0 >> good morning everybody. it is 8:00, you are very welcome to join us here on the breakfast show on sky news. nearly five weeks, five weeks since the war in ukraine! and russian forces say they are scaling back their offensive around the capital of kyiv. but a warning from the u.s., and in the uk, not to take that promise at face value. the deputy prime minister tells us he doesn't trust putin's war machine. we will bring you an extraordinary interview with our own stewart ramsey. he will be speaking to us for the first time about that moment. remember when he and his team came under gunfire attack reporting the war in ukraine. we are very lucky to still have been with us. plus the maternity scandal that left hundreds of babies dead or brain damage the findings that were reported this morning. we'll talk to the health secretary. it is wednesday of course, -- repositioning not withdraw of new pictures of merch of the besieged city of mariupol. the government reacts to russia's latest movements. >> we charge the russian military machine spice actions, not just its words. there is obviously skepticism that it will regroup to attack again. >> the worst maternity scandal in nhs history. a major report will reveal the true scale of failings at a hospital trust where hundreds of babies died, or were left brain damaged. >> nobody should have to leave the hospital without their baby, knowing it was avoidable, the pain is indescribable -- >> indeed they are getting safer. that is indeed the -- remembering the spin -- will come together to pay tribute to the cricket legend shane warne at his stadium. >> -- able to join -- farewell. >> laser focused from egypt says players faced abuse as -- penalty miss says miss out on the world cup. >> what is it? tell us who you are. what is wrong with me? >> it is a sin. leading the tv baftas with 11 nominations. also coming up on the program for you this morning, wherever you are watching us around the world, we will speak to our chief correspondent stewart ramsey to hear from him for the first time since he and his team have come under fire close to kyiv as well as ambassador to the uk. >> you have north already here jackie weaver north already all -- >> schiff kept him out! >> i'm afraid the investigation into what happened doesn't agree is one of the viral moments of the pandemic which she did not have the authority to virtually object counselors. we are talking to her shortly. hi everyone, a very good morning. nearly five weeks into the russian invasion of ukraine, and vladimir importance forces have promised to significantly scale back military activity around the capital kyiv following peace talks in turkey. the deputy prime minister -- telling us this morning we need to treat clemson putin's war machine with a degree of skepticism. the ukrainian president says he is also skeptical and can't trust the latest promise from russia. and in the last hour on the program, the deputy pm agreed. let's have a key look at the developments you are waking up to this morning. then we will hear from -- uk and u.s. intelligence says that moscow has started scaling back troops from the ukrainian capital of kyiv. but only, so that they can intensify and offensive in other parts of the country. it comes after peace talks between the two countries inestimable yesterday. ukrainian president volodymyr zelenskyy called them, positive. but, the ministry of defense says russia is starting to deploy whacked or mercenaries to reinforce its assault on eastern ukraine as desperation grows on the kremlin. well in the last hour i spoke to dominic y who said the government would not put faith in russian claims it is moving ships away from parts of ukraine -- 's >> russian military actions by its actions, not just as waves. there's also skepticism it will regroup to attack again rather than seriously engage in the pharmacy or anything of that nature of course the door to diplomacy will all be lee wagner left the job but i don't think you can trust what's coming out of the mouth of putin's war machine. >> well the latest satellite images of ukraine showed thousands of people queuing outside of a grocery store in the besieged city of mariupol. the port city in the southeast of the country has become a focal point for russian aggression, which has left its citizens sheltering without much food or water due to the constant threat of shelling. similarly, thousands have also been fleeing the northern city -- of that has been devastated by russian forces. despite moscow's promise to scale back military operations in the country, the president zelenskyy has urged his citizens to exercise caution amid the still existing threat of shelling. >> we can call the signals we hear from the negotiating platform positive, but the signals do not shown out the blows of russian shells. of course, we see all the risks. of course, we see no reason to trust the words of certain representatives of a state that continues to fight for our destruction. ukrainians are not naive people. ukrainians have already learned both during this 34 days of invasion, and over the past eight years of the war in donbas. it is only a concrete result that can be trusted. >> has there been some movement? by some russian units away from kyiv in the last day or so? yes. we think. so small numbers. but we believe that this is a repositioning, not a real withdraw. we should all be prepared to watch for a major offensive against other areas of ukraine. it does not mean that the threat to kyiv is over. >> well, alistair has the latest on this for us. >> the announcement just after talks finished by the russian deputy defense minister yesterday that russian forces would withdraw from the positions around kyiv took everyone by surprise. not potentially a very good thing, they say it is to build trust with ukrainians and further peace talks now i think the question is is that the genuine concession, or is it a move out of strategic necessity? by, that i mean that russian forces have failed to encircle the capital. they have failed to get forces anywhere close to the center of it. and it is unthinkable that they could even take the capital that was one of their main objectives so in reality, they would have had to pull back, rethink anyways. maybe that is what they are doing. that is why