The Campaign Said he wouldnt. Then the Campaign Said, yes, he will. Donald trumps visit to detroit follows a meeting with a small group of africanamericans in philadelphia. Meanwhile, suf fork universityusa today poll shows trump running fourth behind Hillary Clinton, gary johnson and jill stein. Covering trumps visit to detroit is msnbcs trymaine lee. Have we got an update of whether or not donald trump will actually speak to the congregation . Reporter joy, thats almost at this moment the Million Dollar question. I spent the last few days talking with black voters who were already feeling the outreach effort by donald trump to black voters was disingenu s disingenuous. Now we have the bark and forth, all the drama and theatrics surrounding what folks hope will be a conversation. As you said earlier, its not clear if that conversation will happen. Will he address the audience . Will he not . Will the media be able to watas anything . So far now. Adding the that, folks not buying what donald trump is selling, we have dozens of protesters already gathered. Theyre a multifaith group. Theyve been relatively quiet so far, but already a sizable group. You have muslims and christian, other faiths all together. Earlier the security was checking folks to see if they had tickets to get inside. They were turning voeks away. Apparently now, at some point they may allow the public to come in. At this point, we dont have any information whether thats started yet. But again, part of the issue with the black folks and their feelings towards donald trump, it may be too little too late. They watched him go city to city. His rhetoric about your schools are no good, your communities are no good, youre getting shot, people feel its about theatrics. If thats the aim, its been theatrical so far. Speak of theatrics. Youve covered lots and lots of rallies in which there are protests outside donald trump events to my knowledge, this would be the first time were actually seeing donald trump traverse through a black community and potentially through a crowd that contains largely african merricks. Do you expect hell be taken through the front entrance of that church, well see a visual of donald trump walking or traversing through that crowd . Reporter that would be a sight to behold. We havent seen donald trump in a black space, per se. But they played this so carefully, hand picked audience by way of the tickets. The kind of scheduling around the closed door interview with bishop wayne jackson, the fact that there will be no questions from the audience as far as we understand. Theyre playing it so careful, im not sure well get to the point where we see him weigh into the sea of black church folks. It would be a sight to behold. At this point, unclear if it will happen. Thank you for being with us. Trymaine lee, thanks for being with us. Leah wright mcgirt and robert train ham and reverend dr. William barber, president of the North Carolina naacp, along with paris dennard of the National Diversity coalition for trump. Paris, im going to come with you first. You were on tv with me the other night. It was after 11 00 p. M. The reporting was that donald trump would not be speaking at the church and it would be a scripted devent. You were very definitive saying no, no, hes going to speak. Do you have inside knowledge as to whether donald trump is or is not going to address the congregation today . Glad to be with you again this morning. As i said before, i worked with the rnc and am a member of the National Coalition for trump, not officially with the Trump Campaign. What i have been told is at first the New York Times piece was inaccurate and there was no public release of the schedule and mr. Trump had every intention on addressing the audience at the Church Service. Its important for our audience here to know this is not a campaign rally, this is not an official trump event. Hifs invited by bishop wayne t. Jackson to attend the Church Service and in addition, have an interview afterward for Bishop Jacksons television network. Let me ask you a quick question, paris. Why did the campaigns rebuttal say the campaign had changed its mind or changed its plans and he would not be addressing the service . They didnt characterize the story as being wrong. The Campaign Said they changed their plans. What i meant by the story being wrong, the fact that that was exactly what was going to happen today at the church. That was incorrect. But if they say they changed their plans, then that means the update to the story is that they are acknowledging the initial story was correct and that they maybe as a result of the story changed their plan. They never refuted the original story. We wont go back and forth on it. I want to make sure thats clear. You characterized their reporting as incorrect. Theres been no evidence that the story wasnt correct. Right. What im saying is, if anybody said that report in the New York Times exactly what was going to happen, in the fluidity of a campaign, thats wrong. Were going to see mr. Trump have an excellent event at the invitation of Bishop Jackson, it will be a good thing. Just like he went to new mexico at the invitation of the president , he always shows up when asked. Reverend barber, i want to play you what trul said about this trip to detroit and get your reaction on the other side. Take a listen. Youre going to detroit for an africanamerican outreach. What do you plan to do there . Really just that, were going to have an africanamerican outreach. I have so many africanamerican friends where theyre doing great, making good money, living a good life, they have an American Dream going. You have tremendous numbers of africanamericans that are having a hard time. Say what do you have to loose. Give it to me, im going to if fix it. Reverend barber, your response . We know what we have to lose. A personal visit is not the issue. Its his policy vision. A revival took a ninepoint policy vision to the rnc. Instead of receiving it, we were actually almost arrested. Hes not visited the naacp or the urban league. Hes wrong on voting rights. He came to my state where the courts have said it was intentional racism by the republican leadership. He said the ruling of the court would actually produce fraud. Hes wrong for the Affordable Care act. He said he will repeal it. 3 million africanamericans would Lose Health Care because of republican governors who blocked medicaid expansion. He said hes concerned about the Africanamerican Community. He say it is minimum wage is already too high. There are 64 million americans who make less than a living wage, and 54 of africanamericans. Point after point after point. Its not about a personal visit and a photo op. Its about where he stands on policies that impact racial inequality and class eve inequality in this country. Hes wrong. Hes simply trying to have a photo op. He said hes going to end violence, but he works with the nra and their proliferation of guns. It is counterintuitive to think you can come in our community, have a personal visit and that will substitute for a policy vision. I have to get some responses for the folks at the table here. Leah and robert, as i was playing that clip of donald trump on fox, both of you were ref acting to it. The word i heard coming from you was condescending. I dont even know where to begin. Let me start with the positive, the positive that donald trump is going to the black community. Thats a plus. Hes going to a black community or black church and hopefully listening to the concerns of the Africanamerican Community. Where was donald trump back in june, may, april when he presumably was the republican nominee. Lets be honest. This is not about black people. This is about white suburban women, this is about susie, debby, ashley, in the suburbs of philadelphia and cleveland, ohio. The reverend is absolutely right. I as a brown person find it very condescending when somebody says im going to fix your schools or youre going to get shot. The tweet a couple days ago to dwyane wade. Exactly. It comes across as so insincere and so condescending, that im almost at a loss of words. We can show that tweet while i get leahs take before we go back and let paris respond. We can show that tweet. This is when dwyane wades cousin was killed and Donald Trumps first instinct was to say vote trump. Just as i was saying, africanamericans will vote trump. The second tweet was from his campaign. We are able to tell when the tweet comes from the iphone, it was from the campaign. When the tweet came from himself, thats what he said. Hes raced the tweet. He didnt erase it. He released it and he corrected the spelling of dwyane wades name. But still said the same thing. Right. He stood by it. The reality was, his first tweet was vote trump. It wasnt about condolences. Its always about him. Its always about donald trump and how he can fix things. When you ask him about specifics, paris, there are no specifics. When you ask him about School Choice whoa, whoa, whoa, lets be clear. Hes for School Choice and supports charter schools. Thats a fact. Im hearing this from you, i havent heard it from donald trump. Paris, hold on a second. Lets first let reverend in. If you look at the script he wrote, he says he wants to improve Public Education but lifts up a Voucher Program that takes the money and gives it to private schools. Its not about building up public schools. Policies, hes not just speaking to suburban whites, but whites particularly in the south who for years since Strom Thurmond have used divvy sive politics to suggest that poor whites problems are because of black