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Night at 9 00 p. M. Eastern to see Hillary Clinton and donald trump go head to head as they answer questions from nbc news own lester holt. If you had any doubt that this debate will be like no other, consider who is on the guest list. After the Clinton Campaign invited billionaire and outspoken critic mark cuban trump retaliated by inviting Gennifer Flowers, the woman who had an affair with clinton 26 years ago and flowers accepted. Mike Pence Insists flowers will not attend the debate. For the candidates, the stakes could not be higher heading into this debate. In a New Washington post abc poll out just this morning, clinton and trump are in a virtual dead heat among likely voters as determined by the pollsters. Im joined now by congressman Elijah Cummings, a supporter of Hillary Clinton. Congressman cummings, youve seen these polls. You see that they are tightening. However you want to sort of read the likely voter models, et cetera, this is going to be a close race. What does Hillary Clinton need to do in this debate to sort of pull away from donald trump . I think Hillary Clinton has to not so much concentrate on who she is against but concentrate on what shes fighting for. I think the American People are now getting settled in knowing that their vote is going to make a difference and it does matter who leads the country so they want to know how will the children do better than they have done. They want to know about health care. They want to know who will be better leader with regard with dealing with International Crises so theres a lot of issues here, and i think she has to not be afraid of donald trump. Donald trump has basically been acting like a bully through just about every debate ive seen him in, and i think she does have to come back at him and make her points clear, but shes got to tell the American People why she is going to be better for them and that she is she will take us forward instead of backwards, and i think thats what she has to do. And when you heard about this donald trump threat to invite Gennifer Flowers and then Gennifer Flowers writing on her facebook page, sure, i would love to be there, what did you make that . I just said its so sad that so many people are suffering, so many people cannot they are living from paycheck to paycheck and we have to go through this these kinds of things, these side shows, and ive said that a lot of this election has been about destruction and distraction. Destroying your opponent, but at the same time distracting from the issues that affect people on a daytoday basis. Were watching right now, as we see relationships between police and Africanamerican Community having all kinds of difficulties, but when youre talking about Gennifer Flowers and others, i mean, that doesnt help those situations and so just kind of upset me in a way, but at the same time i i know that Hillary Clinton will come forward and do what show has to do to make it clear that she is she has a plan to solve the problems and then to show people that, first of all, she gets it. Alot of times i wonder whether donald trump even knows how most americans live and how they struggle from day to day, and i know Hillary Clinton is very familiar with that, and i think that she will show people that she gets it, that she understands what she goes through and that she has Reasonable Solutions to their problems and that shes willing to do it based on her history. And, you know, as a Ranking Member on the House Oversight committee, we have watched you go headtohead with republicans. Youve seen their relentlessness and obsessiveness on certain issues regarding Hillary Clinton. Do you expect that shes going to wind up spending a good part of this debate redefending herself on things like emails . And if so, what should she say . I think that donald trump will probably raise the email issue just like the republicans have. They have done on my committee, they have done five, quote, emergency hearings over the last five or six days but i think she has said in the past. She made had a mistake. She will not do that again and now she is wants to move on and address the issues that have to be addressed, and i can tell you that just watching what the republicans have done in my committee, i think that what they have done has been very unfair. They have basically taken this issue using that is the the emails and benghazi, using and made it into something that they just cannot get enough of and over and over again they got the opinion of mr. Comey, fbi director. He said that there was no reason to bring charges, and i believe him. Ive read all the files. Ive seen everything, but yet they still keep banging and banging and banging, and what their aim, is joy, is to always have this cloud hanging over her saying that shes under investigation when they well know that mr. Comey who they admire, who they is a former republican has cleared her, so we need to move on. Again, we cannot be constantly about this business of destruction and disruption. Another issue i want to hear about is why does donald trump want to appoint a Supreme Court justice who is extremely conservative . You know, whats that about . Where are we going there, and by the way, the number one issue for me is the Supreme Court because he may get whoever wins will get a chance to appoint maybe two, possibly even three Supreme Court justices, and they can literally take us back 50 to 60 years in the wrong direction. Weve been having a little fun on my twitter feed asking people if you could Ask Donald Trump one question, if you could throw a debate question in, what would it be, would yours be on the Supreme Court . No doubt about it because i know what the Supreme Court has done for my rights, taken me from the son of two former sharecroppers to the congress of the United States of america through Supreme Court decisions, but i also know that this is the same court that if we had nine justices would have okayed the North Carolina voting laws which were precisely done to stop people like my mother and father and me from voting, and i would also like to know from donald trump what is his philosophy on Voting Rights . Voting rights are very important to me. My mother and father fought for them. My grandmother and grandfather. Dont take me back. I dont got to go time to go back. I got to go forward. Indeed. Congressman Elijah Cummings, always a pleasure to talk to you, sir. Thank you very much. Joined now by a senior strategist for the Hillary Clinton campaign. All right, joel, you heard congressman Elijah Cummings say if he could Ask Donald Trump one question it would be on the Supreme Court or Voting Rights, if you can Ask Donald Trump one question, ill throw that question to you. What would you ask him in a debate . I can think of so many. Id probably start with you have been the most factchecked person in history by independent fact checkers. The all time record for lying and making false statements and you have refused to apologize for everything youve said, your gross exaggerations and distortions. 70 of the time youve been fact checked and falsified by fact check and never apologized for it. Lets go to hill hi. Are you a part of the team working on trying to prep Hillary Clinton for the debate. What do you think her strategy will be if donald trump decides to go for the jugular, to try a low blow . Weve seen Gennifer Flowers invited to the debate. We dont know if she will actually be there, but given the fact that donald trump has to go there, if he tries to throw bill clintons former infidelities at her, what will she do . I think Hillary Clinton is a seasoned hand at debates. She knows how to handle herself well, and i think what she believes, i think what the American People believe is they want to hear from these two people talk about how they are going to change peoples lives for the better Going Forward, how they are going to help their kids get a better education and how incomes will rise and create good supporting jobs in the future, one you can raise a family on and the one with the steadiness in the world to keep america safe in very challenging times, and i think she will focused on that because this election and these debates are ultimately about the lives of millions of American People and their families who are still striving and struggling to get ahead and stay ahead. And, joel, it should be about that. We know it winds up being a tv show, sometimes style more than about substance, unfortunately, and weve already begun to see the lowered expectations for donald trump. Its built in that people expect if he just speaks slowly, doesnt yell, doesnt scream, that hell get points for that from from, unfortunately, most of us in the media and youre looking at the Washington Post abc took a poll in which 44 of people say they expect Hillary Clinton to win and 34 expect trump to win. Are the expectations for Hillary Clinton so high, that if shes anything less than a master debater she will be declared the loser of that debate . No. I dont think the expectations are so high. Donald trump has trumpeted his success in debates. He