there is great skepticism with the ukrainians, and the rest of the world. we have seen it from the americans well. about this gesture, whether it is genuine or not. we will only know when we see it whether or not russia does withdraw its forces with large numbers. having said all that, and sounding less pessimistic there is a genuine know of optimism out of these talks there is a feeling that the concessions are being made on both sides that the palace and -- as for whether or not presidents ellen ski and putin are close to meeting in person as the turks have suggested, i'm not sure that we are there yet. there is a lot of work left to be done, i think the two sides still disagree on too much, but i think the gap possibly is coming closer. >> -- i don't nhs hospital trust where hundreds of babies died or left brain damaged will be revealed this morning, a major review into the feelings of i -- tell for it is expected to blame the culture that favorite natural births and repeatedly failed to monitor babies properly. we will have that report around 10:00. becky standing force insurers berry this morning. hello to you becky, it is a very stressful time when you are pregnant you go in, you are scared, you put your hands in the baby's life, in the hands of a professional, and you expect to come out with your baby. >> indeed. and the families who lost babies -- antitrust trust have waited a very long time for this report because they have always believed that their babies should not have died. it is because of their persistence because they both wanted their voices heard that we will hear the full details of the scandal. we know that this was a trust that favored natural birth overseas areas. we know that in some cases they blamed mothers for their own maybe's death. this report will reveal the full scale of his scandal, a tragedy that over two decades have affective so many families. >> across -- there are children mishitting. >> it is just that. you should be enjoying the strength and slide with your child. >> haley's son jack would be seven might now, but he only lived for 11 hours. >> when he was in intensive care i was able to hold his hand, so when i stroke his handprint, i feel like he is still holding his hand. he died due to fatal errors. >> i'm angry more than anything because i know if i had a caesarean it would be a play on the part today. that is what gets you so angry and upset. >> jack is one of hundreds of babies who died or left brain time inched, an independent report will reveal the full scale of the scandal, after parents fought for the truth. for many years they have been demanding to know why so many babies died. what was going on inside these hospitals. how was it allowed to happen. the report has examined serious failings over two decades at this nhs trust. there is always going to be -- a hole in my heart, in our lives, and that can't change. it is painful. >> midwives didn't listen to staff until it was too late. >> the cause of their death was the lack of oxygen and that would not have happened if they didn't come to me as soon as i arrived. >> she is determined it must never happen again. >> nobody should have to leave that hospital without their baby. knowing it was avoidable, the pain is indescribable. >> the hospital trust say they take full responsibility. change will come too late for so many families. >> i think it just can't be overemphasized that everything that we will hear today, and we do expect this report to be very damning is only coming to light because of the families are refusing to believe that their babies had to die. they were told, some of these families, by doctors that baby's death where their own false. they were told that they should go home, get pregnant again, they would get over it. these families are still devastated by what has happened to them and they believe the legacy for their babies will be improvements in the maternity care, not just at the -- health trust but maternity care across the whole of england. said to me that this needs to be a watershed moment for maternity care, and says it should never be left to fray families to fight for the truth like this again. >> thank, you 10:00 this morning as when we are going to hear more about the -- report. that is the name of the report into the deaths of so many babies. -- we're left with permanent brain damage. we will get more on that for you. hard to imagine, if you give an extra hard this morning. in the last hour i spoke to the chair of the house select committee and while he said the majority of birth now are perfectly safe, today's report will be hard for many people to read. >> i think it is going to be a very sobering report. i commission this report back in 2016 when two families came to see, me and they were worried about the circumstances surrounding the deaths of their children. and there mushrooms and having 23 families and it up looking at nearly two dozen cases. the nhs will to save the birth of nearly 6000 babies every year. the vast majority are totally safer and i think today's report is going to be very sobering read. >> well, he is with us now, kindly imagine how these parents and there was a culture of telling them that there was nothing that could have been done and potentially go home and try to get pregnant again. when are we going to stop this? >> well i really hope that today's report marks the report and gives justice to the families you had to campaign to get heat review in the first place, which i think they have never been put in that position. we have been talking to the team and not expecting -- -- by the end of this journey of campaigning for justice that they feel was some vindication and also some assurance that this is not going to happen to women in the future. i think on some -- the only real comfort we can provide to these families now is to say that the truth has come out, lessons will generally be learned, and there will be a turning point. >> -- >> well, i haven't seen the recommendations, in fact i think she is going to be setting these things out as must do, is not recommendations. -- political divide act -- health secretary will expect the findings in full, and we will hold on to it. i hope this will be a moment of consensus in the house of commons -- but there will be some consensus on