people. Thats why he said your communities are poor. Thats coded language. In other words, this is the problem in our society. In fact, the very policies that he supports, even trickledown economics that would take us back to the recession of george bush, those policies will hurt africanamericans and poor whites. Republicans are scared of africanamericans and poor whites and latinos coming together in the south, because if that happens, the solid south is over and they would no longer have a stronghold on the political electorate in this country. Leah, the book you wrote gets to this challenge. For africanamerican republicans, theyre trying to sort of thread a line of really supporting the policies that are best for their own community, right . For black folks. But also existing inside of a party that to reverend barbers point, often on a policy basis or even rhetorically, ill fix it for you. Ill swoop in and be this great white hope because your communities are so bad, thats tough to defend. Not only that. If we look at current polling, it shows black republicans, black conservatives actually dont support donald trump. So that says something, when you dont have the support of the black members within your party and who are very vocal about not supporting whoever the nominee is. None of this is sincere, none of it is general anyone. We can look at his history and his remarks. Lets look at his history. Yes, lets look at his history. If we want to look at the central park five, his housing discrimination, payments at the front of the Birther Movement, these are sincere problems. This is why hes sitting at about 95 unpopularity with africanamericans across the board including black women where hes rapidly approaching 100 unfavorables. Paris, to that point, donald trump is going to a black church today. He did this blanket nonapology apology, though he didnt say anything specific. Wouldnt it be a great opportunity if hes sitting in front of that pastor to acknowledge and maybe apologize for having to settle a housing discrimination case in which c for colored was written on the applications of black wouldbe tenants in his building in new york or seeing he would like to see the central park five later found innocent of the crime that they were accused of, wanting to see them executed or leading and fronting the Birther Movement . Arent those things he would help himself if he would atone and apologize for them while talking to that pastor . I highly doubt that anything mr. Trump did would appease you or nish else on the left you dont think those things are worthy of apologizing for . I think its important to adequately describe his record, when reverend Jesse Jackson needed office space for his wall street project, he provided that. Paris, hold on. Hold on. Were out of time. But i have to say of course you are. Yes, we are. Because you didnt let me say anything positive about mr. Trump and went on and won about the negatives. The fact that when opened up his propertys to africanamericans and jews when it was unpopular to do so. Meeting with hundreds of pastors on koontd basis. Why is he at 0 or 1 . Hes not at 0 . You cannot continue to treat the groups that you say that you want to win over like crap and expect youre going to win them over. Well, hes not. Hold on, hold on. You know what, paris, you cited him giving office space to Jesse Jackson on wall street. Watch youtube clib of Jesse Jackson praising him. Reverend barber, were going to go to the pastor. Theres a scripture that says, you say lord, lord, but your heart is from it. Im an evangelical, an independent. So am i. I dont need to know his heart. You should want to know his heart. Paris, paris. On the heart of his policy, when it comes to where hes been on civil rights, where hes been on voting rights, on progressive economics, hes been wrong in the past, hes wrong in the present and what hes projecting is wrong in the future. Hes running to be dividerinchief. Hes trying to say if i have go a black church, hes spoken to the black community. Not true. His policies are bad for black folks, latinos, poor people. Economists have said even his trickledown economics would take us back into recession. Repentance would be in order for the day rather than him trying to run a game on the Africanamerican Community. Youre right. We dont want to look inside of his heart. When you look at the heart of his policies, they are difficult i have sive and racist and wrong. Well pause it right there. All of these great guests will be back later in the show. 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My culture is a very dominant culture, and its imposing and causing problems. If you dont do something about it, youre going to have taco trucks every corner. Joining me, marina mayor hossa, juan hernandez, cochair of latinos for trump and latinos for johnson weld, and paris dennard of the National Diversity coalition for trump. Sorry about that. You said adios memo in the first clip from mr. Gutierrez. I want to play you a little more. It was on all in. I was filling in for chris haines. People started sending previous clips of things Mark Gutierrez said before. This clip was particularly interesting. I want to play it for you and get your response. This is what i think about hispanics, because i am one. Our culture is a very dominant culture. If you guys as americans dont do something about this, us hispanics, were taking over. I have six kids, guys. Lets be honest. Lets be frank here. Its hard to know what to make of that because Marco Gutierrez himself is mexican american, hes an im grant himself. When you hear that as a latina, what do you make of it . The Immediate Reaction i have is the tone of the conversation nationally seems to have really gotten internalized by people like Marco Gutierrez. Were now all of a sudden its not enough that theres a sense of latino hate. Im using that term very specifically because in my reporting thats what im hearing. On latino usa, thats what were hearing as well. Now you have him saying this about himself. The truth is, joy, you know, the demographics are true. Latinos and apgss are the Fastest Growing demographic groups in our country. It is going to happen. The United States of america is going to become more latino, more asian. But the notion of, its something bad when i was a little girl growing up in chicago, i would have to leave my neighborhood to the mexican neighborhood to buy the chipotle. Are we going down the tubes . Many people are saying what happened on thursday night with this not softening but rather hardening of the immigration stance is that donald trump lost the election. He will not be able to move those numbers with latino voters. Juan hernandez, just to look at the polling, the latest polling shows donald trump at 19 which is considerably below where mitt romney was when he lost by 5 million votes in 2012. Thats a pretty catastrophic number. Your reaction to the fact that he still has been able to field people, including latinos who are willing to sort of i dont know, push this line, that there is a threat of a latinization of american culture. Look, i think we as latinos and we as americans in general, we deserve better than the two candidates weve got. On the one hand, we have the insults by trumps. He has insulted me. He has insulted my family, insulted my friends in mexico. We can go on and on, women, the handicapped. Also on the left, im sorry to say, were insulted, fed up with eight years of unkept promises including dignifying immigrants. Thats why, by the way, im going with the third option, gary johnson, who says he will pass Immigration Reform. Let me ask you this question, juan, to stay with you a second. I think a lot of people agree its disappointing that Immigration Reform didnt pass. There was obstruction. A bill passed in the United States senate. They wont even bring it up in the house. Do you have that conversation about down ballot at some point . It would be signed by the president , even the senate bill, which people think is flawed, the president would sign it in a heard beat. You cant get it on the floor of the house. Isnt that a broader conversation . When he had both the house and the senate, he didnt promote it. Its a matter of heart, like your pastor said in the last segment, i believe. This gentleman, our president , has deported more immigrants, good people that are a blessing to our nation than the previous 19 president s. I cant be told that he is promoting Immigration Reform when he is deporting, separating 2 million families. Hes not promoting. At the beginning of his administration i was called by Lindsey Graham and mccain, that the president met with him and he really was going to promote Immigration Reform, would i help go throughout the nation presenting the platform . Its been seven years, we have not been called back by the president. He did not want to promote Immigration Reform. On the contrary, he wanted them out, vamenos. This is the president who also did daca and tried to do dapa as well. That conversation, suzanne, that youre looking at, among latinos and voters trying to decide right now between Hillary Clinton and donald trump and the third party candidates, where are you hearing Voters Falling on that topic of whether Immigration Reform would be better off in the hands of Hillary Clinton, better off in the hands of donald trump or one of the third parties . I dont think the conversation is much of whose hands its better in. Its more a conversation of getting this resolved. We have to remember how long this has been going on. Ive been in washington, d. C. Since 