has obviously went up against many people, or as he would say many, many people in the republican debates, and he touts his his experience. We expect it to be a substantive debate. We expect it to be focused on facts, not fiction. The real details of what youre going to tell the American People, how youre going to make their lives better. You know, Hillary Clinton always has this thing she said. I heard her say it one day, and shes repeat it had a lot. You know, she has an oldfashioned idea when youre running for the president of the United States you ought to tell the American People what youre going to do for them, how youre going to get it done and how youre going to pay for it, so were expecting it to be very substantive. Well let donald trump, you know, expose himself in who he is in the way he has throughout this campaign. We will prepare for anything and weve seen him. As i say, hes the the New York Times today or yesterday i think posted 31 whoppers, flat out lies and gross distortions that donald trump uttered just in a sevenday period between september 15th and 21st so we think during this debate we hope and expect moderators will hold him accountable for those things. We certainly will be presumed for it. I dont think hell be able to do that through a 90minute debate but were ready for anything. And lastly is she going to try to rattle him, putting mark cuban in the front row is certainly first class trolling of donald trump. Is she going to try to rattle him during the debate . I think she debates extremely well. She feels very confident in these settings f. Donald trump is so thinskinned that mark cuban sitting there would rattle him because hes a really successful businessman or billionaire who believes in things like profit sharing, that come have to rise in america as opposed to donald trump who think wages are too high, he said it himself, that wages are too high in america and we should get rid of the federal minimum wage, i think that those are the things that should rattle donald trump. He is so wrong on the substance of where american working people are and what it takes to get them raising more money for their families, having more money to raise their families on. Getting their kids in education they deserve to give them a Better Future and a chance to get ahead. Thats what the American People want to hear in this debate and thats what Hillary Clinton is going to be prepared to make the case for very strongly going toe to toe with donald trump. All right. We will definitely all be tuned in. Joel bennenson thanks you very much. Great to be here. I want to bring in my panel, are all right, lady and gentleman, you heard what joel had to say. Heard what congressman Elijah Cummings had to say. Perry, lets start with the expectations game. I think its fair to say that the sort of the world of punditry is going to assume that donald trump is not as good a debater as Hillary Clinton, assume shes got this expertise in debates and have a lower bar for him. Do you think that thats true, and do you think that thats fair . I think thats true. I dont think its really fair. I mean, that said, the pundits view, im curious where the vote remembers going to movement youve seen the last three weeks where donald trump has had a bit of a surge after he was struggling in august. What im curious about is weve had one big moment that change the the polls and that was in august when trump was feuding with the khan family, a clear moment where he lost three to four points, and ill be curious in these debates, the pundits say, does he make that kind of mistake where he right now hes doing pretty well with republicans, pretty well wind penalty. Can he maintain that and not make spot kind of very controversial remark that hurts him because thats where he struggles when he gets off message to the point where he insults people in a way that annoys even republican voters. Yeah, and i think to that point, sarah, you do see donald trump doing better in polls. A fox poll in ohio that shows him ahead of Hillary Clinton 4237 in a fourway race with johnson and stein done, a combined 8 and go over to the Suffolk University of ohio voters, donald trump at 42 and Hillary Clinton at 39 and stein and johnson a combined 5 , from the 12th to 14th of september. Go over to pennsylvania, this one is likely a little more alarming to the clinton camp. Its a very small sample poll, i should say. Its a morning call mullenberg, 44 for Hillary Clinton and 41 for donald trump. 500 people, definitely a small sample and polls are tightening so what would happen for current soft Trump Supporters to move away from him after watching that debate . Thats an interesting question, and, you know, weve also needed to debate whether these debates matter. I was of the belief that in fact these debates would matter quite a bit, is especially this first debate but as were looking at the polls coming out today, in fact, strong Trump Supporters and strong clinton supporters are very eager for the debate but independents far less so, so its unclear whether these debates will matter, but obviously the polls are tightening. The clinton camp has the most to lose by far, and what joel doesnt want to tell viewers is that its not whether Hillary Clinton is a good debater. Its when shes evasive and uses legalese. Shes going into this debate less trusted than donald trump which is why youre hearing him talk so much about fact checks so shes got an uphill climb and its not just debate performance. Its her tendency, the clinton tendency to, you know, parse over what the definition of is. Perry to that point, Hillary Clinton does have the builtins that shes going in with that make it difficult for her to have a clear debate performance win. Donald trump is a known quantity. If hes rattic, they expect him to be erratic. Does Hillary Clinton have more to lose . The race is tied. Bolt people have a lot to lose. Im not sure i want to suggest that one person has more to lose than the other does. The question for trump is debates are very hard. Donald trump has never been in a oneonone debate. Doesnt tend to have a great grasp of details of policy and i think you can hear that in his answers. So in a lot of ways trump has the challenge of can he explain positions clearly . Can he articulate i think you cant do a debate like he did with matt lauer where he basically said i have a secret plan to fight isis i cant tell you about. I think he has to be able to speak in detail about debates. The challenge for clinton is youre right, people expect her for her to have detailed answers. Its going to be hard for clinton to surprise us by being good in debates, as we expect her to be. That is a challenge but its easier to start from the place that you know the answers than to some extent about whether you know the answers. There will be no be his new friend teleprompter will not be there. Appreciate it. Terry, appreciate it and sarah will be back later in the show. Tomorrow night Hillary Clinton makes history as the first woman to take the center stage in a president ial debate. Well speak to president ial historian Doris Kearns Goodwin. Shes here next. Take on any road with intuitive allwheel drive. The nissan rogue, murano and pathfinder. Now get 0 apr for 72 months, plus 500 bonus cash. We thought fibers that caused unwanted gas. Gular not good. Then we switched to new mirafiber. Only mirafiber supports regularity with dailycomfort fiber and is less likely to cause. Unwanted gas. Finally. Try new mirafiber. From the makers of miralax. Im raph my name is anne. Im one of the real live attorneys you can talk to through legalzoom. 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To learn how you can save energy and money with solar, go to pge. Com solar. Together, were building a better california. Tomorrow, Hillary Clinton will make history as the first woman to take the stage, there they are, at a president ial debate at a president ial election debate. The women have taken the podium in primary debates before. Clinton did it in 2008 when she challenged then senator barack obama, and in 2011 there was gop candidate michele bachmann, and Carly Fiorina stood out in last years crowded republican stage. Long before them Shirley Chisholm, the first black woman to run for president for a Major Political party debated as well, back in 1972, but not without a fight. The democratic congresswoman had to file a complaint with the fcc to ensure that she was included in a televised debate. Joining me now is president ial historian Doris Kearns Goodwin. Its such a pleasure to talk to you. Thank you so much for joining me, doris. Thank you. Im glad to be here. Lets talk about this historic thing that is happening. I think we havent paid as much attention to the first woman part of the things that Hillary Clinton is accomplishing in her run for president. In your view as a historian, what does it mean to have Hillary Clinton on that stage . To have a woman on that stage . Actually i think thats huge to borrow from mr. Trump, and its interesting that we havent focused on it as much. I mean, in a certain sense in 08 when she became almost the