this. the thing that does worry me about this in particular is the shortage of nhs staff right across the board. it is particularly acute maternity services and even last year we had hundreds of cases where women were turned away from maternity and it's because there were not staff there to receive them. so, this report does look at historic failures dating back 20 years, and across successive governments being able to acknowledge that. it is not just about -- but there are real challenges today and i think we have to face up to those. every expecting mother in this country cannot have the confidence and certainty of knowing that when she gets worse she will be in defense. >> as you point out, you know, historically the government was not without guilt, we saw what happened with the -- scandal and it all comes down to the fact that parents, and patients are complaining and politicians are not listening to them. do you expect that politicians in the past have not always listen to people when they have had heartfelt conditions. >> it is not just politicians, i think the nhs has to learn lessons as well. some of the testimony we have been hearing from the grieving moms this morning about their experiences of asking questions, raising concerns, asking for caesarean sections, being denied. i think there is a lesson here about being listening to patients. of course when we put ourselves in the hands of clinicians, we respect their clinical expertise and judgment. we also know our own bodies, nothing sense home the -- listening to patients in the way that needs to happen. there is a cultural change that is needed as well as the investment in the staff, the -- high quality and accessible services not just on maternity but challenges in the nhs right now. >> given that you have spoken to the reports author, how confident are you that what happened assures worry would never happen again. >> well, if we listen, and we act, i think will be as confident as we can be. i think that is the responsibility on the government today. it will be a cross party responsibility as well and i can commit to those recommendations, those must do's as i'm sure -- will be holding into account as the opposition but will also be taken on board our next general election where we hope we will be in government. >> will you be testing if you have covid symptoms? >> yes i think people should. to be honest -- >> one if they can afford to? >> that is the question. i think what is effectively happening now is a stealth tax, a covid tax on people doing the right things. i'm clyde that finally the government seeing sense in the nhs staff will get access to free testing. but what about families that are struggling to pay for the test? one of our people going regularly into care homes to see their parents or grandparents and will want to do the right thing before going in? we have rising bells, we know the cost of living is a big issue, and we have big tax raises coming in april two which will hit families. so on top of this, to add an additional cost, while lecturing the public on personal responsibility when it comes to covid which is laughable given the actions of the prime minister, we have to make sure people can afford to do the right thing. that is why i think it is the wrong decision at the wrong time to take away access to free testing. now >> you have been reading my notes haven't you, because i was going to ask about what happened with the surprise party -- we had the first tranche of finds, 20 separate finds, don't know how many, people but 20 separate fines have been issued. people were breaking the law at the hearts of downing street when the rest of the country were in lockdown. what does that say about the culture of downing street? >> it says the prime minister is a liar, because he told the house of commons repeatedly that there were no parties and no wrongdoing and -- >> that he was aware of. he says he wasn't aware of. >> he was there. that is what i think is so completely until -able about boys johnson's position as prime minister now. you know, i can't think of a single prime minister that has -- walked into the house of commons and deliberately lied. there may be times the prime minister's have been wrong, there maybe have been times where prime ministers might bend the truth, or stretch the truth, and every week a prime minister's question. but they have been guilty of answering different questions to the once asked, these are the ones -- sometimes the truth can be uncomfortable when presented with difficult questions. you have seen that. but, to have a prime minister lie to the country, so the house of commons, to the queen, and still be imposed ice completely unacceptable. >> what should happen if he received a fix penalty? >> well, i think it is the same rule that applies to everyone. his position would also be -- and it is amazing how invisible the chance has been over the party gate allegations. he lives next door. i think he should be really upfront now himself about whether or not he has been involved in any wrongdoing, and up front with the country. i hope that in the case of all government ministers, they will be able to return to a position where we can take them at their word, when they categorically tell us something is not true, we can believe them. but how can we when we have prime minister at the top who has knowingly lied. we have conservative mps who are tolerating this. we have come to a point where i suspect was johnson will lead the conservative party to the next election because stories that made themselves complicit in his lie, and ultimately it is up to the voters to ask and solve the question are you the public honorable and tolerant of a situation where the prime minister can knowingly tell bare face lies to you the british people? and if you are not happy with, us you have an opportunity at the local elections to stand for storms impacting, and you will have an opportunity at the next general elections first and the prime minister packing too. >> and just before i let you go, -- front page of yesterday's telegraph that men who go through scams and hospital are now going to be asked to either they are pregnant? is that appropriate excuse of antitrust funds? >> i don't know about fans, i do think we need a bit of common sense, tolerance, and