2000. Thats when growers, al cultural people and activists actually sat down and came to an agreement for the first time on Immigration Reform. It got stopped in congress by republicans. People at that time were bringing their children, those who brought their children who are not here legally or were not here legally, they were 4 years old, toddlers, theyre 20, 24 years now or maybe even older if they were older children. Weve gone this long and i think people in the Latino Community know that. And the last Immigration Reform was passed by a republican, ronald reagan, right . And not been brought up by the speaker of the house. Out cant ignore reality, juan. There is a bill that passed in the United States senate, the house of representatives, the speaker wont bring up. You have a congress, they will not bring Immigration Reform up. I do want to get paris in here. We havent allowed him to have a comment. Paris, im glad to have you hear. The issues of Immigration Reform are not latino only. There are a lot of black immigrants who are impacted by the lack of Immigration Reform, too. Is this a conversation that you hear taking place among black republicans, quite frankly, that Immigration Reform needs to be booed ended as a topic . Absolutely, joy. Its not that we need to focus exclusively on or say mr. Trump is against immigration. Its the issue of illegal im grapgs. Im from phoenix, arizona. I know this issue well. I have hispanics, actually mexicans in my own family. This is very important to me. To your point directly, joy, the issue of illegal immigration, there is an issue with the black community as relates to jobs and the jobs that may or may not be there. We have to get to the bottom of this. The grounding of america is a good thing. The more entrepreneurs in this country here doing it legally is a good thing. I like have taco trucks on every corner if that means we have young people, millennials that are entrepreneurs being part of the American Dream. We cant continue to reward bad behavior. We have to fix the illegal immigration problem. Im a little insulted by the word illegals. Thank you. I was going to say the same thing. I appreciate you using the right vocabulary. Im careful with every group. Were all gods children, the pastor would say. Amen. Nobody is illegal in this world. God put us all here. But there are laws. Well leave it at that. This is like being in a family home. When youre in this home, we ask that you please not use terminology that offends people. Yall are guests in our house. Like super predators like Hillary Clinton used. Paris, you keep on trying. We would like an apology to africanamericans, to women, to the handicap, to the hold on, hold on. Were not going to keep belaboring the point. The segment is over. Paris, good try, trying to take the conversation in a different direction. Google gary johnson, please. Theres a third option. Thank you very much you all. Next, how latino voters could tip the balance in temperature election. Stay with us. Its easy to love your laxative. 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Just so you know, thats very unusual. These are the people that in a normal campaign act as Campaign Surrogates speaking on behalf of their candidate. The trump surrogates arent like that, theyre more unique. More on that, stay with us. Hmmmmm. The turbocharged dream machine. The lkswagen golf gti. Named one of car and drivers 10best, 10 years in a row. Soon, shell be bingestudying. Get back to great. This week 50 off all backpacks. Officeepot officemax. Gear up for school. Gear up for great. Using ,000 points from my chase ink card i bought all the framework. Wire. And plants needed to give my shop. A face. No one will forget. See what the power of pots can do for your business. Learn more at chase. Com ink and i want to declare to the whole world and to the Republican Party that under donald trump and under a donald trump administration, all lives matter welcome back to a. M. Joy. Pastor mark burns has been a prominent surrogate for donald trump especially when it comes to defending accusations of racism. He released a statement yesterday saying he overstated several details of my biography. That was wrong. I wasnt truthful then and i have to take full responsibility for my actions, unquote. He added, i do also want to set the record straight about why this attack is happening. Because i am a black man supporting donald trump for president. Maria and robert are with us. And joining us phillip bump and National Republican strad gist katon dawson. You happen to hail from the great state of South Carolina where there are not one, but more than one nonwhite republican prominent Office Holders to include the governor nikki haley who is Indian American and tim scott, one of only two africanamerican senators. They are not, neither of them, out supporting donald trump. Is that unusual not to have prominent elected officials not helping him . It is unusual. Especially South Carolina, an early president ial state where every primary since 1980 we picked the nominee except when Newt Gingrich won four years ago. Its extremely unusual. I think its the volatility of the Trump Campaign coming through South Carolina, some of the rhetoric that was said. Its unusual, joy, yes. Phillip. If you think back to the 2000 primary between jain and george w. Bush, it doesnt get more contentious than that. It was South Carolina where supporters of george w. Bush accused jain of having an elicit black child, basically casting aspersions on his adopted daughter who is not black, baugh dark come plekted asian and using a racial dog whistle, you still had john mccain come out and support george w. Bush for president. I think its a combination of a few things. When an elected official looks to make an endorsement, they want to make sure theyre not going to be damaged by their association with this candidate. So donald trump has said all these various things that have been received very negatively in the Africanamerican Community, a large part of the Hispanic Community as well. That by itself is bad, but the fact it looks as though its an uphill climb for him to be successful. I think thats one of the reasons why you see a lot of prominent republicans. They dont want to lose someone who they think is going to lose and at the same time is considered toxic in some communities. Robert, i want to play some sound from reverend joe watkins, pastor of a church in philadelphia, but also worked with the george h. W. Bush. Hes a very prominent africanamerican republican. This is what he said about how donald trump ought to be courting his constituency. If you want to kourtney constituency, one is with respect, two, to reach out to the leadership of the constituency, in our case, naacp, National Urban league with mark more yell, the National Association of black journalists. There are a plethora of africanamerican organizations that have real constituencies where they can reach out and talk, begin a dialogue. You have worked in this area for a long time. When you have republicans like joe watkins not having anything to do with the Trump Campaign and not having that kind of a level our gat, what does that say to you . It says donald trump is in a lot of trouble with black people. I also tells me donald trump is not very sincere in going to the black community. I want to go to pastor burns. I was in the Convention Hall in cleveland when he had that fiery speech. He spoke very eloquently and passionately about how Hillary Clinton was a, quote, unquote, liar. His words, not mine. Whats interesting about his background, he was disingenuous in a black fraternity, disingenuous with his military record, disingenerous with a masters degree at a seminary school. Youve got to be careful when you throw a boulder from a glass house. Everything donald trump is doing is so long on so many Different Levels with respect to outreach which goes back to my point. I dont think this is about black people. This is about ginning up his base, which we know is a very angry, kau kay shows in the southwest, they feel no one speaking on their behalf. We have donald trump that stoked up the birther stuff. This is a game for donald trump and im not sure what the game is going to be. Maria, also missing from his surrogate list are people like suzanna martinez, a prominent woman latina governor, theyre not coming out for donald trump. You dont have marco rubio who said he would be honored to help donald trump become president , but hes not out there stumping for him. Ted cruz has not buried the hatchet. As weve heard, if those people come out and support donald trump, their names are from here on in tied to donald trump. Interestingly in terms of the disingenuousness of the Trump Campaign regarding that latino surrogates or Latino Advisory Council that people have now started to step down from, i have heard there were people on that list who were never told that their names were going to be released or made public. These were people that agreed to meet with donald trump and share ideas, and gnaw all of a sudden, without any knowledge from these people, the Trump Campaign is saying these are latino advisers. Its put them in a very difficult situation. Now, if they walk away, theyre drawing more attention. But the latino surrogates that we have heard from who have walked away have said, you know what . We feel like we were conned, like we were pawned. I want to get kat ton in on this. How much is the Republican Party being harmed by the Trump Campaign . Well see when we count the votes in november. The damage has been done. Joy, i spent