nominee there was the first africanamerican nominee so it was overshadowed, and in this year in 2016 the first woman to win the nomination of a major party and its overshadowed by the trump phenomena, but i do think if she were to win, i think when people wake up that next morning after the election, its going to be a big thing that we finally after 44 president s who are male, one after the other after the other, after hundreds of years, that there would be the first woman president. I think its much bigger than were allowing ourselves emotionally to recognize right now. If you go back and look at the women when i was growing up, Geraldine Ferraro was the first woman you saw on that big National Stage in her Vice President ial debate in 1984. I want to play just a little bit of a clip of that, and then i have a question on the other side. Sure. Let me help you with the difference, miss ferraro between iran and the embassy in lebanon. Iran, we were held by a foreign government. In lebanon, you had a wanton, terrorist action where the government oppose it had. Let me just say, first of all, that i almost resent, Vice President bush, your patronizing attitude, that you have to teach me about Foreign Policy. Ive been a member of congress for six years. I was there when the embassy was held hostage in iran, an i have been there and i have seen what has happened in the past several months, 17 months with your administration. Secondly, please dontcality grise my answers either. Leave the interpretation of my answers to the American People who are watching this debate. Doris, Geraldine Ferraro became a controversial supporter when she supported Hillary Clinton back in 2008. Issues that she said about barack obama but put her in a Historical Context in terms of how important it was for her to be on that stage and what did she sort of accomplish for women . At the time, again, after she was nominated, there was a hope among women that it represented a huge step forward and that now we were going to see more and more women as Vice President ial candidates, as president ial candidates. Its taken a longer period than we might imagine but that clip you showed she couldnt have handled it better. I dont think george bush sr. Patronizing condescending man and the question threw him off her own personality. Responded in sorrow rather than anger. A great marker for the debate tomorrow night when something happens. I go to go back and play a little bit of Shirley Chisholm in the debate she participated in with Hubert Humphrey and george mcgovern, et al. This is exactly whats wrong with american politics. Unless you can buy or unless you have the money, people that have the ability, innovation, creativity in terms of putting new solutions into how Government Works are left out. Those same issues were in play in the Bernie Sanders campaign. It does seem that we are in this sort of cycle where were talking about kind of the same things over and over again. We dont talk much about Shirley Chisholm hes 1972 run. What was its significance . I think shes touching right then on whats the major problem right now in our political system, the fact that it costs so much for election, the fact that the politicians are spending so much time dialing for dollars, that maybe the best people arent entering public life because they dont want to do that. Everybody knows the system is flawed. Everybody knows money is too present and nothing is being done and there she was some years ago pointing it right now. Have women in your view, in terms of the political advancement of women, as a historian do you look at where women are in terms of, you know, not half. Senate, still behind in terms of the share of governors and statewide elected officials not to mention on the National Stage running for president . Just sort of put us on the road. Where are we in terms of the advancement of women and in terms of power politics in the u. S. . Well, it may be true that were not as far along at all as we should be in the political system, but when you look at the statistics about women graduating from college more than men, finishing graduate school more than men and finishing high school more than men. Women are coming and its only a matter of time now where that power that they are developing in the society and now having a different relationship with their husbands so that they can work as well as have children, i think that and weve said it before. Its womens time but i really think its womens time now and will be symbolized by the first president. If it doesnt happen this time, it will happen very soon. Absolutely, and i would be remiss if i didnt mention you interviewed president barack obama at the white house for vanity fair, an amazing piece, exit interview extraordinaire and want to read you a quote. This is the president speaking. I do ask myself was there something we hadnt thought of, some move that was beyond what was being presented to me that maybe a churchill would have seen or an eisenhower would have figured out. Are the best decisions in that moment given the information we have but there are times when i could have imagined a different level of insight. Hes talking about syria. Talk a little bit about the president s sort of ruminations on his Foreign Policy achievements and the places where he fell short. Is syria the place where he feels that he fell the most short . Well, i think surely he said he feels most haunted by syria. What was so fun for me as a president ial historian is ive been talking to dead president s my whole life. I have conversations with them when i wake up in the morning and when i go to sleep at night and finally i got to bring all my president s in the room and finally talk to him, and i think the piece that you just quoted from was one of the most interesting parts of it, he was saying what if i will the legislative acumen like lbj and been a genius like Abraham Lincoln and the charm of fdr, could there have been a solution for syria and other kinds of issues that out of the box i couldnt have thought of . I feel pretty confident when i Health Information in front of me i did the best i could, but that shows a confidence that at least hats humility of knowing on the other hand that there is some other people with geniuses that i might not have been. He was really thoughtful during the entire interview and new president s always fun to talk about the past as well as the present. Were out of time and i have to ask you this since i have Doris Kearns Goodwin in front of me. Which of these president s that youve talked with, dead president s throughout the year, which one of the dead president s do you think barack obama is most like . The calmness and the steadiness that he brings to it, hed like to think reminds him of Abraham Lincoln. He said in this thing that he wasnt an extrovert in quite the same way as fdr or bill clinton, more of a writer sensibility, and that might remind him of certain other president s, but none of them remind you of anybody. They are all indistinct they are all distinct individuals the more i know about them and you cant really compare them. Wow. Well, Doris Kearns Goodwin, such a treat to talk with you. Thank you so much for being here, and everyone should definitely check out your interview in vanity fair with president barack obama. Thank you, it was fun. Thank you. After the break, well go live to charlotte, North Carolina for the latest on the Police Shooting of keith lamont scott. Stay with us. I asked my dentist if an electric toothbrush was going to clean better than a manual. He said sure, but dont just get any one. Get one inspired by dentists, with a round brush head go pro with oralb. Oralbs rounded brush head cups your teeth to break up plaque and rotates to sweep it away. And oralb crossaction delivers a clinically proven superior clean vs. Sonicare diamondclean. My mouth feels super clean oralb. Know youre getting a superior clean. Im never going back to a manual brush. 