reasoning in this debate about trans people, and gender identity. and, i think people in clinical settings, the nhs has tried and tested guidelines on how to deal with people respectfully, and when i went in for mike scams last year i did not need to be asked whether i was pregnant, evidently night. if someone is going in who has undergone gender reassignment, or is going through the process of transitioning, maybe presence in a different gender to the sex they were born into, then maybe those questions are appropriate. but we have to take things on a case by case basis. apply some common, sense and in terms of the more general debate about trans rights, inclusion, the tension exist between sex based rights and gender identity which racing play out on our television screens that programs like yours. let's just have a bit more calm and, common sense, decency, and this debate and i must say, speaking for myself, i'm currently pulling my hair out some of the gotcha questions on tv programs and radio programs recently. the extent to which we are kind of tying ourselves up in knots on the wrong sort of issues on this, we have a small but significant number of people in this country who do not feel that they are in the right gender that they are born into the wrong sacks. i can't imagine what that is, like i know from talking to people it is unbearably difficult, and we have to treat those people with respect. there are also a lot of women who want to comes to single sex basis, are worried and afraid and there are cases sometimes where they have good reason to be afraid and there have been some horrific cases we have seen in the media recently where the nhs or impressions, so we have to acknowledge that and address it not try and solicit or stifle it but find a way through and compromised through the way that we have done before and sexual orientation for example equal marriage, we have to compromise that maybe not everybody -- live with it but by listening to reasonable respect for the bay and finding a way through. i think that is the answer on trans rights as well. >> can we are out of time. and -- how are you. hundred >> percent recovered. >> pleased to see you as well. thrilled to see you. thank you for joining. us much appreciated. thank you. quick look at is happening this morning, the paper starting with the telegraph russians give up on conquest of kyiv. it is on the front of the telegraph. as moscow redeploy strips away from the capital siding, efforts to build trust in peace talks the metro described it as russian roulette as the u.s. urges people to be clear eyed about what is happening on the ground. and a quick look at the times for you, the u.s. and britain's -- doubts over the kremlin's intentions. >> kamara, morning, well that was pretty blistering. the labor accusing boys johnson of knowingly lying to the contrary to the house of comments and the queen over party gate. is that throat of questions we are going to get from -- mere starmer midday today and what will the prime's response be because remember of course, he said no one in number 10 broke any of the covid guidance. yesterday the police confirmed that they did by having a fight at 20 people we don't know who they are or who the prime minister is among them, downing street insists that the prime minister did not mislead the house of commons based on his own understanding at the time. so, can that position hold? of course this receiving view with ukraine and the -- tory mps feeling this is not a time to call for change a leader but of course it could suddenly be fear back interview very quickly if the prime minister cannot provide satisfactory answers to some of these questions. >> and we have heard actually from doctor -- this morning deputy prime minister this is where he had to say. >> the pm has already said he takes responsibility, he apologized for the fact that things happened in number 10 that shouldn't have. and, he, more than that he has overhauled the number 10 operation and been asked today, he has what happened to those -- many people have already left and number ten downing street. so, i think you can see from his actions that the front, these inquiries have taken place that we believe in engaging and did embrace the transparency and accountability. >> by -- esther wagner is with us, now how adam, i know that it was an area of expertise for you throughout the pandemic. are we allowed to know who has received these fines? >> a while the police did not tell us, and they fit is because it is a -- not telling the public who is getting fines is -- i think that is fair enough if that is the policy, than it should be applied equally to those in number 10 as to other members of the public. >> okay, but we have heard from the prime minister and also i think from the chancellor and also the cabinet secretary have all said that they will tell us if they have received their fines. so as a result, we are putting two and two together and assuming that they have not at this stage. what is your understanding of tranche is of these affixed penalty notices coming through. why did they just do them altogether? >> well i think it is just become quite a complicated investigation. from what i have read, it seems like they have first looked at the most simple or whether call low-hanging fruits. so, probably, parties which were -- parties where there wasn't a defense or people who just accepted -- get on with her and try to refund what they have done. but since we have the questionnaires, which was a starting point of the investigation. they have now been interviewing key witnesses, which means and i guess people are accused of being at these gatherings. so i guess it has become more complicated and don't forget, there are 12 different gatherings over the course of a year. each one will have its own factors, its own effendi list, so it is quite -- the investigation and going to take some time. >> yes, and once people have received a fine, if expend will, t notice i know doesn't give them a criminal record. i think i'm right in saying that? but they do have an opportunity to appeal it, those days? >> sort of. they have an opportunity not to pay it. but then the police have to decide, whether to bring the prosecution against him which is a lot more serious, being