some time real quickly looking at the carterreagan race and the gorebush 43 race, to see the numbers on labor day and what matters. Its not over yet. Theres a lot of damage being done. The difference is youve got two candidates, both about 60 of the population dont like them. Its really as odd as a hurricane coming through right now. Its very different, but not over yet. Theres a systemic problem with the Trump Organization which is lack of organization, his family is all intertwined, theyve never run political campaigns. On the third set of leadership. Youll see more mistakes, these debates will matter the latter part of the month. Phillip, just to round it out, Hillary Clinton is also overwhelmingly winning with voters of color. Its not even close, not even a contest. What is the threshold at which Donald Trumps ability to be elected at a National Level becomes almost impossible when it comes to looking particularly at latino voters . We know the africanamerican vote, that seems to be gone away. The polls are sort of mixed on the latino vote. Theres soimd case hes performing about as well as mitt romney did four years ago on a lot of the polls. Hes at the threshold. Hes lost education from College Educated whites, particularly women. The electorate in 2014 is as diverse as the lack tort in 2008 that elected barack obama. This year should be the most diverse electorate in american history. That is bad news. That means even if he did exactly the same as mitt romney, he would still lose, but in fact, doing worse with most of those groups. Interesting to see. We just need more polling that is directed to specifically latino voters, because those polls that we have are not zblesk they are a sample inside a larger poll, sometimes 100, 200 people. Thats a big challenge. We need more polling on diverse community. Maria heene hossa, thank you. Next, North Carolinas fight to suppress the vote is not over yet. 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Its happening everywhere from the ploun tans in apalacha all the way to the east coast because they are afraid of a diverse, wellinformed and large electorate. So what youre saying then is each local board of elections could say, well, were only going to open until 5 00 or we or only going to have one office, so theyre still gaming the system, youre saying. Theyre gaming the system, not meeting the spirit of what the courts have said. Remember the courts voted unanimously that this was intentional racedriven Voter Suppression. Donald trump, for instance, when he came to North Carolina actually said that the courts would now be opening up fraud. He refused to even acknowledge that this was illegal and unconstitutional. Now the state Republican Party is trying to continue to game the system. So we are putting in place 1,300 faith centers, 4,000 volunteers, calling on our lawyers to monitor. The plans that are not voted on unanimously at the local level have to come to the state board of election. And were petitions the state board of election not to allow the system to be gamed, to be used in a way that is racist, and it is unjust. This is a travesty for our governor and our legislature and local boards of election in the 21st century to continue to try this level of Voter Suppression. Its immoral. Ill let you finish, reverend, but i want the viewers to understand whats at stake here and what the Republican Party is up against and why the urgency seems to be existing. You have Hillary Clinton right now in a statistical tight with donald trump in the swing state that barack obama won in 08, lost narrowly in 12. Governor mccrory himself is in trouble. He is losing right now reelection. In your view, is this an attempt to essentially ensure the governors reelection . I think its a duality to it. When president obama won in 2008, if you remember, it was during the early voting, same day registration period. What happened in North Carolina and virginia and florida in the south showed the possibility of breaking through the solid south. Joy, ive said this time and time again. If you take away the ability of the extremist arm of the Republican Party to control 160 electoral votes thats what they control if they can get a solid south, a form arer confederate state, you fundamentally shift america, shift the electorate and politics in this country i. s about mccrorys election. Hes done so much to hurt so many people, black, poor, teachers and otherwise. But its also about trying to hold on to power, but do it in a way that undermines peoples right to vote. Its immoral. Its unconstitutional and were having to fight it with everything we can, because we already know in the south, if you register 30 of the unregistered africanamericans, if those persons connect on a policy vision with white people, particularly poor and working class white people and then connect with the latinos, the solid south is broken. The demographics in North Carolina, georgia and mississippi is broken, thats an electoral possibility in this country. Reverend dr. William barber, thank you so much for you do to fight this fight. Message from john roberts, history didnt end in 1955. No, sir, it did not, neither did attempts to suppress the vote. You have a great labor day. God bless you. Labor day weekend begins the final sprint to election day. The next big event will be the debate. Well take a closer look at how the candidates are getting ready. More a. M. Joy at the top of the hour. , woah youre not taking that. Come with me. Youre not taking that. Youre not taking that. 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Hes the unpredictable x factor. You have to prepared for different trumps. Well behaved, motdest trump, a trump that doesnt prepare for anything. Welcome back. To many people this holiday signals the end of the season of sunshine. Indeed winter is coming. So are the president ial debates. Yesterday the commission on president ial debates finished hammering out the details. Msnbcs own lester holt kicks it off in hempstead new york. Martha rad ditch and Anderson Cooper on october 9th. Chris wallace will host the final debate on october 19th. How does one prepare when one contender is as unpredictable and unprecedented as a white walker . This guy is a dont worry about it, little marquee. Lets hear about it big donald. This is a tough business, to run for president. I never attacked him on his look. Believe me, theres plenty of subject matter right there. Ive given my answer, lying ted. Relax. Youre relaxed. Go ahead. Dont get nervous. Go ahead. Wow, joining me now is democratic strategist careen john be air, david corn and msnbc political analyst rick tyler. A lot to work with here. Im going to go to you first. Ladies first, korean, corinne. This is going to the question im going to ask you is how you would prepare Hillary Clinton if you were advising her on how to handle this style, the interrupt style of donald trump. This is trump going after rubio. Youre the only person on this stage ever fined to hire people to work on your projects illegal. Im the only one on the stage thats hired people. You havent hired anybody. By the way, ive hired tens of thousands of people over my job. Youve hired nobody. A thousand people from another country. Credit cards, et cetera. Let me finish. Senator, hold on. He hired workers from poland and he had to pay a Million Dollars or so in a judgment. Thats wrong, wrong, totally wrong. Corinne, marco rubio has a substantive point. Donald trump did, in fact, hire these workers from poll land who basically tore down the old bon wit teller building. They didnt get paid, no hard hats, injured themselves. He couldnt even get it out of his mouth. How would Hillary Clinton handle that style from trump . Thats a really good question, joy. Ive sat in on many debate preps for president ial campaign, most recently in 2016. Whats going to need to happen here are mock debates. Thats going to be extremely important for her which is making sure that someone is standing next to her and throwing those insults out, like throwing the insults of whatever he thinks Hillary Clinton has done in the past and also those conspiracy theories he loves to go after. She has to be able to handle that and manage that. Mock debates here are going to be extremely important. Its practice, practice, practice. Shes a candidate of substance, as we all know, a masterful debater. Really is into the nuances of policy. Thats going to be key for her. He is the total opposite. He doesnt want to learn about substance as we saw that kind of back and forth there. But it is all going to be about practice, practice, practice, mock debates, getting someone who stands next to her and does exactly what we just saw which is just go after her, and she has to hold her cool because she has to still give the appearance of commanderinchief, having the temperament, being very president ial. So she has to really show that side of her. You know, that secretary of state side. David, the point karine just made, presenting Hillary Clinton as a good debater. She probably won more of the debates against barack obama than she lost. But does that in a way almost hurt her in the sense that the media is going to go in with the expectation that shes the better debater and have zero bar for donald trump, if he doesnt drool or fall down, theyll say he won the debate. We saw last week all he had to do was read a statement next to a mexican president and he was cited for being a great statesman. I think the expect takes is she knows how to handle these situations, and the question mark is all focused on donald trump. I do think