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Scott falls to the ground. The body cam shows a brief glimpse of scott backing away from his vehicle and then shows him on the ground as officers handcuff him. It does not show the moments of the shooting. Police chief kerr putney does not definitively prove that scott had a gun in his hand but a load evidence with scotts dna and fingerprints suggests he was armed. Its also uncleared from the video who fired the gunshots. The police chief said all four were fired by one officer. The police also sent out their time line of events where they said observer observed scott with marijuana and holding a gun which they say gave them probably cause for the arrest. Scott attorney justin vanberg responded to the response by the police. One of the Big Questions when you look at this dashcam photos, when you look at the time frame between mr. Scott stepping out of his vehicle to the moment he, unfortunately, passes away on the pavement is do those actions do, those precious seconds justify the shooting . I want to bring in msnbcs ron moth live from charlotte. All right, what has been the reaction to the community to the release of parts of these video. Hey, joy, good morning. Anyone who would reach the decision that they believe the officer who fired the shots who killed keith scott, that the officer had somehow acted unbaleinebly to whatever threat he felt was there are probably feeling the same way after watching the two Police Videos and those who were consequently waiting for more information for those waiting for more information are feeling the same way because you really dont its up for interpretation whether the overs thought that that threat would require Excessive Force or deadly force, so whats going to likely keep this debate going, as you mentioned, joy, not all the videos were released or evidence was released yesterday and that may mean that we may see more demonstrations Going Forward in the you are foreseeable future until other evidence comes out. Last night very peaceful. Ive got to think that the officials here in charlotte are breathing a sigh of relief after that after the Police Videos were released. At the bank of america stadium, not far from here, the Carolina Panthers are hosting a home game in a few hours. We understand there will be some sort of demonstration outside the stadium. Dont know exactly the form thats going to take. Multiple media crews around the stadium, a lot of security outside that stadium and inside as well, so we do anticipate the people voicing their frustrations about this shooting last tuesday are going to make their voices heard again today. We know that game is at 1 00 so well be keeping an eye on it. Thank you, ron moth in charlotte. Up next, whats worse, lying under oath or deceiving your next supporters . Our next claim that donald trump has done either one or the other. Stay with us. Is it a caregiver determined to take care of her own . Or is it a lifetime of work that blazes the path to your passions . Your personal success takes a Financial Partner who values it as much as you do. Learn more at tiaa. Org. To cook healthy meals. 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In his latest deep dive on donald trump, newsweek reporter kirk ikenwald considers the new implications of a legal document, donald trump committed perjury or looked into the faces of the republican faithful and knowingly lied. There is no third on, unquote. This latest involves the question of whether or not trump attempted to ease the way for a new casino in florida by throwing money at jeb bush when bush was governor. The answer to that question depends on whether trump was telling the truth in a 2015 debate where he sparred with bush or in a conflicting story he told in a 2007 deposition. The newsweek Senior Writer joins me right now. Im going to play really quickly the 2015 debate section and then come back and ask a question. The one guy that tried to get me to change my views on something that was generous and gave me money was donald trump. He wanted casino gambling in florida. Totally false. You wanted it and you didnt get it. I would have gotten it. I promise, i would have gotten it. Im not going to be bought by anybody. I promise if i wanted it, it i would have gotten it. No way, man. Believe me. Nope. I know my people. Not even possible. So how did that answer differ from the deposition that you uncovered . 100 . Trump in the deposition said i wanted it. I threw fundraisers for bush. I was trying to change his mind and, you know, i knew he opposed it, and the only reason i didnt get what i want was because the guy im suing cheated me. You know, its its its the i mean, whats important is not just that he either committed libel or lied to the republicans. Whats important here is it shows the essence of the donald trump lie which is whatever circumstance hes in hes got to be the one who comes out on top, and so no matter what lie hes telling bush says you tried to buy me of course, no, i didnt. Deposition, well, you tried to buy him of course, i did, but if it wasnt for the guy im suing i would have won. You know, each one is i would have won if i hadnt been cheated, if i wanted it, and thats the thing thats really scary about donald trump is he lies with such a facility and its always about the end point of saying im great. Just to dial back just a little bit. What was this lawsuit about . The person that he hired to get casino gambling into florida, neerds, the guy he was paying to do what he said on stage he didnt do was working for him, said it wasnt going to work and he was a consultant and went to take a job with another company and trump sued him saying he cheated me because he worked for the other company and all the information that he developed for me. Got if. Now what does this tell you about donald trump . Youve said essentially that it tells you that he has a curious relationship to the truth, but for a voter who is trying to decide whether that matters to them about whether donald trump should be president , what would you say . I think the biggest thing is points out is that were not just dealing with a liar, i mean, in my opinion were dealing with someone who has a psych rog call problem. I mean, if you cannot stand back and ever say, yeah, that didnt work out, if you always have to change the facts in order to make it be i am perfect, i am great, youre dealing with a narcissist who is perfectly capable of manipulating reality to reinforce his own sense of greatness. The question comes down to, what i would really like to do is see donald trump on a polygraph machine and answer these questions where he is lying and see if it shows that hes lying because i think it would show that he believes hes telling the truth. I think hes a pathological liar. I would be remiss if i didnt very briefly ask you about the dustup of inviting Gennifer Flowers to the debate here at hofstra. Thats a great example of one of the problems here. Its severe impulse control. You know, i mean, so mark cuban is coming, so he has to do that, and think about it. You know, who is he trying to appeal, to the bully vote . Hes got that. Women are going to look at this and what they are hearing is, hey, i cheated on my wife a my multiple wives, but im going to invite the other woman. Im going to invite the woman that my opponents husband had an affair with to the debate. What kind of child does that take . You know, that is not president ial. Thats barely adult. Yeah. It is interesting, that is for sure. Always love talking but. Well bring you back in the next hour for more. All right. In our next hour, ill also talk to a panel of millenials to find out if Hillary Clinton will be able to pull a big win with young voters, and director rob reiner joins me to tell us why hes supporting the former secretary of state. But, first, we are one day away from the first president ial debate. We will have a preview after the break. 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Well, theres no question the clinton camp if they can see any opening to do it will cry sexism as they have in the past. You saw that in the rick lazio debate, her first debate as a candidate when he, you know, pointed at her and they said that that was sexist, so i do think the trump camp has to at least be prepared for that inevitability. I think the Clinton Campaign would be making a huge mistake doing that where its not warranted. She needs to pick up independent voters, though shes not doing well with her base, may help somewhat especially with the women not getting her yet. With the lazio situation, it was not so much people said that it was that the clinton camp said it was, it was perceived as being overbearing. Is that the risk that something hes done is perceived by the viewers as being overbearing . Oh, i mean i disagree a little on the ladsio debate. The Clinton Campaign sent out surrogates on that and the media fed into it and, you know, whether it was or wasnt i think the trump camp will see enormous pushback from the clinton surrogates because thats what they want the message coming out of this. Want it to be about trump. Not doing as well with obama voters, the coalition she put together. Shes got to get that together if she wants to win this thing. So lets oh, yeah. You know, let me just ask you one more quick question before i come back to the table and corrine. The trump moment with Carly Fiorina, the look at the face moment, another instance where debating a woman can be difficult. Talk a little bit about how that situation might reflect itself tomorrow. Does donald trump have any ssex said about Hillary Clinton . Certainly learned not to say about Carly Fiorinas looks from that point forward. Carly fiorina is not to be messed with on a debate stage. Im not sure that Hillary Clinton quite has the grasp of her surroundings the way that Carly Fiorina has shown to in debates, but well see what donald trump learned from that. I think hed be better off making this about the substance of Hillary Clintons evasiveness, the trustworthiness problems that voters have with her. The last poll showed him up on the economy, on terrorism. Push that back on the Clinton Campaign and less on the needily stuff. Okay. Let me get corrine in here. Lets talk about on the other