audience and its something that weve been talking about all campaign long. But its not something that you always get the opportunity to hear firsthand from the president , how are you talking to your own daughters about the things that were hearing in the media every day. And i think that he made an important point, that when you hear these sort of vulgar things coming out of fof donald trump mouth, as you hear him basically describe Sexual Assault and continue to see people supporting him, women and especially young women are taking a step back and saying okay, what does this mean about us. What does it mean about the way were treated and valued. And youre working with mtv newses which plays to a younger demographic of people. How do you think that conversation is taking place and in terms of media, how are you guys handling it that issue . Were tuned in to the concepts of rape culture, toxic masculinity, things that may be common vocabulary but not so much nationwide sense. So we see these voters responding very quickly not just to what donald trump is saying, but the policies hes putting forward. When he said that women who have abortions and their doctors should be punished, i mean, that resonated with young people in a way that i think inthat maybe didnt on larger skal. So the president has put let people no that in a very raw way what were voting for, or against on tutesday. And this clip being shown for the first time here on a. M. Joy, this is president obama answering what surprises him. With a t what continues to surprise me is the degree to which people would even consider this person as commander in chief. The good news is that i dont believe that represents the majority of people. I certainly dont believe it represents the majority of republicans. My concern is when republicans say, yeah, we dont like that but, as long as mr. Trump supports our views on tax cuts for the wealthy or as long as mr. Trump supports our views on it is mantling environmental regulation that well overlook that. What surprised you the most about president obama . What surprised me was his answer there to that question. It was interesting to see him say he doesnt think the majority of republicans think that way. I think that is a question that well see answered on tuesday. Obviously this weekend we saw is he Speaker Paul Ryan now tweeting photos with mike pence saying lets go all in. And what surprises me is that through eight years of a presidency in which hes been targeted sometimes strictly for his race that he continues to have faith in the system. Its a difficult balance trying to communicate faith in politics and recognizing reality. Absolutely. Congratulations and thank you very much. Coming up at noon, Andrea Mitchell continues our special election coverage live from New Hampshire where shell be joined by senator jeanne shaheen. But first more a. M. I didnt a the where he. Keep away illness. 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I asked our guests to give us their best Electoral College predictions. Lets go to the maps. Crystal ball. Your name is crystal ball. You have to be right. I will say in 2012, i got every single state right. The pressure is on. The one i went out on a limb here with is ohio where i have lived. I think trump could have won. But my theory is that Hillary Clintons ground game is superior enough that even though they are basically at parody in the polls, she will get a couple point edge, enough to pull off ohio. You are giving her big ones. You are giving her florida, nevada, which has a huge hispanic turnout, pa and ohio but shaky. You are giving her virginia. She will get virginia. You are giving North Carolina. My personal pledge. Lets go to this map. He cheated on krystal balls paper. Looking over my shoulder. Jamil smith with the same map. Most importantly, ohio for you. You are from cleveland. Why are you giving ohio to hillary . I think not just what krystal mentioned, but the push shes making in that state i think is being made for a reason. T the Clinton Campaign has the data, they are paying for it. They have the numbers that the donald Trump Campaign probably doesnt. Theres something telling them that ohio is within reach. You wouldnt be campaigning with lebron james on sunday, you wouldnt have jay z or beyonce have a concert for you. Whats interesting is i did speak with a state rep about the souls to the polls, theyre trying to drag out as many voters you can go out and you pull people doing a statewide souls he polls. You are seeing more african vote. Lets go to the guy who has a standout. Just because jamil and jamal sound the same here is jamals map. Its different. Your map is a little different. Explain. I gave ohio to trump. Mostly because i think its close. I think also stickland governor is running for the senate is not running on a particularly strong, competitive campaign. Very diplomatic. I think theres a little drag on the ticket. Im going to say i think ohio goes to trump. Clinton sweeps the rest of the battleground. Nobody thinks arizona is happening for hillary. I dont think so. Its tough. A little too far of a reach. It will scare republicans how close arizona will be. I think arizona will be closer than normal. I think in the end, its too big of a lift. Like georgia you have a huge registration for africanamericans. Interestingly enough, nobody gave Hillary Clinton iowa. Iowa is done . I think so. Iowa is baked . She hasnt been up in polls there in a long time. Let me show you guys let me show you Donald Trumps map. Lets look at that. We will have fun. Donald trump has a completely different map. Dont put my map up. We will show you mine. Its so red. Donald trumps map is weird. His map is showing the black is showing Hillary Clinton 182, trump 269. He shows himself one point away from 270. Minnesota . Its the only state that voted for Walter Mondale and he thinks he is going to get it. Wisconsin. He thinks he is getting michigan, pennsylvania, virginia, colorado, new mexico. Are any of those in play . Not really. Here is whats funny. Trump being a little bit of a jerk. What he should be doing is trying to save Senate Candidates if he knows he is going down. He should be in nevada, North Carolina. All the time. He should not be in minnesota. For the right answer, lets put up my map. The right answer is, whatever krystal ball says. I am not going to refute her. Im not in the business of being wrong. You are a smart lady. I am very dubious about my ohio prediction. I dont have any level of confidence. Im going out on a limb. Thank you. That does it for me. Thanks for watching. I will be a part of the election coverage tonight and all week and year and 311 days long. Up next, Andrea Mitchell is live in New Hampshire where her guests include senator gene shaheen. 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Humira. Whats your body of proof . Right now on a special sunday edition of Andrea Mitchell reports, live from manchester, New Hampshire, where it all started. Final countdown Hillary Clinton fighting to the finish with a marathon run around battleground states today and tomorrow. Pennsylvania, North Carolina and back to the states that dont vote early but wait until election day. Now were going to michigan to New Hampshire to pennsylvania where they do it the oldfashion way. Rough and tumble. After being rushed off the stage in