she could be the muhammad ali of this fight. Can i explain why . Yes, please. Roper dope. When he was up against certain opponents, he learned to take the punches and wait for his moment to swing and let the other guy just flail about. I think thats the problem. In the republican debates, it was always a whirling dervish. Trump never had to talk for more than 20 seconds, always had another target to go at. Okay, here is 90 minutes, talk to us about housing policy, and he starts saying crooked hillary, crooked hillary. She can look at him and roll her eyebrows and say, come on, whats going on here, lets talk about real issues. She has to stay cooled and let him i think give him enough rope to hang himself. I want to go to rick tyler on this. I want to play another version of donald trump. That is true, that he can do the sort of whirling dervish style. But he also can do the lay in wait style and be somewhat effective at it. I want to play an exchange between donald trump and your former candidate ted cruz from one of the debates back on january 14. Take a look. I think most people know exactly what new york values are. I am from new york. Youre from new york, so you might not. But i promise you in the state of South Carolina, they do. He insulted a lot of people. Ive had more calls on that statement that ted made. When the World Trade Center came down, i saw something that no place on earth could have handled more beautifully, more humanely than new york. Rick, keeping in mind that he wont have an advantage on new york because he was a senator from new york, but do you think that donald trump has it in him to remain that calm for 90 full minutes . He really is going to have to, i think. This is the first time well see donald trump, as david said, and i think davids advice there is very good, donald trump should listen to it, in that her central argument is donald trump does not have the temperament to be president. I suspect Hillary Clinton will be trying to get Donald Trumps temperament to come out to prove her point. Her greatest argument is that she is competent to be president and others donald trump, his main argument was that shes dishonest. Hes going to want to make her look dishonest. Shes got to make him look like he doesnt have the temperament to be president. You noticed youve got to prepare for moments like that. The other one that was interesting, marco rubio walked right into that question. He should have known that the answer was going to be youve never hired anyone. He could have phrased it differently. He was prepared with that line. Being prepared with zingers is one of the dee keb bate strategies. I want to go to you, katon. Im doing it because i love you, man. Im going to make you advise Hillary Clinton, my republican strategist pal. I want to play for you a 2008 debate moment that probably the obama prep team thought was a good idea that turned out not to be such a great zinger. Take a look. Hes very likable. I agree with that. I dont think im that the bad. Youre likable enough. Thank you so much. Katon, what that shows, you saw Hillary Clintons reaction there. She has an ability to charm. I think people see her doing big speeches and shes not very good at it. In those more intimate settings, she can call the charm card and shes a woman. Debating a woman not necessarily that easy. Give Hillary Clinton some advice, are there place wheres she can inject a little charm and is it going to be hard for donald trump to go after her because, again, youre debating a woman . As rick and i both know, donald trump, when they were saying he won the republican debates, that was in the middle of an awful lot of chaos and confusion, and the campaign kept saying how in the hell do they think he won that debate . Moving to a Hillary Clinton, trained lawyer, first lady, secretary of state, senator, whole different ball game. Donald trump has everything to lose, and Hillary Clinton has everything to gain here. If she can show her personality, people that know her personally think shes very funny, witty, amusing, shes got a bad negative to get over, and people want to like somebody theyre voting for. My advice to her, shes got to be likable. She can defend herself and talk about policies. Donald trump is going to try to make her very unlikable, a mean entitled person and corrupt. Shell get by that and see what happens. Donald trump has a bridge too far to go right now. I read this morning that his debate prep is minimal, that hes not using a surrogate to stand in. So well see. But donald trump has got to perform. He doesnt have any error space in there. David, were you trying to get in . There may be an interesting moment here. If he tries to treat her differently than he does on the campaign, she can call him out on this. Can he really get in a debate and call her crooked hillary for 90 minutes. The way hes talked about her, locking her up, deporting her, putting her in jail and calling her these names over and over again. He has a strategic choice, how do you stick with that or not do that and look like hes a wimp . Ill give karine the last word. We talked about the woman card. Its a reality of the performance part of debates. Is there a positive, a negative . How do you round up, just as a last word, karine, how the woman factor plays for hillary. Is it a fair question . I think because its donald trump, i dont think it matters. As weve seen over and over again, he doesnt care. I know david was talking about maybe he can switch it up and not do what he does on the campaign. He doesnt know how to pivot. He does these faux pivots and waurks right back into the 360 he does all the time. I dont think it matters. I think its a hatred against the clintons, the Conspiracy Theory he continues to sling out there as red meat to his base. Its not going to matter at all. Its going to be interesting. I am waiting to see which one of the candidates uses the clintons at the wedding card, whether it will be donald trump trying to use it against her or her saying, you know, i was good enough to invite to your nuptials. Thats a good line. It will be interesting. Now steal that line clinton campaign. Well be back. Thank you very much. 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The Santa Clara Police department is may not work the games. Trims the rosters to 53 players could give the 4ers an excuse. On thursday where military members were honored, kaepernick kneeling during the National Anthem. His teammate eric reid joined him. Dave, thank you for being here. You have a piece out right now entitled Colin Kaepernicks protest has nothing to do with the military. Explain. Well, this has been spun by all the legions of people attempting to bash Colin Kaepernick to say hes doing this to somehow disrespect the military. What ive been struck by is how clear Colin Kaepernick is w, fr day one he said this is about police violence, about the issue of police brutality, about the fact that we dont have a system of Police Accountability in this country. When you can spin it to be about the military, what that allows you to do is call Colin Kaepernick unpatriotic which is horrifically ironic since hes exercising his right to dissent. It speaks to the utter hypocrisy about how some people view these kinds of issues. I cant help listening to your last segment where others remarked. The idea its okay for donald trump to go across the country bashing the United States amend for kaepernick to say we have a problem with Police Accountability where donald trump geltz to say effect tifrly, go back to africa. He said find yourself another country to live in then. It says something about who has the right to have dissent in this country. What Colin Kaepernick has done, hes exposed so many of the hypocrisies that underline how we view free speech and dissent and how we view who is allowed to speak out in this country. The fact that the police, for goodness sakes, are threatening to not provide security for games basically saying as a government body that they plan, they are organizing themselves to infringe on Colin KaepernicksFirst Amendment rights and doing so by really the threat of their guns, saying we will not bring our guns. We are exercising our Second Amendment rights to prevent you from exercising your First Amendment rights, that to me gives the game away. Im sorry. Being a police officer, thats supposed to be about public service, not about threatening people who say things that you disagree with. And police are the government. Police are the government. Police are the government. You have to say it almost every day as a mantra. They the government. They are exercising their Second Amendment rights, but under color of law. The people who do seem to get it, interestingly enough, are members of the military. Not only did you have a veterans letter supporting Colin Kaepernick signed by more 30 veterans where they said as military veterans we write to express our support for tradition of advocacy by athletes as embodied by Jackie Robinson and carried on by kaepernick. You also have this. Theres a guy named nate boyer, a green beret. Before thursdays game this is a pretty powerful statement. Lets take a listen. People are going to be offended, and thats okay. I also have fought for that right. It was a snapshot of where were at as a country right now. Colin is a sensitive guy. He cares about these issues deeply and he wants to see change. He really does. Its not a stunt. A lot of people would question about what the National Anthem instance has to do with football its an interesting juxtaposition to have that taking place at a sporting