side. Saw joe biden on the other side of the table, somebody who is seen as a wacky sort of character and he can be serious as well. Hes somebody that can have two sides. Difficulties of debating someone who is unpredictable . Heres the thing. I think Hillary Clinton has the advantage in the sense that shes done numerous oneonones whereas donald trump hasnt done any. Had 16 people, able to hide behind the 16 people and he wont have that this time around. There wont be a teleprompter for him, right, and this is a 90minute debate where theres no breaks, like i said no, teleprompter. Can we had stand that, withstand that, and so it will be remain to be seen. She has to do three things, i believe. Need to show off her policy chops, right. Needs to play a factchecker because hes going lie. Weve known that. Its been proven by politifact and other factchecking organizations and thirdly she has to work on his trustworthiness and if shes able to do those three things for her. As a woman debating, does she have to deploy charm . I hate to even have to ask that. They keep saying that. Does she need to find a way to deploy some things more than just facts and figures . Look, she has to be personable, absolutely. They both do, not just Hillary Clinton and thats the thing that you hear a lot about. Lazio, with the lazio debate, wanted to touch back on that. Look, debates are visual, right . When he got up and walked over to her, he looked like it looked very sexist, looked really bad, look like a bully and thats the thing to remember. A lot of visual context here that needs to be remembered and the oneliners, the visual aspect and the oneliners. As somebody who has worked on the campaign side, whats more important, the punditry after or the candidates . Voters will have one metric, who is qualified to be the commander in chief so they are going to listen to what these two candidates are going to say and thats the most important thing. Punditry and spin room are absolutely important. Millions of people who have not been paying attention will not will be paying attention to. What have they been paying attention to . Karine will be back in the next hour. Thanks, sarah. Can Hillary Clinton make more headway with theoutful . Ill ask an allmillenial panel as we continue our live debate coverage live from Hofstra University. Dont go away. Man, my feet are killin me. 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Dont tell me what to say. Fine, lose. Do you wonder what your opponent might be wearing . I i assume hell wear, you know, that red power tie. Or maybe like a white power tie. Thats even more appropriate. Welcome back to a. M. Joy. Im joy reid. Were here at Hofstra University where the first president ial debate takes tomorrow night. Hillary clinton is pulling out all the stops and young voters do favor her according to a new poll out today. 51 of likely voters under 40 say that they would pick clinton over trump. That 18 to 39yearold age group isen expansive than a group labeled himmial but when we look at a gypiac poll of millenial voters under age 35 her support sinks to 31 . Gary johnson, a libertarian candidate who famously asked what is aleppo and has a weird habit of sticking out his tongue when he does interviews comes in second at 29 . Those numbers might seem pretty good for clinton until we consider how until we consider how much support her democratic rival got from millenials in the primary. Bernie sanders won states like wisconsin because 82 of voters under 30 fell for the bern or felt the bern and in West Virginia 70 were with him. Even in ohio where clinton won decisively 81 of millenials still chose bernie and they were also instrumental in president obamas election victory. President obama won with 66 of those under 30 in 2008 and 60 in 2012. Joining me now to discuss donovan ramsey, editor at conflict. Com and jesse saunders, the president of democrats at off tra Young Democrats at off tra university and Nathaniel Erin the president of Hofstra College americans and the cofounder of campaign zero. Thank you guys for being patient. Lets talk about the polls for just a secretary. To brittany on this first, early on in at least the primaries both Bernie Sanders and Hillary Clinton had some confrontations with black lives matter but he wound up with stronger millenial support. Lets take a look at the latest polling, and this is quinnipiac. Donald trumps favorability among millenials, among those 18 to 34 years old, strongly unfavorable, 60 , somewhat unfavorable and 8 and 68 total and strongly favorable only 9. Lets go over to Hillary Clinton, september 8th through the 13th. Hillary clinton strongly favorable 14 , not that much better. Her strongly unfavorables 48 , better than trump but not great. Why do you suppose that is . I think there are a lot of reasons. You know, this generation, especially young folks of color having critical conversations about systemic issues so what we see is folks are frustrated with the entire system and that is why confrontations have happened at all levels. You know, i personally have already stated i plan to vote for Hillary Clinton, and i also plan to continue to push her administration when shes in office because thats what democracy, is but there are lots of young people, especially young people of of color who are considering not voting at all and what we need to ensure that the campaign and the party and our communities are doing are really approaching us with respect and a listening ear and not couldnt session. And one of the things that happened during the democratic primaries a relitigation of the 90s for young voters essentially little kids or not even around, right, during that time, but their perception of the clintons was really fused in that sanders versus Clinton Campaign. Is Hillary Clinton sort of at a disadvantage now in terms of getting those voters to be excited for voting for her because of their new perceptions of who she was then . I think hillary is really at a disadvantage when it comes to reaching Young Millenials of color who may not have been there for the big wins of the 90s but i dont think its something thats insurmountable so i think, you know, shes make strong inroads with black lives matter activists, with berns, of course, and when it comes to getting past some of the histories that she has, she really has to lift up some of the policies that Bernie Sanders put forward. You know, he wanted to have a department within the doj that would investigate Police Shootings, that she has to put forth some of the economic policies that mean so much to millenials in order to reach out and really seal their vote. And when i hear what donovan is saying, i think back to the fact that Hillary Clinton, while we were covering what was happening in baltimore, was giving her first major speech on issues of criminal Justice Reform. Shes done several of these speeches where shes talked about what she wants to do in that area. Why does it seem that that message has not really gotten through to the young voters that she really needs to be excited about voting for her in november . I think what youre going to see youll continue to see her talking about these plans and policy goals that she, a and i think, that you know, were not under no assumptions that this is an inevitable candidacy. Its unprecedented. Never had a woman in this position but also you have somebody who is acknowledging the mistakes made from the past and unforeseen circumstances, the first policy speech she gave was about ending the era of mass incarceration, so you see her talking about criminal Justice Reform. You see her talking about in her first budget putting 1 billion towards implicit bias training for Police Departments and increasing the level of trust and repairing the bond of trust between communities of color and Police Departments. You see her acknowledging that these issues actually need to be tackled, and as brittany said mainlyials of color are looking towards the future but also who is going to be on the other side of that table after this election to listen to you and to listen to your concerns, and Hillary Clinton has promised that she wants to be held accountable for the things that shes promising and on the other side of the table she will have an open ear to address those concerns. Well, i want to bring in jesse and nathaniel who are here at Hofstra University, the college democrats, the college republicans. Im going to start with you on this, jesse, and one thing that surprised me when i talk to young women about this campaign during the primary, when we were traveling and following them around was the lack of it not being particularly exciting for young won i spoke with having a first woman president , is that not compelling . It took a while for it to hit me. I dont think it really sunk in that theres a possibility that i will be here to see the first female president elected, and and now that youre looking at college students, youre starting to see that more, the general election and shes the secured nominee theres more excitement about that so i think thats a growing thing but i dont think its hurting her. I think