charged with a criminal offense, and potentially convicted by magistrate, or being given a fine which can be larger than the actual fix penalty notice. it is the other outcome, so because of what fix penalty notice is, it is a opportunity to avoid criminal prosecution when the police believe you have committed a criminal offense. so i cannot imagine many, if any people would not be paying their penalties and -- risking going to court. i think they will all probably be paid. >> and how much do they have to pay. because the rules pay change delay during the course of the pandemic? >> yeah, it is complicated because it depends first of all on when the offense took place and at the very beginning of the -- fix penalty notices were 60, pounds but then later and much later increased to something like 200 or perhaps 10,000 if you are organizing a gathering of over 30 people in private dwelling. but the other thing to know is that because the police are doing these 50-pound notices sequentially, so they are going -- to that can potentially trigger the doubling effect that was received one fix penalty notice and you receive another and then another they go up and up. so the final one would be a sixfold. would be 6400 pounds. so when you look at the prime minister who is actually at sixth -- if he had six penalties, one after the other, he could be paying more than 10,000 pounds altogether. >> okay, just be violent, you go i try to get a bit of research on this myself. i couldn't find the answer as a barrister. leading most, or i'm sure you will, now hopefully. is that freedom of information request, does that mean that we could find out who has received these fixed penalties or not? >> i'm -- well, probably not from the middle it -- because it would fall under an exemption under -- it is a different question about whether for example it is senior officials being -- the former cabinet secretary of -- currents have company secretarial from minister himself. there's an argument that there is a public interest in the government itself and revealing -- to receive these facts from her notices because they happened while they were working in number 10 they were in the course of their duties. so it is not like these are private affairs, so i wouldn't be certain that the would it have to reveal the information. both say it may come from other sources, people with discipline for example. you would expect that these are under some sort of service or -- fix penalty notices to i am manchin my guess is that a lot of this will come out at some point where three freedom of information or people saying themselves, or rumors, or something like that. >> okay, and fantastic stuff, fascinating as well. i'm sure that we will find out more when the fullness of time. before now, thank. you >> thank. you >> still you have a statement memorial strategic place later on this morning out melbourne cricket down for the australia cricketing legend shane warne who died earlier this month at the age of just 52. >> [noise] >> didn't see that coming, did he. in cricket shane warne was best known for that delivery against england, that is mike gutting and the first ashes test in 1993. now known as the ball of the century. well here is shane warne reflecting on his retirement and his home ground in melbourne where the memorial is taking place. >> we all decided to retire at the same test match. it was a pretty special in melbourne city couldn't have gone any better. for me, that melbourne, day one in melbourne was probably as far as test matches, go in days go for me, that was just about as good as it got. it is my backyard, the fcc. >> i think for a lot of us, especially our family, it is a great honor to have -- he has got a lot of great things, here so -- he has made a lot of victorians, melburnians, and australians proud. really proud to see what we have seen throughout the world. -- really good feel well. >> nicole is standing by for us in melbourne this morning. hi, nicole. we know that many thousands of tickets have been made available for fans. >> that is right, more than 50,000 people are expected to come. you can see that the crowds are still straining behind me, thousands of people are to to get underway in around 30 minutes from now. people in melbourne will be farewell and celebrating the life of shane warne. somebody they regard as a son of the city. a suburban boy who made good -- orders as a football player, but boy did he succeed as a cricket player. he is renowned for putting back the art of law expense, spin bowling, at a time when it had really been relegated to the history books. you can see the statue of shane warne their behind me. people have been paying their respects, leaving flowers, and just below that statue there are bottles of beer, venture my, shane warren was known to enjoy a drink and cigarette. he was also known for having -- a spirit he had a share of problems and troubles over the years of course. but tonight, people will be celebrating how successful he was. and, it is a star studded cast here in melbourne tonight. there will be musical tributes from the likes of elton john, ed sheeran, chris martin, robbie williams. the organizers are still keeping the actual order of events quite under wraps, but we know there will also be hearing from his family and many other worldwide celebrities. >> and, nicole, we will come back to you later for that. thanks very much indeed. of course we will be bringing you the service, the memorial service for shane warne later on in the program. then at 9:00 hour actually here on sky news on the breakfast show. in the meantime, each of swallow social says its players were racially abused and the team bus was attacked us they lost out on a place at the world cup to senegal. fans shun lasers in the eyes of -- in the penalty shootout after a nil nil draw. excuse me with his miss popping senegal through to the finals. solace and field teammates -- scored the winning kick to send the west african nation to its third world cup. but, what on earth was going on with those green lasers? ali is here, my goodness. >>, so there is some pretty serious accusations from the egyptian football association. these pictures they are posted online of the bus that was vandalized, and most significantly as you say, these lasers. so this was under the -- credit have been higher, it was world cup qualifying match, egypt was the senegal. a great rivalry they were equal 11 after the game and most -- goes up to penalty and there you go. >> you literally can't see. >> you can see the green lasered in his eyes. those were there from the senegalese fans. he misses the goal >> he makes that. well very farting. >> could have been worse, but they lost on penalties. 