event. But military people seem to get it. Thats honestly because a lot of military people have to deal with the reality of fighting overseas and then coming back to a country that isnt fulfilling their end of the bargain. One of the things Colin Kaepernick has spoken specifically about is the issue of military veterans who have been victims of police violence. Walter scott, a veteran killed on camera by police officers, Colin Kaepernick has specifically said and been very, very cleerk about the fact that not only does this not have to do with military veterans, this has to do with the gap between what were saying our flag, what this anthem means and the reality of oppression that does exist in this country. This is a very straightforward statement, and the idea that his career could be threatened for it is really stunning to me, although i tell you something, if the San Francisco 49ers cut Colin Kaepernick, they are facing one hell of a backlash. More people in the nfl are standing up for him. More teammates are stand up for him. Hell, a member of the seattle seahawks, the rival teams of the 49ers, jeremy lane took a knee in sol dart with Colin Kaepernick. Thats why the nfl is stepping gingerly around this issue saying, hey, this is the 49ers team policy, were taking a handsoff approach. The nfl has zero black ownership and makes billions off the destruction of black bodies, 60 black. They could be opening up one hell of a can of worms. Your last comment on this idea, to end where we began, of police essentially wrapping themselves in the military mantra when they are not, in fact, military. How does that strike you, that you have this police union essentially wrapping themselves in the military themselves . Very upsetting. Once again, ill quote Colin Kaepernick who said we have a problem when in some states it takes more training to be a cosmetologist, to use a curling iron than a police officer. Colin kaepernick is risking the backlash and that is an example of what courage means and exercising your constitutional right to dissent. Absolutely. Dave zirin, youre terrific. Always a pleasure to talk to you. Have a great labor day weekend. And so much more after the break. Its easy to love your laxative. When that lax loves your body back. Only miralax hydrates, eases, and softens to unblock naturally. So you have peace of mind from start to finish. Love your laxative. Miralax. Burning, pinsandneedles of beforediabetic nerve pain, these feet played shortstop in high school, learned the horn from my dad and played gigs from new york to miami. But i couldnt bear my diabetic nerve pain any longer. So i talked to my doctor and he prescribed lyrica. Nerve damage from diabetes causes diabetic nerve pain. Lyrica is fda approved to treat this pain, from moderate to even severe diabetic nerve pain. Lyrica may cause serious allergic reactions or suicidal thoughts or actions. 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What do you make of what were seeing today. Is this an optic that can help donald trump in his campaign . No, joy, not at all. First of all, hes in michigan which mitt romney lost by 11 points back in 2012. Why hes there at least for strategic going, getting to that 270 makes no sense. Hes not reaching out to africanamerican voters. He lost africanamerican voters back in 2011 when he decided he was going to become the grand wizard of the Birther Movement. Birtherism is inherently racist. Not only did he insulted the office of the presidency, but also insulted the first black president. This is not about africanamericans at all. Katon, youre a man of the south, so youre very familiar with the black church as a core component of democratic campaigns even though you are, yourself, in the gop. You know this is what a lot of candidates do. They go into africanamerican churches, talk to pastors. They know that get out the vote efforts are very important in reaching africanamericans. However, with republicans its a little fraught, right . Theres a different recent history, at least in the last 50 years and is vaulting over things like the naacp, vaulting over the urban league and sitting in the front pew of a church, having bypassed everything else. Is that something you would advise a republican candidate to do . Ill tell you, having been a Republican Party chairman in the deep south, the most welcomed place i ever was was at an africanamerican evangelical church. Not that i left with any voters, but i left with some friends. Lets see what donald trump talks about the issues here. I understand why hes going, i understand part of his message which is jobs. Lets see if he wants to touch the pro life issue. Thats the one they have in common with the Republican Party. I think the message donald trump probably needs to deliver over the groups is jobs. Better jobs, available jobs. Thats the message that he has that can win a few votes. But lets see what he does on the pro life sector. Thats something we have in common with africanamerican evangelicals. I doubt he does, but ill be curious to see what he does. As far as jumping over the others, the church is the fabric you know were seeing democratic here. I got it. I got it. At the end of the day, he is not going to walk out with a lot of votes. And what they are looking at is the 43 of the electorate classified as independents. Thats what everybody from labor day forward is going to start looking at, persuadable votes. Donald trump has got to be likable and this is maybe a part of that new theory and the new Management Team hes put together. David corn is now joining us as well. David, ill ask you, the think that might have been the most surprising about the donald Trump Campaign and the way its worked out, despite his own personal history in terms of racial issues and birtherism that karine brought up, what surprises me is he doesnt stick with the message he started with, things like trade and jobs. Thats sort of what he came in with as a potential strength. It could have made him a crossover candidate. Here he is in michigan. But the message weve heard so far in his previews to this appearance today were still about crime, about portraying the black community as dangerous and portraying himself as the great white hope that will save black people from each other. Did it surprise you as somebody who has observed the Trump Campaign for the last year that his message veered off of things like trade that maybe could have helped him in michigan . I think he got sucked into the black hole of immigration and the altright. Since then talking about trade issues and job issues. Theyre close and theres a strong overlap between the economic resentment that those issues address amongst some blue dollar, low income white voters out there. It seemed to me the anger that we saw last week in the immigration speech was really the secret sauce that held everything together, at least got him animated. When he talked about trade talking about jobs, he had less to say about what he would actually do other than a better job, and i will give you jobs, than immigration issue, where you talk about the wall. The wall is the only policy issue that he seems to care about and has spent at least a couple minutes thinking about the details of. So thats why he goes back to that time and time again. Karine, if the strategy was to pivot with a conversation with black voters that would involve black churches, he has a vocal supporter who has a decent black church in cleveland, in a state where he has to your point earlier a much better shot in ohio than he possibly is going to have in michigan. Republicans arent going to win michigan. Does it surprise you he didnt take advantage, lets say, of maybe going to his pastor friend in clevelands church earlier in the campaign, or melissa who is an ordained minister, just playing the church crowd now, is the location weird or the timing . I think the whole thing is weird. There is no strategy. Once again, the Trump Campaign proves to us they dont have the strategy. Going to the africanamerican vote that hes really not outreaching to, hes polling zero to 2 with that community. There are technically four president ial candidates in this race and hes placed fourth when it comes to the Africanamerican Community. He does character assassination in front of a all white crowd about the community. This is not about us at all. Maybe they do have some sort of strategy. What this is about is their base, right . Keep throwing that red meat to their base, and also theyre hemorrhaging with suburban educated white voters who do not want to volt for a racist. It has nothing to do about us at all. Very quickly before i go, we have a correspond we want to go to in a moment. Karine, having worked on the obama campaign, had you heard of impact network, is this a gospel related network that this bishop works with that will reach a substantial number of black voters . I have to say i havent heard of the network. That doesnt really mean that it doesnt have some sort of play in this state, but i have not heard of it. Just curious. Lets bring in nbcs jacob rascon right outside the church in detroit. Jacob, i want to get a sense from you what the atmosphere and mood is outside. Also, if you saw donald trump enter the church, what the mood and atmosphere was like when that happened . Reporter joy, i do hear you. We have a few dozen protesters out here, not happy that donald trump is in their neighborhood, they say. If you look around youll look around and hear signs, what do you want . We want trump to go. This has been going on for an hour or so. At first it was a little bit