its only a plus to her because her gender isnt something that shes leaning back on with millenial voters. Are you seeing interest in this election on campus among democrats . Yeah, would i say for sure. Theres a lot of interest. There was a lot of should i Vote Third Party because bernie is not in or should i do this, its opened up a lot of conversation but i see as the election goes on longer, a lot of people supporting hillary on company . Nathaniel youve got the toughest job out there in america trying to get young voters to support donald trump. Its difficult because the Republican Party nominee is as unpopular as any nominee has been in the history of polling, and hes singularly unpopular with young people. What is that kind of a challenge for you, and are you a supporter of donald trump . Im personally not but my club does support donald trump. The issue with republican young voters especially in the state of new york, seeing it right now, with the Electoral College we feel like their vote doesnt matter. Its not about who wins at end of the day, its about doing your civic duty and going out there and investigate, thats how is it difficult for you who said youre not a supporter of donald trump to see him as the head of your party. Do you think its hurting your party to grow long term . Yes, it does. If he wins this election hell change the dresks our party. If he loses by a bit he can blame the establishment saying they different support him enough. He has to lieutenants by a lot. The question of donald trump and sort of fear of a Trump Presidency, right, is kind of floated out there as a way to encourage particularly young voters to be afraid and go ahead and vote. Does that work . When people are out marching, brittany, in terms of black lives matter activism, young people focused on things like police brutality, does the idea of a donald Trump Presidency scare them and encourage them to want to vote . I think it does for plenty of people. At the end. Day i personally dont want to live to see that be our reality. I believe hes intrabctable and the kind of rhetoric weve seen hes dangerous. People are also looking for something to vote for. Its not just about excitement, right. Its also about guarantees and promises that our voices will be important after election day, and that it wont be about pandering but that it will really be about inclusive the kind of inclusive democracy that will create greater equity for people of color t. Works to an extent, but as this election continues we need to make sure that were focusing on what were giving to people to vote for. I mean, ill ask you the same question, donovan, because, you know, its one thing to say that a donald Trump Presidency would be horrible, nationwide stop and frisk, some of things hes proposed but is that enough to motivate young voters who typically dont come into the process in huge numbers other than when barack obama was on the ballot . Is fehr enough . You know, i dont think it is. I mean, and you can see that from the polling from the time that trump became the nominee and to now when it comes to young voters. Clinton hasnt picked up steam with young voters since then. Young people who supported barack obama in such huge numbers still want hope and change. That we have an economic and social situation right now that is not sustainable, right, so people that enter the the economy during one of the worst periods in recent history, having a hard time finding jobs, having a hard time getting loans, who may not own homes for generations dont want to hear im not donald trump. They want to hear it articulated for how we might have a Better Future than what our parents did. Ill ask you, jesse and nathaniel, is that what youre hearing, whether its republican leaning or democratic leaning peers is what they you know, is fear a motivator for young voters . I think it is to an extent, but if theres one thing mentalials dont like its being told what to do because its better for them. Well, thats every generation of kids, i think. Because they have this i feel we often get the oh, youre entitled to something, so people are being told you should do this because its like better for other people and i think is really in the end fear has never been a great motivator for American Voters even though it necessarily should be. Articulating some of the challenges getting young motivators at all in this election . I see a lot of fear. Both candidates are use fear as a weapon to get young people to vote or people to vote in general. Donald trump is looking at Hillary Clintons record saying do we want that as a president and Hillary Clinton is just doesnt really need to change what donald trump says. Right. Its tough, and the challenge for the campaign, of course, is to take all of this and figure out a strategy, affirmatively to have people affirmatively want to vote and not vote against donald trump and be motivated and what were seeing is some softness in these numbers for Hillary Clinton that could impact turnout. Well, i think that thats true but i also think that were working hard to really earn every vote, under no impressions that were just going to get guaranteed every vote just because people dont like donald trump. We need to make a case for why you should vote for Hillary Clinton. That is because she gets come together with Bernie Sanders on an improved college plan, a debtfree college plan and wants to increase access to Job Opportunities and apprenticeship for people not in college. Those are the types of things weve been talking about all across the country. We have 280 chapters on College Campuses around the country where people are coming together and we have black girl magic and meetups all over the country where black girls can come together about how issues can work for them and how Hillary Clinton can try to tackle some of those problems and provide solutions and this all comes down to policy when youre making an affirmative case for why you should vote for Hillary Clinton because i think tomorrow night you can see at the debate Hillary Clinton lay out a vision for where she wants to take the country and its not really just about rejecting donald trump, its also about why you should be for Hillary Clinton and like i said and as brittany said so eloquently earlier, a lot of this comes down to the most pressing issues like criminal Justice Reform and closing private prisons and repealing the hyde amendnent youre a lowincome woman and woman of color. So many of these issues are so important to young people, millenials like myself and i think youll hear a lot of that coming from Hillary Clinton tomorrow night. Really quickly, running out of time. Want to do a quick lightning round. One question you want to hear tomorrow night . How the candidates will commit to infusing voices of young people and people of color in their future administration. Donovan . I certainly want to hear something about policing and mass incarceration brought up. I think those are things that have been really marginalized in previous debates and want to hear their differences. Jesse . I want to hear about a compact education strategy, not just for make college debtfree but for power Education System set up from k12. Nathaniel . As both candidates are against tpp, the alternatives that both candidates are providing to tpp. The question would be what is your alternative to the tpp . 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You have a lot of people who get really angry when their favorite, you know, celebrity, favorite takes a side in politics. Do you feel theres real influence and if not why does hollywood get so involved . I dont know if theres real influence or not . I mean, were just people and our responsible no more valid than anyone elses. In my case ive been in involvement. Ive had a job in government for years, and ive been involved with Public Policy and and, you know, moving certain policy forward and ive been doing that for a lot of my life so im kind of separate and apart from a lot of people in hollywood and, you know, to me, celebrities are just people that can draw attention to an issue and ultimately you have to be able to drill down and be able to talk about the issue in a substantive way, and if you cant it really doesnt help, i dont think, one way or the other. One of the ways in which hollywood or the Entertainment Industry dove tails politics is some issues its so spot on, you can capture a cultural moment that is really clear and all in the family is one of those moments, that sentiment among a Certain Group of white voters about the world that they lived in and the way it was changing. It feels like thats being reflected now. I have to play you this incredible mashup of archie bunker sound and donald trump. Take a listen. I am so sick of washington and all its works and all them mixes down there and im so sick and tired of watching this incompetent politicians that are all talk and no action. The country is going straight into the dumper. Our country is in serious trouble. Send me your poor and your deadbeats and all of them, they come swarming in like ants. The u. S. Has become a dumping