31. it was his live report teammates -- that scored the winning goal. but we know there has been issues around little before, you will remember last year the euro semifinal which was england versus denmark and the letters that were shown in the eyes of the goalkeeper, that was a big moment. the faa here will find 25,000 pines. so i think this is going to really shine a light on the issues in football, but i think it really doesn't take away from a good win for senegal and they will be in the world cup. >> yeah. >> -- more that a bit. >> indeed, for now, ali, thanks so much indeed. i know you will update us further in the next hour. thank. you in the meantime, let's take you about the baftas. the tv by stars. nominations for this year's awards have just been announced. skies original theory landscape starring and the fantastic olivia coleman and david phillips has been nominated in seven separate categories. >> who says? -- oh mommy. make them do something. i don't want to die. >> and that is channel 4, it is a sin, about a group of friends growing up in the shadow of hiv and a.i.d.s., leading the pack with 11 nominations. and sky news has also been nominated in the news coverage category for our special program afghanistan and game, shown last year in july which look at the withdrawal of troops from the region. stewart ramsey there -- in around how fast and we will speak to stuart ramsay our correspondent and his team for the first time following their narrow escape from gunfire near the ukrainian capital kyiv, and they came under fire from russian snipers. they managed to get out of the vehicle, and were saved by the engine block and, still filed the report within just a few hours. we will talk to stuart ramsay about what happened. that will be in the 9:00. in the meantime, the former prime minister -- to the government to restore the 20 -- universal credit raised benefits in line with inflation the spring. as families battled the cost of living crisis, pleased to say that -- hello to mr. brown. thank you for joining us on the program this morning. you are shouting in the, win because the government is not going to take any notice. >> well,, look i'm standing in the cold actually. it has been a cold night, and it's going to be cold weekend. and people are afraid to turn up their heating, because of the heating bells. we are really dealing with real life situations where people are having to choose between the food thereby, and the hidden costs they have to face. we have to do something about it. you cannot leave millions of children, perhaps 5 million children in this country in poverty. going to school, sometimes ill card, and sometimes hungry, and something has to be done. i think the -- forgot last week about that group of people in our society who simply cannot afford the bills, they're having to be at the moment. he is going to have to take urgent action to do something about. it i want to see the faith groups, the churches, the foundations, charities, mayors, local authorities, all coming together to sit in the government, look, we have to do something about the condition that millions of children and particularly families, but also some pensioners are facing as a result of this escalating rise in heating bills. from friday this week. >> when you are running for reelection back in 2010, you're telling sister alistair -- said you would make cuts encroaching that were deeper and tougher the magic rate that is in the 19 80s. isn't that with the government is having to do now? there are going to have to make those cuts because of the amount of money that the pandemic has cost us as a nation? >> no. no. we had a -- winter feel payment for pensioners, we had child tax credits, we were continuing to give families in need about 80 or 90 pounds a week extra to pay their bills. we were not cutting back on the benefits available to people, or the child benefits. child benefits have gone down by 20% since 2010. the value of all benefits falling as a result of inflation rising. we are dealing with a completely different situation here. when the government is cutting benefits, at a time when the need is greatest, and while we introduce a winter feel payment for pensioners, you are going to have to do something about families generally in this country. who simply, as i say, we help with the local charity i'm involved and we have about 400 families if you weeks ago and put 50 pounds on their prepaid gas and electricity meter. but we can only do so much. we have a warehouse in -- five where we are collecting things from amazon and other folks who are helping us give goods that can go to families that or poverty at that is all furnishings but -- toiletries and this also of course going to be food as well. we are working with all the food banks but even all the goodwill in the world, and all the charity, and all the voluntary organizations are doing can't bridge that cap, which only the government can do between the needs of people have, and the income that they are receiving. you cannot raise benefits were only 3% when inflation is 8%. food inflation is 10%, hitting inflation is 50%. you have to deal with the situation here and now. this is an absolute crisis and the living standards and we are going to have the highest level of poverty amongst children that we have seen for 50 years. worse than in the 1980s when it was mass unemployment that caused -- now it is low pay and low income families are receiving. >> but looking at the statistics, and, under laboring 2010, the percentage of people in the uk in absolute poverty after housing costs, was just over 20%. it is 18% at the moment. so you can extrapolate from that that the people were worse off under the local government? >> no, you are completely wrong. because child poverty went down one and a half million under our labor government, it is now gone up to 3 million, 4 million, it