tense. When they showed up, they tried to actually enter the church area, the gates over here. They were stopped by police. The horses got in the way. It was intense for a moment. Since then theyve been marching around in circles. Over here you have the actual kwch, and people were entering from several hours ago, some who didnt have tickets were turned away. You asked about trump arriving. That happened down the street over here. They blocked it off for a while, for 45 minutes or so. So nobody was allowed over there except for our cameras from pretty far away. He arrived with little fanfare. He did a wave and walked in. I understand now hes inside, sitting down next to ben carson. Theres some praying and other things. Here is whats outside . Ill point out, joy, they love this. What do you have to lose . We hear it everywhere we go. They love he said that because they have the perfect answer. They say everything. Absolutely. If you talk to individual protesters out there to tell you what specifically about Donald Trumps message has upset them. Is there a thing people have zeroed in on that theyre angry about . Reporter yes. Its interesting, a few protesters say they give trump credit for showing up. One said, and i asked, does it mean anything that he actually came here. They said, yeah, i give trump an a for showing up. If he says something inside about any specific ideas, id give him another a, but im in the going to vote for him, he says. When you ask why not trump, weve heard hes racist, he doesnt support the Africanamerican Community. Really i havent heard specifics there. Ill also add, joy, i talked to the mayor of detroit earlier today. He was here holding a press conference to say, trump, we hope youll come with specifics because we dont like what were hearing so far. I asked the mayor if he would be willing to listen if trump did have specifics. He said, yes, i hope he has something specific to say but i dont expect it. From what weve heard from tr p trump, i dont expect anything but a fet toe opinion. Joy. Nbcs jacob rascon outside the great Faith Ministries in detroit. Thank you. Back with me is karine, katon and david. You hopefully could hear what jacob was saying, people were giving trump credit for showing up, that being there is half the battle. Then on the other side of it, you heard people characterizing donald trump as racist. That is the impression of at least some africanamericans going in. Is there anything a candidate can do to change that if that is what people think of them. Thats the gamble donald trump is playing into. Donald trump is going to leave there feeling really good. These are audiences inside that church that are very friendly, kind and caring people. That doesnt mean theyre going to vote for him. What i did see outside that report was a couple hundred people in a very well organized Hillary Clinton effort. Those signs didnt get made by the people. They got made this morning or yesterday by clinton staffers. I applaud that. Thats the difference in these two campaigns, donald trump doesnt have the infrastructure out there to combat this type stuff. I applaud him for going into the church. It doesnt matter what city its in. Its going to be reported its in detroit riechlt now this is a national campaign, so its going to be reported all over the country of what he says, what he does and how he conducts himself. Hell get some kudos. Like the person said, they give him an a for coming. The news will report on the protest outside. Thats clintons apparatus, their their m. O. And theyre good at it. I applaud their campaign. Lets see if donald trump says anything. Lets go to karine, our strategist on the other side. Everything that happens usually has a strategic element to it, where a candidate goes, what congregations that choose to get in front of, the state they choose to be in. It doesnt feel like theres anything strategic happening on the trump side. He could have done this in a state that was in more convention, he could have done it much earlier in the campaign. Optically from his point of view, all he gets out of it is the credit for showing up. Who does that help him with . If it doesnt held him with black voters, who does it help him with . Like i said before, joy, there are these anti trump voters who should be with the republican in the republican win column, that he is just losing, losing because of the type of campaign that he ran for the past 14 months. Thats who he is talking to. The problem that trump has is, if hes seriously thinking about winning this election is those anti trump voters which is the white, educated, suburban voters, if they decide not to come out to vote, then thats a problem for him. Thats who hes talking to. Their Campaign Must have realized this. This is what this is all about. Has nothing to do with detroit, nothing to do with the state of michigan, nothing to do with this congregation, unfortunately. Theyre just being used for a photo op, being politicized and that is whats happening. Maybe hell get an a for effort and will have the photo op that he needs with that base, but thats all thats going to happen. I can definitely see, david, these images of donald trump on the front pew, greeting parishioners inside this church being replayed over and over and over again to prove, look at that, the black people love trump. He does risk looking like a tourist in his own country. Theres a downside to it potentially. Anyone who sees him that way is already against him. I think karines point cannot be emphasized enough. This election will be determined i think in large measure on election day, when you have suburban republican or moderate voters. Theyre going to wake up and make a decision. What trump and the republicans want is for them to say, oh, hes not that bad. What hillary wants is to say this guy is a crazy nan, erratic and a racist, as speaker ryan called him at one point. Everything trump is doing here is not to get a single more additional black vote. Its so people, those republicans, those moderates say, well, he aint that bad, i think i can vote for him. Hes trying to undo years of racist behavior going back to the birther stuff which youve already noted. We talked earlier, for the viewers there, earlier about surrogates and the lack of high level surrogates that donald trump has been able to attract. We should note Darrell Scott who is a pastor supportive of donald trump for a very long time is standing next to trump when there was a zoomedin shot, you can see hes standing next to him. Bishop wayne t. Jackson is the minister that is the pastor of this particular church where donald trump is. Hes also got ben carson with him. Hes supposed to tour a neighborhood in the area. Ben carson, of course, is a native of detroit, grew up in detroit. Karine, i wonder if one of the things the Trump Campaign wants out of this are more surrogates, people who are in the church i presume if the pastor is a conservative, he may have parishioners that might come out and vouch for how it went, hunt for more people to speak up for him. Is there also a risk that people come out and Say Something different . Absolutely, because its not controlled. This is just a kind of fly by night kind of decision they made because they were getting the pressure of, hey, youre talking to all white audiences and character assassinating the Africanamerican Community. This is what this is all about. He got pushed, he got the pressure, so he ended up at this church today. Like you were alluding to, joy, this could backfire. Bishop wayne t. Jackson is speaking i think. Lets see if we can hear a little bit of whats being said. Now, a little different than that Presbyterian Church where you were raised. I want to say this. Mr. Trump and his investigation of wanting to go in fellowship with africanamericans, he asked around the country where he should go. They said, well, impact has the reach and also Bishop Jackson is fair. Im going to be able to sit down with africanamerican not only here, but all over this country. This country must be united, united. Originally it was stated that mr. Trump would not have any words to say but a greeting. But mr. Trump came prepared to say a greeting and a few words that he wants to say, coming to detroit. He feels like it is important that he just dont sit down. That he wants to come and just say a few words, and we said to him, i want all the press and everybody to know, it was not scheduled. He was going to come down and sit down and have service after the interview and then he has to go and do other business in the city of detroit. Since mr. Trump wants to say a sfu words, were going to allow him can we bring the podium out, please, while youre sitting there . Mr. Trump, will you come and would you stand would you stand mr. Trump again. Thank you, thank you very much. Thank you. Thats so nice. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Thats so nice. Bishop jackson, i want to thank you and dr. Jackson, and you have some voice, i have to sayment incredible, and some spirit, some spirit. True. Talent. Thank you. Well, i just wrote this the other day knowing id be here, and i mean it from the heart, and id like to just read it, and i think youll understand it maybe better than i do in certain ways. For centuries the africanamerican church has been the conscience of our country. So true. Its from the pews and pulpits and christian teachings of black churches all across this land that the Civil Rights Movement lifted up its soul and lifted up the soul of our nation. Its from these pews that our nation has been inspired toward a better moral character, a deeper concern for mankind and spirit of charity and unity that binds us all together. And we are bound together, and i see that today. This has been an amazing day for me. The africanamerican Faith Community has been one of gods greatest gifts to america and to its people. There is perhaps no action our leaders can take that would do more to heal our country, and support our people than to provide a greater platform to the black churches and churchgoers. You do right every day by your community and your families. You raise children in the light of god. I will always support your church, always, and defend your right to worship. So important. I am here today to listen to your message, and i hope my presence here will also help your voice to reach new audiences in our country, and many of these audiences desperately need your spirit and your thought. I can tell you that. Christian faith is not the past, but the present and the future. Make it stronger. Make it stronger. And well open it up to great, great leaders like pastor jackson, Bishop Jackson, dr. Jackson, and so many others and so many others actually sitting here, Darrell Scott who is phenomenal who has been with me for so long, so long. Omerosa who is actually a very nice person, but i dont want to say that, because ill destroy her image by saying that. Shes actually a very, very fine person and a pastor. I just want to thank all the folks, and there is somebody that has been very special to me, dr. Ben carson stand up, ben. Come here, ben. This is a great man and a great guy. So as i prepare to campaign all across the nation and in every community, i will have an opportunity to lay out my plans for economic change which will be so good tore detroit and so good for this community because were going to bring jobs back. I will have a chance chance, th you. Bringing them back. Taking them back from mexico and everywhere else because theyre gone. A great education, a great job, but today, i want to let you know that i am here to listen to you and ive been doing that. We had a fantastic interview with Bishop Jackson. It was really an amazing interview. Hes better than the people that do that professionally. I will tell you. Its true. Its true. Hes better. And i didnt really know what i was getting myself into. I didnt know. Is this going to be nice . Wild . He is a great gentlemen and a very smart guy. Just hope you dont lose him to hollywood. Thats the only problem and especially, and especially dr. Jackson. She may be gone. Hollywood is calling. Look at all, look at all those Television Cameras back there. No, look at all the Television Cameras. Im sorry to do that to you, bishop, because youp, one of those things, right . Our nation is too divided. We talk past each other. Not to each other. And those who seek office do not do enough to step into the community and learn what is going on. They dont know. They have no clue. Im here today to learn so we can together remedy injustice. In any form and so we can remedy economics. So that the africanamerican america can benefit economically and so many other different ways. Our political system has failed the people and works only to enrich itself. I want to reform that system. So that it works p for you. Everybody in this room. I believe true reform can only come from outside the system. I really mean that. Being a business man is much different because i understand whats happening. And we are going outside of the establishment. Becoming the nominee of the party of lincoln, the great abrahamlingen, was republican. Has been the greatest honor of my life. It is on his legacy that i hope to build the future of the party, but more important, the future of the country and the community. I believe we need a civil rights agenda, one that assumes the rights to a great education. So important and the right to live in sift and in peace and to have a really, really great job, a great paying job and one you love to go to every morning and that can happen. Need to bring our Companies Back it also means the right to have a government that protects our workers and fights, really fights, for our jobs. I want to help you build and rebuild and we can do that with people like bishop and doctor jackson. Its been an amazing experience. Nothing is more sad than when we sideline young black men with unfulfilled potential. Tremendous potential. And i met some people this morning that were increde bable people and theyre looking for jobs. These wrynn incredible people. Able to harn esz the brilliance the energy of these folks. One nation and when anyone hu s hurts, we all hurt together and thats so true. Were all brothers and sisters. Were all created by the same god. We must love each other and support each other. And we are in this all together. All together. I fully understand that the Africanamerican Community has suffered from discrimination. And that there are many wrongs that must still be made right. They will be made right. I want to make america prosperous for everyone. I want to make this city the economic envy of the world. We can do that. We can do that again. Factories everywhere, new roads and bridges, new schools. Especially schools. And new hope. I have been so greatly blessed and in so many ways, with no greater blessing than my family. Had a great family. Nothing would make me happier and more fulfilled than to use what i have learn ed in busines and in traveling all over the world, sort of ciaran a lot. The to bring the wealth and prosper fi and opportunity to those who have not had these opportunities before. Thats many, many people in detroit. When i see wages falling, people out of work, i know the hardships this inflicts and i am determined to do something about it. I will do something about it. I do get things done. I will tell you. Some people have strengths. Thats one of mine. I get things done. Im going get things done for you. Please know this, for any who are hurting, things are going to turn around. Tomorrow will be better. Much better. The pastor and i were talking about riding up the street and we see all those closed stores. People sitting down on the sidewalk. And no jobs and no activity. Well get it turned around. Well get it turned around, pastor. Believe me. Were going to win again as a country. And were going to win again for all of our people. I want to work with you to renew the bonds of trust between citizens and the bonds of faith that make our nation strong. Americas been lifted out of difficult hours and through the miracle of faith and through people like Bishop Jackson and dr. Jackson. So important. People have no idea how important they are. Now in these hard times for our country, let us turn again to our christian heritage to lift up the soul of her nation. I am so deeply grateful to be here today. And it is my prayer that america of tomorrow and i mean that, that the america of term will be one of unity, togetherness and peace. And perhaps we can add the word prosperi prosperity. Prosperity. Id like to conclude with a passage from 1 john chapter 4. You know it. See, most groups i speak to dont know that. But we know it. If you want, we can say it together. No one has ever seen god. But if we love one another, god lives in us and his love is made complete in us. Thats so true. Thank you very much. This has been such an honor. Thank you very much. Bishop, thank you, sir. Thank you. What a speech at the, donald trump, he just gave essentially a speech at the church in michigan. Reverend barber, your reaction. Its interesting that donald trump would end with this conversation about love from 1 john, but walk right over for instance what jesus said about when you love the truth position is to care for the poor. The least of these, the broken, the sick and those who have been made to feel unaccepted. Hes run a campaign basically saying that latinos are not welcome in this country. Hes tried to pit latinos against africanamericans. Pit gay people against the muslim community. Regards of what he said at that podium, hes said he would repeal obama care, which would take 220 million Peoples Health insurance, 3 million of them are africanamericans and there would be thousands more if gop governments throughout the south, particularly had not blockeded medicaid expansion. He also said that if you go back and listen to what he said, he said one time, the minimum wage was already too high. Which means he does not endorse raising the minimum wage to a living wage. We know that 54 of africanamericans make less than the living wage and so, over and over again, he came to us today, he said we should right wrong, but he came to our state and endorsed the wrong and that is when the court said that our government and ledge legislature have engaged in racism. He said what the courts had done would increase voter fraud. He said the party of lincoln, that is not the truth because their opposites since 1968, weve been the party of more strong dixie. So, to say one thing on the podium sand to do a different thing in Public Policy is tremendously hypocritical. Thank you very much. We appreciate that response. Im going to go quickly to mark thompson. Your brief thoughts, mark. Well, this is the definition of pandering. If no one has ever seen pandering, weve heard the word a lot. This is the definition of it. He offereded nothing concrete that he would do for the Africanamerican Community and in love lives within u why is he still associated with the likes of bannan and roger stone and alex jones. Of these people in the alt right. Why would he stand behind the africanamerican congregation and renounce the