ground. Rob, what does it say to you that that sentiment is still so strong that you can almost produce without the lovability an archie bunker president ial candidate. Whats interesting is those issues which were very hot and on the front burner in, you know, in the 60s and 70s, that all of a sudden, you know, they got submerged after a while hand that you have this guy donald trump who comes along and essentially resurrects all of this and gives a bullhorn to this racist idea and i believe what weve done and what weve seen, is you know, the civil war the last throes of the civil war. Were fighting the last battles, and donald trump is leading the way for white nationalism. And its sad because people are hanging ton this idea of, you know, a White America and immigrant free america and and its scary and sad but its the last battle and i believe we will win it. To people who are saying, you know what, i hear people saying that and claiming that the donald trump phenomenon has something to do with race and i as a voter dont believe that at all. I believe he can make the economy better. What would be the argument to the soft trump voters who would be uncomfortable with some aspect of his campaign and still prefer him because hes the republican and hell give tax cuts so what is the worst Case Scenario of a donald Trump Presidency . The worst Case Scenario is the Supreme Court and people dont talk about it because its not a sexy issue. But if he has one, two, three appointments, that could change the direction of this country in a scary way for 30, 40 years and were talking about civil rights. Were talking about Voting Rights, womens rights. All of these things could be affected by the Supreme Court in a profound way and so thats what i would say to people and, i mean, as far as the economy is concerned, what makes you think he is going to have a better handle on the economy . Been a complete and utter br failure as a businessman. Hes had six bankruptcies and has been a failure. He uses, as he proudly says, i use other peoples money to pay for things and in many cases he uses other peoples money to buy off elected officials who are threatening to expose his, you know, fraudulent activities like trump university, so i would say to him what gives you this sense that he is going to be bert for the economy, especially since democrats historically have been better for the economy. You hear that old phrase. If you want to live like a republican, vote democrat, so i dont see where he and certainly laid no plans out for how he would fix the economy and by the way, its moving in the right direction. And, you know, one. Things that i do find interesting that every election cycle you have a certain percentage of hollywood, of, you know, the world out there in l. A. That are republican that come out for the nominee. Romney had them and mccain had them. Its been really quiet on the republican side of hollywood for donald trump. Give us the benefit of maybe your inside knowledge here. Is there a sense among people who are even conservative in hollywood that hes a bridge too far . You know, i think its a hard thing for people to support a racism and people in hollywood, even if they are republican, they are humanitarians. They do care about their fellow their fellow citizens and the idea of supporting somebody who is racist and who is spouting these racist ideas is way beyond a bridge too far. Weve been having fun, rob, asking folks what question they want to Ask Donald Trump at the debate tomorrow night. I would ask him that if in fact he had a secret plan to defeat isis why didnt he tell us that and maybe we could have avoided San Bernardino and the and the pulse nightclub and and turkey and paris. If you have a plan you basically should have come forward with it because a lot of lives were lost. Where was that secret plan . Yeah. An excellent question. Hope flay will come up at the debate tomorrow night. Rob, were going to keep you here. Youre coming back later in the program. Love talking to you. Thank you, sir. Youll be back soon and up next senator Elizabeth Warren goes in on donald trump from his ties to russia to his refusal to release his tax returns. Do you not want to miss that. Th, th, every business is different. But every one of those businesses will need legal help as they age and grow. Whether it be help starting your business, vendor contracts or employment agreements. Legalzooms network of attorneys can help you every step of the way so you can focus on what you do. 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Even his own supporters has joined team tax return and asked their candidates to just show them the money and, of course, the longer voters go without information as vital as the republican nominees tax returns and the longer journalists have to keep batting down excuse after excuse or withholding his return from the public, the more people are left to ask questions, like senator warren inquired on saturday. It donald trump really prepared to take his name off all of his business dealings, totally separate himself from his business and put the interest. United states of America First because donald trump has demonstrated time after time after time the person donald trump puts first is donald trump. Well, we shall see if we get any answers in tomorrow nights debate. Up next, just pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. Is it a professor who never stops being a student . Is it a caregiver determined to take care of her own . 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Will Gennifer Flowers be there . Gennifer flowers will not be attending the debate tomorrow night, and donald trump was was using the tweet yesterday to really mock an effort by Hillary Clinton and her campaign to really distract attention from where the American People will be focused tomorrow night. Less than 24 hours after trump offered a debate invitation to Gennifer Flowers, his surrogates walked it back saying the campaign has not and will not invite her. This all started when Dallas Mavericks owner and expert trump troll mark cuban tweeted about his front row seat at tomorrow nights debate and trump in return threatened to reserve a front row seat for Gennifer Flowers, a former tv personality who allegedly had an affair with former president bill clinton in the 1980s and the allegation nearly took down clintons 1992 president ial debate. Trump tweeted if dopey mark cuban of failed benefactor fame wants to sit in the front row, perhaps i will put Gennifer Flowers right alongside of him, exclamation point. Flowers responded said you know im in your corner and will definitely be at the debate. Smooch emoji. Back with me is activist rob reiner and hugh hewitt, host of the hugh hewitt show and i have to ask you about the Gennifer Flowers invitation and the campaign is knocking it down but what does it say about donald trump, that hes so easily triggered just by the idea of mark cuban sitting in the front row that he has to go there . How does that strike you, hugh hewitt . Didnt strike me as a good idea. Donald trump is famously a counterpuncher. That count punch was below the belt and im glad to see that it was not serious and governor pence, the president ial nomination said this morning, thats not hafnlgt i do think there are some effective people and campaigns do put people in audiences to convey messages. Gennifer flowers isnt one of them. Hugh, just to stay with that for a moment and glad to hear you say that. Does it worry you as somebody supporting donald trump for president that hes there easily triggered, just by the idea of someone sitting in front of him who has trolled him in the mast, a billionaire who may look down on him, doesnt that worry you about his compartment as president . Clearly secretary clinton is favored going into this debate tomorrow dramatically because of reasons like that, but i just got done saying on meet the press, joy, americans are going to watch this and the higher voter turnout, 75 hill million to 1 is hundred million voters and they will see two archetypes, Hillary Clinton is the toughest teacher in the school, maybe she bends over backwards for the smartest kids and donald trump is the loud but winning football coach who steps on toes. It writes itself. And i dont know who is going to win but never the two archetypes shall meet. The script writes itself. Maybe rob can write that script. Its definitely a script though. Well watch. Yeah. Or an up scripted reality show. You know, rob, ill ask you the same question because this is who donald trump is, right . There are certain things that if you talked to people like tony skwhaurts who wrote the art of the deal or others who have covered him for a while, this is a guy with a lot of insecurity around his wealth and hes very easily set off by people he thinks are looking down on him. Theres a frontline piece that says hes running for president because he thinks people look down on him and he wants people to bow down at him. Should people be concerned about the debate . People should be surprised by it. Hugh, people think of this you as a smart republican and just when