is going up to 5 million under the conservatives. i keep saying to you that child poverty is worse than it was in the 1980s. it is going to go up from 4.3 million this year, to 4.8 million during the course of this year. and then it is going to go beyond 5 million. the reason is obvious. we have cut the value of child benefits by 20%, in the last ten years, we have had benefit cuts in seven of the last ten years. you cannot keep taking this money away from families, and then giving them a huge heating bill rises, and then expecting them to pay for the food shop which is going up in cost and milk and bread are growing up as well. unexpectedly will to be able to fend for themselves. poverty is far worse now than it was in 2010. i can tell you from my own experience,that. >> there -- are the ones you have of course previously -- prime minister and who famously once said there are two types of chancellor. those who fail, and those who get out in time. do you think -- missed the boat? >> i think, look i praised that we needed to follow up scheme, and i wanted to be able to support everything we are doing, where we have a national crisis. but you cannot support the lack of compassion and the lack of understanding about what is happening to people in their realize. you know, we have mothers in the fight where i am who cannot afford a quicker, and then they can never give their children hot food. i had a family who the cottage my family sent -- was working with with your children or working with under one sheet. they didn't have a bed, and they don't even have blanket or duvets. we are appealing today for companies who can give us duvets,, blankets and help with that sort of heating equipment that would allow people to protect themselves against continuing cold nights. by the time we get to get to some timber and face another winter, with heating bills going up again, the crisis will be even deeper. i have no compassionate chancellor can fail to understand what is going on in the despair that exist in the communities that they just don't visit, and the desolation in the face of that quite frankly, they never see. >> do you ever thought on the police fines for events taking place in downing street turning the pandemic and the fact that 25 have so far been issued and we are led to believe with more to come, and what that says about the culture in downing street at the time? >> look, i have a thought about this, when people are suffering, when during the pandemic people were not able to be at funerals of relatives, and in my case and other cases, when people were making huge sacrifices, we had parties going on in downing street. i think there was even a party last night. when we have to understand is, the government has a responsibility to all the people of the country, and if they ask people to do things, they have to be prepared to do things themselves and takes a moral lead. of course that is what has been missing in the last months. >> talk to me about the -- report if not got it yeah and what we do know is that several hundred babies have died that should not have died, because they were in cared for properly and they were not listened to after their babies died or suffered from brain damage. i know that it is a subject that is very close to your heart, so i am aware of the sensitivity, but i wanted to know if you had a thought for the scranton other would-be parents, new parents who are about to go in hospitals to have their babies? >> well no family recovered from the loss of a child. it leaves you grieving for the whole of your life. it is very difficult to come to terms with that. if there had been mistakes, and if people have failed to listen to families after the deaths of occurred, and that is something that has to be remedied quickly. there's going to have to be new, rules new standards, and i haven't seen this report is going to see that report. so will everybody else. what we know is that people are at the most vulnerable when they have a child that they have longed for, and then dies within a few days. it is something that no family should have to bear. >> no, and of course as we know, you and thorough dealt with that with dignity and respect and -- i appreciate you taking the opportunity to talk to us about that amongst other things this morning. i will let you get in from the cold. thank you for joining us this morning, mr. brown. >> thank you. >> new research suggest more than a third of parents avoid speaking to their children about disability and illness having become a new mother and paralympian after those -- in the 77 bombings, our next guest hopes to and the strength through her new book. the paralympian and author -- of new dan martin right is with us now, hi, martin. >> good evening care how are you >> i'm great, how are you? >> ray. yes, so very excited. -- yes, as you just mentioned, about 90% of parents between the ages of 5 to 8 believe that it is really important doctor the children regarding disability and illness. but unfortunately, only a third of those parents feel like it is -- well, a third of them find it uncomfortable to obviously bring up those subjects. so this goes -- down in bed is a resource trying -- to really get them to understand a life, really. and, if a parent is catastrophically injured, what happens after that. >> yeah, and that is exactly what happened to you. 14 million people i believe in the uk have some form of disability, and yet we don't want to talk about. why not? >> it is -- i mean, i can see both sides. you know, i, i have spent 37 years not being -- disabled are now being assembled it is sometimes is the elephant in the room. and also, why would you want to sit around here five or eight year old who you know, they highlight of their day is having their i scream about you know, someone losing their legs as a result of something awful that has happened. but obviously, -- society and yet another stan is over 50% of these children who experience their -- main kara having a really bad injury or illness over 50% suffer from mental health issues. whether it is ptsd, whether it is anxiety, because these children they are -- their life like my family, their life is thrown into a world of nightmares. and everything they know is normal, changes. and i think this is why it is a brilliant