joy asks you doesnt it give you pause that somebody youre supporting would be that thin skinned, you didnt really answer that question and so you went on to something else. The fact of the matter is i would love it if Gennifer Flowers were sitting there because that would be the rick lazio moment times a million. That would basically give the election to Hillary Clinton. It is it is such a poor thought out idea by donald trump and the idea that this man could be a president and this is his decisionmaking process is scary beyond belief, and im surprised at you, hugh, that you would be supportive and so many thoughtful republicans are saying, you know, this is as joy point out earlier, a bridge way too far. Really. If i may ill give you a chance to answer that. Rob and i have been tv pals and supported his prop in 1990 and been on the local prop 10 and rob has done a few good things. This is not one of them. The real issue is the Supreme Court and whoever let me ask you a question. Hugh, well do the Supreme Court. I think both care about this issue as lot because i do want to give you the question, the president s demeanor and xrtment, having a steady hand in a moment like that that could have meant nuclear war, you think about the decisions that president s have to make that can mean life or death, having somebody in the white house who is erratic and who has to be has to have his phone taken away from him because he cant stop himself from tweeting an invitation to Gennifer Flowers, doesnt that worry you just in terms of his xrtment and demeanor, hugh hewitt . No, im much more worried about secretary clinton fleeing the state department at 1 00 a. M. Often the much night of bengz and the nixonian approach she has for politics and i worked for richard nixon. This is an election not just about election but the 3,000 people who come with you when you are president and about the Supreme Court which well talk about. Its not even close for me, joy and rob. Im voting for trump because a Hillary Clinton court and administration is hard left forever for the country. Well, let me ask you this question, hugh, because donald trump has also said if iranian if iranian fleets make hand gestures, people in iranian fleets make hand gestures of the United States he would blow them how the of the water. Thats what he who said. He said he would have an erratic foreign response in a northern crisis policy. The problem is iranians know what secretary clinton will do because they will all of her emails and on the one hand you no evidence that the iranians have Hillary Clintons emails. There is expert testimony from mike morell on my show that any decent Intelligence Agency has all of her emails. Its expert testimony. We dont have evidence. The fbi looked at it. I dont want to go into a back and forth on that, but the fbi did an extensive investigation of Hillary Clintons email servers and said express italy they could find no evidence they cant rule it out. Right. But they lets not say that they have her emails because oh, but i have expert testimony. Okay. Whatever might morel said on your radio show i dont want us to be saying things that are not in evidence. Its true. Its true, joy. We want to go it is, its true. You dont have evidence of that because someone says it on the radio show. Expert testimony is evidence. Thats not expert testimony on a radio show. Ive done radio as well and appearance on radio is not expert testimony. It just isnt but the testimony under oath to the fbi, two Different Things and i want to go and let rob get a word in edgewise because we were talking about the Supreme Court. Rob, you made that very important issue when we spoke earlier. What would be your biggest concern giving donald trump decisionmaking ability . Do you trust that this list that he gave out of people he would put on the court would be the list, or do you have some other concern . Well, i have concerns about anything that comes out of Donald Trumps mouth because ive never seen a person lie has much as this guy does. The word lie ive never seen it used more in a president ial campaign about a candidate and Mainstream Media and everybody use the word lie. I mean, youve seen lists and lists of it so i dont take anything that he says at face value and the thing that to me is is most interesting, you have i mean, hugh, again, an intelligent guy. It wasnt about you know what donald trump is, you know, its all about what he doesnt like about hillary. Its an antihillary vote and i get people dont like hillary and all of that, but intelligent people do know that there is climate change, that there are certain realities in the world that we have to address and donald trump just doesnt want to address those things, so, yes, the Supreme Court is important, and its very important. It will be important for many years, but i have no idea what donald trump. He says these are the people he would nominate which scares me because some of them would take peoples rights away, existing constitutional rights, would take them away, but but i have no idea what hes going to who hes going to put up. He he lies about everything. He lies about things in the same sentence. Hell Say Something at the beginning of a sentence and then say the exact opposite at the end of a sentence so i have no idea, you know, how to judge him or take him at his word. He doesnt have a word. Yeah. I wish we had more time. Were actually out of time. Can you guys both come back and can we reinvite you back and love to have you back on again. Sure. Thanks very much. Hugh is going to come back a little bit later in the show. In our next hour, who has the most to lose in tomorrow nights debate. My colleague takes a closer look at the expectations game, but, first, theres so much more a. M. Joy after the break. Take on any road with intuitive allwheel drive. The nissan rogue, murano and pathfinder. Now get 0 apr for 72 months, plus 500 bonus cash. Im not a customer, but im calling about that credit scorecard. to dog give it. Sure its free for everyone. Oh well thats nice and checking your score wont hurt your credit. Oh to dog im so proud of you. Well thank you. Get your free credit scorecard at discover. Com. Even if youre not a customer. Could protect you from diabetes . crunch what if one situp could prevent Heart Disease . One. Wishful thinking, right . 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If the polls get closer and he takes consistent leads in some of the battleground states, i wouldnt be surprised if a prominent republican or republicans start to endorse Hillary Clinton. Looking admit romney, george w. Bush. I think because they want to save the Republican Party, that they will fall on the sword just so that there is not a Trump Presidency. Is that your headline . That is my headline. Look at that. Perfectly previewed. You think major republicans will . I think so. They are thinking about the future of the Republican Party. If i were them, thats what i would think about. My question is how much influence they would have. The bushes, are they influential . I think its a symbolic thing. I think that is important. When you have the stallworth of the Republican Party saying were not going to get behind our republican nominee. That sends a message. Before i go to kurt, have i to a i have to ask you, hugh, do you think that influences voters . Mitt romney, if he declared, would. George w. Bush is not going to it. If shes right, thats a killer. Because governor romney would deliver utah to secretary clinton. The interesting thing is the rumor that bill weld might be wavering if he thinks they might pull too much from clinton to help trump w. Let us go to kurt. Whats the big headline of next week . Unfortunately, its going to be trump exceeded expectations, hillary came below expectations, something about expectations. Which i think is the worst thing that our profession does. What expectations are is what were all saying among ourselves. And the reality should be, you know, who did the better job. You dont get to come in first in the olympic trials because even though you came in second. I hope that if we are spending a lot of time talking about who exceeded expectations or didnt meet expectations or had the best one liner or who coughed or sneezed, i hope that voters will start turning off their tv and start reading the newspapers, because were not delivering anything of any use. You know, i am going to do something unprecedented in the history im going to deliver a reverse mclaughlin and say you are all correct. You are all correct. I think the polls are going to get tighter in pennsylvania. I think you will see major republicans begin to shift sides as the race gets tighter. I think they will declare donald trump did better than expectations unless he falls, trips, dools or punches Hillary Clinton on the stage. I think that is the way that we roll, unfortunately. Thats the way the media works. Thank you very much. Thank you all for being here. Really appreciate you guys. We will see you again. I will be back at 5 00 p. M. With more, two hours of predebate coverage. 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