book. it is very age-appropriate book for 5 to 8-year-olds. hands, why -- school in can't where i'm going to be talking about my book to 5 to 8-year-olds. >> i'm going to let you get on and do that then, martin, but it is good to talk to you and tell us more about the book. thank you. >> lovely, kate, thank, you have a good, smile have a good day. >> thank you, have have a good day, by. another is, just let me have a, look an hour to go to our report into the feelings of a hospital trust where hundreds of babies died or were left brained amethyst published. among, them hoping to get answers this morning is the reverend charlotte treasure whose son has been left with multiple health problems are the result of what happened in she was very. hi, charlotte, thank you for joining us. what do you hope from today? >> i very much hope for answers to what happened both for my own family, and for the other families involved. and i very much hope for accountability in the sense that as we understand, it is issues have been going on in shrubbery and till ford trust for years. and they have been either covered up or -- not brought to attention and very hope that what comes out to the report this morning is that answers and accountability and ultimately that no other family as to go through what i and what's the other families have gone through. >> only from as much as you want to. can you tell us a little bit about what happened to you? >> sure, so, i had a full-time pregnancy and birth. my son was one at 39 weeks five. so in principle, everything should have been okay. the problem was, my water broke 35 hours before he was actually delivered. and, during the next 12 hours or so, the staff i believe, did not pick up on the many signs that adam had become infected with -- meningitis. ultimately, the day after his birth, he was taken to neonatal intensive care was his entire body shut down. he stopped breathing, is blue, he started constant seizures, it was ultimately put into an induced coma and on life support. nobody believed he would left. to make a long story slightly shorter, he did survive, he is in the next room next to me, and what he was finally released from hospital about 23 days after his birth, the staff were than describing him as the miracle baby because he had survived, whatever point in time we were grateful to the hospital because we thought, oh, you have saved our life, or his life. but, wet then followed were multiple, multiple diagnoses of various disabilities, it started with hearing impairment, then visual impairment, and then asthma, and then autism, and then learning delays. it was a three-year period of just getting one diagnoses after another. we were just in survival mode. and finally, we started asking questions and saying, hang on a second, maybe they did it save his life, but did he need to get that -- in the first place and that began our journey to what eventually became the arlington review. realizing that we were not alone. it was not our fault. it was not just a fluke. there were things that could, and i believe should have been done differently. >> how is he? now >> adam is 11 years old now. developmentally is approximately h 3 to 4. so he goes to a special need school for very complex children, as i say all of those diagnoses are still in place so is that immensely complicated. he requires 24/7 supervision, the odds of him ever living independently are virtually nil. it has changed our lives forever. when he is happy, is gorgeous and lovely, and he is my baby, and i adore him. but, i can't help but looking at him and thinking it did not have to be this way. >> when did you realize what happened to him, and then you got a diagnosis, after a diagnosis, and a diagnosis, and then you realize that the hospital was not being completely honest with you, but then you are stonewalled when you tried to find out more information. i can begin to imagine the level of frustration that you must have felt, was it that kept you going on to try and get to the truth, and for somebody to be held accountable for what happened to little boy? >> show determination. we ultimately, as -- best of my knowledge nobody of no investigation has ever done, or if there was an investigation that was one of those internal ones that did not involve us in any way. to have a healthy for term pregnancy and up with a child in that state, or no investigation happens, it is just extraordinary. and, trying to find answers through the years, the hospital have repeatedly denied liability, they continued to insist that they are not liable for the -- i would believe avoidable injuries that happened to adam, unfortunately that means that we will be going to court to test that. it has been years of family like mine being described as historic cases, or legacy cases. as the that was all in the past, it doesn't matter, because what happens now is okay. but sadly, we know that what happened for years afterwards was not, and it isn't okay. and that is where ogden should be bringing out this morning. >> we are out of time, but i did just want to ask you finally, charlotte, how did the belief in your god help you during this process? >> ultimately, i believe that the events that have been through our obviously horrendous, but obviously my faith has, even though i have been plenty on by my fingernails at certain times, it just leaves me feeling that i'm not alone in the midst of these really really difficult situations, and it gives me strength. >> okay, well, we will find out in the next hour wet the report says charlotte. i hope the baby is as well as can be expected, and that you have a peaceful day ahead. thank you. >> thank you. >> so we are expecting the arguing then report into the death of so many babies, some of those we heard are expecting -- much in shoes worry we'll have the latest on that and also joining me here in the studio will be our chief correspondent stewart ramsey. stewart was in that vehicle that was shot up by snipers, russian snipers along with the rest of his steam. and they lived to tell the tale just -- had bullet wounds as some of those on the team as well. they did survive, after a period of recovery, stewart will be with us in just a few moments time to tell us about exactly what it was like. do stay tuned for more. you are here on sky.